Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

[welch]

Wooly Bumblebee chides MRM for not addressing political divide within. Expresses opinion of libertarianism similar to that seen at FtB, but does so in full sentences, presenting her argument, without calling anyone a fucktard.

It's at WB's blog, titled "Why the Men's Rights Movement will fail" - will be interesting to see what response she gets. (I'm on phone, hard to post the link)

Interesting article, and quite surprising as it seems that WBB may have found a few flies in the MRM ointment. This in particular is quite interesting:

The absolute refusal of those who advocate for libertarianism ideals to acknowledge history, human nature, biology, and all other evidence that their ideology flies in the face of all we know about human beings is what holds the movement back from ever being able to accomplish anything productive.

<snip>

The libertarian desire to ignore evidence and facts is what is destroying the MRM. This utopian fantasy is no more realistic than Narnia is, and makes the MRM look like a joke to those who are educated enough to know that libertarianism is a ridiculous concept that falls flat on it's face under any rigorous intellectual and factual examination.

At least that branch or sect of the MRM might be construed to have more than a few passing similarities to some radfems in their “refusal to acknowlege … human nature”, aka, the influence of genetics on our psychology. Curiouser and curiouser ….

That comment section, especially phil, is priceless. I even had to poke at him a bit.

[AndrewV69]

Wooly Bumblebee chides MRM for not addressing political divide within. Expresses opinion of libertarianism similar to that seen at FtB, but does so in full sentences, presenting her argument, without calling anyone a fucktard.

It's at WB's blog, titled "Why the Men's Rights Movement will fail" - will be interesting to see what response she gets. (I'm on phone, hard to post the link)

Here ya go:

http://www.woolybumblebee.com/apps/blog ... -will-fail

[rayshul]

Libertarians. They're definitely a thing.

I like their ideas on individual rights. But you're a motherfucking moron if you think private companies can replicate a country's infrastructure.

[Skep tickle]

WB also tweeted a link to AVfM article about a lawsuit being filed by a men's group against draft registration in the US claiming sex discrimination (esp given recent decision to let women into combat roles). Asks for gender equity, either men & women both have to register, or neither has to register.

FtB/Skepchick/A+ are bound to agree, dontcha think?

Why a men's group? I thought feminism was for men too equality?

Oh and BTW; Called it: [subman video]

Indeed you did.

The reason it's a men's group is those misgynistic MRA's just want to oppress women. It's feminists who seek equality, by definition, case closed, discussion over, and if you disagree you're an anti-feminist. I learned that over at Pharyngula. ;)

[Submariner]

Libertarians. They're definitely a thing.

I like their ideas on individual rights. But you're a motherfucking moron if you think private companies can replicate a country's infrastructure.

Wasn't that attempted as revealed by the documentary "Robocop"?

[Submariner]

@Skeptickle: How are the Camp David talks going?

[Skep tickle]

(considers a joke about the Middle Eastl, looks around for Git first) :D

The team's response to Stephanie's opening statement will probably be posted tomorrow.

[Cunning Punt]

My refutation of Why the Resurrection Is Unbelievable: Dead people don't walk out of a cave two days later.

Now I feel a sudden urge to go over to the mirror to have a look at the person who composed this tour de force.

Thinks: Hmmmm I need a haircut, my hair looks fucking ridiculous.

[Steersman]

<snip>
Interesting article, and quite surprising as it seems that WBB may have found a few flies in the MRM ointment. This in particular is quite interesting:
<snip>
At least that branch or sect of the MRM might be construed to have more than a few passing similarities to some radfems in their “refusal to acknowlege … human nature”, aka, the influence of genetics on our psychology. Curiouser and curiouser ….

That comment section, especially phil, is priceless. I even had to poke at him a bit.

See that; good point about the “no true scotsman” which seems rather typical of a great many movements including feminism, atheism, and skepticism. Looks like the Sufi parable – although it shows up in many other religions – of the blind men and the elephant – has more and more applicability.

But I’m curious: “one of your central texts is a book on individualism written by someone who happily accepted government handouts”? Ayn Rand?

[Lsuoma]

(considers a joke about the Middle Eastl, looks around for Git first) :D

The team's response to Stephanie's opening statement will probably be posted tomorrow.

I'll look for it when I'm done scratching me balls and plaiting me nose hair.







Or maybe not. Seriously folks, this is going NOWHERE IRL.

