Bleeding from the Bunghole

[JayTeeAitch]

I fancy a slice of toast, I'm staring at my toaster in anticipation...

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{pop}

Mother fucker got me in the eye.

[Scented Nectar]

For Ms Nectar, the NSFW version: Kilts & Cocks -- http://scotsmen.tumblr.com/

It seems kilts are a genre of porn. Learning something new every day! :)

[Edina Monsoon]

Brian Fields seems like a reasonable fellow. As did most of the posters - but nutjob Janice has to barge in and make it all about herself - to the point of going into hysterics because some people actually tried to *help* her. OMG, such misogyny!

Since Myers has embraced and re-published her story as part of his "evidence" that Shermer's a serial rapist, I wonder if we may expect Ms Rael to present her testimony in court? :popcorn:

[Scented Nectar]

All this talk of kilts, I'll just leave this here:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0062782/?ref_=fn_al_tt_6

"Carry On Up the Khyber"


http://bshistorian.files.wordpress.com/ ... .jpg?w=450

It's nice to see people enjoying a pleasant breeze. :D

[Trophy]

So TJ claims he knows who Shermer's accuser is. How the fuck?! Really, how the fuck?! I don't get how TJ became privy to this information, i am not saying his claim is bs, what i am saying is, how the fuck?!

As far as i'm aware he isn't big buddies with Shermer, nor is he big buddies with carrie the looney tune, or any of the crazy set, so how the fuck does he come by this info?! Interesting, interesting, interesting, the soup thickens.

You know most people can't keep secrets. They pass on the 'sworn to secrecy' information and then act shocked when the 'person sworn to secrecy' blabs it to the next person in the ever-increasing chain who in turn blabs it. And so on. And so on. And so on.

So, it's likely Carrie Poppy or Myers blabbed it to someone who blabbed it and it got to TJ. But TJ, from what I've read, is not the only one who claims to know who it is outside the 'in-group' circle.

But that means his information is second or third hand and thus not reliable at all.

[Ä uest]

I have a request for the Photoshoppers/gimps/paint.netters here

Can you take the image John Scalzi memes of himself here http://whatever.scalzi.com/2013/08/26/t ... -feminist/

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3747/9597 ... ccec_z.jpg

And turn it into a "blank" by getting rid of the text (especially the footer text.)

I would love to turn that into a meme more along the lines of

THIS IS THE GUY
That feminists go to to understand men's lives

THIS IS THE LAWN
Of the guy who thinks straight white males don't understand their privilege

THIS IS A GUY
Who thinks straight white males should make more sacrifices for feminism

SCALZI
You have a panty on your head.

[Quiz]

So TJ claims he knows who Shermer's accuser is. How the fuck?! Really, how the fuck?! I don't get how TJ became privy to this information, i am not saying his claim is bs, what i am saying is, how the fuck?!

As far as i'm aware he isn't big buddies with Shermer, nor is he big buddies with carrie the looney tune, or any of the crazy set, so how the fuck does he come by this info?! Interesting, interesting, interesting, the soup thickens.

You know most people can't keep secrets. They pass on the 'sworn to secrecy' information and then act shocked when the 'person sworn to secrecy' blabs it to the next person in the ever-increasing chain who in turn blabs it. And so on. And so on. And so on.

So, it's likely Carrie Poppy or Myers blabbed it to someone who blabbed it and it got to TJ. But TJ, from what I've read, is not the only one who claims to know who it is outside the 'in-group' circle.

But that means his information is second or third hand and thus not reliable at all.

He also claims to know this accuser personally.

[FlyingV]

So it's went from Shermer practically pouring wine down a woman's throat to him putting £500 behind the bar and saying "drinks are on me".

*facepalm*

I can't wait until they turn this into "Shermer was trying to rape the entire bar."

bar_rape.jpg

Love it!

Can't be a serial rapist unless you cast a REALLY wide net.

[Tapir]

I have a request for the Photoshoppers/gimps/paint.netters here

Can you take the image John Scalzi memes of himself here http://whatever.scalzi.com/2013/08/26/t ... -feminist/

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3747/9597 ... ccec_z.jpg

And turn it into a "blank" by getting rid of the text (especially the footer text.)

If only you actually read the first two sentences you linked to!

:doh:

[Aneris]

A talented animator has finally created two clips illustrating how Pharyngula is like. The first clip illustrates how the comment section is like in FORM, and shows the humanitarian aspects of discussions that take place in PZ Myers “humanist” and “happy atheist” venue. The second clip illustrates how it like in CONTENT, quality of arguments, cogent reasoning and overall performance in critical thought. As you see I. M. Weasel, who is often called “doucheweasel” by them, symbolizes teh Patriarchy. He seems to be very hyperskeptical about I. R. Baboon, but with lots of privilege gets away with it this time.

I. R. Baboon: Form and Structure of Discussions.
[youtube]ppHh_lg5CEM[/youtube]

I. R. Baboon: Content and Quality.
[youtube]NlG8NH2a3Ek[/youtube]

[Ä uest]

I have a request for the Photoshoppers/gimps/paint.netters here

Can you take the image John Scalzi memes of himself here http://whatever.scalzi.com/2013/08/26/t ... -feminist/

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3747/9597 ... ccec_z.jpg

And turn it into a "blank" by getting rid of the text (especially the footer text.)

