Bleeding from the Bunghole

[Southern]

For some reason I'm now wondering what kind of rack E.T. has.

http://cdn-media.hollywood.com/images/l ... zan-et.jpg

Well... there's that E.T. porn movie, if you're interested into that:

http://blip.tv/the-cinema-snob/e-t-the- ... ob-3066681

You're welcome.

[AnonymousCowherd]

PZ is correct on that one. Historians (e.g. Kershaw) these days view both world wars as directly connected, and more like one war. World War I had a very complicated, quite messy backdrop. The reason is seen as failure of political leaders across Europe. Everyone at the time was used to wars, and deluded themselves that it was to be quick matter. They had this idea that it would go down like some napoleonic war with sabre and on horseback. With a charitable interpretation, PZ Myers means that with his tweets. But you know, charitable interpretations are denying justified anger. So I guess PZ has to deal with it now.

Largely factually accurate (or at least one way of viewing history) ... but the mistake from PZ was that in that tweet he invalidated his whole post ... if a war is inevitable, then it must be fought, in which case you need a military, in which case the population as a whole should be damn grateful for those who actually put their lives and families on the line to fight it.


While I can sort of get where he thought he was coming from, he stuffed it badly and wrote an anti-soldier post, instead of an anti-war one ... there is a big difference.

The fall of the Weimar republic was probably inevitable given, not just the reparations, but the economic climate at the time and the political climate in Germany - not all of which was due to the outcome of WW1*. That's not the same as saying WW2 was inevitable. But, as you point out, PZ can't have it both ways.

* e.g. Japan's wish to expand the Greater Asian Co-prosperity Sphere had a lot to do with making it "world" war, and nothing much to do with WW1.

[AnonymousCowherd]

It all makes sense when you think of allies as toilets.

Wait, are we still talking about WWII?

It makes even more sense if you think of Stalin as a toilet plunger:
http://americablog.com/wp-content/uploa ... unger1.jpg

WANT!

[AnonymousCowherd]

[youtube]eSazvxBALPI[/youtube]

Go ahead, baboons. Keep ignoring me. We'll see who gets tired first.

Wow.

Dude.

Just... dude.

What was your name again?

Yeah, whoever that guy is he deserves a virtual beer - fzzt!- there you go. Football player aren't you?

[Ape+lust]

New avatar cuz big-eyed baby faces is the new FtB kryptonite.

[windy]

What a wonderful world I live in if the only thing I have to moan about is cartoon characters.

Next week: Ophelia realizes that Bugs Bunny isn't real when she hears him talk.

The ideal cartoon rabbit has a rack like a...

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2 ... soning.jpg

[Liesmith]

Not quite, you need the page before.

243 Justicar March 26, 2013 at 1:38 am
What did you say to me? what did you call me? Fruit?

THEY CALL ME MR. FRUIT!!!!!!11!!!!!!

Obvious joke is obvious?

No, Justicar is clearly enraged. You can tell because he was too angry to effectively hold down the shift key while typing exclamation points. I have used internet experience to discern this.

[Sunder]

Jaffar, however, if he were a woman, would probably be called an "unrealistic portrayal of women" on account of being impossibly thin. But since he's a drawn, fake representation of a penis-owner, it doesn't matter if Jaffar's figure is realistic or unrealistic.

He's a lot closer to realistic than the character he was in all probability somewhat ripped off from:

http://i.imgur.com/zSiAD7O.jpg

Richard Williams is on record saying that Zigzag was designed to basically have a crazy amount of extra joints to make him sort of move like a marionette.

That's one of the fun things about art and animation, they aren't constrained by realism.

[QuiteSo]

I missed a business appointment once because a truck carrying 250,000 goldfish tipped over on the San Mateo bridge right before I had to cross it. The bridge was closed in both directions, mostly because of the hordes of frenzied, diving seagulls drawn to the scene.

Bjarte Floshaug was once delayed for several minutes because of a stoplight. True story.

and I was that stoplight MUAHAHAHAAAAA!!!

http://images.fanpop.com/images/image_u ... 00_300.gif

[QuiteSo]

What's not cool is how they don't play by their own rules. They bitch over a fat joke and then sit around laughing about "this person is a shitty artist." Or make rape jokes about wasps, mountain lions and thunderfoot while crying any time someone who isn't them makes a rape joke.

Which is why they just can't see their own raging Jew-hatred :popcorn:

Pointing it out was what made you a bully (that, and replying to harassing tweets made at you by a fuckwit) :D

[Dick Strawkins]

https://twitter.com/The_Block_Bot/statu ... 4972610560

I notice that the blockbot is proving once again that we were wrong to think it couldn't get any sillier.

They have just added Lady Gaga to level 2 - the same level that membership of the slymepit gets you.

Apparently, however, Lady Gaga is not a pitter. The real reason is mindbogglingly inane (I'd add a trigger warning for mind bogglingly inane behavior - but I've already mentioned the blockbot so you've been prewarned.)

Apparently she's been added due to her pro-gay song, "Born this way".
Even though it sends out a positive and empowering message about non discrimination of gay people because their sexuality is something they are born with, it also seems to annoy certain trans people (who see gender and sexuality as a choice.)
So onto the blockbot list she goes.
Bad Lady Gaga!

:doh:

[feralandproud]

SMFH, for the second time in less than a week Avi's whole post is built around a 'pit post. How can they hate this place so much when it's the only thing keeping them even slightly relevant?

