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Mykeru wrote:
decius wrote:Mykeru, I used to think all your bravado and over-the-top rhetoric was showmanship and part of an elaborate internet persona, and I've always held it as a positive model of how to push boundaries without being obnoxious.
But recently you're coming across as a genuinely angry person. I guess I've been wrong all this time. Or perhaps you really need to take a break.

Yes I know, I'm nobody.
Now I'm at fault for not being all persona?

Wow.
No, that isn't the reason.

I didn't conjure that picture out of thin air - it was a significant part of the message contained in your Clowns video and early posts here. How unthreatening your shooting remarks were, how innocuous you are to man and beast alike.

Now it seems you want to have it both ways, which is surprising coming from an epistemologist. Or may be your videos are after all works of fiction.

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Southern wrote:
Lsuoma wrote:
ReneeHendricks wrote:Kind of surprised at the amount of panty-wadding over Mykeru. Also a bit surprised over the "oh, what about delicate fee-fees?" kind of crap coming in here. Are we shedding our thick skins and meandering over to the SJW side?
It's all certainly boring the arse off me...
So, start the bans already! Ceepolk and Flewelyn are getting very disappointed with your way of running things here, Lsuoma.

Besides, I think Greta would not be offended with an offhanded wish for her to die. Saying that her Fluevogs are ugly, overpiced pieces of shit, however, can strike a nerve. Take care, Mykeru.
Mykeru was referring to Amina with his:
I can simultaneously think she is

1. Brave

2. Has a weird-looking ugly ass body that seems to be formed by separate loosely connected balloon-like compartments of greasy fluid with some dumb-assed shit written on it.

3. Should probably be killed, just on general principle and logical necessity.
not ReGreta (see #2)

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Zenspace wrote:
Southern wrote:
Zenspace wrote:
TedDahlberg wrote:
ThreeFlangedJavis wrote:If I get angry it seldom lasts long enough to type and submit. Plus, I'm as boring as fuck and OK with it. Getting angry because someone on the internet doesn't see things the same way is not the path to a happy life.
I do try my best to be a good Stoic. It's amazing how much happier you can be if you don't let the outside world dictate your feelings. But it's easier some days than others :violin:
This is the path to inner peace, or at least superficial happiness. :lol:

Seriously, though, it works. Stop making yourself a voluntary pin cushion for everyone else's little hurts and offenses and you will lead a much happier life. The human race is just a bunch of apes with bronze age minds and nuclear age weaponry. We will eventually fuck ourselves over terminally, and probably do it in a very spectacular way. Either that or it will just be a pathetic whimper. FftB/Skepchick/A+ et al are just a local symptom of a much, much larger problem inherent to the species. I would like to slow the descent as much as possible, but that is about all one can realistically hope for.
You know, I'm usually a grumpy bastard, but I do have a lot of hope in our little human race's future. We have been doing some awesome things and reaching some incredible advancement over the last hundred years or so, and I think it's a matter of time and opportunity for us to solve problems that today seems to doom us to a bleak future.

We're awesome, that's all I'm saying. Fuck Mother Nature and her stupid rules; one day, we'll send her ass to the kitchen and make her spend her entire miserable life making us sammiches while we clean Earth with nanobots, mine other planets for resources and make the best of our brains and our opposable thumbs. Of course, we have a loooong way to go on that, but I'm pretty optimistic.
I expect some of will survive - although under what conditions and numbers is very much an unknown. The global society, including a very large population spike, is living atop a house of cards built on stored solar energy: fossil fuels: you've got two competing endgames in play in this regard: finite supply and a shoe-string delivery infrastructure dependent on stable global politics (um, what was that again!?!?!). Unless a carbon-neutral energy source of equivalent energy density is developed, this story can only have one ending.
(Does it help my case that I watched Avatar and thought that the Na'vi should be blasted from orbit with thermonuclear weaponry, just because they were irritating?)
:lol: No, it is much better to send in the most inefficient, expensive destructive force (troops) interplanetary distances to fight them on their own turf. Hollywood. <sigh> :doh:

(not to imply I supported the corporate assholes in that movie, BTW, but Hollywood makes a special kind of stoopid)
The evidence for intelligence (at least of the technological variety) being an evolutionary cul de sac seems overwhelming at this point.
Having said that, I hope Southern is right.
As for the "will to lose" demonstrated in Avatar it was nothing compared to what was on display in Starship Troopers. When I saw human infantry in dense (multi-rank!) mobs trying to use unsupported fire arms to fight a horde of huge armored monsters that was a true "you are all too stupid to be allowed to live" moment.

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Cunning Punt wrote:
Those comments are real (except for one).



My, how things change after a few years. She had a lot of fanboys.
almost 4 years later and the whole thing is still cringe worthy

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Zenspace wrote:
Southern wrote:
Zenspace wrote:
TedDahlberg wrote:
ThreeFlangedJavis wrote:If I get angry it seldom lasts long enough to type and submit. Plus, I'm as boring as fuck and OK with it. Getting angry because someone on the internet doesn't see things the same way is not the path to a happy life.
I do try my best to be a good Stoic. It's amazing how much happier you can be if you don't let the outside world dictate your feelings. But it's easier some days than others :violin:
This is the path to inner peace, or at least superficial happiness. :lol:

Seriously, though, it works. Stop making yourself a voluntary pin cushion for everyone else's little hurts and offenses and you will lead a much happier life. The human race is just a bunch of apes with bronze age minds and nuclear age weaponry. We will eventually fuck ourselves over terminally, and probably do it in a very spectacular way. Either that or it will just be a pathetic whimper. FftB/Skepchick/A+ et al are just a local symptom of a much, much larger problem inherent to the species. I would like to slow the descent as much as possible, but that is about all one can realistically hope for.
You know, I'm usually a grumpy bastard, but I do have a lot of hope in our little human race's future. We have been doing some awesome things and reaching some incredible advancement over the last hundred years or so, and I think it's a matter of time and opportunity for us to solve problems that today seems to doom us to a bleak future.

