Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

[Angry_Drunk]

In other news the Atheism Plus Forum is nearly 1 year old and still going strong *snigger*.

Dude, that's so racist.

The correct term is "snegro"

"spersonofcolor"

[deLurch]

I wonder if his wife is pleased by the prospect of many more quiet weekends with him.

Less time with the lawnboy. She won't be happy.

[katamari Damassi]

The battle of pharynguloo. Where a short, fat, wannabe emperor who had gained his influence backstabbing the more competant was trounced on his home turf.

Damn, that was good.

Reads like a Game of Thrones subplot.

[Cold]

If we are going to name this whole........thing, I would suggest either "Rape-aggedon" or, for those knowledgable of American history, "Shermer's March to the Peez."

I personally favor "Myers' Last Stand".

[Jan Steen]

This is crying for an adaption to the Downfall video.

See, to me, it sounds more like this:

[youtube]OkookcrAnSE[/youtube]

That's what came to my mind too. The Jonestown Freethought Massacre. This is the downfall of a cult leader, bringing the cult down with him. Non entities like the Black Zvan, Lazy Canuck and the like will not be able to salvage his Movement. Good riddance.

[Ape+lust]

PZ just recruited a new FtBer, Alex Gabriel.

http://www.freethoughtblogs.com/godlessness

[Ericb]

This is crying for an adaption to the Downfall video.

See, to me, it sounds more like this:

[youtube]OkookcrAnSE[/youtube]

That's what came to my mind too. The Jonestown Freethought Massacre. This is the downfall of a cult leader, bringing the cult down with him. Non entities like the Black Zvan, Lazy Canuck and the like will not be able to salvage his Movement. Good riddance.

Now they'll break up into sects and start having holy wars with each other.

[Ericb]

PZ just recruited a new FtBer, Alex Gabriel.

http://www.freethoughtblogs.com/godlessness

I love the T & A adds. So feminist.

[deLurch]

Myers writes:

I worry that this is the end of a lot of good things

Some woman writes to Myers, saying that she desperately wants to remain anonymous. Myers thinks, "I know what I'll do. I'll post her email, accusing a famous person of being a serial rapist, on one of the most popular science blogs in the world. That'll do the trick!"
What genius.

Do you know what would have worked? Assuming their claims were true, message all six and ask how many people coming forward at the same time would it take for them to come forward. Have them all file police reports and do what should have been done from the start.

[Ä uest]

This is the way left wing movements end: not with a bang but a whimper.

And it is ugly. And it sends a shiver down the spine. And you think, "I hope not to see my side act like this too often, or they will cease to be my side." And it happens again and again. And you become tired of the denunciations and the rhetoric and the paranoia and eventually your side becomes their side and you walk away.

I agree 100% with what you wrote, though I'm not sure this is limited to left wing movements.

I think the Internet makes it worse, because it rewards for snark over substance and everyone thinks their snarky, repetitive, substance free comment is wisdom and pearls from CK Louis. Over time most Internet forums tend to be worthless pools of insiders and inside jokes all of which serves to alienate newcomers, disaffect the self-aware, bore those with lives, and police speech.

I've seen this time and again, starting at Eschaton, but also over at Kos, and certainly over at FTB.

I do think that while this trend just emerges out of culture at many forums, it's also a behavior actively cultivated by feminists (example: PZ's encouraging of mob behavior in the comments from his horde.)

I have seen it occur at conservative blogs, but I spend more of my time at liberal blogs. And it currently troubles FARK and has done so for several years now.

Too much Internet killed cheap snark for me.

[rpguest]

Oh dear!

PZ Myers:

Oh, I’m already getting tons of rape accusations and all kinds of stories told about me right now.

The thing is, and why I have zero concerns about them, is that none of them are plausible.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ent-670087

accusations? as in more than one?

obviously where theres smoke theres fire why would people make accusations if there were no truth to them we must believe the survivors stop mansplaining it away pz you rape-enabling victim-blamer

[Guest]

I think the fundamental error from the start was that people mistook atheism for a left wing movement. That's why all these social justice loons thought we were naturally their allies, and were so upset when they turned out to be wrong.

