Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

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Dick Strawkins wrote:
Trophy wrote:
It demands dramatic reading! Here's a textual dramatic reading:

*PZ sighs* I can’t explain how things are going except to say *He briefly pauses* it’s complicated. Do try to keep up with others — I ... I can’t. *He turns and looks out through a nearby window* I worry that ... that this is the end of a lot of good things, or rather, things that had to be the potential to be good, and that without many changes, we’re going to lose too many great people, and that conditions have become intolerable *He takes a breath after delivering that mouthful*. Let me tell you *PZ turns back to face you* that when I pressed “publish” *He makes a dramatic hand gesture, pressing an invisible button* on a certain post the other day, I knew that no matter how it turns out, the one thing I could be certain of is that I would be persona non grata in a large segment of the movement *he clenches his hand in a tight fist*, and that and that ... *PZ gets teary. Hiccups once, and then wipes the corner of his eye* ... and that I’d be spending many more quiet weekends at home in Morris in the future *PZ now whispers, trying to comfort himself* which is OK, this is a nice place, and my day job is ramping up the responsibilities, and I’ll always have the blog ... yes, I'll always have the blog *turns back towards the windows and stares at a random point in the distance*
Perfect!

We need Rocko or CriticalG to do this!
:D

This is crying for an adaption to the Downfall video.

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2013
This is not an update

PZ replies.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... an-update/

Atheism, Personal

by PZ Myers

I can’t explain how things are going except to say…it’s complicated. Do try to keep up with others — I can’t. I worry that this is the end of a lot of good things, or rather, things that had to be the potential to be good, and that without many changes, we’re going to lose too many great people, and that conditions have become intolerable. Let me tell you that when I pressed “publish” on a certain post the other day, I knew that no matter how it turns out, the one thing I could be certain of is that I would be persona non grata in a large segment of the movement, and that I’d be spending many more quiet weekends at home in Morris in the future (which is OK, this is a nice place, and my day job is ramping up the responsibilities, and I’ll always have the blog).

But even if I’m squeezed out, it’s time to pick a side and build a better secular movement. You can’t do it by simply accepting what is and looking the other way. The standard you walk past is the standard you accept. It’s especially important that you don’t walk past the standard set by the powerful men in the movement.
The opening score of PZ the Movie as he imagines it:

[youtube]BNWpZ-Y_KvU[/youtube]


How I see it:

[youtube]MK6TXMsvgQg[/youtube]

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Post by Barael »

Ericb wrote:
Dick Strawkins wrote:
Trophy wrote:
It demands dramatic reading! Here's a textual dramatic reading:

*PZ sighs* I can’t explain how things are going except to say *He briefly pauses* it’s complicated. Do try to keep up with others — I ... I can’t. *He turns and looks out through a nearby window* I worry that ... that this is the end of a lot of good things, or rather, things that had to be the potential to be good, and that without many changes, we’re going to lose too many great people, and that conditions have become intolerable *He takes a breath after delivering that mouthful*. Let me tell you *PZ turns back to face you* that when I pressed “publish” *He makes a dramatic hand gesture, pressing an invisible button* on a certain post the other day, I knew that no matter how it turns out, the one thing I could be certain of is that I would be persona non grata in a large segment of the movement *he clenches his hand in a tight fist*, and that and that ... *PZ gets teary. Hiccups once, and then wipes the corner of his eye* ... and that I’d be spending many more quiet weekends at home in Morris in the future *PZ now whispers, trying to comfort himself* which is OK, this is a nice place, and my day job is ramping up the responsibilities, and I’ll always have the blog ... yes, I'll always have the blog *turns back towards the windows and stares at a random point in the distance*
Perfect!

We need Rocko or CriticalG to do this!
:D

This is crying for an adaption to the Downfall video.
I just frothed at the thought.

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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

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PZ Myers wrote:I worry that this is the end of a lot of good things, or rather, things that had to be the potential to be good, and that without many changes, we’re going to lose too many great people, and that conditions have become intolerable.
Is that about an FtB exodus?
PZ Myers wrote:But even if I’m squeezed out, it’s time to pick a side and build a better secular movement. You can’t do it by simply accepting what is and looking the other way. The standard you walk past is the standard you accept. It’s especially important that you don’t walk past the standard set by the powerful men in the movement.
Cult rhetoric without substance. Guess which powerful man will set the standards in that "better" secular movement.

