Bleeding from the Bunghole

[Wonky Donkey]

theamazingatheist says he knows who accused shermer.

For the sake of quick lulz, can you tell us around what time he makes this claim?

14:40

Trigger warning: Don't wear headphones listening to this video, you might want to go on a rampage with a large gun with the poor use of stereo.

[uberfeminist]

Before these events, Avicenna was pissed that people are trashing his favorite blogging network ( #ftbullies ) because of the "core" group is ruining the brand.

He presumably can't sue (or would have trouble suing) Sanderson because Avicenna is in India and Sanderson is not.

[VickyCaramel]

Hmmm. After the last post by Scented Nectar I remembered these two. Which is more acceptable? Item one or two? Vote now.

Item one: Dood? What? Advertise much? Taking lessons from Miley Cyrus?
http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18wa017 ... bigpic.jpg

Item two: More tasteful and subtle?
http://judgybitch.files.wordpress.com/2 ... ammer.jpeg

I vote for the subtle one, but that might partly be because the first guy looks like his parts must be uncomfortable in those tights. If this poll had a write in category, I'd have voted for loose jogging pants with no underwear.

I have a dream that one day I'll live in a nation where I will be judged by the content of my character, not the content of my panties.

I have a dream today!

[Wonky Donkey]

My attempt at inserting some common sense at Avicenna's. All for naught: it's to the turd.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/amilliongod ... ent-132015

Here's where I address Avicenna's frankly idiotic post about applying blame to the Slymepit (collectively)* for something someone else did (and not guaranteed it's Rich Sanderson - he's just assuming Rich is behind it). Scepticism in action!

*which is hilarious, due to this exchange



Decry blanket statements; make blanket statements of your own. Yay!

That is laced with WTF from start to finish. I can't figure out if Avicenna just can't write coherent sentences or they need to step away from the keyboard and take a break from the insanity they are mired in. Probably both.

[AndrewV69]

Oh don't get me started on Avril Lavigne. Her fanbase has a schism to rival Slymepit/FTB. It's the epic of Bandaids vs Albaexodus.

And how can you not appreciate the raw tonnage of WTF in her latest video?

[ youtube ] uuNTO31FlY8 [ /youtube ]

Hahaha...huh? That was...different.

But what an epitaph, in the middle: "No one could like lick their own balls quite like he could."

FTFY.

Oh yes quite different. Educational even (perhaps)? I do not think I am going to watch it again, but I might. You know in once sense it could be pretty awesome and I just do not see it.

I am sure there must be some deep profound meaning in there which completely escapes me at the moment. Perhaps I should watch it again.

But right now I am going to sample a certain comment thread.

[Darren]

So... we are dealing with a potential false false false rape allegation allegation?

What next?

[bovarchist]

Hmmm. After the last post by Scented Nectar I remembered these two. Which is more acceptable? Item one or two? Vote now.

Item one: Dood? What? Advertise much? Taking lessons from Miley Cyrus?
http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18wa017 ... bigpic.jpg

Item two: More tasteful and subtle?
http://judgybitch.files.wordpress.com/2 ... ammer.jpeg

Am I the only one who thinks the second picture looks photoshopped?

[VickyCaramel]

Am I the only one who thinks the second picture looks photoshopped?

Nope, both have been 'enhanced'.

[AndrewV69]

My attempt at inserting some common sense at Avicenna's. All for naught: it's to the turd.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/amilliongod ... ent-132015

Here's where I address Avicenna's frankly idiotic post about applying blame to the Slymepit (collectively)* for something someone else did (and not guaranteed it's Rich Sanderson - he's just assuming Rich is behind it). Scepticism in action!

*which is hilarious, due to this exchange



Decry blanket statements; make blanket statements of your own. Yay!

That is laced with WTF from start to finish. I can't figure out if Avicenna just can't write coherent sentences or they need to step away from the keyboard and take a break from the insanity they are mired in. Probably both.

I just finished reading most of the comments. Pitchguest has more patience with the lumpenproletarier than I do for certes. But some pretty funny stuff in there all the same.

My rating is only two and a half stars for entertainment value though (but I am getting jaded).

YMMV.

[yomomma]

So I guess TJ knows this person personally.

That would be very strange given that the feminist community thinks TJ is a pedo who celebrates incest and cannibalism, laughs at those who commit suicide, supports bullying and harassment all in a day before chewing off babies faces or something. (I read the Rational Wiki page on him, which makes him out to be the devil incarnate.)

That's interesting that he knows this person and yet, Carrie Poppy knows this person too. She gets around opposing circles I guess. Very strange.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/The_Amazing_Atheist

[ThePrussian]

windy is a kind and caring woman, look what she did for the 'pit:

viewtopic.php?f=29&t=359

the great population debate has it's own thread now!

OK, I went over there to concede my racist agenda and to bow down to the Prussian's superior subscriptions to trade journals intellect.

No need to bow. Just a nicely written apology will do fine, including the fact that you probably mean scientific journals.

[ThePrussian]

windy is a kind and caring woman, look what she did for the 'pit:

viewtopic.php?f=29&t=359

the great population debate has it's own thread now!

OK, I went over there to concede my racist agenda and to bow down to the Prussian's superior subscriptions to trade journals intellect.

No need to bow. Just a nicely written apology will do fine, including the fact that you probably mean scientific journals.

[Ape+lust]

All right! Greta Christina is promoting the send-A+-to-Skepticon fundraiser!
http://freethoughtblogs.com/greta/2013/ ... -and-more/

Actually, she's promoting the "Ilk" merchandise that Grimalkin designed, which is for sale at zazzle. But she mentions the A+/Skepticon fundraiser at indiegogo. However, that has resulted in zero additional donors to the indiegogo fundraiser, so far. But that's okay, because the Ilk merchandise is also to raise funds!

"Ilk" is "Greta and Jen's Ilk" meaning their horde, their commentariat. (I first saw the term used by & for the group at atheism plus forum, but totally could have missed earlier use of it at FtB since I mostly don't read there.)

There are 2 Ilk images - two "body type" silhouettes, otherwise quite similar, each standing proudly, with a single antler on its head and wearing pink jack boots. Of the larger one, it's been said by one of Greta's commenters that the silhouetted left arm looks like a "1960′s torpedo tit." But that's not all!...

