Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

[Cunning Punt]

Is she really anti-sex?
It's hard to tell if she's being serious about that aspect of her Twisty character or if that is just an attempted humorous take on a radfem stereoptype. Besides, nobody really considers themselves 'anti-sex', at least nobody who has a major following online. It is usually better to describe the divide as pro-porn/anti-porn, rather than pro/anti sex.

She has said things such to the effect that 'The Patriarchy' means woman can't give properly autonomous consent. Whether this should be taken seriously is a matter of interpretation. However, the textual evidence certainly points to her holding a position at least similar to the one she outlines below.

in a patriarchy, “consensual sex” (between women and dudes) doesn’t even exist. This is because, in a patriarchy, agency is not conferred equally upon women and dudes. This untoward circumstance creates a contingency wherein the notion of consent is, for women, entirely non-substantive, a figment, a desperate fantasy invented to obscure the true nature of women’s status as the sex class

http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/201 ... arted-fun/

In other words, PZ should stop raping his wife.

Jeez, my ex wife would get the shits if I didn't fuck her regularly. What universe does this woman live in? (Okay, I know, one data point.)

[Metalogic42]

Is she really anti-sex?
It's hard to tell if she's being serious about that aspect of her Twisty character or if that is just an attempted humorous take on a radfem stereoptype. Besides, nobody really considers themselves 'anti-sex', at least nobody who has a major following online. It is usually better to describe the divide as pro-porn/anti-porn, rather than pro/anti sex.

She has said things such to the effect that 'The Patriarchy' means woman can't give properly autonomous consent. Whether this should be taken seriously is a matter of interpretation. However, the textual evidence certainly points to her holding a position at least similar to the one she outlines below.

in a patriarchy, “consensual sex” (between women and dudes) doesn’t even exist. This is because, in a patriarchy, agency is not conferred equally upon women and dudes. This untoward circumstance creates a contingency wherein the notion of consent is, for women, entirely non-substantive, a figment, a desperate fantasy invented to obscure the true nature of women’s status as the sex class

http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/201 ... arted-fun/

That article, and the comments, include some of the dumbest fucking statements I've ever seen. And I've watched Kent Hovind videos. I had planned to pluck out a few choice quotes to comment on, but there's just too many; this post would be hundreds of pages long. It's like none of these people have ever left the house and talked to people in society, much less actually ever had any sex.

[nippletwister]

And nannyish Home Seketerrys wot refuses well known activists entry to the UK on the basis of what they might say. Try burning a Koran in the UK. A visit from the police is guaranteed.

Try burning a US flag in the US. A visit from your neighbors, their relatives, the local newspaper, FOX news, random "Lone Wolf" types from Arizona with too many guns and too few brain cells, and the police is guaranteed.

OK, you'd probably be lynched. But will it be an officially sanctioned lynching? Will the cops really be involved?

Yes and yes, depending upon where you did it and who you were.

Ye gods you are full of shit.

He's not just merely full of shit, he's really most sincerely full of shit.



Seriously, what the fuck? I've been through about 2/3 of the US and almost all of the western half extensively, and I can imagine maybe pissing someone off if you happen to live next door to some drunk-ass psycho pseudo-patriot who cries when the national anthem plays, but that's about it. Hell, a couple of years ago I trolled a Glenn Beck "Renew America" protest with about 60-70 people waving signs and yelling, yelling at them that they were a bunch of spoiled shits trying to feel important because they were too lazy to actually do anything- they didn't much like it, but it was all good fun, just like when I smiled and flipped off the anti-abortion protesters(on more than a couple occasions).

Our "loonies" are generally pretty weak sauce face-to-face, and depend on free speech as much as the sane folks. Not a lot of lynchings these days, and we were never too big on stoning or beheading. You may, once in a great while, come across the occasional small town tyrant cop or judge who thinks he can interpret the constitution on his own terms, but it's pretty rare and generally goes away if you make a fuss. Nobody gets "disappeared" over free speech.

Quit believing the hype, it's a pretty nice place overall.

[Submariner]

http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/201 ... arted-fun/

That article, and the comments, include some of the dumbest fucking statements I've ever seen. And I've watched Kent Hovind videos. I had planned to pluck out a few choice quotes to comment on, but there's just too many; this post would be hundreds of pages long. It's like none of these people have ever left the house and talked to people in society, much less actually ever had any sex.

The issue of consent — or, more precisely, the idea that women are considered by both custom and law to abide in a persistent state of always having given consent — is the absolute crux, nub, hub, axis, polestar, and epicenter of women’s oppression.

Can anyone explain the above quote to me, please? I understand all the individual words but not the way she ties them together. Where is this place that women are by law in a persistent state of consent? Saudi Arabia?

[Pitchguest]

On flag burning, I don't quite get why burning a US flag in the US is considered such an offense. It clearly says in the Constitution that the proper way to "put a flag to rest" is to burn it, hence when someone is burning an American flag -- which they've presumably bought -- then they are getting rid of it the right way according to tradition. Moreover, they are not burning YOUR flag, or the flag of the United States, they are burning an IMAGE of the flag of the United States and they are burning THEIR OWN flag.