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Tony Parsehole wrote: "Gee whiz, you trolls are weak-ass-sauce up in this place. I don't give two tiny monkey farts on a spring day what you think of me dropping links like a Dresden carpet bomber. I was an internet pilgrim when you were a splat of jizz-juice in your old Daddy-O's cock's-eye. I'll keep it real in circle-ville and you squares can keep on meeting at right angles.

Enjoy"
That was great.

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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

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Post by Tribble »

Tony Parsehole wrote:
Ape+lust wrote:Schadenfranc
Franc must be laughing his arse off right now.
I was wondering so I went over to his blog and he put up a post yesterday. He is enjoying himself. A lot.

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Tony Parsehole wrote: Hand on heart, from his first two posts I thought of this guy:
My attitude toward internet clowns like him has always been "there's nothing worse than a completely dull and unfunny bore who thinks he's marvelously clever and hysterically funny".

Timmay reminds me of the Cheers episode where Cliff Clavin tries his hand at stand-up comedy, but the only person who thinks he's funny is the equally humorless Lilith.

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Guest wrote:Guess which powerful man will set the standards in that "better" secular movement.
...is it Richard Carrier?

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PZ gets served...
a1Y73sPHKxw

And my sincere apologies to rodents everywhere...

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Gumby wrote:
Tony Parsehole wrote: Hand on heart, from his first two posts I thought of this guy:
My attitude toward internet clowns like him has always been "there's nothing worse than a completely dull and unfunny bore who thinks he's marvelously clever and hysterically funny".

Timmay reminds me of the Cheers episode where Cliff Clavin tries his hand at stand-up comedy, but the only person who thinks he's funny is the equally humorless Lilith.
[youtube]tDOH18D3l9o[/youtube]

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Tribble wrote:PZ gets served...

[youtube]a1Y73sPHKxw[/youtube]


And my sincere apologies to rodents everywhere...
That was a dumbass move. Used 'quote' instead of 'youtube.'

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The battle of pharynguloo. Where a short, fat, wannabe emperor who had gained his influence backstabbing the more competant was trounced on his home turf.

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stupid_20something wrote:The battle of pharynguloo. Where a short, fat, wannabe emperor who had gained his influence backstabbing the more competant was trounced on his home turf.
Damn, that was good.

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Dunno if this was mentioned here, but reading franc's blog apparently the "morewillbenamed" tumbler page that was taken down has been taken over by a troll. I thought it was pretty funny.

I can't link to it...because I'm a well known spammer? Wtf, I don't even use tumblr.

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Lsuoma wrote: [.youtube]tDOH18D3l9o[/youtube]
"It's a privilege to take comedy notes from a man of your stature."

Gold.

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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

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Tribble wrote:It's the 'enjoy,' isn't it? Drives me crazy too...
It reminds me of my many conversations with Buddhists. They commonly sign off with something like "Metta", which means "with loving kindness", and commonly goes something like this . . .

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Fucking scum!  What you're saying is so wrong I'm not going to even tell you where you're wrong.
So fuck off.  Fucking scum!  You are banned!
                                                                    Metta
I notice many parallels with the wonderfully caring "social justice" of FTB.

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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

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Post by BillHamp »

I know PZ's post has been posted and reposted multiple times, but I have a few thoughts of my own to share, so I'll post it again.
This is not an update by PZ Myers

