If thou gazest long into the Pit, the Pit will also gaze into thee

rocko2466 wrote:http://www.4thwavefeminism.blogspot.com.au

I'm just going to leave my rubbish here.

First thing I saw was an article about Quvenzhané Wallis (no idea who she is) apparently being called a cunt on a twitter feed by the Onion (did not verify the tweet).

Ummmm... the Onion is a US based publication right? We know Americans go crazy over the word cunt right?

So obvious troll is obvious? Otherwise I do not fathom the purpose of the tweet.

https://twitter.com/rebeccawatson/statu ... 6681465857
http://i.imgur.com/62f9BEn.png

So, are SJWs ALLOWED to be friends with the person who started Fark.com?
I would think he would be high up on their ever expanding shit list.

ButterCup wrote:https://twitter.com/rebeccawatson/statu ... 6681465857
[imj]http://i.imgur.com/62f9BEn.png[/imj]

So, are SJWs ALLOWED to be friends with the person who started Fark.com?
I would think he would be high up on their ever expanding shit list.

Twatson ended up in a bar and missed what she had previously planned to do? Fuck me sideways!

JAB wrote:

Zenspace wrote:

Apples wrote:Rereading the Ophie/Josh/et al tweets to Nugent and recalling the threads ... it occurs to me that what they were complaining about, and what Ophie was claiming was "destroying her," was really simply the fact that he was allowing a dialogue including the Pit Crew without moderation or banning. If you read those tweets without reading the threads, you'd think people were spewing invective at Ophie and calling her a cunt, etc. (and "lying about her" -- I believe she tweeted that), but Ophie was in fact rarely mentioned at all, if I recall correctly.

They are simply furious that, having told us to stay the fuck away from their blogs and banning many of us, anyone with a public profile would allow the unbelievable truth to be revealed -- that people here have relevant points to make and citations to back them up, and are generally thoughtful, reasonable, and worst of all, numerous.

Exactly. Further, as usual, when outside their controlled environment, their arguments and claims are generally found to be wanting. Nugent clearly got much, much more than he had bargained for, likely based on the propaganda his FtB friends have been feeding him. It really was a good show. :clap:

Or on a more basic level... we have transgressed and therefore must be shunned. By his failure to shun us he has hurt the powers that be and has upset all that follow those powers. What are they supposed to think of him now? They are so confused and it's all his fault!

I think that I really, truly feel sorry for Nugent now. It would have been very, very easy for him to toe the party line and brushed us off. He hasn't, and that actually makes me begin to suspect that his motivation might be sincere (however condescending). I'd still bet money that he throws us under the bus in the end; however, he didn't do it as a knee jerk reaction to his friends complaints, so I have some degree of hope.

In other news,

Eucliwood has a blog now:
http://slymepitintrom.blogspot.ca/

I dunno why but right now I am thinking of this line from Ozymandias:

Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!

- Shelley

What hath the Slymepit done now? What forces hath been unleashed?

AndrewV69 wrote:In other news,

Eucliwood has a blog now:
http://slymepitintrom.blogspot.ca/

I dunno why but right now I am thinking of this line from Ozymandias:

Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!

- Shelley

What hath the Slymepit done now? What forces hath been unleashed?

Whaaa? Why is half of it covered up? Why do white boxes stretch to infinity? WHAT IS GOING ON!?!

windy wrote:

JAB wrote: Or on a more basic level... we have transgressed and therefore must be shunned. By his failure to shun us he has hurt the powers that be and has upset all that follow those powers. What are they supposed to think of him now? They are so confused and it's all his fault!

Sounds like you need to open your eyes!!!

I think there is a lot of hope for Derek, he seem honest and skeptical. I don't think he was properly indoctrinated before being rushed into service. :lol:

Reap and I discussed whether Michael Nugent's first post was a set up for the Pit, specifically by targeting Justin who is always keen to engage, and is less suspicious that some.

I wondered whether there was any discussion about this beforehand with Baboollies of any stripe.

My gut (and it's a big one - I likes me beer) suggests to me now that it WAS a set up, but that Nugent was also set up as someone who could be jettisoned if things went wrong. I would not be at all surprised if this was sold to him as a way to engage and try and clear the air from a neutral position, but which acted as a cut-out for people who hoped for more destructive engagement from Pitters - destructive both FROM and TO Pitters - but who can now feign innocence.

I might be wrong and paranoid - more than willing to admit that, but this whole thing smells worse than Skepchick snatch.

Maximus wrote:

windy wrote:

JAB wrote: Or on a more basic level... we have transgressed and therefore must be shunned. By his failure to shun us he has hurt the powers that be and has upset all that follow those powers. What are they supposed to think of him now? They are so confused and it's all his fault!

Sounds like you need to open your eyes!!!

I think there is a lot of hope for Derek, he seem honest and skeptical. I don't think he was properly indoctrinated before being rushed into service. :lol:

I'd like to see him dip his toe into the slyme (under a new nym of course). It's deep and warm.... we all float here....

AndrewV69 wrote:In other news,

Eucliwood has a blog now:
http://slymepitintrom.blogspot.ca/

I dunno why but right now I am thinking of this line from Ozymandias:

Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!