We're awesome, that's all I'm saying. Fuck Mother Nature and her stupid rules; one day, we'll send her ass to the kitchen and make her spend her entire miserable life making us sammiches while we clean Earth with nanobots, mine other planets for resources and make the best of our brains and our opposable thumbs. Of course, we have a loooong way to go on that, but I'm pretty optimistic.
I expect some of will survive - although under what conditions and numbers is very much an unknown. The global society, including a very large population spike, is living atop a house of cards built on stored solar energy: fossil fuels: you've got two competing endgames in play in this regard: finite supply and a shoe-string delivery infrastructure dependent on stable global politics (um, what was that again!?!?!). Unless a carbon-neutral energy source of equivalent energy density is developed, this story can only have one ending.
(Does it help my case that I watched Avatar and thought that the Na'vi should be blasted from orbit with thermonuclear weaponry, just because they were irritating?)
:lol: No, it is much better to send in the most inefficient, expensive destructive force (troops) interplanetary distances to fight them on their own turf. Hollywood. <sigh> :doh:

(not to imply I supported the corporate assholes in that movie, BTW, but Hollywood makes a special kind of stoopid)
I'm still holding out hope for this particular future:

https://dyingunderalienstars.files.word ... _small.jpg

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AndrewV69 wrote:Oh boy! Ally Fogg WTF man? His latest, if it is not a bitch slap to the usual suspects then I do not know what is.

I pretty much grabbed a quote at random. Read the whole thing here:
http://freethoughtblogs.com/hetpat/2013 ... off-a-bus/
Apologies for the sarcasm, but the reality is that this is not a fair fight. Nor is it a debate about intersectionality, gender or privilege, because there has been very little engagement in those actual issues. What is happening is a concerted effort by the gatekeepers of feminist discourse to marginalise, pathologise and even intimidate into silence their own internal critics.
A picture of Ally Fogg preparing to sit down and write that article:

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lk7pgsLBPz1qcs3z0.png

Countdown to Ally impacting taking a break to spend more time with his family...

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No, Ally has discovered the secret to dissenting from the Baboons: be so boring nobody finishes reading.

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Scented Nectar wrote:
Gefan wrote:
Lsuoma wrote:
ReneeHendricks wrote:Kind of surprised at the amount of panty-wadding over Mykeru. Also a bit surprised over the "oh, what about delicate fee-fees?" kind of crap coming in here. Are we shedding our thick skins and meandering over to the SJW side?
It's all certainly boring the arse off me...
Thus spake the only person whose opinion on censorship ultimately matters a flying fuck around here.

I don't give a shit if Mykeru's gone crazy, if nude pictures of Greta get plastered all over the Washington monument, or if Scented Nectar hosts an orgy under a burning effigy of Rebecca Watson and films the fucking thing.
None of this affects any of my goals in life.

Anyway, please continue...
Trying to host an orgy under a burning effigy of Rebecca Watson would be such a fail that no humans in a hundred mile radius would be able to get horny for at least a year. The film would be of limp dicks, dry ladyparts, and lots of very awkward but futile attempts by everyone to get their gear working.
And now, in a public spirited attempt to draw fire from Mykeru...
...C'mon there's lots of people here who could get aroused by the image of Rebecca Watson on fire. :popcorn:

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Cunning Punt wrote:


My, how things change after a few years. She had a lot of fanboys.

I was there. Forced to attend her wedding against my will! Sympathy for sacha is required.

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AndrewV69 wrote:Oh boy! Ally Fogg WTF man? His latest, if it is not a bitch slap to the usual suspects then I do not know what is.

I pretty much grabbed a quote at random. Read the whole thing here:
http://freethoughtblogs.com/hetpat/2013 ... off-a-bus/
Apologies for the sarcasm, but the reality is that this is not a fair fight. Nor is it a debate about intersectionality, gender or privilege, because there has been very little engagement in those actual issues. What is happening is a concerted effort by the gatekeepers of feminist discourse to marginalise, pathologise and even intimidate into silence their own internal critics.
I dunno - he's doing a pretty masterful job of talking out of both sides of his mouth in this post. In the bit you quoted he is criticizing mainstream female journalists for trying to "intimidate into silence" their angry intersectional feminist critics on Twitter. Yes, you could compare this to baboolie behavior, but I doubt many of them will make the connection. They won't see him as talking about Ophelia vs. the Pit, but rather as Dawkins/Lindsay/Kirby vs. Watson/SallyStrange/LeftSidePositive.

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sacha wrote:
Cunning Punt wrote:


My, how things change after a few years. She had a lot of fanboys.

I was there. Forced to attend her wedding against my will! Sympathy for sacha is required.
You want sympathy? Think of poor Sid Rodrigues.

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sKepptiksowat wrote:
sacha wrote:

without things that cause offense, where would they find sympathetic sycophants to make them feel better about themselves? This is all about being a "victim" for attention.
Oh, the fucking irony/hypocrisy...shut up already.

oh, Kiwi, he was telling me to shut the fuck up.

Apparently I am offended and feel like a victim and I'm looking for sympathetic sycophants to make me feel better about myself.

Interesting. Do go on. I'm quite interested in your perspective. Perhaps I can learn something.

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I see the Steffalump has published a letter from 13 speakers at WiS to the CFI board, doing a hatchet job on Ron Lindsay. Among those getting a shout out for harassing tweets is our very own Mykeru!!!!!

http://freethoughtblogs.com/almostdiamo ... cfi-board/

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Gefan wrote:
sacha wrote:
Cunning Punt wrote:


My, how things change after a few years. She had a lot of fanboys.

I was there. Forced to attend her wedding against my will! Sympathy for sacha is required.
You want sympathy? Think of poor Sid Rodrigues.

Indeed out of all of those involved, Sid actually does deserve sympathy.

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Petition/statement news!

I've called in a few favors and in short, I'm in need of beta testers. PM me for the sooper sekrit link. Ladies only please.

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[youtube]GtUb_E1qUHA[/youtube]

First, at 2:30 Lindy West retains the right to call people dicks, a gendered slur. Clearly then, she believes it's okay to call Lindy West and other feminists cunts, right?

Between 5:15 and 6:08 is the Holocaust discussion. Here is a rough transcript, please feel free to correct it.

Lindy West: (Speaking of gang rapes and Tosh's joke) This is a thing that happens. And it's actually really trivializing to say that mocking and exploiting a rape victim's trauma to her face because there will be women in that audience and probably men who have been sexually assaulted, is the same, as like 'making fun of a thing', like it's not the same. It's not the same, it's not the same

W. Kamau Bell: Even if that thing is Hitler?

West: What do you mean, like, hey, wouldn't it be great if someone like, reanimated Hitler,

Bell: Hey, wait a minute, let me write this down. Next week's show we will be doing that

West: and you knew ... and by the way it's not like you know that a third of your audience is Holocaust Survivors who are being like systematically silenced and told not to talk about the Holocaust and like you were kind of asking for the Holocaust, like that is not built into our culture. And so it's not just making a joke about a thing, it's contributing to a culture that perpetuates that thing.

