If thou gazest long into the Pit, the Pit will also gaze into thee

Pitchguest wrote: I didn't like it at first either, but it grew on me. For instance, he used to make genius comics like these,

http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2896
http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2721
http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2931
http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2987
http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=3022

This next one is one of my favourites (after you've read the comic since the start, it's a really sweet and endearing strip, not to mention it shows a development of the characters)

http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=3099

Since "The Sisterhood" was introduced, their development has instead regressed. Dullsville. Anyway, enough about Sinfest.

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Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls
10 February 2013 at 8:44 am (UTC -6)
Jim never seemed to grasp the difference between dissenting unevidenced opinions, and evidence backed opinions. The former was his total argument. It is the argument for the MRA types. Essentially, “listen to me, me, me; my opinion of me is so great, you should recognize me greatness and agree with what me say.” Argument from ego. It seem to be prevalent among the video crowd and the Slymepitters. This isn’t dissent in the intellectual sense, and falls under Christopher Hitchens “that which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence”.

Intellectual dissent starts with “this is what I believe, and this (link) is the evidence to support this conclusion”. Here Jim failed. He couldn’t come up with the real evidence to support his claims (for example, that the Slymepitters had something cogent, that is supported by evidence, to say and should be listened to), and his constant ego trips “look at and listen to me, me, me” was abrasive. Real evidenced dissent was and is discussed. But there is a certain tiredness on the part of the horde when well refuted nonsense is repeated in tag-team fashion.

cunt wrote:

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Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls
10 February 2013 at 8:44 am (UTC -6)
Jim never seemed to grasp the difference between dissenting unevidenced opinions, and evidence backed opinions. The former was his total argument. It is the argument for the MRA types. Essentially, “listen to me, me, me; my opinion of me is so great, you should recognize me greatness and agree with what me say.” Argument from ego. It seem to be prevalent among the video crowd and the Slymepitters. This isn’t dissent in the intellectual sense, and falls under Christopher Hitchens “that which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence”.

Intellectual dissent starts with “this is what I believe, and this (link) is the evidence to support this conclusion”. Here Jim failed. He couldn’t come up with the real evidence to support his claims (for example, that the Slymepitters had something cogent, that is supported by evidence, to say and should be listened to), and his constant ego trips “look at and listen to me, me, me” was abrasive. Real evidenced dissent was and is discussed. But there is a certain tiredness on the part of the horde when well refuted nonsense is repeated in tag-team fashion.

Nerd Of Redhead, in all sincerity asked noelplum99 to evidence his claim that he'd (noel) previously rejected the position that, I dunno, "bitches aren't shit", or something. When provided with video evidence, Nerd flat out refused to watch it and demanded a peer reviewed study. Hypothesis, he's an absolute fucking cunt.

hyperdeath wrote:Despite mathematics being in this subforum's remit, we've had very little of it. Therefore...

Which equations or identities* do you find most interesting:

I'm fascinated by the Navier-Stokes equation:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/4/f/e/ ... dd5e66.png
It's basically force = mass x acceleration for a continuous medium, but it allows for so much complexity.

*I just know that someone's going to bring up that e, pi, i, 1 and 0 thing, which is technically an identity.

decius wrote:Fucking Finland. Great people, but the climate kills me. After a few years there I went into full-fledged depression, which lifted only when I moved out.

Apples wrote:In which hyperdeath probably overestimates the intelligence of his flock:

hyperdeath wrote:Despite mathematics being in this subforum's remit, we've had very little of it. Therefore...

Which equations or identities* do you find most interesting:

I'm fascinated by the Navier-Stokes equation:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/4/f/e/ ... dd5e66.png
It's basically force = mass x acceleration for a continuous medium, but it allows for so much complexity.

*I just know that someone's going to bring up that e, pi, i, 1 and 0 thing, which is technically an identity.

No responses yet from the resident social justice brainiacs. I'm particularly interested to know what Setar and Grimalkin have to say about this, since the Navier–Stokes equations describe the motion of [gender]fluid substances.