I can’t explain how things are going except to say…it’s complicated.
Translation: I'm in deep shit and there is no way out. I'm trying in vain to bargain with Shermer, but given he has the upper hand, things aren't going well.
Do try to keep up with others — I can’t. I worry that this is the end of a lot of good things, or rather, things that had to be the potential to be good, and that without many changes, we’re going to lose too many great people, and that conditions have become intolerable.
Translation: Our attempts at brainwashing the mass atheist community into beleiving every male (other than PZ of course) is a rapist have failed. Our numbers are too small, our efforts too weak, and our laziness too great to accomplish anything on our own, so this is probably then end of our dreams.
Let me tell you that when I pressed “publish” on a certain post the other day, I knew that no matter how it turns out, the one thing I could be certain of is that I would be persona non grata in a large segment of the movement, and that I’d be spending many more quiet weekends at home in Morris in the future (which is OK, this is a nice place, and my day job is ramping up the responsibilities...
Translation: When I accused Shermer of being a serial rapist without any evidence, I figured it would finally be the force needed to convince every atheist that they live in a rape culture. It turns out that they value skepticism more than unsubstantiated rumor from people who have previously demonstrated tendencies toward hyperbole and hysteria. I'll be staying in Morris more because Shermer has likely negotiated that I not attend certain atheist events in return for not suing my ass off. My job isn't actually ramping up, but it is a convenient excuse. I really hope the Dean at Morris lets me keep it, but I'm a high risk person and if I pull this shit at Morris, he won't be able to claim ignorance of my personality disorder, in which case the university will be on the hook for damages as well. I really can't be trusted.
... and I’ll always have the blog).But even if I’m squeezed out, it’s time to pick a side and build a better secular movement.
Translation: I'll likely be forced out of the blog too. I'm just too fucking unstable to be trusted. I'm really hoping one of you out there has a great idea that I can attach myself to so that I can claim that I did it all for the right reasons and something better has come of it. Please....anybody?
You can’t do it by simply accepting what is and looking the other way. The standard you walk past is the standard you accept. It’s especially important that you don’t walk past the standard set by the powerful men in the movement.
Translation: I'm taking one last swipe at Shermer and all the mean men who helped bring this community together by actually doing something (e.g. publishing a top-selling magazine, writing best-selling books, performing top-notch research widely respected throughout the scientific community). People like Shermer, Dawkins, Krauss and others are way beyond my league. I wanted their positions so bad, but it has backfired in my face. Now I'll play the martyr and pretend that they used their power to cover up what I exposed rather than admit that I interpret everything in a light that benefits my motives, even if that means accusing someone of felony rape without a shred of evidence.


We may never know what the terms of the "negotiation" are, but I imagine it has PZ getting his ass handed to him on every front. He'll be lucky to keep his job given that he may, in the future, expose the university to lawsuits. Does anyone know if he has tenure?

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Tony Parsehole wrote:This is the end isn't it? This is the end of Pharyngula and PZ Myers.

I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
Or have a wank.
Why choose? Do all three. Also, pics.

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PZ: "my job responsibilities are ramping up".

Interpretation: I'm going to have to show up twice a week, instead of once."

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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

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BillHamp wrote:I know PZ's post has been posted and reposted multiple times, but I have a few thoughts of my own to share, so I'll post it again.
This is not an update by PZ Myers

I can’t explain how things are going except to say…it’s complicated.
Translation: I'm in deep shit and there is no way out. I'm trying in vain to bargain with Shermer, but given he has the upper hand, things aren't going well.
Do try to keep up with others — I can’t. I worry that this is the end of a lot of good things, or rather, things that had to be the potential to be good, and that without many changes, we’re going to lose too many great people, and that conditions have become intolerable.
Translation: Our attempts at brainwashing the mass atheist community into beleiving every male (other than PZ of course) is a rapist have failed. Our numbers are too small, our efforts too weak, and our laziness too great to accomplish anything on our own, so this is probably then end of our dreams.
Let me tell you that when I pressed “publish” on a certain post the other day, I knew that no matter how it turns out, the one thing I could be certain of is that I would be persona non grata in a large segment of the movement, and that I’d be spending many more quiet weekends at home in Morris in the future (which is OK, this is a nice place, and my day job is ramping up the responsibilities...
Translation: When I accused Shermer of being a serial rapist without any evidence, I figured it would finally be the force needed to convince every atheist that they live in a rape culture. It turns out that they value skepticism more than unsubstantiated rumor from people who have previously demonstrated tendencies toward hyperbole and hysteria. I'll be staying in Morris more because Shermer has likely negotiated that I not attend certain atheist events in return for not suing my ass off. My job isn't actually ramping up, but it is a convenient excuse. I really hope the Dean at Morris lets me keep it, but I'm a high risk person and if I pull this shit at Morris, he won't be able to claim ignorance of my personality disorder, in which case the university will be on the hook for damages as well. I really can't be trusted.
... and I’ll always have the blog).But even if I’m squeezed out, it’s time to pick a side and build a better secular movement.
Translation: I'll likely be forced out of the blog too. I'm just too fucking unstable to be trusted. I'm really hoping one of you out there has a great idea that I can attach myself to so that I can claim that I did it all for the right reasons and something better has come of it. Please....anybody?
You can’t do it by simply accepting what is and looking the other way. The standard you walk past is the standard you accept. It’s especially important that you don’t walk past the standard set by the powerful men in the movement.
Translation: I'm taking one last swipe at Shermer and all the mean men who helped bring this community together by actually doing something (e.g. publishing a top-selling magazine, writing best-selling books, performing top-notch research widely respected throughout the scientific community). People like Shermer, Dawkins, Krauss and others are way beyond my league. I wanted their positions so bad, but it has backfired in my face. Now I'll play the martyr and pretend that they used their power to cover up what I exposed rather than admit that I interpret everything in a light that benefits my motives, even if that means accusing someone of felony rape without a shred of evidence.