So basically she is saying:

A) In today's society there is no anti-semitism
B) It's okay to make jokes about people who aren't present
C) Jews and Holocaust survivors are not told they should get over it, it's just a joke (think about recent discussions of reparations, arresting still living Nazis, troubles in the Middle East, ...)

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Lsuoma wrote:I see the Steffalump has published a letter from 13 speakers at WiS to the CFI board, doing a hatchet job on Ron Lindsay. Among those getting a shout out for harassing tweets is our very own Mykeru!!!!!

http://freethoughtblogs.com/almostdiamo ... cfi-board/
What a steaming pile of bullshit. "Harassment" is now officially meaningless, and, more than anything, this letter makes its signatories look, to any sane person, like emotionally-fragile children. You'd think he'd called them a bunch of cunts and threatened to slap Svan in the face with his nutsack.

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Guest wrote: West: What do you mean, like, hey, wouldn't it be great if someone like, reanimated Hitler,
Wait: is that Lindy West or Herbert West?

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In other news, on Zvan's "Ethics of Unmasking" post, they're still desperately trying to drag Skep tickle's name through the mud. Claiming she's an abuser, saying it's her fault, and even openly using her last name now.

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Also, is anyone else having problems with Twitter?

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Southern wrote:(Does it help my case that I watched Avatar and thought that the Na'vi should be blasted from orbit with thermonuclear weaponry, just because they were irritating?)
Nukes are just unnecessary, just drop a largish rock from orbit and watch the kinetic energy do all the work.

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I've also placed it here at /r/mensrightshttp://www.reddit.com/r/Me ... e_w_kamau/

If any of you were to vote it up to help others at /r/mr see it, well, I think that might be a good thing.

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Lsuoma wrote:I see the Steffalump has published a letter from 13 speakers at WiS to the CFI board, doing a hatchet job on Ron Lindsay. Among those getting a shout out for harassing tweets is our very own Mykeru!!!!!

http://freethoughtblogs.com/almostdiamo ... cfi-board/
Just read it. Poor Becky is painted as the fucking victim once more; obvious omission is obvious considering she - the invited speaker herself - started up the blogging and tweeting shitstorm with a typically passive-aggressive whine (Beck's trademark 'snark', apparently) about the 'old, white male'. Vacula is only ever referred to as 'the harasser'. Final sentence ramps up the victim narrative to claim themselves as being 'abused'. Lindsey must make an apology - and from the sound of it, an abjectly grovelling one - or, basically, his head gets served up on a plate.

Full text for those who'd prefer not to give this scabworm any page hits:
This letter was emailed today to the Center for Inquiry board in care of board secretary Tom Flynn. I am one of the speakers who signed it.

June 3, 2013

Board of Directors
Center for Inquiry
c/o Secretary Tom Flynn
PO Box 741
Amherst, NY 14226-0741

Delivered via email.

Dear members of the board:

We write to you as speakers at the Women in Secularism conference last weekend to say that Ron Lindsay’s conduct during this conference was unwelcoming, obstructive, and highly unprofessional. From his opening speech to his use of social media during the conference to his use of the CFI blog to attack a speaker during the conference to his interactions with conference-goers to his current silence on several matters, his behavior as CEO of the conference’s sponsoring organization was unique in our experience as speakers. It made our work at the conference more difficult and has increased the level of ongoing harassment that some of us face as women working in the secular movement.

Whatever Lindsay’s intentions for his opening speech, the end result was a confrontation with speakers and audience members. Lindsay drew attention to the fact that he declined to welcome us. A diverse group of feminists was patronizingly informed that feminism is not a monolith. He shared his grudging acceptance of one of the initiatives to have come out of the discussions after last year’s conference. He warned us that the secular movement has limited resources to pursue our interests. He presented us with the task of answering questions during the conference that none of us had been asked to prepare to address until that moment.

After this, Lindsay spent nearly half the opening speech—of the Women in Secularism conference—arguing against straw-feminist dogma in the secular movement, including the patently false notions that feminist women in the secular community don’t want to hear any ideas about feminism from men, and that we are attempting to silence men. He then ended with a plea for us to respect the humanity of men by allowing them to continue to speak, perpetuating the myth that feminists are trying to (or are in any position to) silence men while ignoring the very real silencing behavior that has been turned on many women in this movement. To say this is unacceptable would be an understatement. This is bizarre behavior.

The equivalent opening remarks at CSICon would decline to welcome everyone, announce that there are competing strands of skepticism, shrug that he’d come to see some of a new pro-vaccine group’s points, announce he’d suddenly decided that speakers should justify their use of the skeptical movement’s resources, spend almost half the speech talking about how some unnamed people might misuse logical fallacies, and warn the audience about the consequences to the world should they turn denialist and get themselves elected to public office. Such a speech might not be designed to leave the audience confused and hurt, but it would do so just the same.

This is a disservice and a discourtesy to speakers. A conference opening statement exists to pull an audience together and prepare them to listen to and engage with what they about to hear. Instead, Lindsay handed over an audience that was unsettled and distracted, making the job of every speaker more difficult.

The difficulties were increased off-stage as well. Conversations with attendees and CFI staff primarily revolved not around the talks and shared activism but around that opening statement. The energy and passion for activism that the first Women in Secularism conference inspired was noticeably dimmed in the hallways at the second—or routed into dealing with the insult we had all been dealt.

The situation was made worse by Lindsay’s conspicuous absence during talks on both Saturday and Sunday. It was made worse again by his failure to attend Saturday’s fundraising banquet. It was made far, far worse by his decision to use the time he was not at the banquet to publish a post on the official CFI blog calling one of CFI’s invited speaker’s mild, reasoned response to his concerns about silencing “the most intellectually dishonest piece of writing since the last communique issued by North Korea” and saying that she “inhabits an alternate universe.” By Sunday morning, several of us were actively propping up CFI staff morale.

To be quite clear, every other CFI employee and volunteer—both from CFI U.S. and from CFI Canada—we dealt with during the conference was helpful, friendly, and engaged. They exhibited extreme grace under fire and deserve a very large part of the credit for making this conference the success it was, Melody Hensley in particular. (Out of deference to those who are already dealing with a difficult situation and potential conflicts of interest, we have not given Melody Hensley, Lauren Becker, Debbie Goddard, or Elizabeth Cornwell an opportunity to sign this letter though they spoke at the conference.)

