Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

#13441

Tribble wrote:
First, the man in question wasn't a pedophile. Pedophiles have sex with children. It's true that two of the girls were 13 and 14 respectively, but as we know, some girls develop early and big and not always as apparent as one would like which is why if you're into the "young girl thing' you should ALWAYS get an ID. For example, Angie Verona: http://www.suprlol.com/angie-varona/

She's 14 in many (or most) of those pictures and none are after 17. I've dated women in their 20s who looked younger than her. So, if you presume she's as old as she's developed, you're going to jail.

For the record, I would have absolutely no trouble in recognizing that girl as majorly underaged.

#13442

Tribble wrote:
deLurch wrote:
I heard on these forums that Paul Myers is a partial owner of FTB. Is that true? Because if he is and all of those FTB bloggers are getting paid by this little company he owns, there is an extremely clear path of agency there.
50% Brayton, 50% Myers when founded. Have no idea about now.

Do you have a source for that? I seem to recall Brayton contending multiple times when they started that FTB was 100% his.

#13443

real horrorshow wrote:
Cold [pending] wrote:
Unfortunately PZ went full retard and completely deleted all of my comments under that trip, so I couldn't locate the responses even if I tried. It was less than cordial to say the least.

In any case let's see how long this trip lasts before disappearing into the octo-ether:

http://i.imgur.com/6T57Bwv.jpg?1
You might have given me a credit you bugger: viewtopic.php?p=116544#p116544

Yeah sorry about that, didn't think to add a footnote. I just kind of mashed together a couple good random posts from different people and changed it slightly.

Consider copying the highest form of flattery.

#13444

It's almost 5AM PST, and time to get the fuck to bed. I assume that by the time I get up, Myers will have made some sort of move, and I look forward to eight pages of comments here. Night, all!

#13445

Cold wrote:
In other news, satire finds its way into the halls of Pharyngula!

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ent-669020

Nick Gotts

14 August 2013 at 6:49 am (UTC -5)

Since I strongly suspect â€œJennifer McCarthyâ€ is a sockpuppet (as well as a lying bag of shit, obviously), Iâ€™ve alerted PZ.

PeeZee! PeeZee! Lookat what the bad poster said! Did I do good PZ? Can I get a head pat or a treat now PZ?

#13446

Oh, and I'd just like to add that I just finished A Dance With Dragons, and George Martin can eat a bag of AIDS.

#13447

bovarchist wrote:
Tribble wrote:
First, the man in question wasn't a pedophile. Pedophiles have sex with children. It's true that two of the girls were 13 and 14 respectively, but as we know, some girls develop early and big and not always as apparent as one would like which is why if you're into the "young girl thing' you should ALWAYS get an ID. For example, Angie Verona: http://www.suprlol.com/angie-varona/

She's 14 in many (or most) of those pictures and none are after 17. I've dated women in their 20s who looked younger than her. So, if you presume she's as old as she's developed, you're going to jail.
For the record, I would have absolutely no trouble in recognizing that girl as majorly underaged.

Yeah, she is obviously underage in those pics. Not even a question.

#13448

http://i.imgur.com/65TYvAg.jpg

Pz Meyers ladies and gentlemen..... :rimshot:

#13449

Oops.....'Myers'.

#13450

bovarchist wrote:
Tribble wrote:
First, the man in question wasn't a pedophile. Pedophiles have sex with children. It's true that two of the girls were 13 and 14 respectively, but as we know, some girls develop early and big and not always as apparent as one would like which is why if you're into the "young girl thing' you should ALWAYS get an ID. For example, Angie Verona: http://www.suprlol.com/angie-varona/

She's 14 in many (or most) of those pictures and none are after 17. I've dated women in their 20s who looked younger than her. So, if you presume she's as old as she's developed, you're going to jail.
For the record, I would have absolutely no trouble in recognizing that girl as majorly underaged.

The picture with the cat! ROTFL, oh man, that hurt my abdominals.

#13451

16bitheretic wrote:

PeeZee! PeeZee! Lookat what the bad poster said! Did I do good PZ? Can I get a head pat or a treat now PZ?

What events must happen in a person's life to make them so obsequious? I think Franc is on to something when he calls them toilet-slaves.