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=3920

ShadowOfTheWickerman wrote:
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cunt wrote:Three Word Phrase, Perry Bible Fellowship and sometimes Achewood. <- good webcomics

bhoytony wrote:

Pitchguest wrote: I didn't like it at first either, but it grew on me. For instance, he used to make genius comics like these,

http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2896
http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2721
http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2931
http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2987
http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=3022

This next one is one of my favourites (after you've read the comic since the start, it's a really sweet and endearing strip, not to mention it shows a development of the characters)

http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=3099

Since "The Sisterhood" was introduced, their development has instead regressed. Dullsville. Anyway, enough about Sinfest.

Ugh! Those were so cheesy I almost boaked.

Gefan wrote:

decius wrote:Fucking Finland. Great people, but the climate kills me. After a few years there I went into full-fledged depression, which lifted only when I moved out.

Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:LICD, LFG, C&H, Oglaf, XKCD...

Jan Steen wrote:PZ Myers (paraphrased): The teachings of Chairman Mao are irrefutable. Those who come here to argue with these teachings are fascist scum who will be taken care of by the Red Guards.

Apples wrote:In which hyperdeath probably overestimates the intelligence of his flock:

hyperdeath wrote:Despite mathematics being in this subforum's remit, we've had very little of it. Therefore...

Which equations or identities* do you find most interesting:

I'm fascinated by the Navier-Stokes equation:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/4/f/e/ ... dd5e66.png
It's basically force = mass x acceleration for a continuous medium, but it allows for so much complexity.

*I just know that someone's going to bring up that e, pi, i, 1 and 0 thing, which is technically an identity.

No responses yet from the resident social justice brainiacs. I'm particularly interested to know what Setar and Grimalkin have to say about this, since the Navier–Stokes equations describe the motion of [gender]fluid substances.

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=3920

jimthepleb wrote:Dawkins under fire for describing a woman as histrionic.
:o
https://twitter.com/RichardDawkins/stat ... 3713736704
bad richard :naughty:

Marcos Caceres ‏@marcosc

@ActuaryByDay @swanderyck how does her being a woman add any information?
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Richard Dawkins ‏@RichardDawkins

@vix_lamb Oh PLEASE. It wasn't BECAUSE she was a woman. She HAPPENED to be a woman. Should I have called her a man, lest I be called sexist?

Gumby wrote:Really, the key to PZ's ramblings is this:

PZ said:

There are no rational grounds, no context for reasonable dissent, for being anti-feminist, for instance, or denying that our culture is deeply patriarchal and sexist. ... Because really, how do you express “reasonable dissent” from the view that women are people, and that our society institutionalizes discrimination of all sorts?

:doh:

So, PZ, you are saying that there can be NO reasonable dissent, because you consider anyone not in line with your views to be "anti-feminist" (ABSOLUTELY NOT FUCKING TRUE), and in your view if anyone thinks that there's as not as much patriarchal sexism in (presumably U.S.) culture as you amp it up to be, they are being "unreasonable". Really? Everything is that black-and-white to you? Also, dumbfuck cultist, people who disagree with you DO NOT THINK WOMEN AREN'T PEOPLE.

http://transitionculture.org/wp-content ... awman1.jpg

Altair wrote:

Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:LICD, LFG, C&H, Oglaf, XKCD...

SMBC is good too.

jimthepleb wrote:Dawkins under fire for describing a woman as histrionic.
:o
https://twitter.com/RichardDawkins/stat ... 3713736704
bad richard :naughty:

AbsurdWalls wrote:Might be misremembering this, but would that be the same hyperdeath who straight-up banned somebody for trying to correct his shitty understanding of mathematics?

AbsurdWalls wrote:

Apples wrote:In which hyperdeath probably overestimates the intelligence of his flock:

hyperdeath wrote:Despite mathematics being in this subforum's remit, we've had very little of it. Therefore...