I think David Mitchell said it best:

[youtube]W-IrzJqfTQA[/youtube]

[Remick]

On flag burning, I don't quite get why burning a US flag in the US is considered such an offense. It clearly says in the Constitution that the proper way to "put a flag to rest" is to burn it, hence when someone is burning an American flag -- which they've presumably bought -- then they are getting rid of it the right way according to tradition. Moreover, they are not burning YOUR flag, or the flag of the United States, they are burning an IMAGE of the flag of the United States and they are burning THEIR OWN flag.

I think David Mitchell said it best:

[youtube]W-IrzJqfTQA[/youtube]

A lot of Americans can't handle the thought of not being #1 in everything, or being wrong.

Like when some Northeast liberal "elite"(tm) points out where we are as a nation in relation to the rest of the world in things like infant mortality, literacy rates, access to heath care, a common refrain is that they "hate america".

Fox news loves to claim that Obama has "apologized for America", when he in fact, apologized for what some Americans did(which were illegal for them to do, why the fuck would we not apologize for abu graib or other such things).

[Jan Steen]

http://i.imgur.com/SoQKtRW.jpg

[Bourne Skeptic]

http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/201 ... arted-fun/

That article, and the comments, include some of the dumbest fucking statements I've ever seen. And I've watched Kent Hovind videos. I had planned to pluck out a few choice quotes to comment on, but there's just too many; this post would be hundreds of pages long. It's like none of these people have ever left the house and talked to people in society, much less actually ever had any sex.

The issue of consent — or, more precisely, the idea that women are considered by both custom and law to abide in a persistent state of always having given consent — is the absolute crux, nub, hub, axis, polestar, and epicenter of women’s oppression.

Can anyone explain the above quote to me, please? I understand all the individual words but not the way she ties them together. Where is this place that women are by law in a persistent state of consent? Saudi Arabia?

PIV=rape!
It never ceases to amaze me how people are able to contort their pseudo-logic into the shape of a semi-coherent pile of bullshit.

[nippletwister]

Sexual Harassment spotted on Yahoo today - in Dear Abby, of all places. I wonder what the SJW's would say about this.
http://news.yahoo.com/aggressive-girls- ... 46433.html
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They would probably say the girls were raped.

I've gotten fat and I'm only 5'8, but when I was a bit younger, this shit was pretty constant. It pretty much taught me that women are no better than men in this regard, but that they simply have a more narrow subset of men they do this to. I guess what we can take from this is that men are uglier than women.

Call me a sexist if you like, but in my experience, the real take away is that women actually feel and act more entitled on average, especially in any kind of social situation or regarding sex. This is a point that some MRA's make that I agree with based on personal experience. As a man who was once barely medium-attractive, I've been groped more times than I have ever witnessed happening to women. I've asked around, and even my female friends who were openly flirtatious and who went clubbing in their youth haven't been groped as much as me, and certainly not at work.

Although I don't think people should be groped at random as a daily norm or anything, I still think that making it out as some kind of high offense against a person's bodily integrity is bullshit. Being heavily flirted with and touched suggestively at 16 would have made me a bit uncomfortable perhaps (depends on the situation, really) but I would never, ever think to call it any kind of assault.

Here's an idea- let's all pretend that our bodily autonomy is so precious, absolute, and so easily destroyed, that a single simple flirty touch must be dealt with as a dire threat, and shamed and punished accordingly with no leeway or warnings. An event worthy of tears and terror. If what you want is to raise a generation of emotionally stunted, socially crippled, pathetic sad little introverts who will likely never much enjoy sex, reproduce, or even have a healthy low-stress relationship, only sending them into the clergy of a sex-hating religion could do a better job.

[AbsurdWalls]

PhD viva passed. No corrections.

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Feeling pretty good right now.

[Lsuoma]

Fucking AAAAAA+++++

Feels good, doesn't it! Level: over 9000.

[AbsurdWalls]

Fucking AAAAAA+++++

Feels good, doesn't it! Level: over 9000.

Yeah, I was very surprised. I think it might be a gear change for my disposition. Either that or I'm just drunk.

[Pitchguest]

PhD viva passed. No corrections.

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Feeling pretty good right now.

Fuckin' A, congrats! :clap:

But now if you'll excuse me, I have to watch that scene again.

[rayshul]

I can't remember if I mentioned here before that someone on my facebook wrote a long post explaining why discriminating against men can't be sexist because sexism is oppression + being fucking stupid and not understanding words or something like that. I want to crush this ridiculous stupidity but how the fuck do you do that? It's popping up everywhere.

[welch]

WTF? FTB seems to have put up DDOS protection from Cloud Flare.

Welch, have you been trying to post there again? :lol:

snerk. They wish.

[Zenspace]

And where is APPLES? I miss them.

Still here :) ... work is cutting into my Pit-time, but I've been lurking.

Thanks for checking in! :dance:

PZ is a dick.

Stay on target! :clap:

[welch]

Oh bless. Welsh thinks I'm a "libertarian". In the same way Setar thinks anyone not a maoist is a "libertarian".

