If thou gazest long into the Pit, the Pit will also gaze into thee

Mykeru wrote:

Reap wrote:And the next guest on The Angry Atheist podcast will be.....Paul Elam. The world just keeps on spinning around doin whatever the fuck it wants doesn't it? Some people would be better off accepting that fact in some instances..... but it is their life to live, or waste.

I was just answering a question in the A Voice for Men comments where they featured my last video and the follow up.

That Atheism Plus decided to fuck with John the Other, resulting in MRAs and AVfM coming into the coalition of dissent against the baboons, is one of the most joyous of unintended consequences.

Dumbasses.

I didn't even know John the Other existed until they started in on him.

Walter Ego wrote:

cunt wrote:That peace treaty thread devolved into a discussion on whether the term "butt-hurt" is homophobic, with the obvious conclusion that it is.

Speaking of butthurt. Clueless old fart on the JREF forum A+ thread:

The guy with the cow skull? Whoa! And nobody has mentioned it? This one is recent, and about 20 minutes long. It would seem to have taken butthurt to a whole new plateau, so I assume by no responses I'm lacking some info about the history of these folks. Any enlightenment would be appreciated. I'm relatively new to all this.

http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p= ... count=3577

I think you missread. From his previous posts he doesn't seem to be a fan of A+.

Walter Ego wrote:

BarnOwl wrote: I can't even talk to climate change deniers any longer, for more than a few minutes.

Same with me for 9/11 truthers and conspiracy theorists in general.

you may enjoy...

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL ... fS9eJRdgEK

Mykeru wrote:

Walter Ego wrote:

cunt wrote:That peace treaty thread devolved into a discussion on whether the term "butt-hurt" is homophobic, with the obvious conclusion that it is.

Speaking of butthurt. Clueless old fart on the JREF forum A+ thread:

The guy with the cow skull? Whoa! And nobody has mentioned it? This one is recent, and about 20 minutes long. It would seem to have taken butthurt to a whole new plateau, so I assume by no responses I'm lacking some info about the history of these folks. Any enlightenment would be appreciated. I'm relatively new to all this.

http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p= ... count=3577

I think you missread. From his previous posts he doesn't seem to be a fan of A+.

I didn't think he was a kool-aid drinker, I just thought it was amusing that he thought you were butthurt. There are a lot of clueless old white farts on JREF which is why I don't post there much anymore.

Guest wrote:

Walter Ego wrote:

BarnOwl wrote: I can't even talk to climate change deniers any longer, for more than a few minutes.

Same with me for 9/11 truthers and conspiracy theorists in general.

you may enjoy...

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL ... fS9eJRdgEK

Thanks but no thanks. I spend several years, starting in 2008, jousting with conspiratards, mostly on JREF, and have moved on to more productive pursuits.

The final straw was the JREF thread linked below about the JFK assassination which a single troll (enabled by some well-intentioned "debunkers") kept going for over an entire year.

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=222556

PZ Meyers seems to have had the reviews of his pamphlet deleted. LOL cunt.

LMU wrote:
In that spirit, here is Sacha in shades:

bilocation

Superb discovery, LMU. This decoy seems to be convincing. Fascinating, as I don't think she looks much like me at all after a quick glance.

That photograph is rather valuable, as I would never wear those giant Hollywood diva sunglasses. It is a dead giveaway for anyone who knows me.

There are others who appear to truly be my doppelgänger. Those are rather disconcerting to watch from afar. It's almost as if I don't really exist.

It seems this initial experiment is successful...

one day I will simply disappear.

ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:PZ Meyers seems to have had the reviews of his pamphlet deleted. LOL cunt.

They weren't reviews, they were forum postings. Scroll down to about 2/3 thirds of the way down the page.

But yes, LOL cunt.

I'm still musing over the variable response by the FtB/A+/Skepchick crowd toward different derogatory terms. Particularly interested that insults that call out some types of unprivileged status seem to get a pass, while others don't.

Also there were those 2 examples, I think, of participation-policing of people for whom English was not their first language being told not to post; they weren't insults or derogatory terms but presumably demonstrated censuring that would have been jumped on if it were used against someone who lacked status on one of the many A+-approved axes, or (likely) if someone who wasn't "in" used it against someone who was. One was by maiforpeace at A+, and I forget where the other was, maybe Pharyngula.

