Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

[Submariner]

http://sphotos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-a ... 9534_n.jpg

*headexplodes*

Awwwwwwwwww. Who's the cuuuute duuuude with the puppy???

[welch]

.@RALindsay Have you had people repeatedly tell you to kill yourself b/c they know you're a feminist atheist with depression? #wiscfi

Reasons why people have repeatedly told me to kill myself:

1) I fucking hate George Lucas
2) I cuss a lot
3) Florida (this one I understand)
4) I was in the military
5) I was mean
6) I'm in IT
7) I use Macs
8) I use Windows
9) I'm married

etc.

What's with atheist feminists and this morbid fear of people telling them to suicide? Are they secretly thinking about it, and fear that a remark made on Youtube or Twitter or whatever may be the last straw?

If they're really that susceptible to suggestion...

JENNIFER MCREIGHT! YOU MUST GIVE ME ALL YOUR MONEY! RIGHT NOW. ALSO, YOU MUST MAKE ME A PEANUT BUTTER SAMMICH. WITH PETER PAN, NONE OF THAT ORGANIC SHIT.

THEN YOU MUST PUT ON A CLOWN SUIT, BOWLING SHOES, AND SKIP BACKWARDS WHILE SINGING THE "TEAPOT" SONG.

IN NORWEGIAN!

YOU MUST DO ALL OF THIS RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE I, A PERSON ON THE INTERNET YOU'VE NEVER MET AND LIVE THOUSANDS OF MILES AWAY FROM HAS TOLD YOU TO DO IT! IN ALL CAPS! GET THAT SHIT MOVING, BITCH!

this is why I'm not allowed my own cult.

[Tony Parsehole]

If Jen Mcreight really is depressed then I feel a bit bad for her. Depression is wank, but she doesn't do herself any favours at all with all this "pity-me-I'm-a-tortured-voice-of-this-generation" shite.

[Mark Thomas]

Miri M. ‏@sondosia 3h
Not really comfortable w/ the comparison of oppressed people being silenced and privileged people being told to shut up and listen. #wiscfi

At least this is something approaching an argument. If you're 'privileged' you're not allowed to speak.

[John Greg]

welch, re. http://www.slymepit.com/phpbb/viewtopic ... 897#p89897

Unusual of you to make such a basic reading mistake.

"How Feminism Makes Better Skeptics: The Role Rationality Plays in Ending Sexism"

[Outwest]

How many attendees are at WISCON2? Does anybody know? I heard 300 but it can't be that piddly....Can it?

Justin estimated a few minutes ago on twitter there were 225 today.

[Southern]

Question: could Justin Vacula be kicked out of the convention if he was caught accessing the Slymepit on his phone while at it?

[Tony Parsehole]

How many attendees are at WISCON2? Does anybody know? I heard 300 but it can't be that piddly....Can it?

Justin estimated a few minutes ago on twitter there were 225 today.

*whistles*...That's low. No wonder they didn't ban Justin. They need all the support they can get.

[Tony Parsehole]

Question: could Justin Vacula be kicked out of the convention if he was caught accessing the Slymepit on his phone while at it?

Incoming retroactive rule in 3....2....1...

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

If Jen Mcreight really is depressed then I feel a bit bad for her. Depression is wank, but she doesn't do herself any favours at all with all this "pity-me-I'm-a-tortured-voice-of-this-generation" shite.

Sometimes, when in depression, I will voice it at the Pit, or My FB official page, or any other outlet. I kinda understand the mechanics of doing so, and weirdly enough, it helps.

However, I don't use it to get victim points. I do it because it's a convenient way to let out my feelings (yes, we white cis-gendered males have these too).

But indeed, if Jen is depressed, I'd like to offer my support. All the best

/naïve?

[Tony Parsehole]

When I'm depressed I beat my wife..... AT CONKERS! LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!

Bedtime now. Snoozy-woozy all.

[justinvacula]

http://i.imgur.com/pRlKKER.jpg

Yes, but why wait till he's spoken before you complain about it...
Specifically when he's just pointed out that your standard operating procedures are dishonest.