No, I think you're a randolyte and, a shining idiot. perhaps the brightest shining idiot I've ever seen. People from around the world show you to their children and say "Child...that is and idiot. See what they are doing, and never ever do that, lest you be an idiot too."

Randolytes are *sometimes* libertarians, but not always. however, as you are an idiot, I'm unsurprised you would confuse the two.

[Spence]

In other news, NASA bring the patriarchy to Mars:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/04/24 ... enis_mars/

I bet Phil Plait had a hand in it!

[welch]

PhD viva passed. No corrections.

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg10 ... 6cfc56.gif

Feeling pretty good right now.

w00t!

[Zenspace]

And nannyish Home Seketerrys wot refuses well known activists entry to the UK on the basis of what they might say. Try burning a Koran in the UK. A visit from the police is guaranteed.

Try burning a US flag in the US. A visit from your neighbors, their relatives, the local newspaper, FOX news, random "Lone Wolf" types from Arizona with too many guns and too few brain cells, and the police is guaranteed.

Just choose your timing wisely: burn the flag on April 15th and you will be publicly applauded and granted instant hero status. :lol:

[Zenspace]

Another reflection of the bind he's in: His post from April 20 on "#radfem2013" has 115 comments. His post from April 20 on Coelacanth evolution (genome sequencing, phylogeny, fossils) has 12 comments (several of which are about how cute the drawings on the phylogenetic tree are).

That’s not just PZ, that's almost everyone in A/S/H. This forum was originally born, as you know, from extraordinarily lengthy comment threads about the (mis)application of feminism on ERV's generally uncontroversial science blog. Her threads on anti-science woo don't generate as much debate, because most of her readers are pro-science.

On my own minor blog any post about feminism reliably pulls a 5-10x comment boost over similarly detailed posts about anything else other than maybe gun control. I'm guessing that people must really love an ongoing controversy, unless it's couched in a structured dialogue. :mrgreen:

I see what you did there. :naughty:

[clownshoe]

Another reflection of the bind he's in: His post from April 20 on "#radfem2013" has 115 comments. His post from April 20 on Coelacanth evolution (genome sequencing, phylogeny, fossils) has 12 comments (several of which are about how cute the drawings on the phylogenetic tree are).

That’s not just PZ, that's almost everyone in A/S/H. This forum was originally born, as you know, from extraordinarily lengthy comment threads about the (mis)application of feminism on ERV's generally uncontroversial science blog. Her threads on anti-science woo don't generate as much debate, because most of her readers are pro-science.

On my own minor blog any post about feminism reliably pulls a 5-10x comment boost over similarly detailed posts about anything else other than maybe gun control. I'm guessing that people must really love an ongoing controversy, unless it's couched in a structured dialogue. :mrgreen:

I see what you did there. :naughty:

Indeed :naughty: and I think I'll take d4m10n to task for that on the next episode of my minor podcast

[Cunning Punt]

Don't oppress me with your "Season 3" privilege! I am only now watching Season 1. Any spoilers and I will fuck you up (make a YouTube video or something.) It's pretty awesome entertainment I must say.

[sacha]

Don't oppress me with your "Season 3" privilege! I am only now watching Season 1. Any spoilers and I will fuck you up (make a YouTube video or something.) It's pretty awesome entertainment I must say.

yeah! any spoilers and Cunning Punt will fuck you up!

I'm also on season one

[Tony Parsehole]

PhD viva passed. No corrections.


Feeling pretty good right now.

Congratz!

[Tony Parsehole]

I can't remember if I mentioned here before that someone on my facebook wrote a long post explaining why discriminating against men can't be sexist because sexism is oppression + being fucking stupid and not understanding words or something like that. I want to crush this ridiculous stupidity but how the fuck do you do that? It's popping up everywhere.

Just keep on truckin'.....Whatever the hell that means.

[Tony Parsehole]

Any spoilers and I will fuck you up

Nobody tell Punt about the bit with the flying carpet and the basket of singing mangoes.

[Tony Parsehole]

Don't oppress me with your "Season 3" privilege! I am only now watching Season 1. Any spoilers and I will fuck you up (make a YouTube video or something.) It's pretty awesome entertainment I must say.

yeah! any spoilers and Cunning Punt will fuck you up!

I'm also on season one

Pfffff.....Season one?
I shit season 1.

Season 3 is only for hardXXXcore 2damaX playa's like me.

[John Greg]

Franc used to insist that Twisty Faster and IBlameThePatriarchy are full time POE.

Over the last couple of days, I've read some of that idiocy Twisty Faster posts, and I can only come to one conclusion ... well, two, sort of: either it is a POE, or Twisty Faster is yet another RadFem who is butt naked deeply demented and not living in the same corporeal universe that the rest of humanity lives in.

And, if PeeZus really thinks sh/i/t is for real and supports it, well, what can I say. That means PeeZus is not only dishonest and stupid, he is also butt naked deeply demented and not living in the same corporeal universe that the rest of humanity lives in.

[ConcentratedH2O, OM]

OK, you'd probably be lynched. But will it be an officially sanctioned lynching? Will the cops really be involved?

