Bleeding from the Bunghole

[Git]

If a woman reads 50 Shades Of Grey and then has sex with a man has that man raped her given that without the book she wouldn't have had sex with him?

I consider reading 50 Shades of Gray enthusiastic consent.

I consider it not having a fucking clue to BDSM.

[yomomma]

I'd wear breast-protectors if you're going to hug Andrew. :D

Oh, yeah, I forgot. Andrew's stranger danger with his booby obsession.

[Service Dog]

Skepchick: where Intersectionality means it's ok to fear and hate blacks,
so long as they live somewhere shitty and are male.

http://i.imgur.com/AF8j9qA.png

http://i.imgur.com/KZEHyfD.png

[Service Dog]

note: the the skepchick quote and the biker in the courtroom-- are unrelated. Just a mindlessly provocative juxtaposition of 2 browser tabs I happened to have open. It doesn't make much sense, even to me.

[bovarchist]

Skepchick: where Intersectionality means it's ok to fear and hate blacks,
so long as they live somewhere shitty and are male.

http://i.imgur.com/AF8j9qA.png

http://i.imgur.com/KZEHyfD.png

The Biker Who Started It All. Worst Dr. Seuss story ever.

[DownThunder]

Does anybody else see a ghoulish undead monster inside service dog's red hairy vagina? Seriously I can see its head. Its fucking creepy.

[bovarchist]

Does anybody else see a ghoulish undead monster inside service dog's red hairy vagina? Seriously I can see its head. Its fucking creepy.

It's just pareighoulia.

[James Caruthers]

Nah, they'd likely fall well on the left side. The difference is that they are far, far into the authoritarian parts of the board, sharing the same kind of ideological ideas as those that could be found both in totalitarian communist, theocratic and fascist states. It's this idea that they somehow (via scripture, science or just "common sense") are certain they have access to objectively true moral knowledge, and that they need to enforce moral and ideological purity, with anti-democratic and violent methods if need be.

IMO you see far more of this totalitarian streak in the left than in the right these days, in many leftist circles you can find almost a contempt for the western democracy, and it's not hard at all to find leftist attacking core democratic concepts like free speech, freedom of though, innocent until proven guilty, the right to a fair trial, etc.

There's also a old culture among intellectual left to excuse the most horrible deeds of violence and oppression when it's done by "their side", or even just "my enemy's enemy". They were defending genocidal maniacs like Pol Pot in the 70s (some still do), and today you find leftist journalist writing apologetic texts about Mohammed Merah, barely condemning his deeds while feeling a need to "explain" him as a product of western imperialism, and the racism and class injustices in France.

Oh, and again, so that no one get any funny ideas, I'm very much on the left side myself. That is the exact reason why I'm getting so incredibly frustrated by these fucktard leftists.

http://www.politicalcompass.org/faceboo ... &soc=-7.08
I agree. I think the fundamental split in US politics right now is authoritarians vs libertarians. Authoritarians tend to have more political and cultural power at the moment. And I definitely think most feminists are authoritarians. I have now reached a very curious situation where I identify more with someone who is a conservative libertarian than the party which claims to represent me. The way I see it, economic slapfights over how best to run the country are less important than preserving our fundamental civil rights, many of which (1st, 2nd, 4th and 5th Amendments) are currently either under fire or outright gone. And anyway, there's no point arguing about economic politics when neither true liberals nor true conservatives currently have power in Washington. The discussion is academic.

And in many cases, as you said, it's the liberals leading the charge against the right to freely express oneself ("your right to speak ends when you offend a marginalized group, using our definition of marginalization"), or the right of consenting adults to film pornography ("it objectifies women.")

Despite being liberal as fuck, I'm at a point where I have no idea who I'll be voting for next election cycle. Or if I'll even be voting.

I definitely agree about contempt for the classic ideals of free democracy. Many liberals get very upset when folks talk about totally free and open debate, and allowing everyone to be involved in the process. I've heard a number of them express the sentiment that it's too bad every citizen gets to vote, because the people who vote against liberal ideas are evil and bad.

The "I don't agree with you, but I'll die for your right to speak" breed of American citizen seems to be an endangered species.

[windy]

Joan Smith 2011:

There's nothing wrong with posing in the nude and I just wish more women felt comfortable enough with their bodies to do it. I've never been tempted to pose for a nude centrefold, as a friend of mine did in the Seventies, but I've been photographed without clothes many times, most recently last winter. I'd be cross if the pictures appeared on the internet without my permission, but only because I think everyone is entitled to decide how much of their private selves they expose in public.

...unless it's their boobs
Joan Smith 2013:

I am sick of this, and so are a lot of other people. Publishing pictures of women's breasts in newspapers encourages the idea that we're just a collection of body parts, which is why I support the campaign to get rid of Page 3. I don't think half the population should be crudely displayed for the edification of the other half – and to sell newspapers.

But that's not all, she also wants to get rid of internet porn:

The old argument which characterised porn as central to free speech has been challenged by a more sophisticated understanding of its mostly dire impact on equality. The kind of porn which shows submissive women and dominant men – and that's just about all of it on the internet – distorts human relationships. It normalises brutality and the notion that women exist solely to do what men want. That isn't tolerable if you want to live in a society that treats both sexes with respect.

"just about all" internet porn shows submissive women??? :doh:

[James Caruthers]

"More sophisticated understanding" of its "dire impact on equality"? Some Orwellian doublespeak there.

And "just about all" porn that I've seen involves dominant women initiating sex with submissive men. Go look. I'll wait.

