Bleeding from the Bunghole

[Tony Parsehole]

Took a while to work out how to put her behind an obstacle, but I finally got it. Be kind. :)

zvan-conan-leno.jpg

FUCK.
ME.
Is that Jay Leno on the right? Look at his fucking chin and nose! He looks like the moon in it's crescent form.

[Ape+lust]

Gratuitous writing here, as apparently this message contains too few characters - despite the fact that it isn't just Zvan in the pic.

Whoa, very meta. Wait... did she... Catherine Keener... IIIIICK!

[JAB]

Took a while to work out how to put her behind an obstacle, but I finally got it. Be kind. :)

zvan-conan-leno.jpg

Poor Conan, never saw the dump truck that hit him :lol:

[youtube]W4SBW5MOEpg[/youtube]

[Tony Parsehole]

I love this!

Nerd shows his true side. I bet that fucker beats the shit out of his wife if his potatoes are underdone.

http://i.imgur.com/0BY7Ak3.png

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ent-711229

He's a very, very dark soul and his running commentary on Pharyngula shines a light on his true character. I wouldn't be surprised if "The Redhead" was a hitchhiker he abducted in the 1970's.

[ConcentratedH2O, OM]

I love this!

Nerd shows his true side. I bet that fucker beats the shit out of his wife if his potatoes are underdone.

http://i.imgur.com/0BY7Ak3.png

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ent-711229

He's a very, very dark soul and his running commentary on Pharyngula shines a light on his true character. I wouldn't be surprised if "The Redhead" was a hitchhiker he abducted in the 1970's.

:lol: :lol:

[Ape+lust]

Those Zvan faces on Grand Funk Railroad = so wrong! :lol:

http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p60 ... 5b7a52.png

As wrong as polluting Rick Griffin with Zvan :lol:

I'll bet the messages are flying at FtB right now: "The Pitters have completely lost their shit!"

[DeepInsideYourMind]

zvanny.jpg

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[ConcentratedH2O, OM]

http://i.imgur.com/DRxXt0b.jpg

[Apples]

Amazing story from Mother Jones reporter Stephanie Mencimer about Jamie Leigh Jones. She takes responsibility for doing some credulous reporting on the case before really digging into it herself. Justicar appears in the comments.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/magazi ... p?page=all

Picked it up from today's "On the Media" on NPR:

http://www.onthemedia.org/story/re-eval ... narrative/

[Ape+lust]

He's a very, very dark soul and his running commentary on Pharyngula shines a light on his true character. I wouldn't be surprised if "The Redhead" was a hitchhiker he abducted in the 1970's.

:shock: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Jan Steen]

I love this!

Nerd shows his true side. I bet that fucker beats the shit out of his wife if his potatoes are underdone.

http://i.imgur.com/0BY7Ak3.png

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ent-711229

http://i.imgur.com/hUfZn0v.jpg

[Lsuoma]

I love this!

Nerd shows his true side. I bet that fucker beats the shit out of his wife if his potatoes are underdone.

http://i.imgur.com/0BY7Ak3.png

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ent-711229

http://i.imgur.com/hUfZn0v.jpg

FUCKING BIG LOLS EMANATING FROM REDMOND RIGHT NOW!!!!

[Really?]

I love this!

Nerd shows his true side. I bet that fucker beats the shit out of his wife if his potatoes are underdone.

http://i.imgur.com/0BY7Ak3.png

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ent-711229

I think we're all being insensitive. Traffic is one of the many things that can cause PTSD, like looking at your Twitter feed, reading facts that contradict your opinions and allowing comments on your YouTube videos and pooped-out "articles" for the blogs of national magazines.

[Service Dog]

http://i.imgur.com/0BY7Ak3.png

He's a very, very dark soul and his running commentary on Pharyngula shines a light on his true character. I wouldn't be surprised if "The Redhead" was a hitchhiker he abducted in the 1970's.

http://i.imgur.com/LebUk1B.jpg

[Trophy]

I don't understand PZ's disdain for the chart's basic conclusion: that our society values women for being young and pretty, and doesn't hold men to the same standard-- allowing old, ugly men to buy desirability with money and power; thus women face a social "expiration date". How is that different from PZ's feminist beliefs?

Because sometimes while you can have a basic premise that's very correct, your exposition and reasoning could be hilariously wrong, as it was the case with the lad PZ was mocking mercilessly.

PZ also cites individual opinions as contrary to the chart. PZ seems to think that, if one man considers Scarlett Johannson unattractive, that single data-point invalidates the chart's finding that most men consider her attractive.

Okay, if PZ get's something right, he has to get the next thing very very wrong.

I understand that the methodology used to construct the SMV chart may be specious. But it seems to me that PZ's stated objections to the methodology would also apply to vast swaths of social sciences.

First of all, that doesn't make the argument correct. Second of all, no, it can''t be applied. At this particular instance, PZ was right. The methodology was hilarious. Seriously, the weight the guy assigns to age is a factor of ten larger than 90% of other weights he considers in his survey. Of course, the result is going to confirm his hypothesis. It's so ridiculous and lolzy that if his comments were open I would be trolling there.

PZ also complains that the vertical axis on the SMV chart, is "dimensionless", arbitrarily broken into 10 units. How is that different from the 5 unit color scale on the rape map. Why 5? How were the cut-off points between the colors determined?

Dimensionless is not equivalent to "arbitrary cut off points". I've not looked at Arora's map in detail but if it's not based on statistics such as "rape per capita" then it's also bullshit and I'll be very surprised and disappointed in Aronra if that was the case. Nonetheless, that is very different than some dude assigning some random numerical value to highly subjective traits.

[Trophy]

We all knew it but finally PZ decided to admit it as well.

On economic issues, atheists as a whole ought to be behind reducing the rich-poor divide — it’s the only rational position to take ...

Atheism is ultimately going to have to be a progressive political force, fighting for inclusion, evidence-based policy, humanist values, and the goal of expanding knowledge and power for all. We’re hampered right now by a rather reluctant leadership that tends to focus on pettier issues in the name of unity.

You were one of those "leaders" PZ. Until you blew it up with the kind of stupid reasoning shown in this blog post of yours. You don't get to complain.

[ConcentratedH2O, OM]

I love this!

Nerd shows his true side. I bet that fucker beats the shit out of his wife if his potatoes are underdone.



http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ent-711229

http://i.imgur.com/hUfZn0v.jpg

AMAZING! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Apples]

Lol: http://www.buzzfeed.com/tomphillips/the ... itterstorm

Spot on.

[James Caruthers]

We all knew it but finally PZ decided to admit it as well.

On economic issues, atheists as a whole ought to be behind reducing the rich-poor divide — it’s the only rational position to take ...

Atheism is ultimately going to have to be a progressive political force, fighting for inclusion, evidence-based policy, humanist values, and the goal of expanding knowledge and power for all. We’re hampered right now by a rather reluctant leadership that tends to focus on pettier issues in the name of unity.

You were one of those "leaders" PZ. Until you blew it up with the kind of stupid reasoning shown in this blog post of yours. You don't get to complain.

