Bleeding from the Bunghole

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This is why I find almost everything SJW feminists say impossible to believe. Feminism today has a strong link with post-modernism. Most feminists I meet who are radical will outright tell me this, and that they believe there is no "truth" and anyone's truth is as good as anyone else's.

I don't know how someone could claim to be a skeptic and a post-modernist, the basic idea of skepticism is that there are some kinds of truth that are more accurate than others, and we can find out what those are.

I think a lot of people don't realize how starkly post-modernism opposes the working ideologies used by science to create all the cool shit we have. It pisses me off when brainless professors talk a load of post-modernist shit while using a digital projector in a classroom full of people who got there by driving or taking the bus. Puts me in mind of the old video DPRJones made about VenomFangx, where he pointed out all of the scientific tools that Venom uses every day, which are a by-product of applying scientific methods and ideology to the natural world.

The products of methodological naturalism are all of this cool shit. The products of post-modernism are people who talk a bunch of useless shit. The best I can say of post-modernism is that sometimes it encourages credulous people to be more skeptical of information they receive, even if the underlying ideology is obnoxious.

If you want a laugh, go look up "post-processual" archeology. PoMo infected archeology. :lol:

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I'll be live on National Progressive Talk Radio in 30 minutes! Tune in, consider calling, and join the chat which should soon be available.

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Ape+lust wrote:
bovarchist wrote:Where can I find the original Zvan image?
I had a little time and I was inspired. Sorry for shitty skills.
http://i.imgur.com/7PC2p3I.jpg

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justinvacula wrote:I'll be live on National Progressive Talk Radio in 30 minutes! Tune in, consider calling, and join the chat which should soon be available.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/national-p ... sm-nptr-50
I'll be here live in between periods of the hockey game, then I'm going to grab a bite to eat and go read a book in bed.

My night sounds like more fun than yours.

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Trophy wrote:We all knew it but finally PZ decided to admit it as well.
PZ wrote: On economic issues, atheists as a whole ought to be behind reducing the rich-poor divide — it’s the only rational position to take ...
Ummmm .... nope, reducing the rich-poor divide is not the only rational position to take.

If you are poor, or especially altruistic, or thoroughly selfless, or are trying to get favour with others (see: The Selfish Gene) ... then maybe it is

If you are rich, or selfish, or want to protect the standard of life you and your family holds, or think that people who don't work hard shouldn't be rewarded, then no it is fairly unreasonable

WTF does "lack of belief in gods" have to do with economic policy?


p.s. in reality *most* people in western society actually don't give a fuck about rich/poor other than lip-service, nor do they *really* care about climate change ... these things are too large and abstract to affect our daily lives. When you give away all but a basic living allowance of your income, and destroy all your televisions, computers, dishwashers, cars and heating/AC ... then we can talk about how deeply you care. Reality sucks, but we are pretty much all hypocrites

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Peezus said this today:
If we are going to claim to have positions based on reason and the intelligent interpretation of the evidence, then the climate change denialists, the sexists, the racists, the narcissistic worshippers of the Holy Market…they cannot be regarded as representative. The ones who think the solution to Islamic theocracy is to bomb Muslim countries or deport brown people should be considered as lunatic and beyond the pale as atheists who advocate nuking the Vatican or ostracizing Catholics.
I guess he was talking about this unhinged asshole:
Jebus, what blithering tripe, what pious inanities. This is only the latest atrocity. Fuck the Catholic church. Empty every pew, loot every coffer, disband every level of the hierarchy, take all their property and turn it over to secular authorities to be managed ethically and rationally.

And if you’re still attending church…what the hell is wrong with you?

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Cliché Guevara wrote:Peezus said this today:
If we are going to claim to have positions based on reason and the intelligent interpretation of the evidence, then the climate change denialists, the sexists, the racists, the narcissistic worshippers of the Holy Market…they cannot be regarded as representative. The ones who think the solution to Islamic theocracy is to bomb Muslim countries or deport brown people should be considered as lunatic and beyond the pale as atheists who advocate nuking the Vatican or ostracizing Catholics.
I guess he was talking about this unhinged asshole:
Jebus, what blithering tripe, what pious inanities. This is only the latest atrocity. Fuck the Catholic church. Empty every pew, loot every coffer, disband every level of the hierarchy, take all their property and turn it over to secular authorities to be managed ethically and rationally.

And if you’re still attending church…what the hell is wrong with you?
Nice one.

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Aneris wrote:Mythbusting Service Dog, that was very excellent indeed. Thank you :)
Still catching up on the weekend traffic, but I agree. Excellent work and very informative.

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James Caruthers wrote:
Trophy wrote:We all knew it but finally PZ decided to admit it as well.
PZ wrote: On economic issues, atheists as a whole ought to be behind reducing the rich-poor divide — it’s the only rational position to take ...
PZ wrote:Atheism is ultimately going to have to be a progressive political force, fighting for inclusion, evidence-based policy, humanist values, and the goal of expanding knowledge and power for all. We’re hampered right now by a rather reluctant leadership that tends to focus on pettier issues in the name of unity.
You were one of those "leaders" PZ. Until you blew it up with the kind of stupid reasoning shown in this blog post of yours. You don't get to complain.
He's only half a step from recognizing how unpopular and hated he and his fans are by the larger atheist community, and responding by saying something like "we need a Big Tent approach here in atheism." Despite Carrier, Zvan, PZ and everyone else deliberately reacting against the "big tenters" in atheism with their "don't you call yourself my ally, you fascist fuck!"

In other words, all of PZs political and ideological positions are motivated entirely by self-interest. PZ doesn't seem to understand that he's a poisonous little turd, and so any movement he joins is going to end up focusing on petty bullshit as long as PZ is given a podium to spew from.

Although really, I've noticed the focus on petty non-issues is common in any area that SJW feminism has infected. Student union tries to fight to freeze tuition and give university staff a living wage -> SJW feminists show up -> tell union leaders the union needs to focus on teaching men not to rape. :doh:

And now I sit back and wait for someone to quote me and say I'm claiming rape is a trivial non-issue. Go on, I dare you, I double dare you muthafucka!
Wasn't that what happened with the Occupy movement? People were protesting against corruption on Wall Street, and SJW morons came in and shat it up with Progressive Stacks and whining about Smashing Patriarchy and other nonsense?

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Richard Dawkins delievers as usual. Anyway worth posting, but there is a small nugget on the atheist community and … sexism.

Skip to 32:00 …

[youtube]EWGAg9iGPLQ[/youtube]

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LOL at the juxtaposition of those last 2 videos.

Bit o' update on Skepticon 6:

1) Earlier this month Skepticon 6 organizers announced that they'd met 2 challenge grants, received $2.3K in donations thus will get additional $2K in matching grants. :)
http://skepticon.org/matching-challenge-update

2) Unfortunately, Camp Quest has been cancelled for the conference, as there was only 1 kid registered for it. :(
http://skepticon.org/camp-quest-cancell ... kepticon-6

3) Earlier this month, the Atheism+ didn't have anyone requesting a grant to Skepticon 6. Then someone ("EEB") who hadn't posted at Atheism+ forum in 14 months started another thread 11 days ago saying she was bound & determined to go to Skepticon 6 but couldn't afford lodging, was there a list of people willing to share? But she hasn't posted again. It was announced 2 days later that the fundraiser had garnered $623 all told (after indiegogo fees), and Grimalkin has been trying to give it to EEB, but apparently has not heard back. Plan is to donate funds to Skepticon if the plan to give it to EEB doesn't work out soon.
Skepticon fundraiser thread, from where Andy noticed EEB's thread: http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic ... =50#p95473

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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Aneris wrote:Richard Dawkins delievers as usual. Anyway worth posting, but there is a small nugget on the atheist community and … sexism.

Skip to 32:00 …

[youtube]EWGAg9iGPLQ[/youtube]
Sexism: solved.

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PZ

"We can have a broad tent, but that does not include supporting ideas that conflict with reality".

Oops

"We can have a broad tent, but that does not include supporting ideas that conflict with my reality".

Better now.

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Isn't it kinda sexist to keep the broads in a separate tent?

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Jan Steen wrote:Yemisi is not only the author of hilariously atrocious ‘poetry’, she is also a dogmatic Social Justice Warrior. One of the SJW dogmas is that People of Colour (PoC) cannot be racist and that women cannot be sexist (this sounds like two dogmas but it’s really only one).
Racism just like sexism is prejudice + Power which make it impossible for a race or gender to perpetrate against their race or gender. Contrary to what the female commenter said above, women cannot be sexist towards men or other women. Yes, women can be hostile or practice learned sexism towards other women, just like the ignorant couple I mentioned in my status update perpetrated discrimination against their own race but this cannot qualify as sexism or racism against their kind.
However, Yemisi goes on to say:
Racism cannot be a substituted word for prejudice, unfair treatment or discrimination. Same goes for sexism. Institutionalized Racism, Systemic Racism, and Institutional/Systemic Sexism all have something in common and that is prejudice, privilege + power.
The silly thing is that even if it was 'prejudice + power' - it still wouldn't follow that because there isn't much power that therefore there's no racism. Suppose prejudice has an arbitrary value of 10. Let power be 0. Prejudice + power = 10. A non-zero amount of racism. So even if 'privilege + power' was right, it wouldn't mean that the oppressed can't be racist.

