If thou gazest long into the Pit, the Pit will also gaze into thee

incognito wrote:In the US, since rather a lot of atheists tenn to be either "far left" (European equivalent of a "Social Democrat") or "far right" (objectivist/libertarian leaning) I guess it makes sense that half of the atheists/irreligious find rather a lot of other atheists/irreligious annoying?

I'm very liberal and I consider the A+ gang to be the right wing of the atheist movement. Right wingers typically are more comfortable with inequality in the system, and who could be happier with inequalities than these folks? They tend to dismiss huge portions of the population as evil, idiotic, racist, sexist, etc., etc., etc. and summarily dismiss them. They literally can't handle criticism, nor are outsiders welcome. Their arguments tend to be based on emotion and "not upsetting" the established order is very, very important to them.

Promoting diversity and equality is an extremely important goal of liberalism. It is probably the most important goal of liberalism. Can anyone say without laughing that Atheism Plus promotes this goal. While they say lots of good things (we promote feminism!, we promote minorities!), in practice they exclude far, far more people than they help, and they are proud of that fact. There is nothing liberal about that.

Corylus wrote:

Submariner wrote:At FTB, Jason T. has a post linking to another post about the differences between gender and equity feminists. One of the things the blogger talks about (other than how fucking evil evo psych is) is that feminism is trying to remove gender roles (specifically in the STEM fields). What they neglect to say is that they are fine with gender roles in the low status/high danger occupations (construction, coal mining, oil derrick work etc.) but the high status/low danger jobs (STEM) well, those gender roles are just patriarchically imposed.

You feminists really want to get rid of gender roles? Start telling women to go into construction jobs, logging, commercial fishing, refuse collection, truck driving, and electrical power line repair.

Hi Submariner - don't think we have chatted :)

Quick question.

I'm wondering whether you consider on the streets law enforcement to be low status/high danger? I ask because women have been joining that for a while now, and they have been getting shot at.

Of course, you might argue that this is actually high danger/high status making it a special case, but then you still have the low status/high danger similar job of female prison guard. Do you think it possible that these jobs should be included in your analysis? If not, why not?

Cheers.

Seems rather obvious that both jobs you mentioned are power differential jobs. In other words they provide the job holder with an instantaneous degree of power over others. While this type of power dynamic has typically been associated with male behavior, I see no reason why females should be expected not to desire power roles once the physical barriers to those positions were removed/lowered.

Oh, and hello,back.

EdwardGemmer wrote:

incognito wrote:In the US, since rather a lot of atheists tenn to be either "far left" (European equivalent of a "Social Democrat") or "far right" (objectivist/libertarian leaning) I guess it makes sense that half of the atheists/irreligious find rather a lot of other atheists/irreligious annoying?

I'm very liberal and I consider the A+ gang to be the right wing of the atheist movement. Right wingers typically are more comfortable with inequality in the system, and who could be happier with inequalities than these folks? They tend to dismiss huge portions of the population as evil, idiotic, racist, sexist, etc., etc., etc. and summarily dismiss them. They literally can't handle criticism, nor are outsiders welcome. Their arguments tend to be based on emotion and "not upsetting" the established order is very, very important to them.

Promoting diversity and equality is an extremely important goal of liberalism. It is probably the most important goal of liberalism. Can anyone say without laughing that Atheism Plus promotes this goal. While they say lots of good things (we promote feminism!, we promote minorities!), in practice they exclude far, far more people than they help, and they are proud of that fact. There is nothing liberal about that.

I think when it comes to any form of extremism using the terms left wing or right wing have little practical use. I am right wing in the UK, left in the US. But my beliefs are far more complex to fit into some generalised position so I avoid it. I am more interested in what someone believes than any label they attach to themselves.

Submariner

Seems rather obvious that both jobs you mentioned are power differential jobs. In other words they provide the job holder with an instantaneous degree of power over others. While this type of power dynamic has typically been associated with male behavior, I see no reason why females should be expected not to desire power roles once the physical barriers to those positions were removed/lowered.

Oh yes, of course they must have access.

My concern was simply that instances where women are actually in workplace danger (danger that they are aware of when signing up) do not get overlooked.

Gefan wrote:I'm curious as to what Herr Ratzinger's resignation does viz his potential claims of sovereign immunity (a defense that has already singularly failed Saddam Hussein and Slobodan Milosovic and was in the process of failing Augusto Pinochet when the grim reaper jumped the line).

I'm sure the papal consigliere has considered this, but it would warm my heart to think that Ratzinger's travel plans for his retirement are severely restricted.

Apparently he is too weak to travel and a monastery is being completed where he will be housed.
The likely scenario would have him sleeping during the daytime in a fancy coffin in the basement of the monastery and at night he will roam around the Vatican drinking the blood of altar boys.

free thoughtpolice wrote:

Gefan wrote:I'm curious as to what Herr Ratzinger's resignation does viz his potential claims of sovereign immunity (a defense that has already singularly failed Saddam Hussein and Slobodan Milosovic and was in the process of failing Augusto Pinochet when the grim reaper jumped the line).