[BarnOwl]

note: the the skepchick quote and the biker in the courtroom-- are unrelated. Just a mindlessly provocative juxtaposition of 2 browser tabs I happened to have open. It doesn't make much sense, even to me.

If that's the biker who pulled in front of the Lien family SUV and stopped on the highway such that it would be almost impossible to avoid bumping him, yes, I think he did start it. I've been surrounded by 10-12 bikers while driving my truck alone on a somewhat deserted farm-to-market road, and if they'd put me in the same position, I think I would have run right over the top of them to get away as well. Fortunately, the bikers who surrounded me seemed to just be showing off (doing wheelies and other tricks ... for a middle-aged woman, though? :mrgreen: ), and none of them pulled in front of my truck or attempted to touch it in any way. They didn't seem to be threatening, but it was still a bit unnerving - F250s aren't known for maneuverability or for stopping on a dime, and if one of them had fallen while performing a stunt, I probably couldn't have avoided him.

I wonder if the local Land Rover dealership will add a few crotch rockets and biker dummies to their test-drive obstacle course? :twisted:

[FrankGrimes]

I wondered why [Watson] was allowed to link her merch site, if the editor missed it, ignored it, or if part or all of her payment for writing articles is use her space there to promote her merch ,appearances, and etc.

With Watson it's all about self-promotion and turning a buck. All of it.

Don't forget the free booze and hotel rooms and mindless adulation from "fans". These things don't seem to be factoring into her popsci thing yet but give it time. I'm sure she's working towards something.

[Suet Cardigan]

"More sophisticated understanding" of its "dire impact on equality"? Some Orwellian doublespeak there.

And "just about all" porn that I've seen involves dominant women initiating sex with submissive men. Go look. I'll wait.

Yes, because only simple-minded people believe in that freedom-of-speech malarkey. Sophisticated thinkers like Joan Smith are above that sort of thing, and know what's best for us plebs.

The liberal-left papers in the UK seem much more pro-censorship these days. In fact, you're more likely to read an article defending freedom of speech in the Daily Telegraph than the Guardian or Independent these days.

[BarnOwl]

PZ is being oppressed by his Kindle:

We already share highlighting — I get a little annoyed when I’m reading on my kindle and suddenly there’s a block of text with a dotted underline — other people thought that section worthy of notice and have shared their emphasis with the world.

Here's an idea: read the Kindle with the WiFi turned off. Or simply turn off the shared highlights function.

[KiwiInOz]

yomomma said:

I didn't want to offend or try to cause conflict with the moderator(s) as I am a guest here and I do appreciate the forum.

yomomma, we are all guests here, including myself, Gumby, and Aneris.

Exactly. And the general guideline is not to take yourself (or anyone else) too seriously here. Sure, there are some good discussions, but in general the Pit is one big piss take. Everyone is fair game. And watching welch and Steersman bitch slap each other is always good for a laugh.

[Brive1987]

What, are you feeling bad that Welch and Steersman are fighting? You had to see Welch and Franc fighting. Those were the days.

let us summon franc back to those good old days by incessantly lauding apple products

Franc was raging more against tech in general, because people should live in a cave and only communicate by beating up a bear and carving your messages into its gonads, or something typical of the luddite hipster mentality or something. It was incredibly stupid, so it tended to all blur. Apple was a convenient focal point for him because they're popular.

Yes, any tech can be abused. Fire. Bears. Caves. Smartphones. It's like the dumbasses complaining that the fingerprint sensor in the iPhone 5s won't keep the NSA and Zombie Hitler out of your phone, and ignoring statement after statement that it was never designed for that. It was aimed at the 50% or so of smartphone users who have NO form of passphrase, because it's kind of a pain in the ass. It is, literally, designed to be better than nothing. It does achieve that, and it is pretty damned convenient. (The dumbasses saying you should just use a passphrase on your phone like Erin0}oxalic simply prove that nerds rarely talk to anyone outside of their idiot circlejerks. )

Facebook can be a complete waste of time, or it can be a great way to keep in touch with people you care about who are far away. Same thing with Instant Messaging, or anything else. It's up to the individual as to which one it is. Nothing says you have to accept every friend request or like every page. There's no requirement to make yourself miserable with it. I know when I had to start having my son start the "latchkey" thing, I was very happy when he was old enough to handle a cellphone. There was no small increase in piece of mind there for both of us.

Bitching about tech/a specific device just because it's popular or whatever makes you sound like the gimps who protested the typewriter or the ballpoint pen for making the writing of letters all too easy.

PZ uses a Mac. Therefore Apple = evil. You loose. Stand down.

http://i.imgur.com/zycpX5M.jpg

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... 6672-more/

[uberfeminist]

PZ uses a Mac. Therefore Apple = evil. You loose. Stand down.

http://i.imgur.com/zycpX5M.jpg

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... 6672-more/

Actually Atheism+ does think Apple is evil, however does not denounce because PZ uses Apple products and he will find it difficult to switch (!!).

I wish I was joking.

http://uberfeminist.blogspot.com/2012/1 ... apple.html

[JackRayner]

Hi. I don't have the time necessary to do much beyond passively listening to videos on youtube or shooting quick tweets here and there, but I wanted to drop by to show you guys some of Damion's latest work.

Is it just me, or is this retard trying to suggest that Astrokid [which, to my knowledge, hasn't posted here in many, many months] and myself speak for the slymepit?

Yeah, I know. It's pointless bothering which such a slimy little cunt, but I thought you guys might at least find it entertaining. Peace and chicken grease! ;)

[Badger3k]

I wondered why [Watson] was allowed to link her merch site, if the editor missed it, ignored it, or if part or all of her payment for writing articles is use her space there to promote her merch ,appearances, and etc.