It's an easy mistake to make, mind. The Right, in America at least, is dominated by Christians, and so by default we seem to be on the Left, for in opposing Christians we often oppose the political Right. But that doesn't make us a movement of the Left, it just means we happen to have an enemy in common at the moment.

They thought atheism was a social justice movement, a liberation movement. We're not that either. Not really. They wanted to portray the atheists as an oppressed minority, and to frame the discussion in terms of Privilege. But this missed the truth. One of the FTB feminists, IIRC, finally understood this in her last blog post before fleeing the movement in tears; though I forget who. We're not an oppressed minority. We are disproportionately wealthy and middle class and very well educated - we are the people who are so comfortable that we do not need God. We are the elite. We are, in social justice terms, supremely privileged. It is the religious who are poorer than us, less educated and less informed than us, less privileged than us.

The atheist movement is about taking away from these people the one advantage they have - the special treatment given their beliefs. We rich educated and oh so white atheists want to do away with that one privilege that the religious still hold.

We were never a movement out to smash oppression and privilege. We were always a movement out for our own advantage, aiming at the one privilege that does not go our way. We were never a social justice movement at all; that was the fatal misunderstanding.

[LurkerPerson]

I think that has more to do with your own personal search history than anything else :D.

[rpguest]

Good ol' Proffe, may the spirits bless you and your loved ones. Such irrelevance... I mean, what kind of website is he visiting? I haven't seen a website with a Flash intro in, what, eight years or so? Since Apple said "fuck this shit" for Flash on iOS, nobody is using it as a integral part of their websites, anyway.

more than you think, even outside of ads. It just hangs on, like a turd tangled in arsehairs.

too many fucking restaurants dont fucking update their fucking websites or put in a fucking flashless option because for some fucking reason even though all you fucking want is their fucking hours or to look at a fucking menu they think you need to absorb their fucking clever ten second animation created in 2004

fucking

[rpguest]

the last six posts are really going to entertain the guest-hater

:dance:

[deLurch]

Oh dear!
PZ Myers:

Oh, I’m already getting tons of rape accusations and all kinds of stories told about me right now.
The thing is, and why I have zero concerns about them, is that none of them are plausible.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ent-670087

I have no sympathy. But I am also glad our crowd is not the type to stoop to such behavior.

[LurkerPerson]

You're speaking for all atheists now? The point was that there ARE atheists who are exactly what you describe, left-wing extremist social justice warriors. Just as there are also many libertarian randroids who are also atheists. Atheism is not a political description. Your generalization is just as retarded as anything the FTB mongoloids ever threw out there.

[Eskarina]

Myers writes:

I worry that this is the end of a lot of good things

Some woman writes to Myers, saying that she desperately wants to remain anonymous. Myers thinks, "I know what I'll do. I'll post her email, accusing a famous person of being a serial rapist, on one of the most popular science blogs in the world. That'll do the trick!"
What genius.

Do you know what would have worked? Assuming their claims were true, message all six and ask how many people coming forward at the same time would it take for them to come forward. Have them all file police reports and do what should have been done from the start.

There you go, being rational again. Where's the fun in that? Or the money?

[Jan Steen]

Alex Gabriel is a twentysomething British graduate. He writes from a theoretical perspective on religion and how to leave it, popular rhetoric and political dissent, secular, nerd and LGBT cultures, sexuality and gender or whatever else crosses his mind. His main pursuit is blending frameworks of secularity and social justice – more than just intersecting actions, he yearns for synthetic secular thought. When not putting sacred cows to slaughter or training with the PC brigade, he can usually be found somewhere online.

More SJ blather. Just what FTB needed. Nobody was doing that.