Putting this together, it seems likely that these relatively well educated people who have English-as-a-first-language* and who have internet access are so focused on issues that affect them & people they know (particularly those related to femaleness, or really anything other than cis-maleness) or ones they've heard about as compelling (in women's studies classes or similar settings, sometimes) - they don't see dissing (a) intelligence/cognitive function and (b) English-as-a-subsequently-learned-language as problematic. In fact, they'll repeatedly tell someone to go back & read the "101" level I&A stuff, without regard to ability to access it, to literally read it, or to comprehend it. (Buying into it is a different matter; that part, they'll assume can be done, with enough repetition.) Not that I worry about people not being able to access or literally be able to read my posts, but then I'm not the one claiming to be all fired up about ensuring access for those disenfranchised, and to be not only recognizing but "checking" privilege wherever it might be found.
(*mostly, at least; I don't know about Jason, for example)


So, anyway, back to use of "moron". Now Xanthë has now joined Oolon in using "morons" freely in the twitter-bot thread, and still noone has commented in that thread about it being derogatory etc:

Re: Dealing With Twitter Trolls : Software Project
Postby Xanthë » Sat Feb 09, 2013 12:02 am

Basically, morons on Twitter are morons. Their view seems to be you have two alternatives for using Twitter:

* Be completely open to everything, including harassment (*freeze peach!*)

* If you don’t like the harassment, get off the fucking internet or make your account private.

And that’s a false dichotomy if ever there was one. Especially when the Twitter service clearly mentions multiple modes for filtering your timeline and connect page, of which making your account private is pretty much the most restrictive option.

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic ... =25#p68993


But then, for all their word- and tone-policing, the A+ forum folks seem to use "crazy" quite a bit (search returns 332 matches): http://atheismplus.com/forums/search.ph ... ords=crazy

And search "crazy pharyngula" for a list of topic posts in which PZ has used "crazy" prominently over the years (titles like "They really are that crazy", "Those crazy people are actually doing it", and so on. Even though Skepchick (well, Elyse at Skepchick) in 9/2012 signaled that "crazy" was not okay. Steve Novella linked a post on his blog as his reply in the comments there, again back in 9/2012 (and my comment that I'd thought never made it out of moderation is there, too).
http://skepchick.org/2012/09/ai-all-thi ... -bullshit/


And finally, check out the feminist-enraging ad that popped up for me at Skepchick just now:
http://i.imgur.com/8vaDCuC.png

The ad probably reflects my searches for a T-shirt for Justin to wear one day at WiS2, but it was worth a big smile to see it up there on the Skepchick site. (Don't worry, Justin, that's not the shirt I'm sending you to wear)

So over at Gene Expression Razib Khan throws down the gauntlet, bitch slaps the Cultural Anthropologists and gets medieval on their collective ass. No he does not mention pond scum like Laden but he does a number on the yahoos currently mobbing Jared Diamond (not that he aproves too much of him either).
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/ ... pologists/

As an aside I was fairly fine with Diamond myself till he got to New Guinea and some of the spokes fell out of the wheels while he was narrating about tribal life there (Note that I say this having only actually read fragments of Mead, but a shit ton more about her, and other sources about Papua, New Guinea so take it for what it is worth, not very much).

Anyway, back to Razib and the yahoolies known as Cultural Anthropologists (think of Laden, but more incoherent, but just as spittle flecked. Remember that Laden identifies with Biocultural Anthropology which tries to pretend it is a bit more sciency and more thinky than "those" people and that is all you need to know right now). Razib is not too terribly impressed with any of that lot :

It’s happening again, another issue of Jared Diamond vs. the anthropologists. Part of this is surely personal. Diamond has been trading in glib and gloss for years, and profitably so, in both financial and fame terms. There is also a deep scholarly divide. Diamond’s way of viewing historical development is reminiscent of, if not equivalent to, materialism. That is, external material forces (geography) and broad macro-historical dynamics (the transition across modes of production) loom large in his thinking. In contrast, many cultural anthropologists disagree with this paradigm, and see it as outmoded, old fashioned, and false. Not that I can decrypt what they believe, because clarity is not something that seems to be valued by cultural anthropologists in most domains.

So far so good, but wait for it, because it starts here:

I say most, because there is one area where many of them are quite clear: they are the beacons of toleration and justice. And they get to define what toleration and justice is. For all cultural anthropology’s epistemological muddle, its political priors are crisp and dinstict, and strangely insulated from the critique and deconstruction so valued by the discipline in all matters.

And then he unloads:

Many cultural anthropologists believe that they have deep normative disagreements with Jared Diamond. In reality I think the chasm isn’t quite that large. But the repeated blows ups with Diamond gets to the reality that cultural anthropology has gone down an intellectual black hole, beyond the event horizon of comprehension, never to recover. It has embraced deconstruction, critique, complexity (or more accurately anti-reductionism) and relativism to such a great extent that whereas in many disciplines social dynamics and political power struggles are an unfortunate consequence of academic life, in cultural anthropology the fixation with power dynamics and structures has resulted in its own self-cannibalization, and overwhelming preoccupation with such issues. Everyone is vulnerable to the cannon blast of critique, and the only value left sacred are particular particular ends (social justice, defined by cultural anthropologists) and axioms (white males are oppressive patriarchs, though white male cultural anthropologists may have engaged in enough self interrogation to take upon themselves the mantle of fighting for the rights of the powerless [i.e., not white males]) which all can agree upon.

