If thou gazest long into the Pit, the Pit will also gaze into thee

Tribble wrote:

free thoughtpolice wrote:I just reread the "grenade" post.
Unless I'm mistaken PZ has shortened his post a little?

He did some selective editing to make it look like he had first-hand knowledge of the event. But the Pit and Shermer's lawyers caught it, so it only make him look worse if it does not actually improve the accuracy of the claims.

bovarchist wrote:

AndrewV69 wrote:

Southern wrote:
Oh God, and the comic. The Warrior comic where he describes his "Destrucity" philosophy. So awesome...

OK I give in.I was not going to give you two the satisfaction but now I would like a linky ... or failing that a name I can Google Fu (thus confessing my complete and utter ignorance) on a subject which appears to have provided you both with such merriment.

I THINK it's The Ultimate Warrior, wrestler from the Hulk Hogan era.

JackSkeptic wrote:

Shermer had only two courses of action open to him. Say nothing or issue the standard Cease and Desist opener.

FlyingV wrote:

codelette wrote:Bitches, this is like motherfucking Xmas and Halloween combined together!
My contribution to this discussion is the following blast from the past...

I’ve been threatened with a false rape accusation, one that could have totally destroyed my career. I took it very seriously and moved quickly to provide evidence that it was false.
-PZ Myers

(That was around the time when Tittiefuck was all distressed and wrote that blog post about he was falsely accused of rape and whatnot).

Can a woman fap because I think I just did.

cunt wrote:Hello retards. Just popping in to say I hope PZ gets taken to the fucking cleaners.

cunt wrote:Hello retards. Just popping in to say I hope PZ gets taken to the fucking cleaners.

Mykeru wrote:Sorry to interrupt the Calamari Bake, but got a technical question.

<trimmed>

So I have to get people to place these videos, which are going to be massive in a place where I can access and download them. Does anyone know of a iPad-friendly service for uploading files of this type? I don't want to give them my Google Drive info and even then, I'm bucking at the limit of my storage space. The idea would be to create an account, give people the name and PWD and have them upload straight from their gay little iPads.

Any thoughts?

And now, back to our regularly scheduled Thimble-Dick self-immolation.

ianfc wrote:I'm surprised this episode hasn't earned some sort of worthy title, probably something with the gate suffix. Or I haven't seen it.

ianfc wrote:I'm surprised this episode hasn't earned some sort of worthy title, probably something with the gate suffix. Or I haven't seen it.

Badger3k wrote:

Tribble wrote:

Ape+lust wrote:What the.... ? Creationist blogs are chortling because PZ is accusing Steven Pinker of... hold on to yourself... scientism.

http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2013 ... ing-to-it/

That's just slander on Pinker's part. Myers has long given up science, skepticsm or rationality and, therefore, could not possibly commit 'scientism.' When I think of PZ Myers I think of this clip from As Good as it Gets:

[youtube]hbA-KAgj-ko[/youtube]

????

It sounds like Ape+Lust is saying PZ is accusing Pinker of scientism rather than the other way around, which is what you said. Did I read you correctly?

Scientism is a term used, usually pejoratively,[1][2][3] to refer to belief in the universal applicability of the scientific method and approach, and the view that empirical science constitutes the most authoritative worldview or most valuable part of human learning to the exclusion of other viewpoints

socialcuntism wrote:It is perfectly acceptable to use the term 'fap', just like many females will say 'getting head' as a euphemism for cunnilingus. :think:

JackSkeptic wrote:

Tribble wrote:

free thoughtpolice wrote:I just reread the "grenade" post.
Unless I'm mistaken PZ has shortened his post a little?

He did some selective editing to make it look like he had first-hand knowledge of the event. But the Pit and Shermer's lawyers caught it, so it only make him look worse if it does not actually improve the accuracy of the claims.

