Bunkspubble!

[cunt]

I'm not really asking a hypothetical SJW. I'm asking you.

In the interests of equality, either both men and women get doxxed for such behaviour, or neither do.

So neither is preferable, right?

[Mark Neil]

Yep, you are partly correct. I was partly incorrect.
Even the Oxford dictionary considers "strong feelings" to be "violence" when expressed, but does not include passively restricting access.
Bugger me. Expressing strong feelings are defined as actual violence! You learn something new every day.

(Channels PZ) Damn you dictionary atheists!

Pushing people back away from the doors and slamming doors shut with your full body weight as people attempt to open them are not "passive" methods of restricting access. Or do we need to provide the definition of passive for you as well?

And do, please explain how you were "partially correct", because I don't see it.

[cunt]

Now we see the violence inherent in the system!

[another lurker]

I'm not really asking a hypothetical SJW. I'm asking you.

In the interests of equality, either both men and women get doxxed for such behaviour, or neither do.

So neither is preferable, right?

I would agree with MKG, let the authorities handle it. I notice that this is really only an issue in regards to MRA vs. feminists. Asshole environmentalists aren't doxed, are they? Neither are most stripes of protestors. The cops are called, and they arrest these people.

The only folks I might say 'yeah dox them' are racists - and that is because they DO tend to engage in actual violence. And by racists I mean, the assholes who go around wearing KKK and neo-nazi insignia. Fuck them, I have no sympathy.

[cunt]

I would agree with MKG, let the authorities handle it. I notice that this is really only an issue in regards to MRA vs. feminists. Asshole environmentalists aren't doxed, are they? Neither are most stripes of protestors. The cops are called, and they arrest these people.

Then you'd agree with me because i've been saying that for hours.

[Mark Neil]

I am tempted to agree with cunt, however, thought experiment:

What if the roles were reversed, and a bunch of men were angrily yelling and threatening women outside of a feminist convention? How many people would have a problem with these hypothetical men being listed on a website?

If it seems reasonable to dox angry men outside of a feminist convention, why is it not reasonable to dox angry women outside of an mra style convention?

Most vigilante actions skate a very fine line between achieving nothing, and precipitating unrecoverable disaster for someone and their family.
There is no "in between".
Neither goals are worthwhile.

If they are breaking the law, then urge the authorities to take action.

Part of the problem is the authorities can't/won't take action. One person was arrested at that protest... a man (he was with the feminists, but was still a man). Part of the problem is the same problem we're having with the A+ crowd, any holding them accountable for their actions is played off as victimizing them, and arresting those feminist protesters would have easily resulted in a feminist backlash of women's rights being trampled on. This is in part due to the manufactured perception that men are violent and women are angles. I believe the registry is an attempt to address this second part, by showing just how not angles they can be. That said, I will repeat myself from earlier, I don't agree with the registry, I think it's childish. But I also think that Cunt's portraying it as an "enemies list" complete with an implication of intent to have it result in putting people in the hospital, especially while given a pass to the protesters who, themselves were far closer to outright intimidation and violence than the registry could ever be, is ridiculous and demonstrative of the very problems listed above.

[Lurkion]

Physically baracading the doors, preventing people from entering, delaying the event by an hour or so until the police were called in to remove them by force (because they refused to move), is more than just flipping of the police and making oink oink noises. Your misrepresenting the events is becoming rather troublesome. I find it particularly odd that you seem to equate putting someones name on a website as violence, yet blocking people from entering a building, chasing people around and mercilessly calling them scum, simply for being there to attend, and needing to be physically moved by law enforcement, all that is perfectly OK with you? What the fuck is wrong with you? Are you one of those SJWs?

It sucked, they were being assholes. In no way was it a violent protest.

When police are called in to remove the "protestors" from physically blocking the doors, and the police need to get physical in order to do so, then it sure as hell isn't a peaceful protest. And given you're attempts to dismiss the verbal assault and infringement of rights as nothing more than "being assholes", while you label placing a name on a website as somehow more violent, I think what you deem and don't deem violent is pretty suspect. Again I'll ask, what the fuck is wrong with you?

