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Dick Strawkins wrote:Speaking of Swedish words, I was at a conference a few years ago with a group of colleagues from different countries. The final day of the meeting had an official conference dinner which would be attended by everyone and it was scheduled to start at 18.00
One of the attendees was from Sweden and looked the part - tall blonde and beautiful- and was a little worried about getting lost and missing the start of the dinner so I (gallantly!) suggested to her that we meet up beforehand.
Now what she actually replied to me was simply a suggestion of a time of 17.30
Unfortunately she made a common Swedish mistake of using the Swedish expression for that time "halv sex" meaning half six in English (the Swedes call the half hour differently to English speakers - half six means 17.30 in the Swedish style, with half seven being 18.30 and so on.)
So what I heard was: "Have sex?"
And no, we didn't :cry:

We're terrible teases. It doesn't cut down on the amount of innuendo that "sex" does not only mean "six" in Swedish, it also means, well, "sex". Oh, the hilarity.

Hunt wrote:PZ's foray into vlogging. Not bad for starters, but not exactly at Tfoot level of production quality. Now if we can only get him to turn on comments.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... riment-ok/

Fun thing to notice is that he only have gotten 500 views in the one day or so the video has been up. That's seriously low. I think I've seen Noelplum99 videos get more views than that in a day or two. FTB must be really bleeding readers if only 500 ppl bothered clicking the play button...

Pitchguest wrote:Haha. Wow. So I just found out that the Swedish word for tea time or coffee break (fika) is slang in Italian for cunt.

All this time.

Another "fun" thing is that the Swedish word for cunt is likely derived from a old word for mire... Put the surname "Myers" in a new light.

Oh, and Taslima is fucking nuts, and yeah, that tweet is certainly a violent threat by FTB standards.

cunt wrote:

Southern wrote:Oh, boo-hoo, the fat bearded sissy who likes to denounce gelatto shop owners but has yet to pick up a battle against Lil'Wayne and other rappers over sexism thinks the police work against a guy who planted bombs in a city is too harsh, too "manly".

Please, PZ, do tell me: at the top of your authority as a tentacle-rape manga specialist, what do you think the police should have done? Maybe thrown a squid over his head, your pansy sack of hypocrisy and cowardice?

It's just the shittiest example possible. One of the few situations where you could reasonably say that the police actually need that type of equipment. Peezus basically objects because the truck looks scary and attempts to paint it as the average police deployment in the USA. Fuck me, even in his scandinavia utopias they have and would use this equipment in that situation.

Breivik must have eaten too many paint chips as a kid. Or maybe there weren't enough after school sports programs? Can't be the price of alcohol though, they've got that part covered!

For BarnOwl:

https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7373903104/h0E8D61F7/

This just in:

http://m.guardian.co.uk/books/booksblog ... op-thinker

Looks like the mighty SJW 'down-with-all-old-cisgen-white-males-especially-that-mysogynist-Dawkins' movement might not be going so well two years in... :think:

Zenspace wrote:This just in:

http://m.guardian.co.uk/books/booksblog ... op-thinker

Looks like the mighty SJW 'down-with-all-old-cisgen-white-males-especially-that-mysogynist-Dawkins' movement might not be going so well two years in... :think:

It actually states in the article that they had a bit of an issue trying to reconcile how to only poll "old white cis dudebros" since old and dudebro are mutually exclusive. Then they said "Fuck it! As long as you show up to the WWWHC(Wealthy White Women Haters Club), we care what you think!"

So half-fish-mcbites has a new post up, where in he gets about 100% of the relevant facts wrong.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/crommunist/ ... ton-nazis/

Firstly, There was no Martial Law in Boston, there was a "Shelter in place" order from the Gov. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shelter_in_place. Which is an emergency procedure which typically only for up to 48 hours.

Secondly, the Boston police/FBI/Swat did not break into or "bust" into anyone's homes, they merely had the equipment present to do so if they had to. They rang bells, talked to owners, then searched. They also investigated homes that had no response to see if there was a window open, or broken, or something else that might indicate someone had broken into the home to hide(note: this can be and was done from outside the home).

