If thou gazest long into the Pit, the Pit will also gaze into thee

Guest wrote:

justinvacula wrote:Lol PZ Myers suggests I 'wallow in drama.' How about him?

he creates the drama of course

but YOU wallow in it

asshole

You should capitalise the first letters of a sentence or it makes you look silly. Anyway come join us, or are you scared of being auto banned in that hive of justice and freedom?

If you have a beef I'm sure we are more than happy to discuss it.

Setar has missed his calling. If I was his career advisor I would nudge him into auditioning for this brilliant *cough* American sitcom:

[youtube]mcEZcccBEt0[/youtube]

He'd fit in really well casted as a minority social justice internet warrior and/or special guest episode writer. He would add a lot to the show.

Either the above is a brilliant idea or I've as recently as last night discovered this series and have the hots for Kat Dennings (the brunette).

Both can be correct....

rocko2466 wrote:

katamari Damassi wrote:

comslave wrote:

katamari Damassi wrote:Welcome Southern! I love Brazil! Well I've never been to Brazil but a lot of my favorite porn comes from there.

Queue Sir Mix-a-lot.

I'm gay, and Brazil has some of the best gay porn out there, although I hear a lot of the actors are just "gay for pay".

No. You can't be gay. This is the Slymepit. You're male, white, heterosexual and rapey.

C'mon, 3 out 4 ain't bad.

Jack wrote:

DGS wrote:

Dick Strawkins wrote: By the way, now that you've posted here you are automatically banned from Pharyngula as a slymepitter! :D

Oh, that's okay. I only visited their briefly anyway. I'm planning to have a productive year so I've sworn off arguing with idiots. Speaking of which (being productive - not arguing with idiots) I'm writing a comedy show. Like my page and inspire me! :D https://www.facebook.com/WomanIsNotMySlaveName

Are you booked for the Edinburgh Festival?

No, I'm gonna guerilla the fringe. I'm starting up a kickstarter page soon and also having a business meet on Sat.

DGS wrote:

Jack wrote:

DGS wrote:

Dick Strawkins wrote: By the way, now that you've posted here you are automatically banned from Pharyngula as a slymepitter! :D

Oh, that's okay. I only visited their briefly anyway. I'm planning to have a productive year so I've sworn off arguing with idiots. Speaking of which (being productive - not arguing with idiots) I'm writing a comedy show. Like my page and inspire me! :D https://www.facebook.com/WomanIsNotMySlaveName

Are you booked for the Edinburgh Festival?

No, I'm gonna guerilla the fringe. I'm starting up a kickstarter page soon and also having a business meet on Sat.

Well good luck with that, I know its expensive whatever you do.

I was saving this for the next julian meltdown, but i just can't hold it any longer, so out it cums.

[youtube]v50dVvai5to[/youtube]

Over on Novella’s blog, Strange Sally sez:

Patriarcy seems to be a conspiracy theory blaming all of socities problems on ‘half’ the population without examining the issues of that demographic, which seems a bit myopic.

See, I didn’t even do any gender studies classes, like, ever. But I’ve done enough reading of feminist scholarship to recognize this as an argument on par with “If evolution is true, why are there still monkeys?”

If patriarchy “seems” like an anti-man conspiracy to you, then odds are you’ve been listening to anti-feminists.

Where have I heard this appeal to ‘scholarship’ before? Ah yes, I remember. It was when Islamists argued in favour of women wearing the burqa by referring to the works of 'Muslim scholars', and also when William Lane Craig maintained that the Empty Tomb was widely accepted as a fact by 'Bible scholars'. It’s the good old argument from authority, which enables Sally to place feminist cargo cult science on a par with the Theory of Evolution. As if scholarship per se validates an opinion.

Isn't it funny how radfems like Sally resort to the Courtier's Reply ('you should first read up on Feminism 101'), which they decry when theists do it ('you should study Aquinas before you can open your mouth on religion')?

http://theness.com/neurologicablog/inde ... g-forward/

Jan Steen wrote:Over on Novella’s blog, Strange Sally sez:

See, I didn’t even do any gender studies classes, like, ever. But I’ve done enough reading of feminist scholarship to recognize this as an argument on par with “If evolution is true, why are there still monkeys?”

If patriarchy “seems” like an anti-man conspiracy to you, then odds are you’ve been listening to anti-feminists.

Feminist scholarship -

Academics I trust assure me the scourge of political correctness in the universities is on the wane. Specifically, I’ve been told by an English literature professor at one Canadian university, and a PhD history candidate at another, that their respective departments are abandoning the impenetrable jargon of postmodernism and returning to the scholastic sobriety of yore.

Encouraging, but don’t put the champagne on ice quite yet. If Literature and History are indeed resuming their traditional mandates, they are, after all, real academic disciplines with a true scholarly base to return to.

This is regrettably not the case with Identity Studies — Womens/Gender/Men’s Studies (identical triplets), Queer, Black, Disability, Chicano — which are pseudo-disciplines. That is, they did not spring from a rational, disinterested spirit of inquiry into objective phenomena, but from revolutionary beliefs and theories about society. Identity Studies are to evidence-based scholarship as astrology is to astronomy. With astrology you buy the whole irrational, unsubstantiated package or leave it. So even if they wanted to moderate their perspective, with no authentic scholarly tradition to resume, they must, like sharks, keep swimming ahead vigorously or die.

Thanks Zenspace. I just felt like pissing on the phoney love parade, then it snowballed from there. I could have done a better job if I were less impulsive, but I didn't anticipate to stay that long or the receive all that attention.

franc wrote:

Apples wrote:Ophie has turned up a year-old Reap post that makes it pretty hard to argue he is a misogynist, and she and most commenters don't know what to make of it except to imply that he must have gone insane and become a misogynist in the past year.

Hyperdeath: "The past isn’t just another country, but a Bizzaro World, filled with people who barely resemble their planet Earth namesakes. Even some of Franc Hoggle’s early writings are perfectly sensible."

"He sounded like a human being"

And they deny that they use dehumanisation as a primary weapon for their substance free gibberish. Dehumanise, demonise and brand them insane. I believe this is the same process that was used at one time to throw old spinsters into bonfires. Nothing ever changes.