- Shelley

What hath the Slymepit done now? What forces hath been unleashed?

Jesus Tittyfucking Christ, that girl needs some help. I'm glad she doesn't know my address (1080 W. Addison, Chicago, IL).

katamari Damassi wrote:

lonesagi wrote:

Mzone wrote:I just watched this video and it floored me that it advocates something that many would think is crazy, but once he shows it to you, makes so much sense it hurts. Take the twenty minutes to watch this TED talk (if you haven't done so already), you will be glad you did.

vpTHi7O66p

Mzone

This is a very interesting TED Talk. The before and after photos are simply incredible.

Militant vegetarians are going to hate this guy. Poorly understood environmentalism is often one of their evangelizing methods.

It's an interesting video for sure, thanks for posting it. As for the environmentalists, I'm not to sure about their reaction, the main thing that cause many to stop eating meat is after all the factory meat farms and the associated animal-rights issues, and grazing animals living "free" is kinda the opposite of that. I'm actually fairly sure that I saw some vegetarian environmentalist discuss a meat industry based on megaherds grazing the US buffalo style instead of the current meat factories last year or something. Desertification wasn't even on the agenda in that discussion, but rather animal rights and humane treatment etc. Unfortunately, my google-fu is weak and I can't find it (it's 5:30 am here, and I'm tired as hell but unable to sleep).

Environmentalists are very often anti-science and rely on appeals to emotion and "everyone knows this is true", but I don't think this would be to hard to sell to most of them, as it's very "back to nature". In the west, I think you'd even be able to charge extra for the extra free grazing "moral" points.

ButterCup wrote:https://twitter.com/rebeccawatson/statu ... 6681465857
http://i.imgur.com/62f9BEn.png

So, are SJWs ALLOWED to be friends with the person who started Fark.com?
I would think he would be high up on their ever expanding shit list.

Famous successful people Twatson has not been introduced to: Some rude, weird, bro (her words).

Famous successful people Twatson has been introduced to: PALS!!! See, Im not a factory standard bitch who got caught using her factory standard bitch moves against a famous successful geek I mistook for a normie! I TOTALLY knew who he was. For REALZ. And look at these famous successful geek PALS I have! I am such a famous successful geek too!! SMERG!!

Lsuoma wrote:

ButterCup wrote:https://twitter.com/rebeccawatson/statu ... 6681465857
[imj]http://i.imgur.com/62f9BEn.png[/imj]

So, are SJWs ALLOWED to be friends with the person who started Fark.com?
I would think he would be high up on their ever expanding shit list.

Twatson ended up in a bar and missed what she had previously planned to do? Fuck me sideways!

Me too: with a rusty Spokesgay.

Lsuoma wrote:Reap and I discussed whether Michael Nugent's first post was a set up for the Pit, specifically by targeting Justin who is always keen to engage, and is less suspicious that some.

I wondered whether there was any discussion about this beforehand with Baboollies of any stripe.

My gut (and it's a big one - I likes me beer) suggests to me now that it WAS a set up, but that Nugent was also set up as someone who could be jettisoned if things went wrong. I would not be at all surprised if this was sold to him as a way to engage and try and clear the air from a neutral position, but which acted as a cut-out for people who hoped for more destructive engagement from Pitters - destructive both FROM and TO Pitters - but who can now feign innocence.

I might be wrong and paranoid - more than willing to admit that, but this whole thing smells worse than Skepchick snatch.

It's gonna be interesting what he has to say when Justin has him on his podcast. Certainly better than "dialogue is the attacks." Ophelia's gone batty.

AndrewV69 wrote:In other news,

Eucliwood has a blog now:
http://slymepitintrom.blogspot.ca/

I dunno why but right now I am thinking of this line from Ozymandias:

Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!

- Shelley

What hath the Slymepit done now? What forces hath been unleashed?

I was going to post that link since Eucli wanted to present her side of the story, but I see you already found it... carry on then. Be sure to let cunt know when he wakes up.

A question about Allan Savory's talk: Most of you are too young to remember 1950's Westerns, but that is where I learned the difference between sheep and cattle grazing (both of which were shown in the TED piece). Cattle have incisors; horses, sheep and goats have incisors and molars. The latter can grasp the plants and pull them out by the roots, the cattle merely sheer the grass off like a lawn mower. In the cowboy movies, the cattle ranchers were always killing the sheep grazers because their sheep would destroy the grass so it wouldn't come back. This pissed the cowboys off to no end, so they'd shoot the sheep grazers on sight or hang them up from a nearby tree (and we have a movie/TV show).

The question I have after watching Savory's talk, is what would be the preferred species in stopping Desertification of land? I would think, from my TV watching, that cattle would be preferred over sheep.

Also this concerns me: http://www.savoryinstitute.com/2012/09/ ... an-savory/

windy wrote:

JAB wrote: Or on a more basic level... we have transgressed and therefore must be shunned. By his failure to shun us he has hurt the powers that be and has upset all that follow those powers. What are they supposed to think of him now? They are so confused and it's all his fault!

Sounds like you need to open your eyes!!!