[Cunning Punt]

Richard Carrier would have a wank, then afterwards praise himself for being such an accomplished lover.

enthusiastic consent every time.

He has gloves that have a picture of his face on them so that he's giving himself a blowjob when he spanks it. Because no one can love carrier better than carrier. His idea of porn is a naked picture of himself.

As long as he doesn't try to talk dirty to himself in that dweebie, hectoring hipster voice. That'd deflate the mood in about 3 seconds.

"You like that, don't you bi...ah fuck it!"

[AndrewV69]

Libertarians. They're definitely a thing.

I like their ideas on individual rights. But you're a motherfucking moron if you think private companies can replicate a country's infrastructure.

Agreed. I think Wooly is worrying about the Libertarians too much.

[Cunning Punt]

I did not find it strange in the least. I was listening to NPR yesterday and some dumb cunt from Salon.com was going on and on about the very sexist culture in the US, and how Obama "knows better". For fuck's sake

fuck, Michelle referred to some top White House official as "handsome".

Here is the quote:
"She is brilliant and she is dedicated and she is tough, and she is exactly what you'd want in anybody who is administering the law, and making sure that everybody is getting a fair shake,

she also happens to be by far the best-looking attorney general in the country - Kamala Harris is here," Obama had said amidst applause. "It's true. Come on,"

She's the ONLY Attorney General in the country. Absolutely nothing wrong with that comment at all. Bloody puritan fucks.

Hmmm. We have an attorney general in WA state: Bob Ferguson. Kamala Harris looks better 'n him to me.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Attorney_General

Every state in the US has an Attorney General. Bend over, Sacha.

[Lsuoma]

Hmmm. We have an attorney general in WA state: Bob Ferguson. Kamala Harris looks better 'n him to me.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Attorney_General

Every state in the US has an Attorney General. Bend over, Sacha.

I was being minimalist.

[zou3gou3]

Is there this much butthurt and flouncing over "gendered" words for radfem speakers of languages that have nouns with gender?

Or is this one of the great joys of the Anglophone world? "My native language doesn't have gendered nouns, so I'm going to randomly assign gender to verbs and nouns in order to maximize outrage."

Spanish has gendered nouns, and I've never seen any SJW or radfem using that particular line of thought. We do have our own problems with gender ideologies, but gendered words are not among them.

There was a certain attempt recently to use both words when referring to people, things like "medicos and medicas" (male doctors and female doctors) or "niños y niñas" (boys and girls), but it didn't gain much traction.

The only thing they got was people to start sharing a Facebook status that explains that in Spanish the male-gendered noun covers both genders, so the double word use was unnecessary. It had a disclaimer saying it didn't mean any disrespect towards women, just the way the language works. That post got both men AND women to say "heh, cool, thanks for posting that, it's good to learn stuff" and that was the end of it.

Maybe being used to a gendered language make people less likely to worry about which gender a word has? After all, both genders get their share of good and bad words (both war and peace are female nouns, while cancer and love are both male nouns).

It's happened in Germany. Every fucking word has now to be in male and female form. So a typical news item sounds like this: "The Chancelloress thanked the voteresses and voters and called on the decisionmakeresses and decisionmakers to support the soldierettes and soldiers. The mayoresses and mayors will get more funding for the teacheresses and teachers."
Puke.

[Parody Accountant]

PZ certainly knows a thing or two about octopus anatomy. The website he links to in 2007 has a lot of posts tagged as 'zoophilia', 'sexploitation', 'octopussy', 'japan'.

http://i.imgur.com/l0rEfuM.png

Anybody find something for '08, '09, '10 etc? Might as well make it a series with a logical progression. As sacha said, he's done this shit for years. At one point, I remember him talking about all the women who keep sending him naughty pictures of themselves (supposedly) in various states of undress with squids / octopuses.

[ConcentratedH2O, OM]

Nate Havens, a known cunt, says this on Meyers's blog:

pseudonymous… a big hearty welcome to you!
But also a tiny, really insignificant warning… you are surrounded by science-minded skeptics. Battery acid? That’s sulfuric acid. Read the packages on nearly any food you buy. You’ll find sulfuric acid everywhere.

Does anyone know which foods contain sulfuric acid (stipulation: as an additive, which he is claiming)?