I'm just hoping hyperdeath will start a thread on Atheism Plus - "The Early Writings of Franc Hoggle"

If you replace "social anxiety" with "entitled layabout with an over inflated sense of self-worth" Setar's whine list works just as well. People with genuine social anxiety do not tend to join in in real world "activism" nor do they tend to air their personal dirty laundry proudly to strangers. Social anxiety does not just happen IRL, those who suffer from it often have difficulty communicating online too, let alone doing so in such a strident and aggressive manner.

I suspect he is using (at best) a convenient childhood diagnosis as an excuse to continue his aggressive indolence. Since it is claimed he just sits in and smokes cannabis all day, perhaps his real issue is that of cannabis psychosis. Perhaps he is just a horrid individual, there is such a thing as just being an arse, no diagnosis necessary.

They do like to brag about their recreational pharmacology that lot, how drunk they were, how they trawled the E.R.'s for sleeping pills.

Seems to me like they are attempting to be transgressive, when they are in fact, pitiful.

.........................................Anyone noticed that Watson hasn't said anything in support of Harriet Hall and Surly Amy talking?

CommanderTuvok wrote:As someone said earlier, I don't want peace with the likes of PZ Myers and Rebecca Watson. They have entrenched their positions and you only have to look how they have reacted over the Harriet Hall incident to see they have not changed. They have not apologised, have not hinted that they might be wrong, and if push comes to shove, you can guarentee they will start to fling shit at TAM and other conferences not sucking up to their insane demands. That is why, despite Harriet's offer of conciliation, the wider community will STILL be hostile to them if they carry on with their shit.

Exactly.

John Brown wrote:Yeah, here's the thing, EllenBeth, since you are being willfully dense. Men tell other men this fucking shit all the time. Don't be stupid and get yourself into situations you can't get yourself out of. Don't go drinking alone in strange places. Don't wander off with strangers. Know how to protect yourself. Dress properly. That's what we do because that's the fucking world we live in. It's a rough, violent world out there. Men get there asses beat, mugged, raped, stabbed, shot, and harassed all the time. We understand this, so we take precautions against it. We don't pretend that it's a fantasy candy land where you can do whatever the fuck you want to do, anywhere you want to do it and never, ever suffer any consequences for it.

This whole argument from these feminists that you can't tell girls and young women the same is one of the actually harmful effects of this demented mindset. This argument is very prevalent on the tumblr feminist/girl power sites that are very popular with teenage girls. As the parent of a teenage girl I think this is actually harmful. I hear them talking about this in the real world - these profoundly unhelpful feminists are actually endangering a whole bunch of young women IMO.

The delightful Joanna Lumley - who is also an atheist! - got into a shitstorm for stating the freaking obvious!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/artic ... Patsy.html

rocko2466 wrote:

Submariner wrote:Not my best work but meh, you misogynist cunts don't deserve better:

Who's the old guy in all of Submariner's videos?

Old!??

aqi wrote:.........................................Anyone noticed that Watson hasn't said anything in support of Harriet Hall and Surly Amy talking?

Because there's no way she can do so and stir up more drama without looking like a total shit, even too her supporters.

Should read "to her supporters". Damned no edit function!

aqi wrote:.........................................Anyone noticed that Watson hasn't said anything in support of Harriet Hall and Surly Amy talking?

She's quite busy with jigsaw puzzles at the moment - I believe she just announced on twitter that she had ordered another one.

Something positive from the University of Minnesota! (Thought the poor place could use some balance, considering certain employees.)

http://dyingunderalienstars.files.wordp ... -small.jpg
The story of this particular owl.

Mmmm owl ice-cream. Looks delicious.

Apples wrote:Mmmm owl ice-cream. Looks delicious.

It would taste of mouse bones and vole fur, unfortunately.

Notice that the fabric has mice on it ... at least someone up there has a sense of humor. And the photo of the owl being weighed on the scale is adorable!

It's nice of the Skepchicks to forgive her, and invite Harriet Hall back to the fold.

I do so love a happy ending.

http://i.imgur.com/3IuWfVI.jpg

debaser71 wrote:

welch wrote:

debaser71 wrote:

welch wrote:

debaser71 wrote:
The last time I wrote a letter to Town Hall all sorts of nonsense ensued...all the way to CNN. It was a lesson on our sensationalistic media. Dude, my entire "town" was "outraged!" I tell you.

I'm glad for the other people who do, however, actually push back against these sort of things. I'm, for now, done with any sort of activism. The best I can do is to help my kids become functioning, critical thinking, and thoughtful adults.

So while it was bad, it wasn't bad enough for you to speak out against. Not bagging on you here, but you show what I'm talking about. There's a LOT of stuff that is generally stupid and crazy as fuck, (I live in FL. I automatically win the "Stupid and Crazy as fuck shit happening where you live" contest. Always), but in general, most people realize that unless it becomes a pattern, fuck it.

There was one of those fundie program things at my high school, in miami in the early 80s. My parents were not happy, but, they reasoned, unless it became a regular thing, it's not like all the kids were going to turn into baptists. So, they let it go. Same thing here. If Ann Coulter showed up to give the commencement at my kid's school, it would be annoying, but fuck it, one time thing. Now, if she's at ALL the commencements, then that's a different story.

it's called "not freaking out all the fucking time" and it's a really good way to pick your battles. I highly recommend it.

Ummm ok?

But the point is that these whacky preacher like feminists aren't simply talking to half empy chairs in their local city college lecture halls.

And on the larger point, of "what's the harm" there's the "what's the big deal?" charge too. The religious defenders use this one too! "Oh what's the big deal that school children pledge under god for 13 years 180 days of the year? Ok Mr. Defender, if it's not a big deal, then just remove that phrase and be done with it? Right? What's the big deal, eh? A lot of atheist activism is reactionary...not saying that's always a good thing, but the context in which these things occur matters. Yadda yadda yadda...I think everyone here has heard all this before.

Anyway, like I said, I'd rather put my efforts into preventing such nonsensical minor shit have too large of an impact on my kids.

And how many radfems emerged from that lecture? About as many atheists "converted" by saying "under god". There's a lot of crazy people preaching crazy shit, and sometimes, people are going to listen to them. But "sometimes" isn't "all the time" and the fact that some people are willing to buy into crazy-assed shit to feel special doesn't mean that everyone is.

I don't particularly like the shit Ann Coulter says, but am I *afraid* of her? Hardly.

See the bolded part? No, it's every school day for 13 years straight. It's at every school and town hall event. Every single one.