I think the wind has turned on the FTB mob. TAM is FTB free and Peezus' tantrum and divorce from skepticism has left them bereft of any real clout in the movement ouside their own private fiefdoms of skepticon and skepchickcon.

This. A thousand times this.

[cunt]

She's a comedy genius - I can't believe how few hits she's got. Anyway, i've subscribed.

It's kind of ridiculous. Just over 1000 hits for this.

[youtube]ny5PxcJiZ40[/youtube]

[JayTeeAitch]

Looks like Paul Fidalgo (communications director) is pissed off at the audiences reaction to Vacula's question(s):

https://twitter.com/PaulFidalgo/status/ ... 7822957569

[JayTeeAitch]

She's a comedy genius - I can't believe how few hits she's got. Anyway, i've subscribed.

It's kind of ridiculous. Just over 1000 hits for this.

ny5PxcJiZ40

I think she must be the secret love child of either Vic or Bob.

Fucking loved those cooking vids - can't believe what she said about the oyster :D

Moving onto the gardening now...

[welch]

welch, re. http://www.slymepit.com/phpbb/viewtopic ... 897#p89897

Unusual of you to make such a basic reading mistake.

"How Feminism Makes Better Skeptics: The Role Rationality Plays in Ending Sexism"

Hence my following post that said "typo"

[justinvacula]

Thanks 'Skep Tickle' for this shirt - here is a photo with me donning it at #WIScfi

http://i.imgur.com/8YspnIO.jpg

[cunt]

Well, he doesn't say it's the audiences reaction. I wouldn't be surprised if the speakers were also mocking Justin's questions just to get some laughs.

Not like he paid an extortionate amount of money to be there.

[John Greg]

Hence my following post that said "typo"

Snap!

...

Did I get that right?

[rayshul]

I'm delighted that even CFI are now pointing out their fucking racism and sexism. Why in fuck would anyone want to live in a world where people are judged by their race and gender. It's fucking sick shit, right there.

Am quite amused by the low attendance. I'm figuring that if everyone paid to attend, that means they've got incoming $$ of around $55k. Minus staff costs and the rest, I wonder how valuable this is financially... and if CFI will consider it worthwhile to do another.

I can't see why it's attractive to run a conference focussed on one gender.

[JayTeeAitch]

Well, he doesn't say it's the audiences reaction. I wouldn't be surprised if the speakers were also mocking Justin's questions just to get some laughs.

Not like he paid an extortionate amount of money to be there.

Yeah, just reread it and you could be right. Perhaps Vacula could shed some light though I won't be holding my breath...

[ConcentratedH2O, OM]

Improbable Joe, bearer of the Official SpokesGuitar

May 17, 2013 at 11:43 am (UTC -7) Link to this comment

I could have gone last year when I lived less than 2 hours away, and I can’t remember why I didn’t. Wanted to go this year and I’m on the other side of the country. Dammit.

Er, possibly because at the time you were all over Meyers's blog, complaining that you were about to be made homeless, and had no money, and was suffering a case of the sadz?

Maybe that's why you missed the conference? You do remember all this, right? Because all of those sad stories, which I believe earned you some money from other commenters there, were definitely 100% factual and in no way an attempt to extort sympathy/cash from idiots.

Right...?

http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterflies ... ent-544808

[ERV]

Looks like Paul Fidalgo (communications director) is pissed off at the audiences reaction to Vacula's question(s):

https://twitter.com/PaulFidalgo/status/ ... 7822957569

This is a similar crew (the same?) who laughed at that duped UFO speaker at Skepchick Con. If I can deal with Steve Kern and questions from Creationists like 'IF THERE WAS NO GLOBAL FLOOD THEN HOW DID SEA SHELLS GET ON MOUNTAINS????' with a gracious smile, I think they can handle Vacula.

[jmpea81]

It's nice to see something like this:



While teh Watson tweets stuff like this:



Because that's liek totally not mansplainin' y'all.

[Southern]

Looks like Paul Fidalgo (communications director) is pissed off at the audiences reaction to Vacula's question(s):

https://twitter.com/PaulFidalgo/status/ ... 7822957569

This is a similar crew (the same?) who laughed at that duped UFO speaker at Skepchick Con. If I can deal with Steve Kern and questions from Creationists like 'IF THERE WAS NO GLOBAL FLOOD THEN HOW DID SEA SHELLS GET ON MOUNTAINS????' with a gracious smile, I think they can handle Vacula.

