Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

[Steersman]

<snip>However, as mentioned, I expect that “we” might find more of “them” willing to concede the point about the butthurt if more of “us” were willing to concede at least the possibilty that Lindsay’s speech was maybe too much of a blunt instrument. Even if there might have been some justification for it – even if only to get people’s attention ….

But I think there's all sorts of highly questionable nuances and different interpretations in that mess which makes the untangling rather problematic to say the least.

Blunt instrument my arse. Lindsay could barely have been more circumspect without wringing his hands pleadingly and simpering. You can't have been paying much attention if you think that making unwarranted concessions is going to get you anything more than your head mounted on the wall as a trophy.

Tends to be a question of perspective, doesn’t it? Reminds me of the joke about the cowboy who was explaining to the greenhorn how they used a couple of bricks to castrate bulls. And greenhorn said, “Jesus! Doesn’t that hurt?” And the cowboy responded with, “Not if you keep your thumbs out of the way”.

But that is the nature of issues and mediation: everyone tends to look at issues from different perspectives, and it isn’t always easy to see where the truth lies.

[ERV]

I wont be happy until EVERYONE has the right to be this bitchy:

Kathy Mason and her boyfriend gifted a food basket to Laura (who declined to give her last name) and her bride.

"I'm not sure if it's the first wedding you have been to, but for your next wedding … people give envelopes. I lost out on $200 covering you and your dates plate . … and got fluffy whip and sour patch kids in return. Just a heads-up for the future."

Ah, see? What a celebration of LOVE! :P

[Tribble]

<snip>
So, if you have a big dick, women will worship you? Hardly feminist now is it?

Like I've said in the past, the 'old Paul' and the 'new Paul' are not the same Paul. I really think this has more to do with other things than him being some life-long in-the-closet-until-recently feminist.

I think he was making a joke more than anything. But again, it's okay when he does it.

I know he was making a joke. But the gospel of being a 'true feminist' that he now preaches says you can't do anything like that. No splash words. No innuendos. No superior/inferior roles. Hell, you can't look at a woman because it's Schrodinger's Rapist or Sexual Harassment depending on how much kool-aid ingested. You can't approach a woman because it might make her uncomfortable.

And you know what else you can't do, you can't make a 'sexually charged' joke. Like, oh, a DONGLE JOKE. Where PZ was all up in support of Dongle-gate woman. Said she did the EXACT RIGHT THING in reporting them (and getting one fired) for their joke. Which, in my book, was less sexist than this 'joke' as it was (basically) 'man-on-man' dick-size joking.

Bottom-line, I don't think we need to give PZ Myers the 'benefit of the doubt' here. This isn't my first rodeo and it seems fairly obvious to me that Myers operates like any other hypocritical leader of a sexually-repressive religious cult. It's ok for cult leader(s) (Myers & friends), who have a special dispensation, but all others must abstain.

Further, until he recently jumped into the radfem brand of feminism, he was just like so many other men. He might like women. Respect them. Enjoy being around them. But he was no radfem warrior full of enlightment and insight. He was just another old, white dude with feet of clay.

[Tribble]

Out of curiosity, does anyone here actually intend to buy The Happy Atheist?

Not only no, but HELL NO! The title alone gives me pause.

I intend to buy the print edition, slather the cover with Crisco, roll it up and rape the hell out of it.

I'm sitting at my computer laughing my ass off and my wife wants to know why... I think I'll tell her...

[Michael K Gray]

Gay marriage motion passed in South Australia
Thursday, June 20, 2013 » 11:35am

The South Australian parliament has backed the idea of same-sex marriage ahead of a move to introduce legislation.
Parliament's upper house on Wednesday passed a motion congratulating New Zealand on its marriage equality laws.
Introduced by Labor MP Gerry Kandelaars, it passed by just one vote, with the support of two members of the Liberal opposition.
The vote came ahead of Thursday's introduction of a bill in parliament's lower house to introduce same-sex marriage laws in SA.
Labor MP Susan Close will bring the bill to parliament with government MPs to be given a conscience vote.
Premier Jay Weatherill has already indicated he will vote in favour.
Australian Marriage Equality South Australian convener Harley Schumann said the bill would allow the SA parliament to achieve what it had just congratulated New Zealand on achieving.
'We look to South Australia leading the way on this important reform should similar legislation continue to fail in the federal parliament,' he said.
SA Greens MP Tammy Franks said the passage of the same-sex motion in the upper house showed the issue had support across the political divide.
She urged Opposition Leader Steven Marshall to also allow Liberal MPs a conscience vote on the legislation to go before the lower house.
Ms Franks said it was untenable for the Liberals to allow a conscience vote on a motion in the upper house but not allow one when it came to reforming the laws.
New Zealand's parliament passed a bill in April for same-sex marriage to be legally recognised from August 19.

[ThreeFlangedJavis]

<snip>However, as mentioned, I expect that “we” might find more of “them” willing to concede the point about the butthurt if more of “us” were willing to concede at least the possibilty that Lindsay’s speech was maybe too much of a blunt instrument. Even if there might have been some justification for it – even if only to get people’s attention ….

But I think there's all sorts of highly questionable nuances and different interpretations in that mess which makes the untangling rather problematic to say the least.

Blunt instrument my arse. Lindsay could barely have been more circumspect without wringing his hands pleadingly and simpering. You can't have been paying much attention if you think that making unwarranted concessions is going to get you anything more than your head mounted on the wall as a trophy.

Tends to be a question of perspective, doesn’t it? Reminds me of the joke about the cowboy who was explaining to the greenhorn how they used a couple of bricks to castrate bulls. And greenhorn said, “Jesus! Doesn’t that hurt?” And the cowboy responded with, “Not if you keep your thumbs out of the way”.

But that is the nature of issues and mediation: everyone tends to look at issues from different perspectives, and it isn’t always easy to see where the truth lies.

There is no 'truth' in this issue, and the failure to grasp that is one of the many issues I have with the anguished wailers. You are free to voice your concessions, but I think that the idea that you are going to get any reciprocation is misguided. You might argue that it is the honourable thing to do, but to do so in the hope of achieving anything is pointless.

[Steersman]

<snip>
So, if you have a big dick, women will worship you? Hardly feminist now is it?

Like I've said in the past, the 'old Paul' and the 'new Paul' are not the same Paul. I really think this has more to do with other things than him being some life-long in-the-closet-until-recently feminist.

I think he was making a joke more than anything. But again, it's okay when he does it.

I know he was making a joke. But the gospel of being a 'true feminist' that he now preaches says you can't do anything like that. No splash words.

Ok, PZ and JT are now guilty of hypocrisy because they now condemn what they themselves have done in the past. Guilt which they might absolve themselves of by saying “Hail St. Becci” and flagellating themselves in penance. Which is maybe what they have been doing.

But – by “our” standards which are, I think, the more rational and objective ones – PZ in particular is not guilty of having made a sexist joke with that “slut” comment.

Now one could maybe debate the credibilty of that last standard and whether the joke qualifies as sexist or not. But the issue of the hypocrisy is, I think, something entirely separate – and something rather more of a sticky wicket since it has a more objective set of criteria with more odious implications. However, I think it is quite important to differentiate between those two issues.