Yes and yes, depending upon where you did it and who you were.

Ye gods you are full of shit.

He's not just merely full of shit, he's really most sincerely full of shit.



Seriously, what the fuck? I've been through about 2/3 of the US and almost all of the western half extensively, and I can imagine maybe pissing someone off if you happen to live next door to some drunk-ass psycho pseudo-patriot who cries when the national anthem plays, but that's about it. Hell, a couple of years ago I trolled a Glenn Beck "Renew America" protest with about 60-70 people waving signs and yelling, yelling at them that they were a bunch of spoiled shits trying to feel important because they were too lazy to actually do anything- they didn't much like it, but it was all good fun, just like when I smiled and flipped off the anti-abortion protesters(on more than a couple occasions).

Our "loonies" are generally pretty weak sauce face-to-face, and depend on free speech as much as the sane folks. Not a lot of lynchings these days, and we were never too big on stoning or beheading. You may, once in a great while, come across the occasional small town tyrant cop or judge who thinks he can interpret the constitution on his own terms, but it's pretty rare and generally goes away if you make a fuss. Nobody gets "disappeared" over free speech.

Quit believing the hype, it's a pretty nice place overall.

Well I've read a Jack Reacher novel, and the poor guy can't sit down for a nice cup of coffee in America without some badarses getting all up in his grill and shit, trying to start a fight.

So I think we'll let others decide who's best qualified to speak on this matter.

[katamari Damassi]

Well I guess this was just a matter of time: http://blackgirldangerous.org/new-blog/ ... e-liberals

It's an African American feminist saying that she can't be bothered to feel sad about an eight year-old white boy being killed by the bombs at the Boston Marathon because of privilege. In her opinion not enough people cared enough about Trayvon Martin-never mind all of the hoodie demonstrations in support of justice for Martin, therefore why should she feel any empathy for white male children?

It reminds me of an incident when I was back in college. During the AIDS crisis there was a 12 year-old white boy hemophiliac named Ryan White, who was infected by HIV from contaminated blood products. He was kicked out of his school and treated like a pariah by his neighbors. His plight became a cause and he became an activist and spokesperson. He eventually died of the disease, and when that day came the student government of the college I was attending voted to send a message of sympathy and thanks to White's mother. Seems pretty noncontroversial doesn't it? Well the African Americans in the student government made a huge stink about it, calling the white members racist because they didn't send sympathy cards to the parents of all the black children who died of AIDS. When it was pointed out that Ryan was a well known AIDS victim who drew a lot of attention and sympathy to the cause, one of the protesters replied(and this is a direct quote)"Ryan White used his whiteness to become a celebrity."

[clownshoe]

Well I guess this was just a matter of time: http://blackgirldangerous.org/new-blog/ ... e-liberals

<snip for brevity>

She's trying to blame white liberals for "robbing me of part of my humanity".

So white liberals are turning her into a sociopath?
Stick with me on this: By that "logic", Carrier himself would be responsible for the very sociopathy that he falsely accuses Thunderfoot of. :lol:

;)

[nippletwister]

OK, you'd probably be lynched. But will it be an officially sanctioned lynching? Will the cops really be involved?

Yes and yes, depending upon where you did it and who you were.

Ye gods you are full of shit.

He's not just merely full of shit, he's really most sincerely full of shit.



Seriously, what the fuck? I've been through about 2/3 of the US and almost all of the western half extensively, and I can imagine maybe pissing someone off if you happen to live next door to some drunk-ass psycho pseudo-patriot who cries when the national anthem plays, but that's about it. Hell, a couple of years ago I trolled a Glenn Beck "Renew America" protest with about 60-70 people waving signs and yelling, yelling at them that they were a bunch of spoiled shits trying to feel important because they were too lazy to actually do anything- they didn't much like it, but it was all good fun, just like when I smiled and flipped off the anti-abortion protesters(on more than a couple occasions).

Our "loonies" are generally pretty weak sauce face-to-face, and depend on free speech as much as the sane folks. Not a lot of lynchings these days, and we were never too big on stoning or beheading. You may, once in a great while, come across the occasional small town tyrant cop or judge who thinks he can interpret the constitution on his own terms, but it's pretty rare and generally goes away if you make a fuss. Nobody gets "disappeared" over free speech.

Quit believing the hype, it's a pretty nice place overall.

Well I've read a Jack Reacher novel, and the poor guy can't sit down for a nice cup of coffee in America without some badarses getting all up in his grill and shit, trying to start a fight.

So I think we'll let others decide who's best qualified to speak on this matter.

So, just taking the piss then? Or was there a point?

[ConcentratedH2O, OM]

He's not just merely full of shit, he's really most sincerely full of shit.



Seriously, what the fuck? I've been through about 2/3 of the US and almost all of the western half extensively, and I can imagine maybe pissing someone off if you happen to live next door to some drunk-ass psycho pseudo-patriot who cries when the national anthem plays, but that's about it. Hell, a couple of years ago I trolled a Glenn Beck "Renew America" protest with about 60-70 people waving signs and yelling, yelling at them that they were a bunch of spoiled shits trying to feel important because they were too lazy to actually do anything- they didn't much like it, but it was all good fun, just like when I smiled and flipped off the anti-abortion protesters(on more than a couple occasions).