Anyway, for me, rather than try to change society I focus on my own personal relationships.

So every school day, in every school and every town hall in the country, there's a multi-hour presentation that the kids have to attend about RadFem. No math. no history, no English, no nothing. Just six hours of RadFem a day.

Wow. Because none of that happened the ENTIRE TIME MY SON WAS IN SCHOOL. In three states.

I guess Massachusetts, Missouri and FL are centers of enlightenment?

rocko2466 wrote:

Gefan wrote:

cunt wrote:Poor Setar, life has been tough for him. Maybe he could re-train as a plumber and out-earn PZ.

When I read Setar I'm embarrassed to admit I probably thought similarly at around age thirteen. I don't know how old Setar is but he's clearly, chronologically, an adult. What's astonishing, and rather frightening is that people with that level of immaturity are running around loose with full adult rights and a pathological aversion to responsibility of any kind.
Roth throws a screaming tantrum at a T-Shirt and runs home crying. Hensley fakes a nervous breakdown because of internet push-back and retires (again) to bed while taking a momentary break from self-inflicted social media drama to download disability application forms. Setar demands more handouts because, well, I don't know. College was too hard?
How did we get this far as a species?

To be fair, I don't think Hensley was faking it. I think she is unstable and just can't handle normal human interaction.

She's no more unstable than anyone else who's a raging attention whore and requires everyone around her to constantly affirm her worth and value.

I'll just recycle this image in honor of Jason Tibbidolt's current tut-tutty post on splash damage and that cocksucker Linus Torvalds.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/lousycanuck ... sh-damage/
http://new.freezepage.com/1361969592LQAZJJWEEO

http://i.imgur.com/XGMkAWJ.jpg

justinvacula wrote:New video I uploaded in response to Zvan:

"Why do some feminists online experience a great deal of negative feedback while others do not? I hypothesize that the way they present themselves online has something to do with it. Magical 'harassment faeries' don't just appear out of nowhere."

[youtube]64GYusPicPc[/youtube]

You two just need to get a room and work out some excess energy.

Apples wrote:I'm just hoping hyperdeath will start a thread on Atheism Plus - "The Early Writings of Franc Hoggle"

As if. For someone with as filthy a reputation as mine, no one has EVER linked anything of mine. That would implode whatever argument being made. Seriously, NO ONE has ever linked me EVER. Yet I seem to be a household word.

That is not an easy reputation to build intentionally. Serendipity more like it. Right electrodes to right nerves. I think this is the real reason losers like oooooooooooooooooooooooolon hate me. They try so hard. I don't lift a finger.

Apples wrote:I'll just recycle this image in honor of Jason Tibbidolt's current tut-tutty post on splash damage and that cocksucker Linus Torvalds.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/lousycanuck ... sh-damage/
http://new.freezepage.com/1361969592LQAZJJWEEO

http://i.imgur.com/XGMkAWJ.jpg

LOL. I don't even know what to make of that.

AndrewV69 wrote:

welch wrote: Something that causes actual harm to anyone. Fuck, I'd take video of her kicking some guy in the nuts. THAT would be far more than you've come up with.

So is that your definition of "real harm"?

it is *A* definition of harm. not the only one, nor is it complete. Sorry, not giving you a laundry list so you can find an edge case and then try to tell me that's how things are every day for every man. You're really bad at hiding your intentions.

AndrewV69 wrote:

welch wrote: Is the MRA movement really based on fear?

You are the one insisting that it is.

Based on what you've written I am. You spend a lot of time afraid of things. You should try not being afraid all the time. It's rather liberating. Also, hiding under the bed gets a bit boring.

AndrewV69 wrote:

welch wrote: Because I thought that at the root, it was about correcting a few key issues that are causing real problems, i.e. "harm", like the inequalities in family court issues, the tendency to convict men based on accusation for certain crimes, and the refusal of the justice system to take crimes committed by women as seriously as the same crimes committed by men.

So those "few key issues" just came out of thin air? There was nothing backing the policies that resulted in the "few key issues"?

Lawmakers, courts, the police, social services et all suddenly started creating these "few key issues" just because?

The roots of inequalities in family court predate the radfem movement by some decades. But, if you have hard, verifiable proof that *none* of those issues existed before radfems, by all means present your proof of the fucking paradise society was prior to the 1960s/1970s.

AndrewV69 wrote:

welch wrote: Those are real problems that cause real harm. Instead, all I see from you are endless streams of FUD about Catherine Mckinnon and OMG FEMINISTS.

Are you going to define what "real harm" is or not?

No more than I am going to define what "taking a shit is". I'm not here to make your life easy. If you think you have proof of actual harm, by all means present it. As we've seen, when presented with proof, (not handwaving and fearmongering), I'm perfectly willing to admit mistakes, as I did with the Summers derivatives timelines.

Show me the money already.

AndrewV69 wrote:

welch wrote: I now see why the MRM movement has so many issues.

I am starting to see that you may have more that a few issues. One of them being hand waving. Another being you behaving like one of those "New Media Douchbags" you keep going on about. You also appear to subscribe to "fuzzy logic".

Are you going to clearly define what "real harm" means to you or not?

You're the one making the claims that radfems are taking over the world and if we don't stop them SOMETHING BAD WILL HAPPEN! ANY MINUTE NOW.

I'm the one saying you're a scared little man who wants attention and manages to feel important by trying to scare people into agreeing with you. You, JTO, Elam, and quite frankly, a rather large chunk of the MRM movement are about as self-aware as a half-empty can of day-old tuna. In that, you're not much different from that you oppose. You take a number of clearly-defineable issues which admittedly are problems, and start looking for boogey(wo)men in the corners everywhere. You turn overexcited college students, who, mind you get just as loud and stupid over minor mealplan changes as over MRM speakers, into the devil. They're young. Young people blow EVERYTHING out of proportion. I see my son do it all the time, he's 19. If you could get a degree in blowing things out of proportion, he'd have a fucking Ph.D.

The difference is, most people grow the fuck up at some point, and realize that you can't make everything TEH END OF TEH WURLD. At some point, you have to sit down and actually analyze things. I did this with Mckinnon et al YEARS ago, and that was when Edwin Fucking Meese was giving her lot a FAR larger platform than she has now. Even the internet wasn't as good a deal for her as that traveling geek show he ran.