[Steersman]

<snip>
Tends to be a question of perspective, doesn’t it? Reminds me of the joke about the cowboy who was explaining to the greenhorn how they used a couple of bricks to castrate bulls. And greenhorn said, “Jesus! Doesn’t that hurt?” And the cowboy responded with, “Not if you keep your thumbs out of the way”.

But that is the nature of issues and mediation: everyone tends to look at issues from different perspectives, and it isn’t always easy to see where the truth lies.

There is no 'truth' in this issue, and the failure to grasp that is one of the many issues I have with the anguished wailers. You are free to voice your concessions, but I think that the idea that you are going to get any reciprocation is misguided. You might argue that it is the honourable thing to do, but to do so in the hope of achieving anything is pointless.

I don’t think that is true at all, in the slightest. As I indicated above in my post to Welch with the quotes of both M. A. Melby and EllenBeth Wachs:

I mean the answer to: HEY – someone associated with org-X did this obnoxious, ill-advised, or horrible thing Y – should not be met with: SHUT UP ABOUT org-X not everyone is terrible there.

The first people to take notice of my absence were slymepitters. I also learned that, contrary to popular opinion, not all of the slymepitters are scum.

Rome wasn’t built in a day. And one swallow doesn’t make a spring. But if you go around shooting the swallows that do show up, or moving corner stones that have been laid down already, it is only going to delay the process.

[free thoughtpolice]

Out of curiosity, does anyone here actually intend to buy The Happy Atheist?

Not only no, but HELL NO! The title alone gives me pause.

I intend to buy the print edition, slather the cover with Crisco, roll it up and rape the hell out of it.

I'm going to wait until Comeradde Physioproffe Mobiyye Dickkes the Happiie Atheiste in his blog so I can read for freee.

[AndrewV69]

Sadly mine didn't display these characteristics until after we were married and kids were involved.

In the end, the State terminated her parental rights and I got full custody. But it was four-years of hell for the divorce and three custody battles (all started by the State, btw). Things might have been different if I hadn't had the classic man-hating judge (seriously, this woman had SIX failed marriages and even the attorneys said shit about her conduct behind her back) who went out of her way to give the ex every break and we couldn't make traction even with the oldest child testifying in my favor to the ex's abuse and violent conduct.

Thank god the three custody trials (I piggy-backed on the State's child abuse trials) ended up in Children's Court. I still had an idiot Judge and the Guardian ad Litem was a pro-woman, men-are-bad feminist that caused it to drag out for much of those three years. But, eventually, the case over-came Judge Opie's (he looked like Opie from Mayberry RFD) jurisdictional powers and went to the head Judge who, after four hours and the asshole ex-wife pleading the 5th Amendment, found for the State and for me.

Funny thing is though. I don't even really blame her though I (and our daughters) won't go within a 100-miles of her. Bad luck for me the symptoms didn't show early. But, in the end, she is trapped in a variation of a horrible, self-reinforcing mental-illness that is rarely cured and makes her life a living hell on a daily basis as she is incapable of having any long-term human relationships, which includes even work relationships.

Over the last couple of years I have read pretty much the same story over and over from apparently different people. Unlike yours they did not exactly have a happy ending.

The ex usually has custody, denies the father access to the children who in turn has to provide alimony and child support and so on.

Not everyone apparently is gifted with the insight to determine ahead of time that the seemingly "normal" woman is going to turn out to be a "cluster B" whackjob ahead of time.

But try telling that to the usual suspects like Mykeru who really needs a kick in the cunt from time to time (I mean what else are you going to do? That boy has a skull so thick it would bend an icepick ... true story).

[AndrewV69]

So, if you have a big dick, women will worship you? Hardly feminist now is it?

Paging Scented Nectar:

Big dick (or is it a chode?) in slymepit undead thread. Verification please.

[Badger3k]

And one swallow doesn’t make a spring.

But it can make a good night!

[Hunt]

I see the Christian Post has picked up the story of AJ Johnson suing American Atheists. Pharyngula not so much.

As always, principle plays second fiddle to politics. Kind of like getting Reagan to mention the AIDS epidemic, which is probably being charitable to Reagan, since he probably didn't give a shit about AIDS victims. Pharyngula will mention it if and when it becomes unavoidable, and not if it doesn't.

[ThreeFlangedJavis]

<snip>
Tends to be a question of perspective, doesn’t it? Reminds me of the joke about the cowboy who was explaining to the greenhorn how they used a couple of bricks to castrate bulls. And greenhorn said, “Jesus! Doesn’t that hurt?” And the cowboy responded with, “Not if you keep your thumbs out of the way”.

But that is the nature of issues and mediation: everyone tends to look at issues from different perspectives, and it isn’t always easy to see where the truth lies.

There is no 'truth' in this issue, and the failure to grasp that is one of the many issues I have with the anguished wailers. You are free to voice your concessions, but I think that the idea that you are going to get any reciprocation is misguided. You might argue that it is the honourable thing to do, but to do so in the hope of achieving anything is pointless.

I don’t think that is true at all, in the slightest. As I indicated above in my post to Welch with the quotes of both M. A. Melby and EllenBeth Wachs:

I mean the answer to: HEY – someone associated with org-X did this obnoxious, ill-advised, or horrible thing Y – should not be met with: SHUT UP ABOUT org-X not everyone is terrible there.

The first people to take notice of my absence were slymepitters. I also learned that, contrary to popular opinion, not all of the slymepitters are scum.

Rome wasn’t built in a day. And one swallow doesn’t make a spring. But if you go around shooting the swallows that do show up, or moving corner stones that have been laid down already, it is only going to delay the process.

Are you suggesting that EBW's conversion came about because of a minor concession of some kind from the enemy? I rather think it was because of the treatment she herself received and I somehow doubt that differing perceptions of a portion of a speech would have been on the radar.

[Mykeru]

Sadly mine didn't display these characteristics until after we were married and kids were involved.

In the end, the State terminated her parental rights and I got full custody. But it was four-years of hell for the divorce and three custody battles (all started by the State, btw). Things might have been different if I hadn't had the classic man-hating judge (seriously, this woman had SIX failed marriages and even the attorneys said shit about her conduct behind her back) who went out of her way to give the ex every break and we couldn't make traction even with the oldest child testifying in my favor to the ex's abuse and violent conduct.

Thank god the three custody trials (I piggy-backed on the State's child abuse trials) ended up in Children's Court. I still had an idiot Judge and the Guardian ad Litem was a pro-woman, men-are-bad feminist that caused it to drag out for much of those three years. But, eventually, the case over-came Judge Opie's (he looked like Opie from Mayberry RFD) jurisdictional powers and went to the head Judge who, after four hours and the asshole ex-wife pleading the 5th Amendment, found for the State and for me.

Funny thing is though. I don't even really blame her though I (and our daughters) won't go within a 100-miles of her. Bad luck for me the symptoms didn't show early. But, in the end, she is trapped in a variation of a horrible, self-reinforcing mental-illness that is rarely cured and makes her life a living hell on a daily basis as she is incapable of having any long-term human relationships, which includes even work relationships.

Over the last couple of years I have read pretty much the same story over and over from apparently different people. Unlike yours they did not exactly have a happy ending.

The ex usually has custody, denies the father access to the children who in turn has to provide alimony and child support and so on.

