If thou gazest long into the Pit, the Pit will also gaze into thee

Posted: **Thu Mar 14, 2013 1:25 pm**

Doing a Steersman (underline mine):

Non sequitur (Latin for "it does not follow"), in formal logic, is an argument in which its conclusion does not follow from its premises.[1] In a non sequitur, the conclusion could be either true or false, but the argument is fallacious because there is a disconnection between the premise and the conclusion. All invalid arguments are special cases of non sequitur. The term has special applicability in law, having a formal legal definition. Many types of known non sequitur argument forms have been classified into many different types of logical fallacies.

Posted: **Thu Mar 14, 2013 1:34 pm**

cunt wrote:
DGS wrote:
cunt wrote:
Yeah, but you know what would be a really shitty way of getting at the oil. Fighting a war for it, holding an auction for the right to exploit the oil-fields, and allowing non-coalition companies to bid.
People have fought wars for lesser things than oil. War stinks!. That's because humans can be pretty shitty sometimes.
Since we're naming fallacies that ones a non-sequitur.

I was going for quippy

Got to go - will try to catch up sometime tomorrow! :D

Posted: **Thu Mar 14, 2013 1:37 pm**

PZ's current post:

Peezus wrote: 10% of you are employed in the restaurant industry?

Thatâ€™s the least awful statistic I found in this article about labor policies at restaurants. My apologies if reading it triggers immense rage in any of you who have or are working as waitstaff.

I promise, I always tip 15-20%. Donâ€™t hurt me.

Whatever, PZ. Yes, restaurant work often sucks and waiters are often working hard for little money (though, assuming decent aggregate tips, there are many comparably shitty jobs).

But 10% of people are working in the "restaurant industry?" 45 seconds of clicking reveals that that the Salon article you linked cites the National Restaurant Association for the number of workers (and their stat is uncited and does not specify what this comprises), while citing the Bureau of Labor Statistics for the pay numbers. According to the BLS, as of 2012, of ~142M employed people in the US, around ~8M worked in "food preparation and serving related" occupations (which presumably includes innumerable non table-waiting tip-supplemented jobs). So - NO - 10% of us are not employed in the restaurant industry, if you mean people who actually work in restaurants. Maybe 5.5% tops, certainly lower if you take a more detailed look at the numbers and significantly lower if you're talking waiters who get paid below-minimum-wage plus tips.

At least you're only spouting stats that are around 100% wrong, instead of Amanda Marcotte's preferred 1000%. Nevertheless, fuck you once again for being just another average internet-surfer who prefers to spread misinformation in order to trigger rage in your readers rather than figuring out what's true.

http://www.bls.gov/cps/cpsaat09.htm

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... -industry/
http://www.freezepage.com/1363295904BQTDWJXFHM

Posted: **Thu Mar 14, 2013 1:37 pm**

Ironic nothing....

Don't think of a black cat!

Posted: **Thu Mar 14, 2013 1:48 pm**

waiting tables is a cake walk compared to tarring roofs in the summer or crawling through sewer systems

Posted: **Thu Mar 14, 2013 1:49 pm**

Two pence a bucket! Well stamped down!

Posted: **Thu Mar 14, 2013 1:52 pm**

Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:I don't really want to engage in that Iraq War thingy. All I know is Hitchens defended his position by trying to shed a light on the Kurd situation there. And in this regard, I agree with his stance. No more, no less.

France didn't join the coalition, which earned us a good deal of hate from American conservatives (freedom fries and all that shit). The reasons underlying this decision are multiple, from Chirac's affinities with Hussein's regime, to fears of riots by the quite large Frenco-Arab population.

So, I would say, none of my business...

Canadians resisted joining "the coalition of the willing" and the FOX news and Limbaugh types went apeshit calling for economic punishment and such. Whether it was coincidental or not it seemed that USian tourism to my area dropped off big time.
I think Merkins in general became more insular around that time in general; the French weren't the only target.

Posted: **Thu Mar 14, 2013 1:55 pm**

John Greg wrote:DGS said (http://www.slymepit.com/phpbb/viewtopic ... 582#p75582):

Humans go to war over resources. Oil is the resource by which we enjoy our quality of life and stability. I never understand when people don't think our quality of life, our civilization, isn't worth fighting for. But I'd hazard a guess it's probably the same people now having hissy fits about austerity cuts, protesting that they unacceptably affect our civilization and quality of life.
:shock:

I must say, that is one of the most spellbinding, mind-numbingly ignorant, as in lack of world awareness, social awareness, historical awareness, et al, statements I have ever seen posted on the pit.

