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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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Congratulations! Now, there's how we expect you to show up for the paper's presentation:

http://i.imgur.com/AXeKtYr.jpg

FOR SCIENCE!

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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I noticed that Carrier is touting an online course that he's involved with run by the CFI.
http://action.centerforinquiry.net/site ... iew=Detail

It's on the subject of 'Free Will'
I looked up the details and it appears to be a series of video lectures with the chance to ask questions online of the instructors.
There's no written work and no grading.
Fair enough, you may say, it seems to be a useful service run by the CFI.
They get a lot of charitable donations and membership fees and it's good that they give something back in the form of an educational resource to the community.

But wait, what's that?
I can't simply sign up?
I have to pay 70 dollars (!) for the privilege of watching these clips?

I'm not suggesting that Carrier or his co-lecturer John Shook should do these for free, but is it really necessary for the CFI to charge such a fee for people to watch the clips?
Shouldn't they be using the money they get from normal activities to provide these clips to the community at large rather than restrict them to the economically advantaged?
Wouldn't that be a better use of resources rather than flying people in from all around the US and hosting them at the Washington Marriot?
http://action.centerforinquiry.net/site ... iew=Detail

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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Hunt wrote:http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ent-611392
On backpacks: I can’t always use them, unfortunately, and sometimes I don’t have enough crap to justify wearing one.

Shit whut I keep in the bags I carry:

multi-tool
a police baton
antacids
pens and pencils
a tablet (Galaxy Note)
aspirin
spare pads
caffeinated gum
my meds
spare bottle of water (it’s a desert around here. Stay hydrated or pass out.)
instant coffee
a few packets of sugar for the coffee
anti-nausea and/or bloating pills (my stomach is not a happy camper often)
a window popper (a tool for breaking safety glass)
a granola bar or packet of nuts (I forget to eat often)
lip balm
wallet
phone
keys
spare deodorant (I forget sometimes on the way out of the door)
sunscreen
a few safety pins
a Kindle
shit to grade or projects unable to be stored on the tablet

So, you know, enough shit to merit a bag, if I can remember to keep toting it along.
Wait, no space blanket? You mean to tell me you keep enough crap in your bag to survive a night on Everest, while remaining connected and able to fight off a horny fellow climber, and no space blanket? You know, it CAN get down to freezing in the desert at night.
Ugh. All their self-involved obsessing about problems they'll rarely or never encounter. Most of the time they're just boasting, or reminding people of their (largely psychogenic) "health" issues.

In stark contrast to that, I watched an Independent Lens film last night about undocumented workers crossing the border by way of the Sonoran Desert. Really depressing and upsetting. Lots of trigger warnings (if you're worried about such things), but worth watching because it addresses a serious issue in a compassionate and humanistic manner. Focuses on the Arizona-Mexico border, but the same problems exist in my border state, and it hit really close to home. We desperately need immigration reform.

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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Post by Southern »

Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:Atheism Plus practical clothes. I'm all out of facepalms.
They don't make Social Justice Warrior like they used to to, do they?

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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Dick Strawkins wrote:I noticed that Carrier is touting an online course that he's involved with run by the CFI.
http://action.centerforinquiry.net/site ... iew=Detail

It's on the subject of 'Free Will'
I looked up the details and it appears to be a series of video lectures with the chance to ask questions online of the instructors.
There's no written work and no grading.
Fair enough, you may say, it seems to be a useful service run by the CFI.
They get a lot of charitable donations and membership fees and it's good that they give something back in the form of an educational resource to the community.

But wait, what's that?
I can't simply sign up?
I have to pay 70 dollars (!) for the privilege of watching these clips?

I'm not suggesting that Carrier or his co-lecturer John Shook should do these for free, but is it really necessary for the CFI to charge such a fee for people to watch the clips?
Shouldn't they be using the money they get from normal activities to provide these clips to the community at large rather than restrict them to the economically advantaged?
Wouldn't that be a better use of resources rather than flying people in from all around the US and hosting them at the Washington Marriot?
http://action.centerforinquiry.net/site ... iew=Detail
70 dollars? There are a lot of online courses that are free: coursera, edX, and udacity for example. However, none of those have many philosophy courses that I've seen. If you aren't picky about video lectures there's MIT OpenCourseWare. And I'd be surprised if there weren't some halfway decent philosophy videos somewhere on youtube.

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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Steersman wrote:
On the other hand, if [Justin] attends, I will have a much less productive conference. Everything I do or say will be observed and reported on by a hostile party. Sarcasm and even obvious jokes will be off the table. So will unguarded exchanges about challenges, which was one of the most productive parts of last year’s conference.
That’s really tough there, Stephanie, you being obliged to be less dogmatic than you might otherwise have been – no longer preaching just to the faithful.
Basically, Justin is crashing their sexism party. They won't be able to make male-bashing jokes/comments/statements/opinions without someone being there to record them for posterity. So it'll be less fun for them.
We may not or we may or we must shape our agendas to appeal to groups of people whose relationships to these various issues are very different from the relationships of the white, cisgendered, educated, middle-class to upper-class men who have shaped the traditional concerns of our movements.
As others, including Submariner, have done, one has to wonder – and she has been remarkably loath to answer – how it is that membership in those various classes has negatively impacted the “traditional concerns” if not the principles of atheism, skepticism and secularism. Seems to be some questionable bias there that should raise a few warning flags.
You know something, I'll be honest with you. I actually do think that in a lot of ways, the skeptical/atheist movement would be better off it was it was more accessible to those with less formal education and those with less economic resources. And as for sexuality? I'm not sure how it matters all that much, when it comes to skepticism.

But replacing a bunch of white, educated, middle-class to upper-class men with a bunch of white, educated, middle-class to upper-class (maybe not on paper..but attitude wise? For sure) women? Doesn't actually strike me as much of a change. To be more precise, I'm making the argument that the feminism that she wants to inject into skepticism is a white, educated, middle-class to upper-class developed and focused ideology.

I'm actually a bad skeptic. Really. Truth be told, I really don't care all that much about non-dangerous silly beliefs. UFO's, Bigfoot, and so on. (Something like homeopathy or anti-vax being a different can of worms of course). When it comes to religion, I've always said the same thing. The problem is the privilege.