Don't you mean second hand knowledge? Originally it was third hand. So it went from 'a friend of a friend' told him to 'a friend'

socialcuntism wrote:

Parody Accountant wrote:It is perfectly acceptable to use the term 'fap', just like many females will say 'getting head' as a euphemism for cunnilingus. :think:

girls don't fap they flick their bean

socialcuntism wrote:
I think it is no coincidence that the PMZ style SJW's often come from a country with a high level of religiosity. Many humans seem to have a genetic need to believe or it may simply have come from being brain washed from birth. As they no longer have god they need a replacement and being an SJW fits the bill perfectly.

socialcuntism wrote:

socialcuntism wrote:It is perfectly acceptable to use the term 'fap', just like many females will say 'getting head' as a euphemism for cunnilingus. :think:

girls don't fap they flick their bean

socialcuntism wrote:

socialcuntism wrote:It is perfectly acceptable to use the term 'fap', just like many females will say 'getting head' as a euphemism for cunnilingus. :think:

girls don't fap they flick their bean

socialcuntism wrote:

JackSkeptic wrote:

bhoytony wrote:
I just wonder what he was up to. It sounded a bit forced and deliberate. The timing of it seemed a bit strange, as if he was trying to position himself somehow regarding this PZ/Shermer thing. Maybe he thinks PeeZus is on a loser and he's making a political move. It's not like him though, even that A+ farce didn't wake him up.

....

I think it is no coincidence that the PMZ style SJW's often come from a country with a high level of religiosity. Many humans seem to have a genetic need to believe or it may simply have come from being brain washed from birth. As they no longer have god they need a replacement and being an SJW fits the bill perfectly.

I have to disagree with the last bit. your ruling out so many variables seen and unknown. the faith population of an area could be a factor but not genetically. (at least not likely) perhaps its a strong influence. My guess this is just a social media thing. Its clear the majority of women will not assimilate to a group like this but they found small groups in mostly cities gained strength with the woman's rights talk on the media and used it to snatch up the week willed. they have all the characteristics of people susceptible to cults and they remind me of west borough baptist church.
Our only hope now is the rapture

VickyCaramel wrote:

JackSkeptic wrote:

Shermer had only two courses of action open to him. Say nothing or issue the standard Cease and Desist opener.

In my very, very limited experience, isn't a C&D usually a warning shot, which pretty much says, "I don't want to spend a small fortune and a load of my time in court, nor do you, so knock it off and we'll forget all about it"?

Wouldn't a third option to have been for Shermer to just sue him? After all, the damage has been done. Even if PeeZee removes all trace of this from the whole of FTB, this is all over the web now.

VickyCaramel wrote:

JackSkeptic wrote:

Shermer had only two courses of action open to him. Say nothing or issue the standard Cease and Desist opener.

In my very, very limited experience, isn't a C&D usually a warning shot, which pretty much says, "I don't want to spend a small fortune and a load of my time in court, nor do you, so knock it off and we'll forget all about it"?

Wouldn't a third option to have been for Shermer to just sue him? After all, the damage has been done. Even if PeeZee removes all trace of this from the whole of FTB, this is all over the web now.

ianfc wrote:I'm surprised this episode hasn't earned some sort of worthy title, probably something with the gate suffix. Or I haven't seen it.

FlyingV wrote:Can a woman fap because I think I just did.

JackSkeptic wrote:

bhoytony wrote:

Za-zen wrote: Don't fuck with my mojo.

Seriously dillahunty is fa fucking disgrace, i've witnessed far too much ass kissing on his part amongst the SJW crowd especially when they were in the ascendancy to confer any title on him other than pretender. Which i admit i have a personal bug bear with, because i truly thought at one point he was a genuine intellect.

I just wonder what he was up to. It sounded a bit forced and deliberate. The timing of it seemed a bit strange, as if he was trying to position himself somehow regarding this PZ/Shermer thing. Maybe he thinks PeeZus is on a loser and he's making a political move. It's not like him though, even that A+ farce didn't wake him up.

I used to listen to the Atheist Experience a lot until a few months back. I never once noticed Dillahunty bring any of the usual SJW issues into their conversations. Wagner, who seems to take any comment about women as a form of misogyny and has bought into the SJW crap hook, line and sinker, was equally silent about it on their show. So to do so now is unusual.

Dillahunty comes across as someone who only does things in extremes, including following his beliefs. That means he may lack nuance and subtlety. He also seems to have the Carrier style weakness that he can sometimes fool himself. His experience at A+ should have informed him what was obvious to everyone else. They stand against everything we believe in regarding free thought and critical thinking. The fact that was not immediately apparent to him was strange to say the least. The fact Wagner believes half of what he says is also very strange. They all seem to have this world-view that no evidence can change. They clearly do not even look for evidence and on the rare occasions they do they misinterpret it. They are still religious, just it is not god this time.