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Polterguest wrote:The silly thing is that even if it was 'prejudice + power' - it still wouldn't follow that because there isn't much power that therefore there's no racism. Suppose prejudice has an arbitrary value of 10. Let power be 0. Prejudice + power = 10. A non-zero amount of racism. So even if 'privilege + power' was right, it wouldn't mean that the oppressed can't be racist.
Tune in next week to Social Justice Math TV when we'll be using some crayons to graph the Nth roots of Patriarchy.

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The latest Justicar video.

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Polterguest wrote:
Jan Steen wrote:Yemisi is not only the author of hilariously atrocious ‘poetry’, she is also a dogmatic Social Justice Warrior. One of the SJW dogmas is that People of Colour (PoC) cannot be racist and that women cannot be sexist (this sounds like two dogmas but it’s really only one).
Racism just like sexism is prejudice + Power which make it impossible for a race or gender to perpetrate against their race or gender. Contrary to what the female commenter said above, women cannot be sexist towards men or other women. Yes, women can be hostile or practice learned sexism towards other women, just like the ignorant couple I mentioned in my status update perpetrated discrimination against their own race but this cannot qualify as sexism or racism against their kind.
However, Yemisi goes on to say:
Racism cannot be a substituted word for prejudice, unfair treatment or discrimination. Same goes for sexism. Institutionalized Racism, Systemic Racism, and Institutional/Systemic Sexism all have something in common and that is prejudice, privilege + power.
The silly thing is that even if it was 'prejudice + power' - it still wouldn't follow that because there isn't much power that therefore there's no racism. Suppose prejudice has an arbitrary value of 10. Let power be 0. Prejudice + power = 10. A non-zero amount of racism. So even if 'privilege + power' was right, it wouldn't mean that the oppressed can't be racist.
When SJ warriors write about 'Prejudice + power' the plus-sign is not to be taken literally. They mean that in their view racism is a two dimensional quantity. In the absence of power there can be no racism, no matter how insane the level of prejudice. They're playing a semantics game.

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This latest (hahaha, Pit joke) Justicar video nailed the lid on the coffin as far as my opinion about Aron's views on feminism go. Loads of bullshit, really.

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Cliché Guevara wrote:Peezus said this today:
If we are going to claim to have positions based on reason and the intelligent interpretation of the evidence, then the climate change denialists, the sexists, the racists, the narcissistic worshippers of the Holy Market…they cannot be regarded as representative. The ones who think the solution to Islamic theocracy is to bomb Muslim countries or deport brown people should be considered as lunatic and beyond the pale as atheists who advocate nuking the Vatican or ostracizing Catholics.
I guess he was talking about this unhinged asshole:
Jebus, what blithering tripe, what pious inanities. This is only the latest atrocity. Fuck the Catholic church. Empty every pew, loot every coffer, disband every level of the hierarchy, take all their property and turn it over to secular authorities to be managed ethically and rationally.

And if you’re still attending church…what the hell is wrong with you?
It's almost as if he's too fucking dumb to realize that a majority of Catholics are "brown people" too.

http://www.prb.org/Publications/Article ... olics.aspx

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The main thing that Justicar video really demonstrates is Aron is a fucking moron when it comes to feminism.

Hey, we're all ignorant and stupid on some issue. But I mean, damn, those audio clips make him sound like a fundamentalist preacher riling up his flock. Arguing dictionary definitions of "feminism" to make it look like anyone who disagrees with feminism for any reason is by definition a sexist. Meanwhile he gets pissed off when creationists argue that evolution is "just a theory" and therefore creationism is by definition "just an alternate theory."

Fucking irony, how does it work?

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She's a real left-winger, cause she been down south and held babies in her arms. She said, "I could tell you stories that could make you cry. What about you?"

I said, "Me too. I could tell you a story that would make you cry."

And she sighed, "Ahh."

I said, "I want to be a singer like Lou Reed."

"I like Lou Reed," she said, sticking her tongue in my ear, "Let's go, let's sit, let's talk. Politics goes so good with beer. And while we're at it, baby, why don't you tell me one of your biggest fears?"

I said, "Losing my penis to a whore with disease." "Just kidding," I said, "losing my life to a whore with disease."

She said, "Excuse me, please?"

I said, "Losing my life to a whore with disease." I said, "Please."

Well, I'm a humble guy with healthy desire. Don't give me no shit because. I've been tired.
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A while back I posted a link to Camile Paglia dissing Judith Butler. When they were growing-up, Butler was a "timorous, mundane, anxious" "little brown mole", who confined herself to the pretentious french section of the library-- while Paglia was engaged in total assault on the culture by any means necessary, including rock and roll, dope, and fucking in the streets. Paglia doesn't like Butler's ivory-tower post-modernism and armchair feminism-- for the same reason the American Indian Movement don't like the Washington Redskins:
Judith Butler is no radical: She is one of the smoothest careerists and veteran conference hoppers in the entire American academic system. She shrewdly adapted to the prevailing chic orthodoxy and became a major player in the ruthless academic marketplace... while the aboriginal Warholites remain ostracized.
Conference hopping armchair feminist PZ Myers blogged a little eulogy for aboriginal warholite Lou Reed: http://www.freezepage.com/1382942049VDBBUIHZEZ

Peezy said when he was 25 years old
There was nothin' happenin' at all
Every time he puts on a radio
There was nothin' goin' down at all, Not at all
Then one fine mornin' Peez puts on a New York station
You know, he don't believe what he heard at all
he started shakin' to that fine fine music
You know his life was saved by rock 'n' roll
Despite all the computations, you know you could just go out
And dance to the rock 'n' roll station
And baby it was alright
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I was born a poor, black child. I am not a bum, I'm a jerk. I once had wealth, power, and the love of a beautiful woman. Now I only have two things. My friends and my thermos. I remember the days sitting on the porch with my family singing and dancing, down in Mississippi...

"Grandma! Grandma! Look! Look at the radio! Turn it up! Turn it up! It's unbelievable! I've never heard music like this before! It speaks to me! Dad, this is unbelievable! Well if this is out there just think how much more is out there! This is the kind of music that tells me to go out there and be somebody!"

"You were left on our doorstep. But we raised you like you were one of us."

"Mother! You mean I'm going to stay this color?"

"I'd love you if you were the color of a baboon's ass."

"Let him go, mother. Son, now that you're going out into the world, there's something you should know. You see that? That's shit. And this: shinola. Now what town are you going to try for first?

"Well I thought I'd try to go to Morris, because that is where that radio program was coming from."

"Remember, the Lord loves a working man. And son, don't never, ever trust whitey. Don't you forget to grow up now. And if you catch it, see a doctor and get rid of it."

"Don't trust whitey. See a doctor and get rid of it. Got it."

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This is all mildly lulzy, Service Dog, but where are you going with all this?

Well-- like PZ Myers-- I was born pretty fucking far from being a Lou Reed kinda guy. I know all about college towns on the tundra, and being surrounded by podunk Lutherans.

And then, yeah, one day I heard some Velvet Underground-- I read about Warhol in a magazine-- I saw Midnight Cowboy-- and at least I knew there was such a thing as a Downtown New York Intellectual Art Sex Drug Scene. But it seemed as distant, unobtainable and unreal... as Dr. Strange's "Sanctum Sanctorum in Greenwich Village," in Marvel Comics.

But, time went by, Alan Ginsberg and Iggy Pop were my East Village neighbors, I kissed Lou Reed in a nightclub once, twice he jaywalked without looking and a cab I was riding-in almost killed him, I got so used to Lou and Laurie as fixtures at prestigious-but-mundane art events/ that (in my head) the wrinkly little Lou Reed in a rumpled suit with whimsically-patterned socks-- wasn't even the same person as the iconic image. Along the way, I became an Aboriginal Warholian. Snorting ketamine off a tranny's silicone tits is just another day at the office. :dance:

So, yeah, PZ-- you wanna pay tribute to Lou Reed for being "subversive", and say Lou's disembodied voice on the radio was your ally against your "conventional" high school principal, fine. Cool story bro, Keep telling yourself that. What ever it takes to convince yourself you don't suck. Gabba gabba hey, you're one of us. But do you realize what an incredibly low bar that is, Peez? That's like me saying I'll count you as 'on my side' if the flesh-eating dead rise from the earth. I don't begrudge you for not being urbane, or even for pretending you are. But I do begrudge you believing your own poser bullshit so much-- that you dare lecture =anybody= on casual sex, alternatives to the heteronormative-genderbinary, free thought, freeze peach, art, diversity, culture, ...fucking life.