To pile on the insults, when asked to give examples of the “silencing” behavior to which Lindsay devoted so much of his speech, he failed (in addition to failing to demonstrate any actual silencing) to name one single secular woman. At this conference, CFI’s CEO used his opening remarks to pick or continue a fight with a man in the audience and to suggest that we women should comment on this fight from our stage.

Then there is the question of harassment. Someone who has harassed several of the Women in Secularism speakers over the past year was allowed to attend after making known his intentions to confront those speakers in person at the conference. CFI was aware that these speakers had concerns about his attendance and were aware of his intentions because those speakers contacted Lindsay and provided documentation of this harasser’s public statements on the matter.

At the conference itself, Lindsay had no contact with two of those speakers. He did not address the problem of harassment in his remarks, although one of last year’s speakers has since dropped out of the secular movement due to the harassment she received. He did not address the use of the official conference hashtag by other long-time harassers, which was obvious to everyone tweeting and everyone using Twitter to follow the conference. He did, however, shake hands with the harasser and give him an official welcome to the conference, an action that was promptly broadcast by the harasser in attendance.

This is an insult to those harassed, but it has broader effects than mere insult. Lindsay’s behavior on this topic has energized and emboldened these harassers. They are lauding him as a hero for standing up to the victims of harassment. They are crowing to those they harass that the weekend was a victory for them. They are filling official CFI blog comment threads with malicious nonsense that is being allowed to stand. They are copying him on their Twitter harassment, which has increased dramatically over the weekend and since the conference has ended. Some examples:

@jeh704: @GretaChristina @NotungSchwert I loved @RALindsay talk at WIS. please retweet and keep the hater out like Greta.

@mykeru: @SecularWoman You demand an apology from @RALindsay? How about you carpet-baggers apologize to the secular community? @Secularlyyours

@slappyhappystack: @jennifurret @RALindsay oh stfu u silly cunt

Lindsay is aware of all of this. He has not spoken out to stop it. Because of his actions during the conference and his lack of action after the conference, speakers and former speakers at the conference are facing harm. Vendors and people who raised or donated money to send people (including men) who couldn’t afford tickets to Women in Secularism are facing harm. The CEO of CFI used the Women in Secularism conference to his own ends in ways that support those who are working to drive many women out of the secular movement.

As speakers, writers, and thinkers, we support the work CFI does. We promote CFI’s programs to our own wider audiences. We provide our time and our skills to further CFI’s mission.

In return for doing all that for CFI’s Women in Secularism conference, we were insulted by CFI’s CEO and required to do more work to make CFI’s conference a success. As a parting gift, many of us face continuing unpleasant repercussions of the actions he took while we were aiding his organization. This is unacceptable.

At a minimum, Ron Lindsay owes us, his staff and volunteers, and the people who paid to attend his organization’s conference an apology that demonstrates that he understands the harm he has caused and commits to repair the damage. Anything less will make it difficult, if not impossible, for us to continue to support CFI the way we have in the past. While we support CFI’s work, we are not willing to be abused or see others abused to see that work go forward.

Sincerely,

[13 speakers from the 2013 Women in Secularism conference]

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Metalogic42 wrote:Also, is anyone else having problems with Twitter?
Yep. Given the frequency of such occurences, I'm half expecting to see the phrase 'Is anyone else not having any problems with Twitter?' become a regular feature on pretty much any forum anywhere.

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Lsuoma wrote:I see the Steffalump has published a letter from 13 speakers at WiS to the CFI board, doing a hatchet job on Ron Lindsay. Among those getting a shout out for harassing tweets is our very own Mykeru!!!!!

http://freethoughtblogs.com/almostdiamo ... cfi-board/
Actually, the first tweet she posts is from me. I'm freaking infamous! Buy me beers!

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Metalogic42 wrote:Also, is anyone else having problems with Twitter?
Michael Shermer is. He's had the same tweet appear seven times without his consent.

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I'm generally of the opinion that doxxing is 100% off-limits, so it's not something I'd participate myself. But I have to admit that I'd take a front row seat is Physiopricke ever got outed.

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Oh the horror of the head of a skeptical organization at a skeptical conference sounding a tiny note of skepticism. Bring me his liver and burn his livestock.

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This is sounding more and more high school. The CEO of CFI told FTB to STFU! OMG!

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Can anyone do freezepages of ffTB instead of links? I hate giving them hits.

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Anybody have the email address of Tom Flynn handy? I feel like dropping a short note of support for Ron.

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acathode wrote:
Southern wrote:(Does it help my case that I watched Avatar and thought that the Na'vi should be blasted from orbit with thermonuclear weaponry, just because they were irritating?)
Nukes are just unnecessary, just drop a largish rock from orbit and watch the kinetic energy do all the work.
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Aneris wrote:
Dick Strawkins wrote:There's a strangely ironic case of conformational bias going on with Svans blog at the moment.
She poses a question of whether people think it is ethical to doxx people on the internet - but frames it in such a way that those who are liable to be doxxed are termed 'harrassers'.
But everyone who has paid attention to her and Ophelia will already know that 'harrasers' is taken to mean anyone who contributes a 'microaggression' towards the online opposition they are facing.

Meaning, essentially, anyone who criticizes them, disagrees with them, offers a reasoned point of view that isn't in line with their thinking, or anyone who paints their opponents in a shade of grey rather than the blackest shade of Satans heart.

In other words, anyone who disagrees with her is liable for doxxing!

Strangely enough, everyone who comments agrees with her! :think:


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It is far worse.

It's a tap! She pretents to explore the topic from a neutral ground, and that good reasons guide her way. But her "mask" metaphor we swallow already with the headline turns out to be a ploy to draw connections between pseudonyms and heinous crimes. A couple of smoke grenades disguised as positive aspects of "masks" hide her trickery for a moment. Thereby she "gets them out of the way" so that she can prod the reader towards the negative conclusions.

In the middle she introduces serial killers. You couldn't make this up. As a reminder, serial killers get their pseudonym after they make a kill. Therefore she equates writing under a pseudonym, i.e. leaving a mark, with murder. That's strong stuff. I find it hard to believe that she actually thinks this. But is a nice way to manipulate readers on an emotional level. From there she leaves a few breadcrumbs leading to the concept of the "Abuser". Now people associate "abusers" with serial killers. Nice! Apparently, grotesque Guilty By Association continues to be popular among the intellectual frauds of FreeThoughtBlogs.