LurkerPerson · #13452

People usually say that with Storm of Swords, because of a series of specific characters dying. What outraged you so much about Dance? The fact that he will probably die of a heart attack due to cholesterol before ever finishing the story and the book doesn't or barely advances any of the plotlines?

#13453

Ä uest wrote:

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PZ Myers:          What happen ? 
Jen McCreight:     Somebody set up us the bomb. 
Jason Thimbledick: We get signal. 
PZ Myers:          What !
Jason Thimbledick: Main screen turn on. 
PZ Myers:          Itâ€™s you !!

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Michael Shermer:   How are you gentlemen !!
Michael Shermer:   All your base are belong to us. 
Michael Shermer:   You are on the way to destruction.

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PZ Myers:          What you say !!

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Michael Shermer:   You have no chance to survive make your time.
Michael Shermer:   Ha ha ha ha â€¦

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Jason Thimbledick: PZ Myers !!
PZ Myers:          Take off every â€˜POSTâ€™!! 
PZ Myers:          You know what you doing.
PZ Myers:          Move â€˜POSTâ€™.
PZ Myers:          For great justice.

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x17/ ... /rofl2.gif http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x17/ ... /rofl2.gif http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x17/ ... /rofl2.gif http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x17/ ... /rofl2.gif

I bow to you, whoever you are. http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x17/ ... w_down.gif

#13454

bovarchist wrote:Oh, and I'd just like to add that I just finished A Dance With Dragons, and George Martin can eat a bag of AIDS.

its just misery porn at this point isn't it?

#13455

Oh more new people. Welcome. Others will give the customary welcome, so I will give you the required basket of links:

http://www.kittenspet.com/wp-content/up ... ket-10.jpg

#13456

Git wrote:
bovarchist wrote:Oh, and I'd just like to add that I just finished A Dance With Dragons, and George Martin can eat a bag of AIDS.
its just misery porn at this point isn't it?

I liked it quite a bit. The Theon chapters were pretty great.

#13457

Jonathan wrote:
codelette wrote:She most be a Twitter veteran...
http://i.imgur.com/9CFl4YA.png

Fuckin' self-centered asshole and her PTSD self-diagnosis.
Well she understood the plight of a blind man because she hurt her ankle once.

How long until she tells a combat veteran that she totally understands what he/she went through?

The woman's a joke, and not a funny one.

Ugh. I'm just going to quote you in agreeance and leave it at that.

That cunt pisses me off to much...

#13458

I've been in the Slymepit. Now I have PTSD.

#13459

Git wrote:With thanks to Cornsail over at JREF, here is his/her timeline of the FC(n) going after Shermer:

Cornsail wrote:
Apology wrote: Does anyone know if Myers has a long history of being overly critical of Shermer or having a bad relationship with him in the past? Is there any reason that I'm unaware of that would make Myers want to mount a smear campaign against Shermer?
Please note none of the quoted snippets below are purported to be in context. Follow the links and read as much as desired to find the context.

[snip]

Holy fuck. Their level of obsession finally sunk in when I noticed that I had to keep scrolling. I mean...I understood they had a thing for him, but damn! :shock:

LurkerPerson · #13460

Git wrote:
bovarchist wrote:Oh, and I'd just like to add that I just finished A Dance With Dragons, and George Martin can eat a bag of AIDS.
its just misery porn at this point isn't it?

Read practically any history book, it's much more depressing. All the awful things that happen in that series are lifted from historical events in the first place. The participants are just humanized and given characters, motivations, hopes, dreams, etc... so the delivery is not as dry and clinical.

Known as the Black Dinner, a black bull's head, the symbol of death, was brought in. After the dinner the Douglas chiefs were dragged out to Castle Hill, given a mock trial and beheaded. The Clan Douglas then laid siege to Edinburgh Castle. Perceiving the danger, Crichton surrendered the castle to the king who was then given the title of Lord Crichton. It is still unclear exactly who else was ultimately responsible, though it is thought Livingstone and Buchan were also likely candidates.

A person can read the above and stay completely detached. If it was dramatized in book or movie format it would be just as poignant.

#13461

Hunt wrote:I predict PZ will base his decision to retract exclusively on protecting the anonymity of Jane Doe. Given his predilection to only appear weak if he can martyr himself to some ulterior compelling and white knighting cause, that is his natural move. How exactly he's going to segue from that into retracting and apologizing is a mystery to me, but I'm sure, given his talent for manipulative prose, that he will pull it off in spades. The horde will eat it up alive, the line of affirmations and confirmations and sympathy and knowing "we understand" will be endless.