If only you actually read the first two sentences you linked to!

:doh:

[Ä uest]

I have a request for the Photoshoppers/gimps/paint.netters here

Can you take the image John Scalzi memes of himself here http://whatever.scalzi.com/2013/08/26/t ... -feminist/

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3747/9597 ... ccec_z.jpg

And turn it into a "blank" by getting rid of the text (especially the footer text.)

If only you actually read the first two sentences you linked to!

:doh:

D'oh is right!

Sorry about that. Bad eyes, small tablet, smaller brain.

[JackRayner]

Some interesting comments on Mr Deity’s ‘Did I "Blame the Victim?"’ video. From his clarification:

[snip]

Mr Deity responded:

Well, please note -- that's a woman who admits that absolutely no harm came to her. And I have it from two sources now that that's not even the way that situation went down. It was not a one-on-one with the accused, but a group of people. And the accused was not pouring the drink. He simply told the server to refill everyone (presumable everyone who wanted a refill). Does anyone really believe that the accused would be playing wine server at a Gala where he's the guest of honor? Really?

Down the page, Jenna Scoville comments:

… 3: The woman who drank the alcohol was NOT subsequently raped by Michael Shermer. A friend of her pulled her away because she was completely sloshed. No one is to blame for her being sloshed except for her.

Well, well ...

Wow. Really? He wasn't even the one pouring the drink? Are you fucking shitting me?

So, just like with elevatorgate, we can file this one under zero fucking bad.

[Cunning Punt]

Good God, is that real? I knew Myers was twisted, but is that real?

It's a cartoon.

[goddamn 'nym]

Some interesting comments on Mr Deity’s ‘Did I "Blame the Victim?"’ video. From his clarification:

… As evidence of the supposed "M.O." of the accused, PZ quoted a woman who tells the following story...
The accused "was the guest of honor at an atheist event I attended in Fall 2006... I got my book signed, then at the post-speech party, [the accused] chatted with me at great length while refilling my wine glass repeatedly. I lost count of how many drinks I had. He was flirting with me and I am non-confrontational and unwilling to be rude, so I just laughed it off. He made sure my wine glass stayed full. And that's the entirety of my story.

My bit with the wine and refusing the refill was in response to that paragraph in PZ's post only…

Manfredo Aguilar commented:

I read the story on FreeThought and don't know what to think about it. The 'victim' was given alcohol and didn't want to be rude so she didn't refuse it? She didn't simply nurse her drink? She didn't simply put the glass down and walk away from it?
Why not simply be an adult and say "thanks but no." Because she's non confrontational? So she needs someone else to be responsible for her behavior?
This is not some scumbag drugging someone and taking advantage, it is a public event for adults.

Mr Deity responded:

Well, please note -- that's a woman who admits that absolutely no harm came to her. And I have it from two sources now that that's not even the way that situation went down. It was not a one-on-one with the accused, but a group of people. And the accused was not pouring the drink. He simply told the server to refill everyone (presumable everyone who wanted a refill). Does anyone really believe that the accused would be playing wine server at a Gala where he's the guest of honor? Really?

Down the page, Jenna Scoville comments:

… 3: The woman who drank the alcohol was NOT subsequently raped by Michael Shermer. A friend of her pulled her away because she was completely sloshed. No one is to blame for her being sloshed except for her.

Well, well ...

I wonder who was paying for the drinks back when RW was coerced into a position where she could not consent to having to listen to a man talking to her in an elevator. That case has gone cold with no culprit identified so far. But with guilt now established just by following the money trail to the bar tab we might finally find someone to be crucified.

[H. Korban]

The Bar Rape OMG... (sorry if this has been posted before)

From Brian Fields' FB thread https://www.facebook.com/fieldsb/posts/ ... 9083034817

fieldsthread.jpg

This "He got me drunk" line of thinking seems amazing to me. It is a total absolution of self-responsibility. There is a very simple solution to all these problems: JUST DONT DRINK. Thats all, problem solved.

[Ä uest]

This is Bill Clinton's speech today,

http://m.washingtonpost.com/politics/tr ... story.html

I think it's interesting to consider how the baboons and A+ers would react to portions of it quoted and inserted into their comment streams.

SJW seem to particularly hate MLK's I have a dream paragraph about judging people not by the color of their skin.

[Tony Parsehole]

The Bar Rape OMG... (sorry if this has been posted before)

From Brian Fields' FB thread https://www.facebook.com/fieldsb/posts/ ... 9083034817

fieldsthread.jpg

This "He got me drunk" line of thinking seems amazing to me. It is a total absolution of self-responsibility. There is a very simple solution to all these problems: JUST DONT DRINK. Thats all, problem solved.

But then they wouldn't have victim status and they'd have nothing to bitch about on the internet.

[Pitchguest]

Fuck me.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/amilliongod ... /#comments

I need a break.

[Pitchguest]

This is Bill Clinton's speech today,

http://m.washingtonpost.com/politics/tr ... story.html

I think it's interesting to consider how the baboons and A+ers would react to portions of it quoted and inserted into their comment streams.