It is truly gratifying to see Watson turned off her comments. It means we are only left with the innate intellectual value of the OP. It means we are left with nothing at all.

http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2 ... r-comments

Google cache:

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/s ... =firefox-a

I like the "debunking hangover cures" comment myself

[FlyingV]

Skepchick: where Intersectionality means it's ok to fear and hate blacks,
so long as they live somewhere shitty and are male.

It's probably a good thing that many people from that camp also fall on the "no gun" side of that debate. At least it lowers the number of nutjobs with guns.

Call me naive, but I do not fear men or high-crime areas. I may avoid high-crime areas and tend to be more alert when I am in a higher crime area, but fear is just not something I experience very often. Luckily for me, neither is hate.

[FlyingV]

"just about all" internet porn shows submissive women??? :doh:

Not true. It only shows ugly dudes which is why women get so mad about it.

[Lsuoma]

I don't know if there's ever been a study on this, but I would assume that "pretty" women are hit on more than average looking women, but maybe not. Who knows?

It depends on the time and place. In my experience, when I used to go clubbing, I'd go for the good looking lasses at the beginning of the night and at the end of the night I'd do the "2 o'clock bin-rake" and look for a desperate fatty who would definitely want to go home with me.

Yes, I've got too many alcohol fuelled memories of pumping Watson-level mingers at the end of a long hard night (I apologise to all the pearl-clutching maiden aunts on here for lowering the tone, but let's be honest, Watson is a tree-pig).

It wasn't that drinking huge amounts of alcohol made them any better looking, it was just that it made me less bothered about my mates ripping the piss out of me. That soon changed once I sobered up. There is an unwritten law of the universe that states that if you sneak off with a grunter there will always be one of your friends there to witness it.


(I think that should have pissed off the usual suspects. My work is done)

Why is a bush-pig like a moped?

[Steersman]

....
If that's the best thing you can come up with, I don't see a huge reason to take anything you say seriously. I've yet to see too many people not get my point as I mean to say it.

They may not LIKE that, but in general, they seem to get the meaning I wished them to get. I'm somewhat deliberate about that, I've had to write documentation. Ensuring people read what I'm writing correctly is important to me.

Your turn Pius.

Therefore in every case it's never your fault? Looks rather like Papal Infallibility to me. Rather like insisting that experience is proof against error.

Oh look at you, trying to make a point I never made. Strawmanning for fun and profit now?

Here's the thing, I didn't say anything of the sort.

I said in general, from what I've seen, people get the point i'm trying to make, because I spend a bit of time making that point. Here, my actual words again, that you quoted, but apparently, didn't read:

I've yet to see too many people not get my point as I mean to say it.

They may not LIKE that, but in general, they seem to get the meaning I wished them to get.

I’m sure you’re a whizz-bang documentation writer, at least in areas where the subject matter has some objective tangibility. But that isn’t generally the point, actually the points, I raised or suggested in the first place that started this discussion, to wit:

1) Experience – particularly as evidenced by the number of comments one has under one’s belt, and particularly in an unrelated area – doesn’t necessarily mean that one’s prognostications or judgements are necessarily better or more accurate than those of someone else with less experience.

And:

2) Your rather imperiously telling Damion “to run along” is analogous to Caine and company telling other commenters at Pharyngula what to do with porcupines, flaming or otherwise. Do note that the similarity of the analogy is in the implicit “fuck off”, the difference is in the vituperativeness of the langauge. But the upshot and philosophy behind both are largely the same. In my opinion, humble or otherwise.

You might want to try focusing on those points rather than throwing out a bunch of red herrings how other people get your point or not in other circumstances or on other topics. The point, at least relative to the first of the above, is a question of statistics, of whether the probabilities – not the certainties – are with the person with more experience or not.

[Lsuoma]

What, are you feeling bad that Welch and Steersman are fighting? You had to see Welch and Franc fighting. Those were the days.

Fuck that shit - franc and justi back at ERV FTW!!!

[welch]

Joan Smith 2011:

There's nothing wrong with posing in the nude and I just wish more women felt comfortable enough with their bodies to do it. I've never been tempted to pose for a nude centrefold, as a friend of mine did in the Seventies, but I've been photographed without clothes many times, most recently last winter. I'd be cross if the pictures appeared on the internet without my permission, but only because I think everyone is entitled to decide how much of their private selves they expose in public.

...unless it's their boobs
Joan Smith 2013:

I am sick of this, and so are a lot of other people. Publishing pictures of women's breasts in newspapers encourages the idea that we're just a collection of body parts, which is why I support the campaign to get rid of Page 3. I don't think half the population should be crudely displayed for the edification of the other half – and to sell newspapers.

But that's not all, she also wants to get rid of internet porn:

The old argument which characterised porn as central to free speech has been challenged by a more sophisticated understanding of its mostly dire impact on equality. The kind of porn which shows submissive women and dominant men – and that's just about all of it on the internet – distorts human relationships. It normalises brutality and the notion that women exist solely to do what men want. That isn't tolerable if you want to live in a society that treats both sexes with respect.

"just about all" internet porn shows submissive women??? :doh:

tl;dr: "It's okay when I do it"

I'm rather sick of the constancy that keeps showing up.

[welch]

let us summon franc back to those good old days by incessantly lauding apple products

Franc was raging more against tech in general, because people should live in a cave and only communicate by beating up a bear and carving your messages into its gonads, or something typical of the luddite hipster mentality or something. It was incredibly stupid, so it tended to all blur. Apple was a convenient focal point for him because they're popular.