Amazing.

Nonsense. We went to war in Iraq over exactly one thing, and it wasn't SAVING PEOPLE FROM TEH SADDAM.

Posted: **Thu Mar 14, 2013 1:59 pm**

Saddam seemed like a nice guy, well, according to this faithful documentary:

[youtube]tVKzigyz-bI[/youtube]

Posted: **Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:01 pm**

Jack wrote:
John Brown wrote:
John Greg wrote:DGS said (http://www.slymepit.com/phpbb/viewtopic ... 582#p75582):

Humans go to war over resources. Oil is the resource by which we enjoy our quality of life and stability. I never understand when people don't think our quality of life, our civilization, isn't worth fighting for. But I'd hazard a guess it's probably the same people now having hissy fits about austerity cuts, protesting that they unacceptably affect our civilization and quality of life.
:shock:

I must say, that is one of the most spellbinding, mind-numbingly ignorant, as in lack of world awareness, social awareness, historical awareness, et al, statements I have ever seen posted on the pit.

Amazing.
I'm going to give her/him the benefit of the doubt and just assume that it was poorly stated until further clarification is provided. As stated, it takes a fair amount of unpacking to be coherent, though I can catch a glimmer of what she/he was driving at.

As far as Hitch was concerned, his defense of the war in Iraq (in particular) had to do with the brutal oppression of the Kurds and his opposition to their Fascist regime. I don't recall him stating anything about oil other than him saying that an oil pipeline in Afghanistan would be a very big step in the right direction for that country.
Oil is one of the reasons the wars occurred. Or more importantly, attempts to maintain stability. The same people that are anti-war as they see them as pure oil wars are the same people happy to exploit the situation by taking advantage of that stability, as reflected in oil and commodity prices. They will happily drive their SUV's to the nearest anti-war protest or fly to conferences in Ireland.

There is double standards here. The same people who are Anti-war for oil reasons should not be against cuts due to oil shortages.

Of course that is very simplistic.

again, if we were going to war because of poor oppressed poor people, we'd be in most of Africa, REALLY in South America and wondering what to do with the radioactive wasteland that was North Korea.

We, (the US), don't give a squirt of piss about poor oppressed brown, yellow, or black people. We invaded afghanistan because of Bin Laden, and Iraq because of oil. The Kurds were naught but a minor PR bullet point in all that designed to sucker the people who think there's some kind of fucking idealism at work here. There isn't. Why did we give a fuck about Kuwait? Oil, and more oil.

Seriously, we let Cuba oppress the shit out of their people NINETY MILES AWAY. But there is nothing there in terms of resources we care about so fuck Cuba and the Cubans.

It's about resources.

Now, you start waxing proper WASPs and Catholics, (not the jews, fuck the jews), and we'll get uppity.

But fucking muslims, buddhists and africans? BAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA. Folks, we let them slaughter each other all the damned time and at most we send then canned food we don't want.

Let us stop being infantile about war, it causes no end of problems.

Posted: **Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:02 pm**

Wonderist wrote:
DGS wrote:
John Brown wrote:
John Greg wrote:DGS said (http://www.slymepit.com/phpbb/viewtopic ... 582#p75582):

Humans go to war over resources. Oil is the resource by which we enjoy our quality of life and stability. I never understand when people don't think our quality of life, our civilization, isn't worth fighting for. But I'd hazard a guess it's probably the same people now having hissy fits about austerity cuts, protesting that they unacceptably affect our civilization and quality of life.
:shock:

I must say, that is one of the most spellbinding, mind-numbingly ignorant, as in lack of world awareness, social awareness, historical awareness, et al, statements I have ever seen posted on the pit.

Amazing.
I'm going to give her/him the benefit of the doubt and just assume that it was poorly stated until further clarification is provided. As stated, it takes a fair amount of unpacking to be coherent, though I can catch a glimmer of what she/he was driving at.