I think there is a lot of hope for Derek, he seem honest and skeptical. I don't think he was properly indoctrinated before being rushed into service. :lol:

Yay my first posting fuck up I'm official now. Sigh... sorry :shock:

Sally Strange
‏@SallyStrange
@micknugent I'm a nobody, but your Slymepit posts have given a platform for lies & personal attacks against me. Worth it? Why?

http://ouyaboards.com/images/smilies/sm ... cepalm.gif

mordacious1 wrote:A question about Allan Savory's talk: Most of you are too young to remember 1950's Westerns, but that is where I learned the difference between sheep and cattle grazing (both of which were shown in the TED piece). Cattle have incisors; horses, sheep and goats have incisors and molars. The latter can grasp the plants and pull them out by the roots, the cattle merely sheer the grass off like a lawn mower. In the cowboy movies, the cattle ranchers were always killing the sheep grazers because their sheep would destroy the grass so it wouldn't come back. This pissed the cowboys off to no end, so they'd shoot the sheep grazers on sight or hang them up from a nearby tree (and we have a movie/TV show).

The question I have after watching Savory's talk, is what would be the preferred species in stopping Desertification of land? I would think, from my TV watching, that cattle would be preferred over sheep.

Also this concerns me: http://www.savoryinstitute.com/2012/09/ ... an-savory/

If you look on the Savory Institute website, it says that land management practices should be modified to suit the appropriate location. So maybe it depends on what the normal vegetation is? Again, I'm an idiot, so I'll leave it to those who know more.

http://www.savoryinstitute.com/holistic ... anagement/

Lsuoma wrote:Reap and I discussed whether Michael Nugent's first post was a set up for the Pit, specifically by targeting Justin who is always keen to engage, and is less suspicious that some.

I wondered whether there was any discussion about this beforehand with Baboollies of any stripe.

My gut (and it's a big one - I likes me beer) suggests to me now that it WAS a set up, but that Nugent was also set up as someone who could be jettisoned if things went wrong. I would not be at all surprised if this was sold to him as a way to engage and try and clear the air from a neutral position, but which acted as a cut-out for people who hoped for more destructive engagement from Pitters - destructive both FROM and TO Pitters - but who can now feign innocence.

I might be wrong and paranoid - more than willing to admit that, but this whole thing smells worse than Skepchick snatch.

My speculation is that someone simply primed him with a list of "look at these nasty things the Slymepit said!", and he wrote his article based on that. If we assume his intentions was pure, it's IMO the thing that makes most sense, considering that a few of the quotes didn't even came from the 'pit, but instead from FTB, and others of the quotes are so obviously ripped from context that they just are silly (for example the "the evil spreads" joke).
From my POV, it's either something like that, or the alternative that he is a special kind of slimy dishonest person that knowingly removed crucial context and even went as far as to lie by attributing quotes from FTB to the pit.

Lsuoma wrote:

AndrewV69 wrote:In other news,

Eucliwood has a blog now:
http://slymepitintrom.blogspot.ca/

I dunno why but right now I am thinking of this line from Ozymandias:

Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!

- Shelley

What hath the Slymepit done now? What forces hath been unleashed?

Jesus Tittyfucking Christ, that girl needs some help. I'm glad she doesn't know my address (1080 W. Addison, Chicago, IL).

Is that next to 1060 W. Addison? Which is the address of The Friendly Confines (Wrigley Field).

New thread for Savory (and maybe some unsavory) Land Management here:

viewtopic.php?f=29&t=277

mordacious1 wrote:

Lsuoma wrote: Jesus Tittyfucking Christ, that girl needs some help. I'm glad she doesn't know my address (1080 W. Addison, Chicago, IL).

Is that next to 1060 W. Addison? Which is the address of The Friendly Confines (Wrigley Field).

Fuck you, you alien cunt!

Grrrr! (slowly moves large boulder over head, giving Lsuoma time to run at least a mile away).

Pitchguest wrote:

Sally Strange
‏@SallyStrange
@micknugent I'm a nobody, but your Slymepit posts have given a platform for lies & personal attacks against me. Worth it? Why?

http://ouyaboards.com/images/smilies/sm ... cepalm.gif

Can someone please link to these "lies and attacks" they keep yammering on about? I read most of the comments (except for steersman's longer ones) and didn't see them. Apparently, neither did Derek Walsh.

Linky please???

acathode wrote:

Lsuoma wrote:Reap and I discussed whether Michael Nugent's first post was a set up for the Pit, specifically by targeting Justin who is always keen to engage, and is less suspicious that some.

I wondered whether there was any discussion about this beforehand with Baboollies of any stripe.

My gut (and it's a big one - I likes me beer) suggests to me now that it WAS a set up, but that Nugent was also set up as someone who could be jettisoned if things went wrong. I would not be at all surprised if this was sold to him as a way to engage and try and clear the air from a neutral position, but which acted as a cut-out for people who hoped for more destructive engagement from Pitters - destructive both FROM and TO Pitters - but who can now feign innocence.

I might be wrong and paranoid - more than willing to admit that, but this whole thing smells worse than Skepchick snatch.