Not everyone apparently is gifted with the insight to determine ahead of time that the seemingly "normal" woman is going to turn out to be a "cluster B" whackjob ahead of time.

But try telling that to the usual suspects like Mykeru who really needs a kick in the cunt from time to time (I mean what else are you going to do? That boy has a skull so thick it would bend an icepick ... true story).

OKay, you win: I just don't have your talent for picking stealth psycho women and, of course, that is my fault, the stealth psycho's fault, and, generally speaking, society is to blame.

[KiwiInOz]

YMMV has to be one of the most annoying sign-offs in the history of the world. I hereby give you permission to disagree with me.

Yeah, fuck you. Never needed your permission.

Your mileage obviously varies.

[Mykeru]

P. S.

the usual suspects like Mykeru

Go fuck yourself.

[AndrewV69]

We expect homosexuals to live this 'radical standard' every day. While straight people get married on TV shows and after drunken nights in Vegas. It grosses me out.

I think (based on my experience anyway) that marriage is overrated with lots of potential downside for at least one if not both if you split up.

All I have to say about gay marriage is you really should look into and ensure that any potential benefits (taxes, legal) outweigh the negatives (in divorce).

Be careful what you ask for, because you may get it. It is easy to get married. Getting out of it, not so much, especially if there are children involved.

For example here in BC, in the event of divorce, you could find yourself on the hook for child support for your partner's kids among other things.

[Skep tickle]

My parents divorced 40 years ago. My dad got the short end of the custody stick despite his efforts otherwise, paid child support until I was 18, and is still paying alimony (even though he's been in the weaker financial situation for ~20 yrs).

[Southern]

Out of curiosity, does anyone here actually intend to buy The Happy Atheist?

Not only no, but HELL NO! The title alone gives me pause.

I intend to buy the print edition, slather the cover with Crisco, roll it up and rape the hell out of it.

I'm going to wait until Comeradde Physioproffe Mobiyye Dickkes the Happiie Atheiste in his blog so I can read for freee.

Who knows? maybe with a lot of extra vowels, the book turns to be readable at all.

[codelette]

Andrew can you tell how many grams of gold does your precious dick weight? Or maybe it is covered with milk and honey, cause damn there's no other reason the ladies are trying to get you into that trap that's marriage.
So much butthurt over a fucking contract...

[welch]

<snip>
So, if you have a big dick, women will worship you? Hardly feminist now is it?

Like I've said in the past, the 'old Paul' and the 'new Paul' are not the same Paul. I really think this has more to do with other things than him being some life-long in-the-closet-until-recently feminist.

I think he was making a joke more than anything. But again, it's okay when he does it.

Generally agree with you. However, to really make the cheese more binding, so to speak, to make the implied charge of hypocrisy more credible, I think you have to show a case where he explicitly criticizes someone on the pit for making the exact same sort of joke.

No fair, I think, to argue – because member X of some group, say W, said A, and that some other member Y of the same group W said not-A – that one can justifiably claim either that members X and Y are guilty of hypocrisy, or that the entire group W is guilty of that.

Part of the problem with stereotyping, of inferring that since we’ve seen 10 white swans that all swans are white. Which more and more people are beginning to appreciate, for instance this comment by M. A. Melby on EllenBeth’s recent post:

I mean the answer to: HEY – someone associated with org-X did this obnoxious, ill-advised, or horrible thing Y – should not be met with: SHUT UP ABOUT org-X not everyone is terrible there.

Maybe somewhat of an echo from EllenBeth’s “not all of the slymepitters are scum”, but still a welcome step. Although I’m not sure yet whether either of them are prepared to deal with all of the consequences of those admissions.

As i've said before. When PeeZus et al decide to live up to the standards they wish to impose on everyone but them, *to the same level they demand of others*, then and only then will i give a flying fuck about nuance as it applies to them. Until then, they can all line up and hob my knob if they think i'm going to be the least bit charitable towards them.

[ThreeFlangedJavis]

Sadly mine didn't display these characteristics until after we were married and kids were involved.

In the end, the State terminated her parental rights and I got full custody. But it was four-years of hell for the divorce and three custody battles (all started by the State, btw). Things might have been different if I hadn't had the classic man-hating judge (seriously, this woman had SIX failed marriages and even the attorneys said shit about her conduct behind her back) who went out of her way to give the ex every break and we couldn't make traction even with the oldest child testifying in my favor to the ex's abuse and violent conduct.

Thank god the three custody trials (I piggy-backed on the State's child abuse trials) ended up in Children's Court. I still had an idiot Judge and the Guardian ad Litem was a pro-woman, men-are-bad feminist that caused it to drag out for much of those three years. But, eventually, the case over-came Judge Opie's (he looked like Opie from Mayberry RFD) jurisdictional powers and went to the head Judge who, after four hours and the asshole ex-wife pleading the 5th Amendment, found for the State and for me.

Funny thing is though. I don't even really blame her though I (and our daughters) won't go within a 100-miles of her. Bad luck for me the symptoms didn't show early. But, in the end, she is trapped in a variation of a horrible, self-reinforcing mental-illness that is rarely cured and makes her life a living hell on a daily basis as she is incapable of having any long-term human relationships, which includes even work relationships.

Over the last couple of years I have read pretty much the same story over and over from apparently different people. Unlike yours they did not exactly have a happy ending.

The ex usually has custody, denies the father access to the children who in turn has to provide alimony and child support and so on.

Not everyone apparently is gifted with the insight to determine ahead of time that the seemingly "normal" woman is going to turn out to be a "cluster B" whackjob ahead of time.

But try telling that to the usual suspects like Mykeru who really needs a kick in the cunt from time to time (I mean what else are you going to do? That boy has a skull so thick it would bend an icepick ... true story).

OKay, you win: I just don't have your talent for picking stealth psycho women and, of course, that is my fault, the stealth psycho's fault, and, generally speaking, society is to blame.

I strongly suspect that people are talking at cross purposes here. There are 2 issues, the fairness of the law and the propensity of evangelical 'Red Pillers' for stereotyping and dodging personal responsibility. Lack of experience, lack of intelligence and lack of education leading to unwise marriages are hardly justifications for fucked up divorce law and certainly no reason to subject anybody to a lifetime of debt and servitude.

[AndrewV69]

And one swallow doesn’t make a spring.

But it can make a good night!

[youtube]9DmJ0Wzf4zE[/youtube]

[AndrewV69]

Sadly mine didn't display these characteristics until after we were married and kids were involved.

In the end, the State terminated her parental rights and I got full custody. But it was four-years of hell for the divorce and three custody battles (all started by the State, btw). Things might have been different if I hadn't had the classic man-hating judge (seriously, this woman had SIX failed marriages and even the attorneys said shit about her conduct behind her back) who went out of her way to give the ex every break and we couldn't make traction even with the oldest child testifying in my favor to the ex's abuse and violent conduct.

Thank god the three custody trials (I piggy-backed on the State's child abuse trials) ended up in Children's Court. I still had an idiot Judge and the Guardian ad Litem was a pro-woman, men-are-bad feminist that caused it to drag out for much of those three years. But, eventually, the case over-came Judge Opie's (he looked like Opie from Mayberry RFD) jurisdictional powers and went to the head Judge who, after four hours and the asshole ex-wife pleading the 5th Amendment, found for the State and for me.