Yes, any tech can be abused. Fire. Bears. Caves. Smartphones. It's like the dumbasses complaining that the fingerprint sensor in the iPhone 5s won't keep the NSA and Zombie Hitler out of your phone, and ignoring statement after statement that it was never designed for that. It was aimed at the 50% or so of smartphone users who have NO form of passphrase, because it's kind of a pain in the ass. It is, literally, designed to be better than nothing. It does achieve that, and it is pretty damned convenient. (The dumbasses saying you should just use a passphrase on your phone like Erin0}oxalic simply prove that nerds rarely talk to anyone outside of their idiot circlejerks. )

Facebook can be a complete waste of time, or it can be a great way to keep in touch with people you care about who are far away. Same thing with Instant Messaging, or anything else. It's up to the individual as to which one it is. Nothing says you have to accept every friend request or like every page. There's no requirement to make yourself miserable with it. I know when I had to start having my son start the "latchkey" thing, I was very happy when he was old enough to handle a cellphone. There was no small increase in piece of mind there for both of us.

Bitching about tech/a specific device just because it's popular or whatever makes you sound like the gimps who protested the typewriter or the ballpoint pen for making the writing of letters all too easy.

PZ uses a Mac. Therefore Apple = evil. You loose. Stand down.

http://i.imgur.com/zycpX5M.jpg

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... 6672-more/

Oh please, the fact *I* use Macs is more of an indicator of evil than the morris doughboy using them.

[Steersman]

<snip>
Therefore in every case it's never your fault? Looks rather like Papal Infallibility to me. Rather like insisting that experience is proof against error.

Jesus Christ you two cunts. You sound like stupid 5th graders. "I can beat you up!" "Oh yeah!" "Yeah!" "Fine stoopid... I'll meet you by the bike rack after school.... you better be there!" "Oh... I''ll be there alright... you better be there!" "Chicken!"

Shut the fuck up!

And you and welch were what? Fourth-graders? At least I'm making some attempt to provide some tangible evidence and citations. I don't recollect either of you providing much of that.

[welch]

Hi. I don't have the time necessary to do much beyond passively listening to videos on youtube or shooting quick tweets here and there, but I wanted to drop by to show you guys some of Damion's latest work.

Is it just me, or is this retard trying to suggest that Astrokid [which, to my knowledge, hasn't posted here in many, many months] and myself speak for the slymepit?

Yeah, I know. It's pointless bothering which such a slimy little cunt, but I thought you guys might at least find it entertaining. Peace and chicken grease! ;)

Could Damion be any more of a puling dipwad?

[Steersman]

What, are you feeling bad that Welch and Steersman are fighting? You had to see Welch and Franc fighting. Those were the days.

Fuck that shit - franc and justi back at ERV FTW!!!

Yea, that was pretty classic stuff.

[windy]

note: the the skepchick quote and the biker in the courtroom-- are unrelated. Just a mindlessly provocative juxtaposition of 2 browser tabs I happened to have open. It doesn't make much sense, even to me.

If that's the biker who pulled in front of the Lien family SUV and stopped on the highway such that it would be almost impossible to avoid bumping him, yes, I think he did start it.

I came across this comment -no idea if legit- claiming it's a way to extort money from drivers:

As a trucker that would deliver in north jersey and New York I am familiar with these gangs. I can hopefully clarify a few things. First the initial "accident" is part of a game they play. They ride in a huge group and will operate together to slow down traffic. Next they pick out high end vehicles targeting people with families in them, the targets will usually be white or Asian. Then one of the riders will do a "brake check" and stop suddenly in front of the target vehicle causing a minor bump. In some cases they will just roll back into their target vehicle. They will then mob the vehicle demanding money and or begin attacking the person inside. It is their practice to also slash the tires to prevent the vehicle from escaping. Truckers are well aware of them and are advised not to stop.

[welch]

Therefore in every case it's never your fault? Looks rather like Papal Infallibility to me. Rather like insisting that experience is proof against error.

Oh look at you, trying to make a point I never made. Strawmanning for fun and profit now?

Here's the thing, I didn't say anything of the sort.

I said in general, from what I've seen, people get the point i'm trying to make, because I spend a bit of time making that point. Here, my actual words again, that you quoted, but apparently, didn't read:

I've yet to see too many people not get my point as I mean to say it.

They may not LIKE that, but in general, they seem to get the meaning I wished them to get.

I’m sure you’re a whizz-bang documentation writer, at least in areas where the subject matter has some objective tangibility. But that isn’t generally the point, actually the points, I raised or suggested in the first place that started this discussion, to wit:

1) Experience – particularly as evidenced by the number of comments one has under one’s belt, and particularly in an unrelated area – doesn’t necessarily mean that one’s prognostications or judgements are necessarily better or more accurate than those of someone else with less experience.

yet you called someone out based on them having fewer comments than you. You can blather on all day about why, (and lord knows, you sure as fuck will), but that is what you did, and what you still defend even as you say it's a bad idea. Self-awareness is not your thing, is it.

And:

2) Your rather imperiously telling Damion “to run along” is analogous to Caine and company telling other commenters at Pharyngula what to do with porcupines, flaming or otherwise. Do note that the similarity of the analogy is in the implicit “fuck off”, the difference is in the vituperativeness of the langauge. But the upshot and philosophy behind both are largely the same. In my opinion, humble or otherwise.

Yes, yes, of course. I'm just like Caine and the rest. However can I make it up to you, oh great blathering tit?