Except I never said that posting their names was violent, and yeah i'd count blocking doors as a non-violent protest. I said posting the names was intimidation. Go fuck yourself.
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Under the legal definition of assault (at least in Australia), I would say those protesters assaulted the people planning on going to the talk. They acted in a way as to intimidate the patrons and got in their face in such a way that (if they were men), it would likely have been justifiable for the person attending the talk to shove them away. Of course, I suspect that's what they were after.

I think it's fair to post the names; they were acting in an intimidating and unjustifiable way and remind me of people blocking the school entrances during segregation. The civil rights issues for men are in no way like the civil rights issues for black people during that time, but the method is the same, the motivation is similar and the conduct is reprehensible. Feel free to publish their names.

[TheMan]

Just to take my mind of kittens and way in with the debate....

[Lurkion]

(Assault, however, does not necessarily mean "violent" and to use the definition of "violent" that is (effectively) "passionate" ignores the fact that "violent protest" is associated with the first meaning of "violent" and not the second or third. So, no, it wasn't a "violent" protest.)

[cunt]

You think its fair because it reminds you of something else that was bad. Can't argue with that logic.

[TheMan]

Just to take my mind of kittens and way in with the debate....

damn...hit submit instead of full editor.

I see this debate as two things...was the protest violent and is creating a list of names (doxxing or not) in this case right or wrong.

based on the video of the protest I would consider it as violent with potential for some fistycuff type of violence. Comes under the general umbrealla definition of violent.

Listing...If you do create a list it's always going to look like "we know who you are". It's inveriably always going to come across as some sort of threat...especially in list form. It would look nasty to me. I would have avoided making and publishing a list.

[Steersman]

Lol, those students were part of an occupying canadian army or something, and it wasn't a protest. It was war. Has to be so, because otherwise submariners point doesn't make any sense, and he should really stop embarrassing himself.

If you saw a crime being committed would you not report it?

If the police were called in to remove those protestors then is that not evidence of a crime being committed? Little hard to see how the police could remove them – if that was what actually happened – if they were not breaking any laws.

And if the police and the University decline to press charges then why should society not have the right to at least know the names of those committing those acts? Likewise with “Creepy Bitter Girl” and, presumably, Setar during the Great Poster Tear-down Extravaganza? That one might argue that Mykeru was subjected to the same “justice” would seem only to confirm a commitment to a universal principle: that Black in a game of chess is permitted the same moves as White seems only fair.

While I am maybe somewhat sympathetic to your position – “mob justice” does have a tendency to get out of hand, although one might offer any number of cases where legal justice is more vindictive than merciful or useful, methinks you’re conflating those publishing those names and those who might then take further steps: the former are not responsible for the latter. Seems not all that different from legal authorities publishing the names if not addresses of known and released sexual offenders.

But it would be interesting to know whether regular newspapers would be entitled to publish the names of those involved in such “protests” since one might argue that AVfM should have the same rights. The power of the press belongs to those who own one - and technically, virtually everyone can now do so.

[John Greg]

MKG said:

That should be:
Us We pedants always get squelchy when phrases are analyzed using the wrong incorrect phrase.

Courtesy of Pedants Inc.

LOL. Yes, yes, how correct you are.

[Mark Neil]

"passionate" ignores the fact that "violent protest" is associated with the first meaning of "violent" and not the second or third.

On what basis do you make this claim? Why can a verbally abusive, hostile protest that illegally bars access to an event paid for by the attendee, thus denying said attendee their rights, why can this not be described as a violent protest? It certainly isn't a peaceful protest. I'd also argue that the manner in which they barred access (it wasn't just standing in the way, they actually put resistance into preventing people from opening foors, and pushed people away that tried to gain entry) would fall under the first definition of violence given previously.

[cunt]

[quote]While I am maybe somewhat sympathetic to your position – “mob justice” does have a tendency to get out of hand, although one might offer any number of cases where legal justice is more vindictive than merciful or useful, methinks you’re conflating those publishing those names and those who might then take further steps: the former are not responsible for the latter. Seems not all that different from legal authorities publishing the names if not addresses of known and released sexual offenders. [quote]

Those sex offenders have been released, why? Because they've served their time and are judged to no longer be a likely threat to the community. Publishing their names might be dangerous. I'm really not interested in defending that. However It is quite obviously different from publishing the name of a person who has so far escaped justice, at least in the readers mind.