Even then I realized that the people who would actually try to create her vision of society were the same numbers as any other fringe group, and that by and large, society routes around idiots the way the internet routes around damage. You don't pretend they don't exist, but you also don't elevate them to the levels you have.

Look at your fucking group, really look at that website and the people behind it, and the vast, the VAST amount of sheer idiocy and stupidity you have to say you disagree with or wish wasn't there and all the rest. You spend more time telling me what you DON'T agree with than what you do, and then you play the "but the rest of it, that's all dead bang right, and you should take it all VERY SERIOUSLY"? On a good day, there's rather a lot there that only differs in name and gender focus from the drivel hensley is spouting, yet because it's got a supposedly more advantageous label for me, I should suddenly accord drivel some serious weight? Hell, even *here*, when forced to dig beyond the hysteria, you've had to back off your original claims of "OMG SEE WHAT TEH RADFEMZ DID!!!" more than once. Doesn't that indicate ANYTHING to you?

Or is the movement so important to you that you ignore even reality?

ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:

ERV wrote:

Southern wrote:I thought that was the time for this fucking place to have a Brazilian registered user...

YAAAAAAAY!

Screw a Slymepit TAM meet-up-- LETS DO A WORLD CUP 2014 MEET-UP!!! We can all crash at Southerns house! YAAAAAAAAAY!!!

Partying on a Brazilian beach, drinking caipirinha and watching hot girls wearing nothing but a couple of shoelaces?

I'll think abou....yes please.

No shit. Fuck tam in the ear.

John Brown wrote:Good old EllenBeth Wachs on her Tumblr account:

http://i.imgur.com/PxZg5oF.png

Yeah, here's the thing, EllenBeth, since you are being willfully dense. Men tell other men this fucking shit all the time. Don't be stupid and get yourself into situations you can't get yourself out of. Don't go drinking alone in strange places. Don't wander off with strangers. Know how to protect yourself. Dress properly. That's what we do because that's the fucking world we live in. It's a rough, violent world out there. Men get there asses beat, mugged, raped, stabbed, shot, and harassed all the time. We understand this, so we take precautions against it. We don't pretend that it's a fantasy candy land where you can do whatever the fuck you want to do, anywhere you want to do it and never, ever suffer any consequences for it.

EllenBeth, you're the kind of person you would walk out in traffic without looking and expect society to blame the person who hit you because you had the right of way.

Jesus Christ, you're a petulant little child. Grow the fuck up.

http://mycatsaremygods.tumblr.com/post/ ... ps-for-men

I've been taking martial arts classes since 1990 or so. OMG!

Dick Strawkins wrote:It's nice of the Skepchicks to forgive her, and invite Harriet Hall back to the fold.

I do so love a happy ending.

http://i.imgur.com/3IuWfVI.jpg

Get off the stage Harriet! It's a trap!!!!

Jan Steen wrote:Over on Novella’s blog, Strange Sally sez:

Patriarcy seems to be a conspiracy theory blaming all of socities problems on ‘half’ the population without examining the issues of that demographic, which seems a bit myopic.

See, I didn’t even do any gender studies classes, like, ever. But I’ve done enough reading of feminist scholarship to recognize this as an argument on par with “If evolution is true, why are there still monkeys?”

If patriarchy “seems” like an anti-man conspiracy to you, then odds are you’ve been listening to anti-feminists.

Where have I heard this appeal to ‘scholarship’ before? Ah yes, I remember. It was when Islamists argued in favour of women wearing the burqa by referring to the works of 'Muslim scholars', and also when William Lane Craig maintained that the Empty Tomb was widely accepted as a fact by 'Bible scholars'. It’s the good old argument from authority, which enables Sally to place feminist cargo cult science on a par with the Theory of Evolution. As if scholarship per se validates an opinion.

Isn't it funny how radfems like Sally resort to the Courtier's Reply ('you should first read up on Feminism 101'), which they decry when theists do it ('you should study Aquinas before you can open your mouth on religion')?

http://theness.com/neurologicablog/inde ... g-forward/

My introduction to real feminism was in the Peace Corps. Desperate to read anything in English I picked up whatever books were stashed at the local PC house. These included: Our Bodies Ourselves, many, many issues of Ms. Magazine, and On Patriarchy by Phyllis Chesler, and I have to say that I share that first persons impression of patriarchy theory. For the record; Our Bodies Ourselves was actually quite good and practical in many ways, the patriarchy theory stuff was mostly wedged into essays about things everyone should know, and the author of On Patriarchy-Phyllis Chesler is now persona non grata with feminists because she became a zionist lunatic. You can see in On Patriarchy that she is clearly unhinged, paranoid, conspiracy minded, but it wasn't until she started writing the Meir Kahane stuff that feminists realized she was crazy.

EdwardGemmer wrote:

Apples wrote:I'll just recycle this image in honor of Jason Tibbidolt's current tut-tutty post on splash damage and that cocksucker Linus Torvalds.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/lousycanuck ... sh-damage/
http://new.freezepage.com/1361969592LQAZJJWEEO

http://i.imgur.com/XGMkAWJ.jpg

LOL. I don't even know what to make of that.

"But there’s absolutely zero reason for Linus to use such misogynistic and homophobic language."

I love it when straight people are offended for me. According to Jason, Torvalds crime was to describe Red Hat's toadying to Microsoft as a "dick sucking contest". As a dick sucker myself; I am in no way offended by this, but Jason is and would like a biscuit for it.

You may have heard that former FTB co-blogger (with JT) Christina Stephens dropped her car on her foot recently while fixing her brakes. She has now had it amputated, though before doing so she put up some vids (for those with a necrotic sense of curiosity):

http://www.youtube.com/user/AmputeeOT?feature=watch

Apples wrote:You may have heard that former FTB co-blogger (with JT) Christina Stephens dropped her car on her foot recently while fixing her brakes. She has now had it amputated, though before doing so she put up some vids (for those with a necrotic sense of curiosity):

http://www.youtube.com/user/AmputeeOT?feature=watch

Didn't JT have a girlfriend who once amputated one of her own toes just for shits and giggles? It's not the same friend is it?

katamari Damassi wrote:

Apples wrote:You may have heard that former FTB co-blogger (with JT) Christina Stephens dropped her car on her foot recently while fixing her brakes. She has now had it amputated, though before doing so she put up some vids (for those with a necrotic sense of curiosity):

http://www.youtube.com/user/AmputeeOT?feature=watch

Didn't JT have a girlfriend who once amputated one of her own toes just for shits and giggles? It's not the same friend is it?

