If thou gazest long into the Pit, the Pit will also gaze into thee

Is anyone keeping score?
So far Peezus seems to have gained oolon and Chris Mooney.
All we have is Dawkins, Harris, DJ Grothe, James Randi...

ERV wrote:

Jan Steen wrote:Aaaand ... of course the once villified Mooney now turns out to be not so bad after all. Who knew?

BFFS!!!!!!

Jan Steen wrote:

Dick Strawkins wrote:Adam Isaak is (or recently was) the boyfriend of Rebecca Watson.
Good riddance to the lot of them.

Ah, that explains a lot.

Yes, its amazing how so little can explain so much. From why female dissenters have been accused of chasing cock in the skeptical community, to why three individuals with no connection to WISC2 magically decided to quit over comments made there.

To an outside observer, it doesnt appear as if Watson has friends (or boyfriends). She has people she can use, and then ditches them when they are no longer exploitable.

To any female dissenters here who want my cock, I just want you to know I ain't cheap...but I can be had. :dance:

Pitchguest wrote:

Jan Steen wrote:Aaaand ... of course the once villified Mooney now turns out to be not so bad after all. Who knew?

Which is odd, because haven't they accepted Lindsay's apology? Didn't Mooney get the memo?

I think his resignation happened just before the apology.

I gather some baboons are scratching their heads now. "Didn't we accept the apology too soon?"

Note that Watson hasn't publicly accepted The Apology yet.

Cunt of Personality wrote:I have a sneaky suspicion that Rebecca Watson knows next-to-fuck-all about issues pertaining to separation of church & state in Ireland and how it fits within the broader context of European Human Rights legislation.

Unless, maybe the ECHR get Twitter death threats that she could help out with.

I'm getting cynical in my old age.

I wonder if she will demonstrate that she's even read the Irish Constitution. Hint: it's not like the US Constitution as regards religion.

Dick Strawkins wrote:Is anyone keeping score?
So far Peezus seems to have gained oolon and Chris Mooney.
All we have is Dawkins, Harris, DJ Grothe, James Randi...

Poor us. I have more books by Dawkins on my bookshelf than by oolon or Mooney (note the double 'o's in both names. Coincidence...?)

Eh! Mooloney...

ERV wrote:

justinvacula wrote:While preparing for my trip to the Empowering Women Through Secularism (EWTS) conference — thanks to a fundraiser graciously promoted and funded by supporters — I failed to notice any type of anti-harassment policy listed on the conference’s website and am thus quite befuddled. I praise conference organizers for not implementing an anti-harassment policy, but cannot help but note inconsistency within some speakers at this upcoming conference.

http://www.skepticink.com/justinvacula/ ... n-ireland/

FreeOK didnt have one either. Somehow, no one was raped or murdered.

To me I think the policy should be more aimed at the personnel and volunteers on how they handle reports of harassment. While somethings are obviously harassment a lot of things are obviously very context dependant.

Michael J wrote:

ERV wrote:

justinvacula wrote:While preparing for my trip to the Empowering Women Through Secularism (EWTS) conference — thanks to a fundraiser graciously promoted and funded by supporters — I failed to notice any type of anti-harassment policy listed on the conference’s website and am thus quite befuddled. I praise conference organizers for not implementing an anti-harassment policy, but cannot help but note inconsistency within some speakers at this upcoming conference.

http://www.skepticink.com/justinvacula/ ... n-ireland/

FreeOK didnt have one either. Somehow, no one was raped or murdered.

To me I think the policy should be more aimed at the personnel and volunteers on how they handle reports of harassment. While somethings are obviously harassment a lot of things are obviously very context dependant.

This type of logic has no use in hysterical social justice warrior land

Dick Strawkins wrote:Is anyone keeping score?
So far Peezus seems to have gained oolon and Chris Mooney.
All we have is Dawkins, Harris, DJ Grothe, James Randi...

To be fair, Peezus also has Nerd of Redhead and Anthony K. You will not find their equivalent anywhere else.

Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:

Dick Strawkins wrote:Is anyone keeping score?
So far Peezus seems to have gained oolon and Chris Mooney.
All we have is Dawkins, Harris, DJ Grothe, James Randi...

Poor us. I have more books by Dawkins on my bookshelf than by oolon or Mooney (note the double 'o's in both names. Coincidence...?)