[Mark Neil]

Just to take my mind of kittens and way in with the debate....

Listing...If you do create a list it's always going to look like "we know who you are". It's inveriably always going to come across as some sort of threat...especially in list form. It would look nasty to me. I would have avoided making and publishing a list.

If the registry was limited to just the protesters, then I would agree with you fully. That the registry names a lot of people for various reasons, all of which harmful to men, again, childish, but not so much a threat.

[cunt]

Lol, those students were part of an occupying canadian army or something, and it wasn't a protest. It was war. Has to be so, because otherwise submariners point doesn't make any sense, and he should really stop embarrassing himself.

If you saw a crime being committed would you not report it?

If the police were called in to remove those protestors then is that not evidence of a crime being committed? Little hard to see how the police could remove them – if that was what actually happened – if they were not breaking any laws.

They weren't called in to remove people. They quite obviously knew there was going to be a protest (they were probably notified) and were there all along to police it. Even from the small amount of footage we have that much is bleedingly obvious.

[Lurkion]

I'd also argue that the manner in which they barred access (it wasn't just standing in the way, they actually put resistance into preventing people from opening foors, and pushed people away that tried to gain entry) would fall under the first definition of violence given previously.

If that's the case, then it's violent. I'd need to rewatch the video.

[Lurkion]

You think its fair because it reminds you of something else that was bad. Can't argue with that logic.

Well, you could argue with that logic, if that was the logic I'd used.

[Richard Dworkins]

Ah. Tonights heated debate made me look over at AFVM and I'm guessing this is to do with those screeching harpies outside that Warren Farrell Event.

To me it seems like they were deliberately trying to provoke people into reacting badly to play the victim. I am actually surprised someone did not break one of their noses. I am quite a civil person but if someone started screeching in my face like that I would have been sorely tempted to use my wife's pepper spray on them. There is a difference between protest and agitation. That fell into the later.
However it was not a violent protest by any means. Angry? Certainly.

As for the AVFM's hit "register her" thing. It's a tactic of tabloid journalism and it is also agitation propaganda. One is reminded of Lenny Bruce.

"But ya see, I can't do it cause I do business with these assholes, and it looks bad for me, you know, ah . . . so I want somebody to do it for me, you know? So I tell you what: Here's a stick and a gun and you do it -- but wait till I'm out of the room. And, wherever it happens, see, I'll wait back here and I'll watch, you know, and you make sure you kick 'em in the ass and throw 'em in there."

[cunt]

As for the AVFM's hit "register her" thing. It's a tactic of tabloid journalism and it is also agitation propaganda. One is reminded of Lenny Bruce.

"But ya see, I can't do it cause I do business with these assholes, and it looks bad for me, you know, ah . . . so I want somebody to do it for me, you know? So I tell you what: Here's a stick and a gun and you do it -- but wait till I'm out of the room. And, wherever it happens, see, I'll wait back here and I'll watch, you know, and you make sure you kick 'em in the ass and throw 'em in there."

Somebody fucking gets it!!

[Mark Neil]

They weren't called in to remove people. They quite obviously knew there was going to be a protest (they were probably notified) and were there all along to police it. Even from the small amount of footage we have that much is bleedingly obvious.

Actually, the police were called in. The event was delayed for an hour while the speakers and attendee's waited for police to mobilize and intervene because the school security was insufficient to handle the situation. Don't mistake a handful of school security with calling in a large contingent with bikes (for barricades) and riot helmets.

If that's the case, then it's violent. I'd need to rewatch the video.

The video's (there are more than one) are available for viewing. In one of them, you will see one of the attendee's trying to open the door. One protester is putting his shoulder into keeping it closed, while others try to interject their bodies between the attendee and the door, thus pushing him away. The guy putting his shoulder into it had a beard and ponytail, if memory serves.

[Mark Neil]

As for the AVFM's hit "register her" thing. It's a tactic of tabloid journalism and it is also agitation propaganda. One is reminded of Lenny Bruce.

"But ya see, I can't do it cause I do business with these assholes, and it looks bad for me, you know, ah . . . so I want somebody to do it for me, you know? So I tell you what: Here's a stick and a gun and you do it -- but wait till I'm out of the room. And, wherever it happens, see, I'll wait back here and I'll watch, you know, and you make sure you kick 'em in the ass and throw 'em in there."