SJW seem to particularly hate MLK's I have a dream paragraph about judging people not by the color of their skin.

On the eve of MLK Day, Steers is told "fuck off, white man." Nice, innit.

[Steersman]

This is Bill Clinton's speech today,

http://m.washingtonpost.com/politics/tr ... story.html

I think it's interesting to consider how the baboons and A+ers would react to portions of it quoted and inserted into their comment streams.

SJW seem to particularly hate MLK's I have a dream paragraph about judging people not by the color of their skin.

On the eve of MLK Day, Steers is told "fuck off, white man." Nice, innit.

And by a black man too. Which is, of course, not racism on his part since the under-"privileged" can't be guilty of "isms" on those particular axes . Not that I think it qualifies as racism, only that it is rather hypocritical that none of the SJWs there - apart from another black man there - leaped in to criticize him for a supposedly racist remark.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/ashleymille ... ent-105826

[Steersman]

The Bar Rape OMG... (sorry if this has been posted before)

From Brian Fields' FB thread https://www.facebook.com/fieldsb/posts/ ... 9083034817

fieldsthread.jpg

With these morons, It's always "somebody got me drunk". Fuck that shit. YOU got you drunk.

Indeed. You might be interested in this. It’s from the “Intoxication defense” article, but I think it speaks to the question of personal responsibility that applies to both accuser and accused:

The presence or absence of liability may be said to hang on a foreseeability test. The fact that the consumption of alcohol or the ingestion of drugs may cause a loss of control is well-known. Thus, anyone who knowingly consumes is, at the very least, reckless as to the possibility of losing control. If they did not wish to lose control, they would not consume, so loss of control must be within the scope of their intention by continuing to consume.

"Plausible deniability"?

[Linus]

Fuck me.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/amilliongod ... /#comments

I need a break.

You are a patient man/woman.

[Dave2]

I am beginning to think all conference attendees should record their experience of the conference from beginning to end.

I mean, in the unlikely event I ever bother my lazy ass to go to one of these things I'll be installing close-circuit cameras in my room just to have it on record that I committed no shenanigans.

[Gumby]

Fuck me.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/amilliongod ... /#comments

I need a break.

You can't reason people out of a position they never reasoned themselves into in the first place, as the saying goes.

But you gave it a helluva try. :clap:

[JackRayner]

My unit's AO was Al Anbar Province, a section of land about the size of Texas

I thought "there's no way that can be the case". I checked and Texas is something like five times the size of Al Anbar.

I guess the lied to us in our briefings.

It's possible that I wasn't the only one lied to, either. I'll try to apply a bit more skepticism to my pre-skeptic past next time, though...

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x17/ ... 3797d7.png

[Interesting that the article is also referring to events that happened during my deployment. My unit and units in my battalion were involved in several of these. Our stay ended in early September...]

[Steersman]

I am beginning to think all conference attendees should record their experience of the conference from beginning to end.

I mean, in the unlikely event I ever bother my lazy ass to go to one of these things I'll be installing close-circuit cameras in my room just to have it on record that I committed no shenanigans.

I can well see that that is likely to become standard-operating-procedure at hotel check-in counters: “Will that be a smoking or a non-smoking room? One with or without CCTV for evidentiary purposes?”

I have suggested in several places an analogous iPhone App solution, but apparently that smacks too much of actually taking personal responsibility to be all that palatable to many “feminists”.

[Gumby]

The Bar Rape OMG... (sorry if this has been posted before)

From Brian Fields' FB thread https://www.facebook.com/fieldsb/posts/ ... 9083034817

fieldsthread.jpg

With these morons, It's always "somebody got me drunk". Fuck that shit. YOU got you drunk.

Indeed. You might be interested in this. It’s from the “Intoxication defense” article, but I think it speaks to the question of personal responsibility that applies to both accuser and accused:

The presence or absence of liability may be said to hang on a foreseeability test. The fact that the consumption of alcohol or the ingestion of drugs may cause a loss of control is well-known. Thus, anyone who knowingly consumes is, at the very least, reckless as to the possibility of losing control. If they did not wish to lose control, they would not consume, so loss of control must be within the scope of their intention by continuing to consume.

"Plausible deniability"?

Thanks, didn't know about that. I'm sure Shermer's lawyers do though :lol:

[Dave]

My unit's AO was Al Anbar Province, a section of land about the size of Texas

I thought "there's no way that can be the case". I checked and Texas is something like five times the size of Al Anbar.

I guess the lied to us in our briefings.

It's possible that I wasn't the only one lied to, either. I'll try to apply a bit more skepticism to my pre-skeptic past next time, though...

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x17/ ... 3797d7.png

[Interesting that the article is also referring to events that happened during my deployment. My unit and units in my battalion were involved in several of these. Our stay ended in early September...]

According to wikipedia:

Al Anbar 138,501 km2
Iraq 438,317 km2
Texas 696,241 km2

The appropriate size comparison would probably be either of the following:
Arkansas 137,732 km2
North Carolina 139,389 km2

[debaser71]

Al Anbar Province Area
• Total 138,501 km2 (53,476 sq mi)

vs

Texas Area
- Total 268,581[2] sq mi
(696,241 km2)

vs

Iraq Area
- Total 438,317 km2 (59th)
169,234 sq mi

Silly "freepers" I guess.