[QuiteSo]

SMFH, for the second time in less than a week Avi's whole post is built around a 'pit post. How can they hate this place so much when it's the only thing keeping them even slightly relevant?

They love this place. They want to get us into a small room with no exit, strip us off, and mansplain our pharyngulae

[Southern]

https://twitter.com/The_Block_Bot/statu ... 4972610560

I notice that the blockbot is proving once again that we were wrong to think it couldn't get any sillier.

They have just added Lady Gaga to level 2 - the same level that membership of the slymepit gets you.

Apparently, however, Lady Gaga is not a pitter. The real reason is mindbogglingly inane (I'd add a trigger warning for mind bogglingly inane behavior - but I've already mentioned the blockbot so you've been prewarned.)

Apparently she's been added due to her pro-gay song, "Born this way".
Even though it sends out a positive and empowering message about non discrimination of gay people because their sexuality is something they are born with, it also seems to annoy certain trans people (who see gender and sexuality as a choice.)
So onto the blockbot list she goes.
Bad Lady Gaga!

:doh:

I thought that, if Lady Gaga would offend the SJW crowd, it would be for ther video of "Alejandro" (which shows, among other things, a bunch of gay soldiers in Moe Howard bowlcuts gang-raping Lady Gaga herself). It was her biggest hit ever, did people forget about that already?

[feralandproud]

SMFH, for the second time in less than a week Avi's whole post is built around a 'pit post. How can they hate this place so much when it's the only thing keeping them even slightly relevant?

They love this place. They want to get us into a small room with no exit, strip us off, and mansplain our pharyngulae

I call Aron-Ra! He seems like he may be too confused to take advantage, even with my "enthusiastic consent".

[windy]

243 Justicar March 26, 2013 at 1:38 am
What did you say to me? what did you call me? Fruit?

THEY CALL ME MR. FRUIT!!!!!!11!!!!!!

Obvious joke is obvious?

No, Justicar is clearly enraged. You can tell because he was too angry to effectively hold down the shift key while typing exclamation points. I have used internet experience to discern this.

Good point, he must have been literally shaking with rage when he wrote that.

[Dick Strawkins]

SMFH, for the second time in less than a week Avi's whole post is built around a 'pit post. How can they hate this place so much when it's the only thing keeping them even slightly relevant?

The posts are about comments on different topics written by two different pitters.
Are we supposed to think that they, or someone else who reads this site, sends them off verbatim to Avicenna, as their own thoughts?
In both cases he says he learned about them as emails sent to him, but didn't imply that it was someone reporting stuff from the pit (there's nothing particularly controversial in either comment - just questions raised that might suit a blog post.)

OR, do we go with the assumption that Avicenna, like the rest of the drama addicts on FTB, regularly trawl the pit for things to be outraged by. :think:

[feralandproud]

SMFH, for the second time in less than a week Avi's whole post is built around a 'pit post. How can they hate this place so much when it's the only thing keeping them even slightly relevant?

The posts are about comments on different topics written by two different pitters.
Are we supposed to think that they, or someone else who reads this site, sends them off verbatim to Avicenna, as their own thoughts?
In both cases he says he learned about them as emails sent to him, but didn't imply that it was someone reporting stuff from the pit (there's nothing particularly controversial in either comment - just questions raised that might suit a blog post.)

OR, do we go with the assumption that Avicenna, like the rest of the drama addicts on FTB, regularly trawl the pit for things to be outraged by. :think:

From the posts:

But this was in my inbox today in response to my stance on profiling and how it “does work”.

I assume this is from the anti-FTB faction because frankly most people complain my posts are too longer rather than short?

It reads to me like she's framing them as mail addressing her directly. I believe this is what she wants her readers to think. As for getting them by mail from a lurker or quote mining the 'pit, I couldn't say. I'm far beyond taking any FtBers word on anything.

[Cunt of Personality]

http://i.imgur.com/Drg3vBD.jpg

[Dick Strawkins]

SMFH, for the second time in less than a week Avi's whole post is built around a 'pit post. How can they hate this place so much when it's the only thing keeping them even slightly relevant?

The posts are about comments on different topics written by two different pitters.
Are we supposed to think that they, or someone else who reads this site, sends them off verbatim to Avicenna, as their own thoughts?
In both cases he says he learned about them as emails sent to him, but didn't imply that it was someone reporting stuff from the pit (there's nothing particularly controversial in either comment - just questions raised that might suit a blog post.)

OR, do we go with the assumption that Avicenna, like the rest of the drama addicts on FTB, regularly trawl the pit for things to be outraged by. :think:

From the posts:

But this was in my inbox today in response to my stance on profiling and how it “does work”.

I assume this is from the anti-FTB faction because frankly most people complain my posts are too longer rather than short?

It reads to me like she's framing them as mail addressing her directly. I believe this is what she wants her readers to think. As for getting them by mail from a lurker or quote mining the 'pit, I couldn't say. I'm far beyond taking any FtBers word on anything.

Avicenna is a he.
I tend to think that he's trawling the slymepit for topics to write about - and ones in which he might have some degree of insight.
In both cases: racial profiling at airports and a 'corny' advertisement that discussed thanksgiving in terms of one food item given by the "indians" he did have things to say. In fact the recent one was quite interesting in that it was informative of something he appeared to know about (rather than the standard FTB situation of writing uninformative opinions of things.)
The recent comment from here simply asked him to expand on his Ophie style post - and now that he's done that we get to learn something!
He should be thanking the slymepit for making him a better blogger!

[Really?]

I'm curious why FTB would be interested in such extensive coverage of a (seemingly ongoing) spat between two people that aren't related to their network.