He's only half a step from recognizing how unpopular and hated he and his fans are by the larger atheist community, and responding by saying something like "we need a Big Tent approach here in atheism." Despite Carrier, Zvan, PZ and everyone else deliberately reacting against the "big tenters" in atheism with their "don't you call yourself my ally, you fascist fuck!"

In other words, all of PZs political and ideological positions are motivated entirely by self-interest. PZ doesn't seem to understand that he's a poisonous little turd, and so any movement he joins is going to end up focusing on petty bullshit as long as PZ is given a podium to spew from.

Although really, I've noticed the focus on petty non-issues is common in any area that SJW feminism has infected. Student union tries to fight to freeze tuition and give university staff a living wage -> SJW feminists show up -> tell union leaders the union needs to focus on teaching men not to rape. :doh:

And now I sit back and wait for someone to quote me and say I'm claiming rape is a trivial non-issue. Go on, I dare you, I double dare you muthafucka!

[Suet Cardigan]

Although really, I've noticed the focus on petty non-issues is common in any area that SJW feminism has infected. Student union tries to fight to freeze tuition and give university staff a living wage -> SJW feminists show up -> tell union leaders the union needs to focus on teaching men not to rape.

In the UK student unions are campaigning against the evil of lads mags. Good to see them getting their priorities right - there couldn't possibly be more important issues to tackle, could there?

[James Caruthers]

http://i.imgur.com/NZbTr6i.png

This is why I find almost everything SJW feminists say impossible to believe. Feminism today has a strong link with post-modernism. Most feminists I meet who are radical will outright tell me this, and that they believe there is no "truth" and anyone's truth is as good as anyone else's.

I don't know how someone could claim to be a skeptic and a post-modernist, the basic idea of skepticism is that there are some kinds of truth that are more accurate than others, and we can find out what those are.

I think a lot of people don't realize how starkly post-modernism opposes the working ideologies used by science to create all the cool shit we have. It pisses me off when brainless professors talk a load of post-modernist shit while using a digital projector in a classroom full of people who got there by driving or taking the bus. Puts me in mind of the old video DPRJones made about VenomFangx, where he pointed out all of the scientific tools that Venom uses every day, which are a by-product of applying scientific methods and ideology to the natural world.

The products of methodological naturalism are all of this cool shit. The products of post-modernism are people who talk a bunch of useless shit. The best I can say of post-modernism is that sometimes it encourages credulous people to be more skeptical of information they receive, even if the underlying ideology is obnoxious.

If you want a laugh, go look up "post-processual" archeology. PoMo infected archeology. :lol:

[justinvacula]

I'll be live on National Progressive Talk Radio in 30 minutes! Tune in, consider calling, and join the chat which should soon be available.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/national-p ... sm-nptr-50

[Stunt Whisper]

Where can I find the original Zvan image?

I had a little time and I was inspired. Sorry for shitty skills.
http://i.imgur.com/7PC2p3I.jpg

[Bourne Skeptic]

I'll be live on National Progressive Talk Radio in 30 minutes! Tune in, consider calling, and join the chat which should soon be available.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/national-p ... sm-nptr-50

I'll be here live in between periods of the hockey game, then I'm going to grab a bite to eat and go read a book in bed.

My night sounds like more fun than yours.

[DeepInsideYourMind]

We all knew it but finally PZ decided to admit it as well.

On economic issues, atheists as a whole ought to be behind reducing the rich-poor divide — it’s the only rational position to take ...

Ummmm .... nope, reducing the rich-poor divide is not the only rational position to take.

If you are poor, or especially altruistic, or thoroughly selfless, or are trying to get favour with others (see: The Selfish Gene) ... then maybe it is

If you are rich, or selfish, or want to protect the standard of life you and your family holds, or think that people who don't work hard shouldn't be rewarded, then no it is fairly unreasonable

WTF does "lack of belief in gods" have to do with economic policy?


p.s. in reality *most* people in western society actually don't give a fuck about rich/poor other than lip-service, nor do they *really* care about climate change ... these things are too large and abstract to affect our daily lives. When you give away all but a basic living allowance of your income, and destroy all your televisions, computers, dishwashers, cars and heating/AC ... then we can talk about how deeply you care. Reality sucks, but we are pretty much all hypocrites

[Cliché Guevara]

Peezus said this today:

If we are going to claim to have positions based on reason and the intelligent interpretation of the evidence, then the climate change denialists, the sexists, the racists, the narcissistic worshippers of the Holy Market…they cannot be regarded as representative. The ones who think the solution to Islamic theocracy is to bomb Muslim countries or deport brown people should be considered as lunatic and beyond the pale as atheists who advocate nuking the Vatican or ostracizing Catholics.

I guess he was talking about this unhinged asshole:

Jebus, what blithering tripe, what pious inanities. This is only the latest atrocity. Fuck the Catholic church. Empty every pew, loot every coffer, disband every level of the hierarchy, take all their property and turn it over to secular authorities to be managed ethically and rationally.

And if you’re still attending church…what the hell is wrong with you?

[ConcentratedH2O, OM]

Peezus said this today:

If we are going to claim to have positions based on reason and the intelligent interpretation of the evidence, then the climate change denialists, the sexists, the racists, the narcissistic worshippers of the Holy Market…they cannot be regarded as representative. The ones who think the solution to Islamic theocracy is to bomb Muslim countries or deport brown people should be considered as lunatic and beyond the pale as atheists who advocate nuking the Vatican or ostracizing Catholics.

I guess he was talking about this unhinged asshole:

Jebus, what blithering tripe, what pious inanities. This is only the latest atrocity. Fuck the Catholic church. Empty every pew, loot every coffer, disband every level of the hierarchy, take all their property and turn it over to secular authorities to be managed ethically and rationally.

And if you’re still attending church…what the hell is wrong with you?

Nice one.

[Badger3k]

Mythbusting Service Dog, that was very excellent indeed. Thank you :)

Still catching up on the weekend traffic, but I agree. Excellent work and very informative.

[Sarlug]

We all knew it but finally PZ decided to admit it as well.

On economic issues, atheists as a whole ought to be behind reducing the rich-poor divide — it’s the only rational position to take ...

Atheism is ultimately going to have to be a progressive political force, fighting for inclusion, evidence-based policy, humanist values, and the goal of expanding knowledge and power for all. We’re hampered right now by a rather reluctant leadership that tends to focus on pettier issues in the name of unity.

You were one of those "leaders" PZ. Until you blew it up with the kind of stupid reasoning shown in this blog post of yours. You don't get to complain.

He's only half a step from recognizing how unpopular and hated he and his fans are by the larger atheist community, and responding by saying something like "we need a Big Tent approach here in atheism." Despite Carrier, Zvan, PZ and everyone else deliberately reacting against the "big tenters" in atheism with their "don't you call yourself my ally, you fascist fuck!"