I"ve got 2 Dawkins, 1 Coyne, 1 Mooney, 1 Harris and 1 Shubin. I've known of Randi since he was debunking fraudsters in the late 1970's.

Jan Steen wrote:

Dick Strawkins wrote:Is anyone keeping score?
So far Peezus seems to have gained oolon and Chris Mooney.
All we have is Dawkins, Harris, DJ Grothe, James Randi...

To be fair, Peezus also has Nerd of Redhead and Anthony K. You will not find their equivalent anywhere else.

You're right. In our house we flush.

Tribble wrote:

Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:

Dick Strawkins wrote:Is anyone keeping score?
So far Peezus seems to have gained oolon and Chris Mooney.
All we have is Dawkins, Harris, DJ Grothe, James Randi...

Poor us. I have more books by Dawkins on my bookshelf than by oolon or Mooney (note the double 'o's in both names. Coincidence...?)

I"ve got 2 Dawkins, 1 Coyne, 1 Mooney, 1 Harris and 1 Shubin. I've known of Randi since he was debunking fraudsters in the late 1970's.

I have 3 Dawkins, 3 Hitchens, 1 Coyne, 1 Krauss, 28 Pratchetts, 5 Tolkiens, many unknown, zero of the others you cite.

I've never heard of Point of Inquiry, but seeing how I have heard of Mother Jones and had never heard of CFI it seems likely this is more a career move than anything about Ron Lindsay.

Jan Steen wrote:

Dick Strawkins wrote:Is anyone keeping score?
So far Peezus seems to have gained oolon and Chris Mooney.
All we have is Dawkins, Harris, DJ Grothe, James Randi...

To be fair, Peezus also has Nerd of Redhead and Anthony K. You will not find their equivalent anywhere else.

We're doomed.

Oh, and 1 Rushdie (guess which...)

Tribble wrote:

Jan Steen wrote:

Dick Strawkins wrote:Is anyone keeping score?
So far Peezus seems to have gained oolon and Chris Mooney.
All we have is Dawkins, Harris, DJ Grothe, James Randi...

To be fair, Peezus also has Nerd of Redhead and Anthony K. You will not find their equivalent anywhere else.

You're right. In our house we flush.

Privileged! Burn him! (Does this qualify as a witch hunt? Are you a witch?)

Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:

Tribble wrote:

Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:
Poor us. I have more books by Dawkins on my bookshelf than by oolon or Mooney (note the double 'o's in both names. Coincidence...?)

I"ve got 2 Dawkins, 1 Coyne, 1 Mooney, 1 Harris and 1 Shubin. I've known of Randi since he was debunking fraudsters in the late 1970's.

I have 3 Dawkins, 3 Hitchens, 1 Coyne, 1 Krauss, 28 Pratchetts, 5 Tolkiens, many unknown, zero of the others you cite.

10 Dawkins. Noobs.

And 1 Blackford and (ex) friends.

With "our" awesome photoshop powers at "our" command, why does the Slymepit still looks like the Atheism Plus forum?

Metalogic42 wrote:
10 Dawkins. Noobs.

Impressive enough (I didn't even know Dawkins wrote 10 books).

Last one I got was The Magic of Reality, as I thought it would be a good starter for Alicja to get familiar with his writing style and his arguments. I haven't read it myself yet, I'm still entranced in Coyne's WEIT. Jerry can write!

The Blackford one is personally signed to me, so it trumps your "quantity over quality" argument. I still haven't teared down or otherwise desecrated the pages written by Benson. I am a patient man...

Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:Oh, and 1 Rushdie (guess which...)

I could guess, but I haven't read the one I would guess. Of the ones I have read I enjoyed Midnight's Children the best, but still haven't seen the film of it that Deepa Mentha made not long ago. :(

Jan Steen wrote:

Dick Strawkins wrote:Is anyone keeping score?
So far Peezus seems to have gained oolon and Chris Mooney.
All we have is Dawkins, Harris, DJ Grothe, James Randi...

To be fair, Peezus also has Nerd of Redhead and Anthony K. You will not find their equivalent anywhere else.

Meanwhile we have Steersman and Jan Steen.

No contest.

Aneris wrote:With "our" awesome photoshop powers at "our" command, why does the Slymepit still looks like the Atheism Plus forum?

IIRC, phpBB is not that easy to handle graphic-wise. My old band's forum runs on it, and there were very limited options re graphics. Maybe it has changed now.