I am going to repeat the key phrase here just because:

has gone down an intellectual black hole, beyond the event horizon of comprehension, never to recover.

LMAO!

Anyway, Later on Razib does a followup:
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/ ... pologists/

This misses the point. Many (most?) American cultural anthropologists do not consider themselves scientific. Cultural anthropology as it is practiced in many American universities is not a science, so the standard rules of engagement with science do not apply. Mind you, I have no idea what cultural anthropology is in terms of its systematic definition within a scholarly context. Rather, I know what cultural anthropologists do. Of course the rules of science don’t necessarily apply to history, but logic, a striving toward positivistic objectivity, and good faith must still be brought to the table in that case. I don’t use the same rules for cultural anthropology.

And here is where I thought about the baboons yet once more:
“Calm refutation” has convinced very few Creationists. Science, and scholarship in general, is exceptional in that there is a pretense, sometimes realized, often not, that logic, formal analysis, and inspection of the empirical evidence, are about uncovering the truth about the world out there, rather than personal self-validation or spears in the game of inter-personal signalling and status.

Underline is mine. If you look over at A+ and the baboon board comments, I suspect you will see examples of comments made solely for the purpose of "inter-personal signalling and status" and nothing else. Many of their comments have no intrinsic value or purpose otherwise. I bring this up because my initial and subsequent experience with the baboons was from a transaction analysis perspective, and it took me nearly a year to start seeing the status signalling. I am kind of slow in things human, so this is why it took me awhile to get familiar with baboon culture.

But a lot of you folks identified this before I did and tagged it with descriptive labels, such as "professional victim" and pointed out how the players establish relative status by acquiring negative privilege points.

So I thought some here may find it interesting to see the above quotes, and to note some of the parallels with our own situation.

Rather, I want to focus on the issue that cultural anthropologists as a cultural are a nasty lot with each other and those who tread into their territory, because they have totally erased the line between being advocates for their causes, and being observers of the world around them. Every conflict has grave consequences, with the personal, political, and scholarly are totally enmeshed.

There is more, but I really recommend reading the two articles I listed and the comments.

Anyway, I find myself musing upon the supposition that the baboons are not going to budge unless we move them. And move them we should as a public service if not for ourselves.

If the baboons want truce talks (and I am not saying that they do), my view is that they they would only do so because they are sick and tired of the impediments to their progress and this would be a stalling tactic which they could use to regroup. It is equally clear to me that to enter peace talks with the baboons would be to give ground. I believe if we give ground, this will be our epithet:

gone down an intellectual black hole, beyond the event horizon of comprehension, never to recover.

So, as far as I am concerned, no truce at all. None. Never."Carthago delenda est" indeed.

Skep tickle wrote: And finally, check out the feminist-enraging ad that popped up for me at Skepchick just now:
http://i.imgur.com/8vaDCuC.png

Good gods, she's smokin'! Emegersh, am I objectifying? I just don't know anymore...

AndrewV69 wrote:So over at Gene Expression Razib Khan throws down the gauntlet, bitch slaps the Cultural Anthropologists and gets medieval on their collective ass. No he does not mention pond scum like Laden but he does a number on the yahoos currently mobbing Jared Diamond (not that he aproves too much of him either).

<snip>

So far so good, but wait for it, because it starts here:

I say most, because there is one area where many of them are quite clear: they are the beacons of toleration and justice. And they get to define what toleration and justice is. For all cultural anthropology’s epistemological muddle, its political priors are crisp and dinstict, and strangely insulated from the critique and deconstruction so valued by the discipline in all matters.

<snip>

I am going to repeat the key phrase here just because:

has gone down an intellectual black hole, beyond the event horizon of comprehension, never to recover.

LMAO!

<snip>

There is more, but I really recommend reading the two articles I listed and the comments.

I hadn't heard about that infighting but indeed it sounds familiar. Couple of nice one-liners, as you pointed out.

AndrewV69 wrote:Anyway, I find myself musing upon the supposition that the baboons are not going to budge unless we move them. And move them we should as a public service if not for ourselves.

If the baboons want truce talks (and I am not saying that they do), my view is that they they would only do so because they are sick and tired of the impediments to their progress and this would be a stalling tactic which they could use to regroup. It is equally clear to me that to enter peace talks with the baboons would be to give ground. I believe if we give ground, this will be our epithet:

gone down an intellectual black hole, beyond the event horizon of comprehension, never to recover.