Greta and Jen's "Ilk" thing is a weird hunk of art:

http://i.imgur.com/JKmaaZx.jpg

You know what it looks like?:

http://i.imgur.com/uCzSZcV.jpg

[Dick Strawkins]

OK, this Avicenna/Richard Sanderson kerfuffle.

I think it's about time to put it to rest.

Apparently Avicenna got an email that accused him of rape at TAM.
This, on the surface, sounds weird because he is working in India as part of his medical training and there was no mention of him flying over to TAM. In other words it sounds like a completely spurious trolling email and he describes it in similar terms on his blog:

If you are unaware of this, I was accused of raping someone at TAM 2013 during a period of time that I was intensely busy with “work”. I didn’t know about the Michael Shermer incident. I just thought it was hate mail. Mabus was doing the rounds after all…

So a trolling personal email - the obvious thing to do would be to just delete it, wouldn't it?

You might have thought so, but Avicenna seems to have decided that it was all part of some conspiracy of well-poisoning false rape allegations.

Then other allegations started popping up. PZ Myers, Lousy Canuck (AKA Jason Thibeault) and I realised what it was. It was laying the ground work for something big.

Obviously he is unaware that the allegations against Thibeault and Myers were first revealed by Thibeault and Myers themselves.

Turns out Mr. Sanderson is a possible suspect in the fake accusation that I raped/molested someone at TAM 2013. Why? Because when I admitted publically about the accusation, I also pointed out that I had an alibi. Oh if you wish to know why I admitted to it, I felt the need to be honest because I figured that if I didn’t admit to it, someone would drop it on me as a “surprise” and I would rather do it myself. Bear in mind, work colleagues read this blog and me admitting to the accusation was handled better than if someone else did. Bear in mind at the moment I am teaching and training midwives in safe delivery methods and doing deliveries. AKA working in women’s healthcare. This resulted in me having to deal with greater scrutiny of my work and some time for administrative leave but in the end the truth is an absolute defence.

It meant that colleagues would HAVE to mention this incident. I cleared my name with work but it’s just a painful thing to do. I genuinely thought of bowing out of blogging as I felt my career was more important. It didn’t matter that my alibi was insanely solid.

You see, I have spent the past few months in India and the UK. My passport won’t carry UK stamps since it’s a Biometric but it would mean I was somewhere in the EU or India. I don’t hold an American Visa either. I could not have “gone to TAM”. My alibi is from the UK and Indian Governments and the US government can possibly verify me not being in the USA for that event.

Mr. Sanderson was unaware of the alibi until mentioned. Indicating that he either learnt of the accusation from the accuser or is the accuser himself.

Lets try to follow Avicenna's train of thought here but best hold on tight, it may be a rocky ride:

1. Richard Sanderson mentions the false rape accusation being levelled at Avicenna.

2. But Sanderson didn't know Avicenna was not at TAM (why not, couldn't he have guessed by looking at Avicenna's blog for the time period of TAM?) - which would have made the false rape accusation...errr... a false rape accusation?

3. Because Sanderson doesn't mention Avicenna's alibi from the TAM time period we can only conclude (why?) that Sanderson heard of the accusation directly from the accuser OR IS THE ACCUSER HIMSELF!

Here is the twitter conversation where Sanderson mentions the false rape accusation:

https://twitter.com/RichSandersen/statu ... 4372490240

In other words the first mention of the false allegation is a question from Sanderson to ool0n, and links to the first public mention of the allegation.

And who is it who first makes the allegation public (surely this must be the accuser or a person who heard it directly from the accuser?)

http://i.imgur.com/h4ZmdJf.jpg

Yes, it's oolon.

Surprise, surprise.

Lying shitstain oolon claims that there have been accusations here on the slymepit about avicenna prior to his butterflies and wheels comment on the 26th of August, but I don't remember seeing any and I cannot find any by searching.

Does anyone else remember Avicenna being mentioned in connection with such an allegation on the pit?
oolon lies in this manner all the time, presuming that people won't go back and check, so I'm presuming this is another of the same from him but I'm prepared to concede if it turns out that he's telling the truth on this occasion.

If there is no mention of the allegation here, and Avicenna didn't publicly mention the allegation before oolon's remark on the 26th of August, then things are looking decidely awkward for oolon.

How exactly did he know of the allegation?

As for Avicenna, what can I say.
If I haven't missed some important detail then it looks like you owe both Richard Sanderson and the slymepit an apology.

But, then again, perhaps the strain of worrying about something a little closer to home might have been getting to you.
You were quite prepared to use your relationship with Tiga to sell yourself as some kind of perfect caring guy.

Well that particular facade has well and truly tumbled to the ground in the past week.
The picture of you that Tiga paints on her recent blog posts appears to be that of an emotionally abusive fuckwit who was just using her.
Do you seriously think you can wear the mask of pro-woman feminist man, all the while treating your partner like shit?

And that nobody would find out?
Shame on you.

I think Tiga deserves better.

[Jonathan]

I can't find anything either relating to Avicenna being accused of anything on here.

What blog posts from Tiga are you talking about?

[Verklagekasper]

Not sure what to make of this, but I suspect that someone has gone into the deep end without his water wings.

But who? :think:

Avicenna: "Mr. Sanderson was unaware of the alibi until mentioned. Indicating that he either learnt of the accusation from the accuser or is the accuser himself."
http://freethoughtblogs.com/amilliongod ... sanderson/

Well, who's the accuser from whom Sanderson got the rumor? This is the tweet from Sanderson which started it...

And it links to the source where he learnt it:
http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterflies ... ent-617262

oolon
August 26, 2013 at 2:49 pm
Avicenna is not peripheral in terms of having the Slymepit try and remove his blogging income or spreading false rape allegations about him…

So, since Sanderson got it from oolon, Avicenna accuses oolon to be the accuser. Or something. Well, not really. Apparently, Avicenna tries to win this case through a variant of the Chewbacca defense, ie. by not making sense on any level. But why? Perhaps because Avicenna just learnt that he is regarded a peripheral FTB blogger. Which irks him. And, of course, the best way to be promoted from peripharal to full-blown FTB drama blogger is to make up shit about rape accusations.

[Barael]

What I'm confused about is what does Rich Sanderson have to do with the Pit, unless he goes by some other name here and I've simply missed it.