JAB wrote:

Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:Oh, and 1 Rushdie (guess which...)

I could guess, but I haven't read the one I would guess. Of the ones I have read I enjoyed Midnight's Children the best, but still haven't seen the film of it that Deepa Mentha made not long ago. :(

* Mehta

Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:

Tribble wrote:
I"ve got 2 Dawkins, 1 Coyne, 1 Mooney, 1 Harris and 1 Shubin. I've known of Randi since he was debunking fraudsters in the late 1970's.

I have 3 Dawkins, 3 Hitchens, 1 Coyne, 1 Krauss, 28 Pratchetts, 5 Tolkiens, many unknown, zero of the others you cite.

8 Dawkins, 3 Harris, 1 Hitchens, 4 Dennett, 4 Pinker, 7 Shermer, 17 Gould, 2 Randi

I have signed first editions of both The Selfish Gene AND Ever Since Darwin. I have to keep them on opposite ends of the bookshelf though, or they get drunk and yell at each other all night.

I also have this...where it all began.

http://www.vanden-eykel.com/csicopprogram.jpg

KiwiInOz wrote:

Jan Steen wrote:

Dick Strawkins wrote:Is anyone keeping score?
So far Peezus seems to have gained oolon and Chris Mooney.
All we have is Dawkins, Harris, DJ Grothe, James Randi...

To be fair, Peezus also has Nerd of Redhead and Anthony K. You will not find their equivalent anywhere else.

Meanwhile we have Steersman and Jan Steen.

No contest.

Is it the right time to repost? yes, yes I guess it is:

http://i391.photobucket.com/albums/oo35 ... 29a836.png

Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:Oh, and 1 Rushdie (guess which...)

Satanic Verses? Me too. Is YOURS signed first edition? </oneup> ;)

Aneris wrote:With "our" awesome photoshop powers at "our" command, why does the Slymepit still looks like the Atheism Plus forum?

It's worse than you think...it also looks identical to the albaexodus forum.

In my feeder: Greta Christina says her "Unicorn and Rainbow" fanfic was the product of a dare:

...When do I ever come to Perverts Put Out with a fiction piece and say, ‘This is a really sweet story; this is a nice, gentle, happy story about unicorns fucking rainbows’?”
And at the break, about a dozen people came up to me and said that they dearly wanted me to write the story of the unicorn and the rainbow.
Challenge accepted!
I knew the story had to be disturbing. Dark. Noir, even. Oooo… noir. That could work. The first paragraph tumbled into my head:
Frank the unicorn walked into the bar. Midnight, pissing rain, and the grime on the neon-garish windows streaked down the glass like a whore’s mascara. The unicorn staggered across the floor and slammed his hoof on the bar. “Jack. Double shot.”
But after that, I was stumped for a bit. How do you write a sex scene between a mythical entity and an entity with no physical substance?

Hattip - you don't. Yeesh!

Also, Coyne get love mail from the DI:

If you want to listen to a bunch of anti-evolutionists scream about persecution, the Medved Show details are at Evolution News and Views, in a post that includes these lovely tidbits:

From the start, Hedin’s most vocal persecutor, the guy with the biggest megaphone, has been University of Chicago biologist Jerry Coyne, backed up by the rabid atheist Freedom from Religion Foundation. Now Coyne has got word that besides the offense of physicist Dr. Hedin’s teaching from a reading list including texts favorable to intelligent design, Ball State University has hired an actual ID advocate, astrophysicist Guillermo Gonzalez, who was previously the victim of discrimination for his views on ID by his former employer, Iowa State University.

Coyne is on the warpath. On today’s Science & Culture Update on the Medved Show, Mr. Medved will talk with Dr. Gonzalez’s co-author Dr. Jay Richards about the related cases, about Darwinist attempts to preemptively shut down Stephen Meyer’s book Darwin’s Doubt, and about the long history of Darwinists seeking to silence dissenters.

I love the “rabid atheist” bit: the tropes just get angrier and angrier as the DI feels more beleaguered. Do we ever hear about “rabid IDers” or “rabid Catholics”? Klinghoffer, for example, could be deemed a “rabid Orthodox Jew,” but I wouldn’t call him that.

The DI can’t seem to distinguish between criticism of Darwin’s Doubt (Stephen Meyer’s screed about how God an intelligent designer created the Cambrian explosion, and attempt to shut down the book.