I like it. If it comes to pass I'll make sure to credit you in my blog, which is just far enough away from the Slymepit that you gain a modicum of class and gravitas. Mind you, I find this place as comfortable as a louse on Watsons unshaven vajayjay, but it's not for everybody.

Enjoy.

#13462

rayshul wrote:Off topic - a vg journalist (Jaffe) responds to accusations of misogyny by another journalist... and complains to the magazine editor.

https://soundcloud.com/ben-kuchera/jaffe-confrontation

Not at the end of the thread, so don't know if it's already been said, but that's David Jaffe, a well-known videogame designer. I'll add that the cursing is kind of a normal thing for him. He always curses. :lol:

#13463

rayshul wrote:
rayshul wrote:Off topic - a vg journalist (Jaffe) responds to accusations of misogyny by another journalist... and complains to the magazine editor.

https://soundcloud.com/ben-kuchera/jaffe-confrontation
Sorry - Jaffe is a developer. ^_^

Drats! If only I would have scrolled down a bit further...

#13464

I'm betting Myers will NOT comply with the cease and desist. :popcorn:

#13465

AndrewV69 wrote:
Southern wrote:
Oh God, and the comic. The Warrior comic where he describes his "Destrucity" philosophy. So awesome...
OK I give in.I was not going to give you two the satisfaction but now I would like a linky ... or failing that a name I can Google Fu (thus confessing my complete and utter ignorance) on a subject which appears to have provided you both with such merriment.

There's the link to a review of all the 4 issues of the Warrior comic by a duo of then-funny internet schmucks, Linkara and Spoony:

http://spoonyexperiment.com/2009/05/21/ ... warrior-1/

http://spoonyexperiment.com/2010/05/29/ ... r-2-and-3/

http://spoonyexperiment.com/2011/10/16/ ... warrior-4/

I hope you enjoy - the crazyness of the comic is to be seen to be believed. And it was supposed to be taken somewhat seriously!

#13466

Gumby wrote:
bovarchist wrote:
Tribble wrote:
First, the man in question wasn't a pedophile. Pedophiles have sex with children. It's true that two of the girls were 13 and 14 respectively, but as we know, some girls develop early and big and not always as apparent as one would like which is why if you're into the "young girl thing' you should ALWAYS get an ID. For example, Angie Verona: http://www.suprlol.com/angie-varona/

She's 14 in many (or most) of those pictures and none are after 17. I've dated women in their 20s who looked younger than her. So, if you presume she's as old as she's developed, you're going to jail.
For the record, I would have absolutely no trouble in recognizing that girl as majorly underaged.
Yeah, she is obviously underage in those pics. Not even a question.

@ bovarchist and/or Gumby

http://gifsforum.com/images/gif/not%20s ... 582072.gif

Or, "Yyyyyyyeap. I'd be in jail."

#13467

LurkerPerson wrote:
Git wrote:
bovarchist wrote:Oh, and I'd just like to add that I just finished A Dance With Dragons, and George Martin can eat a bag of AIDS.
its just misery porn at this point isn't it?
Read practically any history book, it's much more depressing. All the awful things that happen in that series are lifted from historical events in the first place. The participants are just humanized and given characters, motivations, hopes, dreams, etc... so the delivery is not as dry and clinical.

Known as the Black Dinner, a black bull's head, the symbol of death, was brought in. After the dinner the Douglas chiefs were dragged out to Castle Hill, given a mock trial and beheaded. The Clan Douglas then laid siege to Edinburgh Castle. Perceiving the danger, Crichton surrendered the castle to the king who was then given the title of Lord Crichton. It is still unclear exactly who else was ultimately responsible, though it is thought Livingstone and Buchan were also likely candidates.
A person can read the above and stay completely detached. If it was dramatized in book or movie format it would be just as poignant.

Also the cliche "life is stranger than fiction" holds true. If it was made up it would be unbelievable in most cases. At least that's what Patrick O'Brien wrote in his intro. for Master & Commander, since he lifted the battles straight from history and filed the serial numbers off. Some one handed guy swinging to and fro ships to accept surrender, please. Then you read that's what Admiral Nelson did at the Nile.