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ent-598074

[Skep tickle]

FWIW, from Jan 5, 2012: http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... -critique/, where the criticism expressed of the treatment of tentacle porn in Japanese cartoons was that they got the biological details wrong and/or they didn't make it sensual enough; example of latter quoted here:

The other central feature of the cephalopod are the tentacles, and they’ve been ruined by bad Japanese cartoons, which seem to be entirely by and for teenaged boys who see everything as an extension of their penis. Bad hentai has tentacles erupting and thrusting everywhere, and it’s wrong. Tentacles don’t thrust, they insinuate. They grasp, they fondle. Tentacles are not a penis analogue, but an exotic combination of fingers and tongues. Hokusai got it right, but everything since has been downhill. I see tentacle dildos, I see someone who has missed the point.

[Skep tickle]

Nate Havens, a known cunt, says this on Meyers's blog:

pseudonymous… a big hearty welcome to you!
But also a tiny, really insignificant warning… you are surrounded by science-minded skeptics. Battery acid? That’s sulfuric acid. Read the packages on nearly any food you buy. You’ll find sulfuric acid everywhere.

Does anyone know which foods contain sulfuric acid (stipulation: as an additive, which he is claiming)?

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ent-598074

I haven't noticed it on food labels, but it's listed in government-approved food additives in a quick search (see E513 about half-way down the page in the UK list here). Looks (from other brief mentions on various pages) it would be used as an "acidity regulator" meaning added to a food (or drink) with to bring the pH down.

Sulfuric acid is H2SO4. It's dangerous because it's a strong acid; dilute it enough and/or add it to something basic and voila that danger is gone. The sulfate [(SO4)2-, can't see a way to do subscripts or superscripts] is not inherently dangerous, people ingest stuff with "sulfates" all the time (including ferrous sulfate as an iron supplement and glucosamine sulfate as a supplement that may help osteoarthritis), and sulfate is normally produced (I think) and found (definitely; necessarily, in fact) in the body (see, for example, this abstract on renal sulfate handling).

[sacha]

Sacha, Kamala Harris is the CA Attorney General - Eric Holder is still US Attorney General - or am I behind the times?

(Eric Holder is a hunk IMO)

haha! I'm blond

[Skep tickle]

Women in Secularism conference schedule is up: http://womeninsecularism.org/schedule.html

Glancing at it - Ron Lindsay gives the opening remarks on Friday, & after that all the speakers are female, including the panel discussion on "Gender Equality in the Secular Movement". If I were to be a fly on the wall for one session, I'd pick R. Elisabeth Cornwell on "Who Speaks for Feminism?", or possibly Amanda Marcotte on "How Feminism Makes Better Skeptics: The Role Rationality Plays in Ending Sexism".

[sacha]

Every state in the US has an Attorney General. Bend over, Sacha.

hahaha!

[rayshul]

Having recently rewatched Thunderf00t's video, I have to say I missed originally his point about the fact that the target market for atheists is religious people - not minority atheists. That's where atheism is going to do good.

Libertarians. They're definitely a thing.

I like their ideas on individual rights. But you're a motherfucking moron if you think private companies can replicate a country's infrastructure.

Agreed. I think Wooly is worrying about the Libertarians too much.

I don't, really. It's the same problem we've got with the atheism/skeptic community - don't dilute the message by sticking in politics people will object to.

[Tony Parsehole]

Sorry to * chide* you again but that should be DELIBERATE tour de force....

Stop harassing me. I am shaking and crying right now. (I don't even know how I can type in this condition, but somehow I can manage.) Just stop.

Haha! Jan Steen is even more hilarious with words than with P'shops. How is this possible?

((((rapehugs)))) if you want them.

He's like a Swiss army knife of humour...or something.

[Tony Parsehole]

Is "Tour de force" the new "Hard to say"?

It's definitely meme worthy but I think Carrier's inclusion of the prefix "deliberate" makes it at least 10X more arrogant and therefore funnier.

This comment was a *deliberate tour de force*. You may be thinking if it's tour de forciness was accidental but no. It was deliberate.

[Skep tickle]

Having recently rewatched Thunderf00t's video, I have to say I missed originally his point about the fact that the target market for atheists is religious people - not minority atheists. That's where atheism is going to do good. ...

Yeah, I too thought he had a good point there.

And the reason that came up is because - after the initial blather about being the moral atheists - Carrier promoted Atheism+ as appealing to women and minorities, as the way to grow atheism in order to get more people to pay dues & conference fees. Came across as mercenary & exploitative to me, but perhaps that's just because I am, as should be obvious, an immoral person. :roll:

[rayshul]

Is "Tour de force" the new "Hard to say"?