[rpguest]

PZ just recruited a new FtBer, Alex Gabriel.

http://www.freethoughtblogs.com/godlessness

I love the T & A adds. So feminist.

bet they all clicked just to confirm how righteously angry to feel

http://i.imgur.com/y7A3RYh.png

and remain too lazy to not advertise like shit

[LurkerPerson]

deLurch, how could you possibly know that? I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that many of the rape accusations against Myers right now are nothing more than tit-for-tat trolling. Sure, I see it as well deserved karma, but "our crowd" (what do you mean by this? Anyone who's not a SJW?) isn't any more immune to having stupid lying cunts with no scrupples than theirs.

[katamari Damassi]

What I spit everywhere:

absolut_vodka_bottle__34872.jpg

Just wanted to say thanks for staying away from the Russian rape juice.

Would you please knock it off with the "boycott Russian Vodka" shit?

It's already been pointed out that none of these vodka companies support the governmnet's position, and many of them are pro LGBT.

Or you coud just be being sarcastic, in which case, ROCK ON!!!

:hankey:

No sarcasm at all. I support the boycott of all things Russian until their anti gay laws are repealed. Putting some rainbow flags in an ad means fuck all. Start putting pressure and your government and then I'll buy your vodka.

[JustAtheist]

No sarcasm at all. I support the boycott of all things Russian until their anti gay laws are repealed. Putting some rainbow flags in an ad means fuck all. Start putting pressure and your government and then I'll buy your vodka.

Polish vodka is better anyway

[Guest]

Yeah, big vodka is gonna win against Putin's repressive cleptocracy. Keep dreaming and lashing out though. As long as it makes you feel better.

[mordacious1]

Myers writes:

[snip]

Do you know what would have worked? Assuming their claims were true, message all six and ask how many people coming forward at the same time would it take for them to come forward. Have them all file police reports and do what should have been done from the start.

I don't understand. How would your suggestion have increased blog hits?

[BillHamp]

Congratulations Little PeeZus: you are now ready to join A+Theism...

What?

[Al Stefanelli]

PZ just recruited a new FtBer, Alex Gabriel.

http://www.freethoughtblogs.com/godlessness

I love the T & A adds. So feminist.

bet they all clicked just to confirm how righteously angry to feel

http://i.imgur.com/y7A3RYh.png

and remain too lazy to not advertise like shit

So THAT'S what I'm missing with AdBlock?

[Early Cuyler]

Willful ignorance, I should say. Like creationists and libertarians.

:eabod:

:obscene-birdiedoublegreen:

[deLurch]

deLurch, how could you possibly know that? I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that many of the rape accusations against Myers right now are nothing more than tit-for-tat trolling. Sure, I see it as well deserved karma, but "our crowd" (what do you mean by this? Anyone who's not a SJW?) isn't any more immune to having stupid lying cunts with no scrupples than theirs.

You are correct. I cannot possibly know this. The crowd I am speaking of are the regulars who post on this forum. There is plenty of debate, but for the most part the majority here seem even keeled and don't seek to unfairly tarnish people with false accusations. The best you see here is clear hyperbolic satire.

I can't speak for the rest of the internet.

[LurkerPerson]

Yeah, the whole "boycott everything russian" thing is pretty dumb. Do you boycott everything plastic or anything that runs on petrol? Boycott electricity, so many plants run on russian gas and oil. No need to even bring up all the muslim theocracies, their views on gay rights and the way so many of them are propped up by oil sales.

[Tribble]

In Berlin (twinned with Morris, Minnesota), things are going from bad to worse...

[youtube]AxuWZudvR3c[/youtube]

...to be continued (since I have lots of free time now, and apparently unlimited material).

That is brilliant.

[16bitheretic]

more than just intersecting actions, he yearns for synthetic secular thought

"synthetic secular thought"

Whether they mean that to be several ideologies morphed together into a single entity of thought, or just fake and generic processed thought, I don't find either possibility to be very appealing.