So, does that mean the FfTBers are right about the slimepit as well, and especially Mykeru and his videos, when they make similar accusations? Does Ophelia's accusation of stochastic terrorism against Justin Vacula hold water? If not, what's the difference? Where is the line drawn?

[Richard Dworkins]

As for the AVFM's hit "register her" thing. It's a tactic of tabloid journalism and it is also agitation propaganda. One is reminded of Lenny Bruce.

"But ya see, I can't do it cause I do business with these assholes, and it looks bad for me, you know, ah . . . so I want somebody to do it for me, you know? So I tell you what: Here's a stick and a gun and you do it -- but wait till I'm out of the room. And, wherever it happens, see, I'll wait back here and I'll watch, you know, and you make sure you kick 'em in the ass and throw 'em in there."

So, does that mean the FfTBers are right about the slimepit as well, and especially Mykeru and his videos, when they make similar accusations? Does Ophelia's accusation of stochastic terrorism against Justin Vacula hold water? If not, what's the difference? Where is the line drawn?

No. The Slymepit does not claim to be a "voice" for a single politically motivated pressure group, it's front page does not have mugshots of Benson Myers etc. Mykeru does not claim he speaks on behalf of a disenfranchised group, he speaks on behalf of himself, through satire. Justin Vacula has, as far as I am aware done nothing wrong and for the one thing that could be considered his major indiscretion he explained and apologised for any offense caused.

The difference is simple. One is a politically motivated pressure group dedicated to antagonism of another politically motivated pressure group. Those who have political motivations do often court extremism and then are the first to condemn the actions of violent members, just to show how reasonable and fair they are.

The other is a bunch of people from the atheist skeptic community pointing out some hypocrisy and non-skepticism of some supposed skeptics. I see no central ideology here nor "Fuck their shit up" antagonistic rhetoric.

[Lurkion]

They weren't called in to remove people. They quite obviously knew there was going to be a protest (they were probably notified) and were there all along to police it. Even from the small amount of footage we have that much is bleedingly obvious.

Actually, the police were called in. The event was delayed for an hour while the speakers and attendee's waited for police to mobilize and intervene because the school security was insufficient to handle the situation. Don't mistake a handful of school security with calling in a large contingent with bikes (for barricades) and riot helmets.

If that's the case, then it's violent. I'd need to rewatch the video.

The video's (there are more than one) are available for viewing. In one of them, you will see one of the attendee's trying to open the door. One protester is putting his shoulder into keeping it closed, while others try to interject their bodies between the attendee and the door, thus pushing him away. The guy putting his shoulder into it had a beard and ponytail, if memory serves.

Why, Abe. I'd appreciate it if you'd be a-Link-in...

[Trophy]

Just to take my mind of kittens and way in with the debate....

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[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

Damn snake is too horny to eat. It's been almost two weeks since his last mouse. Fuck you, mating season!

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

Oh, and Karla, Jim, you know what to do.

WELCOME!!!

[Lurkion]

The video's (there are more than one) are available for viewing. In one of them, you will see one of the attendee's trying to open the door. One protester is putting his shoulder into keeping it closed, while others try to interject their bodies between the attendee and the door, thus pushing him away. The guy putting his shoulder into it had a beard and ponytail, if memory serves.

Why, Abe. I'd appreciate it if you'd be a-Link-in...

On whether or not it's violence

I looked into the videos. Here's what I came up with:

(1) (at 1:00 Man shoves door into person who has just entered?)

(2) (at :355 - same video - this woman is a terrible, terrible person. She was definitely trying to incite violence from the attendees. "Hey, I want to get into your face and intimidate you, so hopefully you shove me away so my friends can say 'This is what men's rights look like again.'" But, I don't think that would be "violence" per se).

(3) , on the other hand, does appear to be violent. And it looks to me like it's coming from the protestor's end. You don't get that kind of movement from "passive resistance".

Whether or not to name names

Yeah, fuck it. They think they can intimidate people, they can be named and shamed.

It's about accountability through their reputation; not about threatening. I think it's a bit Bensonite to accuse that of threatening.