As far as Hitch was concerned, his defense of the war in Iraq (in particular) had to do with the brutal oppression of the Kurds and his opposition to their Fascist regime. I don't recall him stating anything about oil other than him saying that an oil pipeline in Afghanistan would be a very big step in the right direction for that country.
I can't remember what Hitchens said about the people who were carrying the 'no war for oil' placards. There are many reasons for going to war. Many of which we won't be aware of. Many moral reasons. Many practical ones. Oil being one of them. The West depends on oil - developing worlds depend on oil. That's maybe not how some people think it ought to be, but that's the way it is (after Hume)
People also depend on land to support their way of life. Who could blame some country for going to war just to get a little extra 'living room', eh?

ask the indians how silly it is.

Posted: **Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:02 pm**

DGS wrote:
AbsurdWalls wrote:
[youtube]XLKQGwVkczg[/youtube]

I find this debate tricky. I'm still not sure which side I come down on (though as a person I infinitely prefer Hitchens to Galloway). Fortunately the question of whether it was right to go to war in Iraq is no longer a useful one to answer.
Humans go to war over resources. Oil is the resource by which we enjoy our quality of life and stability. I never understand when people don't think our quality of life, our civilization, isn't worth fighting for. But I'd hazard a guess it's probably the same people now having hissy fits about austerity cuts, protesting that they unacceptably affect our civilization and quality of life.

Civilization and the legacy of the enlightenment are absolutely worth defending. Quality of life and "our way of life" are both far too nebulous concepts for me to automatically sign on to defend.
Anyone who claims there was a single motivation for the advocates of the invasion of Iraq is being, at best, naive. Cheney's motivation can, I think, reasonably be proved to have been oil. Hitchens' support was consistent with his principled opposition to all forms of totalitarianism (likely seasoned with his growing disgust with the SJW left).
The trouble with going to war for oil is that, globally, the easily and cheaply retrieved supply is running out. Fighting over what's left is equivalent to brawling over access to the upper decks of the Titanic as opposed to building a life raft.
For what has been spent on the Iraq fiasco the US could probably have re-tooled its entire energy infra-structure but the right people didn't stand to make any money off that, so now we're all fucked.
It seems to me that the people of Iraq (at least the ones who didn't get killed) are a fair bit better off post-Saddam but I'm not so sure they, overall, agree and their opinion is a great deal more salient on the matter than is mine.

Posted: **Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:05 pm**

debaser71 wrote:Ironic nothing....

Don't think of a black cat!

If you're referring to the study I linked, it's not as simple as that- they tested different kind of messages, and only the "controlling" ones increased prejudice.

Posted: **Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:05 pm**

decius said:

waiting tables is a cake walk compared to tarring roofs in the summer or crawling through sewer systems

Yes, t'is is probably true. But around where I live, the former pays about 50%, or less, what the latter does (tips not included, as they are not part of the wage; they are an often non-forthcoming gratuity), and, I think, is less frequently union-covered, than is the latter.

Posted: **Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:10 pm**

welch said (http://www.slymepit.com/phpbb/viewtopic ... 636#p75636):

.... We went to war in Iraq over exactly one thing, and it wasn't SAVING PEOPLE FROM TEH SADDAM.

Yes, I know. Please see my unpacking: http://www.slymepit.com/phpbb/viewtopic ... 615#p75615

Posted: **Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:11 pm**

John Greg wrote:decius said:

waiting tables is a cake walk compared to tarring roofs in the summer or crawling through sewer systems
Yes, t'is is probably true. But around where I live, the former pays about 50%, or less, what the latter does (tips not included, as they are not part of the wage; they are an often non-forthcoming gratuity), and, I think, is less frequently union-covered, than is the latter.

You meant debaser? (Sorry, I've got a bit of an issue with misapropriation of quotes)

Posted: **Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:15 pm**

Looks like the Baboons have a new supporter - Louise Mensch - the former Tory MP. Meanwhile, Rufus Hound is the new Witch of the Week.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home ... 1363291367

PS - It must be a real shock to see a comedian use swear words!!!

Posted: **Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:17 pm**

Gefan wrote:
"For what has been spent on the Iraq fiasco the US could probably have re-tooled its entire energy infra-structure but the right people didn't stand to make any money off that, so now we're all fucked."

I think an accurate autopsy of the matter.^

Posted: **Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:22 pm**

George Galloway is a complete arsehole.