[LurkerPerson]

deLurch, how could you possibly know that? I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that many of the rape accusations against Myers right now are nothing more than tit-for-tat trolling. Sure, I see it as well deserved karma, but "our crowd" (what do you mean by this? Anyone who's not a SJW?) isn't any more immune to having stupid lying cunts with no scrupples than theirs.

You are correct. I cannot possibly know this. The crowd I am speaking of are the regulars who post on this forum. There is plenty of debate, but for the most part the majority here seem even keeled and don't seek to unfairly tarnish people with false accusations. The best you see here is clear hyperbolic satire.

I can't speak for the rest of the internet.

Ah yeah, if by "our crowd" you mean just the slymepit, I'd like to think no regular here would be retarded enough to pull off something like that either.

[Git]

Alex Gabriel is a twentysomething British graduate. He writes from a theoretical perspective on religion and how to leave it, popular rhetoric and political dissent, secular, nerd and LGBT cultures, sexuality and gender or whatever else crosses his mind. His main pursuit is blending frameworks of secularity and social justice – more than just intersecting actions, he yearns for synthetic secular thought. When not putting sacred cows to slaughter or training with the PC brigade, he can usually be found somewhere online.

More SJ blather. Just what FTB needed. Nobody was doing that.

Oh, that guy. He used to blog at HeresyClub, and yes, predictably, he had a massive spiel recently about how it was incredibly racist and naughty of Dawkins or anyone else to criticise Islam.

[LurkerPerson]

If you really want to hit the russian government's pocket where it hurts, vodka isn't the way to go. Energy resources are. Good luck getting anyone in a position of power to call for a boycott of russian energy sources though. Truth is most of Europe is entirely dependent on them. Because of the worldwide web of energy sales everyone would be badly hit by a boycott, assuming it ever got off the ground in the first place.

[Tapir]

PZ just recruited a new FtBer, Alex Gabriel.

http://www.freethoughtblogs.com/godlessness

Hey, let's give him the benefit of the dou....

His main pursuit is blending frameworks of secularity and social justice – more than just intersecting actions, he yearns for synthetic secular thought.

Oh christ.

[Tribble]

Myers writes:

I worry that this is the end of a lot of good things

Some woman writes to Myers, saying that she desperately wants to remain anonymous. Myers thinks, "I know what I'll do. I'll post her email, accusing a famous person of being a serial rapist, on one of the most popular science blogs in the world. That'll do the trick!"

What genius.

I think it's the end of his good thing. But then I'm sure parasites think, to the extent they think, their parasitism of the host is a good thing, too.


OTOH, Maryam Namazie put up a call-for-action post yesterday: "CEMB needs your support " http://tinyurl.com/mclwp7h

Now, I never bothered to regisiter at FtB when I came back into the A/S community and, at this point, I wouldn't register with FtB under any circumstances. Not even to piss on Paul's grave. But I don't see any comments pouring out from the SJWs that frequent FtB.

Maybe I'm missing them. Are they hidden? Do you have to be registered to see them? Or is this the perfect illustration of their 'do-nothing-but-whine, shallow-drama-queen' bullshit?

[Biohazard]

Also there has been an interesting exchange between Carrie Poppy and Barbara Drescher (and others) in a thread under a comment (regarding his latest video) posted by Wendy Hughes on Mr. Deity's FB page (don't know of a way to link directly to it).

It looked like there has been some redacting, also it looks like Penn Jillette made a comment.

No comments by Poppy or Penn up now. One by Drescher, but it responds to another commenter.

I don't know why ya'll are not seeing this stuff, I can still see it. I'll look into copy/pasting it later (assuming it doesn't get sorted in the meantime), don't have time now (sorry).

As a tease here is Poppy's first comment in response to the link to the Mr. Deity vid is: "Yeah, great. Victim blaming. Great."

[Matt Cavanaugh]

We interrupt this somber swansong for a very important message:

Steersman is bothering me.

http://i.imgur.com/1Q7ILJM.png

The self-involved brat who just crapped all over Al is self-involved to the very end.