The sense of entitlement that comes with religion. That's my major beef with religion as a whole. It's not that the beliefs themselves I don't like (although I don't), but it's that factor that, IMO, makes them dangerous. And I see the same thing with this particular strain of feminism. The entitlement runs deep and strong...especially right now.

Hypocrisy is basically just this sense of self-entitlement and privilege manifested.

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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I remember the days when I looked good in a tight-fitting, short sleeved T-shirt. Now that my beer belly is showing I think they should ban all non-baggy, body-conforming clothing for the sake of my self esteem.

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:MKG:

Yeah, sure, it's a bit blown over. Personally I'm not much worried about the con itself. One thing that might happen and would be really worth mocking, would be if Myers or Benson cross paths with Justin at some point and he does nothing, maybe a nod or a hand-wave. I would bet they would take this home as a "win". Something like "the little coward didn't even dare address us".

Just a gut-feeling, though, and I may be proven wrong.
I have said the very same thing to Justin. That all this pre-event conversation about his attendance, certain individuals effectively putting him on warning with all the - I'm warning you to not get near me, not talk to me, don't approach me -business, are an intent to keep him standing in the hall. And the post-event conversations will be all about how they put him in his place and 'won'. In reality, I think it will be a loss for everyone involved because conferences are for networking, education and engagement - not shunning. This would be exactly the right type of environment for everyone to grab their favorite beverage and sit down together after hours to hash it out and MAKE AMENDS. To walk away with agreements on how to move forward productively.

I'm suggesting to Justin that he create an open invitation outside of the event schedule to anyone seriously interested in improving and having constructive relationships. He very well may have coffee with himself, however, if one doesn't ask, one doesn't get.

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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Hunt wrote:You know, I think I've finally figured out why PZ writes posts like that. It's not that he actually believes that things like clothing can be oppression. Otherwise, why no post on 70s bell-bottoms, which would then have been a massive misanthropic campaign to destroy humanity. It's his weird way of flirting with his harem of SJW women.
Speaking of Peezus, he had a post the other day about Tatsuya Ishida, the writer of the webcomic Sinfest.
A couple of years ago Ishida radically changed the political tone of his comic to that of a distinctly porn-negative (and indeed sex negative) feminist stance.
There has been a lot of criticism over this stance, not least from feminists themselves:
http://lurknomoar.tumblr.com/post/48141 ... nism-wrong
http://www.democraticunderground.com/11142078
When we are at the stage where even Charlie Brown is seen as needing a restraining order for being a sexual pervert then it is time to wonder if it's gone a step too far.
Peezes, on the other hand, seems to think Ishida is doing everything correctly.
http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ya-ishida/
I’ve been following him for many years, and one of the interesting things you can see as he matured is that he’s gone from drawing pimp ninjas and geisha sluts to developing a very feminist sensibility.

Look at his latest, for instance — no words at all, but he still gets across regret at what patriarchal culture has done.

There’s been a striking transformation going on. I’d really like to hear in his own words what’s going on through his head…but his art seems to be doing a fine job of communicating.

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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Seriously, what is all this silliness? You could say that JV is just trying to exercise his right to free speech, except for the fact that he's not stated that he'll be saying anything to.. anyone!

This stuff about him being a (predicted) threat seems nothing more than childish, schoolyard, us vs them shit. It really is a new low.

It boggles the mind and it makes me glad I don't feel the need to attend these conferences. Meanwhile, people in the real world have real world problems and some people even solve other people's real word problems for them because that's just what they do.

Oh and best wishes to you Renee and your partner.

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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Regarding Justin Vacula's attendance at the conference, I hope it all goes very smoothly and the drama llamas, whoever they are, have nothing to pontificate about.

Basically, I'm just bored with Justin Vacula and Justin Vacula's endless self promotion - it's been part of the Pit ever since Justin Vacula signed up, and there was an early thread about Justin Vacula, shortly afterwards. Justin Vacula has not changed since then, and to an extent only rivaled by Cobweb Cunt, Justin Vacula always makes it about...

...Justin Vacula.

It's got to the point where I don't read Justin Vacula any more because I don't need to - Justin Vacula will always be talking about...

...Justin Vacula.

I understand Welch ranting about Justin Vacula, and I think he's right - Justin Vacula renders Justin Vacula's input pretty much worthless in many cases by going on about how Justin Vacula has been treated by others, how Justin Vacula interprets the situation, and what Justin Vacula plans to do in Justin Vacula's next post (and how Justin Vacula has dealt with in in previous posts by Justin Vacula).

So, Justin Vacula's posts (by Justin Vacula, don't you know!) don't get read by this non-reader of Justin Vacula.

YMMV (Your mileage may Vacula).

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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Southern wrote:
Congratulations! Now, there's how we expect you to show up for the paper's presentation:

http://i.imgur.com/AXeKtYr.jpg

FOR SCIENCE!
Yes!! This is now a requirement! (...and congrats on the publication Miss Smith!)

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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FrankGrimes wrote:Seriously, what is all this silliness? You could say that JV is just trying to exercise his right to free speech, except for the fact that he's not stated that he'll be saying anything to.. anyone!

This stuff about him being a (predicted) threat seems nothing more than childish, schoolyard, us vs them shit. It really is a new low.

It boggles the mind and it makes me glad I don't feel the need to attend these conferences. Meanwhile, people in the real world have real world problems and some people even solve other people's real word problems for them because that's just what they do.

Oh and best wishes to you Renee and your partner.
Exactly. As I said, the conference title should be changed to "PZ, Ophie, and Zvan Think Vacula Has Kooties So Neener-Neener".

And thanks, Frank. He just has to heal now. All the radiation crap is done.

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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Lsuoma wrote:Regarding Justin Vacula's attendance at the conference, I hope it all goes very smoothly and the drama llamas, whoever they are, have nothing to pontificate about.

Basically, I'm just bored with Justin Vacula and Justin Vacula's endless self promotion - it's been part of the Pit ever since Justin Vacula signed up, and there was an early thread about Justin Vacula, shortly afterwards. Justin Vacula has not changed since then, and to an extent only rivaled by Cobweb Cunt, Justin Vacula always makes it about...

...Justin Vacula.

It's got to the point where I don't read Justin Vacula any more because I don't need to - Justin Vacula will always be talking about...

...Justin Vacula.

I understand Welch ranting about Justin Vacula, and I think he's right - Justin Vacula renders Justin Vacula's input pretty much worthless in many cases by going on about how Justin Vacula has been treated by others, how Justin Vacula interprets the situation, and what Justin Vacula plans to do in Justin Vacula's next post (and how Justin Vacula has dealt with in in previous posts by Justin Vacula).