Something like that happened, and I think it was Christina. I actually searched for it and couldn't find it -- seem to remember some cryptic conversation on twitter or on the blog that made it sound like she had cut a toe off. She did write a post on Body Integrity Identity Disorder awhile back, but it seems to be a 404:

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/wwjtd/2012 ... isability/

Apples wrote:

katamari Damassi wrote:

Apples wrote:You may have heard that former FTB co-blogger (with JT) Christina Stephens dropped her car on her foot recently while fixing her brakes. She has now had it amputated, though before doing so she put up some vids (for those with a necrotic sense of curiosity):

http://www.youtube.com/user/AmputeeOT?feature=watch

Didn't JT have a girlfriend who once amputated one of her own toes just for shits and giggles? It's not the same friend is it?

Something like that happened, and I think it was Christina. I actually searched for it and couldn't find it -- seem to remember some cryptic conversation on twitter or on the blog that made it sound like she had cut a toe off. She did write a post on Body Integrity Identity Disorder awhile back, but it seems to be a 404:

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/wwjtd/2012 ... isability/

If that's the case then I bet this was no accident.

rocko2466 wrote:
Who's the old guy in all of Submariner's videos?

You need to check your collagen privilege.

aqi wrote:.........................................Anyone noticed that Watson hasn't said anything in support of Harriet Hall and Surly Amy talking?

I wise move by Harriet Hall, if at least a part of her reason for making up with Amy was to make Watson look even worse.

It must irk the shit out of the glob that there's fuck all she can now say about the matter without making herself look like an utter turd in the eyes of her cohorts - unless she apologises to Dr Hall for that post she put up on SBM. But it'll be a cold day at Justin Vacula's place before that happens.

BTW - seems we have a contingent of South Americans here. Shall we make the pit a more welcoming place for them by talking about the Colombian drugs trade and neo-imperialist US incursions?

John Greg wrote:John Brown said:

[Setar] literally does not have to do anything to survive save eating and drinking. Everything else is provided for him. He could easily get "free" housing, transportation, medical care, entertainment, Internet, etc... all because of his various "disabilities."

Balls. You have some proof of that? You have Setar's medical file? You have direct first-hand information into his legal social status?

Fuck me, what do you think Canada is? Shangrila? We have a massive homeless probem, especially here in Wetsern Canada. Such fantasy la la land you envision most certainly does not exist anywhere in this country, and most especially not in Western Canada.

From what I've read in regard to Setar's supposed medical/psychological difficulties/problems, he would at best, at the very best, be able to get a slightly higher amount of welfare than most needy people, but even that elevated welfare still does not come anywhere close to making ends meet for even the most basic needs; he might also be eligible for some assistance for drugs. As for free transportation, internet*, entertainment*, and housing, not in this lifetime, pal.

*Unless you want to include some library services, but that precludes accessibility.

I haven't caught up with everything yet (work and all). But there's at least one indicator Setar is not as worse-off as you seem to think: Regular access to internet. And seeing the amount of contributions he has made this far, I am very doubtful he made them from a cyber café. So at least we can easily imagine he has enough ressources for a computer and an internet connection. Agree?

cunt wrote:

Gefan wrote:

cunt wrote:Poor Setar, life has been tough for him. Maybe he could re-train as a plumber and out-earn PZ.

When I read Setar I'm embarrassed to admit I probably thought similarly at around age thirteen. I don't know how old Setar is but he's clearly, chronologically, an adult. What's astonishing, and rather frightening is that people with that level of immaturity are running around loose with full adult rights and a pathological aversion to responsibility of any kind.
Roth throws a screaming tantrum at a T-Shirt and runs home crying. Hensley fakes a nervous breakdown because of internet push-back and retires (again) to bed while taking a momentary break from self-inflicted social media drama to download disability application forms. Setar demands more handouts because, well, I don't know. College was too hard?
How did we get this far as a species?

Well he complains about how unfair Canada is. I can't shake the idea that in most civilisations throughout history Setar would probably be rotting in a ditch by now.

Canada's one of the best countries as far as services for the disabled go, including a disability type of welfare (and which is for more money than ordinary welfare). All doctor visits are covered for all Canadians. Hospital stays and operations, too. And if you're on disability welfare (or regular welfare), all your prescriptions, dental work, and eye exams are free too.

I'm betting that the real story behind Setar, is that he's not *doctor-confirmed* sick with anything legit enough for permanent disability, but he wishes he was. Has probably convinced himself that he's horribly deprived of his rights, but unless a REAL doctor says he's permanently disabled, he's not going to get any disability benefits. And he's not going to get his "I'm so mentally sick..." victim cred.

Setar said: "Because I am in semi-poverty, I cannot afford the psychiatric or therapeutic help I need to function properly, except through my abusive family"
This is bullshit. Psychiatrist visits are fully covered, but you must go to a real one, not some self-declared "therapist" giving you new age woo like rebirthing or hypnosis. There may be a waiting list of a few months, but once you start seeing the (real!) doctor, you continue on a regular basis (no further waiting). There are medications for anxiety that work pretty well. Does Setar have anything against those? Does he have a belief that it's "big bad pharma" or something? Maybe a belief that psychiatrists only prescribe bad medicines? I'm guessing he does, and if so, he's a hypocrite, self medicating with weed but refusing to see a (real!) psychiatrist and getting the prescribed meds that are specifically designed for mental comforting in cases of anxiety.

DeepInsideYourMind wrote:Wow - the crazy is strong in Marcotte, Benson and followers ...

Jeremy Stangroom posts a very carefully structured and thought through argument as to why Nugent's "evidence" was flawed ... and their response is ... well babbling nonsense ...

http://www.michaelnugent.com/2013/02/26 ... ent-192238

Fucking idiots! To see Marcotte and Benson both stupidly defending Nugent's crappy methodology and unproven conclusions, just because the conclusions are what they WANT to hear, is appalling. Marcotte, Benson and Nugent are all faith-based believers. Nothing more than radfem bible thumpers. It's true because they want it to be. Evidence and proper methodology be damned.