They can't even handle tieing their own shoes.

[Lsuoma]

If Jen Mcreight really is depressed then I feel a bit bad for her. Depression is wank, but she doesn't do herself any favours at all with all this "pity-me-I'm-a-tortured-voice-of-this-generation" shite.

I was thinking that too, she seems completely fucked up.

Paging Chris Crocker! Chris Crocker to Youtube!

[ERV]

If Jen Mcreight really is depressed then I feel a bit bad for her. Depression is wank, but she doesn't do herself any favours at all with all this "pity-me-I'm-a-tortured-voice-of-this-generation" shite.

I was thinking that too, she seems completely fucked up.

Paging Chris Crocker! Chris Crocker to Youtube!

In the sense she is actively engaging in behaviors that go contrary to what, at least my councilor, would recommend for dealing with her mental issues, indicating that she is addicted to this kind of attention more than she cares about treating her depression, then yes, I feel sorry for her-- In the same sense I feel sorry for a heroin addict or alcoholic who has help, but will not stop abusing drugs.

[Guest]

Thanks 'Skep Tickle' for this shirt - here is a photo with me donning it at #WIScfi

http://i.imgur.com/8YspnIO.jpg

no asshole that tshirt was for your mustache!

you were to wear a coconut bra

[AbsurdWalls]

If Jen Mcreight really is depressed then I feel a bit bad for her. Depression is wank, but she doesn't do herself any favours at all with all this "pity-me-I'm-a-tortured-voice-of-this-generation" shite.

I was thinking that too, she seems completely fucked up.

Paging Chris Crocker! Chris Crocker to Youtube!

It's a bit puzzling to me because the official narrative is that the responses she was getting drove her out of being a public figure, but the tweeting etc. that she still does is the thing that is most likely to attract a negative reaction. She might as well still be blogging, doing the hobby things she has pointlessly given up, etc.

A PhD is tricky enough if you're totally compos mentis, any struggles in that department will only make it more challenging. I do think some of the pressures involved can bring out those sorts of problems in people who were previously just a little neurotic or whatever. Not to say that's the case for JM, just saying that in my experience it is a a bit of a rollercoaster and that takes its strain on people. I hope things work out for her.

[rayshul]

I do think it's smarter to stay offline if you're suffering from a mental illness or limit your interactions (especially on the subject) to forums dedicated to the subject. But I suppose YMMV.

[Lsuoma]

If Jen Mcreight really is depressed then I feel a bit bad for her. Depression is wank, but she doesn't do herself any favours at all with all this "pity-me-I'm-a-tortured-voice-of-this-generation" shite.

I was thinking that too, she seems completely fucked up.

Paging Chris Crocker! Chris Crocker to Youtube!

In the sense she is actively engaging in behaviors that go contrary to what, at least my councilor, would recommend for dealing with her mental issues, indicating that she is addicted to this kind of attention more than she cares about treating her depression, then yes, I feel sorry for her-- In the same sense I feel sorry for a heroin addict or alcoholic who has help, but will not stop abusing drugs.

Yep. And it seems to me that she is likely to be getting encouraged to continue doing this shit by her so-called buddies, even if they don't mean to.

The whole "I am woman, I am invulnerable! Hear me roar!" narrative means that she may have her identity and self-worth tied in so closely with not having the metaphorical weak bladder that she just can't stop.

[AbsurdWalls]

I do think it's smarter to stay offline if you're suffering from a mental illness or limit your interactions (especially on the subject) to forums dedicated to the subject. But I suppose YMMV.

I can see how that might be best for some people if what they want is a community of likeminded folks. To me that's always presented two hazards:

i) Committing so much of your identity to your illness in that way might make it a crutch.
ii) Members of some mental health support communities are quite territorial/possessive.

Also, one of the positive things that can come out of mental illness is a motivation to increase awareness or advance the interests of yourself and your fellow sufferers.

I guess it will just vary from person to person depending on how resilient they are.