So, Justin Vacula's posts (by Justin Vacula, don't you know!) don't get read by this non-reader of Justin Vacula.

YMMV (Your mileage may Vacula).
I would say I was bored with this JV guy too but that would mean I'd have to be interested in the first place. He did have a pretty good mo' once though from what I've read.

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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ReneeHendricks wrote:Exactly. As I said, the conference title should be changed to "PZ, Ophie, and Zvan Think Vacula Has Kooties So Neener-Neener".

And thanks, Frank. He just has to heal now. All the radiation crap is done.
I have no idea what it must be like for either of you and I wouldn't know either of you from a bar of soap but best wishes again for the healing period.

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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Dick Strawkins wrote:
Hunt wrote:You know, I think I've finally figured out why PZ writes posts like that. It's not that he actually believes that things like clothing can be oppression. Otherwise, why no post on 70s bell-bottoms, which would then have been a massive misanthropic campaign to destroy humanity. It's his weird way of flirting with his harem of SJW women.
Speaking of Peezus, he had a post the other day about Tatsuya Ishida, the writer of the webcomic Sinfest.
A couple of years ago Ishida radically changed the political tone of his comic to that of a distinctly porn-negative (and indeed sex negative) feminist stance.
There has been a lot of criticism over this stance, not least from feminists themselves:
http://lurknomoar.tumblr.com/post/48141 ... nism-wrong
http://www.democraticunderground.com/11142078
When we are at the stage where even Charlie Brown is seen as needing a restraining order for being a sexual pervert then it is time to wonder if it's gone a step too far.
Peezes, on the other hand, seems to think Ishida is doing everything correctly.
http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ya-ishida/
I’ve been following him for many years, and one of the interesting things you can see as he matured is that he’s gone from drawing pimp ninjas and geisha sluts to developing a very feminist sensibility.

Look at his latest, for instance — no words at all, but he still gets across regret at what patriarchal culture has done.

There’s been a striking transformation going on. I’d really like to hear in his own words what’s going on through his head…but his art seems to be doing a fine job of communicating.
Never heard of it before, but holy shit the latest one that Peezus is praising. http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=4618

So, the patriarchy exists online and it works like a totalitarian nightmare dictatorship in which women are thrown screaming into a pit along with homosexuals and transexuals while men are made to worship masculinity (and presumably heterosexuality) through implied threats of violence and the forced consumption of internet porn.

Uh, yeah, I think i'll stick with three word phrase.

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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Dick Strawkins wrote:I noticed that Carrier is touting an online course that he's involved with run by the CFI.
http://action.centerforinquiry.net/site ... iew=Detail

It's on the subject of 'Free Will'
I looked up the details and it appears to be a series of video lectures with the chance to ask questions online of the instructors.
There's no written work and no grading.
Fair enough, you may say, it seems to be a useful service run by the CFI.
They get a lot of charitable donations and membership fees and it's good that they give something back in the form of an educational resource to the community.

But wait, what's that?
I can't simply sign up?
I have to pay 70 dollars (!) for the privilege of watching these clips?

I'm not suggesting that Carrier or his co-lecturer John Shook should do these for free, but is it really necessary for the CFI to charge such a fee for people to watch the clips?
Shouldn't they be using the money they get from normal activities to provide these clips to the community at large rather than restrict them to the economically advantaged?
Wouldn't that be a better use of resources rather than flying people in from all around the US and hosting them at the Washington Marriot?
http://action.centerforinquiry.net/site ... iew=Detail
One of the main things I've concluded in the process of watching this whole mess play out is that these quasi-well known personalities (FtB, Skepchick, etc.) and groups like CFI are no longer in it for the betterment of the community (if they ever were)- they play their 'activism' solely for the benefit of themselves. The circular, self serving, self promoting, incestuous relationships that can be seen by who is chosen to speak at these cons says it all. This is why I let my membership to CFI expire - they no longer represent the skeptical community or even skepticism and why I also stopped visiting FtB. I've also learned that 'atheist/skeptics' are generally no brighter than the rest of the population and are perfectly willing to let a new set of people do their thinking for them, including being fleeced in the process.

Humanity is doomed and these people are the living proof of its inevitability.

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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ReneeHendricks wrote:
And thanks, Frank. He just has to heal now. All the radiation crap is done.
Glad to see your guy made it through the last few weeks of treatment. Hopefully, the worst is over and the healing will go quickly.

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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cunt wrote:
Dick Strawkins wrote:
Hunt wrote:You know, I think I've finally figured out why PZ writes posts like that. It's not that he actually believes that things like clothing can be oppression. Otherwise, why no post on 70s bell-bottoms, which would then have been a massive misanthropic campaign to destroy humanity. It's his weird way of flirting with his harem of SJW women.
Speaking of Peezus, he had a post the other day about Tatsuya Ishida, the writer of the webcomic Sinfest.
A couple of years ago Ishida radically changed the political tone of his comic to that of a distinctly porn-negative (and indeed sex negative) feminist stance.
There has been a lot of criticism over this stance, not least from feminists themselves:
http://lurknomoar.tumblr.com/post/48141 ... nism-wrong
http://www.democraticunderground.com/11142078
When we are at the stage where even Charlie Brown is seen as needing a restraining order for being a sexual pervert then it is time to wonder if it's gone a step too far.
Peezes, on the other hand, seems to think Ishida is doing everything correctly.
http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ya-ishida/
I’ve been following him for many years, and one of the interesting things you can see as he matured is that he’s gone from drawing pimp ninjas and geisha sluts to developing a very feminist sensibility.

Look at his latest, for instance — no words at all, but he still gets across regret at what patriarchal culture has done.

There’s been a striking transformation going on. I’d really like to hear in his own words what’s going on through his head…but his art seems to be doing a fine job of communicating.
Never heard of it before, but holy shit the latest one that Peezus is praising. http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=4618

So, the patriarchy exists online and it works like a totalitarian nightmare dictatorship in which women are thrown screaming into a pit along with homosexuals and transexuals while men are made to worship masculinity (and presumably heterosexuality) through implied threats of violence and the forced consumption of internet porn.