Funny thing is though. I don't even really blame her though I (and our daughters) won't go within a 100-miles of her. Bad luck for me the symptoms didn't show early. But, in the end, she is trapped in a variation of a horrible, self-reinforcing mental-illness that is rarely cured and makes her life a living hell on a daily basis as she is incapable of having any long-term human relationships, which includes even work relationships.

Over the last couple of years I have read pretty much the same story over and over from apparently different people. Unlike yours they did not exactly have a happy ending.

The ex usually has custody, denies the father access to the children who in turn has to provide alimony and child support and so on.

Not everyone apparently is gifted with the insight to determine ahead of time that the seemingly "normal" woman is going to turn out to be a "cluster B" whackjob ahead of time.

But try telling that to the usual suspects like Mykeru who really needs a kick in the cunt from time to time (I mean what else are you going to do? That boy has a skull so thick it would bend an icepick ... true story).

OKay, you win: I just don't have your talent for picking stealth psycho women and, of course, that is my fault, the stealth psycho's fault, and, generally speaking, society is to blame.

Fuck You. You underestimate the power self delusion. That is your problem right there in a nutshell.

[welch]

Out of curiosity, does anyone here actually intend to buy The Happy Atheist?

Not only no, but HELL NO! The title alone gives me pause.

I intend to buy the print edition, slather the cover with Crisco, roll it up and rape the hell out of it.

For a second, i read that as Cisco, and thought "you said 'Cisco', at that point 'rape' is redundant."

[codelette]

Ok, ok, I guess a whole bunch of people around here have forgotten about the causes behind the strict child support laws. Once upon a time, deadbeat motherfuckers decided that abandoning their wives with a couple children behind to get some fresh pussy had no consequences. That shit created a whole bunch of social problems and the situation was overcorrected by passing some tough ass laws.
Bottom line: you don't want to pay child support? Don't get anybody pregnant. You don't get anyone pregnant by cutting those tubes inside your balls. So, grow a pair. Get fixed. Stop complaining about mandates from the court to support the children that are 50% yours.

the end.


PS. Feminists pissed the fuck out of me, but MRAs seem to have more sand on their vaginas.

[another lurker]

Andrew can you tell how many grams of gold does your precious dick weight? Or maybe it is covered with milk and honey, cause damn there's no other reason the ladies are trying to get you into that trap that's marriage.
So much butthurt over a fucking contract...

This made me LOL, and I like Andrew (most of the time).

[welch]

Sadly mine didn't display these characteristics until after we were married and kids were involved.

In the end, the State terminated her parental rights and I got full custody. But it was four-years of hell for the divorce and three custody battles (all started by the State, btw). Things might have been different if I hadn't had the classic man-hating judge (seriously, this woman had SIX failed marriages and even the attorneys said shit about her conduct behind her back) who went out of her way to give the ex every break and we couldn't make traction even with the oldest child testifying in my favor to the ex's abuse and violent conduct.

Thank god the three custody trials (I piggy-backed on the State's child abuse trials) ended up in Children's Court. I still had an idiot Judge and the Guardian ad Litem was a pro-woman, men-are-bad feminist that caused it to drag out for much of those three years. But, eventually, the case over-came Judge Opie's (he looked like Opie from Mayberry RFD) jurisdictional powers and went to the head Judge who, after four hours and the asshole ex-wife pleading the 5th Amendment, found for the State and for me.

Funny thing is though. I don't even really blame her though I (and our daughters) won't go within a 100-miles of her. Bad luck for me the symptoms didn't show early. But, in the end, she is trapped in a variation of a horrible, self-reinforcing mental-illness that is rarely cured and makes her life a living hell on a daily basis as she is incapable of having any long-term human relationships, which includes even work relationships.

Over the last couple of years I have read pretty much the same story over and over from apparently different people. Unlike yours they did not exactly have a happy ending.

The ex usually has custody, denies the father access to the children who in turn has to provide alimony and child support and so on.

Not everyone apparently is gifted with the insight to determine ahead of time that the seemingly "normal" woman is going to turn out to be a "cluster B" whackjob ahead of time.

But try telling that to the usual suspects like Mykeru who really needs a kick in the cunt from time to time (I mean what else are you going to do? That boy has a skull so thick it would bend an icepick ... true story).

yes, yes, and the husband was a perfect angel who had nary a cross word for even the mosquito biting him.

I have yet to see ANY divorce where both sides weren't the asshole.

[Kareem]

So, grow a pair. Get fixed.

But if they don't do that first step, the second becomes redundant.
:rimshot:

[Tkmlac]

Greetings and go fuck yourself my fellow 'Pitters,

I want to undertake some bold fundraising for the Light The Night Walk. Ironically, my team captain (a friend from the UC Davis student atheist group) wants us to walk in honor of Greta Christina. :) I don't mind. None of the money goes to the shoes, it goes to L&LS.

Anyway, if you guys can spread the link to my fundraising page, I'd really appreciate it.

http://pages.lightthenight.org/sac/Sacra13/KGraham

I was really inspired by Renee Hendrick's raising 5k for Operation Smile.

[welch]

Sadly mine didn't display these characteristics until after we were married and kids were involved.

In the end, the State terminated her parental rights and I got full custody. But it was four-years of hell for the divorce and three custody battles (all started by the State, btw). Things might have been different if I hadn't had the classic man-hating judge (seriously, this woman had SIX failed marriages and even the attorneys said shit about her conduct behind her back) who went out of her way to give the ex every break and we couldn't make traction even with the oldest child testifying in my favor to the ex's abuse and violent conduct.

Thank god the three custody trials (I piggy-backed on the State's child abuse trials) ended up in Children's Court. I still had an idiot Judge and the Guardian ad Litem was a pro-woman, men-are-bad feminist that caused it to drag out for much of those three years. But, eventually, the case over-came Judge Opie's (he looked like Opie from Mayberry RFD) jurisdictional powers and went to the head Judge who, after four hours and the asshole ex-wife pleading the 5th Amendment, found for the State and for me.

Funny thing is though. I don't even really blame her though I (and our daughters) won't go within a 100-miles of her. Bad luck for me the symptoms didn't show early. But, in the end, she is trapped in a variation of a horrible, self-reinforcing mental-illness that is rarely cured and makes her life a living hell on a daily basis as she is incapable of having any long-term human relationships, which includes even work relationships.

Over the last couple of years I have read pretty much the same story over and over from apparently different people. Unlike yours they did not exactly have a happy ending.

The ex usually has custody, denies the father access to the children who in turn has to provide alimony and child support and so on.

Not everyone apparently is gifted with the insight to determine ahead of time that the seemingly "normal" woman is going to turn out to be a "cluster B" whackjob ahead of time.

But try telling that to the usual suspects like Mykeru who really needs a kick in the cunt from time to time (I mean what else are you going to do? That boy has a skull so thick it would bend an icepick ... true story).

OKay, you win: I just don't have your talent for picking stealth psycho women and, of course, that is my fault, the stealth psycho's fault, and, generally speaking, society is to blame.

I strongly suspect that people are talking at cross purposes here. There are 2 issues, the fairness of the law and the propensity of evangelical 'Red Pillers' for stereotyping and dodging personal responsibility. Lack of experience, lack of intelligence and lack of education leading to unwise marriages are hardly justifications for fucked up divorce law and certainly no reason to subject anybody to a lifetime of debt and servitude.