Damn. Rabid, warpath, inability to distinguish criticism and censorship....where have I heard similar things? :think:

Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:

Metalogic42 wrote:
10 Dawkins. Noobs.

Impressive enough (I didn't even know Dawkins wrote 10 books).

Last one I got was The Magic of Reality, as I thought it would be a good starter for Alicja to get familiar with his writing style and his arguments. I haven't read it myself yet, I'm still entranced in Coyne's WEIT. Jerry can write!

The Blackford one is personally signed to me, so it trumps your "quantity over quality" argument. I still haven't teared down or otherwise desecrated the pages written by Benson. I am a patient man...

He actually has 11, with a 12th scheduled for release later this year. If you don't have The Ancestor's Tale, I recommend it, IMO his best work, closely followed by The Extended Phenotype.

If you prefer quality, I have a book called 2088 Jokes, Toasts, and Anecdotes from 1923 which I've traced the history of based on an inscription in the front. One day, I plan to give it to the descendents of the original owner.

bovarchist wrote:

Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:Oh, and 1 Rushdie (guess which...)

Satanic Verses? Me too. Is YOURS signed first edition? </oneup> ;)

Ye basterd!

Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:

KiwiInOz wrote:

Jan Steen wrote:
To be fair, Peezus also has Nerd of Redhead and Anthony K. You will not find their equivalent anywhere else.

Meanwhile we have Steersman and Jan Steen.

No contest.

Is it the right time to repost? yes, yes I guess it is:

http://i391.photobucket.com/albums/oo35 ... 29a836.png

I concur with your concurrence.

Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:

Aneris wrote:With "our" awesome photoshop powers at "our" command, why does the Slymepit still looks like the Atheism Plus forum?

IIRC, phpBB is not that easy to handle graphic-wise. My old band's forum runs on it, and there were very limited options re graphics. Maybe it has changed now.

I've seen some pretty styles, which could be re-purposed. The relevant graphics (i.e. header and some buttons) could be offered to our 'shoppers to adapt them. The difficulty with everything that isn't default though is that not everyone will like the change. I don't know if users can set the style they want (i've seen this on other forums, perhaps it appears when there is more than one). Anyhow, it would be a step to get away from the provisional feel.

And while we are at it, here is some retweet material (or feel free to steal the link and write your own tweet).

Jan Steen wrote:As reported by PZ Myers:

On Friday, Point of Inquiry’s two co-hosts—Indre Viskontas and Chris Mooney—resigned from their positions at the Center for Inquiry. On Monday, Point of Inquiry producer Adam Isaak followed suit. This note is to explain our reasons for departing CFI and our future plans.

This has to do with Lindsay's speech, of course.

The actions of Lindsay and the Board have made it overwhelmingly difficult for us to continue in our goal to provide thoughtful and compelling content, including coverage of feminist issues, as in past interviews with guests like Amanda Marcotte, Katha Pollitt, MG Lord, and Carol Tavris.

I say good riddance to that annoying accommodationist Mooney. Don't know the other two. Probably morons as well. After all, anyone who thinks Amanda Marcotte is worth interviewing is an idiot. Clearly a positive outcome.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... tmare-end/

If one reads to the bottom of the post, one will notice that these three are now moving their podcast to Mother Jones. This probably sums it all up.

What we see here is a slow drift of the parts of movement towards the far-left. Given all the "war on science" stuff which Mooney has been reporting on, it is rather comical that he is unable to see the extreme swing he is now taking, towards a stance that is equally anti-science.

We are witnessing the bullying tactics of the Buffoons work. It is possible that instead of celebrating free speech, the ability to question all claims, we will now have some mainstream people espouse a dogmatic form of identity politics. That in itself is not bad, as the skeptical community will continue to be skeptical of these ridiculous dogmas, but it does mean a turnover of people in the movement, with many secularists moving swinging to the far-left.

Cromunist says that the three stooges (well, two and someone unknown) leaving Point of Inquiry is "mixed news for fans of the podcast" - wtf? What is mixed news? Was that Indre person that damn good? When Mooney went on, I stayed for Karen and Price, but deleted all of Mooneys downloads. When they left (or were dropped, I forget) I unsubscribed and was actually amazed to hear that it was still being produced. Keeping Mooney was one reason I gave up on CFI for a long time. Maybe this is a good sign that things are getting better with them.