He "pretends" to be a supporter of human rights, esp. women's rights and gay rights, but all that goes out of the window when it comes to defending religious privilege - especially Islamic religious privilege. He goes very quiet when the subject turns to the treatment of gay people in one of his anti-West utopian fanboy regimes, such as Iran. He often attacks opponents who write for Murdoch newspapers, but has his own programme on Press TV!

He is a typical Far Left egomaniac who will support anything as long as it expresses a dislike of Israel, America, "The West", or Capitalism. Also, there is good evidence to suggest he has converted to Islam, but he seems too cowardly to admit it in public. I could respect his privacy on his religious views, however, when he was elected an MP recently, he did all the "Allah knows if you're a Muslim" nonsense in a bid to appeal to base religious emotions. Therefore, his religious views should be scrutinised.

Posted: **Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:23 pm**

John Greg wrote:OK, I'll unpack.

Humans go to war over resources.
I agree, this is often, though certainly not solely and always the cause of war. There are also ideological, religious, political, territorial, and other critical issues involved that always play some part or other in war. So, that statement is too simplistic.

Oil is the resource by which we enjoy our quality of life and stability.
Oil is one of the means, and probably the primary one, by which we maintain, what is in the Western world, an undeniabley privileged (yes, I used the dreaded word, but I think in an appropriate and accurate context) and profoundly wasteful, selfsh lifestyle. North America alone uses more resources on an annual basis to maintain its leisure lifestyle than more than the rest of the world combined. And most of that goes to pleasure and profit, not need. And "stability"? What fucking stability? Blinders much?

I never understand when people don't think our quality of life, our civilization, isn't worth fighting for.
I read that as, for example:

Advocate: So, you think it's OK that 100,000, primarily innocent, civilians were killed in Iraq so that you can keep your big screen TV, have your bevvy of choice on demand, and ensure pizza delivery every Friday night?

Given how the overwhelming majority were killed by choice, by other Iraqis, you can take your bigotry of low expectations and get tae fuck.

Or is your stupid ~~iCunt~~iCult computer one that doesn't need oil to run?

Posted: **Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:25 pm**

CommanderTuvok wrote:He is a typical Far Left egomaniac who will support anything as long as it expresses a dislike of Israel, America, "The West", or Capitalism. Also, there is good evidence to suggest he has converted to Islam, but he seems too cowardly to admit it in public. I could respect his privacy on his religious views, however, when he was elected an MP recently, he did all the "Allah knows if you're a Muslim" nonsense in a bid to appeal to base religious emotions. Therefore, his religious views should be scrutinised.

He'd fit right in at A+ and FreeFromThoughtBlogs then.

Posted: **Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:32 pm**

Gefan wrote:It seems to me that the people of Iraq (at least the ones who didn't get killed) are a fair bit better off post-Saddam but I'm not so sure they, overall, agree and their opinion is a great deal more salient on the matter than is mine.

I believe the Kurds may agree. The Sunni and Shia not to much. Most certainly not the Sunni anyway. The whole country is still a huge mess with structual issues that are not going to be resolved any time soon.

Do not say anything about democracy either. The culture based on my experience does not understand it the way we do and is pretty much impervious to changing that viewpoint in the near future. What is pretty much a given is a revitalized theocracy determined to establish itself as the final authority.

Posted: **Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:32 pm**

John Greg wrote:decius said:

waiting tables is a cake walk compared to tarring roofs in the summer or crawling through sewer systems
Yes, t'is is probably true. But around where I live, the former pays about 50%, or less, what the latter does (tips not included, as they are not part of the wage; they are an often non-forthcoming gratuity), and, I think, is less frequently union-covered, than is the latter.

You, sir, are a misattributionist.

Posted: **Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:35 pm**

debaser71 wrote:waiting tables is a cake walk compared to tarring roofs in the summer or crawling through sewer systems

You can't really compare the two that easily. yea tarring and crawling through pipe is tough work, but you don't usually (unless your boss is a serous dick) have people constantly treating you like you are their pet or less than human. It totally depends on your personality. I've seen waitstaff who just take the worst abuse and smile and I've seen guys who seemed (or thought they were)tough whine all fucking day because they have to wear gloves and then cause their blisters hurt. I guess I could have just said subjective ..oh well, too late now

Posted: **Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:38 pm**

We, (the US), don't give a squirt of piss about poor oppressed brown, yellow, or black people. We invaded afghanistan because of Bin Laden, and Iraq because of oil. The Kurds were naught but a minor PR bullet point in all that designed to sucker the people who think there's some kind of fucking idealism at work here. There isn't. Why did we give a fuck about Kuwait? Oil, and more oil.