My speculation is that someone simply primed him with a list of "look at these nasty things the Slymepit said!", and he wrote his article based on that. If we assume his intentions was pure, it's IMO the thing that makes most sense, considering that a few of the quotes didn't even came from the 'pit, but instead from FTB, and others of the quotes are so obviously ripped from context that they just are silly (for example the "the evil spreads" joke).
From my POV, it's either something like that, or the alternative that he is a special kind of slimy dishonest person that knowingly removed crucial context and even went as far as to lie by attributing quotes from FTB to the pit.

It's not a stretch to think that this stuff came from a chain mail or tread or something like that somewhere in some back-channel. I agree that it's highly unlikely, considering the stance that Nugent has taken, to think that he went and got all the information himself.

@ Karmakin From Nugget's "Interim Response" post (Nugget writing):

As an aside, I would not have even looked for, and therefore would not have published, these fifty examples if you had given me examples of your own choosing when I first asked you to

While he does not specifically say "I went to the slymepit and found these" he does imply that he looked for them hisself(sic).

Lsuoma wrote:Reap and I discussed whether Michael Nugent's first post was a set up for the Pit, specifically by targeting Justin who is always keen to engage, and is less suspicious that some.

I wondered whether there was any discussion about this beforehand with Baboollies of any stripe.

My gut (and it's a big one - I likes me beer) suggests to me now that it WAS a set up, but that Nugent was also set up as someone who could be jettisoned if things went wrong. I would not be at all surprised if this was sold to him as a way to engage and try and clear the air from a neutral position, but which acted as a cut-out for people who hoped for more destructive engagement from Pitters - destructive both FROM and TO Pitters - but who can now feign innocence.

I might be wrong and paranoid - more than willing to admit that, but this whole thing smells worse than Skepchick snatch.

You mean like when they decided to let Jen roll out the A+ idea so when it crashed and burned, PZ wouldn't wear any of it?

Submariner wrote:@ Karmakin From Nugget's "Interim Response" post (Nugget writing):

As an aside, I would not have even looked for, and therefore would not have published, these fifty examples if you had given me examples of your own choosing when I first asked you to

While he does not specifically say "I went to the slymepit and found these" he does imply that he looked for them hisself(sic).

IIRC he actually say it straight out that he went looking himself in his first post... but it'd hardly be the first time someone took a few artistic freedoms to make a story sound a bit better. "Look at this nasty list I got sent to me from [FTBer]!" just doesn't sound as good when you're trying to be (or at least appear) as neutral and fair.

jimthepleb wrote:arse lets try again....
Hi, fuck off!
*picture of dead stuff in a basket*

You mean this?
Which, according to the EXIF data was taken in Fontaine-Chaalis, France using an iPhone 3GS

So I created an account on panoramio to share where on the map this photo was taken.
http://www.panoramio.com/photo/87153465
And you can import the data into Google Earth and look around, or just hit the link above to do the same.

So, fortunately, no one sent a dick pic to an underage female because that would be wrong and stuff so there was no need to turn off the GPS on the camera, or strip the EXIF data off the pic. Right? Right?

While I disagree with Derek and Nugent's politics I do think they wound up trying to be quite even handed.

I don't expect anyone to change their mind but what is admirable is that they listened and at least accepted some arguments as valid enough to question or interrogate their own stances.

Your dialogue IS the attacks

“How do you say 'We come in peace' when the very words are an act of war?”

http://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/ ... eter_Watts

Submariner wrote:Can someone please link to these "lies and attacks" they keep yammering on about?

I think Sally is referring to franc bringing up the IUD thing (unnecessarily IMO) in one of the threads. I haven't seen any of these numerous attacks against Ophelia though.

ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:

Lsuoma wrote:

ButterCup wrote:https://twitter.com/rebeccawatson/statu ... 6681465857
[imj]http://i.imgur.com/62f9BEn.png[/imj]

So, are SJWs ALLOWED to be friends with the person who started Fark.com?
I would think he would be high up on their ever expanding shit list.

Twatson ended up in a bar and missed what she had previously planned to do? Fuck me sideways!

Me too: with a rusty Spokesgay.

That is just wrong to ...

Never mind, what I was going to say was ...

Whatever man. Fuck!

windy wrote:

Your dialogue IS the attacks

“How do you say 'We come in peace' when the very words are an act of war?”

http://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/ ... eter_Watts

Submariner wrote:Can someone please link to these "lies and attacks" they keep yammering on about?

I think Sally is referring to franc bringing up the IUD thing (unnecessarily IMO) in one of the threads. I haven't seen any of these numerous attacks against Ophelia though.

THAT'S what passes for an "attack" these days? A link to something the "attacked person" publicly tweeted?? Really?


OK. No one link to my videos, it's an attack on me. /jeez

lonesagi wrote:

JAB wrote:

Zenspace wrote:

Apples wrote:Rereading the Ophie/Josh/et al tweets to Nugent and recalling the threads ... it occurs to me that what they were complaining about, and what Ophie was claiming was "destroying her," was really simply the fact that he was allowing a dialogue including the Pit Crew without moderation or banning. If you read those tweets without reading the threads, you'd think people were spewing invective at Ophie and calling her a cunt, etc. (and "lying about her" -- I believe she tweeted that), but Ophie was in fact rarely mentioned at all, if I recall correctly.