The serial-killer-ish "Abusers" are stated as a matter of fact. She doesn't explain what she considers doxxing-worthy abusive behavior. But the readers can fill in the blanks by context: Skep Tickle. That's another trick. Calling this out of proportion is out of proportion. And that is just the upper half. In the lower part and subsequent comments she essentially advocates Old Testamentarian Eye-for-an-Eye morality. The actual reasons why people have pseudonyms aren't explored and she also casually compares the doxxers with authorities and crime fighting, which would be vigiliantism. Eye-for-an-Eye Vigilantism, that is. Which is almost comical, provided that she no sense of proportion at all. Stepping on her toe is probably equal losing the right hand.
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Thank you, Aneris. Your thoughts on rhetoric are as interesting as ever.

What never ceases to amaze me is how some people - who are not otherwise all that clever - can nevertheless be very good at manipulative persuasion. It is almost a savant skill at times.

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RE: The Cowntess' letter.
It's like she and the other signatories don't realize that Lindsay's entire speech opening WISC2 is available online and that anyone can read it and see how full of shit they are.

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bovarchist wrote:Anybody have the email address of Tom Flynn handy? I feel like dropping a short note of support for Ron.

tflynn@centerforinquiry.net

rlindsay@centerforinquiry.net

Go for it. I already sent mine. I encourage as many of you who can to do the same.

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A belated commentary on Justicar, his World of Warcraft past and his hiding from Atheism+ and Horde. What's with the rhetorical assassins, by the way?

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Somewhere far from Horde Land. The Rhetorical Elf Bandit Justicar hides from Law Enforcement of Atheism+

(and hey, he was missing in the gallery).

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Remick wrote:Hey Guys(and Gals... and non-binary genderfluid elf sheriffs),

Remember the American Secular Census and its report about how terrible the secular community is for women?

They made this post with some 'anal cysts', Here.

They claimed they would release the full results when they got to 10,000 responses. Well, its now been over 6 months. And given how many people tend to fill out online polls 6 months late, I think it is pretty clear they are never going to get to their 10,000 response threshold (or did and broke their word). Either way, I think it is high time for them to release the full results of this 'census', since they are either A) not providing crucial data for a major problem regarding women's experiences within the secular community, or B) prematurely posted 'analysis' for a reaction, rather than waiting for the sample size to reach a reasonable level.

Unforunately, you need to log in via facebook which I do not have to post. But I would like to push these folks to release their info after 6 months have gone by.
Yes, I remember that. The whole thing stinks to heavens, there was absolutely no reason not to give sample size on their "snapshot". And they said this in the comments, in response to concerns about sample size:
Nor has a change in sample size altered these specific results in over a year ...
:?

The global Atheist census has currently almost 80,000 responses from the US, so a secular census ought be able to scrape together 10k...

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katamari Damassi wrote:RE: The Cowntess' letter.
It's like she and the other signatories don't realize that Lindsay's entire speech opening WISC2 is available online and that anyone can read it and see how full of shit they are.
How much more time are they going to waste in their efforts to have Lindsay fired? What does he need to apologize for? I didn't see anything in his speech that was even remotely offensive, but hey, I'm a guy and maybe there's some subtle code he used to inflict pain on the helpless wimmenz there.

And of course, she had to bring up Justin (not by name of course) as a harasser, but forgot to mention all the harassing and "silencing" of women that she, Watson, Christina, and Benson, have done over the past few years.

So let me see: TAM2013? Nope, not there. If there is a WISCFI3, I'm betting none of them will be invited to speak (think of the outrage that will cause!), and they're already been beating up on the Atheist Ireland people - and that conference hasn't even started yet!
I've been saything this for a while and will continue to do so until proven wrong: They're biting the hand(s) that feed them.
Slowly but surely, other conference organizers will start to see what a drag these people are on their venues and their beer money will start to dry up.

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Metalogic42 wrote:In other news, on Zvan's "Ethics of Unmasking" post, they're still desperately trying to drag Skep tickle's name through the mud. Claiming she's an abuser, saying it's her fault, and even openly using her last name now.
They couldn't have picked a nicer person to finger as their poster-girl for "dangerous abusive harasser hiding behind her anonymity" -- a respected Harvard MD with expertise in women's health who is apparently a well-liked and mild-mannered board-member of her local atheist organization, who has evidently never "harassed" or "abused" anyone.

Oh wait - she snarked at Ophelia Benson and participates here. Therefore, she is, according to "Kevin," commenting at that post, comparable to 1) a drunk driver, 2) a child abuser, 3) a rapist, 4) a cockroach, and 5) a pedophile running an internet kiddie porn site.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/almostdiamo ... ent-241171
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Apples wrote:
Lsuoma wrote:I see the Steffalump has published a letter from 13 speakers at WiS to the CFI board, doing a hatchet job on Ron Lindsay. Among those getting a shout out for harassing tweets is our very own Mykeru!!!!!

http://freethoughtblogs.com/almostdiamo ... cfi-board/
What a steaming pile of bullshit. "Harassment" is now officially meaningless, and, more than anything, this letter makes its signatories look, to any sane person, like emotionally-fragile children. You'd think he'd called them a bunch of cunts and threatened to slap Svan in the face with his nutsack.
Totally agree. I'm amazed. I skimmed through this with my mouth open; it's like the meandering incoherent rambling of a petulant child having a tantrum. Good. Any normal person that reads this will scratch their head in bewilderment at how stunningly bad this is as a piece of writing. I'd wonder how it is possible that 13 people could build this by committee and for this to be the best that they could come up with?? I only started looking at these people as a result of Ron Lindsay and Adria Richards and I seriously had no idea how ridiculously pitiful they are. Do they *really* have many followers (it's always hard to tell how many people visit a blog)? Stunningly bad letter. Seriously, the CFI should just ignore this letter and FTB. It's probably the best way to deal with idiots like this; ignore them, don't invite them to any conferences and just let them shrivel up and disappear...

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Apples wrote:
Metalogic42 wrote:In other news, on Zvan's "Ethics of Unmasking" post, they're still desperately trying to drag Skep tickle's name through the mud. Claiming she's an abuser, saying it's her fault, and even openly using her last name now.
They couldn't have picked a nicer person to finger as their poster-girl for "dangerous abusive harasser hiding behind her anonymity" -- a respected Harvard MD with expertise in women's health who is apparently a well-liked and mild-mannered board-member of her local atheist organization, who has evidently never "harassed" or "abused" anyone.

Oh wait - she snarked at Ophelia Benson and participates here. Therefore, she is, according to "Kevin," commenting at that post, comparable to 1) a drunk driver, 2) a child abuser, 3) a rapist, 4) a cockroach, and 5) a pedophile running an internet kiddie porn site.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/almostdiamo ... ent-241171
http://www.freezepage.com/1370294210LGUPEFWQIV
As someone said before, this should backfire on the baboons in spectacular fashion.