[Cunning Punt]

Janice Rael is an old timer. IIDB-- Everlasting God Stopper aka ELGS. Glad to see shes still a weirdo.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/daylightat ... situation/

Deep Rifts from 2007. Never heard of any of this before.

[Cunning Punt]

Fuck me.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/amilliongod ... /#comments

I need a break.

Ha! Pitchguest... put down the computer.... step back slowly.... there!

Now, go outside, find a place that sells beer and drink some. You are fighting against a bunch of people that are utterly convinced they are on the side of god.

[JackRayner]

The Bar Rape OMG... (sorry if this has been posted before)

From Brian Fields' FB thread https://www.facebook.com/fieldsb/posts/ ... 9083034817

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BSyPCd1CUAAYguL.jpg:large

Alright alright alright. So, let me get this straight. This woman

—> Says she's been raped a gazillion times
—> Says she's never gone to the police [in time for a rape kit to be used]
—> Blames police because rape kits go unused?

Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with these people? Also...how exactly does she know whether the police give a fuck about sexual crimes or not if she doesn't go to them 'til long after the crime has been committed, and on only one occasion? What the fuck is the police supposed to do? Organize territory-wide patrols, in which cops carrying rape kits at the ready ask everyone if they've been raped?

Fucking magnets, how do they work?! :doh:

[Tribble]

Keep an eye on this:

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyat ... ingtonian/

Interesting.

I'd take issue with the bit where it's claimed that Grover Norquist and Richard Dawkins are natural antagonists.
If Dawkin's were to find a way to carpet bomb the next Southern Baptist Covention, Norquist would, at minimum, try and get him a tax deduction on the bombs (whilst trying hard not to look too pleased).

Peezus has made it clear in the past that one has to agree 100% with his Proglodyte-ism to even be considered part of the "movement". And one must agree with him for the *same* reasons too, it seems. Its classic ideological purity, and its rampant on the US left, and is starting to make inroads here too in the UK (the AV Referendum is a prime example)

Oh, fucking please, lock-step horseshit like that is on both ends and from where I'm sitting there's not one hair's worth of lock-step ideological purity between the unthinking idiots who frequent the Daily Kos (left) and LGF (right). Both fucking sets are purity ideologues who'll turn on their own in heart-beat over trivial doctrinal differences. Both sets also have their luddites. The right can't see obvious shit like global warming, smoking causes cancer and a ton of other things. The left gets whacked out about GMO, and environmental causes.

And frankly, while I took you off the filter because you seemed to finally stop the idiotic 'left is this, left is that' and 'only the right gets it crap,' I can see that, like a drunk, you can't stay on the 'thinking' wagon.

[another lurker]

The Bar Rape OMG... (sorry if this has been posted before)

From Brian Fields' FB thread https://www.facebook.com/fieldsb/posts/ ... 9083034817

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BSyPCd1CUAAYguL.jpg:large

Alright alright alright. So, let me get this straight. This woman

—> Says she's been raped a gazillion times
—> Says she's never gone to the police [in time for a rape kit to be used]
—> Blames police because rape kits go unused?

Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with these people? Also...how exactly does she know whether the police give a fuck about sexual crimes or not if she doesn't go to them 'til long after the crime has been committed, and on only one occasion? What the fuck is the police supposed to do? Organize territory-wide patrols, in which cops carrying rape kits at the ready ask everyone if they've been raped?

Fucking magnets, how do they work?! :doh:

She gets off on being a victim. That's what it's all about for her. Professional martyr.

[deLurch]

The conference culture is different: They act like they are having Groundhog Day at those things where all the cool kids are doing it, and the lie is there is no consequences and no hangover because they treat these things like they exist outside of time. Until the next morning where people's heads hurt and they have vague memories of someone touching someone else, if only if it was someone holding back their hair to puke.

What I don't understand are the speakers who will booze it up heavily the night before they have to do a speech. A speech is essentially a performance. I don't see how anyone thinks they can do a competent job hung over.

[JackRayner]

I thought "there's no way that can be the case". I checked and Texas is something like five times the size of Al Anbar.

I guess the lied to us in our briefings.

It's possible that I wasn't the only one lied to, either. I'll try to apply a bit more skepticism to my pre-skeptic past next time, though...

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x17/ ... 3797d7.png

[Interesting that the article is also referring to events that happened during my deployment. My unit and units in my battalion were involved in several of these. Our stay ended in early September...]

According to wikipedia:

Al Anbar 138,501 km2
Iraq 438,317 km2
Texas 696,241 km2

The appropriate size comparison would probably be either of the following:
Arkansas 137,732 km2
North Carolina 139,389 km2

Yeah. I never bothered verifying this particular bit of info that was passed on to us. That's what I meant by "I'll try to apply more skepticism to my past" bit.

What can ya do? http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x17/ ... /shrug.gif

[Bourne Skeptic]

I have a request for the Photoshoppers/gimps/paint.netters here

Can you take the image John Scalzi memes of himself here http://whatever.scalzi.com/2013/08/26/t ... -feminist/

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3747/9597 ... ccec_z.jpg

And turn it into a "blank" by getting rid of the text (especially the footer text.)