Tfoot · #13468

Myers is screwed plain and simple.

There is no way out for him here. I doubt even a grovelling apology would cut it at this point. He has accused someone of one of the most serious criminal offenses as publicly as he can and the genie cannot be put back in the bottle.

Even in the best case scenario for him, where the current non-existent victim actually steps forward and makes allegations, this still leaves PZ screwed.

Why, if he had knowledge of such a serious crime did he not report it to the police? Why the extra-judicial approach?
Even in the BEST case scenario, PZ is guilty of lynch mob justice.

At worst he is guilty of inciting lynch mob justice against an innocent man.

PZ has stated that 'he always has his science career to fall back on'. Im not sure this is true. His blog prominently says that he works at University of Minnesota (Morris). As was noted, one of shermers legal letters was sent to Morris.

Desecrating wafers and holy books you can justify as free speech. No university wants to be associated with inciting a lynch mob justice against someone on accusations that are shakey at best.

Put simply its entirely conceivable that this could cost myers his job (and it could well be argued, rightly so). Having morris on the map for 'a famous atheist' is one thing. Having morris on the map because 'thats the university with the lecturer who accuses people of rape based on hearsay to incite a lynch mob', is another thing altogether.

All the endgame scenarios look bleak for Myers.

Strangely I have no pity whatsoever for the odious little man who made his name by flinging feces at people.

#13469

Roofied_Baboon wrote:I'm betting Myers will NOT comply with the cease and desist. :popcorn:

If he has the courage of his convictions he wont,we'll have to wait and see

BillHamp · #13470

Hunt wrote:I predict PZ will base his decision to retract exclusively on protecting the anonymity of Jane Doe. Given his predilection to only appear weak if he can martyr himself to some ulterior compelling and white knighting cause, that is his natural move. How exactly he's going to segue from that into retracting and apologizing is a mystery to me, but I'm sure, given his talent for manipulative prose, that he will pull it off in spades. The horde will eat it up alive, the line of affirmations and confirmations and sympathy and knowing "we understand" will be endless.

If he does that, and neglects the apology, then he has failed to meet the terms of the C&D. He do well to ante up and perform the requests in that letter. It just might lower his final payout when Shermer sues him into poverty (at least then PZ will be a little less priviledged!).

#13471

Roofied_Baboon wrote:I'm betting Myers will NOT comply with the cease and desist. :popcorn:

Agree.

I keep thinking about that bit Shermer wrote/said about failing to deal with PZ and his nutbag buddies that someone posted earlier (Ophelia's take on it, at least). Seriously, these people should have sorted this shit earlier. Because they could have. And now we have this fucking insanity.

#13472

Dave wrote:
Tribble wrote:
deLurch wrote:
I heard on these forums that Paul Myers is a partial owner of FTB. Is that true? Because if he is and all of those FTB bloggers are getting paid by this little company he owns, there is an extremely clear path of agency there.
50% Brayton, 50% Myers when founded. Have no idea about now.
Do you have a source for that? I seem to recall Brayton contending multiple times when they started that FTB was 100% his.

It was an offhand comment I read years ago and have no source or link because I considered it unimportant. He may have meant something different by 'partnership' and his describing it as 50-50 where Brayton was to take care of much of the back-end of the business and he took care of the front-end.

He may have just meant an association. While, for me, partnership is two or more entities engaged in a for-profit business endeavor.

BillHamp · #13473

Tfoot wrote:Myers is screwed plain and simple.

There is no way out for him here. I doubt even a grovelling apology would cut it at this point. He has accused someone of one of the most serious criminal offenses as publicly as he can and the genie cannot be put back in the bottle.

Even in the best case scenario for him, where the current non-existent victim actually steps forward and makes allegations, this still leaves PZ screwed.

Why, if he had knowledge of such a serious crime did he not report it to the police? Why the extra-judicial approach?
Even in the BEST case scenario, PZ is guilty of lynch mob justice.

At worst he is guilty of inciting lynch mob justice against an innocent man.

PZ has stated that 'he always has his science career to fall back on'. Im not sure this is true. His blog prominently says that he works at University of Minnesota (Morris). As was noted, one of shermers legal letters was sent to Morris.

Desecrating wafers and holy books you can justify as free speech. No university wants to be associated with inciting a lynch mob justice against someone on accusations that are shakey at best.