[rayshul]

I do think it's smarter to stay offline if you're suffering from a mental illness or limit your interactions (especially on the subject) to forums dedicated to the subject. But I suppose YMMV.

I can see how that might be best for some people if what they want is a community of likeminded folks. To me that's always presented two hazards:

i) Committing so much of your identity to your illness in that way might make it a crutch.
ii) Members of some mental health support communities are quite territorial/possessive.

Also, one of the positive things that can come out of mental illness is a motivation to increase awareness or advance the interests of yourself and your fellow sufferers.

I guess it will just vary from person to person depending on how resilient they are.

This is true. I assumed that most people who join these communities want to get out of them as fast as fucking possible so they can go back to normality, and that's not always the case - it can feel more secure in them. I don't think though that while clearly suffering from mental illness, that this is the best time to try and engage with, uh, the internet. Those people who have successfully promoted for mental illness (for example, depression) are those who've experienced it and have come out the other side, or who may still struggle but have a good control through therapy and/or medication.

[zenbabe]

Watson has had the media spotlight on herself and multiple chances to promote atheism and secularism amongst women.
Has she done anything other than, well, promote brand Rebecca Watson?

Which brings us back to the origin of the Slime Pit. She constantly makes decisions that go contrary to her supposed ideological agenda.

Wait a tiny second, there. The threads still exist intact with comments? Or just that one?

I put that one back up a long time ago because there were a lot of links to it, and I wanted my original commentary on this issue to be readily available.

Yay!

For the relative newcomers to the thread,

'sup?

here is the footage of Laden celebrating his personal (albeit temporary in hindsight) victory over free speech while the Skepchick audience cheers him on: (around 28:19 into the clip)

Fantastic, thanks.
Also fantastic is the link above by ERV.

The task of unpacking the thoughts and events of the last several years (let alone the past decade or so) is often daunting but remains hella fun so far. I realize everyone is focused very much on the here and now of WiS, but if at any time anyone happens to have a few links to throw my way pointing to historical context, and if you don't care to muddy the current of posts within the thread (as I am doing, but I'll hush), my box here is open and untainted.

Rigid ideological conformity enforced by digital book burning, the effect of which was to take 16.6 megabytes of plain text off the web completely. That is what these people are actually applauding. They had no way of knowing, at the time, that the archives would reappear within weeks on Scented Nectar's site.

Hmmm. Will try to find.

If any truly free thinkers ever needed a reason why these people must be fought tooth and nail, that should do it. There can be no freethought where there is no free expression.

Right on :D

[ConcentratedH2O, OM]

If Jen Mcreight really is depressed then I feel a bit bad for her. Depression is wank, but she doesn't do herself any favours at all with all this "pity-me-I'm-a-tortured-voice-of-this-generation" shite.

I was thinking that too, she seems completely fucked up.

Paging Chris Crocker! Chris Crocker to Youtube!

In the sense she is actively engaging in behaviors that go contrary to what, at least my councilor, would recommend for dealing with her mental issues, indicating that she is addicted to this kind of attention more than she cares about treating her depression, then yes, I feel sorry for her-- In the same sense I feel sorry for a heroin addict or alcoholic who has help, but will not stop abusing drugs.

http://www.gingersoftware.com/english-o ... -counselor

[ConcentratedH2O, OM]

If Jen Mcreight really is depressed then I feel a bit bad for her. Depression is wank, but she doesn't do herself any favours at all with all this "pity-me-I'm-a-tortured-voice-of-this-generation" shite.

I was thinking that too, she seems completely fucked up.

Paging Chris Crocker! Chris Crocker to Youtube!

In the sense she is actively engaging in behaviors that go contrary to what, at least my councilor, would recommend for dealing with her mental issues, indicating that she is addicted to this kind of attention more than she cares about treating her depression, then yes, I feel sorry for her-- In the same sense I feel sorry for a heroin addict or alcoholic who has help, but will not stop abusing drugs.

Yep. And it seems to me that she is likely to be getting encouraged to continue doing this shit by her so-called buddies, even if they don't mean to.

The whole "I am woman, I am invulnerable! Hear me roar!" narrative means that she may have her identity and self-worth tied in so closely with not having the metaphorical weak bladder that she just can't stop.