If only you actually read the first two sentences you linked to!

:doh:

D'oh is right!

Sorry about that. Bad eyes, small tablet, smaller brain.

If you join the Slymepit, your brain will grow!

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-z9lzZZGpn5U/T ... gbrain.jpg

[FlyingV]

The Bar Rape OMG... (sorry if this has been posted before)

From Brian Fields' FB thread https://www.facebook.com/fieldsb/posts/ ... 9083034817

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BSyPCd1CUAAYguL.jpg:large

Alright alright alright. So, let me get this straight. This woman

—> Says she's been raped a gazillion times
—> Says she's never gone to the police [in time for a rape kit to be used]
—> Blames police because rape kits go unused?

Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with these people? Also...how exactly does she know whether the police give a fuck about sexual crimes or not if she doesn't go to them 'til long after the crime has been committed, and on only one occasion? What the fuck is the police supposed to do? Organize territory-wide patrols, in which cops carrying rape kits at the ready ask everyone if they've been raped?

Fucking magnets, how do they work?! :doh:

I've been raped 1,472 times, and the cops took it seriously EVERY SINGLE TIME.

I get that anecdotes make for a good story around the point that you're trying to make, and I use them, too, despite my better judgment. Unfortunately for these attention whores, I don't believe their anecdotes, and they actually make their point less valid. NOT going to the cops and the cops doing nothing is how things should work.

If they could just own up to the fact that they enjoy gossip and attention, they would look less foolish than pretending they're "protecting women." I'm not sure what they're trying to protect me from, but apparently it's free drinks. And that make me :(

[Cunt of Personality]

She gets off on being a victim. That's what it's all about for her. Professional martyr.

More like scrub-tier amateur martyr.

When I were a nipper, we used to have to be burned at the stake (it were uphill both ways to the pyre) then fed to some lions before we would even get a certificate of competency.

[robnixxo]

This is a reoccurring thing among the atheist community and there never seems to be any evidence. All of these supposed cases of rape yet no one had the brains to go to the police, and there's no witnesses of strange behavior ever. WTF?

It's just weird. And it freaks me out. There was a chick who said she was raped twice in my local atheist group. Her and her husband are polyamorous (seems to be popular among this group of atheists). This chick also posed nude in some atheist calender, too (Greta Christina was in it, too. Trust me, don't seek it out unless you wanna get sick.)

I'm just wondering how this woman was raped TWICE, both at atheist conventions. There's just too many factors for me to take her and these other self proclaimed victims seriously on their word alone.

Does the skeptic/atheist community just attract these weirdos or what? It's frightening but fascinating at the same time.

[debaser71]

ahhh Janice Rael...aka everlastinggodstopper ar IIDB. She was a mod and a popular poster until she revealed information about the inner workings of the behind the scenes going on when they were deciding to switch to Rational Freethrought something or the other. She was banned. I've had a few discussions with her on IIDB and on the issues that feminists care about she seemed a bit extreme (like abortion up to the day of birth and men nursing, like breastfeeding) Since discovering the whackiness of some feminists I've wondered if she were a radfem and I just didn't know much about that stuff at the time.

Also (and this probably means very little) she spoke of being bi-sexual and in an open relationship marriage.

Anyway /carry-on

[James Caruthers]

Alright alright alright. So, let me get this straight. This woman

—> Says she's been raped a gazillion times
—> Says she's never gone to the police [in time for a rape kit to be used]
—> Blames police because rape kits go unused?

Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with these people? Also...how exactly does she know whether the police give a fuck about sexual crimes or not if she doesn't go to them 'til long after the crime has been committed, and on only one occasion? What the fuck is the police supposed to do? Organize territory-wide patrols, in which cops carrying rape kits at the ready ask everyone if they've been raped?

Fucking magnets, how do they work?! :doh:

This is one of those situations where there's nothing you can say that won't be misconstrued as victim blaming. It's almost like that phrase was designed specifically to shield people who swallow ideological party lines whole and act like children. By, I don't know, repeatedly refusing to go to police to get a rape kid done, because "the police don't care and rapists are never prosecuted." After the 4th time of not reporting and not catching the guy, one would think a "teachable moment" would occur and she'd call the cops.

Oh sorry, that was my male privilege talking. But I just checked it with the coat check lady, I mean the coat check person, so let me give a proper response:

It is so horrible this lady was raped. Everything she did was totally correct, because I as a man have no right to mansplain anything. If she had gone to the police, they are so misogynist that she probably would have been raped several times in the police station while reporting her rape. Then they would have ignored her and laughed in her face. She is much better off concealing the crime, allowing serial rapists to rape again, and working with her therapist to deal with her emotions every time she is raped. She should definitely contact PZ, he is a shining paragon in the mire of Raep Kulture. She cannot speak to trained law enforcement men and women because they are too misogynist, but this old, white male professor always knows exactly what to do to protect victims from rapists. He knows because he cares. He cares a lot. He would never make a rape joke or allow a rape joke to be made about him, because he knows it would trigger real rape victims.