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Gumby wrote: As someone said before, this should backfire on the baboons in spectacular fashion.
Yes, IIRC the :popcorn: smiley did get a fairly hefty workout on the Pit that weekend...

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treestump wrote: Totally agree. I'm amazed. I skimmed through this with my mouth open; it's like the meandering incoherent rambling of a petulant child having a tantrum. Good. Any normal person that reads this will scratch their head in bewilderment at how stunningly bad this is as a piece of writing. I'd wonder how it is possible that 13 people could build this by committee and for this to be the best that they could come up with??
Your question answers itself. When you get 13 shrieking egomaniacs collaborating on a letter, the result is going to be word salad tossed into a tree shredder.

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perfect.

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Zenspace wrote:
bovarchist wrote:Anybody have the email address of Tom Flynn handy? I feel like dropping a short note of support for Ron.

tflynn@centerforinquiry.net

rlindsay@centerforinquiry.net

Go for it. I already sent mine. I encourage as many of you who can to do the same.
I already sent mine nearly a week ago. But this place probably gets new lurkers every day and its next to impossible to find that information in such long threads unless someone reposts it occasionally.

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Apples wrote:
Metalogic42 wrote:In other news, on Zvan's "Ethics of Unmasking" post, they're still desperately trying to drag Skep tickle's name through the mud. Claiming she's an abuser, saying it's her fault, and even openly using her last name now.
They couldn't have picked a nicer person to finger as their poster-girl for "dangerous abusive harasser hiding behind her anonymity" -- a respected Harvard MD with expertise in women's health who is apparently a well-liked and mild-mannered board-member of her local atheist organization, who has evidently never "harassed" or "abused" anyone.

Oh wait - she snarked at Ophelia Benson and participates here. Therefore, she is, according to "Kevin," commenting at that post, comparable to 1) a drunk driver, 2) a child abuser, 3) a rapist, 4) a cockroach, and 5) a pedophile running an internet kiddie porn site.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/almostdiamo ... ent-241171
http://www.freezepage.com/1370294210LGUPEFWQIV
I hope it backfires on them horribly.

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curriejean wrote:Petition/statement news!

I've called in a few favors and in short, I'm in need of beta testers. PM me for the sooper sekrit link. Ladies only please.
As I'm *obviously* a man I can't help you, but I can appreciate the effort you've put into this and wish you the best of luck!
:)

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Clarence wrote: I hope it backfires on them horribly.
It surely will. Skep Tickle from what I can see is not the type to back down from such a virulent smear campaign, and seeing as how angry the normally laid-back Jack is about this, I expect that the CFI will be getting a full rundown on this incident, chock-full of screencaps and links. CFI will get a lesson on these miserable pricks they've never gotten before. Fuck them into the ground.

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Outwest wrote:
katamari Damassi wrote:RE: The Cowntess' letter.
It's like she and the other signatories don't realize that Lindsay's entire speech opening WISC2 is available online and that anyone can read it and see how full of shit they are.
I've been saything this for a while and will continue to do so until proven wrong: They're biting the hand(s) that feed them.
Slowly but surely, other conference organizers will start to see what a drag these people are on their venues and their beer money will start to dry up.
Three hundred paying attendees isn't very impressive, especially when the overhead cost is figured in. Next time CFI should hire a couple of local garage bands for the weekend and put on free beer for three or four hours a night. That would draw orders of magnitude more bodies (at a fraction of the overhead) than the *stellar* line-up of speakers they had this year. Tack on a $20/night cover charge and they'd have a real moneymaker.

Smartassery aside, what galls me about the letter is the part where the intrepid social justice warriors are whining about having to do some, you know, work to advance their cause rather than sit on their asses and watch somebody else do the heavy lifting for them.

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Gefan wrote:
AndrewV69 wrote:Oh boy! Ally Fogg WTF man? His latest, if it is not a bitch slap to the usual suspects then I do not know what is.

I pretty much grabbed a quote at random. Read the whole thing here:
http://freethoughtblogs.com/hetpat/2013 ... off-a-bus/
Apologies for the sarcasm, but the reality is that this is not a fair fight. Nor is it a debate about intersectionality, gender or privilege, because there has been very little engagement in those actual issues. What is happening is a concerted effort by the gatekeepers of feminist discourse to marginalise, pathologise and even intimidate into silence their own internal critics.
A picture of Ally Fogg preparing to sit down and write that article:

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lk7pgsLBPz1qcs3z0.png

Countdown to Ally impacting taking a break to spend more time with his family...
I laughed.
Regardless, I think Ally is too rational for those people (and I don't even always agree with him!) and so it really is only a matter of time.

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bovarchist wrote:This is sounding more and more high school. The CEO of CFI told FTB to STFU! OMG!
My point exactly on Opehlia's blog a few days ago.

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Gumby wrote:
Clarence wrote: I hope it backfires on them horribly.
It surely will. Skep Tickle from what I can see is not the type to back down from such a virulent smear campaign, and seeing as how angry the normally laid-back Jack is about this, I expect that the CFI will be getting a full rundown on this incident, chock-full of screencaps and links. CFI will get a lesson on these miserable pricks they've never gotten before. Fuck them into the ground.
I hope you are right, Gumby.
I can't see this NOT getting back to CFI.
But here's the thing: this is the last thing you'd WANT CFI to see if you had hopes of influencing them. So I'm left with a few possibilities.
A. They've already (despite the latest email) basically given up on CFI bowing to their whims so they don't care.
B. They have enough institutional power with the CFI board (for whatever reason) to know this won't matter. This is kind of a scary thought, but then I think if they had THAT kind of power Lindsay would be gone already.
C. They are crazy batshit idiots who can't think how this will look outside their closed treehouse blogs.

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I just realized - Skep tickle doxxed herself a long time ago!

Skep tickle is zebra ass.

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TheMudbrooker wrote:
Outwest wrote:
katamari Damassi wrote:RE: The Cowntess' letter.
It's like she and the other signatories don't realize that Lindsay's entire speech opening WISC2 is available online and that anyone can read it and see how full of shit they are.
I've been saything this for a while and will continue to do so until proven wrong: They're biting the hand(s) that feed them.
Slowly but surely, other conference organizers will start to see what a drag these people are on their venues and their beer money will start to dry up.
Three hundred paying attendees isn't very impressive, especially when the overhead cost is figured in. Next time CFI should hire a couple of local garage bands for the weekend and put on free beer for three or four hours a night. That would draw orders of magnitude more bodies (at a fraction of the overhead) than the *stellar* line-up of speakers they had this year. Tack on a $20/night cover charge and they'd have a real moneymaker.