I'm sure the papal consigliere has considered this, but it would warm my heart to think that Ratzinger's travel plans for his retirement are severely restricted.

Apparently he is too weak to travel and a monastery is being completed where he will be housed.
The likely scenario would have him sleeping during the daytime in a fancy coffin in the basement of the monastery and at night he will roam around the Vatican drinking the blood of altar boys.

It's a shame really, he was such an easy target. He couldn't open his mouth without saying something so unconnected with reality it was hard to choose what to attack first.

Corylus wrote:Submariner

Seems rather obvious that both jobs you mentioned are power differential jobs. In other words they provide the job holder with an instantaneous degree of power over others. While this type of power dynamic has typically been associated with male behavior, I see no reason why females should be expected not to desire power roles once the physical barriers to those positions were removed/lowered.

Oh yes, of course they must have access.

My concern was simply that instances where women are actually in workplace danger (danger that they are aware of when signing up) do not get overlooked.

I agree that women can do whatever they want to do and are qualified to do. The point I was making is that feminists go on and on about the STEM gender disparity, but almost never call for more women truck drivers, garbage collectors or commercial fisherpeople.

A common mistake of feminism is only looking to the top rungs of society and making claims about the totality of society by viewing those upper rungs through a gendered lens. That's where "patriarchy" originates. If they look at the bottom rungs of society, all they can say is "well, patriarchy hurts men too" a ridiculous statement under any definition of patriarchy that includes "for the benefit of men".

Corylus wrote:Submariner

Seems rather obvious that both jobs you mentioned are power differential jobs. In other words they provide the job holder with an instantaneous degree of power over others. While this type of power dynamic has typically been associated with male behavior, I see no reason why females should be expected not to desire power roles once the physical barriers to those positions were removed/lowered.

Oh yes, of course they must have access.

My concern was simply that instances where women are actually in workplace danger (danger that they are aware of when signing up) do not get overlooked.

If I may interject, I think the point is not whether women have access to those jobs or whether there are women doing some of those jobs, but whether there is some sort of campaign or pressure from feminist groups to achieve a 50/50 distribution.

There are several campaigns intending to increase the number of women in STEM fields, to achieve a 50/50 distribution in skeptical, atheistic and secular organizations and to have a 50/50 distribution in government.

But I have never seen a feminist organization fighting to have more women in refuse collection, or as garbage truck drivers. It would seem that the 50/50 distribution is only desirable when it's a glamorous well payed job, or when it's a job that's considered important or "cool", like police officer or firefighter.

Ah, Submariner beat me to it.

Altair wrote:Ah, Submariner beat me to it.

I think you said it better, though.

Altair wrote:

Corylus wrote:Submariner

Seems rather obvious that both jobs you mentioned are power differential jobs. In other words they provide the job holder with an instantaneous degree of power over others. While this type of power dynamic has typically been associated with male behavior, I see no reason why females should be expected not to desire power roles once the physical barriers to those positions were removed/lowered.

Oh yes, of course they must have access.

My concern was simply that instances where women are actually in workplace danger (danger that they are aware of when signing up) do not get overlooked.

If I may interject, I think the point is not whether women have access to those jobs or whether there are women doing some of those jobs, but whether there is some sort of campaign or pressure from feminist groups to achieve a 50/50 distribution.

There are several campaigns intending to increase the number of women in STEM fields, to achieve a 50/50 distribution in skeptical, atheistic and secular organizations and to have a 50/50 distribution in government.

But I have never seen a feminist organization fighting to have more women in refuse collection, or as garbage truck drivers. It would seem that the 50/50 distribution is only desirable when it's a glamorous well payed job, or when it's a job that's considered important or "cool", like police officer or firefighter.

Which I find somewhat funny, as in general, the jobs Watson et al would NEVER consider, i.e. "blue collar", seem to have the best work/life separation going. Melissa's dad is an electrician, and I wish I had the ability to just go fishing and shut my phone off for hours at a time. Or have work be something I do from n to m, and then when I go home, it's just something to gripe about.

welch wrote: Which I find somewhat funny, as in general, the jobs Watson et al would NEVER consider, i.e. "blue collar", seem to have the best work/life separation going. Melissa's dad is an electrician, and I wish I had the ability to just go fishing and shut my phone off for hours at a time. Or have work be something I do from n to m, and then when I go home, it's just something to gripe about.

This is true. Which is why I insist on treating IT jobs at the level I play at how they should be: as skilled trades at best.

Submariner

I agree that women can do whatever they want to do and are qualified to do. The point I was making is that feminists go on and on about the STEM gender disparity, but almost never call for more women truck drivers, garbage collectors or commercial fisherpeople.