Seriously, we let Cuba oppress the shit out of their people NINETY MILES AWAY. But there is nothing there in terms of resources we care about so fuck Cuba and the Cubans.

It's about resources.

Right, totally not a result of neo-liberalist interventionist policy. How many barrels of crude have been exported from Kosovo so far?

Posted: **Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:39 pm**

Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:Some fan had this tatoo made:

http://sphotos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-a ... 9518_n.jpg

I won't comment about the artistic quality (ok, I find it quite tasteless), but it's still cool to see somebody commit my band to their body. Maybe not the best of ideas, since my next album may be crappy, but cool anyway.

I don't care what other people have been saying about tattoos, I think it's really sweet that your mum has one.

Posted: **Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:44 pm**

Where I live the guys who tar roofs are illegal (for a lack of a better term) immigrants who make very little money. I'm not talking about the contractor. I'm talking about who the contractor picks up that day for a days worth of labor. Also where I live the town often contracts out utility style work. I don't know specifically about sewer workers but I was trying to give an example of a pretty gross working environment. The working union man though, is sort of not around any more. This is a big local issue where I live.

Anyway the discussion about Iraq and oil is more interesting.

IMO Iraq is strategically located and oil matters. But the way some liberals talk about Hitchens makes me embarrassed to call myself a liberal. Liberals definitively have a huge "with us or against us" bend. It's ugly and shameful.

Posted: **Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:44 pm**

Lsuoma wrote:
Michael K Gray wrote:Quite.
She obtained her BA @ Harvard (Laden's alma mater) in 1977, and her PhD in 1884.
What was her Major - Tardis Engineering?

reTardis Studies

Posted: **Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:47 pm**

DGS wrote:I was going for quippy

Got to go - will try to catch up sometime tomorrow! :D

Oooh, nice drive-by. Cat amongst pigeons etc.

Posted: **Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:53 pm**

cunt wrote:Actually I think steersman is the type of person who knows that you can have a pure non-sequitur and that its a logical fallacy in its own right. Wars have been fought for much less than oil throughout history is an undeniably true statement but it does not follow that the iraq war was fought for oil.

Hadnâ€™t thought to generalize it to that extent, although that seems a valid one. I had only thought that even though the Iraqi War gave some indications of pecuniary motives â€“ even if after the fact â€“ they didnâ€™t seem to be the initial ones ....

Posted: **Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:55 pm**

JayTeeAitch wrote:
Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:Some fan had this tatoo made:

http://sphotos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-a ... 9518_n.jpg

I won't comment about the artistic quality (ok, I find it quite tasteless), but it's still cool to see somebody commit my band to their body. Maybe not the best of ideas, since my next album may be crappy, but cool anyway.
I don't care what other people have been saying about tattoos, I think it's really sweet that your mum has one.

:lol:
"'at's a ma boy ...."

Posted: **Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:58 pm**

Steersman wrote:
JayTeeAitch wrote:
Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:Some fan had this tatoo made:

http://sphotos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-a ... 9518_n.jpg

I won't comment about the artistic quality (ok, I find it quite tasteless), but it's still cool to see somebody commit my band to their body. Maybe not the best of ideas, since my next album may be crappy, but cool anyway.
I don't care what other people have been saying about tattoos, I think it's really sweet that your mum has one.
:lol:
"'at's a ma boy ...."

If only. I had to block her from my FB page for a while, as she was commenting on anything I posted regarding Fairyland, with such highlights as "I'm proud of you, my little boy! Love, mom". It can get a bit embarassing, you know?

Posted: **Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:59 pm**

welch wrote:
Let us stop being infantile about war, it causes no end of problems.

I disagree. Pretexts are just that, but it doesn't mean that problems don't get solved along the way - by design or otherwise.

Take WWI, an entirely pointless conflict, sparked by pretestuous reasons that escalated beyond every participant's intentions and control. Yet, in one shot, it dissolved the German Reich, the Austro-Hungarian Empire, the Ottoman Empire and, arguably was ultimately responsible for the end of Czarism in Russia.