Uh, yeah, I think i'll stick with three word phrase.
I wonder if they are in for a shock with Ishida in the not too distant future.
The sort of complete change in tone of his comics along with an absolute lack of humor regarding the topic is usually a sign of an individual who has found religion.
http://i.imgur.com/FjbQKI3.jpg

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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cunt wrote:Never heard of it before, but holy shit the latest one that Peezus is praising. http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=4618

So, the patriarchy exists online and it works like a totalitarian nightmare dictatorship in which women are thrown screaming into a pit along with homosexuals and transexuals while men are made to worship masculinity (and presumably heterosexuality) through implied threats of violence and the forced consumption of internet porn.

Uh, yeah, I think i'll stick with three word phrase.
I have seen newspaper political cartoons with more subtlety.

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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Dick Strawkins wrote:
Hunt wrote:You know, I think I've finally figured out why PZ writes posts like that. It's not that he actually believes that things like clothing can be oppression. Otherwise, why no post on 70s bell-bottoms, which would then have been a massive misanthropic campaign to destroy humanity. It's his weird way of flirting with his harem of SJW women.
Speaking of Peezus, he had a post the other day about Tatsuya Ishida, the writer of the webcomic Sinfest.
A couple of years ago Ishida radically changed the political tone of his comic to that of a distinctly porn-negative (and indeed sex negative) feminist stance.
There has been a lot of criticism over this stance, not least from feminists themselves:
http://lurknomoar.tumblr.com/post/48141 ... nism-wrong
http://www.democraticunderground.com/11142078
When we are at the stage where even Charlie Brown is seen as needing a restraining order for being a sexual pervert then it is time to wonder if it's gone a step too far.
Peezes, on the other hand, seems to think Ishida is doing everything correctly.
http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ya-ishida/
I’ve been following him for many years, and one of the interesting things you can see as he matured is that he’s gone from drawing pimp ninjas and geisha sluts to developing a very feminist sensibility.

Look at his latest, for instance — no words at all, but he still gets across regret at what patriarchal culture has done.

There’s been a striking transformation going on. I’d really like to hear in his own words what’s going on through his head…but his art seems to be doing a fine job of communicating.
It's PZ's attempt to show just how feminist he is, just like in the post he wrote about Twisty's brilliant (hysterical and ludcrious) insights into feminism and patriarchal culture. He's alienated a lot of the Atheist community already, so the only move he's got left is to become the poster boy for social justice in the Atheist movement. Play up to your audience and keep getting your niche hits and conference bookings. It's clear he hasn't seriously considered the actual content of half the links he posts, if their abundant criticisms of both from those inside the feminist community.

Also, the Charlie Brown and Fifty Shade Grey comics, written by that Ishida are absolutely ludicrous. Though he is a talented artist.

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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AbsurdWalls wrote:
cunt wrote:Never heard of it before, but holy shit the latest one that Peezus is praising. http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=4618

So, the patriarchy exists online and it works like a totalitarian nightmare dictatorship in which women are thrown screaming into a pit along with homosexuals and transexuals while men are made to worship masculinity (and presumably heterosexuality) through implied threats of violence and the forced consumption of internet porn.

Uh, yeah, I think i'll stick with three word phrase.
I have seen newspaper political cartoons with more subtlety.
Ishida knows how to draw but unless this is a lead up to a big punchline it is completely over the top.

Look at this cartoon.

http://i.imgur.com/535zF0v.jpg

I guess the point is some sort of consciousness raising about women and the dangers they face.
But we all know that Charlie Brown poses no danger to anyone.
He's just an awkward kid.
Serving a restraining order on him doesn't protect anyone because they don't need protection from Charlie Brown.
It only results in Charlie Brown being branded a sex pest!

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AbsurdWalls wrote:
cunt wrote:Never heard of it before, but holy shit the latest one that Peezus is praising. http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=4618

So, the patriarchy exists online and it works like a totalitarian nightmare dictatorship in which women are thrown screaming into a pit along with homosexuals and transexuals while men are made to worship masculinity (and presumably heterosexuality) through implied threats of violence and the forced consumption of internet porn.

Uh, yeah, I think i'll stick with three word phrase.
I have seen newspaper political cartoons with more subtlety.
And really, don't even most political cartoons have a bit of humor (even if it's usually black)? That thing looks like a rad-fem equivalent of a Chick Tract (don't know if these things make it out of North American but if you're curious and willing to risk having your brain melt ... http://www.chick.com/catalog/tractlist.asp )

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Nim_Chimpsky wrote:
Dick Strawkins wrote:
Hunt wrote:You know, I think I've finally figured out why PZ writes posts like that. It's not that he actually believes that things like clothing can be oppression. Otherwise, why no post on 70s bell-bottoms, which would then have been a massive misanthropic campaign to destroy humanity. It's his weird way of flirting with his harem of SJW women.
Speaking of Peezus, he had a post the other day about Tatsuya Ishida, the writer of the webcomic Sinfest.
A couple of years ago Ishida radically changed the political tone of his comic to that of a distinctly porn-negative (and indeed sex negative) feminist stance.
There has been a lot of criticism over this stance, not least from feminists themselves:
http://lurknomoar.tumblr.com/post/48141 ... nism-wrong
http://www.democraticunderground.com/11142078
When we are at the stage where even Charlie Brown is seen as needing a restraining order for being a sexual pervert then it is time to wonder if it's gone a step too far.
Peezes, on the other hand, seems to think Ishida is doing everything correctly.
http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ya-ishida/
I’ve been following him for many years, and one of the interesting things you can see as he matured is that he’s gone from drawing pimp ninjas and geisha sluts to developing a very feminist sensibility.

Look at his latest, for instance — no words at all, but he still gets across regret at what patriarchal culture has done.

There’s been a striking transformation going on. I’d really like to hear in his own words what’s going on through his head…but his art seems to be doing a fine job of communicating.
It's PZ's attempt to show just how feminist he is, just like in the post he wrote about Twisty's brilliant (hysterical and ludcrious) insights into feminism and patriarchal culture. He's alienated a lot of the Atheist community already, so the only move he's got left is to become the poster boy for social justice in the Atheist movement. Play up to your audience and keep getting your niche hits and conference bookings. It's clear he hasn't seriously considered the actual content of half the links he posts, if their abundant criticisms of both from those inside the feminist community.