Did you ever actually "get a cheap Greyhound ticket and end up in a different kind of bus station in a big city on the other side of the continent", like you daydreamed about?

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Feeling relaxed? Regain your angst and read the comments associated with Canucks beta testing for his subscription plug-in. Jesus.

One question. The value proposition is no adverts when you "subscribe to Freethought Blogs for 30, 90 or 365 days".

Do you get a refund *when* you get banned?

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I just watched the latest tfoot video and I found it quite interesting. But his points on the FTB page views made me wonder: how much of the FTB page views is due to us slymers scouring the place for lolz? I wouldn't be surprised if that's a lot.

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James Caruthers wrote:The main thing that Justicar video really demonstrates is Aron is a fucking moron when it comes to feminism.

Hey, we're all ignorant and stupid on some issue. But I mean, damn, those audio clips make him sound like a fundamentalist preacher riling up his flock. Arguing dictionary definitions of "feminism" to make it look like anyone who disagrees with feminism for any reason is by definition a sexist. Meanwhile he gets pissed off when creationists argue that evolution is "just a theory" and therefore creationism is by definition "just an alternate theory."

Fucking irony, how does it work?
There is a problem existing within the atheist community when people who are "famous on the internet", like Watson or AronRa, or indeed the Atheist Experience bunch, are treated with disproportionate respect. AronRA is internet famous for a serious of videos he made that tackle creationism and in particular creationist arguments regarding biology.
I've watched a couple of his videos and, while they seem competently done, I've never managed to get through to the end of any of them. I put this down to the fact that, unlike AronRA, I happen to be a biologist, and the kinds of arguments needed to defeat creationist biology are at the level of standard highschool science (and so it is somewhat boring for real biologists). An analogy might be to think about the kinds of physics arguments needed to debate a flat-earther - you wouldn't need a PhD in cosmology and if you had one you'd be soon bored to tears hearing the same refutations over and over again.
AronRa's videos give no indication of whether he will be able to tackle complex value based subjects like feminism and it is disheartening to see that he ends up using a patently absurd argument like defining a position where you don't describe yourself as a feminist, as being pro-sexism. Peezus uses the same argument, as do most in their camp and in a way I can't blame them - it is the only argument that makes sense of the rest of their position. But in so doing they force themselves to face some harsh realities - such as the fact that the vast majority of women themselves do not describe themselves as feminist - despite being in favor of equality and against sexism.
And even within FTB itself you have people like Ally Fogg who says he doesn't describe himself as feminist, for the simple reason that the term is not useful due to the fact that there are so many strands of feminism (some that don't all stand for equality.)
Is Ally Fogg in favor of sexism and discrimination?

Justicar makes the same argument that I made a little while back about the dictionary definition(s!) of feminism: namely that it is easy to find definitions that don't necessarily equate to anti-sexism - despite AronRa's claim that there is only one single defnition of the word feminism.
But their whole argument rests on this point - he cannot afford to acknowledge the alternative.

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Trophy wrote:I just watched the latest tfoot video and I found it quite interesting. But his points on the FTB page views made me wonder: how much of the FTB page views is due to us slymers scouring the place for lolz? I wouldn't be surprised if that's a lot.
I doubt that we bring them that much in terms of page views - at least not Pharyngula and Butterflies and Wheels, they will still be getting a lot of views without our clicks.
You could make the argument that we stir up the drama - and they rely on this to get enough hits from others in the community, but even that is not a direct result of the slymepit. Think for a second how many drama posts they make and then compare it to the number of drama posts that mention or target the slymepit. They read us all the time, of that I'm sure, but that's because the pit is the most comprehensive record of the ongoing rifts. But they very rarely write stories about the slymepit.
That is the reason I disagree with the arguments put forward by Gurdur and Damion. They seemed to think that we are driving the drama, rather than reflecting and commenting on it.
I actually think things would be far worse without the slymepit.

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$ervice Dawg! \o/

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Apples wrote:Amazing story from Mother Jones reporter Stephanie Mencimer about Jamie Leigh Jones. She takes responsibility for doing some credulous reporting on the case before really digging into it herself. Justicar appears in the comments.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/magazi ... p?page=all
Wow. Good on her for trying to set the record straight.
From the trailer, Jones called her father, Tom Jones, in Houston, where it was still the middle of the night. He later called Jones’s office looking for her boss and by coincidence got Tumbarella on the phone. He told her his daughter had been gang-raped. Tumbarella was shocked. “I had just got an email from her saying, ‘I had a great night last night, let’s do it again.’ Next thing I know her father’s calling saying she’s been gang-raped,” she told me in an interview.
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Tony Parsehole wrote:
Dick Strawkins wrote:http://i.imgur.com/nXH6vAw.jpg
Love the two sitting either side of Zvan. One looking at her tits and one looking at the sign.
Tits?

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Gefan wrote:[youtube]aZMbTFNp4wI[/youtube]

When he says he was inspired by a song while studying in the US, my first though was; "Shit. I hope it wasn't Tom Petty's Learning to Fly".
Give him some Billy Connolly - yes he was good, then he was a wanker, but now and again...

[youtube]IwooM4yhiiY[/youtube]

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Another data-point added.

Dictionary feminists good.
Dictionary atheists bad.

I'm going to go out on a limb and coin the phrase "Dictionary Tourism"

Dictionary Tourism
noun
Choosing the definition of a word, phrase or idiom that is most convenient either by consulting multiple dictionaries or by choosing amongst multiple definitions, whilst asserting or implying that no other definition exists.

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Service Dog wrote:She's a real left-winger, cause she been down south and held babies in her arms. She said, "I could tell you stories that could make you cry. What about you?"

I said, "Me too. I could tell you a story that would make you cry."

And she sighed, "Ahh."

I said, "I want to be a singer like Lou Reed."

"I like Lou Reed," she said, sticking her tongue in my ear, "Let's go, let's sit, let's talk. Politics goes so good with beer. And while we're at it, baby, why don't you tell me one of your biggest fears?"

I said, "Losing my penis to a whore with disease." "Just kidding," I said, "losing my life to a whore with disease."

She said, "Excuse me, please?"

I said, "Losing my life to a whore with disease." I said, "Please."

Well, I'm a humble guy with healthy desire. Don't give me no shit because. I've been tired.
[youtube]6ve9P3AMbaA[/youtube]

A while back I posted a link to Camile Paglia dissing Judith Butler. When they were growing-up, Butler was a "timorous, mundane, anxious" "little brown mole", who confined herself to the pretentious french section of the library-- while Paglia was engaged in total assault on the culture by any means necessary, including rock and roll, dope, and fucking in the streets. Paglia doesn't like Butler's ivory-tower post-modernism and armchair feminism-- for the same reason the American Indian Movement don't like the Washington Redskins:
Judith Butler is no radical: She is one of the smoothest careerists and veteran conference hoppers in the entire American academic system. She shrewdly adapted to the prevailing chic orthodoxy and became a major player in the ruthless academic marketplace... while the aboriginal Warholites remain ostracized.
Conference hopping armchair feminist PZ Myers blogged a little eulogy for aboriginal warholite Lou Reed: http://www.freezepage.com/1382942049VDBBUIHZEZ

Peezy said when he was 25 years old
There was nothin' happenin' at all
Every time he puts on a radio
There was nothin' goin' down at all, Not at all
Then one fine mornin' Peez puts on a New York station
You know, he don't believe what he heard at all
he started shakin' to that fine fine music
You know his life was saved by rock 'n' roll
Despite all the computations, you know you could just go out
And dance to the rock 'n' roll station
And baby it was alright
[youtube]PqBWi4lhqh8[/youtube]


I was born a poor, black child. I am not a bum, I'm a jerk. I once had wealth, power, and the love of a beautiful woman. Now I only have two things. My friends and my thermos. I remember the days sitting on the porch with my family singing and dancing, down in Mississippi...

"Grandma! Grandma! Look! Look at the radio! Turn it up! Turn it up! It's unbelievable! I've never heard music like this before! It speaks to me! Dad, this is unbelievable! Well if this is out there just think how much more is out there! This is the kind of music that tells me to go out there and be somebody!"

"You were left on our doorstep. But we raised you like you were one of us."

"Mother! You mean I'm going to stay this color?"

"I'd love you if you were the color of a baboon's ass."

"Let him go, mother. Son, now that you're going out into the world, there's something you should know. You see that? That's shit. And this: shinola. Now what town are you going to try for first?

"Well I thought I'd try to go to Morris, because that is where that radio program was coming from."