Am I missing something? Is it just good for traffic?

That's a really good point. Beckybooze has nothing to do with FTB. Peezus has nothing to do with A+. Neither Beckybooze nor Peezus has anything to do with A+. The Block Bot has nothing to do with A+ OR FTB. Oolie had nothing to do with Sara Mayhew being banned and didn't lie about the BabyBot on the BBC. Amanda Marcotte learned her lesson and no longer goes off Duke rape case style...

Talk about blurred lines!

Which two people do you refer to? They are certainly a faction, called “the Commentariat” by some — due to their habit to extensively comment, judge and criticize within the community except a selected group of people. They consistently excuse each others behaviours, are harsh critics of others all the time but curiously never seem to have an issue with obviously controversial characters (on their side). Its not that Rebecca Watson cannot be criticized by objective standards, or PZ, Zvan etc. They all have done things that could have merited critique by people who are highly critical. But they are completely spared, which gave rise to the idea that they are more of an ingroup with strongly tribalistic attitudes, which everyone has seen in the comment sections.

It is also the root cause for calling them hypocrites, which comes when they apply one set of rules within their gang (extremely lenient), and another to others (extremely harsh). For example, people who didn't believe (unfounded, unreported, hearsay) rape accusations outright were considered rape apologists, but a member of their own commentariat (a regular called ogvorbis) received support just after he confessed to have raped three girls (later, the commentariat rationalized it with that ogvorbis himself was raped and forced to rape some time prior, and that he was only 12 when he raped the three girls — ignoring that he came out with his rape story later, and that it could still be considered inappropriate to react to THIS story with support and hugs. It appeared they erased or somehow misread that story, and continue to gloss over it, as ogvorbis is still in high regard).

That is merely one of the more crass cases of double standards, they are otherwise numerous from large to small and are referred to here as “It's Okay When They Do it(tm)”. They begin with that PZ/Zvan/etc can mock and criticize as they want, supported by hundreds of comments on Mayhew to thunderf00t or whoever they don't like at the moment, but as soon others do it to one of theirs, its called “harassment”. Its okay to monitor other peoples tweets, videos, contributions elsewhere, and make a blog article about it in order to denigrade them in often extreme ways (often defamatory), but good lord it goes against them, that's obsessive stalking and terrorism.

This “immune to any criticism” faction then gave rise to Atheism Plus, and it originally consisted of their commenters and opinion leaders. They don't all believe in radical feminism, but a mixture of intimidation, unclear definitions and utter failure to discuss their views in favour of tribalism has further led to the view that they are one faction, that consistently construes critics to be of another faction (which isn't the case).

Feuds between individuals and conference issues became symbolic or proxy items to further the division between their group and others (“with us or against us” mentality). In essence, they believe if they attack Mayhew and show her as not cool, it makes their flock more sympathetic to their commentariat due to the contrast provided, and they think the other side — that is we, they think— is somehow hurt by it. They think they score atheist community points with it.

Benson or Myers recent attempts to distance from the bot or A+ in some obscure comment aren't convincing and I think they are regarded to be one faction by many. Though, notable, not all of FTB is seen in that respect, those who generally don't criticize people in the community and subsequently cannot be expected to suddenly call out Watson etc. are normally not considered part of that Commentariat and usually also attract a different audience in their comments.

//YMMV

I was referring to the recent madness when RW and PZ went full asshole on the No God Podcast guy who...for WHATEVER reason...thought they were part of A+ and asked them if they wanted to come onto his podcast to talk about it. Instead of being normal, they both demonstrated their mastery of communication and public relations and treated him like shit.

[Really?]

What a wonderful world I live in if the only thing I have to moan about is cartoon characters.

Next week: Ophelia realizes that Bugs Bunny isn't real when she hears him talk.

The ideal cartoon rabbit has a rack like a...

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2 ... soning.jpg

Check your cis privilege! Elmer Fudd is a proud SJW; his romantic relationships aren't restricted by rigid gender binaries.

[welch]

https://twitter.com/The_Block_Bot/statu ... 4972610560

I notice that the blockbot is proving once again that we were wrong to think it couldn't get any sillier.

They have just added Lady Gaga to level 2 - the same level that membership of the slymepit gets you.

Apparently, however, Lady Gaga is not a pitter. The real reason is mindbogglingly inane (I'd add a trigger warning for mind bogglingly inane behavior - but I've already mentioned the blockbot so you've been prewarned.)

Apparently she's been added due to her pro-gay song, "Born this way".
Even though it sends out a positive and empowering message about non discrimination of gay people because their sexuality is something they are born with, it also seems to annoy certain trans people (who see gender and sexuality as a choice.)
So onto the blockbot list she goes.
Bad Lady Gaga!

:doh:

So now we're...famous?

[welch]

SMFH, for the second time in less than a week Avi's whole post is built around a 'pit post. How can they hate this place so much when it's the only thing keeping them even slightly relevant?

The posts are about comments on different topics written by two different pitters.
Are we supposed to think that they, or someone else who reads this site, sends them off verbatim to Avicenna, as their own thoughts?
In both cases he says he learned about them as emails sent to him, but didn't imply that it was someone reporting stuff from the pit (there's nothing particularly controversial in either comment - just questions raised that might suit a blog post.)

OR, do we go with the assumption that Avicenna, like the rest of the drama addicts on FTB, regularly trawl the pit for things to be outraged by. :think:

Odds on a certain "i've been in communication with Ophelia" type "helping"?