Smartassery aside, what galls me about the letter is the part where the intrepid social justice warriors are whining about having to do some, you know, work to advance their cause rather than sit on their asses and watch somebody else do the heavy lifting for them.
There's the money quote for me:
By Sunday morning, several of us were actively propping up CFI staff morale.
The egotism in that statement alone. It's just too much to even laugh at right now. I would think that if the CFI staff were that upset, they would've have been complaining during the conference. As usual, she's making shit up again.

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Benson has a post up called "Welcome to the Feminist Hivemind", promoting a new website. I went over and looked at the commenting policy, and found this:
Immediate banning:

Threats of violence (credible or not). Not only will you be banned, but I will also contact the relevant authorities on your behalf.
Doxxing or threatening to “out” pseudonymous contributors and commenters.
Releasing the private information of anyone.

Spamming/copy-paste word salads.
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

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Tigzy wrote:
Lsuoma wrote:I see the Steffalump has published a letter from 13 speakers at WiS to the CFI board, doing a hatchet job on Ron Lindsay. Among those getting a shout out for harassing tweets is our very own Mykeru!!!!!

http://freethoughtblogs.com/almostdiamo ... cfi-board/
Just read it. Poor Becky is painted as the fucking victim once more; obvious omission is obvious considering she - the invited speaker herself - started up the blogging and tweeting shitstorm with a typically passive-aggressive whine (Beck's trademark 'snark', apparently) about the 'old, white male'. Vacula is only ever referred to as 'the harasser'. Final sentence ramps up the victim narrative to claim themselves as being 'abused'. Lindsey must make an apology - and from the sound of it, an abjectly grovelling one - or, basically, his head gets served up on a plate.

Full text for those who'd prefer not to give this scabworm any page hits:
This letter was emailed today to the Center for Inquiry board in care of board secretary Tom Flynn. I am one of the speakers who signed it.

June 3, 2013

Board of Directors
Center for Inquiry
c/o Secretary Tom Flynn
PO Box 741
Amherst, NY 14226-0741

Delivered via email.

Dear members of the board:

We write to you as speakers at the Women in Secularism conference last weekend to say that Ron Lindsay’s conduct during this conference was unwelcoming, obstructive, and highly unprofessional. From his opening speech to his use of social media during the conference to his use of the CFI blog to attack a speaker during the conference to his interactions with conference-goers to his current silence on several matters, his behavior as CEO of the conference’s sponsoring organization was unique in our experience as speakers. It made our work at the conference more difficult and has increased the level of ongoing harassment that some of us face as women working in the secular movement.

Whatever Lindsay’s intentions for his opening speech, the end result was a confrontation with speakers and audience members. Lindsay drew attention to the fact that he declined to welcome us. A diverse group of feminists was patronizingly informed that feminism is not a monolith. He shared his grudging acceptance of one of the initiatives to have come out of the discussions after last year’s conference. He warned us that the secular movement has limited resources to pursue our interests. He presented us with the task of answering questions during the conference that none of us had been asked to prepare to address until that moment.

After this, Lindsay spent nearly half the opening speech—of the Women in Secularism conference—arguing against straw-feminist dogma in the secular movement, including the patently false notions that feminist women in the secular community don’t want to hear any ideas about feminism from men, and that we are attempting to silence men. He then ended with a plea for us to respect the humanity of men by allowing them to continue to speak, perpetuating the myth that feminists are trying to (or are in any position to) silence men while ignoring the very real silencing behavior that has been turned on many women in this movement. To say this is unacceptable would be an understatement. This is bizarre behavior.

The equivalent opening remarks at CSICon would decline to welcome everyone, announce that there are competing strands of skepticism, shrug that he’d come to see some of a new pro-vaccine group’s points, announce he’d suddenly decided that speakers should justify their use of the skeptical movement’s resources, spend almost half the speech talking about how some unnamed people might misuse logical fallacies, and warn the audience about the consequences to the world should they turn denialist and get themselves elected to public office. Such a speech might not be designed to leave the audience confused and hurt, but it would do so just the same.

This is a disservice and a discourtesy to speakers. A conference opening statement exists to pull an audience together and prepare them to listen to and engage with what they about to hear. Instead, Lindsay handed over an audience that was unsettled and distracted, making the job of every speaker more difficult.

The difficulties were increased off-stage as well. Conversations with attendees and CFI staff primarily revolved not around the talks and shared activism but around that opening statement. The energy and passion for activism that the first Women in Secularism conference inspired was noticeably dimmed in the hallways at the second—or routed into dealing with the insult we had all been dealt.

The situation was made worse by Lindsay’s conspicuous absence during talks on both Saturday and Sunday. It was made worse again by his failure to attend Saturday’s fundraising banquet. It was made far, far worse by his decision to use the time he was not at the banquet to publish a post on the official CFI blog calling one of CFI’s invited speaker’s mild, reasoned response to his concerns about silencing “the most intellectually dishonest piece of writing since the last communique issued by North Korea” and saying that she “inhabits an alternate universe.” By Sunday morning, several of us were actively propping up CFI staff morale.

To be quite clear, every other CFI employee and volunteer—both from CFI U.S. and from CFI Canada—we dealt with during the conference was helpful, friendly, and engaged. They exhibited extreme grace under fire and deserve a very large part of the credit for making this conference the success it was, Melody Hensley in particular. (Out of deference to those who are already dealing with a difficult situation and potential conflicts of interest, we have not given Melody Hensley, Lauren Becker, Debbie Goddard, or Elizabeth Cornwell an opportunity to sign this letter though they spoke at the conference.)

To pile on the insults, when asked to give examples of the “silencing” behavior to which Lindsay devoted so much of his speech, he failed (in addition to failing to demonstrate any actual silencing) to name one single secular woman. At this conference, CFI’s CEO used his opening remarks to pick or continue a fight with a man in the audience and to suggest that we women should comment on this fight from our stage.

Then there is the question of harassment. Someone who has harassed several of the Women in Secularism speakers over the past year was allowed to attend after making known his intentions to confront those speakers in person at the conference. CFI was aware that these speakers had concerns about his attendance and were aware of his intentions because those speakers contacted Lindsay and provided documentation of this harasser’s public statements on the matter.