However, the fucked-up-pedness of marriage law being the fault of women is hilarious given the fact of the lack of any female majority in legislative power. Men, by and large, wrote those laws, and wrote a fairly good chunk of them before second/third wave feminism had ANY form of influence.

What the MGTOW twonks don't want to admit is the laws and attitudes they bitch about are largely a result of the paternal infantilization of women. If men actually treated women as equals and actually believed that, getting more equity in the laws would be fairly easy. But, they don't, not even close, and so women are some kind of addled child-class that needs "protection" from, well, everything.

[welch]

Ok, ok, I guess a whole bunch of people around here have forgotten about the causes behind the strict child support laws. Once upon a time, deadbeat motherfuckers decided that abandoning their wives with a couple children behind to get some fresh pussy had no consequences. That shit created a whole bunch of social problems and the situation was overcorrected by passing some tough ass laws.
Bottom line: you don't want to pay child support? Don't get anybody pregnant. You don't get anyone pregnant by cutting those tubes inside your balls. So, grow a pair. Get fixed. Stop complaining about mandates from the court to support the children that are 50% yours.

the end.


PS. Feminists pissed the fuck out of me, but MRAs seem to have more sand on their vaginas.

Oh now you're just bringing reality into it. Where's the fun in THAT.

[AndrewV69]

Andrew can you tell how many grams of gold does your precious dick weight?

I dunno. I am too busy investigating other far more weighty matters of vital import. Your petty concerns will have to wait.
[youtube]nKx64KH7Xks[/youtube]

Or maybe it is covered with milk and honey, cause damn there's no other reason the ladies are trying to get you into that trap that's marriage.
So much butthurt over a fucking contract...

On a more serious note: My divorce solution was simple. I gave the ex a property to manage (I still retain the title though) and left it up to her to extract as much income from it as she chose. If she wants more income, all she has to do is increase the rents.

[Mykeru]

Sadly mine didn't display these characteristics until after we were married and kids were involved.

In the end, the State terminated her parental rights and I got full custody. But it was four-years of hell for the divorce and three custody battles (all started by the State, btw). Things might have been different if I hadn't had the classic man-hating judge (seriously, this woman had SIX failed marriages and even the attorneys said shit about her conduct behind her back) who went out of her way to give the ex every break and we couldn't make traction even with the oldest child testifying in my favor to the ex's abuse and violent conduct.

Thank god the three custody trials (I piggy-backed on the State's child abuse trials) ended up in Children's Court. I still had an idiot Judge and the Guardian ad Litem was a pro-woman, men-are-bad feminist that caused it to drag out for much of those three years. But, eventually, the case over-came Judge Opie's (he looked like Opie from Mayberry RFD) jurisdictional powers and went to the head Judge who, after four hours and the asshole ex-wife pleading the 5th Amendment, found for the State and for me.

Funny thing is though. I don't even really blame her though I (and our daughters) won't go within a 100-miles of her. Bad luck for me the symptoms didn't show early. But, in the end, she is trapped in a variation of a horrible, self-reinforcing mental-illness that is rarely cured and makes her life a living hell on a daily basis as she is incapable of having any long-term human relationships, which includes even work relationships.

Over the last couple of years I have read pretty much the same story over and over from apparently different people. Unlike yours they did not exactly have a happy ending.

The ex usually has custody, denies the father access to the children who in turn has to provide alimony and child support and so on.

Not everyone apparently is gifted with the insight to determine ahead of time that the seemingly "normal" woman is going to turn out to be a "cluster B" whackjob ahead of time.

But try telling that to the usual suspects like Mykeru who really needs a kick in the cunt from time to time (I mean what else are you going to do? That boy has a skull so thick it would bend an icepick ... true story).

OKay, you win: I just don't have your talent for picking stealth psycho women and, of course, that is my fault, the stealth psycho's fault, and, generally speaking, society is to blame.

I strongly suspect that people are talking at cross purposes here. There are 2 issues, the fairness of the law and the propensity of evangelical 'Red Pillers' for stereotyping and dodging personal responsibility. Lack of experience, lack of intelligence and lack of education leading to unwise marriages are hardly justifications for fucked up divorce law and certainly no reason to subject anybody to a lifetime of debt and servitude.

Well, I had already said (here, there and everywhere) that the court system, the practice of alimony based on archaic gender assumptions, the cherry-picking of gender roles and a bunch of other stuff are legitimate concerns, and things for which we need an MRM to address.

But that's not the point. Assholes like Andrew are Social Justice Warriors at heart. They need enemies and if you are not willing to follow them from reason to their extrapolation to a bunch of personal and psychologically revealing ax-grinding bullshit, then you are the enemy they need.

Really, fuck Andrew. You can have better conversations with a Big Mouth Billy Bass:

[youtube]6WC6EbRQmJ0[/youtube]

[Mykeru]

Out of curiosity, does anyone here actually intend to buy The Happy Atheist?

Not only no, but HELL NO! The title alone gives me pause.

I intend to buy the print edition, slather the cover with Crisco, roll it up and rape the hell out of it.

For a second, i read that as Cisco, and thought "you said 'Cisco', at that point 'rape' is redundant."

No, that would be Norton Utilities. It's like a medieval mace up the ass, but as much as it hurts, you can't pull it out.

[Mykeru]

Sadly mine didn't display these characteristics until after we were married and kids were involved.

In the end, the State terminated her parental rights and I got full custody. But it was four-years of hell for the divorce and three custody battles (all started by the State, btw). Things might have been different if I hadn't had the classic man-hating judge (seriously, this woman had SIX failed marriages and even the attorneys said shit about her conduct behind her back) who went out of her way to give the ex every break and we couldn't make traction even with the oldest child testifying in my favor to the ex's abuse and violent conduct.

Thank god the three custody trials (I piggy-backed on the State's child abuse trials) ended up in Children's Court. I still had an idiot Judge and the Guardian ad Litem was a pro-woman, men-are-bad feminist that caused it to drag out for much of those three years. But, eventually, the case over-came Judge Opie's (he looked like Opie from Mayberry RFD) jurisdictional powers and went to the head Judge who, after four hours and the asshole ex-wife pleading the 5th Amendment, found for the State and for me.

Funny thing is though. I don't even really blame her though I (and our daughters) won't go within a 100-miles of her. Bad luck for me the symptoms didn't show early. But, in the end, she is trapped in a variation of a horrible, self-reinforcing mental-illness that is rarely cured and makes her life a living hell on a daily basis as she is incapable of having any long-term human relationships, which includes even work relationships.

Over the last couple of years I have read pretty much the same story over and over from apparently different people. Unlike yours they did not exactly have a happy ending.

The ex usually has custody, denies the father access to the children who in turn has to provide alimony and child support and so on.

Not everyone apparently is gifted with the insight to determine ahead of time that the seemingly "normal" woman is going to turn out to be a "cluster B" whackjob ahead of time.

But try telling that to the usual suspects like Mykeru who really needs a kick in the cunt from time to time (I mean what else are you going to do? That boy has a skull so thick it would bend an icepick ... true story).