Also, the Charlie Brown and Fifty Shade Grey comics, written by that Ishida are absolutely ludicrous. Though he is a talented artist.
The thing is, PZ could probably fit in with the pro-porn feminist camp quite easily. We all know that he enjoys hentai tentacle porn. He is like Greta Christina in terms of how he personally accepts pornography.
Yet the side of feminism he allies himself with HATE the feminists that accept porn and sex workers.
He must know that the situation is unstable.

My view is that he knows it won't last but he's banking on keeping up the pretence up until he hits the big time when his book is released.

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cunt wrote: Never heard of it before, but holy shit the latest one that Peezus is praising. http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=4618

So, the patriarchy exists online and it works like a totalitarian nightmare dictatorship in which women are thrown screaming into a pit along with homosexuals and transexuals while men are made to worship masculinity (and presumably heterosexuality) through implied threats of violence and the forced consumption of internet porn.

Uh, yeah, I think i'll stick with three word phrase.
What complete bullshit. Take away the ultra-modern drawing style and we're left with a Stalinist level of propaganda.
No truth
No facts
No subtlety

And what is with these cunts demonising porn? I suppose porn is completely fine to watch, star in and write about if you're Greta Christina but woe-betide any beastly man who dares wank over it.

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Tony Parsehole wrote:
cunt wrote: Never heard of it before, but holy shit the latest one that Peezus is praising. http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=4618

So, the patriarchy exists online and it works like a totalitarian nightmare dictatorship in which women are thrown screaming into a pit along with homosexuals and transexuals while men are made to worship masculinity (and presumably heterosexuality) through implied threats of violence and the forced consumption of internet porn.

Uh, yeah, I think i'll stick with three word phrase.
What complete bullshit. Take away the ultra-modern drawing style and we're left with a Stalinist level of propaganda.
No truth
No facts
No subtlety

And what is with these cunts demonising porn? I suppose porn is completely fine to watch, star in and write about if you're Greta Christina but woe-betide any beastly man who dares wank over it.
No straight man. If you're gay you go into the pit and the patriarchy demon doesn't force you to watch. This is why there is no gay porn on the internet.

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Lsuoma wrote: YMMV (Your mileage may Vacula).
No fear, in just a few short weeks the SJW will find someone new at whom to blare their threat narrative clown horns. I'm betting on Mykeru, of course.

Just out of curiosity, given the reasons behind this unfortunate round of Vaculation, who else have they tried to ban from cons other than Sacha and Abbie and the guy from the ElevatorGATE blog?

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d4m10n wrote:
Skep tickle wrote:Greta Christina boards the anti-Vacula train by claiming to welcome disagreement.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/greta/2013/ ... hy-debate/
Greta has ticked off so many items on my personal "list of dealbreakers" that it's difficult to admit that this is mostly good advice, I hope she sticks to it going forward.
I think Greta makes a very good case about infighting and disagreement! If only she practiced what she preached. :?

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d4m10n wrote:
Lsuoma wrote: YMMV (Your mileage may Vacula).
No fear, in just a few short weeks the SJW will find someone new at whom to blare their threat narrative clown horns. I'm betting on Mykeru, of course.

Just out of curiosity, given the reasons behind this unfortunate round of Vaculation, who else have they tried to ban from cons other than Sacha and Abbie and the guy from the ElevatorGATE blog?
Well considering the claims that there's hundreds of rape threatening harrassers amongst the online atheist community you would think that they would have plenty of people who need to be banned - and for very good reason too!
Strange that the very worst they have ever publicly come up with is a misidentified 15 year old obsessive storyifier from England, a couple of atheist women from the US who want nothing to do with them, and now Vacula.
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d4m10n wrote:
Lsuoma wrote: YMMV (Your mileage may Vacula).
No fear, in just a few short weeks the SJW will find someone new at whom to blare their threat narrative clown horns. I'm betting on Mykeru, of course.

Just out of curiosity, given the reasons behind this unfortunate round of Vaculation, who else have they tried to ban from cons other than Sacha and Abbie and the guy from the ElevatorGATE blog?
Personally, I like the kid. Is he a bit self promoting? Sure. Is he a bit naive? Yes. What matters to me is that he is active in the real world in church-state separation issues and other secular issues. Someone wrote that Vacula has done more in real world activism than 99% of the atheists and secularists online.

New thread for discussing self promotion: viewtopic.php?f=29&p=86655#p86655

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Dick Strawkins wrote:
d4m10n wrote: No fear, in just a few short weeks the SJW will find someone new at whom to blare their threat narrative clown horns. I'm betting on Mykeru, of course.

Just out of curiosity, given the reasons behind this unfortunate round of Vaculation, who else have they tried to ban from cons other than Sacha and Abbie and the guy from the ElevatorGATE blog?
Well considering the claims that there's hundreds of rape threatening harrassers amongst the online atheist community you would think that they would have plenty of people who need to be banned - and for very good reason too!
Strange that the very worst they have ever publicly come up with is a misidentified 15 year old obsessive storyifier from England, a couple of atheist women from the US who want nothing to do with them, and now Vacula.
:think:
You forgot the dead Russian. Have to watch out for those guys...