I think it is no coincidence that the PMZ style SJW's often come from a country with a high level of religiosity. Many humans seem to have a genetic need to believe or it may simply have come from being brain washed from birth. As they no longer have god they need a replacement and being an SJW fits the bill perfectly.

JackRayner wrote:

socialcuntism wrote:

Parody Accountant wrote:It is perfectly acceptable to use the term 'fap', just like many females will say 'getting head' as a euphemism for cunnilingus. :think:

girls don't fap they flick their bean

I've always hated that term. Visualizing is what I do for a living, and the mental image I get from that?...... http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x17/ ... iley/2.gif

It's just wrong.

VickyCaramel wrote:

JackSkeptic wrote:

Shermer had only two courses of action open to him. Say nothing or issue the standard Cease and Desist opener.

In my very, very limited experience, isn't a C&D usually a warning shot, which pretty much says, "I don't want to spend a small fortune and a load of my time in court, nor do you, so knock it off and we'll forget all about it"?

Wouldn't a third option to have been for Shermer to just sue him? After all, the damage has been done. Even if PeeZee removes all trace of this from the whole of FTB, this is all over the web now.

FlyingV wrote:

codelette wrote:Bitches, this is like motherfucking Xmas and Halloween combined together!
My contribution to this discussion is the following blast from the past...

I’ve been threatened with a false rape accusation, one that could have totally destroyed my career. I took it very seriously and moved quickly to provide evidence that it was false.
-PZ Myers

(That was around the time when Tittiefuck was all distressed and wrote that blog post about he was falsely accused of rape and whatnot).

Can a woman fap because I think I just did.

Now is the scum of pork made to alter his content by our glorious Shermer?

Lsuoma wrote: I believe women schlick instead of fapping.

socialcuntism wrote:It is perfectly acceptable to use the term 'fap', just like many females will say 'getting head' as a euphemism for cunnilingus. :think:

I read today in the news that somebody did a study of studies and found that smart people are less likely to be religious. I don't think any of us are surprised... however I seem to remember that smart people are more likely to get sucked into cults -- probably because they can just as easily be fooled by trickery which relies on stuff like heuristics, but they *think* they are too smart to be fooled.

another lurker wrote:

socialcuntism wrote:
I think it is no coincidence that the PMZ style SJW's often come from a country with a high level of religiosity. Many humans seem to have a genetic need to believe or it may simply have come from being brain washed from birth. As they no longer have god they need a replacement and being an SJW fits the bill perfectly.

I have to disagree with the last bit. your ruling out so many variables seen and unknown. the faith population of an area could be a factor but not genetically. (at least not likely) perhaps its a strong influence. My guess this is just a social media thing. Its clear the majority of women will not assimilate to a group like this but they found small groups in mostly cities gained strength with the woman's rights talk on the media and used it to snatch up the week willed. they have all the characteristics of people susceptible to cults and they remind me of west borough baptist church.
Our only hope now is the rapture

Well there is this:

http://bigthink.com/think-tank/is-the-b ... r-religion

A fundie once told me that since our brains are already primed for religion, that we *should* and *must* believe, because of this. /eyeroll

Matt Cavanaugh wrote: Google gelding + bean for the image I got.

BarnOwl wrote:I think the Edina MN book-signing is just the beginning of a new line of time-wasting, non-science activities planned by PeeZus:

Tribble wrote:Actually, I did get it backwards. I went to the post but was so long and I'm beat as hell as I've been up since 2:30AM 'cause today was Surgical Oncology Doctor day with my wife.

Gumby wrote:

BarnOwl wrote:I think the Edina MN book-signing is just the beginning of a new line of time-wasting, non-science activities planned by PeeZus:

Grunge? Really?

Oh Peez, your transparent attempt to look hip and cool to your hipster douchebag followers is transparent. If you actually listen to grunge, I'm the fucking Space Pope.

another lurker wrote:https://www.google.ca/search?q=humans+a ... l&safe=off

Why our brains are hard wired to believe in a God, or Gods, or ghosts, or bigfoot or etc etc etc...

Tonnes of articles on the subject.