OKay, you win: I just don't have your talent for picking stealth psycho women and, of course, that is my fault, the stealth psycho's fault, and, generally speaking, society is to blame.

Fuck You. You underestimate the power self delusion. That is your problem right there in a nutshell.

Not yours, sparkle pony.

[Parody Accountant]

Out of curiosity, does anyone here actually intend to buy The Happy Atheist?

Not only no, but HELL NO! The title alone gives me pause.

I intend to buy the print edition, slather the cover with Crisco, roll it up and rape the hell out of it.

I've interpreted this as possibly a joke - but just as likely to be a promise.

Make sure you remove the geo-location tags from the EXIF data when you upload the pics. They'll dox you again. Again.

[welch]

Out of curiosity, does anyone here actually intend to buy The Happy Atheist?

Not only no, but HELL NO! The title alone gives me pause.

I intend to buy the print edition, slather the cover with Crisco, roll it up and rape the hell out of it.

For a second, i read that as Cisco, and thought "you said 'Cisco', at that point 'rape' is redundant."

No, that would be Norton Utilities. It's like a medieval mace up the ass, but as much as it hurts, you can't pull it out.

Wait, pre-Symantec or post-Symantec?

[JAB]

We expect homosexuals to live this 'radical standard' every day. While straight people get married on TV shows and after drunken nights in Vegas. It grosses me out.

I think (based on my experience anyway) that marriage is overrated with lots of potential downside for at least one if not both if you split up.

All I have to say about gay marriage is you really should look into and ensure that any potential benefits (taxes, legal) outweigh the negatives (in divorce).

Be careful what you ask for, because you may get it. It is easy to get married. Getting out of it, not so much, especially if there are children involved.

For example here in BC, in the event of divorce, you could find yourself on the hook for child support for your partner's kids among other things.

Well, if you've put yourself in the position of parent, as I did when I married someone with kids, then I think child support may be appropriate. When my relationship with my ex fell apart, it didn't mean my relationship with my step kids did. Granted I didn't go for custody as that would be unlikely I imagine, but I didn't mind transferring the amount of money that would keep the two households at about the same level. When that happened, I just moved out and we agreed on an amount. We didn't actually do any paperwork until the youngest wasn't a minor any more because I didn't need the court to tell me what my obligations were. I got the forms from the court at that time, filled them out, paid the fees etc. No lawyers. I tried in general over that period to live close enough that the kids could walk over and drop in whenever, and I continued to do things like coach their soccer etc. Maybe I got off easy, although I could maybe have got off cheaper if I'd run to the courts instead of using my own conscience be my guide. It's just money though.

I take my kids and grandkids on camping holidays, they all refer to me as their dad, and I think of them as my kids. They drop in and call etc. Only one of the five lives in town at the moment, and he was out of town on the weekend, so he took me out for a fathers day dinner when he got back on Tuesday. My ex took me out to lunch on fathers day and I got calls from everyone. I don't mind that I had to shell out cash to see that their teen years were manageable at all. I didn't get divorced to improve my finances... my chances of being rich were pretty much sunk when I got married and I knew that.

[Mykeru]

Ok, ok, I guess a whole bunch of people around here have forgotten about the causes behind the strict child support laws. Once upon a time, deadbeat motherfuckers decided that abandoning their wives with a couple children behind to get some fresh pussy had no consequences. That shit created a whole bunch of social problems and the situation was overcorrected by passing some tough ass laws.
Bottom line: you don't want to pay child support? Don't get anybody pregnant. You don't get anyone pregnant by cutting those tubes inside your balls. So, grow a pair. Get fixed. Stop complaining about mandates from the court to support the children that are 50% yours.

the end.


PS. Feminists pissed the fuck out of me, but MRAs seem to have more sand on their vaginas.

1. I find the idea that men get someone pregnant in this "my body, my choice" age, handing men all the responsibility and none of the power, to be a vast gender-sociological dick move.

2. Don't underestimate the soul-destroying nightmare of pussy beyond its expiration date.

3. The fucker isn't a MRA, he's a MGTOW. A MGTOW is like someone who had a business failure and makes a big show of rejecting the very idea of success, mostly to give the false impression it was a choice they were making.

4. If you melted down the sand in these guy's vaginas you could make a paperweight the size of the Astrodome.

[Mykeru]

Wait, pre-Symantec or post-Symantec?

Pre. It was like a dose of the clap, pre-antibiotics. After I had to format a drive to get rid of the fucker, I learned to avoid it.

[ReneeHendricks]

Greetings and go fuck yourself my fellow 'Pitters,

I want to undertake some bold fundraising for the Light The Night Walk. Ironically, my team captain (a friend from the UC Davis student atheist group) wants us to walk in honor of Greta Christina. :) I don't mind. None of the money goes to the shoes, it goes to L&LS.

Anyway, if you guys can spread the link to my fundraising page, I'd really appreciate it.

http://pages.lightthenight.org/sac/Sacra13/KGraham

I was really inspired by Renee Hendrick's raising 5k for Operation Smile.

Kinda cool to be an inspiration :D I'll put out the word as much as possible!

[Steersman]

<snip>
yes, yes, and the husband was a perfect angel who had nary a cross word for even the mosquito biting him.

I have yet to see ANY divorce where both sides weren't the asshole.

Tends to bring out the best in both, doesn't it?
Certainly a great many cases where one is worse or more at fault than the other, but I rather doubt that, statistically speaking, there's all that much difference in the actual numbers by sex ....

[Mykeru]

Greetings and go fuck yourself my fellow 'Pitters,

I want to undertake some bold fundraising for the Light The Night Walk. Ironically, my team captain (a friend from the UC Davis student atheist group) wants us to walk in honor of Greta Christina. :) I don't mind. None of the money goes to the shoes, it goes to L&LS.

Anyway, if you guys can spread the link to my fundraising page, I'd really appreciate it.

http://pages.lightthenight.org/sac/Sacra13/KGraham

I was really inspired by Renee Hendrick's raising 5k for Operation Smile.

Kinda cool to be an inspiration :D I'll put out the word as much as possible!

Yeah? Well, go fuck yourself, do-gooder!

[welch]

Wait, pre-Symantec or post-Symantec?

Pre. It was like a dose of the clap, pre-antibiotics. After I had to format a drive to get rid of the fucker, I learned to avoid it.

Gotta disagree then. Pre-symantec, Norton was damned useful. Between it and PC Tools 4 for DOS, you could fix some seriously fucked up problems.

[welch]

<snip>
yes, yes, and the husband was a perfect angel who had nary a cross word for even the mosquito biting him.

I have yet to see ANY divorce where both sides weren't the asshole.

Tends to bring out the best in both, doesn't it?
Certainly a great many cases where one is worse or more at fault than the other, but I rather doubt that, statistically speaking, there's all that much difference in the actual numbers by sex ....

I find that when you scratch the surface of any particularly ugly divorce, you wonder a) how either of those jackasses could get laid in a morgue, and b) how stupid are they for leaving the only human being willing to put up with them for longer than it takes the sound from their mouths to hit someone else's ears.

[Mykeru]

<snip>
yes, yes, and the husband was a perfect angel who had nary a cross word for even the mosquito biting him.

I have yet to see ANY divorce where both sides weren't the asshole.