So, as far as I am concerned, no truce at all. None. Never."Carthago delenda est" indeed.

They consider us to be evil personified and their other detractors only a smidgeon less bad, in large part for critiquing them and calling out their hypocrisy. They claim to be rational & skeptical, but aren't acting that way. I simply don't see how a truce could possibly work, though a crisis that diverted our mutual attention to (or, back to) an obviously more pressing common 'enemy' might help.

ReneeHendricks wrote:

Zenspace wrote:

ReneeHendricks wrote:Grrr. Having a Twitter back-and-forth with Oolon. Clearly I'm a masochist. Oh, and his whole 5 months of Twitter experience clearly trumps my 5 *years*. Fucking idiot.

Clearly. I live a much happier life since I learned not to waste my time engaging with assholes who will never change their minds or ways through constructive discourse.

Yeah, I shouldn't have engaged him. The thing is, this little project of his will end up with people being suspended. And he's clearly too stupid to realize this.

Report as spam. I did.

Mr Danksworth wrote:

Skep tickle wrote: And finally, check out the feminist-enraging ad that popped up for me at Skepchick just now:
http://i.imgur.com/8vaDCuC.png

Good gods, she's smokin'! Emegersh, am I objectifying? I just don't know anymore...

LOL, I read that & looked at her hand to see if there was a cigarette in it...

EdwardGemmer wrote:

acathode wrote:

Jack wrote:Kickstarter relies on the goodwill of people to get projects off the ground. In my opinion she abused that goodwill so far. She may come up with something that's great but I won't be holding my breath. At best she stopped her project from being taken up by someone who would have at least done something by now. She has probably closed that door for them.

As far as I see it, the ones who potentially are getting scammed are feminists who wanted to pay for propaganda that they could use to strong-arm their toxic brand of feminism into the gaming community. If Sarkeesian screw them over, I'm going to feel soooo sorry for them.... :roll:

Frankly, I view Sarkeesian as a blessing in disguise. She's managed to become "the gaming feminist" in the media, while being completely shit at what she does. Her videos are bad, with factual errors, sloppy research, and arguments so bad that a 14 year old schoolboy can tear them apart. Hell, unlike Sarkeesian, that 14 yo boy has probably actually played the game that she's spewing shit over, and can see exactly how full of crap she is. She and her videos are brim full of the sort of feminism that makes people go "Gosh, I thought feminism was just about equality, not this sort of bat-shit crazy stuff".

On top of that, she's extremely close to becoming the most famous scammer in video-game history, while simultaniously taking a dump on the very popular Kickstarter site. If I wanted to inoculate a generation of gamers against toxic feminism, I couldn't have thought up a better way to do it.

I don't agree with that. Her videos are pretty interesting and while sometimes get a bit preachy, they tend to avoid demonizing the people she is targeting. For example, her video about the Bechdel Test explicitly stated that trying to judge movies or their makers based on the test was a poor use. Instead, it should be used to look at Hollywood as a whole and the lack of important roles for women. It presented a point, argued it fairly and convincingly, and did a good job. I hope her video game series is equally as interesting.

I agree. Her videos are not too bad and they give an interesting perspective. My biggest problem is that these gender-studies or whatever, don't really sound like a precise or a rigorous area and more based on opinions.

Git wrote:

Gumby wrote:
Yes, that is Stimpy. Dumb as a bag of hammers but adorable.

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd24 ... b00e86.jpg

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd24 ... 1e59fa.jpg

He's absolutely magnificent, and from the way he drapes that paw, he knows it too. Please give him some fuss from me.

(yes, I left the pictures in deliberately, there's been too much non-kitteh action in the pit recently)

Damn right! More kittehs (and snakes)

Submariner wrote:Her first video is due to be released soon, at least that's what her page says. Prediction: She won't mention the way males are stereotyped, or just killed because someone had to die in that scene. Oh no, it'll be all about how female characters are over-sexualized, or stereotyped. Another equity feminist failing. If it kills a man it's fine, but Holy Jebus if a woman shows too much fucking cleavage.

Oh no! Sombody should stop all those males from being killed in video games! It's a male genocide and if this rate continues, we might run out of males in video games. We might already be past the "Peak male".

Michael K Gray wrote:This may be of interest to PZ, because he appears to have been EXPELLED from the stellar cast list!

'The Unbelievers' follows renowned scientists Richard Dawkins and Lawrence Krauss across the globe as they speak publicly about the importance of science and reason in the modern world - encouraging others to cast off antiquated religious and politically motivated approaches toward important current issues.

Well it said science and reason. And PZ doesn't do either. Although I'm mystified what the fuck Ricky Gervais is doing in that list.