:lol: Seriously, sometimes there's nothing to do but laugh at the absurdity of it all. I'd love to hear what some of the responses were to her post.

[ThreeFlangedJavis]

Welcome to our side of things ThePrussian. You see, as it turns out that some FTB opinion leaders once were accused of rape (Jason Thibeault and PZ Myers have confessed it themselves), seem to like rapey stuff as seen here, and in fact have now found an excuse to immerse themselves completely in “Rape Culture”. But you know, the official version is of course completely inverted. Everything they are, and it's extreme in my book, gets turned around 180° and for a complete weird reason actually believed by quite a lot of people outside. I still don't know what to make of it and wonder if this is some sort of elaborated joke.

Projection

Yes, there appears to be some projection by the 'boons. My impression is that they have difficulty comprehending a lack of malice in others. This could be because they themselves are lifelong victims and assume that everyone is out to get them or because they are full of malice themselves and can't confront the fact, or maybe a bit of both. When you first encounter it it's quite startling to have a perfectly sincere and benign statement taken as a statement of hatred. I don't think it's deliberate misinterpretation of intention (by the minions, anyway), I think it's a pathological inability to trust the motivations of others.

[Tribble]

The Bar Rape OMG... (sorry if this has been posted before)

From Brian Fields' FB thread https://www.facebook.com/fieldsb/posts/ ... 9083034817

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BSyPCd1CUAAYguL.jpg:large

Ok. Back in the 1990s the US DoJ did a report on the Lifetime Likelihood of Victimization (the actual title). Based on a much higher rape-rate than we currently have in the US, the lifetime incidence of rape (including attempted rape) was 7% for white women. The chances of it happening twice were so low that it rounded down to 0%. Black women had a 10% chance of one. And a 1% chance of two.

So, when I read this, I think it's (a), this person is a statistical outlier who has gotten a real shitty hand because the chances of three-or-more* sexual assaults are extremely remote or (b) she's a liar and is seeking attention/lying for feminism. I don't know which case is the truth. Because, while case (a) is highly unlikely, the world is big and there's plenty of room for a small number of triple-dippers in the 'just got horribly unlucky' pool.

But my warning bells are ringing and I also keep a healthy dose of skepticism in reserve to insure I don't get sucked into a load of BS. (This is from not having that skepticism when I was younger and getting burned badly.)

*she said multiple, not two. Therefore I don't think it's unreasonable to believe at least three is implied.

[James Caruthers]

I think a lot of people are also forgetting that it's very easy for people who see themselves as constant victims or martyrs, people with histrionic disorders (I dated one) to genuinely believe their own bullshit. So in a sense, a woman might never have been raped, say she was raped 12 times, and not actually be lying. Well, what I mean is she believes she is telling the truth.

I suspect this is what is happening with a lot of hardcore feminists. It starts with a victim personality and histrionic disorder, then they get a fuzzier and fuzzier definition of "rape" (hence unwilling to report to cops) and wind up with something very mild happening (like a server at a party refilling everyone's glass while the guest of honor pays for it) and suddenly they have a victim story. And they believe it 100%, even though it's bullshit.

So that's my perspective on the wave of feminists who claim to have been raped more than 4 times. It might be bad luck, but it might be histrionics.

[JackRayner]

This is a reoccurring thing among the atheist community and there never seems to be any evidence. All of these supposed cases of rape yet no one had the brains to go to the police, and there's no witnesses of strange behavior ever. WTF?

It's just weird. And it freaks me out. There was a chick who said she was raped twice in my local atheist group. Her and her husband are polyamorous (seems to be popular among this group of atheists). This chick also posed nude in some atheist calender, too (Greta Christina was in it, too. Trust me, don't seek it out unless you wanna get sick.)

I'm just wondering how this woman was raped TWICE, both at atheist conventions. There's just too many factors for me to take her and these other self proclaimed victims seriously on their word alone.

Does the skeptic/atheist community just attract these weirdos or what? It's frightening but fascinating at the same time.

It's easy getting raped twice at similar events. The way I would go about it [If I was a chick, of course. Menz can't be raped, as everyone knows], is to attend atheist conferences/group meetings, find out where the partying will be, show up and down several drinks in quick succession, locate the first man to hold his gaze on me for more than 1 second, stumble over and whisper bourbon smelling sweet-nothings into his ear, then drag him up to my room and ride him like a Hitachi Magic Wand 'til I blow chunks on his chest and pass out...

Oh! And the critical part: Remove consent a day, week, or five years later, once my favorite alcoholic Feminist blogger convinces me that I was raep'd, because drunk women aren't allowed to consent, even if they do so enthusiastically.

Patriarchy, penis, misogyny, et cetera....

[Aneris]

Fuck me.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/amilliongod ... /#comments

I need a break.

You can't reason people out of a position they never reasoned themselves into in the first place, as the saying goes.

But you gave it a helluva try. :clap:

It's always the same broken record with them it seems. The regulars come in, “go meta” (i.e. ignore whatever you wrote), but make “final judgment” like “you lie”, “you are stupid/obtuse/misogynist” etc. and give the impression it was crystal clear. Done. Then they are cocksure that this will somehow pass as critical thinking. Seriously, the road in front of my door has more intelligence and more empathy even after a roadkill.