There is also this theory:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_gene

Which has more to do with some people being susceptible to 'mystical experiences'


And here is an opposing view:

http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com ... hardwired/

Mykeru wrote:

Angry_Drunk wrote:

welch wrote:
Have them upload it to dropbox then email you the link.

That presumes the people in question have already have Dropbox and know how to use it, not necessarily a given.

If I was going to use Dropbox for this -- and honestly I would, I only mentioned Google earlier because file size is a concern (2GB for DB, 15GB for GD) -- I would just register a new account for everyone to use and scrap it when all was said and done.

I use Google Drive on my home computer, but it required a local application too.

Ah, it's horseshit. I'm going to try to get a special dispensation to allow people to data cable to the network and dump it on one of the shared network drives. Everything else is just rendered ridiculous by our security architecture which is based on strangling us until we turn blue and easing off slightly before brain damage sets in.

Za-zen wrote:I'm officially done, i've been following this drama for too long. The skeptic atheist community is a joke for having entertained these morons for so long. Twatson is a self promoting talentless one trick pony (with a knack for getting people who should know better to giver her a pass, you know who i'm talking about, he most definitely fell for her cock sucking routine, yes Novella that's you, how many rumps in the sack did it take to trade your integrity?)

Myers, fuck, from this point forward i don't give a fuck if myers makes a good point, he's a fucking tool, the type of laughing idiot every town has. He's an embarrassment to intellect.

As for the assholes charged with running the skeptic atheist sphere, you muppets brought this crazy upon us, it was you who promoted these cunts, whilst it is very true, that we get the press we deserve, it is for those in positions of charge to attempt to stop the lunatics taking over the asylum, you cunts thought it was a good idea, because, popularism! It is for you i have the upmost scorn.

Dillafuckingcunty. I reserve special prejudice for you. You sir, have mastered the rhetoric well, but you never really did study the mechanics, did you. You're an apologist, not by trade by nature, for whatever position you assume at any given point in time. Your A+ fiasco most surely demonstrated that, you curtailed your criticism, and went so far as to defend the ideology which had beyond doubt been shown to you to be the insane corrupt aborted bastard child of the crazed halfwits, that it was claimed to be. All in the name of "the greater good". That says everything that is needed about you. You fail not only the final fence, you fail at intellectual honesty, that's why you'll never be more than a parrot of those greater than you.

The baboons. I despise you more than theists. There is too much to say, so i shall condense it into this singular point, the only action these self obsessed activists take is self pleasure, in whatever form presents itself.

The moron on the Jref forum who waxes lyrical about shermer propositioning his wife, you are a limp dick waif. You tell this story on a fucking forum! I bet my bottom dollar you did fuck all about it, you disgust me, you use this in an attempt to stain shermer, when the stain lays with you. Did you confront shermer about this insult to your honour, or did you mew sheepishly. You know what brother, it in actuality was in all probability nothing more than a fantasy of your wife, the fantasy of having a male who wasn't a fucking cuckold. I'd check your wife's pantie drawer, she probably hands them out as trophies to any male with a set to use them.

Matt Cavanaugh wrote:

JackRayner wrote:

socialcuntism wrote: girls don't fap they flick their bean

I've always hated that term. Visualizing is what I do for a living, and the mental image I get from that?...... http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x17/ ... iley/2.gif

It's just wrong.

Google gelding + bean for the image I got.

Cold wrote:This is simultaneously the most laugh-inducing and creepily unsettling post I think I've ever seen on Pharyngula, and I think it quite nicely sums up the psychopathic views of FTB commentators and, in general, people who take feminism too far.

The parts in bold are where it really starts to get kooky.

Dudebros, try looking at alcohol-rape like this:

You are on a first dinner-date with a woman—getting acquainted. You order seafood, and she says that when she eats seafood, she passes out a while and wakes up just fine. She accidentally eats some of your crabcake, and she indeed passes out.

What would you do? Sit and wait? Fondle her? Have sex with her unconscious body?

What could you do to her that would/would not constitute skeeviness and/or rape? I want you to define a line between permissible sexual activity and rape—and remember that she agreed to dinner with you, you paid for the taxi, you might have got to sex, anyhow—whatever you think about it.

Now, let’s slide the scale:

How about if you’d slipped that crabcake onto her plate knowing she’d pass out?