IMO, _The Extended Phenotype_ is not only Dawkins' best, it's one of the best books evah!

Matt Cavanaugh wrote:IMO, _The Extended Phenotype_ is not only Dawkins' best, it's one of the best books evah!

Ok, fine, fine! ordered!

Crommunist must be joking when he says 'witchhunt' must have a literal witch and a literal fire, right? I mean, he can't really be that stupid, can he?

Kind of interesting that David Silverman being sued for racism is still mostly ignored (props to Stephanie Zvan for actually writing a post about it that wasn't about her or Ed Clint). However, three people leave a podcast and it is atheist national news.

Pitchguest wrote:Crommunist must be joking when he says 'witchhunt' must have a literal witch and a literal fire, right? I mean, he can't really be that stupid, can he?

Guess again. There's a reason I've given up on these muppets ("clown" is too nice a word).

Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:

Pitchguest wrote:Crommunist must be joking when he says 'witchhunt' must have a literal witch and a literal fire, right? I mean, he can't really be that stupid, can he?

Guess again. There's a reason I've given up on these muppets ("clown" is too nice a word).

Aw c'mon, muppet is way nicer than clown.

Pitchguest wrote:Crommunist must be joking when he says 'witchhunt' must have a literal witch and a literal fire, right? I mean, he can't really be that stupid, can he?

This is the guy who lets half-fish have control of his blog, then supports him and edits critical comments of the shitpile that is laid. I wouldn't take any bets on you being right.

bovarchist wrote:

Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:

Pitchguest wrote:Crommunist must be joking when he says 'witchhunt' must have a literal witch and a literal fire, right? I mean, he can't really be that stupid, can he?

Guess again. There's a reason I've given up on these muppets ("clown" is too nice a word).

Aw c'mon, muppet is way nicer than clown.

I don't know - does Jar-jar Binks count as a muppet?

(yeah, I know they are different creators, but watching these antics makes me think of Lucas putting in Jar-Jar, and thinking "people will love him!"). FfTBloggers - the internet's Jar-Jar Binks!

Which is the bigger dumpster fire - American Atheists or Center for Inquiry?

bovarchist wrote:

Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:

Tribble wrote:
I"ve got 2 Dawkins, 1 Coyne, 1 Mooney, 1 Harris and 1 Shubin. I've known of Randi since he was debunking fraudsters in the late 1970's.

I have 3 Dawkins, 3 Hitchens, 1 Coyne, 1 Krauss, 28 Pratchetts, 5 Tolkiens, many unknown, zero of the others you cite.

8 Dawkins, 3 Harris, 1 Hitchens, 4 Dennett, 4 Pinker, 7 Shermer, 17 Gould, 2 Randi

Please check your old (and 2 dead) white man privilege. These people are so yesterday. Being white, and some even cheeky enough to be dead, they are laden with collective guilt of racism, colonialism and misogyny. Please burn their books as soon as convenient. It is best if you just stop reading books altogether. You have been warned.

H. Korban wrote:
Please check your old (and 2 dead) white man privilege. These people are so yesterday. Being white, and some even cheeky enough to be dead, they are laden with collective guilt of racism, colonialism and misogyny. Please burn their books as soon as convenient. It is best if you just stop reading books altogether. You have been warned.

I'm quite ashamed (why?) to say I don't have a single book written by a woman (that I can think of right now). Ali may have some, but it's all in Polish, so who cares?

This is the point where SJW's heads explode. Granted, Poles are basicaly white, but September 1939 and all that...

I've hauled around 7 Gould, 2 Dawkins, 20 Tolkien, 6 Pratchett, 2 Diamond, 2 Rackham, and hundreds of others, and then I got a Kindle several years ago. My 1 Hitchens (Arguably) is on the Kindle, and the only other book of essays I like as much is Andrei Codrescu's New Orleans, Mon Amour. Most of my fiction reading is on the Kindle, or in Audible format (which I really recommend for homebodies). The non-fiction I read now is typically environmental science or natural history. I'd have to be convinced by someone very persuasive to read any more Dawkins. Not that I have anything against his writing, but there are just many other books I'd rather read.

Pitchguest wrote:

Jan Steen wrote:Aaaand ... of course the once villified Mooney now turns out to be not so bad after all. Who knew?

Which is odd, because haven't they accepted Lindsay's apology? Didn't Mooney get the memo?