Lastly, Jamie claimes that the US passed the CISpa http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyber_Inte ... ection_Act in the wake of the tragedy. Despite that it had passed the house before, failed in the senate, and obama threatened a veto. So it passed the house again, guess that means it's US law....

I refuse to post on Crommunists blog since he edits comments and seems to be rather proud of that fact. Anyone else is welcome to bring up such points if they wish.

Remick wrote:So half-fish-mcbites has a new post up, where in he gets about 100% of the relevant facts wrong.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/crommunist/ ... ton-nazis/

Firstly, There was no Martial Law in Boston, there was a "Shelter in place" order from the Gov. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shelter_in_place. Which is an emergency procedure which typically only for up to 48 hours.

Secondly, the Boston police/FBI/Swat did not break into or "bust" into anyone's homes, they merely had the equipment present to do so if they had to. They rang bells, talked to owners, then searched. They also investigated homes that had no response to see if there was a window open, or broken, or something else that might indicate someone had broken into the home to hide(note: this can be and was done from outside the home).

Lastly, Jamie claimes that the US passed the CISpa http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyber_Inte ... ection_Act in the wake of the tragedy. Despite that it had passed the house before, failed in the senate, and obama threatened a veto. So it passed the house again, guess that means it's US law....

I refuse to post on Crommunists blog since he edits comments and seems to be rather proud of that fact. Anyone else is welcome to bring up such points if they wish.

As usual with fishies posts, it's almost impossible to figure out what his fucking point is. Generally fishy only gets around to formulating a fucking point somewhere in the middle of the comment section after that has screeched off at a tangent that seems completely unconnected tomthe original post.
He did, however, make one interesting observation:

(Though I’m confident very few women will fully comprehend this paradox, I can assure you from direct personal experience that being kicked directly in the clitoris is exactly the same scale and magnitude of pain as being kicked in the balls.)

I'm trying to figure out the logic of that.
Wouldn't it mean that fishy has both testicles AND a clitoris?
Otherwise how would he know? :think:

Dick Strawkins wrote:

(Though I’m confident very few women will fully comprehend this paradox, I can assure you from direct personal experience that being kicked directly in the clitoris is exactly the same scale and magnitude of pain as being kicked in the balls.)

I'm trying to figure out the logic of that.
Wouldn't it mean that fishy has both testicles AND a clitoris?
Otherwise how would he know? :think:

I'm guessing remembered past life experience. :doh:

Submariner wrote:

Dick Strawkins wrote:

(Though I’m confident very few women will fully comprehend this paradox, I can assure you from direct personal experience that being kicked directly in the clitoris is exactly the same scale and magnitude of pain as being kicked in the balls.)

I'm trying to figure out the logic of that.
Wouldn't it mean that fishy has both testicles AND a clitoris?
Otherwise how would he know? :think:

I'm guessing remembered past life experience. :doh:

Maybe he's a Scientologist and recently audited out a cunt punt engram.

With PZ's open support of a feminist blog so insane that ordinary people think it's a piss-take, Half-Fish's paradoxically laughable yet depressing ramblings, Taslima's scientific discovery of the direct link between men with small cocks and rapists and Greta Christina's foray into rape-porn-literature whilst denouncing rape-culture I wonder how long it is until either FTB changes it's name in an attempt to claw back a shred of reputation or just gives up altogether and disbands.

It's a sign of things that all this is going on and yet the Pit is so slow lately. We've seen it ALL. We have become so inured to the lunacy, the hyperbole and the complete and utter hypocritical bullshit from FTB that I don't think anything less than PZ Myers running naked into the street, barking at cars and writing "HELP ME" onto his chest using his own turd as a pencil would faze us.

PZ Myers must cry himself asleep every night thinking about how far his star has fallen in the past two years. From chumming it up with the legendary Dawkins to barely scraping a handful of comments on his shitty blog from the same ten people over, and over, and over and that's only when he blogs about fem-drama. I don't even know why he attempts science blogging anymore because when he does the collective commentary silence, even from the sycophants, is so apparent he might as well post an animated tumbleweed GIF instead.


It would be sad if it wasn't so beautiful.