I understand, of course, however a great deal of that can be attributable to times when the only jobs available to women were either low status or rare - and those rare ones entailing power being mainly other women. For example, a chambermaid* raising to the dizzy heights of housekeeper. The recent main agents of changes have been the two world wars. Woman had to fill the gap in the workforce during these times. It was discovered then that women were (gasp) actually capable of work outside of the home and work that they could participate.

A common mistake of feminism is only looking to the top rungs of society and making claims about the totality of society by viewing those upper rungs through a gendered lens. That's where "patriarchy" originates. If they look at the bottom rungs of society, all they can say is "well, patriarchy hurts men too" a ridiculous statement under any definition of patriarchy that includes "for the benefit of men".

I would argue that is more attributable to a lack of imagination in class analyses. Both men and women have (in the main) been kept in low status jobs - the difference now is that they can mix 'n' match a bit more. Most of us have had to get our hands in the muck in one way or another.

Altair wrote:Ah, Submariner beat me to it.

No worries - please take the above as my answer to you also.

Welch

Which I find somewhat funny, as in general, the jobs Watson et al would NEVER consider, i.e. "blue collar", seem to have the best work/life separation going. Melissa's dad is an electrician, and I wish I had the ability to just go fishing and shut my phone off for hours at a time. Or have work be something I do from n to m, and then when I go home, it's just something to gripe about.

Yes - very often they do have a great life/work balance. I must stress that I was not dissing being a chambermaid above. Helped me get along with my studies when I had that job. It an early morning but an early knock off as well: plus no individuals with absolutely no sodding life to speak of mailing me at 3am.*

Also, I gleamed with health due to the exercise. So, not all bad by any means.

-=-=
*Sore point.

Watching the slimy turd oolon on twitter as he desperately rubs his withered pecker while babbling about his precious fucking bot is...well it's something.

Corylus wrote:
I understand, of course, however a great deal of that can be attributable to times when the only jobs available to women were either low status or rare - and those rare ones entailing power being mainly other women. For example, a chambermaid* raising to the dizzy heights of housekeeper. The recent main agents of changes have been the two world wars. Woman had to fill the gap in the workforce during these times. It was discovered then that women were (gasp) actually capable of work outside of the home and work that they could participate.




I would argue that is more attributable to a lack of imagination in class analyses. Both men and women have (in the main) been kept in low status jobs - the difference now is that they can mix 'n' match a bit more. Most of us have had to get our hands in the muck in one way or another.

IMHO feminism only sees two classes: men and everyone else.

We got a mention in the comments section of Zinnia Jones' blog over at FfTB. She's taking credit for outing an ex-gay charlatan named Michael Moore who was caught on the gay hook-up site Grindr. Apparently some in the commentariat there believe that the pitters would disapprove of such an outing, and caution Zinnia to be careful because as GreatAmericanSatan says: "Slymepitters and Jebus creeps are combing places like this for ways to condemn us. Let’s not give them anything too juicy to nosh on if we can help it."
To which Jafafa Hots replies: "At any rate, it’s really not worth worrying about how slymepitters etc. will twist what we say, or attribute what others have said to us, or attribute what they have said as “sympathetic” sockpuppets to us. They’ll just make things up as usual anyway."
Does anyone here care that a ex-gay hypocrite was outed?

Sorry, I don't know where the green linky lines came from above. Not me guv!

Some entertaining advertising thing I suspect. Oooh. I wonder what will words come up?

Executive?
Agent?
Shop?
Shoes?
Interests?
Vacation?
Dating?
Tips?
CV's?
Labrador porn?

katamari Damassi wrote:We got a mention in the comments section of Zinnia Jones' blog over at FfTB. She's taking credit for outing an ex-gay charlatan named Michael Moore who was caught on the gay hook-up site Grindr. Apparently some in the commentariat there believe that the pitters would disapprove of such an outing, and caution Zinnia to be careful because as GreatAmericanSatan says: "Slymepitters and Jebus creeps are combing places like this for ways to condemn us. Let’s not give them anything too juicy to nosh on if we can help it."
To which Jafafa Hots replies: "At any rate, it’s really not worth worrying about how slymepitters etc. will twist what we say, or attribute what others have said to us, or attribute what they have said as “sympathetic” sockpuppets to us. They’ll just make things up as usual anyway."
Does anyone here care that a ex-gay hypocrite was outed?

Actually, that's one of the few cases where I enthusiastically condone "doxing" (which by the was is a stupid fucking word).

So...yay?

Please note, I'm speaking primarily of radical and gender feminists here. I have no such complaints of the equity feminists. (now that I've got the terms straight)

Has anyone posted about Ophelia's latest triumph?

She's put a paypal button on her page, just to piss us off.