You might want to try focusing on those points rather than throwing out a bunch of red herrings how other people get your point or not in other circumstances or on other topics. The point, at least relative to the first of the above, is a question of statistics, of whether the probabilities – not the certainties – are with the person with more experience or not.

Yes, I should be like you and have all the laser-like focus of a disco ball in a strobe light factory in an earthquake.

Shouldn't you have thrown in a comment about "papal infallibility"?

[welch]

<snip>
Therefore in every case it's never your fault? Looks rather like Papal Infallibility to me. Rather like insisting that experience is proof against error.

Jesus Christ you two cunts. You sound like stupid 5th graders. "I can beat you up!" "Oh yeah!" "Yeah!" "Fine stoopid... I'll meet you by the bike rack after school.... you better be there!" "Oh... I''ll be there alright... you better be there!" "Chicken!"

Shut the fuck up!

And you and welch were what? Fourth-graders? At least I'm making some attempt to provide some tangible evidence and citations. I don't recollect either of you providing much of that.

Luckily, you're better than everyone.

[Lsuoma]

Hi. I don't have the time necessary to do much beyond passively listening to videos on youtube or shooting quick tweets here and there, but I wanted to drop by to show you guys some of Damion's latest work.

Is it just me, or is this retard trying to suggest that Astrokid [which, to my knowledge, hasn't posted here in many, many months] and myself speak for the slymepit?

Yeah, I know. It's pointless bothering which such a slimy little cunt, but I thought you guys might at least find it entertaining. Peace and chicken grease! ;)

Oh, that's just little Dayday whoring for hits. Don't worby about him...

[Steersman]

Hi. I don't have the time necessary to do much beyond passively listening to videos on youtube or shooting quick tweets here and there, but I wanted to drop by to show you guys some of Damion's latest work.

Is it just me, or is this retard trying to suggest that Astrokid [which, to my knowledge, hasn't posted here in many, many months] and myself speak for the slymepit?

Yeah, I know. It's pointless bothering [with] such a slimy little cunt, but I thought you guys might at least find it entertaining. Peace and chicken grease! ;)

I think it might be just you. And Welch. Damion's lead-off:

Speaking of which, I wonder whether a few SlymePitters will jump in on this organized effort to make people (mostly women) feel bad about themselves. Anyone care to bet?

Bit of a stretch to see how that might be suggesting that Astrokid is speaking for the Slymepit. Although I'll concede that it does look suspiciously like laying on some "guilt by association" - if one Slymepitter is that bad then they must all be like that. Why didn't he say, "a few Republicans". Or a few MRAs. Or a few men. Or a few Mexicans.

[Steersman]

<snip>

I’m sure you’re a whizz-bang documentation writer, at least in areas where the subject matter has some objective tangibility. But that isn’t generally the point, actually the points, I raised or suggested in the first place that started this discussion, to wit:

1) Experience – particularly as evidenced by the number of comments one has under one’s belt, and particularly in an unrelated area – doesn’t necessarily mean that one’s prognostications or judgements are necessarily better or more accurate than those of someone else with less experience.

yet you called someone out based on them having fewer comments than you. You can blather on all day about why, (and lord knows, you sure as fuck will), but that is what you did, and what you still defend even as you say it's a bad idea. Self-awareness is not your thing, is it.

Bit of a stretch, if not some impressive hyperbole and strawmaning of your own, to characterize my comment as calling someone out, particularly given their own previous comment, that is:

Considering the relative number of comments we’ve each made here, I find that “get over yourself” rather a hoot.

[windy]

"just about all" internet porn shows submissive women??? :doh:

Not true. It only shows ugly dudes which is why women get so mad about it.

The good-looking ones are all in gay porn.

(j/k, Evan Stone is hot)

[bhoytony]

Why is a bush-pig like a moped?

Both fun to ride, but etc. etc.

[Service Dog]

note: the the skepchick quote and the biker in the courtroom-- are unrelated. Just a mindlessly provocative juxtaposition of 2 browser tabs I happened to have open. It doesn't make much sense, even to me.

If that's the biker who pulled in front of the Lien family SUV and stopped on the highway such that it would be almost impossible to avoid bumping him, yes, I think he did start it. I've been surrounded by 10-12 bikers while driving my truck alone on a somewhat deserted farm-to-market road, and if they'd put me in the same position, I think I would have run right over the top of them to get away as well. Fortunately, the bikers who surrounded me seemed to just be showing off (doing wheelies and other tricks ... for a middle-aged woman, though? :mrgreen: ), and none of them pulled in front of my truck or attempted to touch it in any way. They didn't seem to be threatening, but it was still a bit unnerving - F250s aren't known for maneuverability or for stopping on a dime, and if one of them had fallen while performing a stunt, I probably couldn't have avoided him.

I wonder if the local Land Rover dealership will add a few crotch rockets and biker dummies to their test-drive obstacle course? :twisted:

Yeah, he's the one who put his helmet thru the driver's window. His charges included unlawful imprisonment & he was facing 25 years-- but got off with 20 hours of community service: http://nypost.com/2013/10/06/cops-bust- ... ed-family/

I have a friend who fixes those idiots' bikes. He has done shit every bit as retarded as that attack. I never told him "either me or them", because his choice was clearly "them". But ever-since his livelihood became dependent on collecting from those deadbeats for repairs-- he has been under no illusion that they're a swell bunch of pals.

[AndrewV69]

(For the love of PeeZuss Christ! Do we want peeps here yowling about being deserving of hugs? And flouncing due to the lack of?)


Homey don't do dat!!!

Sounds like someone needs a hug!