@Pitchguest
Take this magic weapon into the Land of the Baboons ... It probably needs too much intelligence and/or complicated reasoning for them to comprehend this, but it's worth a try. Some unwitting onlookers will get it. It's from our public memberlist, button upper corner (and they can confirm and log in and check it out themselves).

http://i.imgur.com/uaRxbqb.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/uaRxbqb.jpg

[Supertroy]

Ok. Back in the 1990s the US DoJ did a report on the Lifetime Likelihood of Victimization (the actual title). Based on a much higher rape-rate than we currently have in the US, the lifetime incidence of rape (including attempted rape) was 7% for white women. The chances of it happening twice were so low that it rounded down to 0%. Black women had a 10% chance of one. And a 1% chance of two.

So, when I read this, I think it's (a), this person is a statistical outlier who has gotten a real shitty hand because the chances of three-or-more* sexual assaults are extremely remote or (b) she's a liar and is seeking attention/lying for feminism. I don't know which case is the truth. Because, while case (a) is highly unlikely, the world is big and there's plenty of room for a small number of triple-dippers in the 'just got horribly unlucky' pool.

But my warning bells are ringing and I also keep a healthy dose of skepticism in reserve to insure I don't get sucked into a load of BS. (This is from not having that skepticism when I was younger and getting burned badly.)

*she said multiple, not two. Therefore I don't think it's unreasonable to believe at least three is implied.

Wouldn't it be more likely to think, given a bit later on in the FB discussion that she wants to know about "where rape victims from 50 years ago can get justice", that her multiple instances of rape are rooted in childhood sexual abuse?

At least, that's the way I read it. It has the benefit of meshing quite nicely with the story she gives (multiple rapes), makes the lack of timely reporting sensible, makes the cops response a bit more likely and understandable, and doesn't make her into a liar.

[robnixxo]

Oh man, anyone visit Carrier's blog post about all this recently? He's writing these overly long rebuttals that include mathematical equations and philosophical meanderings about why Shermer is guilty of rape. He's starting to sound like William Lane Craig. Throwing out a bunch of impressive sounding language and numbers to cover up a complete lack of evidence. Seriously, if there was actual evidence Carrier wouldn't have to write such overblown posts. White knight atheist mclovin' clone seriously has his head up his ass.

[ThreeFlangedJavis]

You get the feeling that Myers is a little like those TV Evangelists who thunders against homosexuality and is shortly found sprawled out on the floor of some Men's room somewhere?

Incidentally, I've been "on your side" for a while, just not found the time to really drop by. :ugeek:

I don't know if he means it or he's just winding PZ up, but Reap Paden often says PZ is a not-at-all-discreet ogler at conferences.

The Hoggler says he got the same impression from being around Peeze in the bar. He really really doesn't like Peeze much, so make what you will of that.

[JackRayner]

It's easy getting raped twice at similar events. The way I would go about it [If I was a chick, of course. Menz can't be raped, as everyone knows], is to attend atheist conferences/group meetings, find out where the partying will be, show up and down several drinks in quick succession, locate the first man to hold his gaze on me for more than 1 second, stumble over and whisper bourbon smelling sweet-nothings into his ear, then drag him up to my room and ride him like a Hitachi Magic Wand 'til I blow chunks on his chest and pass out...

Oh! And the critical part: Remove consent a day, week, or five years later, once my favorite alcoholic Feminist blogger convinces me that I was raep'd, because drunk women aren't allowed to consent, even if they do so enthusiastically.

Patriarchy, penis, misogyny, et cetera....

Oh, and lather, rinse, repeat 'til you're happy with your Raep'd Count, of course.

[Gumby]

What I don't understand are the speakers who will booze it up heavily the night before they have to do a speech. A speech is essentially a performance. I don't see how anyone thinks they can do a competent job hung over.

Becky doesn't have to be competent (or sober), she just has to show up. Too many cons are about entertainment and little else these days.

[JackRayner]

2) Internet feminists, and women who listen to listen to them, should stop going to these conferences. I'm not saying stop pushing for more sexual harassment policies if you believe that will help. I'm saying, if you believe these FTBloggers, atheist conferences are full of rape, much more so than christian or other secular conferences. Because all these feminists have tales to tell of how they were raped or molested. And if you believe them, you shouldn't risk going to a place where you'll probably be molested. Not going will send a message, and it will also make all those patriarchal MRA rapists sad, because they won't have any feminists to rape. They'll have to go home and rape their tables and chairs.

Womyn should be able to go where ever they want, drunk & high, naked, and wearing a blindfold, and the response of everyone within sigh and earshot should be to rush to their aid!

You obviously haven't read up on your Atheism Plus 101. :naughty:

[Gumby]

Oh man, anyone visit Carrier's blog post about all this recently? He's writing these overly long rebuttals that include mathematical equations and philosophical meanderings about why Shermer is guilty of rape. He's starting to sound like William Lane Craig. Throwing out a bunch of impressive sounding language and numbers to cover up a complete lack of evidence. Seriously, if there was actual evidence Carrier wouldn't have to write such overblown posts. White knight atheist mclovin' clone seriously has his head up his ass.