Put simply its entirely conceivable that this could cost myers his job (and it could well be argued, rightly so). Having morris on the map for 'a famous atheist' is one thing. Having morris on the map because 'thats the university with the lecturer who accuses people of rape based on hearsay to incite a lynch mob', is another thing altogether.

All the endgame scenarios look bleak for Myers.

Strangely I have no pity whatsoever for the odious little man who made his name by flinging feces at people.

Exactly

#13474

Gumby wrote:
bovarchist wrote:
For the record, I would have absolutely no trouble in recognizing that girl as majorly underaged.
Yeah, she is obviously underage in those pics. Not even a question.

The face is what tips it off for me. And while most people can, I know not everyone can read faces or judge ages by faces and if you, instead, use sexual characteristics as your markers... Well, confusion can happen and, consequently, so can inappropriate age problems. And that was the point I was trying to short-hand illustrate.

#13475

Southern wrote:
AndrewV69 wrote:
Southern wrote:
Oh God, and the comic. The Warrior comic where he describes his "Destrucity" philosophy. So awesome...
OK I give in.I was not going to give you two the satisfaction but now I would like a linky ... or failing that a name I can Google Fu (thus confessing my complete and utter ignorance) on a subject which appears to have provided you both with such merriment.
There's the link to a review of all the 4 issues of the Warrior comic by a duo of then-funny internet schmucks, Linkara and Spoony:

http://spoonyexperiment.com/2009/05/21/ ... warrior-1/

http://spoonyexperiment.com/2010/05/29/ ... r-2-and-3/

http://spoonyexperiment.com/2011/10/16/ ... warrior-4/

I hope you enjoy - the crazyness of the comic is to be seen to be believed. And it was supposed to be taken somewhat seriously!

Holy shit....and it's all illustrated by Rob Liefeld?! This couldn't be better! :lol:

#13476

LurkerPerson wrote:People usually say that with Storm of Swords, because of a series of specific characters dying. What outraged you so much about Dance? The fact that he will probably die of a heart attack due to cholesterol before ever finishing the story and the book doesn't or barely advances any of the plotlines?

That and he's overly-sadistic to huge swaths of his characters while giving the more cartoonish villians way too many passes. But, mostly, because he's not that good of a writer. He's like Charlene Harris with a penis - popular but fairly shitty books.

#13477

Tribble wrote:
Gumby wrote:
bovarchist wrote:
For the record, I would have absolutely no trouble in recognizing that girl as majorly underaged.
Yeah, she is obviously underage in those pics. Not even a question.
The face is what tips it off for me. And while most people can, I know not everyone can read faces or judge ages by faces and if you, instead, use sexual characteristics as your markers... Well, confusion can happen and, consequently, so can inappropriate age problems. And that was the point I was trying to short-hand illustrate.

Yep. "But your honor, I was fooled. just look at her tits!" isn't going to play well in court.

#13478

Roofied_Baboon wrote:I'm betting Myers will NOT comply with the cease and desist. :popcorn:

I'm hoping he fights. Because (win lose or draw) he's gonna have spend a lot of money. And his reputation, in the broader atheist world, should (I hope) take enough of hit that he'll be persona non grata with the management who run most events and he'll wither and die on the vine.

Guest · #13479

The Tim Channel wrote:I like it. If it comes to pass I'll make sure to credit you in my blog, which is just far enough away from the Slymepit that you gain a modicum of class and gravitas. Mind you, I find this place as comfortable as a louse on Watsons unshaven vajayjay, but it's not for everybody. Enjoy.

Atheists did 9/11.

#13480

http://i.imgur.com/Dubbj9u.jpg

#13481

So, PZ, still waiting. I'm sure you can get your team to delay thing but eventually....

#13482

Between getting ready to move, work and trying to level up a second character to 100 in Everquest :), I'm having a hard time reading every post lately. But, I will say, they are the bestest posts in the whole world! PZ really stuck his foot in it this time.