Gumby wrote:

16bitheretic wrote: Oh, and Adam Lee, if you're reading the Pit, that was cute that you'd imply the Pit would suddenly mock and ridicule Dr. Hall just because she and Surly Amy have come to an agreement of civility. That would only likely happen if Dr. Hall started behaving like the women on your side like Amanda Marcotte and her readers, who accuse women of dissenting opinion to be gender traitors, tokens, novelty girls, uncle toms and question their gender.

There's been no condemnation of Hall here. Some disagreement, but hardly the 180 degree turnaround he's apparently portraying.

Adam Lee just did what all the good little FtB-sphere SJWs do - he made a nasty little insinuation, and then that insinuation wormed its way into the brains of his readers and somehow transmuted into cold hard "fact". Their tricks are very old and they don't bother learning new ones.

They're probably hoping to convince Dr. Hall that we are against her. And that's probably in hopes that she'll go further than the smoothing-things-over apology, and join them in becoming a victim-fem, something I highly doubt she'll do.

Jack wrote:

Guest wrote:

justinvacula wrote:Lol PZ Myers suggests I 'wallow in drama.' How about him?

he creates the drama of course

but YOU wallow in it

asshole

You should capitalise the first letters of a sentence or it makes you look silly. Anyway come join us, or are you scared of being auto banned in that hive of justice and freedom?

If you have a beef I'm sure we are more than happy to discuss it.

There's a certan A plusser who has a particular aversion to capitalising the first letter in his sentences. Just as he has a particular aversion to being a useful member of society.

Jan Steen wrote:http://i.imgur.com/bqYOZfI.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/UZ9EQJi.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/KCLyUMF.jpg

h/t Ben Radford

Hahahhahahahahahahahhaahhahahahahahahahahahahahh!

I needed that! :lol:

I'll refrain however, from showing people where PZ has his personal home addy and phone listed publicly on the internet, and how much his house was sold for in May 2003. It's location shows why he was so pissed off at the church music playing in the graveyard a couple years ago. He lives very close to it. I'd have been pissed off too. I'll refrain from details though, because well, doxxing, and what if someone actually ordered a truckload of straw delivered to him? I don't want to be blamed for that! It sure would be funny though.

Scented Nectar wrote:

cunt wrote:

Gefan wrote:

cunt wrote:Poor Setar, life has been tough for him. Maybe he could re-train as a plumber and out-earn PZ.

When I read Setar I'm embarrassed to admit I probably thought similarly at around age thirteen. I don't know how old Setar is but he's clearly, chronologically, an adult. What's astonishing, and rather frightening is that people with that level of immaturity are running around loose with full adult rights and a pathological aversion to responsibility of any kind.
Roth throws a screaming tantrum at a T-Shirt and runs home crying. Hensley fakes a nervous breakdown because of internet push-back and retires (again) to bed while taking a momentary break from self-inflicted social media drama to download disability application forms. Setar demands more handouts because, well, I don't know. College was too hard?
How did we get this far as a species?

Well he complains about how unfair Canada is. I can't shake the idea that in most civilisations throughout history Setar would probably be rotting in a ditch by now.

Canada's one of the best countries as far as services for the disabled go, including a disability type of welfare (and which is for more money than ordinary welfare). All doctor visits are covered for all Canadians. Hospital stays and operations, too. And if you're on disability welfare (or regular welfare), all your prescriptions, dental work, and eye exams are free too.

I'm betting that the real story behind Setar, is that he's not *doctor-confirmed* sick with anything legit enough for permanent disability, but he wishes he was. Has probably convinced himself that he's horribly deprived of his rights, but unless a REAL doctor says he's permanently disabled, he's not going to get any disability benefits. And he's not going to get his "I'm so mentally sick..." victim cred.

Setar said: "Because I am in semi-poverty, I cannot afford the psychiatric or therapeutic help I need to function properly, except through my abusive family"
This is bullshit. Psychiatrist visits are fully covered, but you must go to a real one, not some self-declared "therapist" giving you new age woo like rebirthing or hypnosis. There may be a waiting list of a few months, but once you start seeing the (real!) doctor, you continue on a regular basis (no further waiting). There are medications for anxiety that work pretty well. Does Setar have anything against those? Does he have a belief that it's "big bad pharma" or something? Maybe a belief that psychiatrists only prescribe bad medicines? I'm guessing he does, and if so, he's a hypocrite, self medicating with weed but refusing to see a (real!) psychiatrist and getting the prescribed meds that are specifically designed for mental comforting in cases of anxiety.

I call bullshit on the comment above that I've made bold. Even in the social services wasteland that is my country, there are organizations that will give psychiatric help and prorate the costs so you can afford it. Either Setar has put no effort into finding one of these places or he simply wants everything for free.

AndrewV69 wrote:

welch wrote: Something that causes actual harm to anyone. Fuck, I'd take video of her kicking some guy in the nuts. THAT would be far more than you've come up with.

So is that your definition of "real harm"?

welch wrote: Is the MRA movement really based on fear?

You are the one insisting that it is.

welch wrote: Because I thought that at the root, it was about correcting a few key issues that are causing real problems, i.e. "harm", like the inequalities in family court issues, the tendency to convict men based on accusation for certain crimes, and the refusal of the justice system to take crimes committed by women as seriously as the same crimes committed by men.

So those "few key issues" just came out of thin air? There was nothing backing the policies that resulted in the "few key issues"?

Lawmakers, courts, the police, social services et all suddenly started creating these "few key issues" just because?

welch wrote: Those are real problems that cause real harm. Instead, all I see from you are endless streams of FUD about Catherine Mckinnon and OMG FEMINISTS.

Are you going to define what "real harm" is or not?

welch wrote: I now see why the MRM movement has so many issues.

I am starting to see that you may have more that a few issues. One of them being hand waving. Another being you behaving like one of those "New Media Douchbags" you keep going on about. You also appear to subscribe to "fuzzy logic".

Are you going to clearly define what "real harm" means to you or not?

Even just reading the wiki article on her, it's noted that she influenced some really sexphobic anti-porn laws here in Canada some years ago. I'm not sure if they've been released yet.

Also, I'm pretty sure (but not positive) that she was one of the radfems who convinced the US gov't to force NGOs to take the "pledge" that they won't support/help/give-free-condoms-to sex workers. If they don't take the pledge, they don't get funded. I think the pledge was finally, recently removed, but it caused a lot of damage. One can only estimate the number of deaths from AIDS.