:lol:

http://www.freezepage.com/1360618528IUYBVRMVDK

This is the perfect way to spite the harassers. They will be so disgusted their nostrils will ache, and I will treat myself to a package of Pepperidge Farm orange Milano cookies on sale this week at Safeway for ONLY TWO DOLLARS.

Why on Earth would she think that would annoy us?

Does she think that it means WE are going to be forced to pay her?

Ophelia, let me dick-splain.

Paypal is a voluntary thing.
If your sycophantic fans want to donate to you then what's stopping them.
We, at the slymepit, appreciate your entertainment value, but not enough top pay for it.

Let your flock pay all they want.
Good for you for figuring out a way of getting money (I guess FTB isn't such a good business model after all!)

Why didn't you do it years ago?

Submariner

IMHO feminism only sees two classes: men and everyone else.

Then I must disagree, not least because one of the more objective ways of studying power differentials is by looking at property ownership. Not always correlated to class, I admit, but it is one of those things that run alongside quite consistently.

Dick Strawkins wrote:Has anyone posted about Ophelia's latest triumph?

She's put a paypal button on her page, just to piss us off.

:lol:

http://www.freezepage.com/1360618528IUYBVRMVDK

This is the perfect way to spite the harassers. They will be so disgusted their nostrils will ache, and I will treat myself to a package of Pepperidge Farm orange Milano cookies on sale this week at Safeway for ONLY TWO DOLLARS.

Why on Earth would she think that would annoy us?

Does she think that it means WE are going to be forced to pay her?

Ophelia, let me dick-splain.

Paypal is a voluntary thing.
If your sycophantic fans want to donate to you then what's stopping them.
We, at the slymepit, appreciate your entertainment value, but not enough top pay for it.

Let your flock pay all they want.
Good for you for figuring out a way of getting money (I guess FTB isn't such a good business model after all!)

Why didn't you do it years ago?

Oy, me nostrils!!

katamari Damassi wrote:We got a mention in the comments section of Zinnia Jones' blog over at FfTB. She's taking credit for outing an ex-gay charlatan named Michael Moore who was caught on the gay hook-up site Grindr. Apparently some in the commentariat there believe that the pitters would disapprove of such an outing, and caution Zinnia to be careful because as GreatAmericanSatan says: "Slymepitters and Jebus creeps are combing places like this for ways to condemn us. Let’s not give them anything too juicy to nosh on if we can help it."
To which Jafafa Hots replies: "At any rate, it’s really not worth worrying about how slymepitters etc. will twist what we say, or attribute what others have said to us, or attribute what they have said as “sympathetic” sockpuppets to us. They’ll just make things up as usual anyway."
Does anyone here care that a ex-gay hypocrite was outed?

More to the point: has anyone here "made things up" as Jababa claims?

We should stop hateing on poor ole Greg Laden, and praise him for what he does not do.


(FFS what is a little stalking, and trying to trigger PTSD and doxxing and attempting to get people fired "for the good of humanity" compared to what he has every right excuse to be actually doing? What is the matter with y'all?)

Angry_Drunk wrote:Watching the slimy turd oolon on twitter as he desperately rubs his withered pecker while babbling about his precious fucking bot is...well it's something.

It is indeed.
Isn't Oolon the bloke who said Elevatorgate was obsessive? Oh projection!
What Oolon doesn't know is that at least two of his twitter followers are Poe accounts one of which he converses with on a semi-regular basis... That little fact warms my cockles at night.

Corylus wrote:Submariner

IMHO feminism only sees two classes: men and everyone else.

Then I must disagree, not least because one of the more objective ways of studying power differentials is by looking at property ownership. Not always correlated to class, I admit, but it is one of those things that run alongside quite consistently.

Not sure what you're getting at here. Women can't own property? I thought that was changed at least several decades ago.

I donated £1 to Ophelia's Paypal.
Ophelia, that next pack of Tena Lady pads is on me xxxxxx

katamari Damassi wrote:We got a mention in the comments section of Zinnia Jones' blog over at FfTB. She's taking credit for outing an ex-gay charlatan named Michael Moore who was caught on the gay hook-up site Grindr. Apparently some in the commentariat there believe that the pitters would disapprove of such an outing, and caution Zinnia to be careful because as GreatAmericanSatan says: "Slymepitters and Jebus creeps are combing places like this for ways to condemn us. Let’s not give them anything too juicy to nosh on if we can help it."
To which Jafafa Hots replies: "At any rate, it’s really not worth worrying about how slymepitters etc. will twist what we say, or attribute what others have said to us, or attribute what they have said as “sympathetic” sockpuppets to us. They’ll just make things up as usual anyway."
Does anyone here care that a ex-gay hypocrite was outed?

I am glad that he was outed. They also accused Slymepitters of being on the side of misogynist priest Piero Corsi - who, a few months back, said that women were to blame for their own rape/abuse. They basically said 'the only thing stopping 'pitters from coming out in full support of Piero Corsi is that he is religious.'