Once I'm settled in KY, I may get a chance to actually post more here and my website, and restart my BlogTalkRadio. <fingers crossed>

#13483

Jan Steen wrote:http://i.imgur.com/Dubbj9u.jpg

Things didn't go quite as planned:

http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9cqe ... o1_500.gif

#13484

JackRayner wrote:
Southern wrote:There's the link to a review of all the 4 issues of the Warrior comic by a duo of then-funny internet schmucks, Linkara and Spoony:

http://spoonyexperiment.com/2009/05/21/ ... warrior-1/

http://spoonyexperiment.com/2010/05/29/ ... r-2-and-3/

http://spoonyexperiment.com/2011/10/16/ ... warrior-4/

I hope you enjoy - the crazyness of the comic is to be seen to be believed. And it was supposed to be taken somewhat seriously!
Holy shit....and it's all illustrated by Rob Liefeld?! This couldn't be better! :lol:

Basically, it's what happens when you add the Cliffs Notes for "Atlas Shrugged" to a steroid and LSD smoothie and incorporate it into your diet for a number of years.
Warrior (the former Jim Hellwig legally changed his name to Warrior - I shit you not) also has an interesting personal history which should absolutely, in no way whatsoever be connected to his raving homophobia.
For further lulz and an explanation as to why he's one of only two people connected to the wrestling business (okay, three if you include Chris Benoit) who absolutely no-one likes see below:

[youtube]6oYrthZqK-Q[/youtube]

Guest · #13485

Tribble wrote:First, the man in question wasn't a pedophile. Pedophiles have sex with children. It's true that two of the girls were 13 and 14 respectively

Yes, strictly speaking, he was "an ephebophile who repeatedly committed whatever your jurisdiction calls the crime of a person above the age of consent having sex with a person below the age of consent."

That's why if anyone ever gets rich, they should probably buy more video games instead of fucking trafficked prostitutes, unlike this scumbag.

Btw, Watson obviously didn't mean "pedophilia" in the sense of a psychiatric disorder but in the vernacular sense of "having sex with persons under the age of consent" so that part of your post is just fooling around.

#13486

Reap's gotta be working on the best-ever episode of his show - surely?

#13487

I think I've figured out where PZ got his recent strategy.
It was from a video game.

PZ makes his move against Shermer at the 1min 25 mark.

[youtube]LkCNJRfSZBU[/youtube]

PEEZEE MYERRRRRRRRRRRRS!

#13488

Gumby wrote:
bovarchist wrote:
Tribble wrote:
First, the man in question wasn't a pedophile. Pedophiles have sex with children. It's true that two of the girls were 13 and 14 respectively, but as we know, some girls develop early and big and not always as apparent as one would like which is why if you're into the "young girl thing' you should ALWAYS get an ID. For example, Angie Verona: http://www.suprlol.com/angie-varona/

She's 14 in many (or most) of those pictures and none are after 17. I've dated women in their 20s who looked younger than her. So, if you presume she's as old as she's developed, you're going to jail.
For the record, I would have absolutely no trouble in recognizing that girl as majorly underaged.
Yeah, she is obviously underage in those pics. Not even a question.

Also, she was trying to post those pics so that only one or two people could see them, and some goob hacked the account. So now they're all over the internet, photoshopped to look nude, and she can't get away from them ever. If you read about the whole thing, it's completely fucked up. She was getting real threats to the point where she and her family, (intelligently) called the cops about it. Ended up having to be home schooled because everyone in the schools she tried to attend were calling her whore, porn star, etc.

But yeah, I can't see looking at those and thinking "she must be over 18".

Also, really? So because the women in question were 13 and 14, it was okay? Now, I have a SLIGHT understanding for Epstein given he was told the women were 18, (and I mean an infinitesimally small one), but holy shit, why would you even take that risk? you want to walk on the edge of statutory for what? If you have that kind of kink in your personality, that's what FANTASY is for. You find someone clearly of legal age, and have them PRETEND.

You don't go finding hookers who are right on the edge, and then get all shocked they lied. Oh no. Someone engaged in an illegal activity was less than honest. How fucking shocking.

Also, the whole "they were 13 and 14 so it wasn't pedophilia"? if I don't buy that idiocy when Bill Donohue spouts it to defend the Catholic Church, why would I, or anyone, buy it when used to defend someone else?

#13489

Tfoot wrote:
PZ has stated that 'he always has his science career to fall back on'. Im not sure this is true. His blog prominently says that he works at University of Minnesota (Morris). As was noted, one of shermers legal letters was sent to Morris..