We may never know what the terms of the "negotiation" are, but I imagine it has PZ getting his ass handed to him on every front. He'll be lucky to keep his job given that he may, in the future, expose the university to lawsuits. Does anyone know if he has tenure?
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From franc's blog, he gives shape to vague impressions I've had about the general FTB commentariat:
Lets face it – the general readership that propel Myers and Watson forward are losers. The absolute worst our species has to offer – completely dysfunctional broken units, addicted to therapists and painkillers and absolutely incapable of interacting meaningfully with the world outside their sheltered workshops, with no useful skills other than wallowing in their own self-pity, absolutely incapable of differentiating, unassisted, common good nature from malignant evil – any external action, regardless of intent invoking an animal-recoiling-from-fire type fear. Don’t believe me? Go read the FfTB and Skepchick forums, or better yet, if you have the stomach, those of Atheism+. Try this if you’re brave -

Effects of not having privilege(Trigger Warning: Oppression) [not giving the link, sorry]

And then on top of this, we take these hollowed out shells of quasi-humanoids and we invite them to large conventions, drafting harassment policies and cleaving away safe spaces for them to tentatively mingle with actual fully autonomous, personally responsible, mature adult human beings. And then… we feed them copious quantities of alcohol…

Seriously, what imbecile ever considered this to be a good idea?

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Post by Al Stefanelli »

Am I the only one who would love to hear CriticalG do a dramatic reading of PZ's "It's Complicated" post?

With that said:

[youtube]rUQT4hykPd0[/youtube]

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Post by Gefan »

In Berlin (twinned with Morris, Minnesota), things are going from bad to worse...

[youtube]AxuWZudvR3c[/youtube]

...to be continued (since I have lots of free time now, and apparently unlimited material).

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LurkerPerson wrote:Dunno if this was mentioned here, but reading franc's blog apparently the "morewillbenamed" tumbler page that was taken down has been taken over by a troll. I thought it was pretty funny.

I can't link to it...because I'm a well known spammer? Wtf, I don't even use tumblr.
Yes it was ... reinvented

Its not you its the slymepit is blocked by tumbler

morewillbenamed.tumblr.com

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Post by Submariner »

Alcohol, rape, agency, it's all there: viewtopic.php?p=119064#p119064

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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

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Tribble wrote:
2013
This is not an update

PZ replies.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... an-update/

Atheism, Personal

by PZ Myers

I can’t explain how things are going except to say…it’s complicated. Do try to keep up with others — I can’t. I worry that this is the end of a lot of good things, or rather, things that had to be the potential to be good, and that without many changes, we’re going to lose too many great people, and that conditions have become intolerable. Let me tell you that when I pressed “publish” on a certain post the other day, I knew that no matter how it turns out, the one thing I could be certain of is that I would be persona non grata in a large segment of the movement, and that I’d be spending many more quiet weekends at home in Morris in the future (which is OK, this is a nice place, and my day job is ramping up the responsibilities, and I’ll always have the blog).

But even if I’m squeezed out, it’s time to pick a side and build a better secular movement. You can’t do it by simply accepting what is and looking the other way. The standard you walk past is the standard you accept. It’s especially important that you don’t walk past the standard set by the powerful men in the movement.
[youtube]rAlTOfl9F2w[/youtube]

I wonder if his wife is pleased by the prospect of many more quiet weekends with him.