Did an age of peace and prosperity ensue? Most definitely not, but those cancers were removed once and for all from the geopolitical map and solidified the foundations of future European democracies.

Posted: **Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:59 pm**

JayTeeAitch wrote:
Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:Some fan had this tatoo made:

[img]http://sphotos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-a ... 9518_n.jpg

I won't comment about the artistic quality (ok, I find it quite tasteless), but it's still cool to see somebody commit my band to their body. Maybe not the best of ideas, since my next album may be crappy, but cool anyway.
I don't care what other people have been saying about tattoos, I think it's really sweet that your mum has one.

:dance: :lol:

Posted: **Thu Mar 14, 2013 3:01 pm**

cunt wrote:
We, (the US), don't give a squirt of piss about poor oppressed brown, yellow, or black people. We invaded afghanistan because of Bin Laden, and Iraq because of oil. The Kurds were naught but a minor PR bullet point in all that designed to sucker the people who think there's some kind of fucking idealism at work here. There isn't. Why did we give a fuck about Kuwait? Oil, and more oil.

Seriously, we let Cuba oppress the shit out of their people NINETY MILES AWAY. But there is nothing there in terms of resources we care about so fuck Cuba and the Cubans.

It's about resources.
Right, totally not a result of neo-liberalist interventionist policy. How many barrels of crude have been exported from Kosovo so far?

Dunno.

Probably better to ask about the northern Kosovoâ€™s mines which apparently are rich in lead, zinc, cadmium, gold and silver.

I could be wrong though.

Posted: **Thu Mar 14, 2013 3:02 pm**

1) Israel/Palestine is a land-stealing bully.

2) Steersman is longwinded/thorough.

3) Welch is a cunt/top guy.

4) Something about pita bread, I can't remember exactly what but it was fun.

5) Catholics/Protestants should get out of Northern Ireland.

6) We don't/need an Edit Post function.

Hold on a second...

:popcorn:

...okay, go for it.

Posted: **Thu Mar 14, 2013 3:04 pm**

lol, we went to war in Kosovo so we could lower the price of lead, zinc, cadmium, gold and silver. We, the west, would just love it if gold was worth slightly less.

Preventing a genocide was accidental.

Posted: **Thu Mar 14, 2013 3:08 pm**

Git said:

Given how the overwhelming majority were killed by choice, by other Iraqis, you can take your bigotry of low expectations and get tae fuck.

Or is your stupid iCuntiCult computer one that doesn't need oil to run?

Um, huh? Y U on drugs? Sheesh. What is it this time? The Palestinians were responsible for the Gulf war? The Nazis? You know, Git, I sometimes think you would be much more at home over at one of the FfTB blogs.

decius said:

You, sir, are a misattributionist.

Yes, yes, I am. Foul me. I did indeed mean debaser71. My error.

Posted: **Thu Mar 14, 2013 3:14 pm**

ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:1) Israel/Palestine is a land-stealing bully.

2) Steersman is longwinded/thorough.

3) Welch is a cunt/top guy.

4) Something about pita bread, I can't remember exactly what but it was fun.

5) Catholics/Protestants should get out of Northern Ireland.

6) We don't/need an Edit Post function.

Hold on a second...

:popcorn:

...okay, go for it.

:lol:
One manâ€™s terrorist is another manâ€™s freedom fighter .... context? How does it work? ....

Posted: **Thu Mar 14, 2013 3:15 pm**

ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:1) Israel/Palestine is a land-stealing bully.

2) Steersman is longwinded/thorough.

3) Welch is a cunt/top guy.

4) Something about pita bread, I can't remember exactly what but it was fun.

5) Catholics/Protestants should get out of Northern Ireland.

6) We don't/need an Edit Post function.

Hold on a second...

:popcorn:

...okay, go for it.

7) We shouldn't discuss anything on the slymepit other than the fact that PZ is a arsehole and Watson is a total bitch.

Posted: **Thu Mar 14, 2013 3:19 pm**

John Greg wrote: Um, huh? Y U on drugs? Sheesh. What is it this time? The Palestinians were responsible for the Gulf war? The Nazis? You know, Git, I sometimes think you would be much more at home over at one of the FfTB blogs.