[Lsuoma]

The ideal cartoon rabbit has a rack like a...

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2 ... soning.jpg

It all makes sense once you think of women as fuck-bunnies.

[Jan Steen]

http://i.imgur.com/VP5xJOt.jpg

[feralandproud]

Oops, that was unintentional. on the bright side, maybe now we'll get a long, informative blog post on the pains of being misgendered...
I considered that too, welch, that "certain someone" has been kinda quiet lately. Let's try the Beetlejuice method. Jet_Lagg, Jet_Lagg, Jet_Lagg!

[TedDahlberg]

The ideal cartoon rabbit has a rack like a...

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2 ... soning.jpg

Check your cis privilege! Elmer Fudd is a proud SJW; his romantic relationships aren't restricted by rigid gender binaries.

Or species.

[ReneeHendricks]

The ideal cartoon rabbit has a rack like a...

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2 ... soning.jpg

It all makes sense once you think of women as fuck-bunnies.

Bwahahahahaha! Just spit my energy drink all over the place!

[didymos]

The ideal cartoon rabbit has a rack like a...

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2 ... soning.jpg

It all makes sense once you think of women as fuck-bunnies.

[youtube]4NaQRyc6BkI[/youtube]

[Ericb]

If they only Churchil and Chamberlain had been a little more careful with their negotiations and had given Hitler Austria, Sudetenlands, Czechoslovakia, and Poland instead of going to wage war... things could have been different.

If only Poland had organised a Facebook protest or changed their Twitter avatars to a rainbows then Germany wouldn't have invaded.

If only someone had told Hitler to "check his privilege" that war could have been avoided. To hell with the temporal prime directive, I vote that PZ goes back in time and gives Hitler a stern talking too!

Um excuse me, Hitler was the victim here, is was the British and French who should have "checked their privilege" .They should have just have listened to the Nazis and given them the emotional support they craved after the Versailles treaty.

[jet_lagg]

Peezus can't think outside his little box. He said his son is graduating next year to captaincy? When I was in the military, we got promoted. Now, there are certain schools where when you graduate, you can be commissioned a Captain, medical school and certain flight schools (not sure if this is the case anymore) and perhaps JAG. Regardless, you don't graduate to a Captaincy. But this is small change (not every civilian knows this and I wouldn't expect the Pillsbury Never-Was-a Doughboy to know this) compared to his comment about how these whiny little veterans demand his respect.

Yes, there are some complete assholes in the military. Some of them are real rapists (not the fake kind that PeeZus makes up). Usually, these types are demoted to Pvt, discharged dishonorably and not considered veterans. But maybe they're just assholes like Peezus, nothing criminal. Here's where the respect comes in. YOU RESPECT THE UNIFORM AND THE SERVICE. That's it. The uniform, your awards and time of service stay with you forever. Even after you're dead, even 200 years after you're dead. Obama honored some 107 year old WWII vet today. Was it because he was a great, lovable character? He might be, but he was honored for the uniform he wore, the service that he rendered to his nation, the risks he took and probably just because he lived to 107. That's how it's done. Obama knows that and so do most Americans. But not Peezus. Peezus is special...fuck him.

Second rant today...this kind of shit just bothers me.

I have to disagree with saying that rapists are usually demoted/not considered veterans. Though perhaps that's just me being ethnocentric (American here). The rape problem in the U.S. military is one of those times where the criticisms aren't exaggerated. I'm a veteran, and have personal experience with some pretty appalling cases. The evidence also shows that what I saw is often the standard.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_ass ... mendations

[Karmakin]

https://twitter.com/The_Block_Bot/statu ... 4972610560

I notice that the blockbot is proving once again that we were wrong to think it couldn't get any sillier.

They have just added Lady Gaga to level 2 - the same level that membership of the slymepit gets you.

Apparently, however, Lady Gaga is not a pitter. The real reason is mindbogglingly inane (I'd add a trigger warning for mind bogglingly inane behavior - but I've already mentioned the blockbot so you've been prewarned.)

Apparently she's been added due to her pro-gay song, "Born this way".
Even though it sends out a positive and empowering message about non discrimination of gay people because their sexuality is something they are born with, it also seems to annoy certain trans people (who see gender and sexuality as a choice.)
So onto the blockbot list she goes.
Bad Lady Gaga!

:doh:

Not really a surprise to me at all. Although, generally speaking it's pretty rare in the whole LGBT community to hear people who look at gender and sexuality as a choice, as that opens the door to a whole lot of bigotry. At least that's been my experience.

Anyway, in my opinion, within a few years much of the SJW-feminist community will be pretty strongly anti-LGBT over this issu

[Dick Strawkins]

I see skepticon6 is doing it's best to maintain its reputation for really high quality talks.

10:00 am • How to Swear Secularly with Monette Richards Room B

Monette Richards from Secular Women?
I presume then, we'll hear a nice talk on how one should always avoid gendered insults.
Gendered insults are bad and have no place in civilized discussions!

It's an important lesson, and one that I'm sure the organizers of Skepticon6 really take to heart.

By the way, what's the next talk, at 11.00?

11:00 am • How to Tell Your Friends Jesus was a Dick with Ben Schuldt Room A

:doh:

[Matt Cavanaugh]

http://i1341.photobucket.com/albums/o74 ... 14fc68.jpg

I thought this was great. I spent a good half-hour reminiscing over the many times that I've put bananas and eggs into a shopping trolley without even minor incident. Then I remembered that one time when I was carrying bananas and eggs and I dropped my keys. Now I'm literally shaking with rage. Fuck you, ass-hole.