But to give out their addresses or other contact details would be. Because that's encouraging retaliation, rather than just naming and shaming.

And let's be honest, these cockheads (the protestors) would love the attention anyway. They're self-involved little shits.

[AndrewV69]

Just to take my mind of kittens and way in with the debate....

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Be cool and follow me Grasshopper.

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[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

Got any kittehs, Jim?

I've got a couple:

http://i.imgur.com/CMJ5G1y.jpg

Is that Rebecca? If so, she just jumped up quite a lot in my esteem. I am of the mind that anyone caring for pets can't be a total asshole. I'm biased, like that.

[Michael K Gray]

Got any kittehs, Jim?

I've got a couple:
http://i.imgur.com/CMJ5G1y.jpg

Is that Rebecca? If so, she just jumped up quite a lot in my esteem. I am of the mind that anyone caring for pets can't be a total asshole. I'm biased, like that.

Yes, that is Watson.
But my feeble memory is nagging at me that she was once put in charge with cat-sitting, and locked them screaming in a basement out of frustration whilst she went to "work".
Perhaps SN remembers this?
In any case, such a narcissistic parasite as Beccy should not be allowed to keep any form of sentient being.

[Tony Parsehole]

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Call me Jack.

Now what that man does to rice IS a fucking crime.

I think he gets away with it coz that plasticy, synthetic stuff in the packets isn't technically rice anymore.

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

Yes, that is Watson.
But my feeble memory is nagging at me that she was once put in charge with cat-sitting, and locked them screaming in a basement out of frustration whilst she went to "work".
Perhaps SN remembers this?
In any case, such a narcissistic parasite as Beccy should not be allowed to keep any form of sentient being.

Err, that needs substantation. If I indeed learn she did what you say she did, I will 1) move her back to the lowest level of esteem I have for people (Hitler ranks 3rd), and 2) contact the relevant authorities as far as animal cruelty is concerned.

[Dick Strawkins]

I find the AVFM hit list to be rather pathetic.

It is basically a private version of a sex offender registry - although in this case it's more of a gender offender registry.

Whatever the merits or problems with having a government run sex offender registry, at least it is run by an accountable authority.
I think it should be obvious why it is going to be inherently problematic if a non-acccountable organization tries to produce it's own registry.
For example, what are the guarantees that the correct information is on the site?
It is easy to get the information wrong, just look at Laden and Mykeru's ex-wife, or the various mistaken attempts to doxx ElevatorGate.

The target for AVFM should not be the protesters - it should be the law enforcement who failed to protect the rights to free speech.
There will always be more protesters. That is not the issue. The issue is whether they are allowed to succeed in stopping free speech due to the inactivity of the security on campus.

[Michael K Gray]

Yes, that is Watson.
But my feeble memory is nagging at me that she was once put in charge with cat-sitting, and locked them screaming in a basement out of frustration whilst she went to "work".
Perhaps SN remembers this?
In any case, such a narcissistic parasite as Beccy should not be allowed to keep any form of sentient being.

Err, that needs substantation. If I indeed learn she did what you say she did, I will 1) move her back to the lowest level of esteem I have for people (Hitler ranks 3rd), and 2) contact the relevant authorities as far as animal cruelty is concerned.

Indeed, it does require factual trans-substantiation.
Whilst I am fairly sure that such an incident occurred years back, I cannot find it via a quick'n'lazy on-line search.
I am semi-confident that Scented Nectar remarked upon it at the time.
Why don't I have a horde of les mignons, indoctrinated to do my tedious work for me?
Perhaps I should become an Ass Prof of Fish-Murdering at the Uni of Woolloomooloo, Bruce?

I will 1) move her back to the lowest level of esteem I have for people (Hitler ranks 3rd), and 2) contact the relevant authorities as far as animal cruelty is concerned.

The levels of hell for selfish animal abusers?
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I cannot see it listed.

[Michael K Gray]

For example, what are the guarantees that the correct information is on the site?

Exactly what I was suggesting about such action being either useless, or outright harmful of the individual, and their loved-ones.
It serves no useful purpose, unless "String 'em up, it'll teach them there niggers a lesson. (spit. Ding!) And that ain't tellin' no one to go ahead and do that, mind y'all in the KKK. (wink) See ya at the next Klan meeting. I'll be the one in the hood." is one's concept of a "useful" action.