In other words, all of PZs political and ideological positions are motivated entirely by self-interest. PZ doesn't seem to understand that he's a poisonous little turd, and so any movement he joins is going to end up focusing on petty bullshit as long as PZ is given a podium to spew from.

Although really, I've noticed the focus on petty non-issues is common in any area that SJW feminism has infected. Student union tries to fight to freeze tuition and give university staff a living wage -> SJW feminists show up -> tell union leaders the union needs to focus on teaching men not to rape. :doh:

And now I sit back and wait for someone to quote me and say I'm claiming rape is a trivial non-issue. Go on, I dare you, I double dare you muthafucka!

Wasn't that what happened with the Occupy movement? People were protesting against corruption on Wall Street, and SJW morons came in and shat it up with Progressive Stacks and whining about Smashing Patriarchy and other nonsense?

[justinvacula]

[youtube]F0cn5iAQjbY[/youtube]

[Aneris]

Richard Dawkins delievers as usual. Anyway worth posting, but there is a small nugget on the atheist community and … sexism.

Skip to 32:00 …

[youtube]EWGAg9iGPLQ[/youtube]

[Skep tickle]

LOL at the juxtaposition of those last 2 videos.

Bit o' update on Skepticon 6:

1) Earlier this month Skepticon 6 organizers announced that they'd met 2 challenge grants, received $2.3K in donations thus will get additional $2K in matching grants. :)
http://skepticon.org/matching-challenge-update

2) Unfortunately, Camp Quest has been cancelled for the conference, as there was only 1 kid registered for it. :(
http://skepticon.org/camp-quest-cancell ... kepticon-6

3) Earlier this month, the Atheism+ didn't have anyone requesting a grant to Skepticon 6. Then someone ("EEB") who hadn't posted at Atheism+ forum in 14 months started another thread 11 days ago saying she was bound & determined to go to Skepticon 6 but couldn't afford lodging, was there a list of people willing to share? But she hasn't posted again. It was announced 2 days later that the fundraiser had garnered $623 all told (after indiegogo fees), and Grimalkin has been trying to give it to EEB, but apparently has not heard back. Plan is to donate funds to Skepticon if the plan to give it to EEB doesn't work out soon.
Skepticon fundraiser thread, from where Andy noticed EEB's thread: http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic ... =50#p95473

[Liesmith]

Richard Dawkins delievers as usual. Anyway worth posting, but there is a small nugget on the atheist community and … sexism.

Skip to 32:00 …

[youtube]EWGAg9iGPLQ[/youtube]

Sexism: solved.

[Brive1987]

PZ

"We can have a broad tent, but that does not include supporting ideas that conflict with reality".

Oops

"We can have a broad tent, but that does not include supporting ideas that conflict with my reality".

Better now.

[bovarchist]

Isn't it kinda sexist to keep the broads in a separate tent?

[Polterguest]

Yemisi is not only the author of hilariously atrocious ‘poetry’, she is also a dogmatic Social Justice Warrior. One of the SJW dogmas is that People of Colour (PoC) cannot be racist and that women cannot be sexist (this sounds like two dogmas but it’s really only one).

Racism just like sexism is prejudice + Power which make it impossible for a race or gender to perpetrate against their race or gender. Contrary to what the female commenter said above, women cannot be sexist towards men or other women. Yes, women can be hostile or practice learned sexism towards other women, just like the ignorant couple I mentioned in my status update perpetrated discrimination against their own race but this cannot qualify as sexism or racism against their kind.

However, Yemisi goes on to say:

Racism cannot be a substituted word for prejudice, unfair treatment or discrimination. Same goes for sexism. Institutionalized Racism, Systemic Racism, and Institutional/Systemic Sexism all have something in common and that is prejudice, privilege + power.

The silly thing is that even if it was 'prejudice + power' - it still wouldn't follow that because there isn't much power that therefore there's no racism. Suppose prejudice has an arbitrary value of 10. Let power be 0. Prejudice + power = 10. A non-zero amount of racism. So even if 'privilege + power' was right, it wouldn't mean that the oppressed can't be racist.

[Cunt of Personality]

The silly thing is that even if it was 'prejudice + power' - it still wouldn't follow that because there isn't much power that therefore there's no racism. Suppose prejudice has an arbitrary value of 10. Let power be 0. Prejudice + power = 10. A non-zero amount of racism. So even if 'privilege + power' was right, it wouldn't mean that the oppressed can't be racist.

Tune in next week to Social Justice Math TV when we'll be using some crayons to graph the Nth roots of Patriarchy.

[Bhurzum]

The latest Justicar video.

[youtube]UfYt-c2O_IE[/youtube]

[Jan Steen]

Yemisi is not only the author of hilariously atrocious ‘poetry’, she is also a dogmatic Social Justice Warrior. One of the SJW dogmas is that People of Colour (PoC) cannot be racist and that women cannot be sexist (this sounds like two dogmas but it’s really only one).

Racism just like sexism is prejudice + Power which make it impossible for a race or gender to perpetrate against their race or gender. Contrary to what the female commenter said above, women cannot be sexist towards men or other women. Yes, women can be hostile or practice learned sexism towards other women, just like the ignorant couple I mentioned in my status update perpetrated discrimination against their own race but this cannot qualify as sexism or racism against their kind.

However, Yemisi goes on to say:

Racism cannot be a substituted word for prejudice, unfair treatment or discrimination. Same goes for sexism. Institutionalized Racism, Systemic Racism, and Institutional/Systemic Sexism all have something in common and that is prejudice, privilege + power.

The silly thing is that even if it was 'prejudice + power' - it still wouldn't follow that because there isn't much power that therefore there's no racism. Suppose prejudice has an arbitrary value of 10. Let power be 0. Prejudice + power = 10. A non-zero amount of racism. So even if 'privilege + power' was right, it wouldn't mean that the oppressed can't be racist.

When SJ warriors write about 'Prejudice + power' the plus-sign is not to be taken literally. They mean that in their view racism is a two dimensional quantity. In the absence of power there can be no racism, no matter how insane the level of prejudice. They're playing a semantics game.

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

This latest (hahaha, Pit joke) Justicar video nailed the lid on the coffin as far as my opinion about Aron's views on feminism go. Loads of bullshit, really.

[Gefan]

Peezus said this today:

If we are going to claim to have positions based on reason and the intelligent interpretation of the evidence, then the climate change denialists, the sexists, the racists, the narcissistic worshippers of the Holy Market…they cannot be regarded as representative. The ones who think the solution to Islamic theocracy is to bomb Muslim countries or deport brown people should be considered as lunatic and beyond the pale as atheists who advocate nuking the Vatican or ostracizing Catholics.

I guess he was talking about this unhinged asshole:

Jebus, what blithering tripe, what pious inanities. This is only the latest atrocity. Fuck the Catholic church. Empty every pew, loot every coffer, disband every level of the hierarchy, take all their property and turn it over to secular authorities to be managed ethically and rationally.

And if you’re still attending church…what the hell is wrong with you?