I wonder if he'd care to point the exact same equations and philosophical meanderings in PZ's and Canuck's direction. After all, they were accused of rape as well. Betcha if Carrier applied the same exact math and musings to them, the result would somehow magically be that PZ and Canuck were innocent. Funny how math and philosophy work :think:

[robnixxo]

Oh man, anyone visit Carrier's blog post about all this recently? He's writing these overly long rebuttals that include mathematical equations and philosophical meanderings about why Shermer is guilty of rape. He's starting to sound like William Lane Craig. Throwing out a bunch of impressive sounding language and numbers to cover up a complete lack of evidence. Seriously, if there was actual evidence Carrier wouldn't have to write such overblown posts. White knight atheist mclovin' clone seriously has his head up his ass.

I wonder if he'd care to point the exact same equations and philosophical meanderings in PZ's and Canuck's direction. After all, they were accused of rape as well. Betcha if Carrier applied the same exact math and musings to them, the result would somehow magically be that PZ and Canuck were innocent. Funny how math and philosophy work :think:

Gotta' buy his books to find out the formulas. (Don't worry he provides the exact location in the book for you to follow along in his posts)

[Gumby]

If you join the Slymepit, your brain will grow!

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-z9lzZZGpn5U/T ... gbrain.jpg

So you're saying Ophelia Benson is a Pitter too?

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd24 ... 2f9bc3.jpg

[robnixxo]

This is a reoccurring thing among the atheist community and there never seems to be any evidence. All of these supposed cases of rape yet no one had the brains to go to the police, and there's no witnesses of strange behavior ever. WTF?

It's just weird. And it freaks me out. There was a chick who said she was raped twice in my local atheist group. Her and her husband are polyamorous (seems to be popular among this group of atheists). This chick also posed nude in some atheist calender, too (Greta Christina was in it, too. Trust me, don't seek it out unless you wanna get sick.)

I'm just wondering how this woman was raped TWICE, both at atheist conventions. There's just too many factors for me to take her and these other self proclaimed victims seriously on their word alone.

Does the skeptic/atheist community just attract these weirdos or what? It's frightening but fascinating at the same time.

It's easy getting raped twice at similar events. The way I would go about it [If I was a chick, of course. Menz can't be raped, as everyone knows], is to attend atheist conferences/group meetings, find out where the partying will be, show up and down several drinks in quick succession, locate the first man to hold his gaze on me for more than 1 second, stumble over and whisper bourbon smelling sweet-nothings into his ear, then drag him up to my room and ride him like a Hitachi Magic Wand 'til I blow chunks on his chest and pass out...

Oh! And the critical part: Remove consent a day, week, or five years later, once my favorite alcoholic Feminist blogger convinces me that I was raep'd, because drunk women aren't allowed to consent, even if they do so enthusiastically.

Patriarchy, penis, misogyny, et cetera....

Dude, after an atheist event we all went to eat somewhere. One of the poly chicks asked me to be a part of her harem. I told her I had a gf. She was all like "i'm just joking, it's okay to say yes". It was after I had a few drinks. OMG. I coulda' been rapped that day.

[James Caruthers]

2) Internet feminists, and women who listen to listen to them, should stop going to these conferences. I'm not saying stop pushing for more sexual harassment policies if you believe that will help. I'm saying, if you believe these FTBloggers, atheist conferences are full of rape, much more so than christian or other secular conferences. Because all these feminists have tales to tell of how they were raped or molested. And if you believe them, you shouldn't risk going to a place where you'll probably be molested. Not going will send a message, and it will also make all those patriarchal MRA rapists sad, because they won't have any feminists to rape. They'll have to go home and rape their tables and chairs.

Womyn should be able to go where ever they want, drunk & high, naked, and wearing a blindfold, and the response of everyone within sigh and earshot should be to rush to their aid!

You obviously haven't read up on your Atheism Plus 101. :naughty:

Based solely on the testimony of these social justice feminists, I would rather be a woman and walk drunk, high, naked and blindfolded down the street than be at an atheist conference. I mean, think of an internet atheist feminist. Now ask yourself, does she have a rape story? :whistle:

See, that is why atheist conferences are the rapiest places in the first world. It seems to me like Ray Comfort may be onto something with his "where do you get your morality without god" rhetoric. Apparently it was belief in mythical figures that was keeping men from raping vocal atheist youtube social justice warrior feminists! I think I'm reconverting, dammit! :pray:

[Ape+lust]

Hey, let's bend Wikipedia until it has an archfem social justice slant! Storming Wikipedia, we'll call it. Greeeeat idea.

You can't just throw waves of women at it and expect it to happen, though. Not while sister punishers range free. You need to cull the chill from the pure:

Recruiting more women will not necessarily ensure that sexism decreases on Wikipedia - women will not necessarily fight against sexism... Wikipedia needs to recruit women, yes, but, more importantly, it needs to recruit feminists. It is feminists - those who have thought about the problems of sexism, have strategies to deal with them, and are willing to engage in such battles, that are willing to challenge the patriarchal structures of knowledge on Wikipedia. And feminists can be of any gender.