How if you put Roofies in her drink?

Put extra alcohol in her drink?

Put extra drinks in her glass?

Pressed drinks upon her?

Started drinking so she would?

Took her to a place where drinks are served?

Asked her out “for a drink”?

At what point does it become rape/not rape for you? Where do you define rape?

When does a date ending in sex become a set-up for rape, and why should we give a shit what you think?

Legal definitions are often arbitrarily precise. For instance, legal drinking age is set at a person’s 21st birthday, in some states—it’s not right for everyone, but that’s the way it has to go, unless you want drinking tests like drivers tests. Crimes of theft change definition based on dollar values. Speeding tickets jump at certain miles per hour. There has to be an arbitrary line, sometimes.

The point is, in the case of rape, the woman gets to define whether she was raped. Not you. It’s her body, she decides. It may seem arbitrary, but how else are we going to define rape?

It is the woman’s call. If she feels she was raped, she was raped.

Or at least it should be, just as it should be fore abortion. Woman’s body, woman’s decision. A person deciding on their own autonomy about themselves and their own body.

If you say you didn’t rape her, you get to shut the hell up. If you say you had consensual sex, and she needs to prove otherwise to the police, you need to ask yourself exactly what she could use to prove that. What legal evidence is there to differ between drunken consensual sex and a half-drunken rape of a drunk woman—-your word that she said yes?

We go with her word that it it was rape, and she gets time to think it over. If you want to keep her from deciding, you are a horrible person. If you think she can’t decide, or she can’t be trusted, just because she’s a woman, you are a horrible person..

As for the argument that a woman might have sex, then change her mind and call it rape … well, DON’T HAVE SEX WITH HER!!!! Jesus Christ, you guys act like any chance at all you have to have any kind of sex at all, with anybody at all, is your right, your privilege and your penis taking control. If you think she might be that kind of person, run away. Just like if you think she might have an STD, you run away. Take precautions, make choices, take some time to get acquainted. You don’t have to have sex, do you? Especially with complete strangers that you don’t trust.

You say that women should know to not start drinking (and then you complain like hell when someone says to not start drinking with one particular guy). Well, all men should know not to have sex with people who might accuse them of rape.

Let me phrase this as advice: DON’T FUCK PEOPLE YOU DON”T KNOW!

Don’t fuck anybody, really. Try having consensual, loving sex, with someone you trust, then if she says that she wants you to go at her like a steam train, fuck away.

Don’t assume that every woman wants to be fucked, needs to be fucked, or that you have the right to fuck her, whether she says she wants it or not.

Ewww.

The skeevy assumptions and sense of superiority that the menz are bringing to this discussion are skin-crawlingly weird to me, and I am a man who has had sex on short acquaintance a time or two. The inseparable connection between sex and alcohol is bizarre—if you have to get her drunk to have sex with you, she doesn’t really like you. If you have to get drunk to have sex with her, maybe you shouldn’t have sex. Sober up and talk with her. Or go elsewhere.

Dudes, you need to stop and think about your attitudes toward sex and toward women. You need to do some thinking really hard about women’s points of view. Really think about it. Read, and think some more.

Just because you and a lot of the guys that you know all act a certain way, doesn’t mean it’s the only way, the manly way. And if you change your ways, toward something more agreeable to women’s ways, you might do better with women.

And if the first and only thought in your head right then was “gay” or “friend zone”, you really need to do some serious thinking.

TL;DR version:

If a woman decides she was raped, she was raped, and you raped her. Regardless of what you or anyone else thinks because it's her body and nobody gives a shit what you think.

rayshul wrote:

Tribble wrote:Actually, I did get it backwards. I went to the post but was so long and I'm beat as hell as I've been up since 2:30AM 'cause today was Surgical Oncology Doctor day with my wife.

For cancer... that sounds really good and positive. All the best to you and your wife.

Gumby wrote:

BarnOwl wrote:I think the Edina MN book-signing is just the beginning of a new line of time-wasting, non-science activities planned by PeeZus:

Grunge? Really?

Oh Peez, your transparent attempt to look hip and cool to your hipster douchebag followers is transparent. If you actually listen to grunge, I'm the fucking Space Pope.