It's almost as if he's too fucking dumb to realize that a majority of Catholics are "brown people" too.

http://www.prb.org/Publications/Article ... olics.aspx

[James Caruthers]

The main thing that Justicar video really demonstrates is Aron is a fucking moron when it comes to feminism.

Hey, we're all ignorant and stupid on some issue. But I mean, damn, those audio clips make him sound like a fundamentalist preacher riling up his flock. Arguing dictionary definitions of "feminism" to make it look like anyone who disagrees with feminism for any reason is by definition a sexist. Meanwhile he gets pissed off when creationists argue that evolution is "just a theory" and therefore creationism is by definition "just an alternate theory."

Fucking irony, how does it work?

[Service Dog]

She's a real left-winger, cause she been down south and held babies in her arms. She said, "I could tell you stories that could make you cry. What about you?"

I said, "Me too. I could tell you a story that would make you cry."

And she sighed, "Ahh."

I said, "I want to be a singer like Lou Reed."

"I like Lou Reed," she said, sticking her tongue in my ear, "Let's go, let's sit, let's talk. Politics goes so good with beer. And while we're at it, baby, why don't you tell me one of your biggest fears?"

I said, "Losing my penis to a whore with disease." "Just kidding," I said, "losing my life to a whore with disease."

She said, "Excuse me, please?"

I said, "Losing my life to a whore with disease." I said, "Please."

Well, I'm a humble guy with healthy desire. Don't give me no shit because. I've been tired.
[youtube]6ve9P3AMbaA[/youtube]

A while back I posted a link to Camile Paglia dissing Judith Butler. When they were growing-up, Butler was a "timorous, mundane, anxious" "little brown mole", who confined herself to the pretentious french section of the library-- while Paglia was engaged in total assault on the culture by any means necessary, including rock and roll, dope, and fucking in the streets. Paglia doesn't like Butler's ivory-tower post-modernism and armchair feminism-- for the same reason the American Indian Movement don't like the Washington Redskins:

Judith Butler is no radical: She is one of the smoothest careerists and veteran conference hoppers in the entire American academic system. She shrewdly adapted to the prevailing chic orthodoxy and became a major player in the ruthless academic marketplace... while the aboriginal Warholites remain ostracized.

Conference hopping armchair feminist PZ Myers blogged a little eulogy for aboriginal warholite Lou Reed: http://www.freezepage.com/1382942049VDBBUIHZEZ

Peezy said when he was 25 years old
There was nothin' happenin' at all
Every time he puts on a radio
There was nothin' goin' down at all, Not at all
Then one fine mornin' Peez puts on a New York station
You know, he don't believe what he heard at all
he started shakin' to that fine fine music
You know his life was saved by rock 'n' roll
Despite all the computations, you know you could just go out
And dance to the rock 'n' roll station
And baby it was alright
[youtube]PqBWi4lhqh8[/youtube]


I was born a poor, black child. I am not a bum, I'm a jerk. I once had wealth, power, and the love of a beautiful woman. Now I only have two things. My friends and my thermos. I remember the days sitting on the porch with my family singing and dancing, down in Mississippi...

"Grandma! Grandma! Look! Look at the radio! Turn it up! Turn it up! It's unbelievable! I've never heard music like this before! It speaks to me! Dad, this is unbelievable! Well if this is out there just think how much more is out there! This is the kind of music that tells me to go out there and be somebody!"

"You were left on our doorstep. But we raised you like you were one of us."

"Mother! You mean I'm going to stay this color?"

"I'd love you if you were the color of a baboon's ass."

"Let him go, mother. Son, now that you're going out into the world, there's something you should know. You see that? That's shit. And this: shinola. Now what town are you going to try for first?

"Well I thought I'd try to go to Morris, because that is where that radio program was coming from."

"Remember, the Lord loves a working man. And son, don't never, ever trust whitey. Don't you forget to grow up now. And if you catch it, see a doctor and get rid of it."

"Don't trust whitey. See a doctor and get rid of it. Got it."
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http://i.imgur.com/FlHApVL.jpg


This is all mildly lulzy, Service Dog, but where are you going with all this?

Well-- like PZ Myers-- I was born pretty fucking far from being a Lou Reed kinda guy. I know all about college towns on the tundra, and being surrounded by podunk Lutherans.

And then, yeah, one day I heard some Velvet Underground-- I read about Warhol in a magazine-- I saw Midnight Cowboy-- and at least I knew there was such a thing as a Downtown New York Intellectual Art Sex Drug Scene. But it seemed as distant, unobtainable and unreal... as Dr. Strange's "Sanctum Sanctorum in Greenwich Village," in Marvel Comics.

But, time went by, Alan Ginsberg and Iggy Pop were my East Village neighbors, I kissed Lou Reed in a nightclub once, twice he jaywalked without looking and a cab I was riding-in almost killed him, I got so used to Lou and Laurie as fixtures at prestigious-but-mundane art events/ that (in my head) the wrinkly little Lou Reed in a rumpled suit with whimsically-patterned socks-- wasn't even the same person as the iconic image. Along the way, I became an Aboriginal Warholian. Snorting ketamine off a tranny's silicone tits is just another day at the office. :dance:

So, yeah, PZ-- you wanna pay tribute to Lou Reed for being "subversive", and say Lou's disembodied voice on the radio was your ally against your "conventional" high school principal, fine. Cool story bro, Keep telling yourself that. What ever it takes to convince yourself you don't suck. Gabba gabba hey, you're one of us. But do you realize what an incredibly low bar that is, Peez? That's like me saying I'll count you as 'on my side' if the flesh-eating dead rise from the earth. I don't begrudge you for not being urbane, or even for pretending you are. But I do begrudge you believing your own poser bullshit so much-- that you dare lecture =anybody= on casual sex, alternatives to the heteronormative-genderbinary, free thought, freeze peach, art, diversity, culture, ...fucking life.

Did you ever actually "get a cheap Greyhound ticket and end up in a different kind of bus station in a big city on the other side of the continent", like you daydreamed about?

[Brive1987]

Feeling relaxed? Regain your angst and read the comments associated with Canucks beta testing for his subscription plug-in. Jesus.

One question. The value proposition is no adverts when you "subscribe to Freethought Blogs for 30, 90 or 365 days".

Do you get a refund *when* you get banned?

[Trophy]

I just watched the latest tfoot video and I found it quite interesting. But his points on the FTB page views made me wonder: how much of the FTB page views is due to us slymers scouring the place for lolz? I wouldn't be surprised if that's a lot.

[Dick Strawkins]

The main thing that Justicar video really demonstrates is Aron is a fucking moron when it comes to feminism.

Hey, we're all ignorant and stupid on some issue. But I mean, damn, those audio clips make him sound like a fundamentalist preacher riling up his flock. Arguing dictionary definitions of "feminism" to make it look like anyone who disagrees with feminism for any reason is by definition a sexist. Meanwhile he gets pissed off when creationists argue that evolution is "just a theory" and therefore creationism is by definition "just an alternate theory."

Fucking irony, how does it work?