"Remember, the Lord loves a working man. And son, don't never, ever trust whitey. Don't you forget to grow up now. And if you catch it, see a doctor and get rid of it."

"Don't trust whitey. See a doctor and get rid of it. Got it."

http://ak1.ostkcdn.com/images/products/ ... 992903.JPG
http://i.imgur.com/FlHApVL.jpg


This is all mildly lulzy, Service Dog, but where are you going with all this?

Well-- like PZ Myers-- I was born pretty fucking far from being a Lou Reed kinda guy. I know all about college towns on the tundra, and being surrounded by podunk Lutherans.

And then, yeah, one day I heard some Velvet Underground-- I read about Warhol in a magazine-- I saw Midnight Cowboy-- and at least I knew there was such a thing as a Downtown New York Intellectual Art Sex Drug Scene. But it seemed as distant, unobtainable and unreal... as Dr. Strange's "Sanctum Sanctorum in Greenwich Village," in Marvel Comics.

But, time went by, Alan Ginsberg and Iggy Pop were my East Village neighbors, I kissed Lou Reed in a nightclub once, twice he jaywalked without looking and a cab I was riding-in almost killed him, I got so used to Lou and Laurie as fixtures at prestigious-but-mundane art events/ that (in my head) the wrinkly little Lou Reed in a rumpled suit with whimsically-patterned socks-- wasn't even the same person as the iconic image. Along the way, I became an Aboriginal Warholian. Snorting ketamine off a tranny's silicone tits is just another day at the office. :dance:

So, yeah, PZ-- you wanna pay tribute to Lou Reed for being "subversive", and say Lou's disembodied voice on the radio was your ally against your "conventional" high school principal, fine. Cool story bro, Keep telling yourself that. What ever it takes to convince yourself you don't suck. Gabba gabba hey, you're one of us. But do you realize what an incredibly low bar that is, Peez? That's like me saying I'll count you as 'on my side' if the flesh-eating dead rise from the earth. I don't begrudge you for not being urbane, or even for pretending you are. But I do begrudge you believing your own poser bullshit so much-- that you dare lecture =anybody= on casual sex, alternatives to the heteronormative-genderbinary, free thought, freeze peach, art, diversity, culture, ...fucking life.

Did you ever actually "get a cheap Greyhound ticket and end up in a different kind of bus station in a big city on the other side of the continent", like you daydreamed about?
Bra-fucking-vo dude, in all sincerity.

You nailed why I just laugh when the derps talk about how radical they are, how "fight the power" they are, how hard their lives were growing up.

All that angst, and the best they can be is a z-list collection of minnesota morons.

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Service Dog wrote:PZ Myers' October 24 blog has left me disoriented.
http://www.freezepage.com/1382885258SNJEXCCNZF

PZ mocks a chart depicting Social Market Value (or SMV), the relative sexual attractiveness of populations of humans, based on various criteria:
https://rationalmale.files.wordpress.co ... =490&h=240

I don't understand PZ's disdain for the chart's basic conclusion: that our society values women for being young and pretty, and doesn't hold men to the same standard-- allowing old, ugly men to buy desirability with money and power; thus women face a social "expiration date". How is that different from PZ's feminist beliefs?

PZ also cites individual opinions as contrary to the chart. PZ seems to think that, if one man considers Scarlett Johannson unattractive, that single data-point invalidates the chart's finding that most men consider her attractive.

I understand that the methodology used to construct the SMV chart may be specious. But it seems to me that PZ's stated objections to the methodology would also apply to vast swaths of social sciences. For example, PZ praised AronRa's Sexy Secularism presentation, which included WomanStats.org's color-coded map of the world:
http://womanstats.org/laststatics/combi ... e20113.png

AronRa claimed the map depicted the "occurrence of rape", but actually the map depicts a "Combined Scale" of the prevalence "and Sanction" of rape and sexual assault of women, "adjusted for Laws, Taboos, and rates"

How does one objectively measure "sanction" of rape? How does one "adjust" for "Laws" and "Taboos"? Should AronRa be using a chart that's "adjusted for rates" to depict rape rates? The chart's codebook reveals that "social acceptance and prevalence of pornography" is a variable used to measure "Sanction" of rape of women. Is there a legitimate positive correlation between access to porn and sanction of rape?

Much like how the Bechdel Test only measures whether a movie passes the Bechdel Test; I contend that the rape map only depicts the assumptions of its feminist makers, not the assumptions of the nations on the map. I see no difference between my objection and the objection PZ raises to the SMV chart in his follow-up post. He complains that the chart only depicts the Results of the SMV survey "and doesn't actually measure anything." http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... is-survey/

PZ also complains that the vertical axis on the SMV chart, is "dimensionless", arbitrarily broken into 10 units. How is that different from the 5 unit color scale on the rape map. Why 5? How were the cut-off points between the colors determined?
Measurement is THE fundamental problem with the "social sciences" and psychology. The attempt to substitute the measurement of a physical quantity (time, number, GSR etc etc) for another supposed quality is dependent on whether or not you accept that the physical quantity is a real measure of the hypothesised one. Once you have a set of measurements, you're off - maths ahoy! But until you do, you are still all about anecdotes and "subjective" "measures" (please!). At least the "feminist stats" people admit their figures are crap - not that they'd put it that way, no doubt preferring that their "adjustments" make their made up numbers "truer" than mere male numbers. though how they would know that on any empirical grounds is, let's say, obscure...

The social sciences, and psych, have been (and continue) to kid themselves they have real measurement. Some folks believe them because it seems better than guesswork and opinion, but that has yet to be demonstrated.

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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Stunt Whisper wrote:
Ape+lust wrote:
bovarchist wrote:Where can I find the original Zvan image?
I had a little time and I was inspired. Sorry for shitty skills.
http://i.imgur.com/7PC2p3I.jpg
Just don't use the words "huge" or "zvanitee" and damion will probably let you live.

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Kinda poignant.

http://www.skepticink.com/nocrossnocres ... e-problem/

Trying to think how PZ would put a liberal slant on this one, and failing.

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Service Dog wrote:She's a real left-winger, cause she been down south and held babies in her arms. She said, "I could tell you stories that could make you cry. What about you?"

I said, "Me too. I could tell you a story that would make you cry."

And she sighed, "Ahh."

I said, "I want to be a singer like Lou Reed."

"I like Lou Reed," she said, sticking her tongue in my ear, "Let's go, let's sit, let's talk. Politics goes so good with beer. And while we're at it, baby, why don't you tell me one of your biggest fears?"

I said, "Losing my penis to a whore with disease." "Just kidding," I said, "losing my life to a whore with disease."

She said, "Excuse me, please?"

I said, "Losing my life to a whore with disease." I said, "Please."

Well, I'm a humble guy with healthy desire. Don't give me no shit because. I've been tired.
[youtube]6ve9P3AMbaA[/youtube]

A while back I posted a link to Camile Paglia dissing Judith Butler. When they were growing-up, Butler was a "timorous, mundane, anxious" "little brown mole", who confined herself to the pretentious french section of the library-- while Paglia was engaged in total assault on the culture by any means necessary, including rock and roll, dope, and fucking in the streets. Paglia doesn't like Butler's ivory-tower post-modernism and armchair feminism-- for the same reason the American Indian Movement don't like the Washington Redskins:
Judith Butler is no radical: She is one of the smoothest careerists and veteran conference hoppers in the entire American academic system. She shrewdly adapted to the prevailing chic orthodoxy and became a major player in the ruthless academic marketplace... while the aboriginal Warholites remain ostracized.
Conference hopping armchair feminist PZ Myers blogged a little eulogy for aboriginal warholite Lou Reed: http://www.freezepage.com/1382942049VDBBUIHZEZ

Peezy said when he was 25 years old
There was nothin' happenin' at all
Every time he puts on a radio
There was nothin' goin' down at all, Not at all
Then one fine mornin' Peez puts on a New York station
You know, he don't believe what he heard at all
he started shakin' to that fine fine music
You know his life was saved by rock 'n' roll
Despite all the computations, you know you could just go out
And dance to the rock 'n' roll station
And baby it was alright
[youtube]PqBWi4lhqh8[/youtube]


I was born a poor, black child. I am not a bum, I'm a jerk. I once had wealth, power, and the love of a beautiful woman. Now I only have two things. My friends and my thermos. I remember the days sitting on the porch with my family singing and dancing, down in Mississippi...

"Grandma! Grandma! Look! Look at the radio! Turn it up! Turn it up! It's unbelievable! I've never heard music like this before! It speaks to me! Dad, this is unbelievable! Well if this is out there just think how much more is out there! This is the kind of music that tells me to go out there and be somebody!"

"You were left on our doorstep. But we raised you like you were one of us."

"Mother! You mean I'm going to stay this color?"