Trigger Warning: by Matt Cavanaugh

The safest thing would be to add a trigger warning for everything written,spoken, or illustrated, listing everything mentioned or portrayed. We should also be cognizant of meta-triggers.

[QuiteSo]

Here is the reason the BB semihumans added Lady Gaga to Level 2. Laughing at a pic of herself saying she looks hermaphroditic in it

[welch]

I see skepticon6 is doing it's best to maintain its reputation for really high quality talks.

10:00 am • How to Swear Secularly with Monette Richards Room B

Monette Richards from Secular Women?
I presume then, we'll hear a nice talk on how one should always avoid gendered insults.
Gendered insults are bad and have no place in civilized discussions!

It's an important lesson, and one that I'm sure the organizers of Skepticon6 really take to heart.

By the way, what's the next talk, at 11.00?

11:00 am • How to Tell Your Friends Jesus was a Dick with Ben Schuldt Room A

:doh:

Dude, you missed some real prizes:

Secular Save Zone Ally Training with Andy Cheadle-Ford
How to Manage Grief with Rebecca Hensler
Handling Public Criticism - Stephanie Zvan
What is your SocioSexual Orientation (SSO) with Darrel Ray
How to Talk/Write about Skepticism for a non-Skeptical Audience with Amanda Marcotte
How to Read Music Critically (Plus Ukelele) with Ashley F. Miller
Getting it On at the Con: How to Get Lucky Consensually with Miri Mogilevsky. (what, right there in the session?)

Godless Perverts hosted by Greta Christina
Rebecca Watson (that's it. no session title, nothing. Just becky.)

Bar Night. (yes, because that's what we need more of - SANCTIONED BOOZING)

Richard Carrier: Is Philosophy Stupid?

Greta Christina: Activist Burnout -- prevention and treatment (wait, one of them did something?)

Bar Night on the Town in Springfield (WHAT A GREAT IDEA)

Rebecca Hensler: Creating and Defending Secular Space
John Corvino: Gay Sex in a Disenchanted Universe
JT Eberhard (Like Becky, JT needs no description. Just being in the room with him is enough.)

Okay so really? Multiple sanction boozefests, a session on how to get laid at a con, one centering on perverts, one on gay sex...

These people haven't jumped the shark, they're face-fucking the poor thing.

[rpguest]

I see skepticon6 is doing it's best to maintain its reputation for really high quality talks.

10:00 am • How to Swear Secularly with Monette Richards Room B

Monette Richards from Secular Women?
I presume then, we'll hear a nice talk on how one should always avoid gendered insults.
Gendered insults are bad and have no place in civilized discussions!

It's an important lesson, and one that I'm sure the organizers of Skepticon6 really take to heart.

By the way, what's the next talk, at 11.00?

11:00 am • How to Tell Your Friends Jesus was a Dick with Ben Schuldt Room A

:doh:

Dude, you missed some real prizes:

Secular Save Zone Ally Training with Andy Cheadle-Ford
How to Manage Grief with Rebecca Hensler
Handling Public Criticism - Stephanie Zvan
What is your SocioSexual Orientation (SSO) with Darrel Ray
How to Talk/Write about Skepticism for a non-Skeptical Audience with Amanda Marcotte
How to Read Music Critically (Plus Ukelele) with Ashley F. Miller
Getting it On at the Con: How to Get Lucky Consensually with Miri Mogilevsky. (what, right there in the session?)

Godless Perverts hosted by Greta Christina
Rebecca Watson (that's it. no session title, nothing. Just becky.)

Bar Night. (yes, because that's what we need more of - SANCTIONED BOOZING)

Richard Carrier: Is Philosophy Stupid?

Greta Christina: Activist Burnout -- prevention and treatment (wait, one of them did something?)

Bar Night on the Town in Springfield (WHAT A GREAT IDEA)

Rebecca Hensler: Creating and Defending Secular Space
John Corvino: Gay Sex in a Disenchanted Universe
JT Eberhard (Like Becky, JT needs no description. Just being in the room with him is enough.)

Okay so really? Multiple sanction boozefests, a session on how to get laid at a con, one centering on perverts, one on gay sex...

These people haven't jumped the shark, they're face-fucking the poor thing.

thats explained in the godless perverts session

[Tribble]

How not to answer questions; With PZ Myers.

So WW2 was inevitable? Then violence was inevitable too? No?

Well, if Poland hadn't been wearing that short skirt, then..

PZ is correct on that one. Historians (e.g. Kershaw) these days view both world wars as directly connected, and more like one war. World War I had a very complicated, quite messy backdrop. The reason is seen as failure of political leaders across Europe. Everyone at the time was used to wars, and deluded themselves that it was to be quick matter. They had this idea that it would go down like some napoleonic war with sabre and on horseback. With a charitable interpretation, PZ Myers means that with his tweets. But you know, charitable interpretations are denying justified anger. So I guess PZ has to deal with it now.

Death is inevitable. The war was not inevitable. It may have been unavoidable thanks to bumbling/short-sighted leaders from around the world. But it was not inevitable.

There were many opportunities for the Axis countries to take a chill pill. There were many opportunities for Europe to arm and present a formidable defense. There were many opportunities for the west to help China and the other Asian countries. But nobody took them. And Hitler and Tojo decided, seeing the opportunities for gain and weak-willed Western responses to prior actions, to press all-out war.

[Tribble]

A longer poke at the bearded taint's attempt to actually write something:

http://dissentionisnothate.wordpress.co ... th-a-crap/

Well written.