Currently listening to the audiobook of On Bullshit, an essay by philosopher Harry Frankfurt, which has some insights applicable to the baboons.

Bullshit can either be true or false but bullshitters aim primarily to impress and persuade their audiences, and in general are unconcerned with the truth or falsehood of their statements (it is because of this that Frankfurt concedes that "the bullshitter is faking things", but that "this does not necessarily mean he gets them wrong"). While liars need to know the truth to better conceal it, bullshitters, interested solely in advancing their own agendas, have no use for the truth. Thus, Frankfurt claims, "...bullshit is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_Bullshit

I would say the baboons are mostly bullshitters but do stoop to lying if it fits their agenda.

The 25 page essay is available online as a pdf document.

http://www.linguistik.tu-berlin.de/file ... lshit..pdf

Trophy wrote:

Michael K Gray wrote:This may be of interest to PZ, because he appears to have been EXPELLED from the stellar cast list!

'The Unbelievers' follows renowned scientists Richard Dawkins and Lawrence Krauss across the globe as they speak publicly about the importance of science and reason in the modern world - encouraging others to cast off antiquated religious and politically motivated approaches toward important current issues.

Well it said science and reason. And PZ doesn't do either. Although I'm mystified what the fuck Ricky Gervais is doing in that list.

Gervais is an out-of-the-closet atheist and a popular comedian. He's in the film for the same reason Woody Allen and Bill Pullman are in the film... name recognition and marquee value.

AndrewV69 wrote:So over at Gene Expression Razib Khan throws down the gauntlet, bitch slaps the Cultural Anthropologists and gets medieval on their collective ass. No he does not mention pond scum like Laden but he does a number on the yahoos currently mobbing Jared Diamond (not that he aproves too much of him either).

I haven't read his stuff in year, after he posted some pretty racist shit. Has he gotten better or is he still a piece of shit? Just curious. FYI I think it's been about 6-10 years maybe - not sure when he started or when I picked up and read it, so it's been a long, long time.

http://i.imgur.com/MBPy25C.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/lqtEarA.jpg

Well, @secular_Steve went missing and surfaced in Somalia. I'd like to congratulate ool0n or friends for kindly relieving me of this twitter ID.
Quick! Call the twitter cops! :violin:

In other news: I made a coffee and there's no milk in the fridge.

ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:PZ Meyers seems to have had the reviews of his pamphlet deleted. LOL cunt.

The Canadian Amazon site has dropped ten bucks off of the original hardcover price, from (Cdn) $27.95 down to $17.52. I guess it wasn't making any sales at the original price. "You Save: CDN$ 10.43 (37%)". The vapourware is said to be due again this coming August.

It also lists a paperback version. "Happy Atheist the Air Exp [Paperback]". I don't know what Air Exp means, but it was supposed to come out last month. It has no image available, not even the lame Darwin fish cover that the hardcover has. It gives no price for the paperback.
http://www.amazon.ca/s/ref=sr_nr_seeall ... 1360404566

"There are no customer reviews yet. This item has not yet been released and is not eligible to be reviewed."

Reap wrote:And the next guest on The Angry Atheist podcast will be.....Paul Elam. The world just keeps on spinning around doin whatever the fuck it wants doesn't it? Some people would be better off accepting that fact in some instances..... but it is their life to live, or waste.

Paul Elam? that's going to fire up the FTBers!

How about you try a new theme song for The Angry Atheist, just for this episode :D

[youtube]0QPX5FOiyb0[/youtube]

UnbelieveSteve wrote:Well, @secular_Steve went missing and surfaced in Somalia. I'd like to congratulate ool0n or friends for kindly relieving me of this twitter ID.
Quick! Call the twitter cops! :violin:

In other news: I made a coffee and there's no milk in the fridge.

Damn the coffee, I'm still waiting with tense excitement for all this howling we're supposed to be doing. What's the delay? Do we have to tie in with the full moon or something? I like a good howl and you lot have ruined it.

Jack wrote:

UnbelieveSteve wrote:Well, @secular_Steve went missing and surfaced in Somalia. I'd like to congratulate ool0n or friends for kindly relieving me of this twitter ID.
Quick! Call the twitter cops! :violin:

In other news: I made a coffee and there's no milk in the fridge.

Damn the coffee, I'm still waiting with tense excitement for all this howling we're supposed to be doing. What's the delay? Do we have to tie in with the full moon or something? I like a good howl and you lot have ruined it.

I haven't been able to figure out how many fucks i need to buy so i'm properly prepared to give them for ool0n's experiment.

Jan Steen wrote:http://i.imgur.com/uy2nXt6.jpg

LOL

I was reading a newspaper article the other day about that terrible rape case in India. The article mentioned the terrible injuries suffered by the women and it reminded me of something - a quote from somebody calling for the same sort of disgusting mutilation of others. It took me a while to remember who it was before it suddenly clicked into place.