How very A+Theist of you.

Posted: **Thu Mar 14, 2013 3:20 pm**

cunt wrote:lol, we went to war in Kosovo so we could lower the price of lead, zinc, cadmium, gold and silver. We, the west, would just love it if gold was worth slightly less.

Preventing a genocide was accidental.

The genocide was a good cover, but I doubt that it was to rescue some Muslims.

I did not mention the 17 billion tons of coal reserves did I? Or the view in certain circles about controlling certain areas around the Caspian Sea in order to secure the route for an oil pipeline?

YMMV

Posted: **Thu Mar 14, 2013 3:22 pm**

Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:
Steersman wrote:
JayTeeAitch wrote:
Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:Some fan had this tatoo made:

http://sphotos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-a ... 9518_n.jpg

I won't comment about the artistic quality (ok, I find it quite tasteless), but it's still cool to see somebody commit my band to their body. Maybe not the best of ideas, since my next album may be crappy, but cool anyway.
I don't care what other people have been saying about tattoos, I think it's really sweet that your mum has one.
:lol:
"'at's a ma boy ...."
If only. I had to block her from my FB page for a while, as she was commenting on anything I posted regarding Fairyland, with such highlights as "I'm proud of you, my little boy! Love, mom". It can get a bit embarassing, you know?

Lucky you. Seriously ....
[youtube]91-sIXPX7ZA[/youtube]

Posted: **Thu Mar 14, 2013 3:22 pm**

Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:
Steersman wrote:
JayTeeAitch wrote:
Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:Some fan had this tatoo made:

http://sphotos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-a ... 9518_n.jpg

I won't comment about the artistic quality (ok, I find it quite tasteless), but it's still cool to see somebody commit my band to their body. Maybe not the best of ideas, since my next album may be crappy, but cool anyway.
I don't care what other people have been saying about tattoos, I think it's really sweet that your mum has one.
:lol:
"'at's a ma boy ...."
If only. I had to block her from my FB page for a while, as she was commenting on anything I posted regarding Fairyland, with such highlights as "I'm proud of you, my little boy! Love, mom". It can get a bit embarassing, you know?

Ahahahaha!

Posted: **Thu Mar 14, 2013 3:24 pm**

Yeah, putting "YMMV" after every-fucking-thing you say doesn't work as a get out clause.

Posted: **Thu Mar 14, 2013 3:28 pm**

cunt wrote:Yeah, putting "YMMV" after every-fucking-thing you say doesn't work as a get out clause.

YMMV...

Posted: **Thu Mar 14, 2013 3:31 pm**

debaser71 wrote: Liberals definitively have a huge "with us or against us" bend. It's ugly and shameful.

And there's quite a few of them here, as this thread has recently demonstrated.

Posted: **Thu Mar 14, 2013 3:32 pm**

Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:
cunt wrote:Yeah, putting "YMMV" after every-fucking-thing you say doesn't work as a get out clause.
YMMV...

Heaven help me; bloody bunch of contrarians that I've fallen in with ...

Posted: **Thu Mar 14, 2013 3:35 pm**

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Posted: **Thu Mar 14, 2013 3:35 pm**

Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:
cunt wrote:Yeah, putting "YMMV" after every-fucking-thing you say doesn't work as a get out clause.
YMMV...

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Posted: **Thu Mar 14, 2013 3:38 pm**

cunt wrote:
We, (the US), don't give a squirt of piss about poor oppressed brown, yellow, or black people. We invaded afghanistan because of Bin Laden, and Iraq because of oil. The Kurds were naught but a minor PR bullet point in all that designed to sucker the people who think there's some kind of fucking idealism at work here. There isn't. Why did we give a fuck about Kuwait? Oil, and more oil.

Seriously, we let Cuba oppress the shit out of their people NINETY MILES AWAY. But there is nothing there in terms of resources we care about so fuck Cuba and the Cubans.

It's about resources.
Right, totally not a result of neo-liberalist interventionist policy. How many barrels of crude have been exported from Kosovo so far?

Was that supposed to rebut the quote? Because I thought Kosovo was full of white people. I think the US only got in to the extent they did because the others in NATO did anyway. I know they mostly rule nato, but ocassionally you have to go along, especially when you don't have to commit ground troops.