Maybe we shouldn't have laughed at her boyfriend ordering this strong female role model to get off the internet that one time. Perhaps it really was for the best mental health reasons.

Still...it was a fucking funny tweet.

[BarnOwl]

LOL @ the 'diversity' of these speakers:
https://twitter.com/PaulFidalgo/status/ ... 18/photo/1
BWAHAHAHA!

Look at these fucking hipsters!

[BarnOwl]

Hopefully Watson will complain about the privileged, old, white, cis-gendered male with a history of tasteless sexist behavior at cons that is booked to speak there.
It seems appropriate that Lindsay being the CEO of the org that's holding the con should speak, but what the hell is that dingbat PZ Myers doing there?

It's more fun than cleaning fish tanks?

Wait, I'm not sure about that, actually ....

[AbsurdWalls]

... my box here is open and untainted...

*pffft*

[Pitchguest]

LOL @ the 'diversity' of these speakers:
https://twitter.com/PaulFidalgo/status/ ... 18/photo/1
BWAHAHAHA!

Look at these fucking hipsters!

What are you talking about? I see blonde, brunette, redhead... oh. Wait.

[BarnOwl]

http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p60 ... de942d.png

lulz!

[welch]

If Jen Mcreight really is depressed then I feel a bit bad for her. Depression is wank, but she doesn't do herself any favours at all with all this "pity-me-I'm-a-tortured-voice-of-this-generation" shite.

I was thinking that too, she seems completely fucked up.

Paging Chris Crocker! Chris Crocker to Youtube!

In the sense she is actively engaging in behaviors that go contrary to what, at least my councilor, would recommend for dealing with her mental issues, indicating that she is addicted to this kind of attention more than she cares about treating her depression, then yes, I feel sorry for her-- In the same sense I feel sorry for a heroin addict or alcoholic who has help, but will not stop abusing drugs.

Yep. And it seems to me that she is likely to be getting encouraged to continue doing this shit by her so-called buddies, even if they don't mean to.

The whole "I am woman, I am invulnerable! Hear me roar!" narrative means that she may have her identity and self-worth tied in so closely with not having the metaphorical weak bladder that she just can't stop.

Not to get too philosophical, but if you refuse to treat your problem seriously, even when inconvenient, you have no chance of getting better, or consistently managing it.

[karlaporter]

Justin Vacula ‏@justinvacula 2m
Marcotte responds to my question, says she borrows language from UN - Crowd grumbles as question is read, mutters "justin" #wiscfi

Ok, that's funny.

There's lots of 'funny' here....

[karlaporter]

Justin Vacula ‏@justinvacula 2m
Marcotte responds to my question, says she borrows language from UN - Crowd grumbles as question is read, mutters "justin" #wiscfi

Ok, that's funny.

There's lots of 'funny' here....

[free thoughtpolice]

Ravens and eagles munching on a sea lion down the beach from chez thoughtpolice.

[katamari Damassi]

I would like to apologize to Al if his Chico pics were not for public diffusion. I just thought they were awefully, almost illegaly cute.

If Al asks so, could you, Lsuoma, remove them?

You didn't have Al's enthusiastic consent to post those pics?

RAPIST!

[justinvacula]

Ron Lindsay continuing to take a stand against Rebecca Watson and other detractors -

http://i.imgur.com/e3cyAN5.jpg

[karlaporter]

LOL @ the 'diversity' of these speakers:
https://twitter.com/PaulFidalgo/status/ ... 18/photo/1
BWAHAHAHA!

Look at these fucking hipsters!

What are you talking about? I see blonde, brunette, redhead... oh. Wait.

There is some gender diversity, the estimate is approx 30/70 men/women, some attendees with obvious physical disabilities (vision, mobility, etc) and undoubtedly many with invisible disabilities (is as true in the general population). Racial diversity is almost nil. Ideological diversity appears to be woefully lacking.

[Zenspace]

Justin Vacula ‏@justinvacula 2m
Marcotte responds to my question, says she borrows language from UN - Crowd grumbles as question is read, mutters "justin" #wiscfi

Ok, that's funny.

There's lots of 'funny' here....