They are simply furious that, having told us to stay the fuck away from their blogs and banning many of us, anyone with a public profile would allow the unbelievable truth to be revealed -- that people here have relevant points to make and citations to back them up, and are generally thoughtful, reasonable, and worst of all, numerous.

Exactly. Further, as usual, when outside their controlled environment, their arguments and claims are generally found to be wanting. Nugent clearly got much, much more than he had bargained for, likely based on the propaganda his FtB friends have been feeding him. It really was a good show. :clap:

Or on a more basic level... we have transgressed and therefore must be shunned. By his failure to shun us he has hurt the powers that be and has upset all that follow those powers. What are they supposed to think of him now? They are so confused and it's all his fault!

I think that I really, truly feel sorry for Nugent now. It would have been very, very easy for him to toe the party line and brushed us off. He hasn't, and that actually makes me begin to suspect that his motivation might be sincere (however condescending). I'd still bet money that he throws us under the bus in the end; however, he didn't do it as a knee jerk reaction to his friends complaints, so I have some degree of hope.

Really, it is all very predictable. If you do not do what they say you are a non person to them. Simple as that. He is stuck between a rock and a hard place. He set up JV even though I accept JV gave that to him for free (in my opinion, never allow anyone to take the moral high ground. Nugent should have declined that offer) which went badly wrong for him. Predictable. So he did the Ophelia picture to distract from his moral attack. That also went very bad. Also predictable.

All through that despite being attacked and vilified the Pitters kept going. Because we are rationalists and that's what we do. We have no sacred cows.

Yet the FtB crowd mainly did nothing but wait for their chance to be offended. Because they are Ideologues and that's what they do. Now they are collecting their victim points and they will do anything, including trashing reputations, to get them.

The whole point of the pitters argument is the very point that will ensure no discussion will be successful. It is NOT about being offended. It is not about bad words or even the definition of Feminism. It is about applying Skepticicsm to any claim and resisting blatant attempts to control the community by exclusion and shunning.

He started badly and it went downhill from there. He was told clearly not to do what he did and the reason why it was a bad idea. You do not pick sides and judge before you have all the evidence and certainly not if you want to present yourself as an honest broker.

I think his heart is in the right place but his wilful lack of judegement is much harder to resolve. However, as always, things may change and if they do maybe something may come from it. However I suspect Nugent is working out an exit route. It has already provided extremely useful evidence to observers that we are not a deluded bunch of misogynist nut jobs as they love to paint us.

ianfc wrote:Briefly delurking to say gday to yous cunts.

Welcome.

Jack wrote:

lonesagi wrote:

JAB wrote:

Zenspace wrote:

Apples wrote:Rereading the Ophie/Josh/et al tweets to Nugent and recalling the threads ... it occurs to me that what they were complaining about, and what Ophie was claiming was "destroying her," was really simply the fact that he was allowing a dialogue including the Pit Crew without moderation or banning. If you read those tweets without reading the threads, you'd think people were spewing invective at Ophie and calling her a cunt, etc. (and "lying about her" -- I believe she tweeted that), but Ophie was in fact rarely mentioned at all, if I recall correctly.

They are simply furious that, having told us to stay the fuck away from their blogs and banning many of us, anyone with a public profile would allow the unbelievable truth to be revealed -- that people here have relevant points to make and citations to back them up, and are generally thoughtful, reasonable, and worst of all, numerous.

Exactly. Further, as usual, when outside their controlled environment, their arguments and claims are generally found to be wanting. Nugent clearly got much, much more than he had bargained for, likely based on the propaganda his FtB friends have been feeding him. It really was a good show. :clap:

Or on a more basic level... we have transgressed and therefore must be shunned. By his failure to shun us he has hurt the powers that be and has upset all that follow those powers. What are they supposed to think of him now? They are so confused and it's all his fault!

I think that I really, truly feel sorry for Nugent now. It would have been very, very easy for him to toe the party line and brushed us off. He hasn't, and that actually makes me begin to suspect that his motivation might be sincere (however condescending). I'd still bet money that he throws us under the bus in the end; however, he didn't do it as a knee jerk reaction to his friends complaints, so I have some degree of hope.

Really, it is all very predictable. If you do not do what they say you are a non person to them. Simple as that. He is stuck between a rock and a hard place. He set up JV even though I accept JV gave that to him for free (in my opinion, never allow anyone to take the moral high ground. Nugent should have declined that offer) which went badly wrong for him. Predictable. So he did the Ophelia picture to distract from his moral attack. That also went very bad. Also predictable.

All through that despite being attacked and vilified the Pitters kept going. Because we are rationalists and that's what we do. We have no sacred cows.

Yet the FtB crowd mainly did nothing but wait for their chance to be offended. Because they are Ideologues and that's what they do. Now they are collecting their victim points and they will do anything, including trashing reputations, to get them.

The whole point of the pitters argument is the very point that will ensure no discussion will be successful. It is NOT about being offended. It is not about bad words or even the definition of Feminism. It is about applying Skepticicsm to any claim and resisting blatant attempts to control the community by exclusion and shunning.