Dick Strawkins wrote:Speaking of Swedish words, I was at a conference a few years ago with a group of colleagues from different countries. The final day of the meeting had an official conference dinner which would be attended by everyone and it was scheduled to start at 18.00
One of the attendees was from Sweden and looked the part - tall blonde and beautiful- and was a little worried about getting lost and missing the start of the dinner so I (gallantly!) suggested to her that we meet up beforehand.
Now what she actually replied to me was simply a suggestion of a time of 17.30
Unfortunately she made a common Swedish mistake of using the Swedish expression for that time "halv sex" meaning half six in English (the Swedes call the half hour differently to English speakers - half six means 17.30 in the Swedish style, with half seven being 18.30 and so on.)
So what I heard was: "Have sex?"
And no, we didn't :cry:

Pffffthahahahahahaha! Bet she was embarassed. :lol:

Tony Parsehole wrote: ...PZ Myers must cry himself asleep every night thinking about how far his star has fallen in the past two years...

Given what we've learned about Peezus' feelings for tentacle rape porn, if all he does at night is cry we should all be deeply relieved.

Seems we have a new Mabus infection called Deltaexmachina. Shouldn't be long before he pops up here.

Tony Parsehole wrote:With PZ's open support of a feminist blog so insane that ordinary people think it's a piss-take, Half-Fish's paradoxically laughable yet depressing ramblings, Taslima's scientific discovery of the direct link between men with small cocks and rapists and Greta Christina's foray into rape-porn-literature whilst denouncing rape-culture I wonder how long it is until either FTB changes it's name in an attempt to claw back a shred of reputation or just gives up altogether and disbands.

It's a sign of things that all this is going on and yet the Pit is so slow lately. We've seen it ALL. We have become so inured to the lunacy, the hyperbole and the complete and utter hypocritical bullshit from FTB that I don't think anything less than PZ Myers running naked into the street, barking at cars and writing "HELP ME" onto his chest using his own turd as a pencil would faze us.

PZ Myers must cry himself asleep every night thinking about how far his star has fallen in the past two years. From chumming it up with the legendary Dawkins to barely scraping a handful of comments on his shitty blog from the same ten people over, and over, and over and that's only when he blogs about fem-drama. I don't even know why he attempts science blogging anymore because when he does the collective commentary silence, even from the sycophants, is so apparent he might as well post an animated tumbleweed GIF instead.


It would be sad if it wasn't so beautiful.

Sure, that is why we seem to take turns pointing out the bullshit.

PG 2003:
http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/1451/pg2003.jpg

PG 2013:
http://img542.imageshack.us/img542/1433/pitchg3.png

I still look like a twat.

Dick Strawkins wrote:

Cunning Punt wrote:

sacha wrote:
When I enjoy a series, I usually fly through episodes - sometimes 4 a day, however I'm watching with a friend, and therefore I am on his schedule... I must say all the doggie style is a splendid bonus

Yes, plus it's a nice way for the family to bond.

If your family is like the Lannisters, I guess. :roll:

I liked the giant and the little blond girl, before she decided to get on top, but I'm a sick fuck.

ThreeFlangedJavis wrote:Seems we have a new Mabus infection called Deltaexmachina. Shouldn't be long before he pops up here.

Already banned once.

A documentary about a 'six-inch alien' proves that it's not a 'six-inch alien' at all (shocking!)

It's actually human.

:o

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/2 ... 35628.html

Remick wrote:

Zenspace wrote:This just in:

http://m.guardian.co.uk/books/booksblog ... op-thinker

Looks like the mighty SJW 'down-with-all-old-cisgen-white-males-especially-that-mysogynist-Dawkins' movement might not be going so well two years in... :think:

It actually states in the article that they had a bit of an issue trying to reconcile how to only poll "old white cis dudebros" since old and dudebro are mutually exclusive. Then they said "Fuck it! As long as you show up to the WWWHC(Wealthy White Women Haters Club), we care what you think!"

I didn't find commentary in the article along those lines, although there was this:

...the selectors' remit ruthlessly insisted on "influence over the past 12 months" and "significance to the year's biggest questions".