Were you around for "Hugsgate" over at A+? Long story short ... Simpleflower ran into trouble over giving hugs. Roughly it was like this :

I'am sorry but if this is a forum where I am not deserving of hugs I am going to have to leave
...
Why are the mods sanctioning this abuse ?
...
Are you going to ban me? Because I give and recieve hugs?

Justicar tried ... tried really hard to comment:

[youtube]9C_11laqbvM[/youtube]

(I would have given a trigger warning but it seems I am the only one who needs it, and seeing as I am already triggered I am now looking around for some boobs to honk).

[Kareem]

Joan Smith 2011:

There's nothing wrong with posing in the nude and I just wish more women felt comfortable enough with their bodies to do it. I've never been tempted to pose for a nude centrefold, as a friend of mine did in the Seventies, but I've been photographed without clothes many times, most recently last winter. I'd be cross if the pictures appeared on the internet without my permission, but only because I think everyone is entitled to decide how much of their private selves they expose in public.

...unless it's their boobs
Joan Smith 2013:

I am sick of this, and so are a lot of other people. Publishing pictures of women's breasts in newspapers encourages the idea that we're just a collection of body parts, which is why I support the campaign to get rid of Page 3. I don't think half the population should be crudely displayed for the edification of the other half – and to sell newspapers.

But that's not all, she also wants to get rid of internet porn:

The old argument which characterised porn as central to free speech has been challenged by a more sophisticated understanding of its mostly dire impact on equality. The kind of porn which shows submissive women and dominant men – and that's just about all of it on the internet – distorts human relationships. It normalises brutality and the notion that women exist solely to do what men want. That isn't tolerable if you want to live in a society that treats both sexes with respect.

"just about all" internet porn shows submissive women??? :doh:

This is one of those two-faced patterns I hate in modern feminism. A woman showing her breasts is empowered, but a man looking is objectification. Lena Dunham is brave for appearing naked, but there's no way Beyonce can be a feminist, not with those skimpy outfits.

As much as they claim they're "pro-sex" they take every chance to undermine sex work or even just women who want to show off their bodies to men. I pray for the day one of these puritans are exposed as a Christian fundamentalist who infiltrated feminism.

And why would anyone care what's on page 3 of THE SUN? Is it a prestigious tabloid but for that one bit?

[free thoughtpolice]

Why is a bush-pig like a moped?

Mounting is always awkward?

[Lsuoma]

Why is a bush-pig like a moped?

Mounting is always awkward?

They're both good for a ride till your mates find out.

[Badger3k]

Hi. I don't have the time necessary to do much beyond passively listening to videos on youtube or shooting quick tweets here and there, but I wanted to drop by to show you guys some of Damion's latest work.

Is it just me, or is this retard trying to suggest that Astrokid [which, to my knowledge, hasn't posted here in many, many months] and myself speak for the slymepit?

Yeah, I know. It's pointless bothering which such a slimy little cunt, but I thought you guys might at least find it entertaining. Peace and chicken grease! ;)

Oh, that's just little Dayday whoring for hits. Don't worby about him...

Is he getting as bad as colon? "Will one of the slymepit join in in the fat shaming?" (Close approximation). - wtf? I guess his butthurt is turning into an obsession.

[AndrewV69]

In other news:

http://lifenews.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com ... ldsign.jpg

Ummm ...

[welch]

<snip>

I’m sure you’re a whizz-bang documentation writer, at least in areas where the subject matter has some objective tangibility. But that isn’t generally the point, actually the points, I raised or suggested in the first place that started this discussion, to wit:

1) Experience – particularly as evidenced by the number of comments one has under one’s belt, and particularly in an unrelated area – doesn’t necessarily mean that one’s prognostications or judgements are necessarily better or more accurate than those of someone else with less experience.

yet you called someone out based on them having fewer comments than you. You can blather on all day about why, (and lord knows, you sure as fuck will), but that is what you did, and what you still defend even as you say it's a bad idea. Self-awareness is not your thing, is it.

Bit of a stretch, if not some impressive hyperbole and strawmaning of your own, to characterize my comment as calling someone out, particularly given their own previous comment, that is:

Considering the relative number of comments we’ve each made here, I find that “get over yourself” rather a hoot.

No, no, you couldn't be in the wrong at all.

What was that about "papal infallibility"?

[Guest]

Hi. I don't have the time necessary to do much beyond passively listening to videos on youtube or shooting quick tweets here and there, but I wanted to drop by to show you guys some of Damion's latest work.

Is it just me, or is this retard trying to suggest that Astrokid [which, to my knowledge, hasn't posted here in many, many months] and myself speak for the slymepit?

Yeah, I know. It's pointless bothering which such a slimy little cunt, but I thought you guys might at least find it entertaining. Peace and chicken grease! ;)

dont think astrokid made it out of the first thread, so more than a year

posted probably as much as oolon, shining example of the pit

[Parody Accountant]

So I took the Political Compass again (last time was eight years ago), and this time I'm even farther left.

[img.]http://euniana.kahlan.org/political-compass-2013.png[/img]

I'd like to see the numbers on Peezus and the commentariat. From my perspective over here, I could probably call them all right-wingers.

when plotted against the 2012 election candidates (mainstream)...

http://i.imgur.com/EH6XHXE.png

Perhaps we're the weird ones here? Did anybody score in the upper right quadrant? (I'm still 2 pages back, if others have posted theirs... I'll see it)

[ERV]

I guess PZs right-- we ARE all libertarians!

http://www.politicalcompass.org/faceboo ... &soc=-4.05

He knows us better than we know ourselves.

*twilightzonemusic*

[Gumby]

And watching welch and Steersman bitch slap each other is always good for a laugh.