"I'd love you if you were the color of a baboon's ass."

"Let him go, mother. Son, now that you're going out into the world, there's something you should know. You see that? That's shit. And this: shinola. Now what town are you going to try for first?

"Well I thought I'd try to go to Morris, because that is where that radio program was coming from."

"Remember, the Lord loves a working man. And son, don't never, ever trust whitey. Don't you forget to grow up now. And if you catch it, see a doctor and get rid of it."

"Don't trust whitey. See a doctor and get rid of it. Got it."

http://ak1.ostkcdn.com/images/products/ ... 992903.JPG
http://i.imgur.com/FlHApVL.jpg


This is all mildly lulzy, Service Dog, but where are you going with all this?

Well-- like PZ Myers-- I was born pretty fucking far from being a Lou Reed kinda guy. I know all about college towns on the tundra, and being surrounded by podunk Lutherans.

And then, yeah, one day I heard some Velvet Underground-- I read about Warhol in a magazine-- I saw Midnight Cowboy-- and at least I knew there was such a thing as a Downtown New York Intellectual Art Sex Drug Scene. But it seemed as distant, unobtainable and unreal... as Dr. Strange's "Sanctum Sanctorum in Greenwich Village," in Marvel Comics.

But, time went by, Alan Ginsberg and Iggy Pop were my East Village neighbors, I kissed Lou Reed in a nightclub once, twice he jaywalked without looking and a cab I was riding-in almost killed him, I got so used to Lou and Laurie as fixtures at prestigious-but-mundane art events/ that (in my head) the wrinkly little Lou Reed in a rumpled suit with whimsically-patterned socks-- wasn't even the same person as the iconic image. Along the way, I became an Aboriginal Warholian. Snorting ketamine off a tranny's silicone tits is just another day at the office. :dance:

So, yeah, PZ-- you wanna pay tribute to Lou Reed for being "subversive", and say Lou's disembodied voice on the radio was your ally against your "conventional" high school principal, fine. Cool story bro, Keep telling yourself that. What ever it takes to convince yourself you don't suck. Gabba gabba hey, you're one of us. But do you realize what an incredibly low bar that is, Peez? That's like me saying I'll count you as 'on my side' if the flesh-eating dead rise from the earth. I don't begrudge you for not being urbane, or even for pretending you are. But I do begrudge you believing your own poser bullshit so much-- that you dare lecture =anybody= on casual sex, alternatives to the heteronormative-genderbinary, free thought, freeze peach, art, diversity, culture, ...fucking life.

Did you ever actually "get a cheap Greyhound ticket and end up in a different kind of bus station in a big city on the other side of the continent", like you daydreamed about?
Just like Sister Rae said...

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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You don't understand, numbers are all patriarchal and masculinist imperialists! I started doing some math, and the number 1 was just sitting there, proudly standing erect, like a penis. It looked like it was going to rape me. And what about that computer code, huh?

10100101010100010101010010010101001010001
^LOOK AT THIS!!! You think this is just computer code? Nonsense! It's a depiction of rape! The 0s look like vaginas, and the 1s look like penises. All the computer code built by MEN is just a digital representation of the male desire to rape women! It's totally phallocentric oppression!

And what about addition? 1+0= RAPE! Again, penis raping a vagina, represented by 1 and 0. Totally oppressive. Subtraction is a little better, at least in that case, the evil patriarchal men are simulating a penis leaving a vagina, like maybe it finished raping that number 0 and now it's done. So a little better, not much.

Don't even get me started on long division, all those penises being divided into those multiple vaginas. Or multiplication, with all of those penises endlessly multiplying until the world is covered in slobbering dongs.

Numbers are patriarchy! This is why our feminist statistics must take into account not only the patriarchal cisgendered numbered representations of data points, but how those points of data make us FEEL. So if I do a poll on the number of rape victims and find the number of reported rapes is much lower in the US than in some other part of the world, I also have to factor in that I live in the US, and this makes me FEEL much more unsafe than if I were living in that place with all the oppressed minorities who have different skin color. And when I read that 90% of workplace deaths are men, that makes me FEEL pissed off at stupid MRAs for talking about TEH POOR MENZ, so I factor in my PoMo number calculations and get 11.7% workplace deaths are men, and women are so much more oppressed than men in workplace environments!

So remember sisters, always remember to factor in your PoMo feminist genderqueer numbers to counteract the skewing effect of patriarchal "facts." And stop using 1s and 0s in your math, it triggers me.

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James Caruthers wrote:You don't understand, numbers are all patriarchal and masculinist imperialists! I started doing some math, and the number 1 was just sitting there, proudly standing erect, like a penis. It looked like it was going to rape me. And what about that computer code, huh?

10100101010100010101010010010101001010001
^LOOK AT THIS!!! You think this is just computer code? Nonsense! It's a depiction of rape! The 0s look like vaginas, and the 1s look like penises. All the computer code built by MEN is just a digital representation of the male desire to rape women! It's totally phallocentric oppression!

And what about addition? 1+0= RAPE! Again, penis raping a vagina, represented by 1 and 0. Totally oppressive. Subtraction is a little better, at least in that case, the evil patriarchal men are simulating a penis leaving a vagina, like maybe it finished raping that number 0 and now it's done. So a little better, not much.

Don't even get me started on long division, all those penises being divided into those multiple vaginas. Or multiplication, with all of those penises endlessly multiplying until the world is covered in slobbering dongs.

Numbers are patriarchy! This is why our feminist statistics must take into account not only the patriarchal cisgendered numbered representations of data points, but how those points of data make us FEEL. So if I do a poll on the number of rape victims and find the number of reported rapes is much lower in the US than in some other part of the world, I also have to factor in that I live in the US, and this makes me FEEL much more unsafe than if I were living in that place with all the oppressed minorities who have different skin color. And when I read that 90% of workplace deaths are men, that makes me FEEL pissed off at stupid MRAs for talking about TEH POOR MENZ, so I factor in my PoMo number calculations and get 11.7% workplace deaths are men, and women are so much more oppressed than men in workplace environments!

So remember sisters, always remember to factor in your PoMo feminist genderqueer numbers to counteract the skewing effect of patriarchal "facts." And stop using 1s and 0s in your math, it triggers me.
While I am completely willing to accept your satire of feminist loonies James, I just want to make sure that many extremely serious and well regarded social/psychological theories are not being overlooked in the rush to tar the obvious idiots. What humanity doesn't know about itself would fill many books, and does so every year. The wilful idiots, of course, deserve special condemnation.

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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Service Dog wrote:She's a real left-winger, cause she been down south and held babies in her arms. She said, "I could tell you stories that could make you cry. What about you?"

I said, "Me too. I could tell you a story that would make you cry."

And she sighed, "Ahh."

I said, "I want to be a singer like Lou Reed."

"I like Lou Reed," she said, sticking her tongue in my ear, "Let's go, let's sit, let's talk. Politics goes so good with beer. And while we're at it, baby, why don't you tell me one of your biggest fears?"

I said, "Losing my penis to a whore with disease." "Just kidding," I said, "losing my life to a whore with disease."

She said, "Excuse me, please?"

I said, "Losing my life to a whore with disease." I said, "Please."

Well, I'm a humble guy with healthy desire. Don't give me no shit because. I've been tired.
[youtube]6ve9P3AMbaA[/youtube]

A while back I posted a link to Camile Paglia dissing Judith Butler. When they were growing-up, Butler was a "timorous, mundane, anxious" "little brown mole", who confined herself to the pretentious french section of the library-- while Paglia was engaged in total assault on the culture by any means necessary, including rock and roll, dope, and fucking in the streets. Paglia doesn't like Butler's ivory-tower post-modernism and armchair feminism-- for the same reason the American Indian Movement don't like the Washington Redskins:
Judith Butler is no radical: She is one of the smoothest careerists and veteran conference hoppers in the entire American academic system. She shrewdly adapted to the prevailing chic orthodoxy and became a major player in the ruthless academic marketplace... while the aboriginal Warholites remain ostracized.
Conference hopping armchair feminist PZ Myers blogged a little eulogy for aboriginal warholite Lou Reed: http://www.freezepage.com/1382942049VDBBUIHZEZ

Peezy said when he was 25 years old
There was nothin' happenin' at all
Every time he puts on a radio
There was nothin' goin' down at all, Not at all
Then one fine mornin' Peez puts on a New York station
You know, he don't believe what he heard at all
he started shakin' to that fine fine music
You know his life was saved by rock 'n' roll
Despite all the computations, you know you could just go out
And dance to the rock 'n' roll station
And baby it was alright
[youtube]PqBWi4lhqh8[/youtube]


I was born a poor, black child. I am not a bum, I'm a jerk. I once had wealth, power, and the love of a beautiful woman. Now I only have two things. My friends and my thermos. I remember the days sitting on the porch with my family singing and dancing, down in Mississippi...