This requirement may have been a factor in the top 10 being all-male (presumably a source of frustration to the five women on the selection panel, including Prospect's editor Bronwen Maddox), with longlistees such as Hilary Mantel, Martha Nussbaum and Sheryl Sandberg not making it through to the elite of the elite, and the likes of Germaine Greer and Naomi Klein not even making it into the 65. But it may also, of course, simply reflect the gender make-up of the monthly's readership.

This seems a bit different than your take on it. The qualifications were quite narrow with that remit, being focused on recent current events. There were five women on the selection board, although the article does not mention the number of men (5, 10, 100?). There is that reference to the readership, which implies some sort of poll was taken, but no other reference is made in that regard. Were the selections made only by the Selection Board, the readers or some combination of the two? The article does not say.

The article then closes with this, which also reflects the effects of the qualifying remit:

As for Dawkins, the continuation of wars of religion and terrorist atrocities informed by it means his atheist crusade remains relevant to the year's biggest questions, despite the end of the Bible-bashing, war-mongering Bush era in which he first raised his banner – this week his 670,000 Twitter followers could find him (between musings about socks) rejoicing in France's legalisation of gay marriage, ridiculing a journalist's Muslim beliefs, and retweeting a story that the older Boston bomber "was angry that the world pictured Islam as a violent religion". On Monday, no doubt manfully resisting efforts to deify or idolise him, the world No 1 will attend the premiere in Toronto of a documentary about his roadshow (with Lawrence Krauss) promoting science and reason.

Dawkins remains very active on the forefront of the hot topics of the day and carries a very large footprint within the media, social and traditional, so given the specifics of the remit it is a given he will finish high in the standings.

Anyway, the poll aside, one of the things that really flipped me off with the influx of the SJW crowd into the atheist spaces was their attitude and intent to bury their white, male, cisgen predecessors so they could take over their hard earned positions as representatives of the modern atheist 'movement'. They actually believed they had the numbers and influence to do that (courtesy of their carefully maintained echo chambers, no doubt). When I jumped back into the fray to see what the fuss was about, and tried to point out to them what a very badly thought out strategy that was, well, you can guess how well that went! The upshot is that there is a certain satisfaction in seeing my predictions play out.

I was make joke.

I can imagine Pitchguest 2013 alongside a newspaper headline: ".....Police fear the actual total may be significantly higher".

Love the new Pit headline.

Taslima: Fanaticism thrives when people feel strong enough to threaten others :0

See her Twitter for context - I Rtd

And the Porridge-Wog returned and all was well on the Pit.
Good to see you mate.

bhoytony wrote:Taslima

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!
How did you do that?

Forget that last comment....
*reads website*
*hangs head in shame*

Remick wrote:I was make joke.

Ah. Silly me. Missed that completely. Just goes to show what can become 'normalized' when exposed to too much of it. :oops:

Zenspace wrote:Anyway, the poll aside, one of the things that really flipped me off with the influx of the SJW crowd into the atheist spaces was their attitude and intent to bury their white, male, cisgen predecessors so they could take over their hard earned positions as representatives of the modern atheist 'movement'.

The meta-narrative that I've become aware of, particularly from things like Richard Carrier's recent A+ talk, is the idea that the atheism movement has recently burgeoned of its own accord. That Dawkins, Hitchens, etc. were just accidentally latched onto as the figureheads (because society is ageist, racist and sexist, and those were the only bunch of old white guys available).

OK, don't tell anyone, but I've got hold of what I've been told is an advance copy of PZ's new book!
Rumor has it there's a slight hiccup with the publishers as they try to get some better quotes for the back cover...

http://i.imgur.com/cZCRgzu.jpg

And the back cover:

http://i.imgur.com/OjUrIVY.jpg

Tony Parsehole wrote:With PZ's open support of a feminist blog so insane that ordinary people think it's a piss-take, Half-Fish's paradoxically laughable yet depressing ramblings, Taslima's scientific discovery of the direct link between men with small cocks and rapists and Greta Christina's foray into rape-porn-literature whilst denouncing rape-culture I wonder how long it is until either FTB changes it's name in an attempt to claw back a shred of reputation or just gives up altogether and disbands.

It's a sign of things that all this is going on and yet the Pit is so slow lately. We've seen it ALL. We have become so inured to the lunacy, the hyperbole and the complete and utter hypocritical bullshit from FTB that I don't think anything less than PZ Myers running naked into the street, barking at cars and writing "HELP ME" onto his chest using his own turd as a pencil would faze us.