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Where slimy Oolon doesn't get that you can't compare elephants to oranges:
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@ool0n You must not be very observant or you really think everyone is as biased as you are in their ethical stances. I have said/cc @aratina
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@ool0n *Big* difference between what you call a stalker and what one actually is. @AmbrosiaX @aratina
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@ool0n When those "stalkers" start contacting your loved one's medical team, come back and talk to me about it. @AmbrosiaX @aratina
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@ool0n When one of those "stalkers" purposely hunts down your children and family members to harass, talk to me then. @AmbrosiaX @aratina
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@ool0n I laugh about Dawn Gordon because after 5 years of her insane stalking crap, I'm entitled. @AmbrosiaX @aratina
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@reneehendricks Yes, let me say there is NO relation between your situation and the haphazard use of "stalker" by ---> @ool0n @aratina
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@AmbrosiaX It always gets me when supposedly intelligent people toss around that word so easily. @ool0n @aratina
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@reneehendricks So @AmbrosiaX was full of it then. Yours is a real stalker and you laugh about her so the principle is invalid... @aratina
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@ool0n And *my* point is way 2 many of the provics out there throw the word "stalker" around w/out knowing its meaning. @AmbrosiaX @aratina
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@ool0n I got added into this conversation after the fact so I've no fucking clue what it was about prior to my addition @AmbrosiaX @aratina
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@reneehendricks @AmbrosiaX @aratina … Apparently laughing about ur stalking invalidates it. You r pro-vic as u put it
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@ool0n Look... You want to debate, that is one thing. You're not going to take a serious matter and use it to play games. @reneehendricks
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@ool0n You obviously know nothing about the issue. If you feel you do, say something and stop being an asshole. @reneehendricks
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@ool0n No, it doesn't invalidate it. It makes it so I don't punch a hole in my monitor. Again. Big difference ... @AmbrosiaX @aratina
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@ool0n .... what you deem a stalker and what one really is. If you can't understand this, we're done with this convo. @AmbrosiaX @aratina
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@reneehendricks Absolutely I agree but @AmbrosiaX seems to think not. @aratina
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@reneehendricks Again @AmbrosiaX is the one who made the rule. I disagreed and take ure example 2b one that shows its balls @aratina
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@ool0n What I think is that you have no stance because you are a spineless troll. You're trying to get under @reneehendricks 's skin.
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@AmbrosiaX @reneehendricks @aratina Your words in that tweet r blatantly wrong. Laughing about it is perfectly valid as a coping mechanism
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@AmbrosiaX @reneehendricks @aratina Renee said it
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@ool0n ABOUT ACTUAL STALKERS, DUMBASS! Not the whiny provic bitches. @AmbrosiaX @aratina
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@AmbrosiaX @reneehendricks Not happy I used her example to show how wrong your point was eh :-)
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@AmbrosiaX @reneehendricks I used that as an example of how a victim of stalking does laugh about it. Renee is justified in doing so...
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@ool0n ... I get to read your dumbass crap this morning. Do me a favor and just fuck off for the day, ok? @AmbrosiaX @aratina
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@ool0n Then tell me if the Pitter are stalkers. If they are not, where you have told your friends that they were wrong. @reneehendricks
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@AmbrosiaX @reneehendricks Nope u said it as a general principle which Renee disproves. It is fine to laugh at and about stalkers
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@ool0n Not the same situation, at all. Now, kindly FUCK OFF, Oolon. @AmbrosiaX
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@AmbrosiaX @aratina Same issue from the start. Ur being slow as I'm saying renee is right to laugh about her stalker. As is anyone.
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@reneehendricks @AmbrosiaX Will do. Not trolling u. Actually saying u handle dg well and laughing is a good strategy
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@AmbrosiaX @reneehendricks One point. Does your original tweet hold up as a principle?
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@AmbrosiaX @reneehendricks I don't think its amusing for you to spread disinformation about what are valid ways of dealing with stalkers
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@AmbrosiaX @reneehendricks Really don't want to address the question do you!
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@ool0n Where is the reference I asked you for? Where does it say people should laugh at stalkers, as you are claiming is correct?
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@ool0n What do you do for a living? You have very little analytical ability and your knowledge of science is elementary at best.
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@AmbrosiaX Read your tweet I responded to. Renee laughs at her stalker and is right to. Not according to that tweet.
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@AmbrosiaX Hope not... But I constantly get that from ure side. Projection much?
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@ool0n what I actually tweeted since I didn't say who Melody was talking about and neither did Simon. I did choose to say I thought
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@ool0n she was talking about Sharon because that was not a lie. That was the truth and one that matched everyone else's interpretation...
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@ool0n wrong, you search through our timelines like a horny teenager flipping through a Sears catalogue. I'm sorry you came up dry and this
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@ool0n points much like I imagine your boy juice does when you see an opportunity to troll on someone else's conversation, I have no choice
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@ool0n but to go back to our original relationship. That would be where I blocked you in response to you blocking me. I shall not miss you.
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IVANOOOOOOOOOOOOOFFFFFF!

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What happend?
Did Vacula break the slymepit?
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The pit is back! Lost it for about an hour.

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Lsuoma probably wanked too hard. Just a hypothesis.

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Little bit of news about an old friend who hasn't come up too recently: How Skepchick Rebecca Watson misuse Statistics (sic). The money shot:
Phil Plait has a high amount of intellectual integrity and honesty and cares about statistical accuracy. When it came to that issue, he was more or less at the summit of the skeptical ideal. In stark contrast, Rebecca Watson seems to prefer to chill out in the base camp.

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Mr Franc Hoggle, AKA Victor Ivanoff, AKA David Mabus, AKA every single account on Slymepit, what the hell have you done?! Now even sorority girls are into cunt kicking:
I will fucking cunt punt the next person I hear about doing something like that, and I don't give a fuck if you SOR me, I WILL FUCKING ASSAULT YOU.
Ophelia Benson was right about you, you sick monster. YOU ARE MAKING A GENERATION OF CUNT KICKERS!

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Little bit of news about an old friend who hasn't come up too recently: How Skepchick Rebecca Watson misuse Statistics (sic). The money shot:
Phil Plait has a high amount of intellectual integrity and honesty and cares about statistical accuracy. When it came to that issue, he was more or less at the summit of the skeptical ideal. In stark contrast, Rebecca Watson seems to prefer to chill out in the base camp.

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Sorry for the double post - my browser hung up and I had to resend.

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Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:I think CFI will have to be very careful in their decisions if there happens to be reports against Justin. They'd better make sure they have all the evidence needed if they take actions. Else, it's going to look quite bad for them.

A bit like Stephanie regretting she won't be able to say certain things because there's a hostile in the room. What, she thinks Justin will take what she says without generous interpretation? That may well be the case, and would be totally deserved, seeing as a lot of people are at the Pit today because something they said was taken with the least generous interpretation. What's sauce for the glaargh is sauce for the shtubuu, and all that...
She's assuming that there will be nobody else in the room that might not agree with her, or might point out something she said?

You know what the first rule of broadcasting is? Always assume there's a live microphone somewhere in range. Same shit. When speaking publicly, always assume there's a dissenter among you audience, and speak as if you were talking directly to them....

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d4m10n wrote:
Lsuoma wrote: YMMV (Your mileage may Vacula).
No fear, in just a few short weeks the SJW will find someone new at whom to blare their threat narrative clown horns. I'm betting on Mykeru, of course.

Just out of curiosity, given the reasons behind this unfortunate round of Vaculation, who else have they tried to ban from The campaigns against Dawkins and Krauss should count. I think it was those campaigns *not* working against the Big Dogs that made them try the same tactics on us 'low hanging fruit'.