Brownian, or as he is now known, Anthony K.

http://i.imgur.com/FhKJR.jpg

But, of course, WE are the immoral ones. :roll:

Dick Strawkins wrote:I was reading a newspaper article the other day about that terrible rape case in India. The article mentioned the terrible injuries suffered by the women and it reminded me of something - a quote from somebody calling for the same sort of disgusting mutilation of others. It took me a while to remember who it was before it suddenly clicked into place.

Brownian, or as he is now known, Anthony K.

http://i.imgur.com/FhKJR.jpg

But, of course, WE are the immoral ones. :roll:

When a few months ago PZ had a piece about a girl in Pakistan being murdered with acid (by her mother for looking at a boy), the same Anthony K. protested that PZ was othering the poor people and that he was engaging in torture porn. The hypocrisy is monumental in that guy.

Jan Steen wrote:

Dick Strawkins wrote:I was reading a newspaper article the other day about that terrible rape case in India. The article mentioned the terrible injuries suffered by the women and it reminded me of something - a quote from somebody calling for the same sort of disgusting mutilation of others. It took me a while to remember who it was before it suddenly clicked into place.

Brownian, or as he is now known, Anthony K.

http://i.imgur.com/FhKJR.jpg

But, of course, WE are the immoral ones. :roll:

When a few months ago PZ had a piece about a girl in Pakistan being murdered with acid (by her mother for looking at a boy), the same Anthony K. protested that PZ was othering the poor people and that he was engaging in torture porn. The hypocrisy is monumental in that guy.

Found it. This is the comment:

What? I don’t understand the relationship between PZ’s intent and my reaction? Seriously–I don’t even know what you’re trying to get at. Are you saying that my reaction—either to the OP or the responses—is somehow valid or invalid based on what PZ may have meant to say?

Look, you were the one who brought in PZ’s intent after you told people what was an invalid reaction.

I’m trying to ascertain just what the fucking point of these stories are.

There seems to be some belief that there’s a perfect centrist midpoint between ethnocentrism (bad!) and cultural relativism (bad!) and that the appropriate perspective of “well adjusted, normal people” (whatever the fuck those are supposed to embody), is something that we’re supposed to have.

Well, I want to know what it is. And if it’s more than mere revulsion at real-life instances of torture porn, I’d like to hear exactly how religion is supposed to tie in here in any meaningful way.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ent-487276

I see that the word 'othering' was actually used by commenter Ing, but Anthony K./Brownian then wrote that Ing made the point well.

Jan Steen wrote:

Dick Strawkins wrote:I was reading a newspaper article the other day about that terrible rape case in India. The article mentioned the terrible injuries suffered by the women and it reminded me of something - a quote from somebody calling for the same sort of disgusting mutilation of others. It took me a while to remember who it was before it suddenly clicked into place.

Brownian, or as he is now known, Anthony K.

http://i.imgur.com/FhKJR.jpg

But, of course, WE are the immoral ones. :roll:

When a few months ago PZ had a piece about a girl in Pakistan being murdered with acid (by her mother for looking at a boy), the same Anthony K. protested that PZ was othering the poor people and that he was engaging in torture porn. The hypocrisy is monumental in that guy.

he went to school to learn how to write that....

TheMan wrote: he went to school to learn how to write that....

Yup, Pharyngula Primary School. Head teacher Mrs Myers.

Quick question: what would you turn a bakery into, knowing there are already 2 bakeries within 100 meters.

Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:Quick question: what would you turn a bakery into, knowing there are already 2 bakeries within 100 meters.

A bakery wholesaler.

Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:Quick question: what would you turn a bakery into, knowing there are already 2 bakeries within 100 meters.

You can never have enough bakeries... assuming it has all the equipment. I'd look at what they do that can be done better and bake things they are not baking. I've been known to travel many kilometres because of the way one bakery makes a sausage roll.... and travel to another one because of the way they make a croissant.

People appreciate quality and care in baked goods

Dick Strawkins wrote:I was reading a newspaper article the other day about that terrible rape case in India. The article mentioned the terrible injuries suffered by the women and it reminded me of something - a quote from somebody calling for the same sort of disgusting mutilation of others. It took me a while to remember who it was before it suddenly clicked into place.

Brownian, or as he is now known, Anthony K.

http://i.imgur.com/FhKJR.jpg

But, of course, WE are the immoral ones. :roll:

Yes, calling people cunts = misogynist piece of shit human beings with no morals, telling people that you hope they die from brutal sexual violence = morally superior social justice warrior grade A+ material.