The pledge:
[youtube]t1gXFD4CAT4[/youtube]

Some interesting background on Mackinnon and her father:
[youtube]3nYTaHOymos[/youtube]

Submariner wrote:

rocko2466 wrote:

Submariner wrote:Not my best work but meh, you misogynist cunts don't deserve better:

Who's the old guy in all of Submariner's videos?

Old!??

Damn young whippersnappers! They'll change their tune about older people when they reach a half century like I did in November. :lol:

Apples wrote:You may have heard that former FTB co-blogger (with JT) Christina Stephens dropped her car on her foot recently while fixing her brakes. She has now had it amputated, though before doing so she put up some vids (for those with a necrotic sense of curiosity):

http://www.youtube.com/user/AmputeeOT?feature=watch

She's the one who on purpose cut off a toe and a half last year. I'd bet anything that this was intentional too. She has also admitted that she does painful things just so that she will feel something because she usually can't. Or something like that. I think she must have whatever that mental illness is where people have an urge to be amputees.

katamari Damassi wrote:

Apples wrote:You may have heard that former FTB co-blogger (with JT) Christina Stephens dropped her car on her foot recently while fixing her brakes. She has now had it amputated, though before doing so she put up some vids (for those with a necrotic sense of curiosity):

http://www.youtube.com/user/AmputeeOT?feature=watch

Didn't JT have a girlfriend who once amputated one of her own toes just for shits and giggles? It's not the same friend is it?

Same one. I'd put money on a bet that this was intentional too. I remember her commenting in a way that made me think she couldn't outright admit it was on purpose because she'd get in trouble somewhere (disability money? fired for self injury on purpose? something like that).

Apples wrote:I'll just recycle this image in honor of Jason Tibbidolt's current tut-tutty post on splash damage and that cocksucker Linus Torvalds.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/lousycanuck ... sh-damage/
http://new.freezepage.com/1361969592LQAZJJWEEO

http://i.imgur.com/XGMkAWJ.jpg

They sure know their audience at FtB, don't they? Take a news story and pore over it, looking for what they consider to be sexist or homophobic language, then give it over to their commenters so they can go nuts and generate more page hits. PROFIT!!!

For fuck's sake, for people so afraid of locker room language, they're as obsessed with it as eighth graders.

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd24 ... 469577.jpg

katamari Damassi wrote:

Scented Nectar wrote:

cunt wrote:

Gefan wrote:

cunt wrote:Poor Setar, life has been tough for him. Maybe he could re-train as a plumber and out-earn PZ.

When I read Setar I'm embarrassed to admit I probably thought similarly at around age thirteen. I don't know how old Setar is but he's clearly, chronologically, an adult. What's astonishing, and rather frightening is that people with that level of immaturity are running around loose with full adult rights and a pathological aversion to responsibility of any kind.
Roth throws a screaming tantrum at a T-Shirt and runs home crying. Hensley fakes a nervous breakdown because of internet push-back and retires (again) to bed while taking a momentary break from self-inflicted social media drama to download disability application forms. Setar demands more handouts because, well, I don't know. College was too hard?
How did we get this far as a species?

Well he complains about how unfair Canada is. I can't shake the idea that in most civilisations throughout history Setar would probably be rotting in a ditch by now.

Canada's one of the best countries as far as services for the disabled go, including a disability type of welfare (and which is for more money than ordinary welfare). All doctor visits are covered for all Canadians. Hospital stays and operations, too. And if you're on disability welfare (or regular welfare), all your prescriptions, dental work, and eye exams are free too.

I'm betting that the real story behind Setar, is that he's not *doctor-confirmed* sick with anything legit enough for permanent disability, but he wishes he was. Has probably convinced himself that he's horribly deprived of his rights, but unless a REAL doctor says he's permanently disabled, he's not going to get any disability benefits. And he's not going to get his "I'm so mentally sick..." victim cred.

Setar said: "Because I am in semi-poverty, I cannot afford the psychiatric or therapeutic help I need to function properly, except through my abusive family"
This is bullshit. Psychiatrist visits are fully covered, but you must go to a real one, not some self-declared "therapist" giving you new age woo like rebirthing or hypnosis. There may be a waiting list of a few months, but once you start seeing the (real!) doctor, you continue on a regular basis (no further waiting). There are medications for anxiety that work pretty well. Does Setar have anything against those? Does he have a belief that it's "big bad pharma" or something? Maybe a belief that psychiatrists only prescribe bad medicines? I'm guessing he does, and if so, he's a hypocrite, self medicating with weed but refusing to see a (real!) psychiatrist and getting the prescribed meds that are specifically designed for mental comforting in cases of anxiety.

I call bullshit on the comment above that I've made bold. Even in the social services wasteland that is my country, there are organizations that will give psychiatric help and prorate the costs so you can afford it. Either Setar has put no effort into finding one of these places or he simply wants everything for free.

He's probably seen real doctors who told him there's nothing much wrong with him, or who maybe suggested that he change something about himself like his poor-me, wannabe-victim wallowing. If he can't afford a 'doctor' here in Canada, then the 'doctor' is probably just a self-declared 'therapist' quack and not covered as real medical treatment would be. Anyone can claim to be a therapist. Just like anyone can claim to be a magical reiki healer, tarot reader or iridologist (magical health predictions based on the lines of your eye's irises).

The fact that Setar claims he can't afford a doctor for his mental problems here in Canada, tells me that he's not going to a real psychiatrist. He'd do well to join the scientologists with their hatred/fear of psychiatry.

Scented Nectar wrote:

Gumby wrote:

16bitheretic wrote: Oh, and Adam Lee, if you're reading the Pit, that was cute that you'd imply the Pit would suddenly mock and ridicule Dr. Hall just because she and Surly Amy have come to an agreement of civility. That would only likely happen if Dr. Hall started behaving like the women on your side like Amanda Marcotte and her readers, who accuse women of dissenting opinion to be gender traitors, tokens, novelty girls, uncle toms and question their gender.

There's been no condemnation of Hall here. Some disagreement, but hardly the 180 degree turnaround he's apparently portraying.

Adam Lee just did what all the good little FtB-sphere SJWs do - he made a nasty little insinuation, and then that insinuation wormed its way into the brains of his readers and somehow transmuted into cold hard "fact". Their tricks are very old and they don't bother learning new ones.