PZ Myers must cry himself asleep every night thinking about how far his star has fallen in the past two years. From chumming it up with the legendary Dawkins to barely scraping a handful of comments on his shitty blog from the same ten people over, and over, and over and that's only when he blogs about fem-drama. I don't even know why he attempts science blogging anymore because when he does the collective commentary silence, even from the sycophants, is so apparent he might as well post an animated tumbleweed GIF instead.


It would be sad if it wasn't so beautiful.

The thing I find is that the flood of hypocrisy coming from FTB is such a torrent, I can hardly keep up with it. Here, for example, as provided by a quick glance at Ophie's blog just moments ago:

Mehdi fights dirty. Maryam has nothing to do with the EDL or fascism; she denounces both.

He’s right that Muslims are a target group, but he’s dead wrong that all critics of Islam are xenophobic anti-Muslim bigots.

How often have we been told by sundry persons (including Pruney herself, if I remember rightly) at FTB that the Pit is little more than a front for AVFM? And that someone who might criticise the merest of the tenets of certain feminist ideas (or just Rebecca Watson) is a misogynistic, woman-hating bigot?

Do these people have no idea what they sound like? And do they seriously think that their...inconsistencies will always get a free pass?

Dick Strawkins wrote:http://i.imgur.com/OjUrIVY.jpg

Thank you. Fit of laughter much appreciated. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Tigzy wrote: Do these people have no idea what they sound like? And do they seriously think that their...inconsistencies will always get a free pass?

I think they do realize what they sound like - which is the reason why they are so quick to label any criticism as harrassment.
It must piss them off something rotten to see the recent popularity in 'dramatic readings' of online writings and the accompanying logic behind this kind of mocking criticism.
Just look at this recent article on CNN regarding the sorority girl rant
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/04/24/tech/ ... hpt=hp_bn6

But it also hammers home a digital-era lesson that common sense suggests would have been clear a decade ago, but which example after example shows remains lost on many of us: If you share something with anyone on the Web, it's liable to be shared with everyone on the Web. And the fallout won't always be pleasant.

"In this Internet day and age, just assume that everything you put out into the ethers in writing is the equivalent of LiveJournals of yore," said Brenna Ehrlich, a senior editor at MTV and a CNN Tech contributor who has written about online etiquette. "Someone is going to read it and mock you. Proceed carefully."

We covered this in 3 of the 12 entries in our own "Rules of the Internet" earlier this year:

-- Anything you post will eventually become public

-- Anything you post can and will be used against you

-- If you post something epically stupid, it will go viral

Jon Stewart is even making regular cunt-punt jokes based on that one email!

Ophelia must be livid!
:D

Before I forget, speaking of Ophelia getting annoyed at those who joke about crotch kicks...

http://i.imgur.com/ujSA2yr.jpg

Dick Strawkins, you're on form today.

Scented Nectar wrote:

Dick Strawkins wrote:http://i.imgur.com/OjUrIVY.jpg

Thank you. Fit of laughter much appreciated. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Ditto! That post is chock full of awesome! :clap: :lol: :clap:

bhoytony wrote:Taslima

Fucking great!

I LOVE how the "TV" part of the logo looks like a rubber johnny!!

(Oh, and good to see you back, you old cunt!)

Dick Strawkins wrote:Before I forget, speaking of Ophelia getting annoyed at those who joke about crotch kicks...

http://i.imgur.com/ujSA2yr.jpg

Look at comment #23

Sven DiMilo wrote: Magic’s got nuts? Isn’t there female magic to kick? Where does science kick it?
Kicking ovaries causes collateral damage.

It doesn't really make sense, or land as a successful joke. But it's obviously an attempt. How would that same comment play today?

Parody Accountant wrote: Look at comment #23

Look at the comment section in general! Over ten comments and no Nerd, No Brownian, No Elf sherrifs or queer-shoops or spokesgays or any other fucking mong from present day Pharyngula.