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[youtube]ZEOGJJ7UKFM[/youtube]

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Gefan wrote:In Berlin (twinned with Morris, Minnesota), things are going from bad to worse...

[ youtube ] AxuWZudvR3c [ /youtube ]

...to be continued (since I have lots of free time now, and apparently unlimited material).
Oh, stellar.

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Post by Tony Parsehole »

In other news the Atheism Plus Forum is nearly 1 year old and still going strong *snigger*.

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Post by JustAtheist »

Gefan wrote:In Berlin (twinned with Morris, Minnesota), things are going from bad to worse...

[youtube]AxuWZudvR3c[/youtube]

...to be continued (since I have lots of free time now, and apparently unlimited material).
Fucking Bravo...

The end was comedy gold

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Post by LurkerPerson »

Gefan wrote:In Berlin (twinned with Morris, Minnesota), things are going from bad to worse...

[youtube vid]

...to be continued (since I have lots of free time now, and apparently unlimited material).
I gotta say, I'm enjoying these downfall parodies, if only because it isn't the same recycled scene that is commonly used. Also I have it on good authority that they aren't very funny to anyone who actually understands german. Check your non-germanolinguistic priviledge.

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Post by welch »

The Tim Channel wrote:
Jan Steen wrote:
The Tim Channel wrote: I swing back and forth between terrorist analogies (American Girlyban) and Scientology/Mormon comparative associations. They both work and it helps keep the dreaded redundancy to a minimum. Enjoy.
Did you use to work at MacDonalds?
No, but even with that handicap, I know how to properly spell the place. It's been my observation that when underage foreign workers are engaged in paid anti-tim trolling, they often try to invoke American icons into their banter but are often betrayed by the most obvious blunders. Tell that to the rest of the crew surrounding you in your crowded India internet cafe, Janeesh.

Enjoy.
Oh bless your heart

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Post by Tony Parsehole »

Gefan wrote:In Berlin (twinned with Morris, Minnesota), things are going from bad to worse...

[youtube]AxuWZudvR3c[/youtube]

...to be continued (since I have lots of free time now, and apparently unlimited material).
You absolute legend.

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Liesmith wrote:I also said that the second accusation was a non-issue: Shermer refilled someone's drink, and she kept drinking, and then she left...he didn't actually do anything wrong, and if she didn't want to get drunk, she should've stopped drinking.

Well, it turns out that I was victim blaming, and I shouldn't do that.
Look, this victim did not get fucked by this celebrity she cherished. Have you no sympathy!

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Post by Tony Parsehole »

welch wrote:
The Tim Channel wrote: No, but even with that handicap, I know how to properly spell the place. It's been my observation that when underage foreign workers are engaged in paid anti-tim trolling, they often try to invoke American icons into their banter but are often betrayed by the most obvious blunders. Tell that to the rest of the crew surrounding you in your crowded India internet cafe, Janeesh.

Enjoy.
Oh bless your heart
Do you know what sent a cold shiver down my spine when I read that? The realisation the he believes every word of it.

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Post by Kevin Solway »

Myers writes:
I worry that this is the end of a lot of good things
Some woman writes to Myers, saying that she desperately wants to remain anonymous. Myers thinks, "I know what I'll do. I'll post her email, accusing a famous person of being a serial rapist, on one of the most popular science blogs in the world. That'll do the trick!"

What genius.

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Cmon, I thought that one was pretty funny. And I have no doubt it was sarcastic. He's getting the same response that Vacula got whenever he link-whored too much, he's just a lot more defensive about it. At least he's defensive about it in a funny way.

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Gefan wrote:In Berlin (twinned with Morris, Minnesota), things are going from bad to worse...

[youtube]AxuWZudvR3c[/youtube]

...to be continued (since I have lots of free time now, and apparently unlimited material).
Awesome!