At the conference itself, Lindsay had no contact with two of those speakers. He did not address the problem of harassment in his remarks, although one of last year’s speakers has since dropped out of the secular movement due to the harassment she received. He did not address the use of the official conference hashtag by other long-time harassers, which was obvious to everyone tweeting and everyone using Twitter to follow the conference. He did, however, shake hands with the harasser and give him an official welcome to the conference, an action that was promptly broadcast by the harasser in attendance.

This is an insult to those harassed, but it has broader effects than mere insult. Lindsay’s behavior on this topic has energized and emboldened these harassers. They are lauding him as a hero for standing up to the victims of harassment. They are crowing to those they harass that the weekend was a victory for them. They are filling official CFI blog comment threads with malicious nonsense that is being allowed to stand. They are copying him on their Twitter harassment, which has increased dramatically over the weekend and since the conference has ended. Some examples:

@jeh704: @GretaChristina @NotungSchwert I loved @RALindsay talk at WIS. please retweet and keep the hater out like Greta.

@mykeru: @SecularWoman You demand an apology from @RALindsay? How about you carpet-baggers apologize to the secular community? @Secularlyyours

@slappyhappystack: @jennifurret @RALindsay oh stfu u silly cunt

Lindsay is aware of all of this. He has not spoken out to stop it. Because of his actions during the conference and his lack of action after the conference, speakers and former speakers at the conference are facing harm. Vendors and people who raised or donated money to send people (including men) who couldn’t afford tickets to Women in Secularism are facing harm. The CEO of CFI used the Women in Secularism conference to his own ends in ways that support those who are working to drive many women out of the secular movement.

As speakers, writers, and thinkers, we support the work CFI does. We promote CFI’s programs to our own wider audiences. We provide our time and our skills to further CFI’s mission.

In return for doing all that for CFI’s Women in Secularism conference, we were insulted by CFI’s CEO and required to do more work to make CFI’s conference a success. As a parting gift, many of us face continuing unpleasant repercussions of the actions he took while we were aiding his organization. This is unacceptable.

At a minimum, Ron Lindsay owes us, his staff and volunteers, and the people who paid to attend his organization’s conference an apology that demonstrates that he understands the harm he has caused and commits to repair the damage. Anything less will make it difficult, if not impossible, for us to continue to support CFI the way we have in the past. While we support CFI’s work, we are not willing to be abused or see others abused to see that work go forward.

Sincerely,

[13 speakers from the 2013 Women in Secularism conference]

Why is that tweet harassment? I can only assume Svan doesn't know what a "carpet-bagger" is and thinks it's a sexual orientation slur like "rug muncher".

What a fucking maroon!

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Outwest wrote: There's the money quote for me:
By Sunday morning, several of us were actively propping up CFI staff morale.
The egotism in that statement alone. It's just too much to even laugh at right now. I would think that if the CFI staff were that upset, they would've have been complaining during the conference. As usual, she's making shit up again.
Egotistical bullshit indeed.

IF CFI staff's morale was low, it wasn't because Ron Lindsay made a completely inoffensive speech. It was because a lot of work goes into a conference and everything they worked on was getting trampled by a bunch of self-righteous wailing whiny mopes who tried like hell to turn the whole focus of the conference away from the conference and onto their hurt fee-fees.

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Outwest wrote: There's the money quote for me:
By Sunday morning, several of us were actively propping up CFI staff morale.
The egotism in that statement alone. It's just too much to even laugh at right now. I would think that if the CFI staff were that upset, they would've have been complaining during the conference. As usual, she's making shit up again.
Unless "CFI staff" in that statement ≈ Melody Hensley

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Corylus wrote:
Aneris wrote:
Dick Strawkins wrote:There's a strangely ironic case of conformational bias going on with Svans blog at the moment.
She poses a question of whether people think it is ethical to doxx people on the internet - but frames it in such a way that those who are liable to be doxxed are termed 'harrassers'.
But everyone who has paid attention to her and Ophelia will already know that 'harrasers' is taken to mean anyone who contributes a 'microaggression' towards the online opposition they are facing.

Meaning, essentially, anyone who criticizes them, disagrees with them, offers a reasoned point of view that isn't in line with their thinking, or anyone who paints their opponents in a shade of grey rather than the blackest shade of Satans heart.

In other words, anyone who disagrees with her is liable for doxxing!

Strangely enough, everyone who comments agrees with her! :think:


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It is far worse.

It's a tap! She pretents to explore the topic from a neutral ground, and that good reasons guide her way. But her "mask" metaphor we swallow already with the headline turns out to be a ploy to draw connections between pseudonyms and heinous crimes. A couple of smoke grenades disguised as positive aspects of "masks" hide her trickery for a moment. Thereby she "gets them out of the way" so that she can prod the reader towards the negative conclusions.

In the middle she introduces serial killers. You couldn't make this up. As a reminder, serial killers get their pseudonym after they make a kill. Therefore she equates writing under a pseudonym, i.e. leaving a mark, with murder. That's strong stuff. I find it hard to believe that she actually thinks this. But is a nice way to manipulate readers on an emotional level. From there she leaves a few breadcrumbs leading to the concept of the "Abuser". Now people associate "abusers" with serial killers. Nice! Apparently, grotesque Guilty By Association continues to be popular among the intellectual frauds of FreeThoughtBlogs.

The serial-killer-ish "Abusers" are stated as a matter of fact. She doesn't explain what she considers doxxing-worthy abusive behavior. But the readers can fill in the blanks by context: Skep Tickle. That's another trick. Calling this out of proportion is out of proportion. And that is just the upper half. In the lower part and subsequent comments she essentially advocates Old Testamentarian Eye-for-an-Eye morality. The actual reasons why people have pseudonyms aren't explored and she also casually compares the doxxers with authorities and crime fighting, which would be vigiliantism. Eye-for-an-Eye Vigilantism, that is. Which is almost comical, provided that she no sense of proportion at all. Stepping on her toe is probably equal losing the right hand.
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Thank you, Aneris. Your thoughts on rhetoric are as interesting as ever.

What never ceases to amaze me is how some people - who are not otherwise all that clever - can nevertheless be very good at manipulative persuasion. It is almost a savant skill at times.
Why would you think they aren't clever? They may not be good at say, actual science, but how does that translate into zero skillsets? Becky is especially good at *communication* and *manipulation*. It's almost like she went to school for those skills or perhaps spent some time working in an industry based around those skills.

How many times does she have to end run all the "smarterer" people before y'all stop thinking she actually is stupid at EVERYTHING?

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