It's definitely meme worthy but I think Carrier's inclusion of the prefix "deliberate" makes it at least 10X more arrogant and therefore funnier.

This comment was a *deliberate tour de force*. You may be thinking if it's tour de forciness was accidental but no. It was deliberate.

May I recommend a new hashtag: #deliberatetourdeforce

[rayshul]

Having recently rewatched Thunderf00t's video, I have to say I missed originally his point about the fact that the target market for atheists is religious people - not minority atheists. That's where atheism is going to do good. ...

Yeah, I too thought he had a good point there.

And the reason that came up is because - after the initial blather about being the moral atheists - Carrier promoted Atheism+ as appealing to women and minorities, as the way to grow atheism in order to get more people to pay dues & conference fees. Came across as mercenary & exploitative to me, but perhaps that's just because I am, as should be obvious, an immoral person. :roll:

Do minorities have any money, though? I assumed they were too busy being in jail or taking drugs. And women obviously don't go to conferences because of their vaginas.

[Tony Parsehole]

Is "Tour de force" the new "Hard to say"?

It's definitely meme worthy but I think Carrier's inclusion of the prefix "deliberate" makes it at least 10X more arrogant and therefore funnier.

This comment was a *deliberate tour de force*. You may be thinking if it's tour de forciness was accidental but no. It was deliberate.

May I recommend a new hashtag: #deliberatetourdeforce

If I was a Twitter user I would cane that hashtag to buggery.

[Tony Parsehole]

#deliberatetourdeforce

Use it when you want to blow your own trumpet or when you write an excellent comment.

[Steersman]

Having recently rewatched Thunderf00t's video, I have to say I missed originally his point about the fact that the target market for atheists is religious people - not minority atheists. That's where atheism is going to do good.

Libertarians. They're definitely a thing.

I like their ideas on individual rights. But you're a motherfucking moron if you think private companies can replicate a country's infrastructure.

Agreed. I think Wooly is worrying about the Libertarians too much.

I don't, really. It's the same problem we've got with the atheism/skeptic community - don't dilute the message by sticking in politics people will object to.

Seems to me that as soon as one argues that a particular set of beliefs or values are wrong, and attempt to make social changes that limit the scope of those beliefs, and to promote or advance others, then you’re into the realm of politics. Which then raises a whole bunch of questions related to various practical details of implementations, with means and ends. Which then opens up the whole can of worms of various political, moral, and psychological philosophies.

In passing, I noticed several discussions – Dillahunty’s YouTube video at the American Atheist’s Convention, and “idoubtit’s” comments on it from the perspective of skepticism – on various splinterings and “rifts” in those movements and related ones. Seems to me that there is some evidence of everyone riding off madly in all directions due, in no small measure, to a lack of an encompassing and unifying vision. Happened to notice that the American Humanists have several useful “manifestos” (I & II) that might do as a starting point ….

[Dick Strawkins]

Richard Carrier is the seven times consecutive winner of the 'Tour de Force'.

He's like the Lance Armstrong of atheism.

BTW, that joke was a #deliberatetourdeforce

[Tony Parsehole]

Wasn't Carrier stripped of his Tour de Force titles after it was found he was taking douche-enhancing drugs?

#deliberatetourdeforce

[Dick Strawkins]

Wasn't Carrier stripped of his Tour de Force titles after it was found he was taking douche-enhancing drugs?

#deliberatetourdeforce

He refused to be tested.
He hates anyone taking the piss.
:rimshot:
#deliberatetourdeforce

[AndrewV69]

Having recently rewatched Thunderf00t's video, I have to say I missed originally his point about the fact that the target market for atheists is religious people - not minority atheists. That's where atheism is going to do good.

Libertarians. They're definitely a thing.

I like their ideas on individual rights. But you're a motherfucking moron if you think private companies can replicate a country's infrastructure.

Agreed. I think Wooly is worrying about the Libertarians too much.

I don't, really. It's the same problem we've got with the atheism/skeptic community - don't dilute the message by sticking in politics people will object to.

Seems to me that as soon as one argues that a particular set of beliefs or values are wrong, and attempt to make social changes that limit the scope of those beliefs, and to promote or advance others, then you’re into the realm of politics. Which then raises a whole bunch of questions related to various practical details of implementations, with means and ends. Which then opens up the whole can of worms of various political, moral, and psychological philosophies.