[Tribble]

http://i.imgur.com/DZgbqxr.png

Actually, not. There are very few like that. Most just want to do their job, make their money, and not get killed in a pointless, avoidable mistake while being lead by idiots or politicians.

[Tribble]

Ophelia has a weird post up complaining about disney cartoons giving the women juvenile features (small chin and enormous eyes.)

She seems tone deaf to the idea that these are stylized imagery - it is not meant to be photo reproduction of human features.
Ophelia has also missed the issue of why the cartoonists might use over-sized eyes in the first place. For a start it makes it much easier to convey emotion without having to worry about dozens of facial muscles working in the correct way over 25 frames a second. And second, it is well known that people do not like human images that are close to, but not exactly alike, real humans - the famous 'uncanny valley' effect.
Using a device such as enormous eyes will allow you to overcome this type of visceral reation and begin relating to the character.

I tried to watch Beowulf. I didn't know it at the time, but it was heavy CGI and whel they really got the humans looking very 'human' they were very off-putting. They just kept creeping me out and I stopped watching it about one-third of the way in.

[welch]

http://i.imgur.com/DZgbqxr.png

Actually, not. There are very few like that. Most just want to do their job, make their money, and not get killed in a pointless, avoidable mistake while being lead by idiots or politicians.

it's more the "fans" of vets that get pissed off. I mean, some vets are arrogant, insecure assholes. In that respect, they're just like PZ.

But speaking for myself, I don't need 2345345234 people telling me thank you 3 times a year. Fuck, it's not like I ever left the country or went near combat. I mean, I LIKE the idea of at least one day a year where people who weren't in stop and think of vets, regardless of causus belli, or feelings about war and combat. If you want to bitch about that, go yell at your elected officials. Politicians start wars, Politicians end wars. Vets just fight in them.


But you really want to thank a vet? Make future vets unnecessary, and take better care of the current ones.

[windy]

I came across this parody of tumblr feminism:

http://djinaunchained.tumblr.com/

Check your privilege before you wreck your privilege.

I am a curvy, mixed race (black/white), female-bodied person with no gender identity.
I am a vegan.
I consider myself pansexual, not in the most common sense, but in the sense than I am attracted to members of the Pan genus. I identify as an otherkin whose species has only one gender.
My religion is Unitarian Universalism, and I have a personal relationship with a gender-ambiguous, formless God, but other Gods and religions are also valid. I dislike atheist-supremacy.

I love this non-gendered person, though not in a Pan-sexual way :lol:

[Bhurzum]

Rebecca Watson (that's it. no session title, nothing. Just becky.)

I suppose that's because she's like a fucking scratched record:

1) Guys, don't do that
2) The perils of coffee & elevators
3) Trolls, trolls everywhere
4) Richard Dawkins raped my inner child
5) "Douche" turned my vagina into meat rubble
6) Etc ad nausea (or until the bar opens)

She needs no subject matter, she is the subject matter. Quite frankly, I'd rather try the "shark face fucking" thing I recently heard about.

http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a61 ... 7383da.jpg

[Tigzy]

Ophelia has a weird post up complaining about disney cartoons giving the women juvenile features (small chin and enormous eyes.)

She seems tone deaf to the idea that these are stylized imagery - it is not meant to be photo reproduction of human features.
Ophelia has also missed the issue of why the cartoonists might use over-sized eyes in the first place. For a start it makes it much easier to convey emotion without having to worry about dozens of facial muscles working in the correct way over 25 frames a second. And second, it is well known that people do not like human images that are close to, but not exactly alike, real humans - the famous 'uncanny valley' effect.
Using a device such as enormous eyes will allow you to overcome this type of visceral reation and begin relating to the character.

I tried to watch Beowulf. I didn't know it at the time, but it was heavy CGI and whel they really got the humans looking very 'human' they were very off-putting. They just kept creeping me out and I stopped watching it about one-third of the way in.

Yep - as Strawkins said, it's the Uncanny Valley effect. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncanny_valley

Melody Hensley is the only real life humanoid I've ever seen who presents the same effect.

http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mblij ... o1_500.jpg

[Dick Strawkins]

I came across this parody of tumblr feminism:

http://djinaunchained.tumblr.com/

Check your privilege before you wreck your privilege.

I am a curvy, mixed race (black/white), female-bodied person with no gender identity.
I am a vegan.
I consider myself pansexual, not in the most common sense, but in the sense than I am attracted to members of the Pan genus. I identify as an otherkin whose species has only one gender.
My religion is Unitarian Universalism, and I have a personal relationship with a gender-ambiguous, formless God, but other Gods and religions are also valid. I dislike atheist-supremacy.

Tornadoes are also inherently phallic objects. Some say it’s more like a big sucking vagina, but they’re wrong. It’s a long tube that wreaks havoc on anything it touches, exactly like a penis. The hurricane is analogous to a vagina, not the tornado.

If you think people can do things to prevent being fucked up by tornadoes, you’re pretty much assuming all storms are incurable rape machines. Feminism assumes storms are capable of more than that. Teach our storms to stop making tornadoes.

:lol:

It's either a Poe - or one of the admin of the blockbot.



I love this non-gendered person, though not in a Pan-sexual way :lol:

[free thoughtpolice]

Actually, Ophie appeared in a cartoon herself once:

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2 ... m-8944.jpg

As you can see, she wasn't portrayed very realistically - Ophie doesn't have green eyes.

That can't be Ophie, she's smiling and looks too friendly.