Which equations or identities* do you find most interesting:

I'm fascinated by the Navier-Stokes equation:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/4/f/e/ ... dd5e66.png
It's basically force = mass x acceleration for a continuous medium, but it allows for so much complexity.

*I just know that someone's going to bring up that e, pi, i, 1 and 0 thing, which is technically an identity.

No responses yet from the resident social justice brainiacs. I'm particularly interested to know what Setar and Grimalkin have to say about this, since the Navier–Stokes equations describe the motion of [gender]fluid substances.

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=3920

Might be misremembering this, but would that be the same hyperdeath who straight-up banned somebody for trying to correct his shitty understanding of mathematics? < CORRECTION, DIFFERENT MOD

Relevant

AbsurdWalls wrote: Might be misremembering this, but would that be the same hyperdeath who straight-up banned somebody for trying to correct his shitty understanding of mathematics?

Richard Dworkins wrote:I wouldn't waste my time if I were you unless you are a fan of deliberately abstruse dry literary critique.

Having made that observation, he turns to the notion that words must themselves have fathers. (This is the notion that he is discussing at the top of page 77.) Before long, he returns to Socrates, noting Socrates's claim that the relationship between spoken words and their "fathers" is more direct, more immediate, than the "miserable" relationship between written texts and their authors (77). (To see Socrates is getting at, just consider the differences between a lecture and a handout like this one. See why Socrates might liken the handout to an orphan? Its "father" is nowhere to be found. While it's struggling to be understood, he's home watching SportsCenter.)

"No. Nothing so crude as that. You would be dismayed, Esmi, to know the way caprice and vanity distort the intellect. Men ever cast themselves into labyrinths of thinking, not to lose themselves in the pursuit of truth, but to hide their self-interest in subtleties and so make noble their crassest desires. Thus does avarice become charity, and vengeance, justice."
~ The White-Luck Warrior by R. Scott Bakker

Richard Dworkins wrote: It was indeed a reference to Athena but nothing more that as a reference to the kind of Goddess worship which is the opposite of a Priapic Cult, but equally as obsessed about their genitals.

Submariner wrote:

Gumby wrote:Really, the key to PZ's ramblings is this:

PZ said:

There are no rational grounds, no context for reasonable dissent, for being anti-feminist, for instance, or denying that our culture is deeply patriarchal and sexist. ... Because really, how do you express “reasonable dissent” from the view that women are people, and that our society institutionalizes discrimination of all sorts?

:doh:

So, PZ, you are saying that there can be NO reasonable dissent, because you consider anyone not in line with your views to be "anti-feminist" (ABSOLUTELY NOT FUCKING TRUE), and in your view if anyone thinks that there's as not as much patriarchal sexism in (presumably U.S.) culture as you amp it up to be, they are being "unreasonable". Really? Everything is that black-and-white to you? Also, dumbfuck cultist, people who disagree with you DO NOT THINK WOMEN AREN'T PEOPLE.

http://transitionculture.org/wp-content ... awman1.jpg

Actually, PZ and his troop (pride, gaggle, herd?) are arguing that women are superior to people or that non-women are not people.

1. Don't threaten and/or harass women. I'm just going to talk about threats for brevity here. "Threats" seem to have a different meaning than I'm used to. "I'm know where you live and I'm going to beat the shit out of you" is a threat. "Someone should kick your ass" is not a treat. Most of the so called "rape threats" have been of the later variety, ie "somone should rape you". So if we use FfTB criteria for what constitutes a threat, the many (apparently acceptable ) threats of violence against men " Die in a fire" type comments, imply that either threatening people (men) is OK, or that men aren't people and can thus be threatened with impunity.

2. Listen to the women. When people (men) bring a claim, they are required to provide evidence of the claim and then the evidence is weighed to determine if it meets the criteria of sound evidence, and if it supports the claim as the claimant says it does. When women bring a claim and evidence is asked for, shouts of misogyny and listen to the women deride the person asking for evidence. So either some people don't need evidence, just a personal feeling (special people), or men have a different burden of evidence because they are not people.