"Grandma! Grandma! Look! Look at the radio! Turn it up! Turn it up! It's unbelievable! I've never heard music like this before! It speaks to me! Dad, this is unbelievable! Well if this is out there just think how much more is out there! This is the kind of music that tells me to go out there and be somebody!"

"You were left on our doorstep. But we raised you like you were one of us."

"Mother! You mean I'm going to stay this color?"

"I'd love you if you were the color of a baboon's ass."

"Let him go, mother. Son, now that you're going out into the world, there's something you should know. You see that? That's shit. And this: shinola. Now what town are you going to try for first?

"Well I thought I'd try to go to Morris, because that is where that radio program was coming from."

"Remember, the Lord loves a working man. And son, don't never, ever trust whitey. Don't you forget to grow up now. And if you catch it, see a doctor and get rid of it."

"Don't trust whitey. See a doctor and get rid of it. Got it."

http://ak1.ostkcdn.com/images/products/ ... 992903.JPG
http://i.imgur.com/FlHApVL.jpg


This is all mildly lulzy, Service Dog, but where are you going with all this?

Well-- like PZ Myers-- I was born pretty fucking far from being a Lou Reed kinda guy. I know all about college towns on the tundra, and being surrounded by podunk Lutherans.

And then, yeah, one day I heard some Velvet Underground-- I read about Warhol in a magazine-- I saw Midnight Cowboy-- and at least I knew there was such a thing as a Downtown New York Intellectual Art Sex Drug Scene. But it seemed as distant, unobtainable and unreal... as Dr. Strange's "Sanctum Sanctorum in Greenwich Village," in Marvel Comics.

But, time went by, Alan Ginsberg and Iggy Pop were my East Village neighbors, I kissed Lou Reed in a nightclub once, twice he jaywalked without looking and a cab I was riding-in almost killed him, I got so used to Lou and Laurie as fixtures at prestigious-but-mundane art events/ that (in my head) the wrinkly little Lou Reed in a rumpled suit with whimsically-patterned socks-- wasn't even the same person as the iconic image. Along the way, I became an Aboriginal Warholian. Snorting ketamine off a tranny's silicone tits is just another day at the office. :dance:

So, yeah, PZ-- you wanna pay tribute to Lou Reed for being "subversive", and say Lou's disembodied voice on the radio was your ally against your "conventional" high school principal, fine. Cool story bro, Keep telling yourself that. What ever it takes to convince yourself you don't suck. Gabba gabba hey, you're one of us. But do you realize what an incredibly low bar that is, Peez? That's like me saying I'll count you as 'on my side' if the flesh-eating dead rise from the earth. I don't begrudge you for not being urbane, or even for pretending you are. But I do begrudge you believing your own poser bullshit so much-- that you dare lecture =anybody= on casual sex, alternatives to the heteronormative-genderbinary, free thought, freeze peach, art, diversity, culture, ...fucking life.

Did you ever actually "get a cheap Greyhound ticket and end up in a different kind of bus station in a big city on the other side of the continent", like you daydreamed about?
Nice piece of writing.
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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Dick Strawkins wrote: There is a problem existing within the atheist community when people who are "famous on the internet", like Watson or AronRa, or indeed the Atheist Experience bunch, are treated with disproportionate respect. AronRA is internet famous for a serious of videos he made that tackle creationism and in particular creationist arguments regarding biology.
I've watched a couple of his videos and, while they seem competently done, I've never managed to get through to the end of any of them. I put this down to the fact that, unlike AronRA, I happen to be a biologist, and the kinds of arguments needed to defeat creationist biology are at the level of standard highschool science (and so it is somewhat boring for real biologists).
I completely agree. Debunking creationism is not that hard. Once you rise above the retarded level of science education of the general public, everyone accepts evolution and laughs at the creationists. People enjoy Aronra's videos because he spends a lot of time making them, he's eloquent in them, and digs up the facts. In the same vein, being an atheist is also not a great achievement and fawning over Dawkin's God Delusion as if great intelligent was needed to figure it out is ridiculous. It's not Dawkin's greatest intellectual achievement.

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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Service Dog wrote:This is all mildly lulzy, Service Dog, but where are you going with all this?

Well-- like PZ Myers-- I was born pretty fucking far from being a Lou Reed kinda guy. I know all about college towns on the tundra, and being surrounded by podunk Lutherans.

And then, yeah, one day I heard some Velvet Underground-- I read about Warhol in a magazine-- I saw Midnight Cowboy-- and at least I knew there was such a thing as a Downtown New York Intellectual Art Sex Drug Scene. But it seemed as distant, unobtainable and unreal... as Dr. Strange's "Sanctum Sanctorum in Greenwich Village," in Marvel Comics.

But, time went by, Alan Ginsberg and Iggy Pop were my East Village neighbors, I kissed Lou Reed in a nightclub once, twice he jaywalked without looking and a cab I was riding-in almost killed him, I got so used to Lou and Laurie as fixtures at prestigious-but-mundane art events/ that (in my head) the wrinkly little Lou Reed in a rumpled suit with whimsically-patterned socks-- wasn't even the same person as the iconic image. Along the way, I became an Aboriginal Warholian. Snorting ketamine off a tranny's silicone tits is just another day at the office. :dance:

So, yeah, PZ-- you wanna pay tribute to Lou Reed for being "subversive", and say Lou's disembodied voice on the radio was your ally against your "conventional" high school principal, fine. Cool story bro, Keep telling yourself that. What ever it takes to convince yourself you don't suck. Gabba gabba hey, you're one of us. But do you realize what an incredibly low bar that is, Peez? That's like me saying I'll count you as 'on my side' if the flesh-eating dead rise from the earth. I don't begrudge you for not being urbane, or even for pretending you are. But I do begrudge you believing your own poser bullshit so much-- that you dare lecture =anybody= on casual sex, alternatives to the heteronormative-genderbinary, free thought, freeze peach, art, diversity, culture, ...fucking life.

Did you ever actually "get a cheap Greyhound ticket and end up in a different kind of bus station in a big city on the other side of the continent", like you daydreamed about?
Hear hear! PZ is about as streetwise as the rural roadkill he played with as a child.

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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Brive1987 wrote:Kinda poignant.

http://www.skepticink.com/nocrossnocres ... e-problem/

Trying to think how PZ would put a liberal slant on this one, and failing.
I've always been conflicted about Islam myself.

Doctrinally there's really nothing in the Koran that's of any measurable depth worse than what you can find in the Bible. They're both morally bankrupt tomes that advocate the most heinous of atrocities as punishments for trivial "crimes."

So if it's not the doctrine itself it just comes down to the practitioners. And noting that "moderate" Muslims are still pretty damn extreme doesn't really explain why.

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Brive1987 wrote:Feeling relaxed? Regain your angst and read the comments associated with Canucks beta testing for his subscription plug-in. Jesus.

One question. The value proposition is no adverts when you "subscribe to Freethought Blogs for 30, 90 or 365 days".

Do you get a refund *when* you get banned?
Wandered over to the Lousy Cunt's to check out that thread, in which it becomes clear that the Thimbledick has been spending so much time heading up the healthcare.gov rollout that he hasn't had time to get anything right at FTB. *rimshot*

I noticed that his top post was titled, "Lila Rose, anti-abortionist, tries to steal Malala Yousafzai’s activist cred," linking to this video and saying, "If you ever decide to unironically compare yourself to a civil rights activist who has risked everything and (almost) lost it all while fighting for, say, a woman’s right to be educated, and your cause is as patently uncivil as preventing women from choosing what to do with their bodies, expect to get laughed at and mocked. A lot."

So I clicked over to confirm that the sky is blue and enjoy a takedown of a hapless godbot. Turns out Canuck can't even score a texas bullseye:

"A lot of people have called us at Live Action brave, and said, 'you're doing great work.' But I want to tell you about a girl who inspires me, who I think is very brave, truly brave."

Even if it's false modesty, comparing yourself unfavorably to someone with more fame and credibility than you by saying "people call us 'X' but I want to talk about someone who is truly 'X'" doesn't count as "stealing their cred." If Canuck needs a genuine example of hubris, he need look no further than next-door. PZ's explicit self-nomination as the 'fifth horseman' aside the likes of Hitchens and Dawkins is a rather more egregious example of opportunistic coattail riding.

When you can't even manage a direct hit in the whackamole game of nailing a nutty rightwinger, you are truly bumping along the bottom.