[Dick Strawkins]

I can't find anything either relating to Avicenna being accused of anything on here.

What blog posts from Tiga are you talking about?

Avicenna has linked to Tiga's blog in the past.
I followed the link presuming I would find something that confirmed his non-US location during TAM 2013 but spotted some recent posts of hers where she complains bitterly of his treatment of her and of threats he made to her.

It's not pleasant reading but perhaps throws a little light on Avicenna's current state of mind and why he might not have given the idea of the Sanderson/slymepit accusation his full attention before he jumped in.

[AndrewV69]

I can't find anything either relating to Avicenna being accused of anything on here.

What blog posts from Tiga are you talking about?

Avicenna has linked to Tiga's blog in the past.
I followed the link presuming I would find something that confirmed his non-US location during TAM 2013 but spotted some recent posts of hers where she complains bitterly of his treatment of her and of threats he made to her.

It's not pleasant reading but perhaps throws a little light on Avicenna's current state of mind and why he might not have given the idea of the Sanderson/slymepit accusation his full attention before he jumped in.

This looks like it may be it. This blog was linked to her from here. I do not know what his side of the story is though. A couple of entries:

http://tigasukutales.com/2013/08/21/unfairness/

Unfairness
Posted on August 21, 2013

I’m apparently a shit girlfriend because I don’t want my boyfriend confiding in his ex girlfriend.

I’m a shit girlfriend because I don’t let him have what he wants.

I’m a shit girlfriend because he gave up his family for me even though I didn’t ask him to.

I’m the shit partner because…I’m the one who committed the ultimate betrayal.

Men are such horrendous creatures sometimes. They can hurt, twist, manipulate everything. Even though you give your heart to them. Then they stomp on it like the bastard they are and expect you to be ok with everything.

I am empty on the inside. I have nothing left to give. It is all gone now. All I have to hold onto to know that I still have feelings is hurt.

Hurt from the ultimate betrayal.

http://tigasukutales.com/2013/08/22/letters-to-you/

Letters to you
Posted on August 22, 2013

You said that I was a horrible girlfriend. That I didn’t understand your condition which entails you keeping in touch with your ex girlfriend.

You said that if I had a problem with you keeping in touch with your ex, it meant that I didn’t understand.

Did you understand what I went through with my ex and how unwilling I was to get into a relationship with someone who still wanted to be in intimate contact with his ex?

You obviously didn’t.

Understanding one another is so crucial in a relationship. Understanding, sacrifice, coming to a middle ground…I never asked you to stop talking to your ex. All I asked was for you to not confide in her like you would with your own girlfriend.

How do you think I feel when I know that when it really matters, the first person you go off running to is her?

I hope all your readers see this. Because when my family and friends saw your messages and replies, they were shocked. Many of them asked me to leave you because they couldn’t believe what you had done. How horrible you were to me. You say I don’t make sacrifices like you did with your family. I never asked you to leave your family for me. That was YOUR choice. You CHOSE me over them.

If you regret that, that is your fault and your fault alone, not mine.

You chose instead to guilt trip me with all your sacrifices. Getting expensive internet, picking me over family. Staying up late to talk to me. All of it is my fault. It’s always my fault. Because apparently, you only use the internet for me, you only stay up late for me and apparently I made YOU pick me over your family. Heck you even threatened to show my messages to my friends, you coward. Well guess what, I did it myself. And you did NOT come out as a saint in your messages, oh no you didn’t. Go on then, show me what else you can threaten me with.

I can’t make you do anything. That is your choice and your choice alone. You live with the repercussions of it. You’re a big boy now so man up and grow some balls. You complain about expensive internet for me? If you want a long distance relationship with someone so badly, you NEED to damn well make the sacrifices for it. How can you miraculously expect a relationship from a girl if you can’t afford internet?

I have always hated guys who pretended to be ok at the beginning then because they think they’ve got the girl. And then they expected the girl to understand, they expect the girl to be ok with a phantom relationship. How can responsible men expect to be with someone if they haven’t got the basic elements down like a phone, a working constant communication line? If you’re there in person, that’s fine but you’re not. So you NEED these things to be functioning. That isn’t sacrifice, that is necessity. Like water to your relationship.

I NEVER talk about my sacrifices for you and I think it’s vile to do it. I have still never brought them up even though you constantly throw them at my face. You are by far the boyfriend who has hurt me the most, broken my self-esteem on numerous counts by telling me all the horrible things your family has said about me, and even after I tell you how badly hurt I was from my last relationship, you go and do the exact same thing to me. You run off to your lovely ex for comfort. And guess what, she’s so nice, she had the brains and is a whole lot more stable than you to tell you that you need to talk to me instead! What would her fiance have thought?! It’s so inappropriate.

I am blogging here today about everything because I can no longer talk to you. I can no longer have open discussions with you without you turning into a rage and getting so angry with me. You get angry and you yell, you hurt, you throw all your sacrifices at me as if I am making your life so miserable when we both know that we wouldn’t be even having this conversation if you didn’t care or you didn’t want me in your life.

After all, I can’t be so horrible if you still want me despite me being ‘a shit girlfriend’. Why not go find an awesome one? Go on. I dare you to find someone else who would put up with your rage, this stupid emotional abuse you throw in my face every single time.

I have no issues about you being unwell. Everyone knows that. People who know me know I am the most understanding person on the planet when it comes to health. But you took all your mistakes and twisted it into it being my fault. They read your messages, they saw it was you who was wrong. You kept using me not understanding your illness as an excuse to cover up for you running off to your ex and for the first mistake you made which was not telling me why you were off. You hid things from me and that was your fault, not mine.

Take responsibility for your actions. I can only ever respect you if you ever man up to that and throw your stupid indian man ego into the bin.

PS – do you know ANY girlfriend who would put aside her own hurt, fear and phobias, to contact your ex to further understand your health issues so she can not assume the worst of you? So that she can help you get better and make life easier for you? Find that fucking girl and let me know. I can assure you no woman would do anything like that for you. And you damn well know it.

[Jonathan]

I can't find anything either relating to Avicenna being accused of anything on here.

What blog posts from Tiga are you talking about?

Avicenna has linked to Tiga's blog in the past.
I followed the link presuming I would find something that confirmed his non-US location during TAM 2013 but spotted some recent posts of hers where she complains bitterly of his treatment of her and of threats he made to her.