In passing, I noticed several discussions – Dillahunty’s YouTube video at the American Atheist’s Convention, and “idoubtit’s” comments on it from the perspective of skepticism – on various splinterings and “rifts” in those movements and related ones. Seems to me that there is some evidence of everyone riding off madly in all directions due, in no small measure, to a lack of an encompassing and unifying vision. Happened to notice that the American Humanists have several useful “manifestos” (I & II) that might do as a starting point ….

I agree that introducing the political will dilute the message. As a matter of fact though from what I have seen the Libertarians are a small minority. I do not see them taking over. We have Left and Right wingers, Christians and Aethists in the mix. They are outnumbered by every other faction.

Where was Woolly when we had the White Nationalists show up? She would have freaked out I suppose. Anyway, the last WN left well over a year ago but they are still around. I know this because I still have one on my RSS feed.

[Parody Accountant]

Wasn't Carrier stripped of his Tour de Force titles after it was found he was taking douche-enhancing drugs?

#deliberatetourdeforce

He refused to be tested.
He hates anyone taking the piss.
:rimshot:
#deliberatetourdeforce

:clap:

[Dick Strawkins]

I see that Non Stamp Collector is bailing out of FTB.

He never seemed to understand the problems people had with Myers and that is reflected in his resignation post. He suggests however, that two sides of the feminist debate have been at fault - a treasonous remark for anyone there to even suggest.

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

*snip*

That comment section, especially phil, is priceless. I even had to poke at him a bit.

I'd just like to clear this out: I am not the "Phil" in the comments there. I have no interest neither in the MRM or in libertarianism.

You can resume your program...

[AndrewV69]

*snip*

That comment section, especially phil, is priceless. I even had to poke at him a bit.

I'd just like to clear this out: I am not the "Phil" in the comments there. I have no interest neither in the MRM or in libertarianism.

You can resume your program...

Oh? And I suppose you can explain why this has nothing to do with you either?

[youtube]UoZxfY_Lx50[/youtube]

Well?

[Tony Parsehole]

I see that Non Stamp Collector is bailing out of FTB.

He never seemed to understand the problems people had with Myers and that is reflected in his resignation post. He suggests however, that two sides of the feminist debate have been at fault - a treasonous remark for anyone there to even suggest.

NSC bailed from FTB? Great news!
NSC is a really nice guy and it was sad to see him join the dark side.

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

Oh? And I suppose you can explain why this has nothing to do with you either?

[youtube]UoZxfY_Lx50[/youtube]

Well?

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Nothing whatsoever. It's a well known "fact" that the French don't have showers...

[Tony Parsehole]

NSC's departure post was a bit cuntish.

[Guest]

I see that Non Stamp Collector is bailing out of FTB.

He never seemed to understand the problems people had with Myers and that is reflected in his resignation post. He suggests however, that two sides of the feminist debate have been at fault - a treasonous remark for anyone there to even suggest.

bailing on things in general, including his videos (at least to a more restrained output)

spends some time slagging on "anti-ftb" (amusing to note, no one he quotes is of the slymepit), but i'm sure some will still jump on his use of "cat-fight" as some "not getting it" gendered insult to slough off any criticism leveled at "their side" of the kerfuffle, in some "false equivalence" way, which is to say whenever anyone makes any criticism whatsoever

[JackSkeptic]

I see that Non Stamp Collector is bailing out of FTB.

He never seemed to understand the problems people had with Myers and that is reflected in his resignation post. He suggests however, that two sides of the feminist debate have been at fault - a treasonous remark for anyone there to even suggest.

bailing on things in general, including his videos (at least to a more restrained output)

spends some time slagging on "anti-ftb" (amusing to note, no one he quotes is of the slymepit), but i'm sure some will still jump on his use of "cat-fight" as some "not getting it" gendered insult to slough off any criticism leveled at "their side" of the kerfuffle, in some "false equivalence" way, which is to say whenever anyone makes any criticism whatsoever

As said earlier I think some live in their own bubbles. It takes a lot of time and effort to follow what is going on and know the precise issues. Carrier's cluelessness is a symptom of that and people like Watson exploit it all the way.

[Apples]

I see that Non Stamp Collector is bailing out of FTB.