He has no science career. And it would be hard to make his career out to have been 'formerly distinguished' as a doctoral candidate/post-doc at UO, Utah or Temple. If you look at his ZFIN publication list and you know the people who are on them as co-authors...

http://zfin.org/action/profile/view/ZDB-PERS-960805-655

Eisen, Kimmel and Westerfield are all big-time players at UO. http://uoneuro.uoregon.edu/ionmain/htdo ... tical.html

Myers was just a guy who made it through (which is an accomplishment, don't get me wrong), got a post-doc, and failed (either through lack of ambition or career choice) to make any significant 'research scientist' career-path progress past the post-doc stage.

So, Myers claims to the contrary, I just can't imagine anyone is going to hire him as a scientist unless it's a pity-fuck-hire. There are way too many young, up-to-date post-docs that will out-compete him.

And he's not stupid. I'm not saying that. But being smart doesn't mean you have what it takes to be a scientist. And, considering his inablity to see through the horseshit of modern, radical feminism... I think we've all seen that by now.

#13490

welch wrote: Also, the whole "they were 13 and 14 so it wasn't pedophilia"? if I don't buy that idiocy when Bill Donohue spouts it to defend the Catholic Church, why would I, or anyone, buy it when used to defend someone else?

Maybe because pedophilia is an actual thing, and 13-14 is way out of range? http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x17/ ... ferent.gif

#13491

Gumby wrote:
Tribble wrote:
Gumby wrote: Yeah, she is obviously underage in those pics. Not even a question.
The face is what tips it off for me. And while most people can, I know not everyone can read faces or judge ages by faces and if you, instead, use sexual characteristics as your markers... Well, confusion can happen and, consequently, so can inappropriate age problems. And that was the point I was trying to short-hand illustrate.
Yep. "But your honor, I was fooled. just look at her tits!" isn't going to play well in court.

"She was possessed of a large full bosom, I got a hard-on, I couldn't help myself" doesn't seem to work well either.

#13492

LonLon wrote:
Roofied_Baboon wrote:I'm betting Myers will NOT comply with the cease and desist. :popcorn:
If he has the courage of his convictions he wont,we'll have to wait and see

No matter what he does, it'll show the 'courage of his convictions:'

A. Fight the charges -- 'Courage to stand up to the rapist trying to silence me.'
B. Cave to the demands -- 'Courage to protect the victim by taking one for 'the team.''

#13493

JackRayner wrote:
welch wrote: Also, the whole "they were 13 and 14 so it wasn't pedophilia"? if I don't buy that idiocy when Bill Donohue spouts it to defend the Catholic Church, why would I, or anyone, buy it when used to defend someone else?
Maybe because pedophilia is an actual thing, and 13-14 is way out of range? http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x17/ ... ferent.gif

More 'lets redefine the word to make it suit our ends' going on...

In legal terms, it is very well defined. In medical terms, it is very well defined.

#13494

DeepInsideYourMind wrote:
JackRayner wrote:
welch wrote: Also, the whole "they were 13 and 14 so it wasn't pedophilia"? if I don't buy that idiocy when Bill Donohue spouts it to defend the Catholic Church, why would I, or anyone, buy it when used to defend someone else?
Maybe because pedophilia is an actual thing, and 13-14 is way out of range? http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x17/ ... ferent.gif
More 'lets redefine the word to make it suit our ends' going on...

In legal terms, it is very well defined. In medical terms, it is very well defined.

Who is that in reference to?

#13495

Gumby wrote:
Tribble wrote:
The face is what tips it off for me. And while most people can, I know not everyone can read faces or judge ages by faces and if you, instead, use sexual characteristics as your markers... Well, confusion can happen and, consequently, so can inappropriate age problems. And that was the point I was trying to short-hand illustrate.
Yep. "But your honor, I was fooled. just look at her tits!" isn't going to play well in court.

lol. I've read that defense in news paper articles so many times... It doesn't work and "she looked 18" has never flown as far as I know.

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welch wrote: Also, she was trying to post those pics so that only one or two people could see them, and some goob hacked the account. So now they're all over the internet, photoshopped to look nude, and she can't get away from them ever. If you read about the whole thing, it's completely fucked up. She was getting real threats to the point where she and her family, (intelligently) called the cops about it. Ended up having to be home schooled because everyone in the schools she tried to attend were calling her whore, porn star, etc.

But yeah, I can't see looking at those and thinking "she must be over 18".