There is a problem existing within the atheist community when people who are "famous on the internet", like Watson or AronRa, or indeed the Atheist Experience bunch, are treated with disproportionate respect. AronRA is internet famous for a serious of videos he made that tackle creationism and in particular creationist arguments regarding biology.
I've watched a couple of his videos and, while they seem competently done, I've never managed to get through to the end of any of them. I put this down to the fact that, unlike AronRA, I happen to be a biologist, and the kinds of arguments needed to defeat creationist biology are at the level of standard highschool science (and so it is somewhat boring for real biologists). An analogy might be to think about the kinds of physics arguments needed to debate a flat-earther - you wouldn't need a PhD in cosmology and if you had one you'd be soon bored to tears hearing the same refutations over and over again.
AronRa's videos give no indication of whether he will be able to tackle complex value based subjects like feminism and it is disheartening to see that he ends up using a patently absurd argument like defining a position where you don't describe yourself as a feminist, as being pro-sexism. Peezus uses the same argument, as do most in their camp and in a way I can't blame them - it is the only argument that makes sense of the rest of their position. But in so doing they force themselves to face some harsh realities - such as the fact that the vast majority of women themselves do not describe themselves as feminist - despite being in favor of equality and against sexism.
And even within FTB itself you have people like Ally Fogg who says he doesn't describe himself as feminist, for the simple reason that the term is not useful due to the fact that there are so many strands of feminism (some that don't all stand for equality.)
Is Ally Fogg in favor of sexism and discrimination?

Justicar makes the same argument that I made a little while back about the dictionary definition(s!) of feminism: namely that it is easy to find definitions that don't necessarily equate to anti-sexism - despite AronRa's claim that there is only one single defnition of the word feminism.
But their whole argument rests on this point - he cannot afford to acknowledge the alternative.

[Dick Strawkins]

I just watched the latest tfoot video and I found it quite interesting. But his points on the FTB page views made me wonder: how much of the FTB page views is due to us slymers scouring the place for lolz? I wouldn't be surprised if that's a lot.

I doubt that we bring them that much in terms of page views - at least not Pharyngula and Butterflies and Wheels, they will still be getting a lot of views without our clicks.
You could make the argument that we stir up the drama - and they rely on this to get enough hits from others in the community, but even that is not a direct result of the slymepit. Think for a second how many drama posts they make and then compare it to the number of drama posts that mention or target the slymepit. They read us all the time, of that I'm sure, but that's because the pit is the most comprehensive record of the ongoing rifts. But they very rarely write stories about the slymepit.
That is the reason I disagree with the arguments put forward by Gurdur and Damion. They seemed to think that we are driving the drama, rather than reflecting and commenting on it.
I actually think things would be far worse without the slymepit.

[Apples]

$ervice Dawg! \o/

[windy]

Amazing story from Mother Jones reporter Stephanie Mencimer about Jamie Leigh Jones. She takes responsibility for doing some credulous reporting on the case before really digging into it herself. Justicar appears in the comments.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/magazi ... p?page=all

Wow. Good on her for trying to set the record straight.

From the trailer, Jones called her father, Tom Jones, in Houston, where it was still the middle of the night. He later called Jones’s office looking for her boss and by coincidence got Tumbarella on the phone. He told her his daughter had been gang-raped. Tumbarella was shocked. “I had just got an email from her saying, ‘I had a great night last night, let’s do it again.’ Next thing I know her father’s calling saying she’s been gang-raped,” she told me in an interview.

:doh:

[AnonymousCowherd]

http://i.imgur.com/nXH6vAw.jpg

Love the two sitting either side of Zvan. One looking at her tits and one looking at the sign.

Tits?

[AnonymousCowherd]

[youtube]aZMbTFNp4wI[/youtube]

When he says he was inspired by a song while studying in the US, my first though was; "Shit. I hope it wasn't Tom Petty's Learning to Fly".

Give him some Billy Connolly - yes he was good, then he was a wanker, but now and again...

[youtube]IwooM4yhiiY[/youtube]

[Cunt of Personality]

Another data-point added.

Dictionary feminists good.
Dictionary atheists bad.

I'm going to go out on a limb and coin the phrase "Dictionary Tourism"

Dictionary Tourism
noun
Choosing the definition of a word, phrase or idiom that is most convenient either by consulting multiple dictionaries or by choosing amongst multiple definitions, whilst asserting or implying that no other definition exists.

[welch]

She's a real left-winger, cause she been down south and held babies in her arms. She said, "I could tell you stories that could make you cry. What about you?"

I said, "Me too. I could tell you a story that would make you cry."

And she sighed, "Ahh."

I said, "I want to be a singer like Lou Reed."

"I like Lou Reed," she said, sticking her tongue in my ear, "Let's go, let's sit, let's talk. Politics goes so good with beer. And while we're at it, baby, why don't you tell me one of your biggest fears?"

I said, "Losing my penis to a whore with disease." "Just kidding," I said, "losing my life to a whore with disease."

She said, "Excuse me, please?"

I said, "Losing my life to a whore with disease." I said, "Please."

Well, I'm a humble guy with healthy desire. Don't give me no shit because. I've been tired.
[youtube]6ve9P3AMbaA[/youtube]

A while back I posted a link to Camile Paglia dissing Judith Butler. When they were growing-up, Butler was a "timorous, mundane, anxious" "little brown mole", who confined herself to the pretentious french section of the library-- while Paglia was engaged in total assault on the culture by any means necessary, including rock and roll, dope, and fucking in the streets. Paglia doesn't like Butler's ivory-tower post-modernism and armchair feminism-- for the same reason the American Indian Movement don't like the Washington Redskins:

Judith Butler is no radical: She is one of the smoothest careerists and veteran conference hoppers in the entire American academic system. She shrewdly adapted to the prevailing chic orthodoxy and became a major player in the ruthless academic marketplace... while the aboriginal Warholites remain ostracized.

Conference hopping armchair feminist PZ Myers blogged a little eulogy for aboriginal warholite Lou Reed: http://www.freezepage.com/1382942049VDBBUIHZEZ

Peezy said when he was 25 years old
There was nothin' happenin' at all
Every time he puts on a radio
There was nothin' goin' down at all, Not at all
Then one fine mornin' Peez puts on a New York station
You know, he don't believe what he heard at all
he started shakin' to that fine fine music
You know his life was saved by rock 'n' roll
Despite all the computations, you know you could just go out
And dance to the rock 'n' roll station
And baby it was alright
[youtube]PqBWi4lhqh8[/youtube]


I was born a poor, black child. I am not a bum, I'm a jerk. I once had wealth, power, and the love of a beautiful woman. Now I only have two things. My friends and my thermos. I remember the days sitting on the porch with my family singing and dancing, down in Mississippi...

"Grandma! Grandma! Look! Look at the radio! Turn it up! Turn it up! It's unbelievable! I've never heard music like this before! It speaks to me! Dad, this is unbelievable! Well if this is out there just think how much more is out there! This is the kind of music that tells me to go out there and be somebody!"

"You were left on our doorstep. But we raised you like you were one of us."