It's not pleasant reading but perhaps throws a little light on Avicenna's current state of mind and why he might not have given the idea of the Sanderson/slymepit accusation his full attention before he jumped in.

Just found her blog. Very personal stuff, and given that it's only one side of the relationship I'm wary about drawing any conclusions about either of them based on it. Could all be true, but there's no way to know. I'm deferring judgement.

Still can't find anything here where anyone has claimed that Avicenna has been accused of rape. Looks like Oolon lied or "made a mistake". What a shock.

[Jonathan]

<snip>

Looks like our posts crossed. Cheers for taking the time to find and paste that though!

[Gumby]

Does anyone else remember Avicenna being mentioned in connection with such an allegation on the pit?

No, no such allegations against Avicenna have been made here. A cursory search confirms that (not to mention the fact that we don't pull that kind of crap here anyway). On the other hand, HE has made some pretty serious allegations against the Pit:

http://freethoughtblogs.com/amilliongod ... a-ftbully/

And some of the people you interact with are insanely dangerous. MRA’s from the Slymepit who were regulars at AVfM showed up. Many of our bloggers here have been harassed by people such as Wooly Bumblebee who are writers at AVfM. The same AVfM that supported the idea that the women in India who are raped have it easier than the men. And I noticed absolutely no backlash from the Slymepit.

What would you have me think? That you are all silently disapproving? Well they are vocal enough about shoes or whether or not I should have things they consider important yet they are actually silent about their own members supporting rape apologists in FREAKING INDIA.

*sigh*

[James Caruthers]

Okay, I'm relatively new to these FTB posters or whatever, but it seems like every time Oolon posts anything, it's a deliberately dishonest attempt to wind up the FTB audience. More of this "identify the enemy" bullshit that you see in ideological movements/cults.

I've been checking Sanderson's twitter and haven't found anything that would indicate an "original post" from him accusing anyone of rape, just the link posted here that shows Oolon saying that.

So did Oolon fabricate the entire story, and then Sanderson was dumb enough to repeat it on Twitter, making him fair game?

I generally try to ignore commenting on anything Oolon says or does because it seems like he gets off on attention and has no problem lying when the results put more people on his side.

Massive threatto the Slymepit as an A+ person who is a wonderful activist with a lot of good results

I did laugh at this though. Oh no, a person who believes something I disagree with is out there doing good things! Somebody stop him!

[AndrewV69]

So, since Sanderson got it from oolon, Avicenna accuses oolon to be the accuser. Or something. Well, not really. Apparently, Avicenna tries to win this case through a variant of the Chewbacca defense, ie. by not making sense on any level. But why? Perhaps because Avicenna just learnt that he is regarded a peripheral FTB blogger. Which irks him. And, of course, the best way to be promoted from peripharal to full-blown FTB drama blogger is to make up shit about rape accusations.

We all know by now that Oolon is nicknamed "fog" by those who know him on account of his being thick and wet, so can we be surprised he would say something like this? I think not.

I am curious though, about how is it that Oolon knows about the false rape accusation in the first place?

[Dick Strawkins]

I can't find anything either relating to Avicenna being accused of anything on here.

What blog posts from Tiga are you talking about?

Avicenna has linked to Tiga's blog in the past.
I followed the link presuming I would find something that confirmed his non-US location during TAM 2013 but spotted some recent posts of hers where she complains bitterly of his treatment of her and of threats he made to her.

It's not pleasant reading but perhaps throws a little light on Avicenna's current state of mind and why he might not have given the idea of the Sanderson/slymepit accusation his full attention before he jumped in.

Just found her blog. Very personal stuff, and given that it's only one side of the relationship I'm wary about drawing any conclusions about either of them based on it. Could all be true, but there's no way to know. I'm deferring judgement.

Still can't find anything here where anyone has claimed that Avicenna has been accused of rape. Looks like Oolon lied or "made a mistake". What a shock.

Yes, it reads like they are in that sad 'end-of-the-relationship' stage where accusations and recriminations are flying from both sides - and we only get to read one. Her description of his recent behavior is rather horrid but I guess it's possible that strong emotions are involved.
It is curious that he is so private about his own name and location and yet found it easy to reveal her details on his site on multiple occasions.

[Gumby]

Okay, I'm relatively new to these FTB posters or whatever, but it seems like every time Oolon posts anything, it's a deliberately dishonest attempt to wind up the FTB audience. More of this "identify the enemy" bullshit that you see in ideological movements/cults.

I've been checking Sanderson's twitter and haven't found anything that would indicate an "original post" from him accusing anyone of rape, just the link posted here that shows Oolon saying that.

So did Oolon fabricate the entire story, and then Sanderson was dumb enough to repeat it on Twitter, making him fair game?

I generally try to ignore commenting on anything Oolon says or does because it seems like he gets off on attention and has no problem lying when the results put more people on his side.

Massive threatto the Slymepit as an A+ person who is a wonderful activist with a lot of good results

I did laugh at this though. Oh no, a person who believes something I disagree with is out there doing good things! Somebody stop him!

LOL. It ain't just Oolon. They ALL strain themselves to the limit trying to portray the Slymepit as some kind of simplistic mustache-twirling Snidely Whiplash caricature. It's hilarious.

Fact is, when one of them does some ACTUAL activism, I always see positive acknowledgment of that here. Oolon is conflating real activism with his masters' posturing at conferences. Shameless sycophantic idiot.

[Jonathan]

It is curious that he is so private about his own name and location and yet found it easy to reveal her details on his site on multiple occasions.

Perhaps she didn't mind. I would assume if she did have a problem with it then he wouldn't have.

[Dick Strawkins]

It is curious that he is so private about his own name and location and yet found it easy to reveal her details on his site on multiple occasions.

Perhaps she didn't mind. I would assume if she did have a problem with it then he wouldn't have.

I'm sure he had permission, it's just that the idea of pseudonymity is going to be hard to maintain if his partner is revealed and, as has happened, SHE reveals personal details about him.

[Za-zen]

So TJ claims he knows who Shermer's accuser is. How the fuck?! Really, how the fuck?! I don't get how TJ became privy to this information, i am not saying his claim is bs, what i am saying is, how the fuck?!