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

Dante, Dante really?!? You, sir, are no gentleman!

SN would be most welcome to provide such as has been revealed. Once she wakes up, I guess.

Early mornings at the Pit are some of the loveliest times. No Merkins, except the heavily drunk ones. Guess that makes them honorary Europeans...

[decius]

I find the AVFM hit list to be rather pathetic.

It is basically a private version of a sex offender registry - although in this case it's more of a gender offender registry.

Whatever the merits or problems with having a government run sex offender registry, at least it is run by an accountable authority.
I think it should be obvious why it is going to be inherently problematic if a non-acccountable organization tries to produce it's own registry.
For example, what are the guarantees that the correct information is on the site?
It is easy to get the information wrong, just look at Laden and Mykeru's ex-wife, or the various mistaken attempts to doxx ElevatorGate.

The target for AVFM should not be the protesters - it should be the law enforcement who failed to protect the rights to free speech.
There will always be more protesters. That is not the issue. The issue is whether they are allowed to succeed in stopping free speech due to the inactivity of the security on campus.

I find all forms of vigilantism problematic. Unless one is faced with immediate concrete danger in a state of lawlessness, there is no moral or ethical justification for it, be it digital or physical. Those are basically hit lists under another name and an open invitation for disturbed people to act on them.

No wonder AVFM is listed by someone as a hate site. If they can't see why people take exception, they are either disingenuous or morons.

[Michael K Gray]

Dante, Dante really?!? You, sir, are no gentleman!

You just noticed that? Me oh my you are a bit slow.
Would you have preferred Milton, perhaps? Parrot-dice lost?
Or Satan himself, the Pape?

SN would be most welcome to provide such as has been revealed. Once she wakes up, I guess.
Early mornings at the Pit are some of the loveliest times. No Merkins, except the heavily drunk ones. Guess that makes them honorary Europeans...

It makes them fully naturalised Aussies!
A letter of rejection from AA is a valid passport here, mate.

[Michael K Gray]

... there is no moral or ethical justification for it, be it digital or physical.

Digital is physical.
Ever had a digital medical examination? Or Customs search?

[Trophy]

AVfM has an amazing ability to publish the shitties arguments ever. I'm pretty sure they also (sometimes) publish good stuff but everytime I click on a random article, I groan. Loudly. FUCKING LOUDLY I say.

Take a look at this brilliant masterpiece on marriage:

The pair-bond is not male monopoly but a ‘guarding’ service to the female, and a shackle not on the woman but on the man.

It’s always been assumed that marriage – the cultural ‘encoding’ of an underlying evolved universal facility to pair-bond that underpins any form of non-casual sexual partnership (and not just in humans but generically across nature) – is all about the male securing control over a female’s reproduction; her fertility. Supposedly, the woman is shackled from having sex with other men, providing the husband with a reasonable guarantee than any children are his.

So much for assumption: it’s false. ‘Marriage’ is now being revealed actually to be much more in line with how men have suspected it really works all along.

There would seem to be two complementary aspects underpinning the human pair-bond. First, there is male mate-guarding (to use the biological term). Male mate-guarding is not to keep the female on a tight leash; at least not for the male’s benefit. If functions instead as a service to the female: to keep away ‘losers’. It hardly can be as usually conceived, given that a female has little problem having sex outside the partnership with a male of her choosing when she really wants to.

The problem for the female is that she has no such desire at all for most males; quite the reverse. Yet these much more numerous and lowly males, in being obliged to play a more long-shot game, are the ones most likely to try their luck. In the human case, it’s not that a woman needs a ‘bodyguard’ to ward off rape; though it may be that she could be cajoled into having sex. Perhaps most importantly, even in entirely unproductive courtship the attentions of ‘undesirables’ can displace any interest from the minority of men with whom the woman might be up for a fling, and can stop her spreading her wings to cross their paths.

And on and on it rambles. And gee, I didn't know marriage was more of a shackle to men than women. Someone should tell that to those Pakistani women married to some guy with three other women. A guy who may murder them if he catches them talking to a stranger. Yep. No shackle to the women. Only the men. And I'm not even past the first sentence that this idiot wrote.