The whole idea that a "frothing at the mouth"-rabbid little clique of people, who made telling people to shove rotten porcupines up their asses into a meme while in general being nastier and more vicious than most theists and creationsts, are running around and trying to police people's language so that others don't say bad word that scare away women from participating in the A/S community... would be seriously funny, if it wasn't so sad to see the real damage they are causing.

Honestly, if there ever was a group that made people think twice about visiting an A/S con, it has to be the vitriolic Pharyngula community. At least I know I went from "A/S cons sounds cool and fun" to "I wouldn't want to visit a place where I would risk meeting these loons in real life" after reading phanryngula for a week during the tf00t drama.

Sorry I missed replied to this, so this is a bit late:

TedDahlberg wrote:There's a lovely misogyny debate going on in Sweden right now. It seems to be going along the same lines as the A/S "debate" on the topic. Which means it's impossible to tell who is being sincere and who is grabbing the opportunity for attention.

I don't doubt that there is a problem, but I don't think I'll surprise anyone here when I say that I think it's a troll problem rather than a misogyny problem. To say so, of course, is all but impossible in the current conversational climate without being shouted down. It's bad enough in the atheist community (and I'm getting more and more convinced that it is, or began as, more an atheist problem than a sceptic problem), but to see it play out in an entire nation's media… it's disconcerting to say the least.

The people in question aren't trolls, at least in the classical sense that they are doing what they're doing because they want to get reactions or derail or just sabotage the conversation.
Much of it is simply anonymity removing inhibitions that keep people from being complete dicks, but that's not the whole picture. A lot of these people are more like, for example, Brownian above, or the other pharyngulites, that genuinely hate the people they are telling to go die/get raped, etc.

Now, there truly is a problem, but unfortunately the media seem more interested in making this into a the "Swedish Democrats"-voters are misogynists that are threatening leftists women who dares to speak in open, rather than actually looking at the problem in a honest manner. The truth is that this sort of hate is directed at everyone, men and women, left and right.

Hell, even my old dad has gotten a few death threats from animal right activists for simply being a hunter who dared to comment on some hunter-related news article. He can barely handle a computer, and he was quite taken aback by the sheer hate and got very upset, in his world this just isn't how human beings interact with each other (and being a construction worker, it's not like he can't handle crude language). I eventually had to explain to him that he shouldn't pay to much attention to it, that it's just the way some (young) people are on the internet, where their anonymity is combined with their sense of being morally absolutely right and their hate for those that are "objectively morally wrong" (ie. "the bad guys").

If there's any difference, it's that the hate from the left/progressive is more "ok", so that you can even see it cheered on in editorials in national newspapers.

Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:Quick question: what would you turn a bakery into, knowing there are already 2 bakeries within 100 meters.

A pizzeria.

Dan wrote:I thought I'd leave this nugget here from A news reports http://anr.apartmentj.com/?p=894

http://twitpic.com/proxy/web15/img/7289 ... scaled.png

I replied to M's modest proposal by saying that as someone who meets all his political terms, I had some reservations about A+, namely that their approach to social justice was coo-coo bananas. No response from M yet, but I had some feedback from another commenter.

throwaway wrote:

I wrote:I was responding to M who didn’t present any ‘methodology’ either, yet you only demand it from me, and in the next breath assume that I don’t have any. I’m left to conclude that you’re not arguing in good faith.

This is in good faith: to prove my assertions wrong and such, you fail to say anything which would convince me otherwise? What I said wasn’t an entirely foregone conclusion of my own, merely a hypothesis based on the already present lack of rigor by which you apply your skepticism (especially if it allows you to malign the mentally ill by utilizing ‘cuckoo’ in a derogatory way while at the same time calling yourself a progressive – what???)

Hahahaha!

I need a cup of rape.

decius wrote:I need a cup of rape.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... pedia3.JPG

Thanks Windy.

Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:Quick question: what would you turn a bakery into, knowing there are already 2 bakeries within 100 meters.

If you can do them right then I imagine a place that specialised in making decent bagels could thrive?

Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:Quick question: what would you turn a bakery into, knowing there are already 2 bakeries within 100 meters.

If it is city centre i would open one of 4 things:
Soft play area for kids (big profits, big outlay and requires a fair bit of space)
Fromagerie/Charcuterie (bakeries have excellent dry facilities for storage of cheese and dry meats)
Coffee shop with knitting/reading space/internet access (selling yarn and 2nd hand books.)
Sex shop/opium den (y'know do what you love) j/k-ish

Dick Strawkins wrote:I was reading a newspaper article the other day about that terrible rape case in India. The article mentioned the terrible injuries suffered by the women and it reminded me of something - a quote from somebody calling for the same sort of disgusting mutilation of others. It took me a while to remember who it was before it suddenly clicked into place.