"Mother! You mean I'm going to stay this color?"

"I'd love you if you were the color of a baboon's ass."

"Let him go, mother. Son, now that you're going out into the world, there's something you should know. You see that? That's shit. And this: shinola. Now what town are you going to try for first?

"Well I thought I'd try to go to Morris, because that is where that radio program was coming from."

"Remember, the Lord loves a working man. And son, don't never, ever trust whitey. Don't you forget to grow up now. And if you catch it, see a doctor and get rid of it."

"Don't trust whitey. See a doctor and get rid of it. Got it."
http://ak1.ostkcdn.com/images/products/ ... 992903.JPG
http://i.imgur.com/FlHApVL.jpg


This is all mildly lulzy, Service Dog, but where are you going with all this?

Well-- like PZ Myers-- I was born pretty fucking far from being a Lou Reed kinda guy. I know all about college towns on the tundra, and being surrounded by podunk Lutherans.

And then, yeah, one day I heard some Velvet Underground-- I read about Warhol in a magazine-- I saw Midnight Cowboy-- and at least I knew there was such a thing as a Downtown New York Intellectual Art Sex Drug Scene. But it seemed as distant, unobtainable and unreal... as Dr. Strange's "Sanctum Sanctorum in Greenwich Village," in Marvel Comics.

But, time went by, Alan Ginsberg and Iggy Pop were my East Village neighbors, I kissed Lou Reed in a nightclub once, twice he jaywalked without looking and a cab I was riding-in almost killed him, I got so used to Lou and Laurie as fixtures at prestigious-but-mundane art events/ that (in my head) the wrinkly little Lou Reed in a rumpled suit with whimsically-patterned socks-- wasn't even the same person as the iconic image. Along the way, I became an Aboriginal Warholian. Snorting ketamine off a tranny's silicone tits is just another day at the office. :dance:

So, yeah, PZ-- you wanna pay tribute to Lou Reed for being "subversive", and say Lou's disembodied voice on the radio was your ally against your "conventional" high school principal, fine. Cool story bro, Keep telling yourself that. What ever it takes to convince yourself you don't suck. Gabba gabba hey, you're one of us. But do you realize what an incredibly low bar that is, Peez? That's like me saying I'll count you as 'on my side' if the flesh-eating dead rise from the earth. I don't begrudge you for not being urbane, or even for pretending you are. But I do begrudge you believing your own poser bullshit so much-- that you dare lecture =anybody= on casual sex, alternatives to the heteronormative-genderbinary, free thought, freeze peach, art, diversity, culture, ...fucking life.

Did you ever actually "get a cheap Greyhound ticket and end up in a different kind of bus station in a big city on the other side of the continent", like you daydreamed about?

Bra-fucking-vo dude, in all sincerity.

You nailed why I just laugh when the derps talk about how radical they are, how "fight the power" they are, how hard their lives were growing up.

All that angst, and the best they can be is a z-list collection of minnesota morons.

[AnonymousCowherd]

PZ Myers' October 24 blog has left me disoriented.
http://www.freezepage.com/1382885258SNJEXCCNZF

PZ mocks a chart depicting Social Market Value (or SMV), the relative sexual attractiveness of populations of humans, based on various criteria:
https://rationalmale.files.wordpress.co ... =490&h=240

I don't understand PZ's disdain for the chart's basic conclusion: that our society values women for being young and pretty, and doesn't hold men to the same standard-- allowing old, ugly men to buy desirability with money and power; thus women face a social "expiration date". How is that different from PZ's feminist beliefs?

PZ also cites individual opinions as contrary to the chart. PZ seems to think that, if one man considers Scarlett Johannson unattractive, that single data-point invalidates the chart's finding that most men consider her attractive.

I understand that the methodology used to construct the SMV chart may be specious. But it seems to me that PZ's stated objections to the methodology would also apply to vast swaths of social sciences. For example, PZ praised AronRa's Sexy Secularism presentation, which included WomanStats.org's color-coded map of the world:
http://womanstats.org/laststatics/combi ... e20113.png

AronRa claimed the map depicted the "occurrence of rape", but actually the map depicts a "Combined Scale" of the prevalence "and Sanction" of rape and sexual assault of women, "adjusted for Laws, Taboos, and rates"

How does one objectively measure "sanction" of rape? How does one "adjust" for "Laws" and "Taboos"? Should AronRa be using a chart that's "adjusted for rates" to depict rape rates? The chart's codebook reveals that "social acceptance and prevalence of pornography" is a variable used to measure "Sanction" of rape of women. Is there a legitimate positive correlation between access to porn and sanction of rape?

Much like how the Bechdel Test only measures whether a movie passes the Bechdel Test; I contend that the rape map only depicts the assumptions of its feminist makers, not the assumptions of the nations on the map. I see no difference between my objection and the objection PZ raises to the SMV chart in his follow-up post. He complains that the chart only depicts the Results of the SMV survey "and doesn't actually measure anything." http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... is-survey/

PZ also complains that the vertical axis on the SMV chart, is "dimensionless", arbitrarily broken into 10 units. How is that different from the 5 unit color scale on the rape map. Why 5? How were the cut-off points between the colors determined?

Measurement is THE fundamental problem with the "social sciences" and psychology. The attempt to substitute the measurement of a physical quantity (time, number, GSR etc etc) for another supposed quality is dependent on whether or not you accept that the physical quantity is a real measure of the hypothesised one. Once you have a set of measurements, you're off - maths ahoy! But until you do, you are still all about anecdotes and "subjective" "measures" (please!). At least the "feminist stats" people admit their figures are crap - not that they'd put it that way, no doubt preferring that their "adjustments" make their made up numbers "truer" than mere male numbers. though how they would know that on any empirical grounds is, let's say, obscure...

The social sciences, and psych, have been (and continue) to kid themselves they have real measurement. Some folks believe them because it seems better than guesswork and opinion, but that has yet to be demonstrated.

[AnonymousCowherd]

Where can I find the original Zvan image?

I had a little time and I was inspired. Sorry for shitty skills.
http://i.imgur.com/7PC2p3I.jpg

Just don't use the words "huge" or "zvanitee" and damion will probably let you live.

[Brive1987]

Kinda poignant.

http://www.skepticink.com/nocrossnocres ... e-problem/

Trying to think how PZ would put a liberal slant on this one, and failing.

[AnonymousCowherd]

She's a real left-winger, cause she been down south and held babies in her arms. She said, "I could tell you stories that could make you cry. What about you?"

I said, "Me too. I could tell you a story that would make you cry."

And she sighed, "Ahh."

I said, "I want to be a singer like Lou Reed."

"I like Lou Reed," she said, sticking her tongue in my ear, "Let's go, let's sit, let's talk. Politics goes so good with beer. And while we're at it, baby, why don't you tell me one of your biggest fears?"

I said, "Losing my penis to a whore with disease." "Just kidding," I said, "losing my life to a whore with disease."

She said, "Excuse me, please?"

I said, "Losing my life to a whore with disease." I said, "Please."