[decius]

... there is no moral or ethical justification for it, be it digital or physical.

Digital is physical.
Ever had a digital medical examination? Or Customs search?

The former, just once. You're indeed correct.

[AndrewV69]

In other news:

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[Michael K Gray]

I used to go out with a teacher.
If I wanted to have sex, she always insisted that I put my hand up first.

[decius]

The pit is grinding to a halt.

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

Dante, Dante really?!? You, sir, are no gentleman!

You just noticed that? Me oh my you are a bit slow.
Would you have preferred Milton, perhaps? Parrot-dice lost?

let's keep the trend going, shall we?

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[Philip of Tealand]

The pit is grinding to a halt.

Its a conspiracy.

Probably cooked up by Oolon's Twitter Bot that suddenly became self aware and is on a mission to ban everything.

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

The pit is grinding to a halt.

Its a conspiracy.

Probably cooked up by Oolon's Twitter Bot that suddenly became self aware and is on a mission to ban everything.

Don't you worry, Philip, MKG and I can get this shit going for hours. Israely bread is craptastic...

[Trophy]

Israely bread is craptastic...

That topic is getting old. Let's piss on some French croissant.

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

Israely bread is craptastic...

That topic is getting old. Let's piss on some French croissant.

Austrian croissant, to be fair. Although it seems the legend that it was created to mock the Turkish crescent may be unfounded.

[Michael K Gray]

The pit is grinding to a halt.

Its a conspiracy.

Probably cooked up by Oolon's Twitter Bot that suddenly became self aware and is on a mission to ban everything.

Don't you worry, Philip, MKG and I can get this shit going for hours. Israely bread is craptastic...

Not while I listen to 5 minute long awesome video clips!
(With very effective CGI backgrounds. Or are they really filmed in Hades?)

Ahh, it reminds me of my youth.
(Where has he gone? He promised he'd only be gone for 5 minutes to buy a loaf of, a loaf of, (wait for it parachutiste novice!):-
Israeli Git Bred!
No wonder I have lost my youth. The dépôt de pain was closed.)

[TedDahlberg]

Yes, that is Watson.
But my feeble memory is nagging at me that she was once put in charge with cat-sitting, and locked them screaming in a basement out of frustration whilst she went to "work".
Perhaps SN remembers this?
In any case, such a narcissistic parasite as Beccy should not be allowed to keep any form of sentient being.

Err, that needs substantation. If I indeed learn she did what you say she did, I will 1) move her back to the lowest level of esteem I have for people (Hitler ranks 3rd), and 2) contact the relevant authorities as far as animal cruelty is concerned.

I'm sure someone else recalls more of the details, but unless I'm very far off she took in a stray one night, couldn't handle it, and it ended with her in tears (as I say, I'm hazy on the details). I believe Abbie had something to say about it at the time, so maybe she remembers.

[TedDahlberg]

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[Dan]

Israely bread is craptastic...

That topic is getting old. Let's piss on some French croissant.

Obviously good old Aussie Damper is the best bread. Eat it and you wont shit for days which is handy if you don't like shitting in the bush https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q ... 2523,d.dGY

:hankey:

[Michael K Gray]

Israely bread is craptastic...

That topic is getting old. Let's piss on some French croissant.

Can Pope PZ desecrate a crossant?
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[Michael K Gray]

Obviously good old Aussie Damper is the best bread. Eat it and you wont shit for days which is handy if you don't like shitting in the bush.

Is that what they mean by "go and create your own bread thread. We don't need this shit here."?

[Michael K Gray]

The pit is grinding to a halt.

Its a conspiracy.

Probably cooked up by Oolon's Twitter Bot that suddenly became self aware and is on a mission to ban everything.

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[Dan]

Israely bread is craptastic...

That topic is getting old. Let's piss on some French croissant.

Obviously good old Aussie Damper is the best bread. Eat it and you wont shit for days which is handy if you don't like shitting in the bush https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q ... 2523,d.dGY

:hankey:

[Michael K Gray]

Obviously good old Aussie Damper is the best bread. Eat it and you wont shit for days which is handy if you don't like shitting in the bush

But, apparently, it makes repeat.