Glad you could attend and keep Justin company. I suspect the odds of a positive experience were improved dramatically by your presence. Looks like things are off to a flying start. The tweets have been very entertaining!

[karlaporter]

Justin Vacula ‏@justinvacula 2m
Marcotte responds to my question, says she borrows language from UN - Crowd grumbles as question is read, mutters "justin" #wiscfi

Ok, that's funny.

There's lots of 'funny' here....

Glad you could attend and keep Justin company. I suspect the odds of a positive experience were improved dramatically by your presence. Looks like things are off to a flying start. The tweets have been very entertaining!

Flying............

[bovarchist]

Fucks sake Justin. Just say if you chickened out over the t-shirts. According to RocketHub some stupid bastard did pay you to wear them.

That was me. His shirt for tonight is a nice positive message.

VACULA MATATA!

[bovarchist]

BTW, it is 'vacula-rhymes-with-hakuna', right? Not 'vacula-rhymes-with-dracula'? I've long been a bit fuzzy on this.

[ThreeFlangedJavis]

Miri M. ‏@sondosia 3h
Not really comfortable w/ the comparison of oppressed people being silenced and privileged people being told to shut up and listen. #wiscfi

At least this is something approaching an argument. If you're 'privileged' you're not allowed to speak.

How do they know you are privileged if they won't let you speak?

[ThreeFlangedJavis]

If Jen Mcreight really is depressed then I feel a bit bad for her. Depression is wank, but she doesn't do herself any favours at all with all this "pity-me-I'm-a-tortured-voice-of-this-generation" shite.

Sometimes, when in depression, I will voice it at the Pit, or My FB official page, or any other outlet. I kinda understand the mechanics of doing so, and weirdly enough, it helps.

However, I don't use it to get victim points. I do it because it's a convenient way to let out my feelings (yes, we white cis-gendered males have these too).

But indeed, if Jen is depressed, I'd like to offer my support. All the best

/naïve?

I'm an expert at being depressed. One of the most effective ways to stay depressed is to play the "pity me, I'm so powerless" game. Feeling unable to affect your circumstances is a major contributor to depression. I do feel sorry for people in that cycle. Depression can easily lead to twisted thinking that blinds you to the way out of it.

[justinvacula]

Brave Hero Radio going live in minutes - LIVE from Women in Secularism Metro Mariott

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/bravehero/ ... -2-day-one

[DW Adams]

BTW, it is 'vacula-rhymes-with-hakuna', right? Not 'vacula-rhymes-with-dracula'? I've long been a bit fuzzy on this.

Va-cula, not Vac-ula...so yes, you're correct.

[Trophy]

My most most favorite link from the bra buster's facebook page, now taken over by feminists:

some-patriarchal-douchebag-brought-their-cats.

The URL says it all.

[zenbabe]

... my box here is open and untainted...

*pffft*

Le wink.

Depression is a beast. That Jen chick has a pretty hilariously whackadoodle approach to dealing with it (if her choices are even conscious). I'm climbing up from chronic depression which spun super acute a few years ago. Healing has been slow but the process started being pretty ..fun, actually, the past several months. Kind of kicking up. Recently started incorporating new things, exercising body and brain (the brain stuff is thanks to here and all that's sparked off from here, body too in a way, started using an ecig again thanks to you bastards), been creating art for the first time in years uncounted. It's something of an awakening. Twitter/blogging is, for me, a possibility bubbling up as something which (surprising myself) I'm contemplating attempting, since I'm waking up and becoming willing to open up to some extent, instead of shutting down walling off going private+++ in the downward spiral.

Anyway, just found a clip from Henry Rollins which some of you might enjoy during the pause in WiS shenanigans, that I heard back in the 90s and just heard again for the first time since then, regarding depression (start at around 2:30 if you like)

[youtube]n5u-kGlRSDA[/youtube]

(mmm eye and brain candy)

[bovarchist]

At this rate this silly conference is bound to erupt into a full-on Jets vs. Sharks dance brawl. I, for one, can't wait.

I'd rather wait for the feminists vs the transgenders. The dancing would probably be better.

[Whig]

Transcript of Ron Lindsey's WiS talk:

http://www.centerforinquiry.net/blogs/e ... k_at_wis2/