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Thought you guys might like to see how Rebecca Watson is attempting to smear Justin Vacula http://richardreed84.wordpress.com/2013 ... in-vacula/

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windy wrote:
Dick Strawkins wrote:
d4m10n wrote: No fear, in just a few short weeks the SJW will find someone new at whom to blare their threat narrative clown horns. I'm betting on Mykeru, of course.

Just out of curiosity, given the reasons behind this unfortunate round of Vaculation, who else have they tried to ban from cons other than Sacha and Abbie and the guy from the ElevatorGATE blog?
Well considering the claims that there's hundreds of rape threatening harrassers amongst the online atheist community you would think that they would have plenty of people who need to be banned - and for very good reason too!
Strange that the very worst they have ever publicly come up with is a misidentified 15 year old obsessive storyifier from England, a couple of atheist women from the US who want nothing to do with them, and now Vacula.
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You forgot the dead Russian. Have to watch out for those guys...

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RichardReed84 wrote:Thought you guys might like to see how Rebecca Watson is attempting to smear Justin Vacula http://richardreed84.wordpress.com/2013 ... in-vacula/
He does make it easy for her though doesn't he.

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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RichardReed84 wrote:Thought you guys might like to see how Rebecca Watson is attempting to smear Justin Vacula http://richardreed84.wordpress.com/2013 ... in-vacula/
That's a spectacularly wank attempt at smearing. Never has a barrel been so scraped.

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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Tony Parsehole wrote:
RichardReed84 wrote:Thought you guys might like to see how Rebecca Watson is attempting to smear Justin Vacula http://richardreed84.wordpress.com/2013 ... in-vacula/
That's a spectacularly wank attempt at smearing. Never has a barrel been so scraped.
Wait, so is RW saying that because JV allowed the posted "joke image" to remain on his facebook page that he actually MADE the joke?

In that case every threat on FTB is no longer attributed to the person posting it (call me a spic...etc) they are now considered as coming directly from the blog host who allowed them to remain. Mutatis mutandis...

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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Networking glitch at ISP.

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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Making this was probably a terrible idea, posting it here is probably worse.
in my defence I made it on the toilet.



Sorry.

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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Lsuoma wrote:Networking glitch at ISP.
More fucking misogynist speak, just because you dress it up with words like dongle and fork, doesn't make it any fucking less rapey. You guys think you are oh so smart with your secrect tech rape language, the SJW are onto you and Greta is intent on slaving your hard drive to her master. We are going to fatal error you floppy disks.

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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It's shocking that people would make jokes about sexual harrassment.

At least we know that Rebecca Watson would never do that.

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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Lsuoma wrote:Networking glitch at ISP.
Try SCE to AUX...

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Shit, missed a trick, Regreta + fluevogs = Reboota

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I've just laughed my ass off at StevoR on Steffy's page:
StevoR : Free West Papua, free Tibet, let the Chagossians return!

April 30, 2013 at 6:36 am (UTC -5)

Stephanie Zvan : You (along with pretty much all of of the B bloggers) have my admiration and respect and my sympathies for being put through this hate campaign for whatever little that may be worth.

Vacula and your fellow slimepitters – you seem to be such utterly contemptible, sad and petty people lost in your own all devouring cesspit of hatred against people who have done you no wrong and who are seeking to do you no wrong.

My advice to you is just drop this whole issue and rethink your lives and attitudes. Please.

Justin Vacula if you do go to the Women In Scepticism conference you have an opportunity.

An opportunity to sit back, listen seriously, learn and gain a new perspective or two and an improved understanding and appreciation of others views and life generally.

Alternatively its an opportunity if you so choose to (again) be a silly schmuck who perhaps annoys a few people who already dislike you, humiliates yourself and perhaps gets thrown out for your own misbehaviour.

So you probably have an opportunity here to surprise us and prove us wrong about you by choosing wisely -the former option over the latter one.

Here’s my challenge to you, refute me, Ophelia, PZ and others by showing you can behave like a reasonable, decent human being who is capable of learning and not just being a internet clown whose unfunny performances turn off and disgust most people who encounter or read about you.
Yes. You read that right - the StevoR issuing the challenge that we should behave like reasonable people and not internet clowns is the very same StevoR who regularly posts about how all them muslims are, at this very moment, plotting to pollute his precious bodily fluids to sweep across Amurkuh and exterminate everyone, pretty much.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/almostdiamo ... ent-230607

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Re: Mark

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Michael K Gray wrote:
Matt Cavanaugh wrote:
Michael K Gray wrote: "Mark", (the true authors are unknown), could have been written in 350AD, and still match every bit of extant evidence that we have. I don't believe that date, but it is a possibility. That folk aim for around 70AD is nothing more than backward logic, combined with wishful thinking.
Based on indirect references, the first Markan gospel seems to have appeared c. 145,
Sorry, but this is so fucking vague and unreferenced as to be placed in the clear category of "lies you have been told".
Chalk up another victory for the hedges surrounding the mythical Jeebus.
(For the uninitiated: "c. 145" means "circa 145", 'circa' being Latin for "around", "approximately" or "a guess".)
3 shaky unsubstantiated consecutive guesses, multiplying the uncertainty factor to a billion or more.
Fail.
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Matt Cavanaugh wrote:
There is also precious little evidence of the existence of organised Christianity before 400AD.
If nothing else, the Council of Nicaea (325) is a firm marker for the existence of christianity.
"precious little". Did you spot that? It does not mean "none".
Matt Cavanaugh wrote:If you accept as authentic Book X of Pliny the Younger's letters (I don't), then a vaguely-described cult of "Chrestians" existed in Asia Minor c. 112.
"Chrestians" has never ever appeared in any Greek text, EVER.
"Chrestus" does appear in Latin, but is means "useful one" or "slave".
Nothing whatsover to do with "Christ" nor "Christus", aprt from in wishful thinking. (Even though 11thC documents seem to have been fiddled-with early TIPPEX to imply the correspondence.) But as they are 11C, may be dismissed as irrelevant in any case to the issue at hand.
(Mara bar Serapion makes the point plain in Syriac)

For fux-sake Matthew, you could at least bring some very basic scholarship with you if you are going to debate me on this subject.
It is as though you have never read the originals in their Greek or Syriac.
Matt Cavanaugh wrote:The obvious interpolations in Josephus, Suetonius and Tacitus aside,
I'm glad that you put these "aside" as they have been recognised as forgeries since the late 19th century.
Don't even know why you mentioned these phony furphies, although I can guess.
(That mentioning them might make you seem slightly more erudite to the casual observer)
Matt Cavanaugh wrote:...the very earliest one can detect christianity is mid 2nd century.
And this 'confident' (note the use of the passive voice) dating comes from what primary evidence?
P457?
Guesswork?
Wishful thinking?
Carbon Dating?
Speed Dating?
Your arse?
Michael K Gray wrote:all of the dates of these mss (125~150AD) are based on pure orthographic guess-work by very biased believers
Indeed. Not a single gospel pericope can be reliably dated to prior to the mid 4th century, when Eusebius rewrote what became the canon, and consigned the rest to flames.
That assertion is in total conflict with your "mid 2ndC" detection.
If not from Gospels, then what?

