This is from a few pages back.Jack wrote:Erm, where's the science in this? What other conditions may have influenced the results? What was the sample size? What were the results? Where was it? Are there local cultural influences? It may be right but that report shows nothing more than perhaps something to test..scientifically.Apples wrote:So this is one of the Pharyngula wiki's sources on "Stereotype Threat" in stem fields. The methodology of the study discussed is .... interesting.They had male and female scientists at a research university wear the audio recorders and go about their work. When the scientists analyzed the audio samples, they found there was a pattern in the way the male and female professors talked to one another.
When male scientists talked to other scientists about their research, it energized them. But it was a different story for women.
"For women, the pattern was just the opposite, specifically in their conversations with male colleagues," Schmader said. "So the more women in their conversations with male colleagues were talking about research, the more disengaged they reported being in their work."
Disengagement predicts that someone is at risk of dropping out.
There was another sign of trouble.
When female scientists talked to other female scientists, they sounded perfectly competent. But when they talked to male colleagues, Mehl and Schmader found that they sounded less competent.
One obvious explanation was that the men were being nasty to their female colleagues and throwing them off their game. Mehl and Schmader checked the tapes.
"We don't have any evidence that there is anything that men are saying to make this happen," Schmader said.
But the audiotapes did provide a clue about what was going on. When the male and female scientists weren't talking about work, the women reported feeling more engaged.
For Mehl and Schmader, this was the smoking gun that an insidious psychological phenomenon called "stereotype threat" was at work. It could potentially explain the disparity between men and women pursuing science and math careers.
Is that their evidence?
Where's the "study" on men entering traditionally women's spaces? Like full time primary parenting? Why is it that I (and many others can, men and women) still overcome these "stereotypes" where others can not? Why is is that some people are able to conform (at least a bit) to fit in better where other people would rather cry in the corner than change their behavior (even slightly)?
And I'd like to point out that when women enter STEM fields they aren't harassed by law enforcement over nothing. (Like men sometimes are for the horrid crime of bringing their toddler to the park in the presence of women). The "stereotype" of being a criminal is IMO worse than the stereotype of not being good at math.
So yeah, what about the men?