As far as i'm aware he isn't big buddies with Shermer, nor is he big buddies with carrie the looney tune, or any of the crazy set, so how the fuck does he come by this info?! Interesting, interesting, interesting, the soup thickens.

[AndrewV69]

Massive threatto the Slymepit as an A+ person who is a wonderful activist with a lot of good results

I did laugh at this though. Oh no, a person who believes something I disagree with is out there doing good things! Somebody stop him!

Oh ya! It makes sense. After all the only reason I do volunteer work for the NDP including fund raising is just because I want to piss Setar off. Cause as we all know all Slymepitters are dangerous Libetards in cahoots with the Republithugs or something.

Seriously funny stuff.

In other news:
One of my brothers is in town with his wife for a couple of days and they made the trek out in the wilderness to see me. So I fed these meat eating steak and potato ex-Calgarians a vegetarian meal. Because that is how I roll.

Surprise!

They liked my fava beans and chick peas in korma sauce with basmati rice and green beans so much they had a second helping.

[Scented Nectar]

Ok, now I've got a picture in my head of you in a kilt standing over a windy grate in the street, Marilyn Monroe style! :D

:lol:

I actually had one of those moments this past Saturday at the local Highland Games. A bit of a windy day caught me kilt in a gust! :lol:

Wind and kilts. I think they go together well. :D

[Verklagekasper]

Let's try to trace back the alleged rape accusations against Avicenna.
Avicenna claims: "Because when I admitted publically about the accusation, I also pointed out that I had an alibi."

Where did he do that? I suppose he means this:
http://freethoughtblogs.com/amilliongod ... waking-up/

Which is really odd because, apparently, in that post he gives “Avicenna Groped me at CONvergence!” and “Avicenna touched me up at TAM” as hypothetical examples. At least that's what I read from that somewhat confused blog post.

So, where in this whole narrative did anyone actually accuse Avicenna of anything?
Could it be that Avicenna started it himself by formulating hypothetical accusations against him? Which then went through oolon's libel filter, resulting in allegations against the slymepit? And then, somehow, Avicenna forgot the accusations were his own invention? And claims now he was actually accused? Sounds bizarre, but that's what I parse from this story.

[Hunt]

So TJ claims he knows who Shermer's accuser is. How the fuck?! Really, how the fuck?! I don't get how TJ became privy to this information, i am not saying his claim is bs, what i am saying is, how the fuck?!

As far as i'm aware he isn't big buddies with Shermer, nor is he big buddies with carrie the looney tune, or any of the crazy set, so how the fuck does he come by this info?! Interesting, interesting, interesting, the soup thickens.

It's possible that in some circles it's close to common knowledge. We here at the pit have a certain presumption that we'll be privy to anything that's going around, but that might be far from the truth. Remember, TJ has an astoundingly huge viewership, eclipsing Thunderf00t by his own admission.

[James Caruthers]

Let's try to trace back the alleged rape accusations against Avicenna.
Avicenna claims: "Because when I admitted publically about the accusation, I also pointed out that I had an alibi."

Where did he do that? I suppose he means this:
http://freethoughtblogs.com/amilliongod ... waking-up/

Which is really odd because, apparently, in that post he gives “Avicenna Groped me at CONvergence!” and “Avicenna touched me up at TAM” as hypothetical examples. At least that's what I read from that somewhat confused blog post.

So, where in this whole narrative did anyone actually accuse Avicenna of anything?
Could it be that Avicenna started it himself by formulating hypothetical accusations against him? Which then went through oolon's libel filter, resulting in allegations against the slymepit? And then, somehow, Avicenna forgot the accusations were his own invention? And claims now he was actually accused? Sounds bizarre, but that's what I parse from this story.

Don't post it here, post it on FTB with all the relevant links. Show them the process for tracing back this story to the original account, and the various people it went through (Oolon and then Sanderson) before winding up as a FTB article about "false rape threats from the slymepit mras." Don't forget Sanderson's twitter, where he posted that he reads both FTB and the Slymepit (as in, he's not a dedicated pitter.)

http://freethoughtblogs.com/amilliongod ... waking-up/
This is very clearly a hypothetical example used for illustrative purposes.

I suppose the best one can do is lead the FTBloggers to the probable sequence of events. We can't force them not to jump to conclusions and believe what are very probably outright lies.

[James Caruthers]

Actually fuck it, I'm going to do it. I'll let you know if I get modded and prevented from even posting it.

[Tribble]

I've hugged a lot of guys in my lifetime, are the "huggers=comeon" crowd suggesting that unbeknown to me, i was actually flirting with them?

Absolutely not. I don't think anyone is saying that (are they?). What I think we're saying is there is a possibility that some people may react to this in different ways or misinterpret what is going on. We've seen already from the pit that there's a range of responses people have to being hugged - some aren't comfortable with it at all, others think it's great.


OTT Also interesting article on lad's mags that a friend sent to me:

http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/ar ... h0id2iN3IV

What a great article, and while it's not about A+, it points out exactly what is wrong with feminism and, through the incorporation of feminism into A+, A+ atheism:

That the anti-lads’ mags brigade miss this fact shouldn’t be a surprise. For this small coterie, currently passing themselves off as feminist, turning out columns shot through with half-comprehended jargon like ‘intersectionality’, ‘privilege’ and, of course, ‘objectification’, are not really that interested in women’s freedom - the freedom, that is, to pursue a life of one’s own choosing.

They are just as bad, in my view, as the religious right when it comes to their attempts to control others. Especially when it comes to anything to do with sex.

[Tribble]

Any techies out there know how to share Mov files of about 400Megs with friends? I took some vacation video that a friend wants and it;s too big for email and I can't seem to get Dropbox to work with my older Mac. When i use the Dropbox ap for my iphone it wants to upload every pic-not letting me select-and I'm not letting THAT happen. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

mm.. Well, there is always ZModem and FTP for sharing things across the internets.

You can still do that? Wow, the last time I did ZModem and FTP, FidoNet and USEnet were still 'the things' for geeks and the "Internet" was an expensive joke dominated by AOL and shitty company websites.

[Apples]

So TJ claims he knows who Shermer's accuser is. How the fuck?! Really, how the fuck?! I don't get how TJ became privy to this information, i am not saying his claim is bs, what i am saying is, how the fuck?!