Yes. A shop needs to be done to commemorate those two and their slap fights.

[Gumby]

Hi. I don't have the time necessary to do much beyond passively listening to videos on youtube or shooting quick tweets here and there, but I wanted to drop by to show you guys some of Damion's latest work.

Is it just me, or is this retard trying to suggest that Astrokid [which, to my knowledge, hasn't posted here in many, many months] and myself speak for the slymepit?

Yeah, I know. It's pointless bothering which such a slimy little cunt, but I thought you guys might at least find it entertaining. Peace and chicken grease! ;)

Damion's a juvenile fucking infant nursing a grudge. He couldn't be any more transparent if he were a sheet of freshly cleaned glass.

[BarnOwl]

And watching welch and Steersman bitch slap each other is always good for a laugh.

Yes. A shop needs to be done to commemorate those two and their slap fights.

Fish-slapping dance pleez!

[youtube]IhJQp-q1Y1s[/youtube]

[Kareem]

http://www.politicalcompass.org/faceboo ... &soc=-5.95
Before I started I thought I'd be farther left. There were one or two questions where I answered truthfully, but didn't like the answer I gave.

[Bourne Skeptic]

I don't know if there's ever been a study on this, but I would assume that "pretty" women are hit on more than average looking women, but maybe not. Who knows?

It depends on the time and place. In my experience, when I used to go clubbing, I'd go for the good looking lasses at the beginning of the night and at the end of the night I'd do the "2 o'clock bin-rake" and look for a desperate fatty who would definitely want to go home with me.

Yes, I've got too many alcohol fuelled memories of pumping Watson-level mingers at the end of a long hard night (I apologise to all the pearl-clutching maiden aunts on here for lowering the tone, but let's be honest, Watson is a tree-pig).

It wasn't that drinking huge amounts of alcohol made them any better looking, it was just that it made me less bothered about my mates ripping the piss out of me. That soon changed once I sobered up. There is an unwritten law of the universe that states that if you sneak off with a grunter there will always be one of your friends there to witness it.


(I think that should have pissed off the usual suspects. My work is done)

Fucking a fat/ugly girl is like riding a moped, it's fun until your friends find out!

[Lsuoma]

And watching welch and Steersman bitch slap each other is always good for a laugh.

Yes. A shop needs to be done to commemorate those two and their slap fights.

Nothing could EVER beat the Steerzo/Eucliwoo one...

(Can I get a http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7070/6874 ... 09b3ab.jpg?)

[yomomma]

Were you around for "Hugsgate" over at A+? Long story short ... Simpleflower ran into trouble over giving hugs. Roughly it was like this :

I'am sorry but if this is a forum where I am not deserving of hugs I am going to have to leave
...
Why are the mods sanctioning this abuse ?
...
Are you going to ban me? Because I give and recieve hugs?

[/qutoe]

No, I wasn't around for huggate, but I plan on starting my own.

(I'm still not really not sure what huggate was all about. Don't tell me that these people's first world problems are such a product of Idiocracy that they were being all butt hurt for being criticized for cyberhugging everyone. ??? If this is true, I no longer want to share the same oxygen as these people.)

[Zenspace]

note: the the skepchick quote and the biker in the courtroom-- are unrelated. Just a mindlessly provocative juxtaposition of 2 browser tabs I happened to have open. It doesn't make much sense, even to me.

If that's the biker who pulled in front of the Lien family SUV and stopped on the highway such that it would be almost impossible to avoid bumping him, yes, I think he did start it. I've been surrounded by 10-12 bikers while driving my truck alone on a somewhat deserted farm-to-market road, and if they'd put me in the same position, I think I would have run right over the top of them to get away as well. Fortunately, the bikers who surrounded me seemed to just be showing off (doing wheelies and other tricks ... for a middle-aged woman, though? :mrgreen: ), and none of them pulled in front of my truck or attempted to touch it in any way. They didn't seem to be threatening, but it was still a bit unnerving - F250s aren't known for maneuverability or for stopping on a dime, and if one of them had fallen while performing a stunt, I probably couldn't have avoided him.

I wonder if the local Land Rover dealership will add a few crotch rockets and biker dummies to their test-drive obstacle course? :twisted:

Yeah, he's the one who put his helmet thru the driver's window. His charges included unlawful imprisonment & he was facing 25 years-- but got off with 20 hours of community service: http://nypost.com/2013/10/06/cops-bust- ... ed-family/

I have a friend who fixes those idiots' bikes. He has done shit every bit as retarded as that attack. I never told him "either me or them", because his choice was clearly "them". But ever-since his livelihood became dependent on collecting from those deadbeats for repairs-- he has been under no illusion that they're a swell bunch of pals.

The 25 years/20 hours community service thing was the result of prior charges and not related to the current incident. That particular biker is apparently quite the low end career criminal. I suspect he won't be catching any breaks this time around.

This is turning into quite the case around here. There is a real concerted effort to identify the core group in the attack and the police seem to be getting a fair number of them, but not all yet. They identified the biker who recrded the video, local guy about twenty minutes from where I live, and confiscated all his video and computer equipment. The most interesting bit is that it turns out at least two off-duty cops were in the biker group, one immediately proximate to the attack, as in not only witnessed at least part of it while taking no action nor reporting it, but even helped in attacking the vehicle. Quite the mess.

[mikelf]

And watching welch and Steersman bitch slap each other is always good for a laugh.

Yes. A shop needs to be done to commemorate those two and their slap fights.

How about a video?