Well, I'm a humble guy with healthy desire. Don't give me no shit because. I've been tired.
[youtube]6ve9P3AMbaA[/youtube]

A while back I posted a link to Camile Paglia dissing Judith Butler. When they were growing-up, Butler was a "timorous, mundane, anxious" "little brown mole", who confined herself to the pretentious french section of the library-- while Paglia was engaged in total assault on the culture by any means necessary, including rock and roll, dope, and fucking in the streets. Paglia doesn't like Butler's ivory-tower post-modernism and armchair feminism-- for the same reason the American Indian Movement don't like the Washington Redskins:

Judith Butler is no radical: She is one of the smoothest careerists and veteran conference hoppers in the entire American academic system. She shrewdly adapted to the prevailing chic orthodoxy and became a major player in the ruthless academic marketplace... while the aboriginal Warholites remain ostracized.

Conference hopping armchair feminist PZ Myers blogged a little eulogy for aboriginal warholite Lou Reed: http://www.freezepage.com/1382942049VDBBUIHZEZ

Peezy said when he was 25 years old
There was nothin' happenin' at all
Every time he puts on a radio
There was nothin' goin' down at all, Not at all
Then one fine mornin' Peez puts on a New York station
You know, he don't believe what he heard at all
he started shakin' to that fine fine music
You know his life was saved by rock 'n' roll
Despite all the computations, you know you could just go out
And dance to the rock 'n' roll station
And baby it was alright
[youtube]PqBWi4lhqh8[/youtube]


I was born a poor, black child. I am not a bum, I'm a jerk. I once had wealth, power, and the love of a beautiful woman. Now I only have two things. My friends and my thermos. I remember the days sitting on the porch with my family singing and dancing, down in Mississippi...

"Grandma! Grandma! Look! Look at the radio! Turn it up! Turn it up! It's unbelievable! I've never heard music like this before! It speaks to me! Dad, this is unbelievable! Well if this is out there just think how much more is out there! This is the kind of music that tells me to go out there and be somebody!"

"You were left on our doorstep. But we raised you like you were one of us."

"Mother! You mean I'm going to stay this color?"

"I'd love you if you were the color of a baboon's ass."

"Let him go, mother. Son, now that you're going out into the world, there's something you should know. You see that? That's shit. And this: shinola. Now what town are you going to try for first?

"Well I thought I'd try to go to Morris, because that is where that radio program was coming from."

"Remember, the Lord loves a working man. And son, don't never, ever trust whitey. Don't you forget to grow up now. And if you catch it, see a doctor and get rid of it."

"Don't trust whitey. See a doctor and get rid of it. Got it."
http://ak1.ostkcdn.com/images/products/ ... 992903.JPG
http://i.imgur.com/FlHApVL.jpg


This is all mildly lulzy, Service Dog, but where are you going with all this?

Well-- like PZ Myers-- I was born pretty fucking far from being a Lou Reed kinda guy. I know all about college towns on the tundra, and being surrounded by podunk Lutherans.

And then, yeah, one day I heard some Velvet Underground-- I read about Warhol in a magazine-- I saw Midnight Cowboy-- and at least I knew there was such a thing as a Downtown New York Intellectual Art Sex Drug Scene. But it seemed as distant, unobtainable and unreal... as Dr. Strange's "Sanctum Sanctorum in Greenwich Village," in Marvel Comics.

But, time went by, Alan Ginsberg and Iggy Pop were my East Village neighbors, I kissed Lou Reed in a nightclub once, twice he jaywalked without looking and a cab I was riding-in almost killed him, I got so used to Lou and Laurie as fixtures at prestigious-but-mundane art events/ that (in my head) the wrinkly little Lou Reed in a rumpled suit with whimsically-patterned socks-- wasn't even the same person as the iconic image. Along the way, I became an Aboriginal Warholian. Snorting ketamine off a tranny's silicone tits is just another day at the office. :dance:

So, yeah, PZ-- you wanna pay tribute to Lou Reed for being "subversive", and say Lou's disembodied voice on the radio was your ally against your "conventional" high school principal, fine. Cool story bro, Keep telling yourself that. What ever it takes to convince yourself you don't suck. Gabba gabba hey, you're one of us. But do you realize what an incredibly low bar that is, Peez? That's like me saying I'll count you as 'on my side' if the flesh-eating dead rise from the earth. I don't begrudge you for not being urbane, or even for pretending you are. But I do begrudge you believing your own poser bullshit so much-- that you dare lecture =anybody= on casual sex, alternatives to the heteronormative-genderbinary, free thought, freeze peach, art, diversity, culture, ...fucking life.

Did you ever actually "get a cheap Greyhound ticket and end up in a different kind of bus station in a big city on the other side of the continent", like you daydreamed about?

Just like Sister Rae said...

[James Caruthers]

You don't understand, numbers are all patriarchal and masculinist imperialists! I started doing some math, and the number 1 was just sitting there, proudly standing erect, like a penis. It looked like it was going to rape me. And what about that computer code, huh?

10100101010100010101010010010101001010001
^LOOK AT THIS!!! You think this is just computer code? Nonsense! It's a depiction of rape! The 0s look like vaginas, and the 1s look like penises. All the computer code built by MEN is just a digital representation of the male desire to rape women! It's totally phallocentric oppression!

And what about addition? 1+0= RAPE! Again, penis raping a vagina, represented by 1 and 0. Totally oppressive. Subtraction is a little better, at least in that case, the evil patriarchal men are simulating a penis leaving a vagina, like maybe it finished raping that number 0 and now it's done. So a little better, not much.

Don't even get me started on long division, all those penises being divided into those multiple vaginas. Or multiplication, with all of those penises endlessly multiplying until the world is covered in slobbering dongs.

Numbers are patriarchy! This is why our feminist statistics must take into account not only the patriarchal cisgendered numbered representations of data points, but how those points of data make us FEEL. So if I do a poll on the number of rape victims and find the number of reported rapes is much lower in the US than in some other part of the world, I also have to factor in that I live in the US, and this makes me FEEL much more unsafe than if I were living in that place with all the oppressed minorities who have different skin color. And when I read that 90% of workplace deaths are men, that makes me FEEL pissed off at stupid MRAs for talking about TEH POOR MENZ, so I factor in my PoMo number calculations and get 11.7% workplace deaths are men, and women are so much more oppressed than men in workplace environments!

So remember sisters, always remember to factor in your PoMo feminist genderqueer numbers to counteract the skewing effect of patriarchal "facts." And stop using 1s and 0s in your math, it triggers me.

[AnonymousCowherd]

You don't understand, numbers are all patriarchal and masculinist imperialists! I started doing some math, and the number 1 was just sitting there, proudly standing erect, like a penis. It looked like it was going to rape me. And what about that computer code, huh?

10100101010100010101010010010101001010001
^LOOK AT THIS!!! You think this is just computer code? Nonsense! It's a depiction of rape! The 0s look like vaginas, and the 1s look like penises. All the computer code built by MEN is just a digital representation of the male desire to rape women! It's totally phallocentric oppression!