Mooney's more hard core than Myers! I look forward to his new podcast with Mother Jones: "Fuck 'em Into The Ground, with Chris".

BarnOwl wrote:I've hauled around 7 Gould, 2 Dawkins, 20 Tolkien, 6 Pratchett, 2 Diamond, 2 Rackham, and hundreds of others, and then I got a Kindle several years ago. My 1 Hitchens (Arguably) is on the Kindle, and the only other book of essays I like as much is Andrei Codrescu's New Orleans, Mon Amour. Most of my fiction reading is on the Kindle, or in Audible format (which I really recommend for homebodies). The non-fiction I read now is typically environmental science or natural history. I'd have to be convinced by someone very persuasive to read any more Dawkins. Not that I have anything against his writing, but there are just many other books I'd rather read.

Talking about books, you should also check out "The Private Memoirs and Confessions of a Justified Sinner". This is a book that is funny and frightening in turn. It deftly illustrates how extreme fanaticism justifies all sort of horrendous behavior. One of the best fiction I have read.

Ok, to summarize again...

Statement wrote:These actions have generated much discussion, criticism and polarization within our community. In addition, they created an environment at CFI that made it very difficult for our producer, Adam Isaak, to continue working there.

Adam Isaak is said to be boy/friend to Rebecca Watson. Their statement is (understandably) smokes and mirrors, then. The honest version would read Adam Isaak's girl/friend Rebecca Watson harshly attacked his boss and unfairly compared him to "rape enablers" and misogynists and got into an argument with him (alternate universe exchange) and it made it impossible for them to reconcile (the others in the Ron Lindsay Affair managed to turn their coats, when they realized they couldn't remove Ron Lindsay). All of that made it somewhat difficult for Adam Isaak to work in that environment, so he and his team now do their own thing.

Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:

H. Korban wrote:
Please check your old (and 2 dead) white man privilege. These people are so yesterday. Being white, and some even cheeky enough to be dead, they are laden with collective guilt of racism, colonialism and misogyny. Please burn their books as soon as convenient. It is best if you just stop reading books altogether. You have been warned.

I'm quite ashamed (why?) to say I don't have a single book written by a woman (that I can think of right now). Ali may have some, but it's all in Polish, so who cares?

This is the point where SJW's heads explode. Granted, Poles are basicaly white, but September 1939 and all that...

So here's an odd thing: this book, by Barbara Walker, is a thoroughly researched collection of anti-religion essays. I don't think it's ever been reviewed or mentioned by any of the FtBers. Walker is a feminist icon for the treehugging, organic gardening, hand-spinning, hand-knitting, crunchy granola natural fibers set, a group with which I am pretty strongly aligned. I am puzzled by the Barbara Walker oversight on the part of the FtB SJW. :think:

EdwardGemmer wrote:Which is the bigger dumpster fire - American Atheists or Center for Inquiry?

CFI and AA are dealing with three 'sides' of the debate... 'ours' and 'theirs' (whatever that means), and the third side who knows little-to-nothing about this shit at all. That third side is the biggest slice, some of it holding strings / cash.

FWIW, my recent response to “doubtthat” in the article by Amanda Marcotte on Lindsay’s “apology” follows. Posted here largely because The Raw Story seems to have some objection to it as they have deleted it several times even after several different attempts to correct possible “errors” in proper language; maybe they didn’t like the link to the Pit. In any case:

Steersman wrote:doubtthat said:

… I have to conclude that you're an X-Man with the mutant ability to respond to any topic with a lengthy, tedious ramble that, despite impressive word counts, manage to say nothing.

Just call me “The Incredible Bulk” (1). But maybe you’re unable or unwilling to follow the thread, the trails I’ve laid down. Or you balk at the conclusions I’ve suggested: you can lead some people to a syllogism but you can’t make them think. So to speak.

Yet another post mentioning the "substantive issues" without bothering to say what they are, much less provide an argument one way or the other.

You can’t have read Lindsay’s speech (2) in any detail – or without letting your feelings or an over-indulgence in umbrage get in the way – if you think that he hadn’t done precisely that. Which I had expressly referred to with my “many divisions within feminism”, or alluded to with my quotes of both Benson and Zvan.

However, since you seem to be still in some need of spoon-feeding, consider this particular “substantive issue” Lindsay addressed in some detail:

I’m talking about the situation where the concept of privilege is used to try to silence others, as a justification for saying, “shut up and listen.” …. But having had certain experiences does not automatically turn one into an authority to whom others must defer.