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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screwtape wrote:
Service Dog wrote:PZ Myers' October 24 blog has left me disoriented.
http://www.freezepage.com/1382885258SNJEXCCNZF

PZ mocks a chart depicting Social Market Value (or SMV), the relative sexual attractiveness of populations of humans, based on various criteria:
https://rationalmale.files.wordpress.co ... =490&h=240
Even on the originating site there is no indication of where this data comes from, and I suspect it is made up and Peezus is probably right to complain about it (although he doesn't complain about that particular aspect, merely that there are no units on the Y axis). Having said that, it looks roughly as I would expect such a graph to look if a survey were to be conducted. I don't see what the politically correct position is to be on this. Shall we be shocked and horrified that young women are considered attractive? - perhaps. That, unfairly, men 15 years older reach their peak attractiveness? - perhaps. Or should we use this to learn something completely unsurprising about what evolutionary processes have found likely to work? - definitely. None of that is either new or interesting. But does Peezus now want us to change our tastes to be more 'fair'? I'm not sure I can as these things tend to be unconscious processes in the older parts of our brains. I can't suddenly reprogram my hindbrain to become sexually aroused by wrinkles and sagging flesh because it's more socially just - goddamn it, I can't quite manage it for my wife who would benefit the most from it. This goes against the requirements of evolution, where sexual attractiveness in females is to do with fertility, and in males to do with ability to provide. If it's any consolation to the SJWs, I'm 20 years past my peak (as this graphic would have it) and it's all rather theoretical anyway to me.

Even if the chart is 'made up' there is very blindly obviousness about it. Women search for different things in dating/mating than men and tend to prefer older guys. An older guy can still father children, is likely to have established himself and settled into the 'right kind of life' and has matured.

And this makes sense when you realize that the SCIENCE of brain development has demonstrated that, as populations, the female brain emotional centers mature at 22 while the male brain doesn't mature until 30. Eight years difference. And women seem to recognize this without any outside 'help' to point it out. Which is why, until their 70s, they have strong dating-preference for older men.


Yet even though women seek out older men, they're not socially punished/attacked by feminists for this behavior. On the flip side, men are routinely pilloried for their seeking out younger women. Even though both populations are, in fact, acting as they see fit and as it makes the best sense from the very natural reproductive, emotional and financial positions of the population.

No matter how many SJWs try to beat us into submission and pretend we're the 'same' and it's all just 'culture.' It's not. And as far as I'm concerned they need to deal with it and stop pointing fingers. Biology is biology and doesn't give a fuck about anyone's feelings of SJWness and what 'should' be.

And I should think a 'scientist' who is a 'biologist' might, before he fucking pontificates on some chart that goes against his Holy Church of Feminist Doctrine, familiarize himself with research that's now (a) well-established and (b) (some of it) now decades old.

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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Trophy wrote: In the same vein, being an atheist is also not a great achievement and fawning over Dawkin's God Delusion as if great intelligent was needed to figure it out is ridiculous. It's not Dawkin's greatest intellectual achievement.
Is there much fawning over 'The God Delusion'?
To me it seems a competently written book that lays out the arguments against religion in a simple manner but it is hardly without flaw. It is, I guess, effective in that it seems to be a great target for apologists, and as such probably attracts quite a few religious people who 'want to know one's enemy' and instead find themselves unable to answer its points and thus questioning their faith.
I've never really seen atheists revering the book as some sort of masterpiece - I've seen far more praise for 'The Selfish Gene' and 'The Ancestors Tale'.

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Trophy wrote:I completely agree. Debunking creationism is not that hard. Once you rise above the retarded level of science education of the general public, everyone accepts evolution and laughs at the creationists. People enjoy Aronra's videos because he spends a lot of time making them, he's eloquent in them, and digs up the facts. In the same vein, being an atheist is also not a great achievement and fawning over Dawkin's God Delusion as if great intelligent was needed to figure it out is ridiculous. It's not Dawkin's greatest intellectual achievement.
The value is that they're short and digestable with minimal filler. You can get someone to watch a video or read Dawkins' book and plant the seed of doubt, and it's much easier than trying to go through the litany of arguments yourself. "Watch this." "Read this." And you're done and can go spend your time more productively.

And of course The God Delusion isn't some great intellectual treatise. It's written to be simple and accessible to everyone. And this is why it's been one of the most effective books in its class at actually reaching and converting theists.

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https://medium.com/rationally-speaking/a00df9c422af

Guess who Massimo Pigliucci is talking about here:
The guy writes too much, is too long winded, far too obnoxious for me to be able to withstand reading him for more than a few minutes at a time, and frankly my interest in the subject matter just isn’t strong enough to overcome all of the above.

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Dick Strawkins wrote:https://medium.com/rationally-speaking/a00df9c422af

Guess who Massimo Pigliucci is talking about here:
The guy writes too much, is too long winded, far too obnoxious for me to be able to withstand reading him for more than a few minutes at a time, and frankly my interest in the subject matter just isn’t strong enough to overcome all of the above.
Without looking, I'd guess Carrier. This is from one of the backchannel emails cited in Thunderf00t's video:
I concur with all that Natalie says. If he is coming on board, at the very least a requirement of that should be his apologizing to Laci with a real self-knowledge mea culpa to her reflecting the empathy and insight Natalie is expecting from a fellow blogger. Imagine the backchannel being joined by someone whose values look to align with ERV more than us. Run some predictive metrics on that.
Who writes such ungainly pomp in email? Run some predictive metrics -- WTF?

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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Dick Strawkins wrote:https://medium.com/rationally-speaking/a00df9c422af

Guess who Massimo Pigliucci is talking about here:
The guy writes too much, is too long winded, far too obnoxious for me to be able to withstand reading him for more than a few minutes at a time, and frankly my interest in the subject matter just isn’t strong enough to overcome all of the above.
I guessed correctly.

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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Skep tickle wrote:Several interesting talks at CFI Summit today, including one by Leonard Mlodinow on unconscious processing in the brain.

Interesting stuff. I'd heard much of the content before but it was particularly interesting to have a bunch of info on ways our brains trick us in one hour-long talk. He opened with having the audience participate in two demonstrations, that turned out (at the end) to be about anchoring and the foibles of even short-term memory.

One part was about how even brief touching can influence a person's immediately subsequent decisions & actions. Several (3 as I recall) examples were given of situations that have been studied; the first was done in France, of a young adult man going up to young adult women on the street, telling them they're pretty, & he doesn't have time now but could he get their phone number to call them later about getting together (for dinner, I think).

My wife and I used to go out for coffee near Vanderbilt when we were still in Nashville. I used to, when we were out, point out who was going to be 'successful' (ie, they were likely going to 'do it') on a date and who wasn't )going home alone) by watching them interact at the table.

Hand touching over the table was the key. And it's an interesting dance.
At least one blogger has posted about that example, expressing puzzlement, and also that it's interesting to be puzzled: http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterfliesandwheels

Several respondents to that blog post have expressed their opinions, including a couple who express the opinion that touching without express permission is not okay and/or that it's counter-intuitive that touch should increase the likelihood the woman would agree to give her phone number; two who say they'd like to see the paper (actually, one would like to see the paper & the other would like to see "the peer reviews"); then eventually a couple of people who say it makes sense to them. Then finally (currently) the discussion turns to to how con men & similar people will use this to their advantage - or already are.

If anyone from that blog happens to stumble across this post and is still wondering about that topic, they might find it interesting that there's more information available about the study in question, and about cultural differences in expectations about touch between people in different countries. All bolding below was added by me.

1) Googled the phrase "French study on reaction to touch" (without quote marks); there are a bunch of similar phrases that turn up similar results. My top and third search results are linked below.

2) The top search hit (for me at least, I know Google tailors the results) is this: http://greatergood.berkeley.edu/article ... n_research
...some Western cultures are pretty touch-deprived, and this is especially true of the United States.

Ethologists who live in different parts world quickly recognize this. Nonhuman primates spend about 10 to 20 percent of their waking day grooming each other. If you go to various other countries, people spend a lot of time in direct physical contact with one another—much more than we (in the US) do.

This has been well-documented.
One of my favorite examples is a study from the 1960s by pioneering psychologist Sidney Jourard, who studied the conversations of friends in different parts of the world as they sat in a café together. He observed these conversations for the same amount of time in each of the different countries.

What did he find? In England, the two friends touched each other zero times. In the United States, in bursts of enthusiasm, we touched each other twice.

But in France, the number shot up to 110 times per hour.
And in Puerto Rico, those friends touched each other 180 times! ...
3) The 3rd search result (when I do the search) is this: http://www.spring.org.uk/2011/04/10-psy ... -touch.php
which mentions & links several studies, including one on waiters, also referred to by Mlodinow. The French PUA study is there:
7. Touch for a date

You won’t be surprised to hear that men show more interest in a woman who has lightly touched them. But here’s the research anyway: Gueguen (2010) found men easily misinterpreted a light nonsexual touch on the arm as a show of sexual interest.