As far as i'm aware he isn't big buddies with Shermer, nor is he big buddies with carrie the looney tune, or any of the crazy set, so how the fuck does he come by this info?! Interesting, interesting, interesting, the soup thickens.

My froth-pressure is rising. This makes me think about AI FunkyDerek's recent twitter convo a bit differently -- noted here by PA - viewtopic.php?p=121466#p121466.

Read the full exchange:

He throws out the notion that "the woman in question has a history of making false rape claims" - then quickly backtracks, suggesting he's just illustrating how bad it is to make unevidenced statements and that "he knows nothing of this woman, including whether she even exists." But now I wonder whether he has been privy to specific rumors about who she is and her level of credibility.

[Za-zen]

In honour of Matt hopefully stopping drinking (and serving the koolaid) i've changed my sig.

[Scented Nectar]

I vote for the subtle one, but that might partly be because the first guy looks like his parts must be uncomfortable in those tights. If this poll had a write in category, I'd have voted for loose jogging pants with no underwear.

There's the difference between men and women for you right there. What guy is going to say, "I was going to go for the first pair of tits, but that woman looks uncomfortable in those pasties."

Damn! They were right about patriarchy, weren't they. :lol: ⦿ ⦿

[Jonathan]

So TJ claims he knows who Shermer's accuser is. How the fuck?! Really, how the fuck?! I don't get how TJ became privy to this information, i am not saying his claim is bs, what i am saying is, how the fuck?!

As far as i'm aware he isn't big buddies with Shermer, nor is he big buddies with carrie the looney tune, or any of the crazy set, so how the fuck does he come by this info?! Interesting, interesting, interesting, the soup thickens.

My froth-pressure is rising. This makes me think about AI FunkyDerek's recent twitter convo a bit differently -- noted here by PA - viewtopic.php?p=121466#p121466.

Read the full exchange:

He throws out the notion that "the woman in question has a history of making false rape claims" - then quickly backtracks, suggesting he's just illustrating how bad it is to make unevidenced statements and that "he knows nothing of this woman, including whether she even exists." But now I wonder whether he has been privy to specific rumors about who she is and her level of credibility.

I don't believe so. My impression is that he was simply trying to make a point, though not doing it all that brilliantly.

[Scented Nectar]

I hate to inform you, but Trophy has a dick. It was a day of sorrow when he revealed the truth to us:( And there is even more sorrow, because he refused to provide SN with pix + ruler (in inches) :(

Damn it, I was savoring the moment before breaking in the news but now you ruined it *sigh*. And also, I'm not an imperialist, I don't do inches.

It would be a nuisance, but I suppose I could convert centimeters to inches. Or I could just pretend that they ARE inches. Heheheh.

[Scented Nectar]

Did I mention I frequently wear a kilt?

Just saying.

Pics or it didn't happend.

Your wish is my command:

DSC00827-640x640.jpg

You tease! A bit higher up, please. :)

[Dick Strawkins]

Actually fuck it, I'm going to do it. I'll let you know if I get modded and prevented from even posting it.

It's really pointless to even try to point out mistakes or lies to them.
They are not skeptics. They are true believers and will only find a way to rationalize the most blatant lies coming from their team.

This is not the first time that Avicenna has chosen to lie about the slymepit.
There is no advantage for him to stop now. Any sign of weakness (to the existence of evidence) will be pounced upon by the horde.

[Mykeru]

In honour of Matt hopefully stopping drinking (and serving the koolaid) i've changed my sig.

I've had a few days off so...

1. Why would anyone think Dillahunty stopped chugging Bastard Flavored Kool-Aid and how long is the average detox?

2. At the risk of a pseudo-Godwin, isn't that like David Duke saying it's all cool now because he's no longer Grand Wizard of the KKK when normal people would question why he'd joined the club in the first place?

3. How's his driving?

[Jan Steen]

[quote="free thoughtpolice"

That was awesome. :clap:

While we are it, I have a general question, to Gumby, Ape+Lust, Dick Strawkins, Parody Accountant, Jan Steen and all the others. I just assume you want your work to be spread out, but are you actually okay when your work is featured on a blog (mine for example), of course always with proper credits? Or do you have some reservations (do you want a specific link to one of your pages for example?)

I reserve no claim to anything I post here. Anyone is free to repost, repurpose, recolor, cut up, recaption, whatever they like.

Same here. Just leave my Pharyngulanhas alone, please. I mean, you can repost them as much as you like, but don't make new ones. It might fuck up the story line.

[James Caruthers]

Okay, so here's a duplicate of what I posted on FTB. My comment is awaiting moderation, so I'm copying it here for archival purposes and to hopefully clear up the timeline of events. I haven't found anything between August 8th and August 26th which specifically mentions real rape claims coming from the slymepit directed at Avicenna, so if anyone has those, please do provide them to fill in gaps in the timeline. :lol:

Hi everyone, I just wanted to post a few things here for you all to read through.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/amilliongod ... waking-up/ This seems to be the "Ur-post" which started all this nonsense. It's a clearly hypothetical example of Avicenna describing how easy it is to falsely accuse someone of rape. it was posted on August 8th.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterflies ... ent-617262 This was posted on August 26th by Oolon. Sanderson apparently retweeted it. I'm going to go on record and say that was extremely stupid of Sanderson, since it was a baseless third-hand claim with no sources given.

You can check his twitter timeline, but I'll also post it as a quotation.

"Richard Sanderson @RichSandersen @ool0n How many over at FfTB have had ("false") rape allegations levelled at them? Avicenna has now joined the list. http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterflies ... ent-617262 …"

The next major reaction seems to be this FTB article we're all reading now. So unless someone has an earlier post that shows Sanderson making the claim directly, allow me to begin to suggest the sequence of events:

1) Avicenna gives a hypothetical example regarding rape claims.
2) ???
3) Oolon claims the Slymepit is now making real rape accusations about Avicenna.
4) Sanderson, who reads both FTB and the Slymepit, stupidly retweets this gossip during a discussion about rape accusations on twitter.
5) Sanderson is accused (along with all 'pitters) of falsely accusing Avicenna of rape.

Of course, if there is some documentation for part 2 (the part before Oolon publishes his statement about the slymepit, maybe his source?), I would be interested in seeing it. I think it's a little convenient that Avicenna published a hypothetical rape accusation, and now he's supposedly being accused of an actual rape for which he has an airtight alibi. Oh, and I think it's great he's doing awesome things in India, keep it up! Doing good things is much more important than what somebody believes about a particular issue, imo.