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LurkerPerson wrote:From franc's blog, he gives shape to vague impressions I've had about the general FTB commentariat:
Lets face it – the general readership that propel Myers and Watson forward are losers. The absolute worst our species has to offer – completely dysfunctional broken units, addicted to therapists and painkillers and absolutely incapable of interacting meaningfully with the world outside their sheltered workshops, with no useful skills other than wallowing in their own self-pity, absolutely incapable of differentiating, unassisted, common good nature from malignant evil – any external action, regardless of intent invoking an animal-recoiling-from-fire type fear. Don’t believe me? Go read the FfTB and Skepchick forums, or better yet, if you have the stomach, those of Atheism+. Try this if you’re brave -

Effects of not having privilege(Trigger Warning: Oppression) [not giving the link, sorry]

And then on top of this, we take these hollowed out shells of quasi-humanoids and we invite them to large conventions, drafting harassment policies and cleaving away safe spaces for them to tentatively mingle with actual fully autonomous, personally responsible, mature adult human beings. And then… we feed them copious quantities of alcohol…

Seriously, what imbecile ever considered this to be a good idea?
An acquaintance of mine actually told me that she was afraid to post at Pharyngula because the commentariat were so...highly intelligent. And that if you want to post there, you must bring your A game.

She wrote: " For me, they are like the big leagues, thus I am thrice checking not only my grammar, but also the reasoning behind the arguments I put forth because I know that minds greater than mine will analyze not only what I am saying, but how I'm saying it. All of it reflects back on me and since they only know my words, I work to ensure that they are the most appropriate for the situation. I find it stressful and thus tend not to post at FTB unless I think I can add something important to the discourse."

The poor thing, so deluded:(

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Post by Garlic »

Dick Strawkins wrote:
JackRayner wrote:Do we have a name for this whole thing yet? Is it GrenadeGate or what?
I vote for 'Libelgate'
I vote for "the Passion of Peezus Christ".

"For PZ so loved the anonymous victims, that he gave his only begotten Blog (plus an undisclosed but consequential sum), that whosoever believeth in him should not be raped, but gain the everlasting safe space."

Seriously, the parallel is just too obvious.

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Oh dear!

PZ Myers:
Oh, I’m already getting tons of rape accusations and all kinds of stories told about me right now.

The thing is, and why I have zero concerns about them, is that none of them are plausible.
http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ent-670087

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Post by Southern »

Ape+lust wrote:Today I love Comradde PhysioProffe. I mean, he's the original radder-than-radfem who made Laden/Zvan spit blood and made Thibeault cry. Yet, in the midst of the social justice shitstorm of the century, with FtB crumbling down around his ears, he just keeps on chugging on with his hooty-poot banalities.
Comradde PhysioProffe wrote:Nostril Situation

I hate when you get like an itchy dealio inside your nostril, so you keep scratching it, and then it gets more irritated, so you scratch it more, and then it gets abraded and scabs up a little, and then the scab drives you even crazier, so you scratch it even more, which scrapes off the scab and makes it even more abraded and then scabbier and AUGGHH.

Web Designers Who Should Be Hit By Giant Asteroids

The motherfuckers who make me sit through a goddamn motherfucken Flash animation before I can navigate the goddamn motherfucken piece of shitte Web site.

EDIT: Title updated to remove reference to dying in a fire.
Good ol' Proffe, may the spirits bless you and your loved ones. Such irrelevance... I mean, what kind of website is he visiting? I haven't seen a website with a Flash intro in, what, eight years or so? Since Apple said "fuck this shit" for Flash on iOS, nobody is using it as a integral part of their websites, anyway.

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"Rape accusations" and "not plausible" in the same sentence? Gasp, I am shocked, shocked I say.

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Southern wrote:
Good ol' Proffe, may the spirits bless you and your loved ones. Such irrelevance... I mean, what kind of website is he visiting? I haven't seen a website with a Flash intro in, what, eight years or so? Since Apple said "fuck this shit" for Flash on iOS, nobody is using it as a integral part of their websites, anyway.
Fashion sites, probably. If he is a snobby east coaster as BarnOwl has suggested, he is probably visiting all of the 'let us impress you with our fancy flash intros' online stores:P

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TedDahlberg wrote:
2013
This is not an update

PZ replies.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... an-update/

Atheism, Personal

by PZ Myers

I can’t explain how things are going except to say…it’s complicated. Do try to keep up with others — I can’t. I worry that this is the end of a lot of good things, or rather, things that had to be the potential to be good, and that without many changes, we’re going to lose too many great people, and that conditions have become intolerable. Let me tell you that when I pressed “publish” on a certain post the other day, I knew that no matter how it turns out, the one thing I could be certain of is that I would be persona non grata in a large segment of the movement, and that I’d be spending many more quiet weekends at home in Morris in the future (which is OK, this is a nice place, and my day job is ramping up the responsibilities, and I’ll always have the blog).