He started badly and it went downhill from there. He was told clearly not to do what he did and the reason why it was a bad idea. You do not pick sides and judge before you have all the evidence and certainly not if you want to present yourself as an honest broker.

I think his heart is in the right place but his wilful lack of judegement is much harder to resolve. However, as always, things may change and if they do maybe something may come from it. However I suspect Nugent is working out an exit route. It has already provided extremely useful evidence to observers that we are not a deluded bunch of misogynist nut jobs as they love to paint us.

Yeah, but I bet you spell gray "grey" so you haven't been listening to us 'merkins and our needs. Fuck off Jack.

Losing an hour due to DST here in the Colonies. Turning in now.

@ Jack: Well said, sir.

When I go to Meyers's blog, all I do is read his latest posts to ensure I am up to date on the lies. and then scan the "recent comments" sidebar to see if Nerd of Redhead has commented.

Does anyone else have a favorite blogger/commenter who they stalk and harass in this way?

ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:When I go to Meyers's blog, all I do is read his latest posts to ensure I am up to date on the lies. and then scan the "recent comments" sidebar to see if Nerd of Redhead has commented.

Does anyone else have a favorite blogger/commenter who they stalk and harass in this way?

Not really, but I do use Facebook a lot recently to keep in touch with family. I'm such a stalker.

ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:When I go to Meyers's blog, all I do is read his latest posts to ensure I am up to date on the lies. and then scan the "recent comments" sidebar to see if Nerd of Redhead has commented.

Does anyone else have a favorite blogger/commenter who they stalk and harass in this way?

Just you, ConcentratedH2O, just you....

lonesagi wrote:

ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:When I go to Meyers's blog, all I do is read his latest posts to ensure I am up to date on the lies. and then scan the "recent comments" sidebar to see if Nerd of Redhead has commented.

Does anyone else have a favorite blogger/commenter who they stalk and harass in this way?

Just you, ConcentratedH2O, just you....

Ah well, some of us have to dip a toe into the slimy waters of FfTB, so that the rest of you can stay informed. And the Nerd thing is just a hobby: his comments are so seriously fucked up, and so often target the wrong person because he has limited comprehension skills, they are a joy to read.

lonesagi wrote:

ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:When I go to Meyers's blog, all I do is read his latest posts to ensure I am up to date on the lies. and then scan the "recent comments" sidebar to see if Nerd of Redhead has commented.

Does anyone else have a favorite blogger/commenter who they stalk and harass in this way?

Just you, ConcentratedH2O, just you....

USE THE 'OM' WHEN ADDRESSING ME. I SPENT MONTHS IN THE TRENCHES TO EARN IT. FUCK YOU SIDEWAYS WITH A RUSTY NERD.

windy wrote:

Your dialogue IS the attacks

“How do you say 'We come in peace' when the very words are an act of war?”

http://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/ ... eter_Watts

Submariner wrote:Can someone please link to these "lies and attacks" they keep yammering on about?

I think Sally is referring to franc bringing up the IUD thing (unnecessarily IMO) in one of the threads. I haven't seen any of these numerous attacks against Ophelia though.

As I recall he was attacking the wrong Sally and I told him so.

Anyway,

I linked to a comment Sally Strange made on the baboon board wanting to know exactly what words were the most offensive to someone so she could make sure to use them... which I intended people to read as an example of "hurtful" language without actually swearing involved.

She might have got upset about that. But you know, I chose a random comment from a random entry on the baboon board and she just got lucky.

Also, I think she may have posted the odd comment on at least one of the recent Nugent blog posts.

Dunno what she was saying at that point though because I was treating her the same as Oolon on those threads.

I skipped over whatever they had to say for pretty much the same reasons. They both appear for one to have a rather dubious relationship with the reality that most normative people appear to share.

Takes me way too much time to try and figure out what they are trying to say, only to immediately regret the effort, as I usually wind up chewing on a table leg afterwards, which is not good either for my teeth or the table leg.

ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:

lonesagi wrote:

ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:When I go to Meyers's blog, all I do is read his latest posts to ensure I am up to date on the lies. and then scan the "recent comments" sidebar to see if Nerd of Redhead has commented.

Does anyone else have a favorite blogger/commenter who they stalk and harass in this way?

Just you, ConcentratedH2O, just you....

Ah well, some of us have to dip a toe into the slimy waters of FfTB, so that the rest of you can stay informed. And the Nerd thing is just a hobby: his comments are so seriously fucked up, and so often target the wrong person because he has limited comprehension skills, they are a joy to read.

Since the Pharyngulanas are dead, I'm kind of hoping to see the epic battle between Steersman and Nerd. Citation needed vs. Citation provided. Jan Steen?

ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:

lonesagi wrote:

ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:When I go to Meyers's blog, all I do is read his latest posts to ensure I am up to date on the lies. and then scan the "recent comments" sidebar to see if Nerd of Redhead has commented.

Does anyone else have a favorite blogger/commenter who they stalk and harass in this way?

Just you, ConcentratedH2O, just you....

Ah well, some of us have to dip a toe into the slimy waters of FfTB, so that the rest of you can stay informed. And the Nerd thing is just a hobby: his comments are so seriously fucked up, and so often target the wrong person because he has limited comprehension skills, they are a joy to read.