I engage "True Believer" skeptics for the same reason I do "True Believer" christians. I do hold out some hope that Matt will eventually learn how poisonous some of these individuals are. Some day he will get tired of them constantly shitting on him for no reason.

[Zenspace]

Ok, now I've got a picture in my head of you in a kilt standing over a windy grate in the street, Marilyn Monroe style! :D

:lol:

I actually had one of those moments this past Saturday at the local Highland Games. A bit of a windy day caught me kilt in a gust! :lol:

Wind and kilts. I think they go together well. :D

For Ms. Nectar:

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[deLurch]

In honour of Matt hopefully stopping drinking (and serving the koolaid) i've changed my sig.

Incoming blog from Zvan about how the violent Matt Dillahunty threatened to set her on fire in 3... 2... 1...

[Dick Strawkins]

Okay, so here's a duplicate of what I posted on FTB. My comment is awaiting moderation, so I'm copying it here for archival purposes and to hopefully clear up the timeline of events. I haven't found anything between August 8th and August 26th which specifically mentions real rape claims coming from the slymepit directed at Avicenna, so if anyone has those, please do provide them to fill in gaps in the timeline. :lol:

Hi everyone, I just wanted to post a few things here for you all to read through.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/amilliongod ... waking-up/ This seems to be the "Ur-post" which started all this nonsense. It's a clearly hypothetical example of Avicenna describing how easy it is to falsely accuse someone of rape. it was posted on August 8th.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterflies ... ent-617262 This was posted on August 26th by Oolon. Sanderson apparently retweeted it. I'm going to go on record and say that was extremely stupid of Sanderson, since it was a baseless third-hand claim with no sources given.

You can check his twitter timeline, but I'll also post it as a quotation.

"Richard Sanderson @RichSandersen @ool0n How many over at FfTB have had ("false") rape allegations levelled at them? Avicenna has now joined the list. http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterflies ... ent-617262 …"

The next major reaction seems to be this FTB article we're all reading now. So unless someone has an earlier post that shows Sanderson making the claim directly, allow me to begin to suggest the sequence of events:

1) Avicenna gives a hypothetical example regarding rape claims.
2) ???
3) Oolon claims the Slymepit is now making real rape accusations about Avicenna.
4) Sanderson, who reads both FTB and the Slymepit, stupidly retweets this gossip during a discussion about rape accusations on twitter.
5) Sanderson is accused (along with all 'pitters) of falsely accusing Avicenna of rape.

Of course, if there is some documentation for part 2 (the part before Oolon publishes his statement about the slymepit, maybe his source?), I would be interested in seeing it. I think it's a little convenient that Avicenna published a hypothetical rape accusation, and now he's supposedly being accused of an actual rape for which he has an airtight alibi. Oh, and I think it's great he's doing awesome things in India, keep it up! Doing good things is much more important than what somebody believes about a particular issue, imo.

I engage "True Believer" skeptics for the same reason I do "True Believer" christians. I do hold out some hope that Matt will eventually learn how poisonous some of these individuals are. Some day he will get tired of them constantly shitting on him for no reason.

He's allowed it through moderation and made a reply

Avicenna

August 28, 2013 at 5:12 PM (UTC 5.5) Link to this comment

Actually after that I was accused of raping someone at TAM 2013… That’s what they are discussing rather than this hypothetical.

So apparently there was a separate accusation that involved TAM.
I don't think oolon mentioned TAM when he accused the pit of making the allegation against Avicenna.

Ask Avicenna where this accusation occurred, was it a private email because it doesn't seem to be visible online.
And ask him how he explains the fact that it was oolon, rather than Richard Sanderson, who was the first to mention allegations against Avicenna - does this mean, as he put it in his article that oolon "either learnt of the accusation from the accuser or is the accuser himself" ?

[Barael]

Gotta hand it to Oolon, this may be his most successful trolling escapade yet. He's basically flinging shit into thin air and then painting a bullseye (with the word "Slymepit" on it) wherever the turds happen to land, subsequently being hailed as the greatest marksman ever at FTB.

[deLurch]

So TJ claims he knows who Shermer's accuser is. How the fuck?! Really, how the fuck?! I don't get how TJ became privy to this information, i am not saying his claim is bs, what i am saying is, how the fuck?!

As far as i'm aware he isn't big buddies with Shermer, nor is he big buddies with carrie the looney tune, or any of the crazy set, so how the fuck does he come by this info?! Interesting, interesting, interesting, the soup thickens.

Someone he knows or a viewer of his probably tipped him off.

Give the supposedly leaked information, whatever happened occurred at an '06 conference where both Shermer & PZ were present. That certainly narrows down the list of conferences. From there the regular conference goers could probably put 2 + 2 together.

[Verklagekasper]

Actually fuck it, I'm going to do it. I'll let you know if I get modded and prevented from even posting it.

Good luck on that. I doubt though they would consider for a second that the alleged Slymepit accusations against Avicenna are a piece of fiction originating in the mind of Avicenna, and that it was enhanced by ool0n with fictional detail so well that Avicenna now believes himself that the story is true.

[ThePrussian]

In honour of Matt hopefully stopping drinking (and serving the koolaid) i've changed my sig.

Incoming blog from Zvan about how the violent Matt Dillahunty threatened to set her on fire in 3... 2... 1...

Nice :clap:

[Tribble]

So I guess TJ knows this person personally.

That would be very strange given that the feminist community thinks TJ is a pedo who celebrates incest and cannibalism, laughs at those who commit suicide, supports bullying and harassment all in a day before chewing off babies faces or something. (I read the Rational Wiki page on him, which makes him out to be the devil incarnate.)

That's interesting that he knows this person and yet, Carrie Poppy knows this person too. She gets around opposing circles I guess. Very strange.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/The_Amazing_Atheist

When ever Scott Adams posts on something some idiotic SJW could twist into something completely different, he puts this disclaimer on his post:

Warning: This blog is written for a rational audience that likes to have fun wrestling with unique or controversial points of view. It is written in a style that can easily be confused as advocacy for one sort of unpleasantness or another. It is not intended to change anyone's beliefs or actions. If you quote from this post or link to it, which you are welcome to do, please take responsibility for whatever happens if you mismatch the audience and the content.