But even if I’m squeezed out, it’s time to pick a side and build a better secular movement. You can’t do it by simply accepting what is and looking the other way. The standard you walk past is the standard you accept. It’s especially important that you don’t walk past the standard set by the powerful men in the movement.
[youtube]hsCdlX-5UjE[/youtube]
I don't know when it happened but I seem to have transformed into a vampire like creature that feeds on scadenfreude. And I don't mind it .

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I think it's just another way of lashing out at Shermer. Look, he obviously cared about the accusations, unlike me! This means they were plausible. Nevermind that I went to court for a previous false rape allegation! I guess that one must've plausible.

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Post by Ericb »

LurkerPerson wrote:"Rape accusations" and "not plausible" in the same sentence? Gasp, I am shocked, shocked I say.

PZ, Stop the mansplaining! Listen to the Survivors!

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Ericb wrote:
Dick Strawkins wrote:
Trophy wrote:
It demands dramatic reading! Here's a textual dramatic reading:

*PZ sighs* I can’t explain how things are going except to say *He briefly pauses* it’s complicated. Do try to keep up with others — I ... I can’t. *He turns and looks out through a nearby window* I worry that ... that this is the end of a lot of good things, or rather, things that had to be the potential to be good, and that without many changes, we’re going to lose too many great people, and that conditions have become intolerable *He takes a breath after delivering that mouthful*. Let me tell you *PZ turns back to face you* that when I pressed “publish” *He makes a dramatic hand gesture, pressing an invisible button* on a certain post the other day, I knew that no matter how it turns out, the one thing I could be certain of is that I would be persona non grata in a large segment of the movement *he clenches his hand in a tight fist*, and that and that ... *PZ gets teary. Hiccups once, and then wipes the corner of his eye* ... and that I’d be spending many more quiet weekends at home in Morris in the future *PZ now whispers, trying to comfort himself* which is OK, this is a nice place, and my day job is ramping up the responsibilities, and I’ll always have the blog ... yes, I'll always have the blog *turns back towards the windows and stares at a random point in the distance*
Perfect!

We need Rocko or CriticalG to do this!
:D

This is crying for an adaption to the Downfall video.

See, to me, it sounds more like this:

[youtube]OkookcrAnSE[/youtube]

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Love how Physioproffe removed Die In A Fire because it might trigger someone whose parents died in a fire but is happy to throw "motherfucker" around like glitter. Isn't motherfucker a completely sexist and denigrating word? Of course, that brings us to a discussion about consent. If he fucks your mother, and she consents, then it's none of anyone's goddamn business. If she doesn't consent to him fucking her then that makes him a rapist.

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Tony Parsehole wrote:In other news the Atheism Plus Forum is nearly 1 year old and still going strong *snigger*.
Dude, that's so racist.

The correct term is "snegro"


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Tony Parsehole wrote:
welch wrote:
The Tim Channel wrote: No, but even with that handicap, I know how to properly spell the place. It's been my observation that when underage foreign workers are engaged in paid anti-tim trolling, they often try to invoke American icons into their banter but are often betrayed by the most obvious blunders. Tell that to the rest of the crew surrounding you in your crowded India internet cafe, Janeesh.

Enjoy.
Oh bless your heart
Do you know what sent a cold shiver down my spine when I read that? The realisation the he believes every word of it.
In IT, you get the anti-india lot showing up all over. It's rather common, and I can't completely dismiss it, because there are some nightmarishly bad support orgs in Mumbai and other places.

But, there are also some really good ones, like the HP folks I've been working with. Smart as fuck, know their shit, amazingly helpful.

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Post by Southern »

JayTeeAitch wrote:Oh dear!

PZ Myers:
Oh, I’m already getting tons of rape accusations and all kinds of stories told about me right now.

The thing is, and why I have zero concerns about them, is that none of them are plausible.
http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ent-670087
Not the point. Believe survivors.

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JayTeeAitch wrote:Oh dear!

PZ Myers:
Oh, I’m already getting tons of rape accusations and all kinds of stories told about me right now.