[youtube]C5P5eQiKNQs[/youtube]

[KenD]

Joan Smith 2013:

I am sick of this, and so are a lot of other people. Publishing pictures of women's breasts in newspapers encourages the idea that we're just a collection of body parts, which is why I support the campaign to get rid of Page 3. I don't think half the population should be crudely displayed for the edification of the other half – and to sell newspapers.

But that's not all, she also wants to get rid of internet porn:

The old argument which characterised porn as central to free speech has been challenged by a more sophisticated understanding of its mostly dire impact on equality. The kind of porn which shows submissive women and dominant men – and that's just about all of it on the internet – distorts human relationships. It normalises brutality and the notion that women exist solely to do what men want. That isn't tolerable if you want to live in a society that treats both sexes with respect.

"just about all" internet porn shows submissive women??? :doh:

Most feminist scaremongering about porn falls apart under scrutiny.

I've seen analysis of porn content indicating that production of more extreme/fetish porn peaked in the late 90s/early 00s (coinciding with gross-out comedies and shows like Jackass), back when most people were still watching it on DVD. That's certainly when most of the "freakshow" type releases (world's biggest gangbangs and so on) seem to have come out.

If anything, today, it's stuff like pseudo-amateur crap and porn parodies that've become more popular. Of course there's still BDSM and all kinds of fetish material on the internet, but that was no less of a niche in the market 20+ years ago. Needless to say, that doesn't fit the mainstream feminist slippery slope narrative, where porn inevitably gets worse and worse and must be banned for the sake of society.

Joan Smith may have had more liberal views in the past, but from what I can see she's a pretty typical mainstream feminist when it comes to sex related issues today. For example, she campaigns for the Swedish model of criminalised prostitution (seemingly on the basis of debunked statistics and one ride-along with Swedish police), and of course blocks sex workers on twitter when they challenge harass her with inconvenient facts.

The fact that Smith is an "ambassador" for Object makes her even more toxic than an average feminist activist to me. Object are one of Britain's most puritanical and authoritarian feminist groups, wanting all sexual images and every element of the sex industry (from strip-a-grams to sex shops) completely banned. They make most conservative Christians look like happy-go-lucky libertines.

I'm most familiar with Object from their anti-strip club activism. I've seen the unethical tactics used by Object, and I know people (including sex workers/dancers) who were involved in opposing their campaigns. That makes it more personal for me than the usual SJW feminist bullshit (so you'll have to excuse any excessive ranting).

Object are a group that encouraged members to lie about being harassed/assaulted outside strip clubs and sex shops, even providing form letters for feminists (not necessarily even living in the area) to send to local authorities. Those letters, along with bullshit statistics claiming that clubs/shops increased rape and violence, were used to attack and shame the women who worked in them, build a media moral panic in support of a "nil policy" (i.e. a complete ban), and justify labelling anyone who disagreed as "pro-rape". That led to many clubs/shops being closed down, with hundreds of people (mainly women) losing their jobs at a time of high unemployment, all in the name of "equality".

Joan Smith may have done some good things for the secularism, but it's hard for me to feel anything but contempt for anyone who'd support a group like Object.

[FrankGrimes]

Were you around for "Hugsgate" over at A+? Long story short ... Simpleflower ran into trouble over giving hugs. Roughly it was like this :

I'am sorry but if this is a forum where I am not deserving of hugs I am going to have to leave
...
Why are the mods sanctioning this abuse ?
...
Are you going to ban me? Because I give and recieve hugs?

[/qutoe]

No, I wasn't around for huggate, but I plan on starting my own.

(I'm still not really not sure what huggate was all about. Don't tell me that these people's first world problems are such a product of Idiocracy that they were being all butt hurt for being criticized for cyberhugging everyone. ??? If this is true, I no longer want to share the same oxygen as these people.)

The original A+ thread was disappeared post haste but if you think you're up for an insanity inducing amount of stupid from that side, I found this:

viewtopic.php?p=34996#p34996

I think that's where the commentary started here.

[Aneris]

I want to respect the mods opinions on this, but OTOH, I agree that theirs (and others) attempt to stifle what they consider to be inappropriate criticism is a way of moderating morality, which would be fine if they would just come out and admit that.

You're completely off the rails here. Why are you dragging the mods into this? No mod has tried to stifle this discussion. I know Aneris has disagreed with you on this but it was Aneris speaking as a commenter with an opinion, not as a moderator. When John and Aneris and I talk here, it's simply to offer our bullshit opinions like everyone else. Aneris may feel that dissing someones appearance isn't good for the image of the Pit, but that is in no way an attempt by a mod to police the morality of this place. The three of us know full well that free speech and anarchy are the rule here, so please don't confuse our opinions with intent to control what is said here.

Okay, I apologize for misinterpreting what Aneris' opinions with "moderating". Duly noted. Thank you for the clarification.

I didn't moderate at all, nor did I intend to moderate anything in that case (in fact there was something else some pages before where I was unsure and asked the other power crazed imbeciles). I am not named a mod, nor do I think that whatever the setting is named is compareable to moderators elsewhere. When there is some case to use superpowers, that will be (made) apparent. Everything else are just my mere views expressed just like everyone else does it.

I personally find it wrong to go after someones appearance, for a lot of reasons, its judgemental, bullying and so forth, and I'm against that. To me, these are qualities typical for the Commentariat, for often expressed reasons. People seen as Slymepitters don't have a reputation to lose, but we (who are being labelled in the first place) typically have to remove all sorts of obstacles — mostly fabricated — to get a point across and that can be tedious (there is no solution to it, other than delete nym and if not annoyed enough start anew hoping that the new one isn't smeared as well). And that was meant with “reputation”.