Our "loonies" are generally pretty weak sauce face-to-face, and depend on free speech as much as the sane folks. Not a lot of lynchings these days, and we were never too big on stoning or beheading. You may, once in a great while, come across the occasional small town tyrant cop or judge who thinks he can interpret the constitution on his own terms, but it's pretty rare and generally goes away if you make a fuss. Nobody gets "disappeared" over free speech.

Quit believing the hype, it's a pretty nice place overall.

Well I've read a Jack Reacher novel, and the poor guy can't sit down for a nice cup of coffee in America without some badarses getting all up in his grill and shit, trying to start a fight.

So I think we'll let others decide who's best qualified to speak on this matter.

So, just taking the piss then? Or was there a point?

There was a point, which I made. You disagreed with it, and I made a humorous retort to your disagreealization. Who's going to be the bigger person and let this drop?

[Cunning Punt]

Any spoilers and I will fuck you up

Nobody tell Punt about the bit with the flying carpet and the basket of singing mangoes.

Right. It's a crown of gold for you.

[sacha]

Any spoilers and I will fuck you up

Nobody tell Punt about the bit with the flying carpet and the basket of singing mangoes.

Right. It's a crown of gold for you.

When I enjoy a series, I usually fly through episodes - sometimes 4 a day, however I'm watching with a friend, and therefore I am on his schedule... I must say all the doggie style is a splendid bonus

[nippletwister]

He's not just merely full of shit, he's really most sincerely full of shit.



Seriously, what the fuck? I've been through about 2/3 of the US and almost all of the western half extensively, and I can imagine maybe pissing someone off if you happen to live next door to some drunk-ass psycho pseudo-patriot who cries when the national anthem plays, but that's about it. Hell, a couple of years ago I trolled a Glenn Beck "Renew America" protest with about 60-70 people waving signs and yelling, yelling at them that they were a bunch of spoiled shits trying to feel important because they were too lazy to actually do anything- they didn't much like it, but it was all good fun, just like when I smiled and flipped off the anti-abortion protesters(on more than a couple occasions).

Our "loonies" are generally pretty weak sauce face-to-face, and depend on free speech as much as the sane folks. Not a lot of lynchings these days, and we were never too big on stoning or beheading. You may, once in a great while, come across the occasional small town tyrant cop or judge who thinks he can interpret the constitution on his own terms, but it's pretty rare and generally goes away if you make a fuss. Nobody gets "disappeared" over free speech.

Quit believing the hype, it's a pretty nice place overall.

Well I've read a Jack Reacher novel, and the poor guy can't sit down for a nice cup of coffee in America without some badarses getting all up in his grill and shit, trying to start a fight.

So I think we'll let others decide who's best qualified to speak on this matter.

So, just taking the piss then? Or was there a point?

There was a point, which I made. You disagreed with it, and I made a humorous retort to your disagreealization. Who's going to be the bigger person and let this drop?

More than willing to let it drop, especially since I'm on my way out the door. But what I saw you make was an assertion, one which was at the very least, extremely overreaching and taking a conjecture, which might sort of match up to an occasional occurrence, as some kind of norm.

This isn't some "quit making fun of us 'Merkins" thing(especially as I have no idea where you're from), it's just that your assertion wasn't at all realistic as far as I can tell.

Peace! I don't mind others knocking around our shitheads for us, it certainly needs to be done.

[sacha]

PhD viva passed. No corrections.

Feeling pretty good right now.

well done

[franc]

Franc used to insist that Twisty Faster and IBlameThePatriarchy are full time POE.

Over the last couple of days, I've read some of that idiocy Twisty Faster posts, and I can only come to one conclusion ... well, two, sort of: either it is a POE, or Twisty Faster is yet another RadFem who is butt naked deeply demented and not living in the same corporeal universe that the rest of humanity lives in.

And, if PeeZus really thinks sh/i/t is for real and supports it, well, what can I say. That means PeeZus is not only dishonest and stupid, he is also butt naked deeply demented and not living in the same corporeal universe that the rest of humanity lives in.

Well, the very definition of POE is inability to tell. My very first impression of IBTP was that it was done by the same folks as Landover Baptist. But, the genuine loons (like Skeptifem) that link to IBTP... All I can say is the world is far stranger than any human brain can fully apprehend. I really don't know any more - whether real or POE, both assumptions are plausible.

[Karmakin]

Franc used to insist that Twisty Faster and IBlameThePatriarchy are full time POE.

Over the last couple of days, I've read some of that idiocy Twisty Faster posts, and I can only come to one conclusion ... well, two, sort of: either it is a POE, or Twisty Faster is yet another RadFem who is butt naked deeply demented and not living in the same corporeal universe that the rest of humanity lives in.

And, if PeeZus really thinks sh/i/t is for real and supports it, well, what can I say. That means PeeZus is not only dishonest and stupid, he is also butt naked deeply demented and not living in the same corporeal universe that the rest of humanity lives in.