Dick Strawkins wrote:Has anyone posted about Ophelia's latest triumph?

She's put a paypal button on her page, just to piss us off.

:lol:

http://www.freezepage.com/1360618528IUYBVRMVDK

This is the perfect way to spite the harassers. They will be so disgusted their nostrils will ache, and I will treat myself to a package of Pepperidge Farm orange Milano cookies on sale this week at Safeway for ONLY TWO DOLLARS.

Well, she can rape my nostrils as long she doesn't burn my bottom off or split my penis.

Seriously, though, she's fucking bonkers...

Submariner wrote:Please note, I'm speaking primarily of radical and gender feminists here.

Of course. Quite understood.

I have no such complaints of the equity feminists. (now that I've got the terms straight)

Heh! Yep, jargon can be a pain. Here's another one for your list.

Analytic Feminism

Gefan wrote:I'm curious as to what Herr Ratzinger's resignation does viz his potential claims of sovereign immunity (a defense that has already singularly failed Saddam Hussein and Slobodan Milosovic and was in the process of failing Augusto Pinochet when the grim reaper jumped the line).

I'm sure the papal consigliere has considered this, but it would warm my heart to think that Ratzinger's travel plans for his retirement are severely restricted.

I regard the whole thing as bunk and dismiss it as theatre.

History is written by the victors and the powerful. Many of the villains of today were not, till they lost their utility and/or game of thrones to others (who by all rights) should be standing in the dock beside them.

Submariner wrote:

Corylus wrote:Submariner

IMHO feminism only sees two classes: men and everyone else.

Then I must disagree, not least because one of the more objective ways of studying power differentials is by looking at property ownership. Not always correlated to class, I admit, but it is one of those things that run alongside quite consistently.

Not sure what you're getting at here. Women can't own property? I thought that was changed at least several decades ago.

Sorry, missed that one. Yes, for example, the Married Women's Property Act was waaay back in 1870! Resistance to women having individual bank accounts and mortgages a more recent memory though.

These days we need to look at trends rather than absolutes.

Cephus from Bitchspot apparently doesn't like many posters here and seems to see the Slymepit as "just as bad" as PZ, Ophelia, Watson, and co.

http://bitchspot.jadedragononline.com/2 ... ree-sides/

Yet it’s not just the radfem nutballs that have issues, there are tons of people on our own side that are just as bad. It’s getting hard to decide which group is worse and that’s the problem, they’re all idiots! Let me spell it out for them because some of them are slow. If a person is on Twitter and they’re following PZ Myers, Ophelia Benson, Greta Christina, Adam Lee, Stephanie Zvan, Greg Laden, Ed Brayton, Rebecca Watson, Melody Hensley, Lousy Canuck or a host of other dyed-in-the-wool-Atheism+ers, just to see if they can find something to post on the Slymepit and laugh about, or just so they can stick it on Elevatorgate, they’re a fucking asshole. They’re a troll. They’re a sleazeball and deserve no more respect than any of the asshats I mentioned them following.

justinvacula wrote:Cephus from Bitchspot apparently doesn't like many posters here and seems to see the Slymepit as "just as bad" as PZ, Ophelia, Watson, and co.

http://bitchspot.jadedragononline.com/2 ... ree-sides/

Yet it’s not just the radfem nutballs that have issues, there are tons of people on our own side that are just as bad. It’s getting hard to decide which group is worse and that’s the problem, they’re all idiots! Let me spell it out for them because some of them are slow. If a person is on Twitter and they’re following PZ Myers, Ophelia Benson, Greta Christina, Adam Lee, Stephanie Zvan, Greg Laden, Ed Brayton, Rebecca Watson, Melody Hensley, Lousy Canuck or a host of other dyed-in-the-wool-Atheism+ers, just to see if they can find something to post on the Slymepit and laugh about, or just so they can stick it on Elevatorgate, they’re a fucking asshole. They’re a troll. They’re a sleazeball and deserve no more respect than any of the asshats I mentioned them following.

Oh noes! let's all change our ways now!
I'm an asshole and I'm a troll. I'm also here for a laugh and nothing else.

EdwardGemmer wrote:

incognito wrote:In the US, since rather a lot of atheists tenn to be either "far left" (European equivalent of a "Social Democrat") or "far right" (objectivist/libertarian leaning) I guess it makes sense that half of the atheists/irreligious find rather a lot of other atheists/irreligious annoying?

I'm very liberal and I consider the A+ gang to be the right wing of the atheist movement. Right wingers typically are more comfortable with inequality in the system, and who could be happier with inequalities than these folks? They tend to dismiss huge portions of the population as evil, idiotic, racist, sexist, etc., etc., etc. and summarily dismiss them. They literally can't handle criticism, nor are outsiders welcome. Their arguments tend to be based on emotion and "not upsetting" the established order is very, very important to them.