How often have we been told by sundry persons (including Pruney herself, if I remember rightly) at FTB that the Pit is little more than a front for AVFM? And that someone who might criticise the merest of the tenets of certain feminist ideas (or just Rebecca Watson) is a misogynistic, woman-hating bigot?

Do these people have no idea what they sound like? And do they seriously think that their...inconsistencies will always get a free pass?

Well yeah, but seriously fucking Mehdi "the kufar are described in the Qu'ran as people of no intelligence, as cattle" Hasan is on twitter throwing old quotes around. lol

Pitchguest wrote:PG 2003:
http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/1451/pg2003.jpg

I've seen this picture at another forum, I think.

Skeeve wrote:

Pitchguest wrote:PG 2003:
http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/1451/pg2003.jpg

I've seen this picture at another forum, I think.

Probably this one.

Tony Parsehole wrote:

Parody Accountant wrote: Look at comment #23

Look at the comment section in general! Over ten comments and no Nerd, No Brownian, No Elf sherrifs or queer-shoops or spokesgays or any other fucking mong from present day Pharyngula.

Now that you mention it... wow. Some of these old posts are such a trip.

http://www.clevelandwomen.com/images/ev ... maries.jpg

http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p60 ... 2fa863.png

So much for getting privileged Westerners to give up buying new electronic gadgets whenever the whim takes them.

Maybe he'll donate the fucken iPadde to an inner city school or something. I bette notte, though.

BarnOwl wrote:
So much for getting privileged Westerners to give up buying new electronic gadgets whenever the whim takes them.

Maybe he'll donate the fucken iPadde to an inner city school or something. I bette notte, though.

He's probably been struggling for years to teach his gadgets how he spells his naughty words. This was a big day for him.

EEEEEEeeeeeEEEEEEEEEEEeeeEEEE!!!!1!!!!!

[youtube]4icW2RQEqSg[/youtube]

Watch what happens at about 0:40.

sacha wrote: I'm a sick fuck.

Talk talk talk. Let me buy you a drink.

speaking about android apps, anyone using tapatalk on here? I went to the play store and there seem to be different versions... any advice? I'm using a galaxy s3.

JAB wrote:speaking about android apps, anyone using tapatalk on here? I went to the play store and there seem to be different versions... any advice? I'm using a galaxy s3.

I do. It works. Get the version marked "latest".

Dick Strawkins wrote:OK, don't tell anyone, but I've got hold of what I've been told is an advance copy of PZ's new book!

Geez, hasn't he actually published that white elephant yet? Freaking fossilized Triceratops eggs have waited less time to hatch.

Ok so now i'm using tapatalk... nicely painless

BarnOwl wrote:http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p60 ... 2fa863.png

So much for getting privileged Westerners to give up buying new electronic gadgets whenever the whim takes them.

Maybe he'll donate the fucken iPadde to an inner city school or something. I bette notte, though.

Oh thank cthulu he's on androidde. He's such a dumbasse about compputerres that watching him fuck up something that, literally, monkeys can figure out was painful.

Mykeru wrote:

Dick Strawkins wrote:OK, don't tell anyone, but I've got hold of what I've been told is an advance copy of PZ's new book!

Geez, hasn't he actually published that white elephant yet? Freaking fossilized Triceratops eggs have waited less time to hatch.

Chinese Democracy took less time.

Duke Nukem Forever took less time.

Both are most likely more enjoyable that that screed will be.

Because Ophelia's getting up there, and her hearing may not be what it was...ASL to the rescue!

[youtube]7VHwd43Xwjk[/youtube]

Skeeve wrote:

Pitchguest wrote:PG 2003:
http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/1451/pg2003.jpg

I've seen this picture at another forum, I think.

I thought so too, but it turned out to be someone who just looked the spitting image of young PG.

http://i.imgur.com/40WTUR2l.jpg

Should I put the lotion on my skin? ;)

lovely to see you, bhoytony

Wow! We get both Bhoytony and Mykeru back on the same day (coincidence?). Cool to see you guys are still around.

And a great shot of Ted Levin (I loved him as Alan Shepard in From the Earth to the Moon. The episode about Apollo 14 was the one that prompted me to get tested for Ménière's).

I think FtB has reached a point where we don't need to point out the crazy. It's harder to point out the sanity.