And what about addition? 1+0= RAPE! Again, penis raping a vagina, represented by 1 and 0. Totally oppressive. Subtraction is a little better, at least in that case, the evil patriarchal men are simulating a penis leaving a vagina, like maybe it finished raping that number 0 and now it's done. So a little better, not much.

Don't even get me started on long division, all those penises being divided into those multiple vaginas. Or multiplication, with all of those penises endlessly multiplying until the world is covered in slobbering dongs.

Numbers are patriarchy! This is why our feminist statistics must take into account not only the patriarchal cisgendered numbered representations of data points, but how those points of data make us FEEL. So if I do a poll on the number of rape victims and find the number of reported rapes is much lower in the US than in some other part of the world, I also have to factor in that I live in the US, and this makes me FEEL much more unsafe than if I were living in that place with all the oppressed minorities who have different skin color. And when I read that 90% of workplace deaths are men, that makes me FEEL pissed off at stupid MRAs for talking about TEH POOR MENZ, so I factor in my PoMo number calculations and get 11.7% workplace deaths are men, and women are so much more oppressed than men in workplace environments!

So remember sisters, always remember to factor in your PoMo feminist genderqueer numbers to counteract the skewing effect of patriarchal "facts." And stop using 1s and 0s in your math, it triggers me.

While I am completely willing to accept your satire of feminist loonies James, I just want to make sure that many extremely serious and well regarded social/psychological theories are not being overlooked in the rush to tar the obvious idiots. What humanity doesn't know about itself would fill many books, and does so every year. The wilful idiots, of course, deserve special condemnation.

[Dick Strawkins]

She's a real left-winger, cause she been down south and held babies in her arms. She said, "I could tell you stories that could make you cry. What about you?"

I said, "Me too. I could tell you a story that would make you cry."

And she sighed, "Ahh."

I said, "I want to be a singer like Lou Reed."

"I like Lou Reed," she said, sticking her tongue in my ear, "Let's go, let's sit, let's talk. Politics goes so good with beer. And while we're at it, baby, why don't you tell me one of your biggest fears?"

I said, "Losing my penis to a whore with disease." "Just kidding," I said, "losing my life to a whore with disease."

She said, "Excuse me, please?"

I said, "Losing my life to a whore with disease." I said, "Please."

Well, I'm a humble guy with healthy desire. Don't give me no shit because. I've been tired.
[youtube]6ve9P3AMbaA[/youtube]

A while back I posted a link to Camile Paglia dissing Judith Butler. When they were growing-up, Butler was a "timorous, mundane, anxious" "little brown mole", who confined herself to the pretentious french section of the library-- while Paglia was engaged in total assault on the culture by any means necessary, including rock and roll, dope, and fucking in the streets. Paglia doesn't like Butler's ivory-tower post-modernism and armchair feminism-- for the same reason the American Indian Movement don't like the Washington Redskins:

Judith Butler is no radical: She is one of the smoothest careerists and veteran conference hoppers in the entire American academic system. She shrewdly adapted to the prevailing chic orthodoxy and became a major player in the ruthless academic marketplace... while the aboriginal Warholites remain ostracized.

Conference hopping armchair feminist PZ Myers blogged a little eulogy for aboriginal warholite Lou Reed: http://www.freezepage.com/1382942049VDBBUIHZEZ

Peezy said when he was 25 years old
There was nothin' happenin' at all
Every time he puts on a radio
There was nothin' goin' down at all, Not at all
Then one fine mornin' Peez puts on a New York station
You know, he don't believe what he heard at all
he started shakin' to that fine fine music
You know his life was saved by rock 'n' roll
Despite all the computations, you know you could just go out
And dance to the rock 'n' roll station
And baby it was alright
[youtube]PqBWi4lhqh8[/youtube]


I was born a poor, black child. I am not a bum, I'm a jerk. I once had wealth, power, and the love of a beautiful woman. Now I only have two things. My friends and my thermos. I remember the days sitting on the porch with my family singing and dancing, down in Mississippi...

"Grandma! Grandma! Look! Look at the radio! Turn it up! Turn it up! It's unbelievable! I've never heard music like this before! It speaks to me! Dad, this is unbelievable! Well if this is out there just think how much more is out there! This is the kind of music that tells me to go out there and be somebody!"

"You were left on our doorstep. But we raised you like you were one of us."

"Mother! You mean I'm going to stay this color?"

"I'd love you if you were the color of a baboon's ass."

"Let him go, mother. Son, now that you're going out into the world, there's something you should know. You see that? That's shit. And this: shinola. Now what town are you going to try for first?

"Well I thought I'd try to go to Morris, because that is where that radio program was coming from."

"Remember, the Lord loves a working man. And son, don't never, ever trust whitey. Don't you forget to grow up now. And if you catch it, see a doctor and get rid of it."

"Don't trust whitey. See a doctor and get rid of it. Got it."
http://ak1.ostkcdn.com/images/products/ ... 992903.JPG
http://i.imgur.com/FlHApVL.jpg


This is all mildly lulzy, Service Dog, but where are you going with all this?

Well-- like PZ Myers-- I was born pretty fucking far from being a Lou Reed kinda guy. I know all about college towns on the tundra, and being surrounded by podunk Lutherans.

And then, yeah, one day I heard some Velvet Underground-- I read about Warhol in a magazine-- I saw Midnight Cowboy-- and at least I knew there was such a thing as a Downtown New York Intellectual Art Sex Drug Scene. But it seemed as distant, unobtainable and unreal... as Dr. Strange's "Sanctum Sanctorum in Greenwich Village," in Marvel Comics.

But, time went by, Alan Ginsberg and Iggy Pop were my East Village neighbors, I kissed Lou Reed in a nightclub once, twice he jaywalked without looking and a cab I was riding-in almost killed him, I got so used to Lou and Laurie as fixtures at prestigious-but-mundane art events/ that (in my head) the wrinkly little Lou Reed in a rumpled suit with whimsically-patterned socks-- wasn't even the same person as the iconic image. Along the way, I became an Aboriginal Warholian. Snorting ketamine off a tranny's silicone tits is just another day at the office. :dance:

So, yeah, PZ-- you wanna pay tribute to Lou Reed for being "subversive", and say Lou's disembodied voice on the radio was your ally against your "conventional" high school principal, fine. Cool story bro, Keep telling yourself that. What ever it takes to convince yourself you don't suck. Gabba gabba hey, you're one of us. But do you realize what an incredibly low bar that is, Peez? That's like me saying I'll count you as 'on my side' if the flesh-eating dead rise from the earth. I don't begrudge you for not being urbane, or even for pretending you are. But I do begrudge you believing your own poser bullshit so much-- that you dare lecture =anybody= on casual sex, alternatives to the heteronormative-genderbinary, free thought, freeze peach, art, diversity, culture, ...fucking life.

Did you ever actually "get a cheap Greyhound ticket and end up in a different kind of bus station in a big city on the other side of the continent", like you daydreamed about?

Nice piece of writing.
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