He never seemed to understand the problems people had with Myers and that is reflected in his resignation post. He suggests however, that two sides of the feminist debate have been at fault - a treasonous remark for anyone there to even suggest.

bailing on things in general, including his videos (at least to a more restrained output)

spends some time slagging on "anti-ftb" (amusing to note, no one he quotes is of the slymepit), but i'm sure some will still jump on his use of "cat-fight" as some "not getting it" gendered insult to slough off any criticism leveled at "their side" of the kerfuffle, in some "false equivalence" way, which is to say whenever anyone makes any criticism whatsoever

LeftSidePositive is first to comment:

"Also, keep in mind: there is NOTHING that feminists could do better to prevent the avalanche of hate we get. Remember how Elevatorgate started? It was 'Guys, don’t do that.' How much more primly could we possibly conduct ourselves?"

I know, right? The remarkable thing about Watson, LSP, and co. is the "primness" with which they conduct themselves.

SallyStrange plucks her single-string banjo: "Good luck. I’ll look out for your videos. Maybe try making one about the obviously fucked up things the Bible says about men, women, and gender roles sometime, eh?"

[Tony Parsehole]

Is LeftSidePositive trolling? LSP whinging about all the hate she receives is like a serial killer moaning about having to wash blood out of his clothes.

[Apples]

Oh, and there's this poe-ish comment:

All the anti A+ cunts* can go jump off a cliff for all I care. A+ will continue to rise and rise and nobody can stop it’s inexorable march onwards crushing all the douches underneath it’s gleaming wheels of social justice!
I am sorry you are leaving NSC as you are a wonderful writer and an excellent addition to atheism and feminism.

* As a a wheelchair using black female I feel I am allowed to use this word as and when I see fit.

[Apples]

Is LeftSidePositive trolling? LSP whinging about all the hate she receives is like a serial killer moaning about having to wash blood out of his clothes.

Well, the way she constructs her comment is subtle -- actually, Rebecca's manner (like Zvan's) is actually often "prim" - while she is accusing a mild critic of "parroting misogynistic thought" or suggesting that most people are rapists. But she's got bulldogs like Marilove and LSP, whom she allows to rant and spit venom for a few dozen comments (and if anyone complains, she'll admit the tone was "problematic," but moderation is such hard work (on a site getting a total of maybe 20 comments a day on non-controversial threads).

[Eskarina]

Is there this much butthurt and flouncing over "gendered" words for radfem speakers of languages that have nouns with gender?

Or is this one of the great joys of the Anglophone world? "My native language doesn't have gendered nouns, so I'm going to randomly assign gender to verbs and nouns in order to maximize outrage."

Spanish has gendered nouns, and I've never seen any SJW or radfem using that particular line of thought. We do have our own problems with gender ideologies, but gendered words are not among them.

There was a certain attempt recently to use both words when referring to people, things like "medicos and medicas" (male doctors and female doctors) or "niños y niñas" (boys and girls), but it didn't gain much traction.

The only thing they got was people to start sharing a Facebook status that explains that in Spanish the male-gendered noun covers both genders, so the double word use was unnecessary. It had a disclaimer saying it didn't mean any disrespect towards women, just the way the language works. That post got both men AND women to say "heh, cool, thanks for posting that, it's good to learn stuff" and that was the end of it.

Maybe being used to a gendered language make people less likely to worry about which gender a word has? After all, both genders get their share of good and bad words (both war and peace are female nouns, while cancer and love are both male nouns).

It's happened in Germany. Every fucking word has now to be in male and female form. So a typical news item sounds like this: "The Chancelloress thanked the voteresses and voters and called on the decisionmakeresses and decisionmakers to support the soldierettes and soldiers. The mayoresses and mayors will get more funding for the teacheresses and teachers."
Puke.

If it were only as simple as that, fellow posteress or poster. The invasion of the Binnen-i and gender neutral terms has really fucked up the German language, my dear Mitposter/in or Mitpostender. ;)

And now we can have a dispute about whether to leave off the slash and/or the hyphen or use a capitalised I. I went through all of that and barely escaped alive.

[Tony Parsehole]

Sundays on the Pit...
*tumbleweeds*

[Apples]

WB also tweeted a link to AVfM article about a lawsuit being filed by a men's group against draft registration in the US claiming sex discrimination (esp given recent decision to let women into combat roles). Asks for gender equity, either men & women both have to register, or neither has to register.

FtB/Skepchick/FtB are bound to agree, dontcha think?