Oolon can be deeply entertaining too. His block bot is a thing of beauty and everything he says so full of obsequious toadying it's like reading a Dickens novel. The Uriah Heap of FtB.

lonesagi wrote:

ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:

lonesagi wrote:

ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:When I go to Meyers's blog, all I do is read his latest posts to ensure I am up to date on the lies. and then scan the "recent comments" sidebar to see if Nerd of Redhead has commented.

Does anyone else have a favorite blogger/commenter who they stalk and harass in this way?

Just you, ConcentratedH2O, just you....

Ah well, some of us have to dip a toe into the slimy waters of FfTB, so that the rest of you can stay informed. And the Nerd thing is just a hobby: his comments are so seriously fucked up, and so often target the wrong person because he has limited comprehension skills, they are a joy to read.

Since the Pharyngulanas are dead, I'm kind of hoping to see the epic battle between Steersman and Nerd. Citation needed vs. Citation provided. Jan Steen?

Haha, yes!

"Hi, I'm Steersman."

"Citation needed, idjit fuckwit."

"Er, well, that's the name I've given myself. There's no official record, but I suppose I could..."

"Citation needed. Peer-reviewed publications only, try Google Scholar, presuppositional loser."

"No, listen, this is a created name, it is not recorded in any government papers, I mean this is the internet so I..."

"Citation needed, liberturd fuckwit, otherwise all you have is OPINION and no EVIDENCE, so you can be *SPLADOOSH* dismissed as a liberturd idjit fuckwitted Republican misogynist Meyers Rebecca Watson sexism...Youtube...*splutter*...women...porcupine...*fizz*...*spark*...scientific literature...citation...*bang*...*terminal error in Nerd software*...

I doubt it would be hard to do an FtB bot. Dr Tom Wilkinson who was interviewed on Brave Hero radio yesterday did one for Deepak Chopra. Just replace words such as 'quantum' with 'misogynist'.

Rather liked this article:

I’ve seen so much energy spent on telling girls that “they can do it, too!”, but I worry what message this is really sending. It seems to remind you that you belong to a minority, which is its own sort of reinforcement, much in the same way I was perpetuating gender bias as a kid. But there are studies that show when you present kids just with life as if it were normally always this way they simply accept it as such.

Makes a nice argument against identity politics in a way I wish I'd done first.

masakari2012 wrote:Pic

Hah! That FPS Russia guy?

I would LOVE to see a response video from him to someone like Benson, with sustained machine gun fire and light artillery going on in the background. Imagine the death threat rhetoric from Benson!

Yep, it's him. I like him even more now.

Maximus wrote:

windy wrote:

JAB wrote: Or on a more basic level... we have transgressed and therefore must be shunned. By his failure to shun us he has hurt the powers that be and has upset all that follow those powers. What are they supposed to think of him now? They are so confused and it's all his fault!

Sounds like you need to open your eyes!!!

I think there is a lot of hope for Derek, he seem honest and skeptical. I don't think he was properly indoctrinated before being rushed into service. :lol:

Agreed.

But “crazier than shit-house rats” is the phrase that springs to mind to describe the FfTB cohort there ….

ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:

lonesagi wrote:

ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:

lonesagi wrote:

ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:When I go to Meyers's blog, all I do is read his latest posts to ensure I am up to date on the lies. and then scan the "recent comments" sidebar to see if Nerd of Redhead has commented.

Does anyone else have a favorite blogger/commenter who they stalk and harass in this way?

Just you, ConcentratedH2O, just you....

Ah well, some of us have to dip a toe into the slimy waters of FfTB, so that the rest of you can stay informed. And the Nerd thing is just a hobby: his comments are so seriously fucked up, and so often target the wrong person because he has limited comprehension skills, they are a joy to read.

Since the Pharyngulanas are dead, I'm kind of hoping to see the epic battle between Steersman and Nerd. Citation needed vs. Citation provided. Jan Steen?

Haha, yes!

"Hi, I'm Steersman."

"Citation needed, idjit fuckwit."

"Er, well, that's the name I've given myself. There's no official record, but I suppose I could..."

"Citation needed. Peer-reviewed publications only, try Google Scholar, presuppositional loser."

"No, listen, this is a created name, it is not recorded in any government papers, I mean this is the internet so I..."

"Citation needed, liberturd fuckwit, otherwise all you have is OPINION and no EVIDENCE, so you can be *SPLADOOSH* dismissed as a liberturd idjit fuckwitted Republican misogynist Meyers Rebecca Watson sexism...Youtube...*splutter*...women...porcupine...*fizz*...*spark*...scientific literature...citation...*bang*...*terminal error in Nerd software*...

:lol:

lonesagi wrote: <snip>
/Steersman on

I'm hesitant to endorse this particular approach without a proper scientific review (which, based on a cursory Googling I've been unable to find). That being said, the "proof is in the pudding" so to speak, and his testimonial and pictorial evidence are both compelling. It would be unfortunate if this were pure "snake oil", as many of the underlying principles seem to make sense on an intuitive level.

/Steersman off
<snip>

:lol:
“Might need to reprogram the operating system, Captain; they’ve found our range!”