Well, the very definition of POE is inability to tell. My very first impression of IBTP was that it was done by the same folks as Landover Baptist. But, the genuine loons (like Skeptifem) that link to IBTP... All I can say is the world is far stranger than any human brain can fully apprehend. I really don't know any more - whether real or POE, both assumptions are plausible.

I really don't think that Twisty is a POE (P.O.E...P.O.E...P.O.E...P.O.E is all I can think of...see below) as I remember when she first hit the scene, she was being pretty heavily promoted by Marcotte and McEwan (the big hitters in the field at the time, and this was before the Trigger-gate split between the two)..Marcotte at least at the time realized how crazy she was, but it was promoted as being real.

[youtube]fUs2_7SYAI8[/youtube]

[BarnOwl]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -nest.html

:)

Thanks for that!

A screech owl once landed on a high windowsill at my parents' house, during daylight. I think it was being mobbed by some other birds, and the windowsill was sheltered somewhat by a large pear tree. It seemed as if the owl was looking at us periodically through the window, sometimes with one eye open and one eye closed. You can hear a recording of the eerie sounds that screech owls make here (click on "Typical Voice"):

http://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/east ... ech-owl/id

[Percentage]

Yeah, Twisty is definitely real, although I do think she sometimes exaggerates for effect/the lulz/whatever. She also has a fixation on MRAs. And you know, I'm no fan of MRAs, but I've noticed that the feminists who seem unduly obsessed with that insignificant internet community are often the most self-righteous, obnoxious cunts out there. Marcotte comes to mind, too.

[Pitchguest]

Haha. Wow. So I just found out that the Swedish word for tea time or coffee break (fika) is slang in Italian for cunt.

All this time.

[Steersman]

http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/201 ... arted-fun/

That article, and the comments, include some of the dumbest fucking statements I've ever seen. And I've watched Kent Hovind videos. I had planned to pluck out a few choice quotes to comment on, but there's just too many; this post would be hundreds of pages long. It's like none of these people have ever left the house and talked to people in society, much less actually ever had any sex.

The issue of consent — or, more precisely, the idea that women are considered by both custom and law to abide in a persistent state of always having given consent — is the absolute crux, nub, hub, axis, polestar, and epicenter of women’s oppression.

Can anyone explain the above quote to me, please? I understand all the individual words but not the way she ties them together. Where is this place that women are by law in a persistent state of consent? Saudi Arabia?

Definitely some strange “logic” there. The nearest I can figure is that it is somewhat based on or similar to something some ancient philosopher said (never been able to find the exact source): “We want. But we don’t want that we should want.” But, apart from Twisty denying that women have “agency” – a supposed rallying cry of radfems all across the land, assuming that that perspective is the root of her argument then I would say she is deep into biological determinism – “biology is destiny” – and calling that “The Patriarchy”.

Really seems to me that there are a great many intrinsic flaws and contradictions in much of rad-fem dogma – sort of like the Trinity in many ways.

[Guest]

Barn Owl, here's a live owl cam of a screech owl... and her offfspring (not sure if the eggs have hatched yet... but the owl hoots all the time)

http://www.nature.org/ourinitiatives/re ... -annie.xml

[Steersman]

I can't remember if I mentioned here before that someone on my facebook wrote a long post explaining why discriminating against men can't be sexist because sexism is oppression + being fucking stupid and not understanding words or something like that. I want to crush this ridiculous stupidity but how the fuck do you do that? It's popping up everywhere.

I quite agree – rather too prevalent and problematic for comfort, and which justifes more than a little effort to combat it.

But as a further example of that from one of the prime sources of it, AtheismPlus, consider this blast from the past, something from their Glossary:

Misandry - hatred of or hostility towards men. Misandry is not reinforced systemically nor institutionally. (See also: Sexism)

Misogyny - hatred of or hostility towards women, often seen as contempt. Misogyny is reinforced systemically and institutionally. (See also: Sexism)

Sexism - discrimination or social prejudice against women. (Important - See also: -isms)

So, “discrimination or social prejudice against men” is simply not possible because, presumably, “misandry is not reinforced systematically or institutionally” whereas misogyny is. I think I “mispoke” – not glossary, but catechism …. Reminds me of Loyola, founder of the Jesuits, who said in his “Rules for thinking with the Church”:

That we may be altogether of the same mind and in conformity with the Church herself, if she shall have defined anything to be black which to our eyes appears to be white, we ought in like manner to pronounce it to be black.

And somewhat apropos, in digging through my archives, I found this quote from Setar:

"Civility" is the cry of the oppressor who doesn't like it when the oppressed display how oppression is affecting them. We will not make this place more civil, thank you very much.

One really wonders whether there are a bunch of teeth missing on the gears in the mechanisms that passes for the brains or minds of people like Setar, Twisty Faster, and “Lovely”, the author of that “glossary”.

[ConcentratedH2O, OM]

He's not just merely full of shit, he's really most sincerely full of shit.