Cunning Punt wrote:

Za-zen wrote:I'm officially done, i've been following this drama for too long. The skeptic atheist community is a joke for having entertained these morons for so long. Twatson is a self promoting talentless one trick pony (with a knack for getting people who should know better to giver her a pass, you know who i'm talking about, he most definitely fell for her cock sucking routine, yes Novella that's you, how many rumps in the sack did it take to trade your integrity?)

Myers, fuck, from this point forward i don't give a fuck if myers makes a good point, he's a fucking tool, the type of laughing idiot every town has. He's an embarrassment to intellect.

As for the assholes charged with running the skeptic atheist sphere, you muppets brought this crazy upon us, it was you who promoted these cunts, whilst it is very true, that we get the press we deserve, it is for those in positions of charge to attempt to stop the lunatics taking over the asylum, you cunts thought it was a good idea, because, popularism! It is for you i have the upmost scorn.

Dillafuckingcunty. I reserve special prejudice for you. You sir, have mastered the rhetoric well, but you never really did study the mechanics, did you. You're an apologist, not by trade by nature, for whatever position you assume at any given point in time. Your A+ fiasco most surely demonstrated that, you curtailed your criticism, and went so far as to defend the ideology which had beyond doubt been shown to you to be the insane corrupt aborted bastard child of the crazed halfwits, that it was claimed to be. All in the name of "the greater good". That says everything that is needed about you. You fail not only the final fence, you fail at intellectual honesty, that's why you'll never be more than a parrot of those greater than you.

The baboons. I despise you more than theists. There is too much to say, so i shall condense it into this singular point, the only action these self obsessed activists take is self pleasure, in whatever form presents itself.

The moron on the Jref forum who waxes lyrical about shermer propositioning his wife, you are a limp dick waif. You tell this story on a fucking forum! I bet my bottom dollar you did fuck all about it, you disgust me, you use this in an attempt to stain shermer, when the stain lays with you. Did you confront shermer about this insult to your honour, or did you mew sheepishly. You know what brother, it in actuality was in all probability nothing more than a fantasy of your wife, the fantasy of having a male who wasn't a fucking cuckold. I'd check your wife's pantie drawer, she probably hands them out as trophies to any male with a set to use them.

Epic rant.

Tony Parsehole wrote:

Gumby wrote:

BarnOwl wrote:I think the Edina MN book-signing is just the beginning of a new line of time-wasting, non-science activities planned by PeeZus:

Grunge? Really?

Oh Peez, your transparent attempt to look hip and cool to your hipster douchebag followers is transparent. If you actually listen to grunge, I'm the fucking Space Pope.

HA! I know! Come on Peez, pull the other one.
"Yes, I very much like the banging tunes of Nearvana and Pearls Of Jam, they are top-drawer and I own every one of their cassettes."

Parody Accountant wrote:

Gumby wrote:

BarnOwl wrote:I think the Edina MN book-signing is just the beginning of a new line of time-wasting, non-science activities planned by PeeZus:

Grunge? Really?

Oh Peez, your transparent attempt to look hip and cool to your hipster douchebag followers is transparent. If you actually listen to grunge, I'm the fucking Space Pope.

I know what song he needs:

[youtube]3rS6mZUo3fg[/youtube]

socialcuntism wrote:
well Ftb bitches fap flap

Parody Accountant wrote:

Apples wrote:Also Dana Hunter at En Tequila Es Verdad has a couple posts up using the witty metaphor that the A/S community has a "Cock Roach" problem and what's needed is a proper and thorough extermination.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/--XhhoOy2L8g/T ... rRadio.jpg

This is an amazing shop. Well done. Worth looking up the reference if you're not familiar.

Parody Accountant wrote:

Gumby wrote:

BarnOwl wrote:I think the Edina MN book-signing is just the beginning of a new line of time-wasting, non-science activities planned by PeeZus:

Grunge? Really?

Oh Peez, your transparent attempt to look hip and cool to your hipster douchebag followers is transparent. If you actually listen to grunge, I'm the fucking Space Pope.

I know what song he needs:

[youtube]3rS6mZUo3fg[/youtube]

katamari Damassi wrote:

Cold wrote:
TL;DR version:

If a woman decides she was raped, she was raped, and you raped her. Regardless of what you or anyone else thinks because it's her body and nobody gives a shit what you think.

So, so happy to be a homo.