Steersman wrote:

Maximus wrote:

windy wrote:

JAB wrote: Or on a more basic level... we have transgressed and therefore must be shunned. By his failure to shun us he has hurt the powers that be and has upset all that follow those powers. What are they supposed to think of him now? They are so confused and it's all his fault!

Sounds like you need to open your eyes!!!

I think there is a lot of hope for Derek, he seem honest and skeptical. I don't think he was properly indoctrinated before being rushed into service. :lol:

Agreed.

But “crazier than shit-house rats” is the phrase that springs to mind to describe the FfTB cohort there ….

Derek comes across as entirely decent and reasonable. Welcome to their world Derek:)

rayshul wrote:Rather liked this article:

I’ve seen so much energy spent on telling girls that “they can do it, too!”, but I worry what message this is really sending. It seems to remind you that you belong to a minority, which is its own sort of reinforcement, much in the same way I was perpetuating gender bias as a kid. But there are studies that show when you present kids just with life as if it were normally always this way they simply accept it as such.

Makes a nice argument against identity politics in a way I wish I'd done first.

Oh ya, I've thought quite a bit about this. Seems to me that messages like "Girls can do [x]!" may plant seeds of doubt for girls about whether or not they themselves really can do [x].

I hear this a fair amount at math competitions, including one last month where the speaker invited to fill time after the test-taking & before the awards blathered on about how great it was to see so many girls there (indeed, about half were girls) and how girls really can be good at math and can go on to become engineers etc. I was embarrassed for him and a little angry. My guess is that most of the girls there hadn't been feeling out of place or outclassed, and of course half the kids there were ignored in his speech - so much for "motivational". Whereas welcoming & cheering on ALL the kids there, and celebrating their enthusiasm for math & their accomplishments, etc, would have seemed more appropriate and IMO probably more effective. I've also noticed that most of the math coaches at elementary schools in this area seem to be women, so certainly the kids have role models at that level for women who are enthusiastic about math and hopefully share that enthusiasm with ALL the kids they teach & coach. (At middle school & senior high school levels, the coaches do seem to be mostly men.)

I also cringe at all the talk about how "you don't have to be scared of math!" - what if it hadn't actually occurred to the person - probably more likely female than male - to be scared of math, they just saw it at dry & difficult or something. But that example focuses more on messages about math, whereas your focus is, appropriately, messages to people who are members of a sub-group assumed to perform less well, and need encouragement, in some specific area.

Jack wrote:

Steersman wrote:

Maximus wrote:

windy wrote:

JAB wrote: Or on a more basic level... we have transgressed and therefore must be shunned. By his failure to shun us he has hurt the powers that be and has upset all that follow those powers. What are they supposed to think of him now? They are so confused and it's all his fault!

Sounds like you need to open your eyes!!!

I think there is a lot of hope for Derek, he seem honest and skeptical. I don't think he was properly indoctrinated before being rushed into service. :lol:

Agreed.

But “crazier than shit-house rats” is the phrase that springs to mind to describe the FfTB cohort there ….

Derek comes across as entirely decent and reasonable. Welcome to their world Derek :-)

Agreed.

I wouldn’t be surprised, or blame him, if he thinks that he’s been dropped into the middle of a pack of New World savages whose language hasn’t progressed much beyond disconnected monosyllables ….

“Increasingly odd exchange”, indeed.

Skep tickle wrote:

rayshul wrote:Rather liked this article:

I’ve seen so much energy spent on telling girls that “they can do it, too!”, but I worry what message this is really sending. It seems to remind you that you belong to a minority, which is its own sort of reinforcement, much in the same way I was perpetuating gender bias as a kid. But there are studies that show when you present kids just with life as if it were normally always this way they simply accept it as such.

Makes a nice argument against identity politics in a way I wish I'd done first.

Oh ya, I've thought quite a bit about this. Seems to me that messages like "Girls can do [x]!" may plant seeds of doubt for girls about whether or not they themselves really can do [x].

I hear this a fair amount at math competitions, including one last month where the speaker invited to fill time after the test-taking & before the awards blathered on about how great it was to see so many girls there (indeed, about half were girls) and how girls really can be good at math and can go on to become engineers etc. I was embarrassed for him and a little angry. My guess is that most of the girls there hadn't been feeling out of place or outclassed, and of course half the kids there were ignored in his speech - so much for "motivational". Whereas welcoming & cheering on ALL the kids there, and celebrating their enthusiasm for math & their accomplishments, etc, would have seemed more appropriate and IMO probably more effective. I've also noticed that most of the math coaches at elementary schools in this area seem to be women, so certainly the kids have role models at that level for women who are enthusiastic about math and hopefully share that enthusiasm with ALL the kids they teach & coach. (At middle school & senior high school levels, the coaches do seem to be mostly men.)

I also cringe at all the talk about how "you don't have to be scared of math!" - what if it hadn't actually occurred to the person - probably more likely female than male - to be scared of math, they just saw it at dry & difficult or something. But that example focuses more on messages about math, whereas your focus is, appropriately, messages to people who are members of a sub-group assumed to perform less well, and need encouragement, in some specific area.

It's like religion. Impose the guilt then offer the cure. It disgusts me.