And that last bit manifests an egregious assumption that seriously “sticks in my craw”. While everyone’s experiences of course need tobe respected, that hardly justifies concluding – which many feminists and social justice warriors seem to do with cavalier abandon, abandoning logic, reason, critical thinking, and no small amount of empathy – that the conclusions that are reached and advanced by those having those experiences are necessarily true, and an accurate reflection of “reality”. You surely wouldn’t think that some fundamentalist’s description of their “personal experiences” of having found Jesus should turn them “into an authority to whom others should defer”? Then why do so many feminists and social justice warriors seem to think that claims of sexism and racism and “privilege” and the “patriarchy” should be accepted without some degree of skepticism?

And, lest you think I’m alone in that view, you might wish to check out these links (3,4,5) in some detail, the first from the philosopher Jeremy Stangroom, the second an article in the New Statesman, and the third from the editor of, apparently, a group of women’s magazines.

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5) http://offbeatempire.com/2012/10/liberal-bullying”;

Steersman wrote:doubtthat said:

… I have to conclude that you're an X-Man with the mutant ability to respond to any topic with a lengthy, tedious ramble that, despite impressive word counts, manage to say nothing.

Just call me “The Incredible Bulk” (1).

I frothed

Steersman wrote:I’m talking about the situation where the concept of privilege is used to try to silence others, as a justification for saying, “shut up and listen.” …. But having had certain experiences does not automatically turn one into an authority to whom others must defer.

And that last bit manifests an egregious assumption that seriously “sticks in my craw”. While everyone’s experiences of course need tobe respected, that hardly justifies concluding – which many feminists and social justice warriors seem to do with cavalier abandon, abandoning logic, reason, critical thinking, and no small amount of empathy – that the conclusions that are reached and advanced by those having those experiences are necessarily true, and an accurate reflection of “reality”. You surely wouldn’t think that some fundamentalist’s description of their “personal experiences” of having found Jesus should turn them “into an authority to whom others should defer”? Then why do so many feminists and social justice warriors seem to think that claims of sexism and racism and “privilege” and the “patriarchy” should be accepted without some degree of skepticism?

And, lest you think I’m alone in that view, you might wish to check out these links (3,4,5) in some detail, the first from the philosopher Jeremy Stangroom, the second an article in the New Statesman, and the third from the editor of, apparently, a group of women’s magazines.

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1) viewtopic.php?p=74756#p74756”;
2) http://www.centerforinquiry.net/blogs/s ... is2/P50”;
3) http://blog.talkingphilosophy.com/?p=4010”;
4) http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/20 ... hecking”;
5) http://offbeatempire.com/2012/10/liberal-bullying”;[/quote][/quote]

The thing is that it's only SOME people's experiences that matter here. Experiences that don't toe the ideological line are safely dismissed.

Truth is that I'm not entirely hostile to all of the idea. I think that when something doesn't directly impact you, it CAN result in you underestimating the importance of it, and yes, that is a bit of a privilege. (Although I still think that more often than not it's more accurate to talk about the underprivilege of the affected party) But that goes both ways. If you are affected by something, you could be overestimating the importance of it.

This whole thing started when the experience of certain women was shot down by other women within the A/S movement, because it complicated their narrative. And this is still going on to this day.

Blah. Messed up the quote. Sorry.

The thing is that it's only SOME people's experiences that matter here. Experiences that don't toe the ideological line are safely dismissed.

Truth is that I'm not entirely hostile to all of the idea. I think that when something doesn't directly impact you, it CAN result in you underestimating the importance of it, and yes, that is a bit of a privilege. (Although I still think that more often than not it's more accurate to talk about the underprivilege of the affected party) But that goes both ways. If you are affected by something, you could be overestimating the importance of it.

This whole thing started when the experience of certain women was shot down by other women within the A/S movement, because it complicated their narrative. And this is still going on to this day.

Is my part.

Parody Accountant wrote:

Steersman wrote:doubtthat said:

… I have to conclude that you're an X-Man with the mutant ability to respond to any topic with a lengthy, tedious ramble that, despite impressive word counts, manage to say nothing.

Just call me “The Incredible Bulk” (1).

I frothed

That genuinely made me laugh. Haha! Who says you can't play your own jokes.