That's because of, at least in part, Myers and FtB and their inability to rationally discuss complex and controversial subjects. TJ would do well to put a disclaimer on his channel and put a link to it (plus a blurb) at the beginning of his videos. Like the Amanda Todd video that the SJWs all jumped him for when they completely missed his message.

[Ape+lust]

Incoming blog from Zvan about how the violent Matt Dillahunty threatened to set her on fire in 3... 2... 1...

It's Ophelia who does that. Zvan will break his utterances into quantum rubble and re-arrange it into a confession for the Great Chicago Fire.

[deLurch]

OK, this Avicenna/Richard Sanderson kerfuffle.
I think it's about time to put it to rest.

Apparently Avicenna got an email that accused him of rape at TAM.
This, on the surface, sounds weird because he is working in India as part of his medical training and there was no mention of him flying over to TAM. In other words it sounds like a completely spurious trolling email and he describes it in similar terms on his blog:

If you are unaware of this, I was accused of raping someone at TAM 2013 during a period of time that I was intensely busy with “work”. I didn’t know about the Michael Shermer incident. I just thought it was hate mail. Mabus was doing the rounds after all…

Hey Avicenna. Most internet pranksters, assholes and miscreants are typically more stupid than smart. Assuming that this came to you via email, and not postal mail...

If you get the set of code from the header of the email (it looks like a junket of code), you can find directions on how to view the header information here:
https://support.google.com/mail/answer/22454?hl=en
That information can be used by IT people and other computer nerds to identify the originating IP address. If this person did not use a proxy, you can obtain the IP address and most of the time track it back to the originating country & city and Internet Service Provider. If they did happen to use a proxy, then we are out of luck. But as I said, not all people are that smart.

So, either you can get a computer geek friend to help you out with this, or, since you have been accusing the pit of this and that makes me interested, you can post the header information on your blog or here and I will do the footwork myself. But you are not sure you can trust my interpretation of the data? No problem. Public posting. You can easily take my results and let any other computer geek verify the accuracy of what I dig up. We don't need the full email and it's contents. Just the full Header information, which will kind of look like computer code, or a log file to you.

So, open invitation, or you can get a friend to do it for you.

[Gumby]

Incoming blog from Zvan about how the violent Matt Dillahunty threatened to set her on fire in 3... 2... 1...

It's Ophelia who does that. Zvan will break his utterances into quantum rubble and re-arrange it into a confession for the Great Chicago Fire.

And expect Ophie to emphasize just how "belligerently" Dillahunty struck the match.

[ThePrussian]

Incoming blog from Zvan about how the violent Matt Dillahunty threatened to set her on fire in 3... 2... 1...

It's Ophelia who does that. Zvan will break his utterances into quantum rubble and re-arrange it into a confession for the Great Chicago Fire.

And expect Ophie to emphasize just how "belligerently" Dillahunty struck the match.

Correct. Allow me to offer some shameless self-promotion under the guise of a good substitute.

http://www.skepticink.com/prussian/2013 ... er-hirzel/

[James Caruthers]

The accusation was made via E-Mail while I was at work. I disposed of it since “Lol, Hate Mail!”. And it was blatantly stupid. I have never been to TAM ever. In addition Mabus was doing the rounds so I just put it down to his nonsense.

A few days later when logging back in, I realised that more than one accusation has been made at the same time. I then realised that this makes me liable should anyone accuse me on here of ignoring “accusations”. So I released the claim myself. However I did so with the point that I actually have an Alibi.

I poked around the Slymefront today. I noticed someone saying “alibis don’t count”. They do when you are in another country on the other side of the bloody planet. Despite what my ex-girlfriends may say, my penis is not that large and is not visible from space.

It is physically impossible to have raped someone or molested someone or twerked someone or bought someone a drink or approached them in an elevator for “coffee” at TAM as I wasn’t at TAM, wasn’t in the USA and more than a 1000 miles away. I have NEVER been to TAM and judging from the way I am treated currently am unlikely to be willing to do so since I am just someone who’s life was set to be ruined by a stupid allegation for the sake of an Internet Debate.

People said “meh at that point” and left it at that. Because it was clearly a stupid allegation.

Richard however brought it up without the response of “It’s A Stupid Allegation and Blatantly Incorrect”. The most important point of me mentioning it was my alibi.

Either this meant that Richard simply didn’t know about the alibi meaning he never saw the response to the original allegation or someone he knew told him about the allegation without the alibi. Either way it’s mighty fucking suspicious to bring it up suddenly.

The stupid allegation caused me no financial distress since I don’t work for money. BUT it did cost a Charity Money. We had to pay for chaperones at all times and I had to delay lists forcing midwifes to take over and overwork on others who took up the slack. It cost time to go through my criminal records and to prove travel documentation.

Had I not done this and Richard said what he said, I would have been in a lot more trouble and under pending investigations. The fact that I brought it up myself granted me some leeway with work.

Can you see why I am suspicious? No one’s brought it up for weeks and suddenly up pops the allegation without the defence? Oh and I poked around the Slymepit. I know a lot of people are going “why aren’t they taking these accusations seriously”.

2 weeks of observation, paperwork, security checks and re-clearance plus chaperoned.

That’s pretty serious. And the worst part is they accused me while I was working in women’s healthcare. So I have to put up another 2 weeks worth of work. 120 hours in total to make up for hours lost.

Still think those faux rape accusations are funny and helpful?

Wow, this is pretty shitty if true. It sounds a bit like trolling to me (since it was email), but whatever, I understand wanting to clear your name.

I don't see how one gets from this to "this richard guy who quoted oolon is my accuser." I also don't see how it points any fingers at the slymepit. I think it further cements the opinion that Oolon is a piece of shit, because it seems like he released this info about Avicenna publicly before Avicenna could, just so he could rile up more people against the slymepit by claiming they were responsible.

Not sure how anyone on FTB could determine whether or not a rape accusation was specifically from the slymepit as a whole, in part, or from an individual 'pitt poster. I guess the evidence is: it was from an MRA rape apologist misogynist, and everyone at the slymepit is a rape apologist MRA misogynist, therefore A=A slyempit did it. :|

The whole false rape accusation discussion regarding Shermer isn't limited to the slymepit, it has been spread all over thanks to thunderfoot.