Seriously, what the fuck? I've been through about 2/3 of the US and almost all of the western half extensively, and I can imagine maybe pissing someone off if you happen to live next door to some drunk-ass psycho pseudo-patriot who cries when the national anthem plays, but that's about it. Hell, a couple of years ago I trolled a Glenn Beck "Renew America" protest with about 60-70 people waving signs and yelling, yelling at them that they were a bunch of spoiled shits trying to feel important because they were too lazy to actually do anything- they didn't much like it, but it was all good fun, just like when I smiled and flipped off the anti-abortion protesters(on more than a couple occasions).

Our "loonies" are generally pretty weak sauce face-to-face, and depend on free speech as much as the sane folks. Not a lot of lynchings these days, and we were never too big on stoning or beheading. You may, once in a great while, come across the occasional small town tyrant cop or judge who thinks he can interpret the constitution on his own terms, but it's pretty rare and generally goes away if you make a fuss. Nobody gets "disappeared" over free speech.

Quit believing the hype, it's a pretty nice place overall.

Well I've read a Jack Reacher novel, and the poor guy can't sit down for a nice cup of coffee in America without some badarses getting all up in his grill and shit, trying to start a fight.

So I think we'll let others decide who's best qualified to speak on this matter.

So, just taking the piss then? Or was there a point?

There was a point, which I made. You disagreed with it, and I made a humorous retort to your disagreealization. Who's going to be the bigger person and let this drop?

More than willing to let it drop, especially since I'm on my way out the door. But what I saw you make was an assertion, one which was at the very least, extremely overreaching and taking a conjecture, which might sort of match up to an occasional occurrence, as some kind of norm.

This isn't some "quit making fun of us 'Merkins" thing(especially as I have no idea where you're from), it's just that your assertion wasn't at all realistic as far as I can tell.

Peace! I don't mind others knocking around our shitheads for us, it certainly needs to be done.

I've said it before: I'm just the Pit's version of Nerd of Redhead. I bark at shadows, loud, like I'm a vicious rottweiler. But really I'm a terrier that got beaten too hard around the head too hard while young, so I'm both dumb and obnoxious.

Sometimes the shadow will be a burglar, but mostly it's a drunken friend just trying to get their key in the door.

In summary: I'm a cunt, but if I bark at everything, then maybe one time out of twenty I'll get it right and be thrown a nice beef bone.

[Steersman]

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More than willing to let it drop, especially since I'm on my way out the door. But what I saw you make was an assertion, one which was at the very least, extremely overreaching and taking a conjecture, which might sort of match up to an occasional occurrence, as some kind of norm.

This isn't some "quit making fun of us 'Merkins" thing(especially as I have no idea where you're from), it's just that your assertion wasn't at all realistic as far as I can tell.

Peace! I don't mind others knocking around our shitheads for us, it certainly needs to be done.

I've said it before: I'm just the Pit's version of Nerd of Redhead. I bark at shadows, loud, like I'm a vicious rottweiler. But really I'm a terrier that got beaten too hard around the head too hard while young, so I'm both dumb and obnoxious.

Sometimes the shadow will be a burglar, but mostly it's a drunken friend just trying to get their key in the door.

In summary: I'm a cunt, but if I bark at everything, then maybe one time out of twenty I'll get it right and be thrown a nice beef bone.

Sort of like a form of compensation, you mean? ;-)

I expect we all have a few of those neurotic type responses, many of which might be due to various traumatic or semi-traumatic experiences of our childhood. I remember my dad giving me a bit of a hard time as a kid because I forgot to lock the car door after getting something out of it late one night. Why I think I have somewhat of an OCD compulsion to be checking that doors and windows are locked.

But many people have written accounts, some more amusing than others, of those types of childhood experiences – Erma Bombeck’s Family: The Ties That Bind – and Gag, and Augusten Burroughs’ Running With Scissors for examples. I expect most of our families were somewhat “dysfunctional” in one way or another, some more so than others.

[Hunt]

PZ's foray into vlogging. Not bad for starters, but not exactly at Tfoot level of production quality. Now if we can only get him to turn on comments.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... riment-ok/

[Gefan]

...PIV=rape!...

Right you are then. Anal it is.
Solved the problem.

You're welcome.

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

PhD viva passed. No corrections.


Feeling pretty good right now.

YEAH!!! Congrats'!

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

Haha. Wow. So I just found out that the Swedish word for tea time or coffee break (fika) is slang in Italian for cunt.

All this time.

Actually, the Italian slang is "figa". A very cute word for the female genital is 'farfaletta', which means 'little butterfly'. Italian girls actually love it.

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

Haha. Wow. So I just found out that the Swedish word for tea time or coffee break (fika) is slang in Italian for cunt.

All this time.

Actually, the Italian slang is "figa". A very cute word for the female genital is 'farfaletta', which means 'little butterfly'. Italian girls actually love it.

Ok, sorry, my bad. I just checked with an Italian friend. You were correct, "fica" means "cunt". Figa means "pussy".