It's what many have been saying for a long time PZ, and it is summed up quite nicely by the pit's new motto: The Radical Notion That Women Are People AND Adults. You don't get to have one without the other.

Someone please help me find the FTB violence archive to annotate this post.

There is a food factory in Ireland that produces a variety of meat products. Two of those are:

1) "beef" burgers, which are 75% of the factory's output
2) "beef" lasagnes, which are 15% of the factory's output

The output of the factory is tested by the food standards agency. Recently there has been a wave of products which were contaminated by horse meat. Of the contaminated products found, 60% were burgers and 20% were lasagnes. Assuming that every product is tested and that those tests are 100% effective, what is the probability of each product containing horse meat?

jimthepleb wrote:Dawkins under fire for describing a woman as histrionic.
:o
https://twitter.com/RichardDawkins/stat ... 3713736704
bad richard :naughty:

jimthepleb wrote:Dawkins under fire for describing a woman as histrionic.
:o
https://twitter.com/RichardDawkins/stat ... 3713736704
bad richard :naughty:

Zenspace wrote:

jimthepleb wrote:Dawkins under fire for describing a woman as histrionic.
:o
https://twitter.com/RichardDawkins/stat ... 3713736704
bad richard :naughty:

Fortunately, the lone idiot gets good pushback from the bulk of the other tweeters (?). The silly (derailing!) protest comes from a guy no less. Must be one of them there 'gender traitors' I've heard about.

AbsurdWalls wrote:Ok, so here's a question:

There is a food factory in Ireland that produces a variety of meat products. Two of those are:

1) "beef" burgers, which are 75% of the factory's output
2) "beef" lasagnes, which are 15% of the factory's output

The output of the factory is tested by the food standards agency. Recently there has been a wave of products which were contaminated by horse meat. Of the contaminated products found, 60% were burgers and 20% were lasagnes. Assuming that every product is tested and that those tests are 100% effective, what is the probability of each product containing horse meat?

CommanderTuvok wrote:Ahhhh, McWrong is butthurt. This is usually the Black Svan line about Dawkins being a bit sarcastic or critical in his tweets. Although they can never quite put their finger on what, exactly. Naturally, these are the same people who complain when people examine their tweets.

http://i.imgur.com/gqTtQPk.jpg

As Svan says, McWrong, don't let the pushback get you down. That's why we will continie to monitor and take the shit out of your moronic tweets and views. Works both ways, you stupid wankstain.

AbsurdWalls wrote:Does she not realise tweeting that is passive aggressive, or does she just not care about being a hypocrite?

by Skep tickle » Sun Feb 10, 2013 1:59 am • [Post 16]

mordacious1 wrote:
I thought Renee was promoting breast exam self screening...which is a good thing btw.

While there may be wonderful reasons to palpate the breasts in one's vicinity, breast self-exam (BSE) for screening isn't one of them.

mordacious1 wrote:
You certainly shouldn't take women's health advice from me. I was the one in high school that spread the rumor that swallowing sperm cured acne.

Cunning Punt wrote:On the subject of redheads, I just realized that Renee has the same last name as this lady. Could it be? Are they related?

Git wrote:I believe the canonical text for exposing pomo bollocks is "How To Deconstruct Almost Anything - My Postmodern Adventure" at:

http://www.fudco.com/chip/deconstr.html

written by the legendary (and legendarily named) Chip Morningstar

Have your spots cleared up?

AbsurdWalls wrote:Ok, so here's a question:

There is a food factory in Ireland that produces a variety of meat products. Two of those are:

1) "beef" burgers, which are 75% of the factory's output
2) "beef" lasagnes, which are 15% of the factory's output

The output of the factory is tested by the food standards agency. Recently there has been a wave of products which were contaminated by horse meat. Of the contaminated products found, 60% were burgers and 20% were lasagnes. Assuming that every product is tested and that those tests are 100% effective, what is the probability of each product containing horse meat?