I doubt they'd take the position that men should have to register and women shouldn't. The pacifist-lefties will suggest abolishing selective service, and the rest, if pressed, will say, go ahead and include women. One gets the impression that most of them don't give much of a shit about minor details like wars and national defense when they've got important issues to deal with, like Japanese fetish-porn or someone's saying "chide" on the internet.

[Humphrey_Hedgehog]

I see that Non Stamp Collector is bailing out of FTB.

He never seemed to understand the problems people had with Myers and that is reflected in his resignation post. He suggests however, that two sides of the feminist debate have been at fault - a treasonous remark for anyone there to even suggest.

NSC: "I hope both sides can see that it’s not only the “other” side who is at fault, and I hope that it gets well and truly sorted out very soon."

I like NSC's videos but on this point he is an idiot. I suspect he was wearing his Stockholme Syndrome specs when he wrote it. obviously NSC is too dumb to notice that only *one* small bunch of wackos want to impose a political ideology onto *all* atheists (including you NSC).

One of the fundamental flaws in the arguments of those professing to be staying out of this skirmish is that of the 1 billion or so atheists around the world there are many sides. Indeed, there are many sides in America alone. It's a bit like saying the following football (soccer, if you must) match has 'both sides' involved:

Real Madrid and Barcelona and Manchester United and Bayern Munich and Arsenal and Juventus

Vs.

Scunthorpe Utd Ladies (2nd XII reserves)

Yet, so often the 'neutrals' (which I suspect most of them really aren't) paint it as Barcelona Vs. Real Madrid.

In global percentage terms A+/FTBollocks is essentially non-existant, but to hear NSC and other 'neutrals' speak you'd think this was some kind of global atheist schism with half a billion on one side and half a billion on the other!

Please, so called 'sideliners', if you don't want to apply rational thought to what you see then please do what you claim to be doing. Keep the fuck out of the argument or admit that, no matter how you try to squirm your way out of it, you actually play for Scunthorpe Ladies (2nd XII reserves).

PS: If you've never heard of it you might want to 'Google' Scunthorpe - or you might not.

[jakegittes]

As a sexist, misogynist pig, what really offends me about Obama's "best looking attorney general" comment is that he clearly hasn't seen Florida's AG: Pam Bondi. I'd sure like to go Shakesville all over her lived experience, if you know what I mean. She can chide me any day.

[AnonymousCowherd]

One of the fundamental flaws in the arguments of those professing to be staying out of this skirmish is that of the 1 billion or so atheists around the world there are many sides. Indeed, there are many sides in America alone. It's a bit like saying the following football (soccer, if you must) match has 'both sides' involved:

Real Madrid and Barcelona and Manchester United and Bayern Munich and Arsenal and Juventus

Vs.

Scunthorpe Utd Ladies (2nd XII reserves)

Yet, so often the 'neutrals' (which I suspect most of them really aren't) paint it as Barcelona Vs. Real Madrid.

In global percentage terms A+/FTBollocks is essentially non-existant, but to hear NSC and other 'neutrals' speak you'd think this was some kind of global atheist schism with half a billion on one side and half a billion on the other!

Please, so called 'sideliners', if you don't want to apply rational thought to what you see then please do what you claim to be doing. Keep the fuck out of the argument or admit that, no matter how you try to squirm your way out of it, you actually play for Scunthorpe Ladies (2nd XII reserves).

PS: If you've never heard of it you might want to 'Google' Scunthorpe - or you might not.

I saw what you did there.

[rayshul]

Oh, and there's this poe-ish comment:

All the anti A+ cunts* can go jump off a cliff for all I care. A+ will continue to rise and rise and nobody can stop it’s inexorable march onwards crushing all the douches underneath it’s gleaming wheels of social justice!
I am sorry you are leaving NSC as you are a wonderful writer and an excellent addition to atheism and feminism.

* As a a wheelchair using black female I feel I am allowed to use this word as and when I see fit.

She got a PASS? She got a CUNT PASS???!

WHERE DO WE ALL GET OUR CUNT PASSES?!?!!?

HOW MANY TOTALLY-NOT-PRIVILEGEd POINTS DO YOU NEED TO GET A CUNT PASS?!?!!?!?

Can we buy them?!?!!?

OMFG!!!

WE COULD SOLVE THIS WHOLE BAD WERDZ DILHEMMA REALLY FUCKING QUICKLY!!!!

THANKS PINK WHATEVER THE FUCK, YOU BRILLIANT CUNT!!!!