Brownian, or as he is now known, Anthony K.

http://i.imgur.com/FhKJR.jpg

But, of course, WE are the immoral ones. :roll:

One for the FtBVA (FtB Violence Archive).

"Twix helps dicks get chicks?" (current headline over at Skepchick).

OMG hateful sexist gendered slurs! /derp.

Michael K Gray wrote:

katamari Damassi wrote:Incidentally the comments section of the post on this film at Aint it Cool News is full of butthurt christians who say that William Lane Craig kicked Dawkins' ass in a debate and now Dawkins' dodges him, and that there is much evidence to support theism, though the commentor doesn't produce that evidence.

Christians are learning from Pharyngula about standards of non-evidence required to lie through their teeth.

I'd posit the lesson flowed the other direction

Jan Steen wrote:

Dick Strawkins wrote:I was reading a newspaper article the other day about that terrible rape case in India. The article mentioned the terrible injuries suffered by the women and it reminded me of something - a quote from somebody calling for the same sort of disgusting mutilation of others. It took me a while to remember who it was before it suddenly clicked into place.

Brownian, or as he is now known, Anthony K.

http://i.imgur.com/FhKJR.jpg

But, of course, WE are the immoral ones. :roll:

When a few months ago PZ had a piece about a girl in Pakistan being murdered with acid (by her mother for looking at a boy), the same Anthony K. protested that PZ was othering the poor people and that he was engaging in torture porn. The hypocrisy is monumental in that guy.

And yet WE are the nexus of violence

Illuminata, Genie in the Beer Bottle wrote:Since his only motivation in going to WIS2 is to shit on the conference and further his derange misogynistic agenda, are the WIS organizers concerned at all about what he might do to get head pats from the AVFBigots? I would be. He’s going to deliberately try to start shit. He will absolutely try to upset and/or humiliate any of his favorite female targets or, pull of Steven Crowder and pretend that women attacked him and then show off his extremely edited video of being “attacked”.

Given that he writes for a misogynistic hate site, I can’t believe they’d even sell him a ticket. Exactly how does letting a deranged misogynist in making women want to be part of this movement, exactly?

http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterflies ... /target-2/

Zenspace wrote:

Dick Strawkins wrote:I was reading a newspaper article the other day about that terrible rape case in India. The article mentioned the terrible injuries suffered by the women and it reminded me of something - a quote from somebody calling for the same sort of disgusting mutilation of others. It took me a while to remember who it was before it suddenly clicked into place.

Brownian, or as he is now known, Anthony K.

http://i.imgur.com/FhKJR.jpg

But, of course, WE are the immoral ones. :roll:

One for the FtBVA (FtB Violence Archive).

Already there. There'll also be another missive-of-sweetness-and-light from the virgin Ian Brown joining it very soon, too...

unintentional comedy is best comedy

sacha wrote:

LMU wrote:
In that spirit, here is Sacha in shades:

bilocation

Superb discovery, LMU. This decoy seems to be convincing. Fascinating, as I don't think she looks much like me at all after a quick glance.

That photograph is rather valuable, as I would never wear those giant Hollywood diva sunglasses. It is a dead giveaway for anyone who knows me.

There are others who appear to truly be my doppelgänger. Those are rather disconcerting to watch from afar. It's almost as if I don't really exist.

It seems this initial experiment is successful...

one day I will simply disappear.

No, no, no... Like THIS:

http://www.wcoa.info/sachacrow.jpg

I must congratulate Clownshoe and his co-host for the excellent Full Frontal Zealotry podcasts.

Minnie The Finn wrote:If Ben Stiller, Adam Sandler and Jim Carrey were eviscerated and their guts spread along the length of the Equator, it would be a nice start.

ChasCPeterson wrote:[Just a general heads-up: some of those context-denying rascals at the sl*mep*t are collecting pullquotes indicative of the 'violent fantasies' of FtB commenters. It's some kind of gotcha-hypcrisy thing, as usual. Bullshit but you should know.]

I will sign on enthusiastically to the last two, but Stiller gets a lifetime pass from me for this. ymmv.

Minnie The Finn wrote:Chas: thanks for the heads-up, I should be more careful. Luckily I haven’t crossed their radar yet, due to my general silence here lately. But a girl can dream…

Glad to oblige, Minnie :)

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... 1/#respond

Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:Quick question: what would you turn a bakery into, knowing there are already 2 bakeries within 100 meters.

Brothel...

That serves pastries by topless wimminz

This is beautiful:

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windy wrote:unintentional comedy is best comedy

myfinanciallife.png

That cannot be real! :lol:

Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:Quick question: what would you turn a bakery into, knowing there are already 2 bakeries within 100 meters.

Coffee shop?