Whaah! Steersman asked me serious questions! I called him a name, but he keeps asking!!
:violin:

[Cunning Punt]

Funny you should mention that. I rarely drink, but all this crap has been making me think of a mellow, old-timey bourbon, the kind you can sip around a camp fire from a flask and imagine that the 20th century, much less the 21st, much less P.Z. Myers' mom, never happened.

But I have no idea what brand that would be.

I'm fond of Woodford Reserve.

Seconded. Knob Creek in a pinch.

So Southern Comfort's out then?

[The Tim Channel]

I don't want to incite panic among you, but the scientists at the PZ Myers School of Cosmetology, Feminology and Practical Zoology are now branching out into weapons development. Introducing the Smack-o-Matic SuperDeluxe 9000. http://bit.ly/15JB0vY "It's fucking game over, man" #atheismplus

Enjoy.

[JayTeeAitch]

PZ just recruited a new FtBer, Alex Gabriel.

http://www.freethoughtblogs.com/godlessness

Hey, let's give him the benefit of the dou....

His main pursuit is blending frameworks of secularity and social justice – more than just intersecting actions, he yearns for synthetic secular thought.

Oh christ.

The look on your avatar says it all!

[16bitheretic]

http://i.imgur.com/1Q7ILJM.png

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

translation: "OMG you guys, someone who challenges me showed up and I can't handle it! I don't know what to do in an open debate setting! Help me! Help meeeeeeeeee!!!!"

[Phoebe_Caulfield]

I don't know why ya'll are not seeing this stuff, I can still see it. I'll look into copy/pasting it later (assuming it doesn't get sorted in the meantime), don't have time now (sorry).

As a tease here is Poppy's first comment in response to the link to the Mr. Deity vid is: "Yeah, great. Victim blaming. Great."

That would be great, Greg.

[Matt Cavanaugh]

.47 Tony Queer Shoop:
Took a detour through Earth 4, huh?
Over there rape claims directly from the victim might be third party hearsay, but here in the world we live in, thats called evidence.

Hmm, let's see:
Person #1 claims they were raped
Person #2 tells Person #3 that #1 was raped
Person #3 writes that #2 told them #1 was raped.
Person #4 (me) hears what #3 says

Of course! Evidence.

[zenbabe]

I'm fond of Woodford Reserve.

Seconded. Knob Creek in a pinch.

So Southern Comfort's out then?

Yeesh! No! It's SWEET!
I was so shocked, considering how it's ordered in drinks (like a regular bourbon), the first time I tasted it to discover how syrupy it is. /shudder.

I like Woodford. I like this Knob Creek I have, for one you can sip, and also not feel bad about mixing:

http://www.ultimatewineshop.com/images/ ... 174887.jpg

[JustAtheist]

So Southern Comfort's out then?

Cough Syrup..

[Zenspace]

I don't know why ya'll are not seeing this stuff, I can still see it. I'll look into copy/pasting it later (assuming it doesn't get sorted in the meantime), don't have time now (sorry).

As a tease here is Poppy's first comment in response to the link to the Mr. Deity vid is: "Yeah, great. Victim blaming. Great."

Checked on a different computer and still don't see them. The post shows 29 comments here (13:18 EST). What do you see?

[Phoebe_Caulfield]

Rational Wiki's FB page is also surprisingly silent about this. Same people who believe that assisted birth is rape.

[Matt Cavanaugh]

Polish vodka is better anyway

Ever since The Night of Silesian Moonshine Vodka, I can't even smell vodka and not get sick*. But my GF and the other lushes I know swear by this stuff:

http://www.hangarone.com/


(*PTSD, in fact; but the more I dwell on it, the better I feel.)

[Cold]

I went through the Grenade thread again. I wanted to look at that awful thread from a positive point of view. I wanted to count and admire the number of people who cared enough to say thanks to JD, PZ and the Horde.