[rayshul]

As said earlier I think some live in their own bubbles. It takes a lot of time and effort to follow what is going on and know the precise issues. Carrier's cluelessness is a deliberate tour de force and people like Watson exploit it all the way.

FTFY

[AnonymousCowherd]

Is there this much butthurt and flouncing over "gendered" words for radfem speakers of languages that have nouns with gender?

Or is this one of the great joys of the Anglophone world? "My native language doesn't have gendered nouns, so I'm going to randomly assign gender to verbs and nouns in order to maximize outrage."

Spanish has gendered nouns, and I've never seen any SJW or radfem using that particular line of thought. We do have our own problems with gender ideologies, but gendered words are not among them.

There was a certain attempt recently to use both words when referring to people, things like "medicos and medicas" (male doctors and female doctors) or "niños y niñas" (boys and girls), but it didn't gain much traction.

The only thing they got was people to start sharing a Facebook status that explains that in Spanish the male-gendered noun covers both genders, so the double word use was unnecessary. It had a disclaimer saying it didn't mean any disrespect towards women, just the way the language works. That post got both men AND women to say "heh, cool, thanks for posting that, it's good to learn stuff" and that was the end of it.

Maybe being used to a gendered language make people less likely to worry about which gender a word has? After all, both genders get their share of good and bad words (both war and peace are female nouns, while cancer and love are both male nouns).

It's happened in Germany. Every fucking word has now to be in male and female form. So a typical news item sounds like this: "The Chancelloress thanked the voteresses and voters and called on the decisionmakeresses and decisionmakers to support the soldierettes and soldiers. The mayoresses and mayors will get more funding for the teacheresses and teachers."
Puke.

If it were only as simple as that, fellow posteress or poster. The invasion of the Binnen-i and gender neutral terms has really fucked up the German language, my dear Mitposter/in or Mitpostender. ;)

And now we can have a dispute about whether to leave off the slash and/or the hyphen or use a capitalised I. I went through all of that and barely escaped alive.

On the internet at least, your way is clear:
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefo ... i-be-gone/

Interesting that German (with "gendered" nouns) makes something "gender neutral" by including both male and female endings, and English goes for dropping the "gendered" ending ("poet" is much more common now than "poetess") or using the male version (e.g actor, for both sexes). Silly really since most (though not all, of course) of the reason for linguistic "gender" is syntactic, not semantic. Not that words in themselves are "gendered" in anything like the feminist sense.

I guess you could always come over to the dark side by making everything "das" and dropping all that der/den/dem/des etc stuff. Hasn't done English any harm, and our feminists get to define any word as gendered without bothering with all that grammatical nonsense.

[rayshul]

I agree that introducing the political will dilute the message. As a matter of fact though from what I have seen the Libertarians are a small minority. I do not see them taking over. We have Left and Right wingers, Christians and Aethists in the mix. They are outnumbered by every other faction.

Where was Woolly when we had the White Nationalists show up? She would have freaked out I suppose. Anyway, the last WN left well over a year ago but they are still around. I know this because I still have one on my RSS feed.

I suppose that's a bias on her part then, in noticing more libertarians and seeing them as a risk. I assume you've been in the MRM longer than she has, so perhaps she could be reassured by the old "all things are fleeting, internet politics doubly so" tale.

[AndrewV69]

Clearly I have not been following Glenn Greenwald too closely. As it is right now I want to bitch slap that boy into next Sunday.

Islamophobia, Sam Harris and Glenn Greenwald
http://secularright.org/SR/wordpress/is ... greenwald/

One of the more maddening aspects of modern discourse is the attempt to interject the concept of racism into internecine ideological conflicts where it really isn’t appropriate.

Speaking of racism .. WTF is going on here? I need a decoder ring or something.
Has White Male Privilege Run Amok?
http://www.theroot.com/views/has-white- ... k?page=0,0

Challenging Karen Finney's racial identity is just another way of attacking the "tanning" of America.

[AnonymousCowherd]

(considers a joke about the Middle Eastl, looks around for Git first) :D

The team's response to Stephanie's opening statement will probably be posted tomorrow.

Good luck with that. There are so many things wrong with Svan's second statement that any full response looks like it would be much longer than the original. Maybe the whole thing will just grow exponentially and consume all the electrons on the internet before it grinds to a halt.

Honestly, I admire the team's patience and the time and effort you are putting in - but it's hard to see this going anywhere.