Also, really? So because the women in question were 13 and 14, it was okay? Now, I have a SLIGHT understanding for Epstein given he was told the women were 18, (and I mean an infinitesimally small one), but holy shit, why would you even take that risk? you want to walk on the edge of statutory for what? If you have that kind of kink in your personality, that's what FANTASY is for. You find someone clearly of legal age, and have them PRETEND.

You don't go finding hookers who are right on the edge, and then get all shocked they lied. Oh no. Someone engaged in an illegal activity was less than honest. How fucking shocking.

Also, the whole "they were 13 and 14 so it wasn't pedophilia"? if I don't buy that idiocy when Bill Donohue spouts it to defend the Catholic Church, why would I, or anyone, buy it when used to defend someone else?

The age of consent in my home state of Michigan is 16. This young lady could easily pass for 16 which is perfectly legal. I think the age of consent is 15 in Hawaii. I had sex with a 15 year old myself... and now she has been my wife of 29 years. I guess I was a pedo when we first met but as she aged I was cured. (and yes... if the cops wanted to arrest me and try me as a statutory rapist I would have been found guilty and had to have my name in the sex offender list.)

(so yeah Welch... I am a rapist and a racist. Fuck you twat!)

#13497

JackRayner wrote:
DeepInsideYourMind wrote: More 'lets redefine the word to make it suit our ends' going on...

In legal terms, it is very well defined. In medical terms, it is very well defined.
Who is that in reference to?

Anyone incapable of using Google or Wikipedia... which certainly means Watson, a whole bunch of indignant rabid baboons, and apparently Welch too

#13498

JackRayner wrote:
welch wrote: Also, the whole "they were 13 and 14 so it wasn't pedophilia"? if I don't buy that idiocy when Bill Donohue spouts it to defend the Catholic Church, why would I, or anyone, buy it when used to defend someone else?
Maybe because pedophilia is an actual thing, and 13-14 is way out of range? http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x17/ ... ferent.gif

funny how often that is used as a justification and not an academic explanation. Almost to the point where no one really gives a fuck. The fact the person someone was having sex with is 12 or 13 instead of 11 doesn't make it okay.

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DeepInsideYourMind wrote:
JackRayner wrote:
DeepInsideYourMind wrote: More 'lets redefine the word to make it suit our ends' going on...

In legal terms, it is very well defined. In medical terms, it is very well defined.
Who is that in reference to?
Anyone incapable of using Google or Wikipedia... which certainly means Watson, a whole bunch of indignant rabid baboons, and apparently Welch too

I don't even...Both Watson and Welch (as well as the "indignant rabid baboons") used it in the vernacular sense of "sex with person below the age of consent." Obviously the legal terms differ and I'm guessing no places officially call it "pedophilia" in that sense but they refer to the exact same thing. Similarly, no one invoked the term in a psychiatric sense. Perhaps the problem in comprehension lies with you in this case?

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Tribble wrote:
Roofied_Baboon wrote:I'm betting Myers will NOT comply with the cease and desist. :popcorn:
I'm hoping he fights. Because (win lose or draw) he's gonna have spend a lot of money. And his reputation, in the broader atheist world, should (I hope) take enough of hit that he'll be persona non grata with the management who run most events and he'll wither and die on the vine.

I just hope Shermer doesn't decide to accept a retraction and leave it at that. He has to stomp on this hard because it's out there now and they won't let it go, we won't let it go, nobody will let it go. This has the potential to make Elvevatorgate look like a flash in the pan... it could go on for years across hundreds of forums, blogs and twitter accounts. I really hope Shermer realizes that.

Only Shermer and the other people recently accused have the power to settle the outcome of this. We can point out the idiocy of those making accusations but it won't any more effective than it has been over the last few years. However, we can maximize the damage of the blowback.

It could be coincidence, but I doubt it is that there have been various accusations of sexual misconduct and cover-up/inaction against. I suspect that they feel this was was at the very least fortunate timing, a broadside, a volley of shots at the establishment -- a killer blow. "Take that, that, that and that!".

It's not very skeptical of me but I am going to bet that all these accusation are either groundless or misrepresentations of what actually happened. If there were any real substance to the accusation they would have brought it on.

If I am right I think it is important not to let anyone forget that isn't just Myers/Shermer, but that the Feminists interlopers have fired a whole volley of damp squibs. I don't tend to let anybody forget the epic scale of this ablortion.