Tends to bring out the best in both, doesn't it?
Certainly a great many cases where one is worse or more at fault than the other, but I rather doubt that, statistically speaking, there's all that much difference in the actual numbers by sex ....

I find that when you scratch the surface of any particularly ugly divorce, you wonder a) how either of those jackasses could get laid in a morgue, and b) how stupid are they for leaving the only human being willing to put up with them for longer than it takes the sound from their mouths to hit someone else's ears.

Mostly one or both break up because they figure they can "do better". Then it doesn't take long to realize "doing better" involves talking to oneself, gaining 40 lbs and masterbating.

Of course, with MGTOWs, that's just a brave stand they're making. For us all. Altruistic fuckers.

[Mykeru]

Wait, pre-Symantec or post-Symantec?

Pre. It was like a dose of the clap, pre-antibiotics. After I had to format a drive to get rid of the fucker, I learned to avoid it.

Gotta disagree then. Pre-symantec, Norton was damned useful. Between it and PC Tools 4 for DOS, you could fix some seriously fucked up problems.

Maybe I just don't remember when Symantec came into the mix. PTSD, or something.

[codelette]

Ok, ok, I guess a whole bunch of people around here have forgotten about the causes behind the strict child support laws. Once upon a time, deadbeat motherfuckers decided that abandoning their wives with a couple children behind to get some fresh pussy had no consequences. That shit created a whole bunch of social problems and the situation was overcorrected by passing some tough ass laws.
Bottom line: you don't want to pay child support? Don't get anybody pregnant. You don't get anyone pregnant by cutting those tubes inside your balls. So, grow a pair. Get fixed. Stop complaining about mandates from the court to support the children that are 50% yours.

the end.


PS. Feminists pissed the fuck out of me, but MRAs seem to have more sand on their vaginas.

1. I find the idea that men get someone pregnant in this "my body, my choice" age, handing men all the responsibility and none of the power, to be a vast gender-sociological dick move.

2. Don't underestimate the soul-destroying nightmare of pussy beyond its expiration date.

3. The fucker isn't a MRA, he's a MGTOW. A MGTOW is like someone who had a business failure and makes a big show of rejecting the very idea of success, mostly to give the false impression it was a choice they were making.

4. If you melted down the sand in these guy's vaginas you could make a paperweight the size of the Astrodome.

I'm not handling all the responsibility to men; pregnancy is always a 50-50 deal. "Getting someone pregnant" is an expression that means ..."you got someone pregnant".
Some idiots on the other side of the equation think that reminding then of the fact that even when a woman is a pro at keeping their vaginas barren, methods still can fail and they will still have 50% of the load should the kid's born.
Therefore, instead of blindly trusting your fate to the woman you are fucking...I dunno, you can be more proactive, and use a combo of condoms and cutting the tubes so as to avoid the trap that is child support (cause making sure that your children are fed is a fucking burden).

[By "you" I mean the allegorical, not you you.]

[Mykeru]

Ok, ok, I guess a whole bunch of people around here have forgotten about the causes behind the strict child support laws. Once upon a time, deadbeat motherfuckers decided that abandoning their wives with a couple children behind to get some fresh pussy had no consequences. That shit created a whole bunch of social problems and the situation was overcorrected by passing some tough ass laws.
Bottom line: you don't want to pay child support? Don't get anybody pregnant. You don't get anyone pregnant by cutting those tubes inside your balls. So, grow a pair. Get fixed. Stop complaining about mandates from the court to support the children that are 50% yours.

the end.


PS. Feminists pissed the fuck out of me, but MRAs seem to have more sand on their vaginas.

1. I find the idea that men get someone pregnant in this "my body, my choice" age, handing men all the responsibility and none of the power, to be a vast gender-sociological dick move.

2. Don't underestimate the soul-destroying nightmare of pussy beyond its expiration date.

3. The fucker isn't a MRA, he's a MGTOW. A MGTOW is like someone who had a business failure and makes a big show of rejecting the very idea of success, mostly to give the false impression it was a choice they were making.

4. If you melted down the sand in these guy's vaginas you could make a paperweight the size of the Astrodome.

I'm not handling all the responsibility to men; pregnancy is always a 50-50 deal. "Getting someone pregnant" is an expression that means ..."you got someone pregnant".
Some idiots on the other side of the equation think that reminding then of the fact that even when a woman is a pro at keeping their vaginas barren, methods still can fail and they will still have 50% of the load should the kid's born.
Therefore, instead of blindly trusting your fate to the woman you are fucking...I dunno, you can be more proactive, and use a combo of condoms and cutting the tubes so as to avoid the trap that is child support (cause making sure that your children are fed is a fucking burden).

[By "you" I mean the allegorical, not you you.]

Fuck that shit, do you understand that nothing is worse than a bad clam?

[welch]

Wait, pre-Symantec or post-Symantec?

Pre. It was like a dose of the clap, pre-antibiotics. After I had to format a drive to get rid of the fucker, I learned to avoid it.

Gotta disagree then. Pre-symantec, Norton was damned useful. Between it and PC Tools 4 for DOS, you could fix some seriously fucked up problems.

Maybe I just don't remember when Symantec came into the mix. PTSD, or something.

it was a while ago. Like in 93-94 IIRC.

[Steersman]

<snip>
Rome wasn’t built in a day. And one swallow doesn’t make a spring. But if you go around shooting the swallows that do show up, or moving corner stones that have been laid down already, it is only going to delay the process.

Are you suggesting that EBW's conversion came about because of a minor concession of some kind from the enemy? I rather think it was because of the treatment she herself received and I somehow doubt that differing perceptions of a portion of a speech would have been on the radar.

No, not entirely.

While DongleGate was, no doubt, a major factor in that “conversion”, that epiphany, my impression is that a great many positive actions on the part of many here contributed to it. But that in turn is, no doubt, likely to be a contributing factor in changing outside opinions of the Pit, of “our” side in general. For instance, I note that EllenBeth has recently reblogged a post of Welch’s – do you think that – and EllenBeth’s previous conclusion – would have taken place if he, and many others here, hadn’t been promoting reasonable and evidence-based criticisms (generally) of FTB and company, hadn’t been out there “witnessing to the heathens”?

But none of those criticisms are going to fly if it looks like “we” have our own biases, prejudices and hypocrises.

[codelette]

Ok, ok, I guess a whole bunch of people around here have forgotten about the causes behind the strict child support laws. Once upon a time, deadbeat motherfuckers decided that abandoning their wives with a couple children behind to get some fresh pussy had no consequences. That shit created a whole bunch of social problems and the situation was overcorrected by passing some tough ass laws.
Bottom line: you don't want to pay child support? Don't get anybody pregnant. You don't get anyone pregnant by cutting those tubes inside your balls. So, grow a pair. Get fixed. Stop complaining about mandates from the court to support the children that are 50% yours.

the end.


PS. Feminists pissed the fuck out of me, but MRAs seem to have more sand on their vaginas.

1. I find the idea that men get someone pregnant in this "my body, my choice" age, handing men all the responsibility and none of the power, to be a vast gender-sociological dick move.

2. Don't underestimate the soul-destroying nightmare of pussy beyond its expiration date.

3. The fucker isn't a MRA, he's a MGTOW. A MGTOW is like someone who had a business failure and makes a big show of rejecting the very idea of success, mostly to give the false impression it was a choice they were making.