Promoting diversity and equality is an extremely important goal of liberalism. It is probably the most important goal of liberalism. Can anyone say without laughing that Atheism Plus promotes this goal. While they say lots of good things (we promote feminism!, we promote minorities!), in practice they exclude far, far more people than they help, and they are proud of that fact. There is nothing liberal about that.

I would quibble with this, because it is bloody obvious that the A+ers are to the left of the atheist movement. The whole concept of privilege? It comes from the Academic Left. The zeal for ideological purity? A hallmark of US progressivism. Pope Peezus is quite clear that he wants the US Atheist movement to be a wholly far-left/progressive movement. A fetish for identity politics and collectivism and utopianism? Classic leftist entryism. Speech codes? Again, an invention of the left. The A+ers are effectively a SWP-esque cult hellbent on entryism into the US Atheist movement. Shouting "bigot" and "MRA" at anyone they disagree with - a habit of liberalism (only replacing shouts of "racist!"). Their love of socialism isn't exactly a rightist thing either.

Although their authoritarianism is a hallmark of well, authoritarianism, which is a feature of all places on the political spectrum.

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welch wrote:
Which I find somewhat funny, as in general, the jobs Watson et al would NEVER consider, i.e. "blue collar", seem to have the best work/life separation going. Melissa's dad is an electrician, and I wish I had the ability to just go fishing and shut my phone off for hours at a time. Or have work be something I do from n to m, and then when I go home, it's just something to gripe about.

At some point I considered studying plumbing. Great trade. Good money to be made. :hankey:
http://baumbach.com/History/MissBecomesMaster.htm

Tony Parsehole wrote:

justinvacula wrote:Cephus from Bitchspot apparently doesn't like many posters here and seems to see the Slymepit as "just as bad" as PZ, Ophelia, Watson, and co.

http://bitchspot.jadedragononline.com/2 ... ree-sides/

Yet it’s not just the radfem nutballs that have issues, there are tons of people on our own side that are just as bad. It’s getting hard to decide which group is worse and that’s the problem, they’re all idiots! Let me spell it out for them because some of them are slow. If a person is on Twitter and they’re following PZ Myers, Ophelia Benson, Greta Christina, Adam Lee, Stephanie Zvan, Greg Laden, Ed Brayton, Rebecca Watson, Melody Hensley, Lousy Canuck or a host of other dyed-in-the-wool-Atheism+ers, just to see if they can find something to post on the Slymepit and laugh about, or just so they can stick it on Elevatorgate, they’re a fucking asshole. They’re a troll. They’re a sleazeball and deserve no more respect than any of the asshats I mentioned them following.

Oh noes! let's all change our ways now!
I'm an asshole and I'm a troll. I'm also here for a laugh and nothing else.

Well, I happen to think that people who look for stuff about the FCers to post on the pit and giggle about are cool. And my subjective value opinion trumps Cephus', because I once dated an ex-girlfriend of David Bowie. Yeah, swivel on that one, Billy-No-Life.

codelette wrote: At some point I considered studying plumbing. Great trade. Good money to be made. :hankey:
http://baumbach.com/History/MissBecomesMaster.htm

If you don't mind getting covered in shite. My friend is a plumber and has told me enough horror stories to put me right off the idea. I've spent most of my life doing dirty, dangerous and very physically hard work, but I draw the line at being hosed down with turds and tampons.

Submariner wrote:

katamari Damassi wrote:We got a mention in the comments section of Zinnia Jones' blog over at FfTB. She's taking credit for outing an ex-gay charlatan named Michael Moore who was caught on the gay hook-up site Grindr. Apparently some in the commentariat there believe that the pitters would disapprove of such an outing, and caution Zinnia to be careful because as GreatAmericanSatan says: "Slymepitters and Jebus creeps are combing places like this for ways to condemn us. Let’s not give them anything too juicy to nosh on if we can help it."
To which Jafafa Hots replies: "At any rate, it’s really not worth worrying about how slymepitters etc. will twist what we say, or attribute what others have said to us, or attribute what they have said as “sympathetic” sockpuppets to us. They’ll just make things up as usual anyway."
Does anyone here care that a ex-gay hypocrite was outed?

More to the point: has anyone here "made things up" as Jababa claims?

Yeah - her post has been up for over a week and obviously no one here cares.

It is funny that, among the many things FTBers "make up" about the 'Pit is the idea that this board "makes things up." The screencapped and linked record speaks for itself.

EdgePenguin wrote:

Gumby wrote:

AbsurdWalls wrote:

Tigzy wrote:Caught you hoggling, Kabuki-face! :D

http://i.imgur.com/uKto08v.png

But rest assurred, o vacuous soul of the pomo skeptical movement, no rumours will get started about this. Really, you're not that important. However much you may think otherwise.