Peezus wrote:

patrickdoyle wrote:While I don’t fully hold the position that he is wrong, it can be legitimately, politely, and rationally argued that our society is not ‘deeply patriarchal and sexist’, or at least not overly so.

I’d call you a Martian for being so oblivious, except that I think a Martian would look at our society and see the dichotomy in mores and behavior between two otherwise relatively indistinguishable bipedal primates as a real and interesting fact of human culture.

May I suggest you acquaint yourself with one obvious example?

http://thisnation.com/congress-facts.html wrote:While the partisan composition of the Congress is fairly close to that of the electorate, there are larger disparities between the Congress and the general citizenry in term of sex and race. In the House, there are currently 362 men and 76 women. In the Senate, there are 17 women and 83 men.

And that’s a recent improvement in equality.

We could also mention that there are NO black senators. Are you going to argue that American society is not deeply racist, too?

Brilliant. Someone has scheduled a “Secular Leaders Summit” in Los Angeles for…May 17th.

(An email is included which ends with the following)

Due to available space we ask you limit your representatives to two per group.

Please save the date, bring your best practices and ideas for the future.

Lunch will be provided.

I like that “please save the date.” Dude (it is a dude), I did save the date. A long time ago. I did save the date, for a conference that’s already scheduled. Save the date yourself, bro. (Hint: there are some secular leaders attending that already-scheduled conference. Quite a few of them.)

This was in a mass emailing from someone I don’t know; I don’t see anything about it online yet. I wonder if they’ll figure it out and change the date. Or perhaps it was deliberate.

cunt wrote:
Nerd Of Redhead, in all sincerity asked noelplum99 to evidence his claim that he'd (noel) previously rejected the position that, I dunno, "bitches aren't shit", or something. When provided with video evidence, Nerd flat out refused to watch it and demanded a peer reviewed study. Hypothesis, he's an absolute fucking cunt.

Apples wrote:PZ pwns a commenter in the NoelPlum thread:

Peezus wrote:

patrickdoyle wrote:While I don’t fully hold the position that he is wrong, it can be legitimately, politely, and rationally argued that our society is not ‘deeply patriarchal and sexist’, or at least not overly so.

I’d call you a Martian for being so oblivious, except that I think a Martian would look at our society and see the dichotomy in mores and behavior between two otherwise relatively indistinguishable bipedal primates as a real and interesting fact of human culture.

May I suggest you acquaint yourself with one obvious example?

http://thisnation.com/congress-facts.html wrote:While the partisan composition of the Congress is fairly close to that of the electorate, there are larger disparities between the Congress and the general citizenry in term of sex and race. In the House, there are currently 362 men and 76 women. In the Senate, there are 17 women and 83 men.

And that’s a recent improvement in equality.

We could also mention that there are NO black senators. Are you going to argue that American society is not deeply racist, too?

Well, actually PZ, I believe there are 77 women in the House and 20 in the Senate, but who cares about being accurate or up-to-date when you're trying to make a point? And Senator Tim Scott looks black to me, but maybe he doesn't count because he's a Republican appointed by Nikki Haley.

Given that 90% of blacks in this country are Democrats and about half the Senate is Republican, according to your theory on the Senate side it's the Democratic Party that is most obviously "deeply racist" -- since they in theory have a much deeper slate of possible candidates -- by a factor of 9 or so. If 1.3% of the country is black Republicans and around 11.7% of the country is black Democrats and you believe there should be proportional representation by race, then you'd expect around one black Republican Senator and at least ten black Democrat Senators. Fun with statistics.

The Martians might also be puzzled that such a 'deeply racist' country just re-elected a black President presiding over one of the weakest economies in living memory.

The thing about PZ is that, even when he has a point, he argues for it so sloppily and poorly that he undermines whatever merits might exist in his position.

BarnOwl wrote:http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p60 ... 2d0d9f.png

Narcissistic assholes and their privileged, indolent, all-expenses-paid conference-attending lifestyles.