4. If you melted down the sand in these guy's vaginas you could make a paperweight the size of the Astrodome.

I'm not handling all the responsibility to men; pregnancy is always a 50-50 deal. "Getting someone pregnant" is an expression that means ..."you got someone pregnant".
Some idiots on the other side of the equation think that reminding then of the fact that even when a woman is a pro at keeping their vaginas barren, methods still can fail and they will still have 50% of the load should the kid's born.
Therefore, instead of blindly trusting your fate to the woman you are fucking...I dunno, you can be more proactive, and use a combo of condoms and cutting the tubes so as to avoid the trap that is child support (cause making sure that your children are fed is a fucking burden).

[By "you" I mean the allegorical, not you you.]

Fuck that shit, do you understand that nothing is worse than a bad clam?

I have not received my dose of red pills to understand. :cry:

Talking about pills, came across your Twitter discussion regarding anxiety and benzos. I am so glad I received a lot of good info from various medical experts when I got a prescription for those.

[AndrewV69]

But that's not the point. Assholes like Andrew are Social Justice Warriors at heart. They need enemies and if you are not willing to follow them from reason to their extrapolation to a bunch of personal and psychologically revealing ax-grinding bullshit, then you are the enemy they need.

Haha!

You just went all Setar in addition to making an argument I did not make. Here is a clue seeing as a 2X4 makes no nevermind on your haid. Perhaps you should re-read a comment you recently made at AVfM?

[AndrewV69]

Fuck You. You underestimate the power self delusion. That is your problem right there in a nutshell.

Not yours, sparkle pony.

Of course not. I am firm and resolute. You are just stubborn and pigheaded.

[Mykeru]

Ok, ok, I guess a whole bunch of people around here have forgotten about the causes behind the strict child support laws. Once upon a time, deadbeat motherfuckers decided that abandoning their wives with a couple children behind to get some fresh pussy had no consequences. That shit created a whole bunch of social problems and the situation was overcorrected by passing some tough ass laws.
Bottom line: you don't want to pay child support? Don't get anybody pregnant. You don't get anyone pregnant by cutting those tubes inside your balls. So, grow a pair. Get fixed. Stop complaining about mandates from the court to support the children that are 50% yours.

the end.


PS. Feminists pissed the fuck out of me, but MRAs seem to have more sand on their vaginas.

1. I find the idea that men get someone pregnant in this "my body, my choice" age, handing men all the responsibility and none of the power, to be a vast gender-sociological dick move.

2. Don't underestimate the soul-destroying nightmare of pussy beyond its expiration date.

3. The fucker isn't a MRA, he's a MGTOW. A MGTOW is like someone who had a business failure and makes a big show of rejecting the very idea of success, mostly to give the false impression it was a choice they were making.

4. If you melted down the sand in these guy's vaginas you could make a paperweight the size of the Astrodome.

I'm not handling all the responsibility to men; pregnancy is always a 50-50 deal. "Getting someone pregnant" is an expression that means ..."you got someone pregnant".
Some idiots on the other side of the equation think that reminding then of the fact that even when a woman is a pro at keeping their vaginas barren, methods still can fail and they will still have 50% of the load should the kid's born.
Therefore, instead of blindly trusting your fate to the woman you are fucking...I dunno, you can be more proactive, and use a combo of condoms and cutting the tubes so as to avoid the trap that is child support (cause making sure that your children are fed is a fucking burden).

[By "you" I mean the allegorical, not you you.]

Fuck that shit, do you understand that nothing is worse than a bad clam?

I have not received my dose of red pills to understand. :cry:

Talking about pills, came across your Twitter discussion regarding anxiety and benzos. I am so glad I received a lot of good info from various medical experts when I got a prescription for those.

I still come across people who get prescribed that stuff like candy. One was a 25 year old fitness instructor at the gym I go to. She started having panic attacks and I explained to her that if there was ever anyone who died from a panic attack, it wasn't a 25 year-old fitness instructor. Yet her doctor, who probably got a days training in addiction, prescribed both Klonopin and Xanax for her. I talked her through things to do because, like a newb, she didn't realize the only way out from a panic attack is through the other side. I basically shared all my experience and it did help her. She started telling me every time she had one and we'd basically debrief.

The best news was she hasn't taken any of that stuff for weeks, although she was doing a Xanax a day, and then taking it anticipatory, which is the road to hell. She was also starting to avoid situations where she might have one, which just makes it free-float and more situations get added to the list of things that "cause" a panic attack. They don't as a panic attack is just a triggering of the flight or fight response, and associating it with any situation is usually conditioned and often ad hoc.

I have to check to see if she followed up with cognitive and behavior therapy. That's the real answer, or at least the answer that lets everyone find their own answer, as it's different for each person.

Benzos isn't even close to an answer.

[Mykeru]

Fuck You. You underestimate the power self delusion. That is your problem right there in a nutshell.

Not yours, sparkle pony.

Of course not. I am firm and resolute. You are just stubborn and pigheaded.

The lies you tell yourself.

[AndrewV69]

I take my kids and grandkids on camping holidays, they all refer to me as their dad, and I think of them as my kids. They drop in and call etc. Only one of the five lives in town at the moment, and he was out of town on the weekend, so he took me out for a fathers day dinner when he got back on Tuesday. My ex took me out to lunch on fathers day and I got calls from everyone. I don't mind that I had to shell out cash to see that their teen years were manageable at all. I didn't get divorced to improve my finances... my chances of being rich were pretty much sunk when I got married and I knew that.

I know other people who it has worked out fairly well also. I suspect a lot of it has to do with people genuinely putting the interest of the children before any other considerations.

Not getting the law involved seems to go a long way towards that also.

In my case it would have involved the complications of international jurisdictions. For example over the years I got several calls from Canukistan officials about my children's passports and they explicitly wanted to know if I wished to veto the granting and renewal of those passports.

Each time they did that I had to wonder what they were thinking. Yes I know that it is probably related to child custody disputes.

But in my case they could clearly see that my kids could easily get a different passport (I have three passports myself) so it is not as if they did not have options. Bureaucratic rules must be followed even where they make no sense.

[welch]

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Rome wasn’t built in a day. And one swallow doesn’t make a spring. But if you go around shooting the swallows that do show up, or moving corner stones that have been laid down already, it is only going to delay the process.

Are you suggesting that EBW's conversion came about because of a minor concession of some kind from the enemy? I rather think it was because of the treatment she herself received and I somehow doubt that differing perceptions of a portion of a speech would have been on the radar.

No, not entirely.

While DongleGate was, no doubt, a major factor in that “conversion”, that epiphany, my impression is that a great many positive actions on the part of many here contributed to it. But that in turn is, no doubt, likely to be a contributing factor in changing outside opinions of the Pit, of “our” side in general. For instance, I note that EllenBeth has recently reblogged a post of Welch’s – do you think that – and EllenBeth’s previous conclusion – would have taken place if he, and many others here, hadn’t been promoting reasonable and evidence-based criticisms (generally) of FTB and company, hadn’t been out there “witnessing to the heathens”?

But none of those criticisms are going to fly if it looks like “we” have our own biases, prejudices and hypocrises.

well of course we do. The point isn't that we're perfect. The point is we aren't denying our mistakes.