That was sort-of obvious, it was surprising to see people jumping on it here (specifically people jumping on Ophelia for joining in with their joke).

Agreed. These idiots give us so much real ammunition there's no need to conjure it up.

I'm NOT saying people here are deliberately making shit up; what I'm saying is that those people make such routine asses out of themselves that it's almost automatic to assume that everything they say is nefarious or idiotic.

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

I'm sorry, but both of you (AbsurdWalls and Gumby) seem to be jumping on that response a bit too much. I'm guessing you have more information than the other forum members who commented on this?

People such as Benson are beyond Poe. Using the fact that someone can't tell when they are jokingly being awful or seriously being awful, to try and gain forum status (or whatever), is kind of immature.

"to try to gain forum status"? WTF? :lol:

It's not a matter of having more information than the other commenters here, it's a matter of interpretation of the tweets. I (and apparently AbsurdWalls) saw the tweets differently than others did, that's all. I do think too much was read into them by some others, but of course that's just my opinion. I fail to see how disagreement with a position qualifies me as seeking to gain forum status.

Huh? I don't begrudge anyone the odd cookie. In fact, I have been known to bake them for my friends. I even generally manage to not have 'eated dem all' when they come round for tea and a chat.

I do, however, insist on calling them biscuits. Because they are:-

Biscuits.

justinvacula wrote:Cephus from Bitchspot apparently doesn't like many posters here and seems to see the Slymepit as "just as bad" as PZ, Ophelia, Watson, and co.

http://bitchspot.jadedragononline.com/2 ... ree-sides/

Yet it’s not just the radfem nutballs that have issues, there are tons of people on our own side that are just as bad. It’s getting hard to decide which group is worse and that’s the problem, they’re all idiots! Let me spell it out for them because some of them are slow. If a person is on Twitter and they’re following PZ Myers, Ophelia Benson, Greta Christina, Adam Lee, Stephanie Zvan, Greg Laden, Ed Brayton, Rebecca Watson, Melody Hensley, Lousy Canuck or a host of other dyed-in-the-wool-Atheism+ers, just to see if they can find something to post on the Slymepit and laugh about, or just so they can stick it on Elevatorgate, they’re a fucking asshole. They’re a troll. They’re a sleazeball and deserve no more respect than any of the asshats I mentioned them following.

Actually, what Cephus fails to realize is that the lulz are actually secondary, though mighty welcome. Pointing out the hypocrisy is job #1.

bhoytony wrote: If you don't mind getting covered in shite. My friend is a plumber and has told me enough horror stories to put me right off the idea. I've spent most of my life doing dirty, dangerous and very physically hard work, but I draw the line at being hosed down with turds and tampons.

Woe is me!
Porn movies have been lying to me my whole life?
Next you'll tell me that being a pizza delivery guy won't get me 2 sexy young women answering the door in babydolls :cry:

Corylus wrote:Huh? I don't begrudge anyone the odd cookie. In fact, I have been known to bake them for my friends. I even generally manage to not have 'eated dem all' when they come round for tea and a chat.

I do, however, insist on calling them biscuits. Because they are:-

Biscuits.

I find it's more nuanced than that. Jaffa Cakes, for example, are technically cakes, though I and plenty of other people I know still refer to them offhandedly as biscuits.

Tigzy wrote:

Corylus wrote:Huh? I don't begrudge anyone the odd cookie. In fact, I have been known to bake them for my friends. I even generally manage to not have 'eated dem all' when they come round for tea and a chat.

I do, however, insist on calling them biscuits. Because they are:-

Biscuits.

I find it's more nuanced than that. Jaffa Cakes, for example, are technically cakes, though I and plenty of other people I know still refer to them offhandedly as biscuits.

Yes, there are always counterexamples to be found.

Does anybody have a photocap of that Ophelia Benson "stupidbitch" tweet? Or was it something mentioned by one of the parodies?

If she did say it, then I will expect Black Svan and the rest of the Tweeter wordwatch horde to quickly get on her case.

Angry_Drunk wrote:Watching the slimy turd oolon on twitter as he desperately rubs his withered pecker while babbling about his precious fucking bot is...well it's something.

It's pressive. More de- than im- but definitely pressive.

katamari Damassi wrote:We got a mention in the comments section of Zinnia Jones' blog over at FfTB. She's taking credit for outing an ex-gay charlatan named Michael Moore who was caught on the gay hook-up site Grindr. Apparently some in the commentariat there believe that the pitters would disapprove of such an outing, and caution Zinnia to be careful because as GreatAmericanSatan says: "Slymepitters and Jebus creeps are combing places like this for ways to condemn us. Let’s not give them anything too juicy to nosh on if we can help it."
To which Jafafa Hots replies: "At any rate, it’s really not worth worrying about how slymepitters etc. will twist what we say, or attribute what others have said to us, or attribute what they have said as “sympathetic” sockpuppets to us. They’ll just make things up as usual anyway."
Does anyone here care that a ex-gay hypocrite was outed?