They're probably hoping to convince Dr. Hall that we are against her. And that's probably in hopes that she'll go further than the smoothing-things-over apology, and join them in becoming a victim-fem, something I highly doubt she'll do.

If they think Hall is that dumb, they gotta 'nother thing comin'.

Where did PZ get the impression that straight-up denial of well-documented reality is an effective debating technique? He's hanging out with EllenBeth Wacks too much:

http://i.imgur.com/mhjh54B.jpg

Peezus wrote:For real fun, look at his complaints about blogs in general.

Sam Harris wrote:It is difficult to overlook the role that blog comments play in all this. Having a blog and building a large community of readers can destroy a person’s intellectual integrity—as appears to have happened in the case of PZ Myers. Many people who read his blog come away convinced that I am a racist who advocates the widespread use of torture and a nuclear first strike against the entire Muslim world. The most despicable claims about me appear in the comment thread, of course, but Myers is responsible for publishing them. And so I hold him responsible for circulating and amplifying some of the worst distortions of my views found on the Internet.

Hmmm. I think Harris’s reputation as an illiberal advocate for atrocious policies long preceded any of my criticisms of his positions, and I suspect that the commenters here could make a far better indictment of Harris than he can a defense.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... am-harris/
http://www.freezepage.com/1361975247HFTZWMOTNV

Setar seems to have a rich family which he hates. He wants to live like common people. He wants to do whatever common people do.

But still you'll never get it right,
cos when you're laid in bed at night,
watching roaches climb the wall,
if you call your Dad he could stop it all.

Scented Nectar wrote:

cunt wrote:

Gefan wrote:

cunt wrote:Poor Setar, life has been tough for him. Maybe he could re-train as a plumber and out-earn PZ.

When I read Setar I'm embarrassed to admit I probably thought similarly at around age thirteen. I don't know how old Setar is but he's clearly, chronologically, an adult. What's astonishing, and rather frightening is that people with that level of immaturity are running around loose with full adult rights and a pathological aversion to responsibility of any kind.
Roth throws a screaming tantrum at a T-Shirt and runs home crying. Hensley fakes a nervous breakdown because of internet push-back and retires (again) to bed while taking a momentary break from self-inflicted social media drama to download disability application forms. Setar demands more handouts because, well, I don't know. College was too hard?
How did we get this far as a species?

Well he complains about how unfair Canada is. I can't shake the idea that in most civilisations throughout history Setar would probably be rotting in a ditch by now.

Canada's one of the best countries as far as services for the disabled go, including a disability type of welfare (and which is for more money than ordinary welfare). All doctor visits are covered for all Canadians. Hospital stays and operations, too. And if you're on disability welfare (or regular welfare), all your prescriptions, dental work, and eye exams are free too.

I'm betting that the real story behind Setar, is that he's not *doctor-confirmed* sick with anything legit enough for permanent disability, but he wishes he was. Has probably convinced himself that he's horribly deprived of his rights, but unless a REAL doctor says he's permanently disabled, he's not going to get any disability benefits. And he's not going to get his "I'm so mentally sick..." victim cred.

Setar said: "Because I am in semi-poverty, I cannot afford the psychiatric or therapeutic help I need to function properly, except through my abusive family"
This is bullshit. Psychiatrist visits are fully covered, but you must go to a real one, not some self-declared "therapist" giving you new age woo like rebirthing or hypnosis. There may be a waiting list of a few months, but once you start seeing the (real!) doctor, you continue on a regular basis (no further waiting). There are medications for anxiety that work pretty well. Does Setar have anything against those? Does he have a belief that it's "big bad pharma" or something? Maybe a belief that psychiatrists only prescribe bad medicines? I'm guessing he does, and if so, he's a hypocrite, self medicating with weed but refusing to see a (real!) psychiatrist and getting the prescribed meds that are specifically designed for mental comforting in cases of anxiety.

It should also be noted that he can afford Skyrim, a computer that can run Skyrim, pot, doritos, clothing without holes that fits, corrective lenses, shoes, hair care products, and boxcutters.

rocko2466 wrote:Setar seems to have a rich family which he hates. He wants to live like common people. He wants to do whatever common people do.

But still you'll never get it right,
cos when you're laid in bed at night,
watching roaches climb the wall,
if you call your Dad he could stop it all.

:clap:
Have you ever heard the William Shatner/Ben Folds versions? I love it.

Scented Nectar wrote:

Apples wrote:You may have heard that former FTB co-blogger (with JT) Christina Stephens dropped her car on her foot recently while fixing her brakes. She has now had it amputated, though before doing so she put up some vids (for those with a necrotic sense of curiosity):

http://www.youtube.com/user/AmputeeOT?feature=watch

She's the one who on purpose cut off a toe and a half last year. I'd bet anything that this was intentional too. She has also admitted that she does painful things just so that she will feel something because she usually can't. Or something like that. I think she must have whatever that mental illness is where people have an urge to be amputees.

What the fuck.

A lot of the videos she has tweeted are about amputees. https://twitter.com/Ziztur

Is she the swing girl from ages ago on the Pit?

Also, if she is the person who cut a toe off, and the swing girl, and now the foot girl, is anyone going to get her psychiatric help? Or does everyone now just say "Shut up neurotypical! We don't need help; we need encouragement!"

rocko2466 wrote:

Scented Nectar wrote:

Apples wrote:You may have heard that former FTB co-blogger (with JT) Christina Stephens dropped her car on her foot recently while fixing her brakes. She has now had it amputated, though before doing so she put up some vids (for those with a necrotic sense of curiosity):

http://www.youtube.com/user/AmputeeOT?feature=watch

She's the one who on purpose cut off a toe and a half last year. I'd bet anything that this was intentional too. She has also admitted that she does painful things just so that she will feel something because she usually can't. Or something like that. I think she must have whatever that mental illness is where people have an urge to be amputees.

What the fuck.

A lot of the videos she has tweeted are about amputees. https://twitter.com/Ziztur

Is she the swing girl from ages ago on the Pit?

Also, if she is the person who cut a toe off, and the swing girl, and now the foot girl, is anyone going to get her psychiatric help? Or does everyone now just say "Shut up neurotypical! We don't need help; we need encouragement!"

Hmm... is it cheaper to pay for her psychiatric help or for her prosthetics?