[Angry_Drunk]

http://i.imgur.com/DZgbqxr.png

Actually, not. There are very few like that. Most just want to do their job, make their money, and not get killed in a pointless, avoidable mistake while being lead by idiots or politicians.

it's more the "fans" of vets that get pissed off. I mean, some vets are arrogant, insecure assholes. In that respect, they're just like PZ.

But speaking for myself, I don't need 2345345234 people telling me thank you 3 times a year. Fuck, it's not like I ever left the country or went near combat. I mean, I LIKE the idea of at least one day a year where people who weren't in stop and think of vets, regardless of causus belli, or feelings about war and combat. If you want to bitch about that, go yell at your elected officials. Politicians start wars, Politicians end wars. Vets just fight in them.


But you really want to thank a vet? Make future vets unnecessary, and take better care of the current ones.

I actually know a vet who fits PeeZus's description. He spent most of this weekend strutting around the bar flashing a 20 year old picture of himself in uniform --- that is until he did that to someone who a) already doesn't like him and b) served in Vietnam. At that point things got...amusing.

[Tigzy]

Djina Unchained is a hoot! :lol:

I don’t see what all my fellow liberals are upset about. As far as I’m concerned, a government that is shut down is a government that can no longer pass fucked up laws to get inside my uterus and tell me what medical procedures I can and cannot have done. Fuck the government, keep it shut down. If I don’t want to have babies, you can’t make me. I am not your god damned brood mare.

Furthermore, a government that is shut down can’t rape the whole earth with its phallocratic imperialism and leave its depleted uranium semen all over the place.

'Depleted Uranium semen' - there you go Parsehole, who needs a laser cock when you can fire DU shells from it? :lol:

[katamari Damassi]

What a wonderful world I live in if the only thing I have to moan about is cartoon characters.

Next week: Ophelia realizes that Bugs Bunny isn't real when she hears him talk.

The ideal cartoon rabbit has a rack like a...

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2 ... soning.jpg

Um... Trigger warning for trans*phobia please?

[spiffigt]

Sorry for the late reply here.

Joss is still trying to cover up that for the most part, he doesn't really do a great job with women in his work. Snark doesn't cover up that for seven seasons, Buffy was fucking helpless without between 2 and 5 men covering her ass at all times.

The biggest myth in entertainment is that of Whedon being the lead for strong women characters.

This can not be stated enough. I think he has called himself feminist his entire public career. Probably longer. Wymins in Whedon's shows are always victims (to be fair most of his characters end up in the shitter at some point).

Even though Buffy had super strength she was, in many parts, the weakest link in the "Scooby Gang". FWIW i still enjoyed the show, or at least, the first 3-4 seasons.

It seems to me that the female leads in Whedon's creations only seem strong at first but when push comes to shove they need the menz to fix the situation. Hey, wait... that seems awfully familiar. :o Just like the SJW expect women to act.

CAVEAT: I haven't seen any Whedon show in a long time so I may be misremembering.

[welch]

http://i.imgur.com/DZgbqxr.png

Actually, not. There are very few like that. Most just want to do their job, make their money, and not get killed in a pointless, avoidable mistake while being lead by idiots or politicians.

it's more the "fans" of vets that get pissed off. I mean, some vets are arrogant, insecure assholes. In that respect, they're just like PZ.

But speaking for myself, I don't need 2345345234 people telling me thank you 3 times a year. Fuck, it's not like I ever left the country or went near combat. I mean, I LIKE the idea of at least one day a year where people who weren't in stop and think of vets, regardless of causus belli, or feelings about war and combat. If you want to bitch about that, go yell at your elected officials. Politicians start wars, Politicians end wars. Vets just fight in them.


But you really want to thank a vet? Make future vets unnecessary, and take better care of the current ones.

I actually know a vet who fits PeeZus's description. He spent most of this weekend strutting around the bar flashing a 20 year old picture of himself in uniform --- that is until he did that to someone who a) already doesn't like him and b) served in Vietnam. At that point things got...amusing.

The 'Nam vets are not a good target audience for that shit.

[welch]

Sorry for the late reply here.

Joss is still trying to cover up that for the most part, he doesn't really do a great job with women in his work. Snark doesn't cover up that for seven seasons, Buffy was fucking helpless without between 2 and 5 men covering her ass at all times.

The biggest myth in entertainment is that of Whedon being the lead for strong women characters.

This can not be stated enough. I think he has called himself feminist his entire public career. Probably longer. Wymins in Whedon's shows are always victims (to be fair most of his characters end up in the shitter at some point).

Even though Buffy had super strength she was, in many parts, the weakest link in the "Scooby Gang". FWIW i still enjoyed the show, or at least, the first 3-4 seasons.

It seems to me that the female leads in Whedon's creations only seem strong at first but when push comes to shove they need the menz to fix the situation. Hey, wait... that seems awfully familiar. :o Just like the SJW expect women to act.

CAVEAT: I haven't seen any Whedon show in a long time so I may be misremembering.

Honestly, I find that "Once upon a time" does a better job with its women characters. They aren't always any one thing. They have different personalities and they all have their up and down moments.

But I have to say the scene where like a 15' tall ogre is charging snow white's daughter and Snow grabs aggro, and puts an arrow in his eye? Fucking cool. Oh, look, here's a problem and I have to solve it. THWACK. Problem solved. Sans super powers.

here:

[youtube]0RmqoLxTiWM[/youtube]

The dialogue after is pretty cool.