I think it was pretty awesome.

BTW folks, last time I checked, James "child porn" Billingham's Block Bot project had gone from 23 followers to 22 (TWENTY TWO). This is despite the obsessive promotion he and Aratina Rage are giving it.

Now we have two things we can taunt Colon with - his penchant for photocapping child porn, and his failed "block bot" adventure. he's so gonna get the shit ripped out of him from now on.

ReneeHendricks wrote:Hey all - you know that pic of the robot gangsters from Futurama that was posted not too long ago? Someone said I was the "leader" robot. Did we point out who the other 2 were? Having a convo about this (who's the leader of non-FTB/A+/Skepchick group - Abbie was mentioned).

I wanna be Clamps!

Is it time for the clamps, boss? Huh? Should I use the clamps?

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lk9pg ... o1_400.jpg

Ah, who am I kidding. I don't have the forums status here to be one of the Pit Robot Mafia.

Corylus wrote:Huh? I don't begrudge anyone the odd cookie. In fact, I have been known to bake them for my friends. I even generally manage to not have 'eated dem all' when they come round for tea and a chat.

I do, however, insist on calling them biscuits. Because they are:-

Biscuits.

As long as I can eat them, I'll call them whatever you want :D

another lurker wrote:

katamari Damassi wrote:We got a mention in the comments section of Zinnia Jones' blog over at FfTB. She's taking credit for outing an ex-gay charlatan named Michael Moore who was caught on the gay hook-up site Grindr. Apparently some in the commentariat there believe that the pitters would disapprove of such an outing, and caution Zinnia to be careful because as GreatAmericanSatan says: "Slymepitters and Jebus creeps are combing places like this for ways to condemn us. Let’s not give them anything too juicy to nosh on if we can help it."
To which Jafafa Hots replies: "At any rate, it’s really not worth worrying about how slymepitters etc. will twist what we say, or attribute what others have said to us, or attribute what they have said as “sympathetic” sockpuppets to us. They’ll just make things up as usual anyway."
Does anyone here care that a ex-gay hypocrite was outed?

I am glad that he was outed. They also accused Slymepitters of being on the side of misogynist priest Piero Corsi - who, a few months back, said that women were to blame for their own rape/abuse. They basically said 'the only thing stopping 'pitters from coming out in full support of Piero Corsi is that he is religious.'

and a raging dickweed.

bhoytony wrote:I draw the line at being hosed down with turds and tampons.

Fap, fap, fap.

CommanderTuvok wrote:Does anybody have a photocap of that Ophelia Benson "stupidbitch" tweet? Or was it something mentioned by one of the parodies?

If she did say it, then I will expect Black Svan and the rest of the Tweeter wordwatch horde to quickly get on her case.

justinvacula wrote:Cephus from Bitchspot apparently doesn't like many posters here and seems to see the Slymepit as "just as bad" as PZ, Ophelia, Watson, and co.

http://bitchspot.jadedragononline.com/2 ... ree-sides/

Yet it’s not just the radfem nutballs that have issues, there are tons of people on our own side that are just as bad. It’s getting hard to decide which group is worse and that’s the problem, they’re all idiots! Let me spell it out for them because some of them are slow. If a person is on Twitter and they’re following PZ Myers, Ophelia Benson, Greta Christina, Adam Lee, Stephanie Zvan, Greg Laden, Ed Brayton, Rebecca Watson, Melody Hensley, Lousy Canuck or a host of other dyed-in-the-wool-Atheism+ers, just to see if they can find something to post on the Slymepit and laugh about, or just so they can stick it on Elevatorgate, they’re a fucking asshole. They’re a troll. They’re a sleazeball and deserve no more respect than any of the asshats I mentioned them following.

and anyone fucking cares...why?

Gumby wrote:

ReneeHendricks wrote:Hey all - you know that pic of the robot gangsters from Futurama that was posted not too long ago? Someone said I was the "leader" robot. Did we point out who the other 2 were? Having a convo about this (who's the leader of non-FTB/A+/Skepchick group - Abbie was mentioned).

I wanna be Clamps!

Is it time for the clamps, boss? Huh? Should I use the clamps?

Ah, who am I kidding. I don't have the forums status here to be one of the Pit Robot Mafia.

*I* am Clamps. Bada-climp! Bada-clamp!

You can be Tinny Tim.

Tony Parsehole wrote:

bhoytony wrote:I draw the line at being hosed down with turds and tampons.

Fap, fap, fap.

:lol: You had to go there, didn't you. Still, I can top that. Few nights ago I had a wank while thinking about Natalie Reed.

And there I was, a few posts ago, of accusing someone else of being a Billy-No-Life...