Posted: **Thu Mar 14, 2013 3:41 pm**

Steersman wrote:
Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:
cunt wrote:Yeah, putting "YMMV" after every-fucking-thing you say doesn't work as a get out clause.
YMMV...
Heaven help me; bloody bunch of contrarians that I've fallen in with ...

What's sauce for the goose and all that.

Posted: **Thu Mar 14, 2013 3:41 pm**

Bored now. Can Peezus or Queen Bee not do something stupid so the Appeasers and the Tattoo-haters can shut the fuck up?

Posted: **Thu Mar 14, 2013 3:42 pm**

JAB wrote:
cunt wrote:
We, (the US), don't give a squirt of piss about poor oppressed brown, yellow, or black people. We invaded afghanistan because of Bin Laden, and Iraq because of oil. The Kurds were naught but a minor PR bullet point in all that designed to sucker the people who think there's some kind of fucking idealism at work here. There isn't. Why did we give a fuck about Kuwait? Oil, and more oil.

Seriously, we let Cuba oppress the shit out of their people NINETY MILES AWAY. But there is nothing there in terms of resources we care about so fuck Cuba and the Cubans.

It's about resources.
Right, totally not a result of neo-liberalist interventionist policy. How many barrels of crude have been exported from Kosovo so far?
Was that supposed to rebut the quote? Because I thought Kosovo was full of white people. I think the US only got in to the extent they did because the others in NATO did anyway. I know they mostly rule nato, but ocassionally you have to go along, especially when you don't have to commit ground troops.

It rebuts the quote, dipshit, because it shows an example of a war without a resource goal.

Posted: **Thu Mar 14, 2013 3:45 pm**

Obviously I have no problem with women in atheism... but I gotta plead guilty here. I am interested in making this movement as hostile as possible to Melissa McEwan.

Posted: **Thu Mar 14, 2013 3:47 pm**

Git wrote:Bored now. Can Peezus or Queen Bee not do something stupid so the Appeasers and the Tattoo-haters can shut the fuck up?

I was just about to post:

You all do realise this is part of their cunning plan? They say nothing really stupid for an hour and we will start in fighting. Of course it involves **gasp** them not typing anything for a whole 60 minutes but its worth it for the cause. No sacrifice is too great in the pursuit of social justice!!!!!!

Posted: **Thu Mar 14, 2013 3:50 pm**

Jack wrote:
Steersman wrote:
Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:
cunt wrote:Yeah, putting "YMMV" after every-fucking-thing you say doesn't work as a get out clause.
YMMV...
Heaven help me; bloody bunch of contrarians that I've fallen in with ...
What's sauce for the goose and all that.

:) Touche! Or tu quoque as the case may be ....

Posted: **Thu Mar 14, 2013 3:52 pm**

cunt wrote:
JAB wrote:
cunt wrote:
We, (the US), don't give a squirt of piss about poor oppressed brown, yellow, or black people. We invaded afghanistan because of Bin Laden, and Iraq because of oil. The Kurds were naught but a minor PR bullet point in all that designed to sucker the people who think there's some kind of fucking idealism at work here. There isn't. Why did we give a fuck about Kuwait? Oil, and more oil.

Seriously, we let Cuba oppress the shit out of their people NINETY MILES AWAY. But there is nothing there in terms of resources we care about so fuck Cuba and the Cubans.

It's about resources.
Right, totally not a result of neo-liberalist interventionist policy. How many barrels of crude have been exported from Kosovo so far?
Was that supposed to rebut the quote? Because I thought Kosovo was full of white people. I think the US only got in to the extent they did because the others in NATO did anyway. I know they mostly rule nato, but ocassionally you have to go along, especially when you don't have to commit ground troops.
It rebuts the quote, dipshit, because it shows an example of a war without a resource goal.

But the quote, asshole, only says the US needs a resource interest to fight for nonwhites, because it doesn't care about oppressed nonwhites. The implication, I would have thought from that quote, was that the US would care about oppressed white people, like one might find in Kosovo.

Posted: **Thu Mar 14, 2013 3:53 pm**

Aren't arguments fun? I bet they are, else we wouldn't be here. Damn, I hope this place never changes!

Posted: **Thu Mar 14, 2013 3:54 pm**

Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:Aren't arguments fun? I bet they are, else we wouldn't be here. Damn, I hope this place never changes!

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