The thing is, and why I have zero concerns about them, is that none of them are plausible.
http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ent-670087
What happened to believe the victim?


(we already know the answer, 'tis rhetorical)

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LurkerPerson wrote:Cmon, I thought that one was pretty funny. And I have no doubt it was sarcastic. He's getting the same response that Vacula got whenever he link-whored too much, he's just a lot more defensive about it. At least he's defensive about it in a funny way.
Are you suggesting he has a blog? Who knew.

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This is the way left wing movements end: not with a bang but a whimper. Disillusion is endemic, for so little is achieved, at so much cost to the individuals involved, that disaffection becomes inevitable. What begins in the expectation that anything is possible is throttled by the creeping tendrils of despair that comes with wanting everything but getting nothing, for nothing was all you could have ever achieved. If you set yourself against an invisible enemy, how can you possibly know victory looks like? When will the time come to stop? What once seemed so easy to scale is now rising ground and the peak of Oppression's Alp is always in view, casting a shadow over everything.

Mission creep is inevitable. Movements which begin with large but often inchoate and internally contradictory ideas quickly dessicate into factions. With the factions come the denunciations and with the denunciations comes the rhetoric and with the rhetoric comes the inability to let small things go in order to concentrate on the big ones. Movements become exhausted and exhaustion brings a lack of judgement. Paranoia takes hold, as every unsolicited email of support and every Tweet of encouragement is regarded as the action of a potential agent provocateur. Eventually a thoughtless and stupid move will be made: a bollard will be thrown; a fire extinguisher from a tall building; a preacher pushed because the crowd are baying for blood; a book burnt because that book contains lies; an accusation made because the ends surely — surely because we are right and we must be right, otherwise what is this for? — justify the means.

And it is ugly. And it sends a shiver down the spine. And you think, "I hope not to see my side act like this too often, or they will cease to be my side." And it happens again and again. And you become tired of the denunciations and the rhetoric and the paranoia and eventually your side becomes their side and you walk away.

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Southern wrote:
Ape+lust wrote:Today I love Comradde PhysioProffe. I mean, he's the original radder-than-radfem who made Laden/Zvan spit blood and made Thibeault cry. Yet, in the midst of the social justice shitstorm of the century, with FtB crumbling down around his ears, he just keeps on chugging on with his hooty-poot banalities.
Comradde PhysioProffe wrote:Nostril Situation

I hate when you get like an itchy dealio inside your nostril, so you keep scratching it, and then it gets more irritated, so you scratch it more, and then it gets abraded and scabs up a little, and then the scab drives you even crazier, so you scratch it even more, which scrapes off the scab and makes it even more abraded and then scabbier and AUGGHH.

Web Designers Who Should Be Hit By Giant Asteroids

The motherfuckers who make me sit through a goddamn motherfucken Flash animation before I can navigate the goddamn motherfucken piece of shitte Web site.

EDIT: Title updated to remove reference to dying in a fire.
Good ol' Proffe, may the spirits bless you and your loved ones. Such irrelevance... I mean, what kind of website is he visiting? I haven't seen a website with a Flash intro in, what, eight years or so? Since Apple said "fuck this shit" for Flash on iOS, nobody is using it as a integral part of their websites, anyway.
more than you think, even outside of ads. It just hangs on, like a turd tangled in arsehairs.

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That's equally applicable to any right-wing political movement. Or tribalistic ideologies in general.

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JayTeeAitch wrote:Oh dear!

PZ Myers:
Oh, I’m already getting tons of rape accusations and all kinds of stories told about me right now.

The thing is, and why I have zero concerns about them, is that none of them are plausible.
http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ent-670087
.... ahahahahahahahahaha!!

Photoshops, Gefan vids. Oh pleasepleasepleaseplease

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Garlic wrote:
Dick Strawkins wrote:
JackRayner wrote:Do we have a name for this whole thing yet? Is it GrenadeGate or what?
I vote for 'Libelgate'
I vote for "the Passion of Peezus Christ".

"For PZ so loved the anonymous victims, that he gave his only begotten Blog (plus an undisclosed but consequential sum), that whosoever believeth in him should not be raped, but gain the everlasting safe space."

Seriously, the parallel is just too obvious.
#DickiLeaks Get on board.
Enjoy.

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