Perhaps more surprisingly women also responded well to a light touch on the arm when being asked for their phone number by a man in the street (Gueguen, 2007). This may be because women associated a light 1 or 2-second touch with greater dominance. (Bear in mind, though, that this research was in France again!)
4) The link to that 2007 paper gives access to the abstract (the paper is behind a pay wall); the abstract says, in part:
Previous research has shown that light tactile contact increases compliance to a wide variety of requests. However, the effect of touch on compliance to a courtship request has never been studied. In this paper, three experiments were conducted in a courtship context. ... In the second experiment, a 20‐year‐old confederate approached a young woman in the street and asked her for her phone number. The request was again accompanied by a light touch (or not) on the young woman's forearm. In both experiments, it was found that touch increased compliance to the man's request. A replication of the second experiment accompanied with a survey administered to the female showed that high score of dominance was associated with tactile contact. The link between touch and the dominant position of the male was used to explain these results theoretically.
5) Note also the comment about "men easily misinterpret[ing] a light nonsexual touch on the arm as a show of sexual interest" - that was by the same researcher, & while that paper is also behind a paywall at the link above, the pdf is readily available online. Yes, that research was also done in France; either of those French studies might have a different outcome if replicated in the US (in the dominant culture in the US, at least). But one wonders whether there might be some nugget there that might suggest an explanation for at least some instances of apparent misunderstandings between men & women about interest level in hooking up or whatever. (Also, that paper available as pdf is full of references to other studies showing behavioral effects of brief touching.)

So, anyway, with a pretty quick search it was possible to find out more about this French he-touch-she-give-phone-number study, in the case of the respondents perhaps leaving less to guesswork & opinion, and in the case of the blogger perhaps less puzzlement. Including the researcher's guess as to why some women might respond more positively after a light touch.

As for me, I'm a bit puzzled as to how a physicist like Mlodinow got into cognitive neuroscience, but I'm not complaining at all - he's good at explaining it (the behavioral observations at least, we didn't get into the wiring).
SJWs don't like the biological part of being human. They don't understand grooming behaviors, touching behaviors and most forms of non-verbal sexual communication. In the end, those behaviors don't seem to work for them and they, in turn, try to make sure that we can't engage in them.

We're apes, though we like to forget it. And as we know from decades of science, if you isolate an ape from touch and it'll go nuts to one degree or another.

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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Dick Strawkins wrote:https://medium.com/rationally-speaking/a00df9c422af

Guess who Massimo Pigliucci is talking about here:
The guy writes too much, is too long winded, far too obnoxious for me to be able to withstand reading him for more than a few minutes at a time, and frankly my interest in the subject matter just isn’t strong enough to overcome all of the above.
Got to be Carrier Bag.

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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Well done, Service Dog! :clap:

Speaking of Lou Reed, I was listening to the BBC radio program Newsday last night, and they chose to play the Candy Darling verse from Walk on the Wild Side.
But she never lost her head
Even when she was giving head ....
Just wondering about the usage of "giving head" outside the US?

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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Remember the earlier chart I quoted from Service Dog. Here's real-life demonstrating that the 'made up' chart may not be so 'made up.' And that it certainly doesn't fit the SJW desired outcome. This is how people act, even if the SJWs don't like it:
And the eight-year brain-maturity gap and dating preferences:
Women at most ages state a preference to date men who are about eight years older or younger:

http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/fi ... 0/02/2.png
It's almost as if thousands upon thousands of years of evolution/observation/environmental influences/whatever-the-reason have primed women in some way... And it seems that priming means women don't need any 'help' from our SJW friends. Nor do they seem to care about those silly SJW theories.

They want what they want, and it's date older guys.

The author of the charts: Lisa Wade is a professor of sociology at Occidental College. http://www.oxy.edu/faculty/lisa-wade Whose bio includes this tidbit: Prof. Wade is also a regular contributor to Ms., Jezebel, and GlobalPolicyTV. So she's almost certainly not some SlymePit Sister-Punisher.

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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You have to watch this patronising Larry David lookalike in action. He's Michael Burawoy, a key figure in the 'Public Sociology' movement:
[youtube]d29t2Tshc9M[/youtube]
Be interesting to hear what VaxHerd has to say on this bloke, because to me, he's turning sociology into a joke. The bit where they go round (at around 12mins) and talk about the 'publics' with which they 'identify' is excruciating.

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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Trophy wrote:
Because sometimes while you can have a basic premise that's very correct, your exposition and reasoning could be hilariously wrong, as it was the case with the lad PZ was mocking mercilessly.
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At this particular instance, PZ was right. The methodology was hilarious. Seriously, the weight the guy assigns to age is a factor of ten larger than 90% of other weights he considers in his survey. Of course, the result is going to confirm his hypothesis...

I think PZ has fooled some of us into thinking there's "a guy" PZ is refuting: a strawman.

My understanding is that one guy created the SMV chart-- Rollo Tomassi.

PZ found out about the chart from a second guy-- Vox Day-- and Vox Day then refuted PZ's original post.


And then a third guy-- Heartiste-- tweeted a "What's your Social Market Value quiz" to PZ, which was the subject of PZ's follow-up post.


I don't think the SMV quiz is the methodology behind the SMV chart.

I think the Rollo Tomassi chart is like a lecturer drawing a couple of overlapping bell-curves freehand-- on a chalkboard or the back of a napkin-- to loosely illustrate a point. 'Not to scale'.
Tomassi said, "I’ve restated this repeatedly, but this graph was never the result of some scientific analysis..."

In the course of defending his chart against other critics- (not PZ), Tomassi did start to connect it to quasi-rigorous analysis, such as the OkCupid dating site's analysis of their users' data: http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/the-c ... der-woman/ But PZ ignored the most-compelling, most-scientific basis for the SMV chart, in favor of fabricating a least-compelling strawman to mock.

PZ also ignored Vox Day's reasonable-sounding refutation of PZ's original post. Vox Day treated the SMV chart like a stock chart, comparing the ups and downs of a hypothetical Male and Female company's "stock" value over a lifetime, in a purely-figurative stock-market.
http://voxday.blogspot.com/2013/10/pz-w ... loses.html

Instead, PZ seized on Heartiste's quiz, MISREPRESENTING IT as 'survey data' methodology behind the chart.
Trophy wrote:
I've not looked at Arora's map in detail but if it's not based on statistics such as "rape per capita" then it's also bullshit and I'll be very surprised and disappointed in Aronra if that was the case. Nonetheless, that is very different than some dude assigning some random numerical value to highly subjective traits.
I don't think reliable "rape per capita" data exists across 174 nations, and so WomanStats is justified in trying to construct a back-of-the-envelope Best Guess, from available data.

But the map AronRa presented wasn't even the map WomanStats offers as their 'best guess' about rape frequency. It was a map which incorporated all sorts of voodoo.... such as China's strict ban on pornography being cited by WomanStats as evidence that China is strongly anti-rape, compared to France which WomanStats faults for allowing porn to be sold at newsstands.

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BarnOwl wrote:Well done, Service Dog! :clap:

Speaking of Lou Reed, I was listening to the BBC radio program Newsday last night, and they chose to play the Candy Darling verse from Walk on the Wild Side.
But she never lost her head
Even when she was giving head ....
Just wondering about the usage of "giving head" outside the US?
I think it means the same thing; at least in the UK and Ireland.

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Jan Steen wrote:
ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:I love this!

Nerd shows his true side. I bet that fucker beats the shit out of his wife if his potatoes are underdone.

http://i.imgur.com/0BY7Ak3.png

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ent-711229
http://i.imgur.com/hUfZn0v.jpg

Holy shit, that's funny.

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Ape+lust wrote:
Dick Strawkins wrote:https://medium.com/rationally-speaking/a00df9c422af

Guess who Massimo Pigliucci is talking about here:
The guy writes too much, is too long winded, far too obnoxious for me to be able to withstand reading him for more than a few minutes at a time, and frankly my interest in the subject matter just isn’t strong enough to overcome all of the above.
Without looking, I'd guess Carrier. This is from one of the backchannel emails cited in Thunderf00t's video:
I concur with all that Natalie says. If he is coming on board, at the very least a requirement of that should be his apologizing to Laci with a real self-knowledge mea culpa to her reflecting the empathy and insight Natalie is expecting from a fellow blogger. Imagine the backchannel being joined by someone whose values look to align with ERV more than us. Run some predictive metrics on that.
Who writes such ungainly pomp in email? Run some predictive metrics -- WTF?
Someone who is on one of the various forms of speed.

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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Post by Tribble »

Sarlug wrote: Wasn't that what happened with the Occupy movement? People were protesting against corruption on Wall Street, and SJW morons came in and shat it up with Progressive Stacks and whining about Smashing Patriarchy and other nonsense?
That's exactly what happened. The fucking SJWs co-opted the movement and turned it into an unfocused mess. People just drifted away as the message became hopelessly muddled.

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