The numbers:

Posts with clear, unambiguous statements of support for Jane Doe and/or PZ for writing the OP:
154
I should have separated them, but it was really rare for one to be mentioned without the other.

Posts with clear, unambiguous statements of support for the Horde and/or Caine:
110
Again, I should have separated the two, but again it was rare that Caine would be mentioned without a nod to the rest of the Horde.

You are not alone Jane Doe, nor are you PZ.

The number of people came forward with stories of rape and abuse in their lives:
43

That number is the most significant. It shows that the crack in dam is spreading, and that you’ve created a space where people feel safe enough to tell of their awful experiences. It shows that we will not take the fucking Catholic Church’s lead on how to handle the issue of sexual misconduct within this movement.

We will not be silenced.

We will not be stopped.

Fear our voices, fear our anger you misogynist fucks. Your days of easy privilege are over.

NEVER FORGIVE

NEVER FORGET

WE ARE LE HORDE xD xD xD

EXPECT US!!!11!@@#

Also how autistic do you have to be to go through the enormous shitpile that is The Grenade Thread and manually count posts? These people truly do live in their own little world.

[John Greg]

Matty C said (http://www.slymepit.com/phpbb/viewtopic ... 41#p118841):

Neither Elvis, nor Stevie Ray, nor the Wilsons recorded other people's songs but gave themselves credit for writing those songs.

Well, that's sort of not quite true. Beginning a year or two into his extraordinary fame, Elvis was given 50:50 co-writer publishing credit on all the songs he recorded, even though he had quite literaly absolutely nothing to do with the writing of the songs -- such credit contributed enormously to his eventual massive wealth. Giving Elvis the co-writer credit was the only way song writers could get him to record their work.

[LurkerPerson]

I think that has to do with the way smell and memory are linked. I'm the same way with tequila, after a particularly bad night of drinking and a hangover that lasted at least three days.

[JayTeeAitch]

Jesus, they're all giving clenched tentacle salutes on that PZ post. I've only just managed to clean my keyboard of puke after.someone.did.this.

I don't know whether to laugh or puke again. :puke-huge:

[Mykeru]

"Rape accusations" and "not plausible" in the same sentence? Gasp, I am shocked, shocked I say.

"Misses the point", if you know what I mean. And I think you do.

[John Greg]

Skep tickle said (http://www.slymepit.com/phpbb/viewtopic ... 51#p118851):

Dalton completely called it at the end of his commentary (as transcribed at Benson's site):

Of course, if you’re completely divorced from the skeptic community, I don’t expect you to understand these basic principles — but the rest of us should know better!

That was my favourite part of that clip. So perfectly on point; wonderful sideswipe.

[Early Cuyler]

In other news the Atheism Plus Forum is nearly 1 year old and still going strong *snigger*.

I went over there a few days ago.

Activity has tapered off to the point that only 2-3 people are online at any one time and any one forum only has 1 or 2 topics that have been active that day.

In other words they have a few months left before it's a ghost town.

[Mykeru]

And she's on the case:

[LurkerPerson]

Someone said that the latest drama had doubled the ammount of hits on the website. I'd be willing to bet that the vast majority of the new visitors weren't of the "Streisand Effect" variety, but quite the opposite, people who wanted to see what the hubub was about, and witnessed the insanity firsthand.
I did not read any of the "grenade" thread, mostly relied on reports of it from here, but weren't there like, thousands of posts? According to one of them at least only ~300 of those posts were "positive" from an Apluser perspective.

[Cunning Punt]

Good ol' Proffe, may the spirits bless you and your loved ones. Such irrelevance... I mean, what kind of website is he visiting? I haven't seen a website with a Flash intro in, what, eight years or so? Since Apple said "fuck this shit" for Flash on iOS, nobody is using it as a integral part of their websites, anyway.

more than you think, even outside of ads. It just hangs on, like a turd tangled in arsehairs.

You need one of these:

http://enjoytherandom.com/wp-content/up ... qxklmd.jpg