"you have to shoot them in the eye"
"When's the last time you shot an arrow?"
"...28 years ago. I guess it's like riding a bike."
"How'd you know you'd hit it?"
"I didn't"

[Sulman]

The 'Nam vets are not a good target audience for that shit.

I had this impression. I'm new to the US, so I find the celebration of the military very curious - in Britain it's still unusual to see members of the armed forces in uniform among the public. Even at school in the 80's cadets were discouraged from being in uniform outside of training, if not explicitly forbidden, but it was always stated that was a security practice.

My understanding is that the positive attitude in the states is relatively new, and Vietnam Veterans did not enjoy anything like this level of public support when they came home. Quite the opposite.

[spiffigt]

For some reason I'm now wondering what kind of rack E.T. has.

[img.]http://cdn-media.hollywood.com/images/l ... zan-et.jpg[/img]

Well... there's that E.T. porn movie, if you're interested into that:

http://blip.tv/the-cinema-snob/e-t-the- ... ob-3066681

You're welcome.

The cinema snob is worth checking out.

Worst thing is - there is a new one.
[youtube]7vDFFNbiuYs[/youtube]
Why? Why? Why?

[Tribble]

Ophelia has a weird post up complaining about disney cartoons giving the women juvenile features (small chin and enormous eyes.)

She seems tone deaf to the idea that these are stylized imagery - it is not meant to be photo reproduction of human features.
Ophelia has also missed the issue of why the cartoonists might use over-sized eyes in the first place. For a start it makes it much easier to convey emotion without having to worry about dozens of facial muscles working in the correct way over 25 frames a second. And second, it is well known that people do not like human images that are close to, but not exactly alike, real humans - the famous 'uncanny valley' effect.
Using a device such as enormous eyes will allow you to overcome this type of visceral reation and begin relating to the character.

I tried to watch Beowulf. I didn't know it at the time, but it was heavy CGI and whel they really got the humans looking very 'human' they were very off-putting. They just kept creeping me out and I stopped watching it about one-third of the way in.

Yep - as Strawkins said, it's the Uncanny Valley effect. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncanny_valley

Melody Hensley is the only real life humanoid I've ever seen who presents the same effect.

http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mblij ... o1_500.jpg

:( It's sad because it's true.

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

The 'Nam vets are not a good target audience for that shit.

I had this impression. I'm new to the US, so I find the celebration of the military very curious - in Britain it's still unusual to see members of the armed forces in uniform among the public. Even at school in the 80's cadets were discouraged from being in uniform outside of training, if not explicitly forbidden, but it was always stated that was a security practice.

My understanding is that the positive attitude in the states is relatively new, and Vietnam Veterans did not enjoy anything like this level of public support when they came home. Quite the opposite.

I think I saw a documentary about this. First Blood, or something...

[Dick Strawkins]

Peezus has another post today pontificating away on how scientists are doing research all wrong.
Not like him, of course.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... /#comments

It's in connection with a nice piece of research by a set of research groups working in collaboration on a specific question regarding the development of the pancreas. They were looking into a condition called 'pancreatic agenesis' - essentially failure of the pancreas to develop in babies. Rather than a single gene being responsible, what they discovered was that alterations in a regulatory segment of DNA was important - and this segment of DNA was located far from any coding genes.

I actually know one of the scientists mentioned in the article linked from Pharyngula - I worked with him in Oxford in the early 90s (he was the other researcher who was threatened with violence - and presumably the end his career, by the same group leader who threatened the same thing to me.) So I'm glad for him to have this success, he certainly deserves it. It is not easy to succeed in such a competitive field but this guy has gone on to do some great independent research.
Myers, on the other hand, dropped research at the very first opportunity.
He feels confident, however, to take pot-shots at real scientists who do real work.
And why?
Because he feels that the press release that publicizes this story isn't specific enough about the definition of 'junk DNA' and therefore this might provide ammunition to creationists who have taken to making stupid claims about 'junk DNA'.
Speaking as someone who has worked in the field of non-coding DNA for almost two decades, I can tell you for certain that PZ Myers is regarded with as much respect and authority in that field of research as Justin Vacula. In other words he is a complete unknown.
He hasn't published a single paper on the topic. He rarely writes about it - and when he does it is sub-wikipedia standard waffle.
Myers might be good at his own narrow field of expertise (developmental biology) but the more I see him stray outside that into things I know about he just demonstrates his own ignorance.
Who the hell does he think he is, lecturing experts in the field that they need to read the textbooks he recommends!
What an arrogant fuckwit.

His displeasure with the press release seems to be based in the idea that it might provide unwittingly giving succour to creationists.

This was a European research collaboration and the press release was for UK based news media.
We don't do creationism here - at least not in a significant way.
I have never heard a single scientist working in genomic research talking about creationism.
Frankly almost no scientist in Europe gives a flying fuck about the US creationism problem. Sort it out yourselves.
So what if US creationists misinterpret a small press release from the UK.
If that press release generates additional publicity and more grants for the UK team then it has succeeded in the only job it was meant to do.

PS, Peezus, go fuck yourself.

[Tony Parsehole]

Well... there's that E.T. porn movie, if you're interested into that:

http://blip.tv/the-cinema-snob/e-t-the- ... ob-3066681

You're welcome.

Oh, my sweet summer child. I thought the E.T. porno was pretty grim but this mucky SpongeBob video made me suicidal. He looks like a crack addicted hash brown.
Trigger warning. Not for content but for for a shitty porn site.

http://www.xvideos.com/video3875571/spo ... squarenuts