I wish to know on what basis you make these extraordinary mutually conflicting claims of certainty.
Feel free to flounder.

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Please guys, don't turn this discussion into a flame war. It's genuinely educational for me. I've read a bit of Bart Ehrman's work (albeit not since 2006) and watched Brian Flemming's "The God Who Wasn't There" but that was about it, largely because the physical existence of an actual human on whom the stories were based seemed irrelevant to the essential truth claims of christianity.
I don't have a dog in the fight - just want to keep reading.

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Re: Mark

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Michael K Gray wrote: For fux-sake Matthew, you could at least bring some very basic scholarship with you if you are going to debate me on this subject.
I just love it when somebody shits down my throat when I'm trying to agree with them!

My examples of various datings are not "contradictory"; rather, 'best-case scenarios' that range from solid to circumstantial to highly speculative. My point was, even granting the most generous acceptance of such alleged evidence, the earliest one can push back the existence of christ-worshippers is early-to-mid 2nd Century. Hence, useless for substantiating the orthodox dating of the gospel tradition, which as you correctly note, is ass-backwards and based on wishful thinking.

I'm familiar with the etymology of "Chrestus" and later mss alterations of "e's" to "i's" -- I mentioned it to underscore that any evidence containing that word is compromised.

Since Tertullian, Justin Martyr, and Ireneaus all write contra Marcion, one must debunk their existence to dismiss Marcion. I wouldn't put it past Eusebius to fabricate any or all of them (or their works), but if you have info on that possibility, please share.

If you look again, you'll see that the post-Nicene rewrite I note is consilient with the mss-derived date of c. 400 you note. I hope you and I can agree that this represents the absolute earliest that a firm terminus can be set, with earlier dating growing rapidly more tentative as one goes.


FTR, I'm no scholar, just an avid, lay student of the subject. If I get something factually wrong, I'm eager to correct it. I'm also keen on learning more about skeptical analysis of the manuscripts, as I myself have small latin and less greek.

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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Tigzy wrote:I've just laughed my ass off at StevoR on Steffy's page:
StevoR : Free West Papua, free Tibet, let the Chagossians return!

April 30, 2013 at 6:36 am (UTC -5)

Stephanie Zvan : You (along with pretty much all of of the B bloggers) have my admiration and respect and my sympathies for being put through this hate campaign for whatever little that may be worth.

Vacula and your fellow slimepitters – you seem to be such utterly contemptible, sad and petty people lost in your own all devouring cesspit of hatred against people who have done you no wrong and who are seeking to do you no wrong.

My advice to you is just drop this whole issue and rethink your lives and attitudes. Please.

Justin Vacula if you do go to the Women In Scepticism conference you have an opportunity.

An opportunity to sit back, listen seriously, learn and gain a new perspective or two and an improved understanding and appreciation of others views and life generally.

Alternatively its an opportunity if you so choose to (again) be a silly schmuck who perhaps annoys a few people who already dislike you, humiliates yourself and perhaps gets thrown out for your own misbehaviour.

So you probably have an opportunity here to surprise us and prove us wrong about you by choosing wisely -the former option over the latter one.

Here’s my challenge to you, refute me, Ophelia, PZ and others by showing you can behave like a reasonable, decent human being who is capable of learning and not just being a internet clown whose unfunny performances turn off and disgust most people who encounter or read about you.
Yes. You read that right - the StevoR issuing the challenge that we should behave like reasonable people and not internet clowns is the very same StevoR who regularly posts about how all them muslims are, at this very moment, plotting to pollute his precious bodily fluids to sweep across Amurkuh and exterminate everyone, pretty much.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/almostdiamo ... ent-230607

Ah yes, the delightful SteveoR

http://i.imgur.com/BHdi61i.jpg

Please learn some decency, Vacula, otherwise SteveoR's might be forced to rape you with decaying porcupines and red hot pokers! :shock:

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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Zenspace wrote:
sacha wrote:
Mykeru wrote:
sacha wrote: add a few years until they are mid 50's to early 60's and that is visual perfection for sacha.
You need to roll in duct tape, get off some of the pet hair and go out for a good schtupping.
you have no idea just how much I need a good schtupping.

“I do not want to be the leader. I refuse to be the leader. I want to live darkly and richly in my femaleness. I want a man lying over me, always over me. His will, his pleasure, his desire, his life, his work, his sexuality the touchstone, the command, my pivot. I don’t mind working, holding my ground intellectually, artistically; but as a woman, oh, God, as a woman I want to be dominated. I don’t mind being told to stand on my own feet, not to cling, be all that I am capable of doing, but I am going to be pursued, fucked, possessed by the will of a male at his time, his bidding.”

-Anaïs Nin
Sacha, just wanted to take a moment to thank you for posting this very remarkable quote, especially notable given its author. I am a fan of Nin, but had never run across this particular item before. It strikes at the center of something I find lacking in much feminist discourse, in all its many forms: the ability to be a strong, complete, independent individual, while remaining in full possession of one's sexuality as a female. Nin embraced her femaleness in full, shirking none of it or its implications. Rather, she made it a central driving force in her life, societies prescribed rules and positions be damned. Remarkable indeed.
We have a close friend of a few years, now regrettably separated by an ocean, who is a remarkably driven, successful and (if you don't know her) somewhat intimidating woman.
She also gets off on being dominated sexually.
She would be deeply amused by any SJW trying to instruct her on "correct" sexuality and, if they pressed the issue (and she'd partaken of a few vodkas) would likely beat the piss out of them.

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