I shall be ashamed of myself, now. :oops:

[Dick Strawkins]

PZ's foray into vlogging. Not bad for starters, but not exactly at Tfoot level of production quality. Now if we can only get him to turn on comments.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... riment-ok/

It is weird seeing PZ getting back to the activity that made him famous - mocking creationists.
That sort of skepticism is pretty much aiming for the low-hanging fruit and seems at odds with the idea of Atheismplus which seemed to be, at least partly, an attempt to move on from this sort of ridiculing of religion.

I guess he's been told by his book publishers that he needs to create a youtube presence in his own right, rather than what is currently visible when you search for him - the pharyngula freakshowsgoogle hangouts.

[Tony Parsehole]

PZ's foray into vlogging. Not bad for starters, but not exactly at Tfoot level of production quality. Now if we can only get him to turn on comments.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... riment-ok/

Comments and ratings disabled.
The perfect recipe for a YouTube failure.

[BarnOwl]

PZ's foray into vlogging. Not bad for starters, but not exactly at Tfoot level of production quality. Now if we can only get him to turn on comments.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... riment-ok/

It is weird seeing PZ getting back to the activity that made him famous - mocking creationists.
That sort of skepticism is pretty much aiming for the low-hanging fruit and seems at odds with the idea of Atheismplus which seemed to be, at least partly, an attempt to move on from this sort of ridiculing of religion.

I guess he's been told by his book publishers that he needs to create a youtube presence in his own right, rather than what is currently visible when you search for him - the pharyngula freakshowsgoogle hangouts.

I watched the Google hangout on "Atheism+environmentalism," which included a long tangent about terraforming other planets and sending cyborgs into space to represent humankind. It was mostly about whether atheism should include environmentalism, rather than about how atheists could address environmental issues. Whether is a philosophical question, whereas how is a more practical question, and I am far more interested in the latter. Had the conversation been about how, I would have liked to be part of it, but of course we know that's never going to happen.

I think that a Google hangout conversation (or several) about topics such as environmentalism would be a more interesting and productive way to have a dialogue involving opposing sides - I'm not advocating an insult-slinging video cage match, but I find the rules and moderation of Nugent's approach to be stifling and ultimately unproductive.

[Dick Strawkins]

PZ's foray into vlogging. Not bad for starters, but not exactly at Tfoot level of production quality. Now if we can only get him to turn on comments.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... riment-ok/

Comments and ratings disabled.
The perfect recipe for a YouTube failure.

I don't mind the comments being switched off. I much prefer that rather than selective deletion of those that criticize him.
PZ's big problem with being a video star is that his voice is so booooring in person. He comes across as a middle aged college professor from fuckknowswhere university. Whatever you think of his last couple of years as a SJW, he can still write. But, unfortunately for him, his off-the-cuff video appearances seem very
amateurish. He always seems like he's about...to ...fall .......aslee..................p.

[Dick Strawkins]

PZ's foray into vlogging. Not bad for starters, but not exactly at Tfoot level of production quality. Now if we can only get him to turn on comments.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... riment-ok/

It is weird seeing PZ getting back to the activity that made him famous - mocking creationists.
That sort of skepticism is pretty much aiming for the low-hanging fruit and seems at odds with the idea of Atheismplus which seemed to be, at least partly, an attempt to move on from this sort of ridiculing of religion.

I guess he's been told by his book publishers that he needs to create a youtube presence in his own right, rather than what is currently visible when you search for him - the pharyngula freakshowsgoogle hangouts.

I watched the Google hangout on "Atheism+environmentalism," which included a long tangent about terraforming other planets and sending cyborgs into space to represent humankind. It was mostly about whether atheism should include environmentalism, rather than about how atheists could address environmental issues. Whether is a philosophical question, whereas how is a more practical question, and I am far more interested in the latter. Had the conversation been about how, I would have liked to be part of it, but of course we know that's never going to happen.

I think that a Google hangout conversation (or several) about topics such as environmentalism would be a more interesting and productive way to have a dialogue involving opposing sides - I'm not advocating an insult-slinging video cage match, but I find the rules and moderation of Nugent's approach to be stifling and ultimately unproductive.

The dedicated 'Atheist Skeptic Dialogue' has been strangled to death by its structure and strict (and painfully slow) moderation. That said there is still some interesting interactions happening on Nugents main site.
http://www.michaelnugent.com/2013/04/16 ... e-process/

[Cunning Punt]

Any spoilers and I will fuck you up

Nobody tell Punt about the bit with the flying carpet and the basket of singing mangoes.

Right. It's a crown of gold for you.

When I enjoy a series, I usually fly through episodes - sometimes 4 a day, however I'm watching with a friend, and therefore I am on his schedule... I must say all the doggie style is a splendid bonus

Yes, plus it's a nice way for the family to bond.

[Dick Strawkins]

Any spoilers and I will fuck you up

Nobody tell Punt about the bit with the flying carpet and the basket of singing mangoes.

Right. It's a crown of gold for you.

When I enjoy a series, I usually fly through episodes - sometimes 4 a day, however I'm watching with a friend, and therefore I am on his schedule... I must say all the doggie style is a splendid bonus

Yes, plus it's a nice way for the family to bond.

If your family is like the Lannisters, I guess. :roll: