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[AnonymousCowherd]

Louis is British.

So, how do we criticize him without being accused of homophobia?

:rimshot:

Only rad-fems promote fear of men. Or is that fear of sameness? Or maybe fear of whores with moustachios?

[jimthepleb]

@cowherd I've just sussed out the pun in your name.
Fucken hell i'm a dumbass.
I assumed you were another dairyman like me. LOL
as my old man always says: 'assumption is the mother of all fuckups'

[AnonymousCowherd]

I always thought the one poster, with the "call a friend if you feel the need to rape someone" was a bit of a goof with a decent point. It amused me, and that was about all the thought i gave it.

So then it's OK to rape yer friends?

[jimthepleb]

I always thought the one poster, with the "call a friend if you feel the need to rape someone" was a bit of a goof with a decent point. It amused me, and that was about all the thought i gave it.

So then it's OK to rape yer friends?

as long as you give them a reacharound
that's just polite

[Jan Steen]

Nabbed it.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterflies ... ent-433765

http://i.imgur.com/GzcGfnb.png

Like this?

http://i.imgur.com/S600M32.jpg

[AnonymousCowherd]

ElevatorGATE can be a bit of an idiot at times, but sometimes, he captures some wonderful Baboon bloopers. In this Twitter exchange, Aratina Cage attempts to intimidate Hayley Stevens using the "guilt by association" gambit. Cage is in full throttle mode until Rhys Morgan steps in to defend Hayley. Obviously, this rebuke from one of the Baboon's favourite sons dents the confidence of poor old Cagey, as you can see from his last post!

http://storify.com/ElevatorGATE/convers ... and-rhysmo

:lol:

Ahh, the Slymepit - no longer a forum, but a climate of opinion.

[AndrewV69]

I will just leave this one here:

http://www.avoiceformen.com/misandry/th ... se-to-see/

Remember the controversy in the feminist blogosphere over strange men talking to women in an elevator? Reverse the sexes and I lived it. For me, the issue wasn’t hypothetical or used to demonstrate which gender has it worse with regard to potential sexual violence. It was based on an actual trauma response. The back and forth over why men should expect to be viewed as rapists by women in elevators took on a whole new level of offensive when viewed through the lens of my own experience.

[AnonymousCowherd]

But that's the funny thing, isn't it Richard? You people never attack actual arguments. You just keep typing stupid acronyms to make yourself appear to be soooo intellectually superior, and you toss out words like "fallacy" in the same buzzword fashion that the A+ forumers use words like "privilege"

This annoys me to no end, especially since there's a list of formal and informal fallacies on Wikipedia. Anything not on that list is not a fallacy.

Carrier is one of the ultimate examples of arguing from authority. If you disagree with Richard Carrier, clearly the fault is yours, because Richard Carrier cannot be wrong.

For fuck's sake, read the fucking bio on the page. That tells you everything you'd ever need to know about the unctuous toad.

Carrrier's voice when I read his posts is somehow familiar...

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/imag ... -jCn-rbipg

[mikelf]

I suspected. Sometimes it hits me just how bizarre we are to the rest of the world. I convinced my husband we could get away with saying we were Canadian when we travelled around Europe for two weeks in 2010. I think it helped that we both have some foreign language skills. No one expects that from the 'Mericans.

On behalf of actual Canadians, fuck you. What is it about Americans and their need to co-opt everything? Either get some pride in where you come from or move here. You can't have it both ways.

Oh, bless your heart.

[Jan Steen]

Hey, Francisco Bacopa, I can supply you with lots of addresses in Southeast Texas. Just look in the telephone directory.

But why limit yourself to painting butterflies on driveways? To me that comes across as a bit amateurish. Putting the head of a horse in people's beds may be more of a deterrent. And Ophelia has a fan in Scotland who is an expert on kneecapping. That should do the trick as well. The two of you might want to get in touch to coordinate your actions.

By the way, when did you become a 'made' man? Say hello to Don Michael from me.

[AnonymousCowherd]

Obviously. Shes done precisely that ("The speaker feels uncomfortable so you cant come").

I'd love to be wrong, and see Justin welcomed and allowed to participate. however the childish behavior I've seen from the other side and various signals they've already sent suggest he's going to be removed.

I don't waste time trying to attend parties I'm not invited to. Something I learned in high school.

He'll be shunned, until someone breaks the Omerta and starts yelling at him. Then he'll be removed for making that person unconfortable.

As a man, I just wouldn't feel comfortable at this convention. I'd want to see what policies they had in place to ensure my safety.

[Jan Steen]

Francesco Bacopa's post just shouts for a dramatic reading, with music from The Godfather as soundtrack.

[AnonymousCowherd]

Obviously. Shes done precisely that ("The speaker feels uncomfortable so you cant come").

I'd love to be wrong, and see Justin welcomed and allowed to participate. however the childish behavior I've seen from the other side and various signals they've already sent suggest he's going to be removed.

I don't waste time trying to attend parties I'm not invited to. Something I learned in high school.

Again, the e-mail that matters here is rlindsay@centerforinquiry.net so please feel free to write him a quick note saying that you expect CFI to live up to their bold words, “No topic should be placed off limits to scrutiny.”

But facts don't matter. What happens with Justin will be played out as a piece of political theatre, which is fine, as long as you keep that in mind and have some sort of script worked out in advance. His opposition own the theatre and are crowdsourcing the mis-en-scene as we speak.

[VickyCaramel]

Francesco Bacopa's post just shouts for a dramatic reading, with music from The Godfather as soundtrack.

[youtube]wP0mXUCqOCc[/youtube]

This guy!

[AnonymousCowherd]

Shrodingerstherapist over at /r/slymepit is asking people to create some "Overly manly Greg bin Laden" memes. Here's what I came up with:

http://i.qkme.me/3sonvw.jpg

Ugh! The best thing about that it that the text nearly covers his face.

Is he snarling out of one side of his mouth - or just been to the dentist?

[Tony Parsehole]

Shrodingerstherapist over at /r/slymepit is asking people to create some "Overly manly Greg bin Laden" memes. Here's what I came up with:

http://i.qkme.me/3sonvw.jpg

I love me a Laden meme. Simply because they piss Ol' Greg off so much.
Contribootin'
http://memecrunch.com/meme/E4T4/greg-ob ... /image.png

[Tony Parsehole]

Francesco Bacopa's post just shouts for a dramatic reading, with music from The Godfather as soundtrack.

It needs a Bane from The Dark Knight Rises voice.

[AnonymousCowherd]

Dear 'pitters,

Sorry to be such a useless old fart, but I'm going to have to bow out. I know, I know, what a tool. My bad I'm afraid, I haven't the time to do an effective job of being the "lone voice" against the "mob" (not that I'm a lone voice and you're a mob, but you know what I mean). I am afflicted with SIWOTI syndrome too badly not to want to right every damned wrong I see, and I haven't the time for that sort of investment. It might be easier without all the attempts at "gotcha" and playground grabass, but let's be blunt, that occurs everywhere, it's not you lot particularly. Cheers for the opportunity though.

I'll do my bit of the bargain, i.e. I'll check before I believe you're all a bunch of evil whassnames (which let's be blunt I did anyway), and you do your bit. Au revoir.

Louis

Why doesn't this surprise me in the least?? Ahh Louis I was gonna offer to buy you a drink too....

Perhaps he got a quiet word that his presence here might be giving us a good name, and it was time to come back to East Germany home in case others of the Whored got ideas. It was for his own good, of course, since the banhammer, like the Berlin wall, was created solely for the protection of those hiding behind it.

[TheMan]

Shrodingerstherapist over at /r/slymepit is asking people to create some "Overly manly Greg bin Laden" memes. Here's what I came up with:

http://i.qkme.me/3sonvw.jpg

fuck this is funnier even after the second reading. Congrats you funny cunt

[Tony Parsehole]

http://memecrunch.com/meme/E4TY/you-hav ... /image.png

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

http://memecrunch.com/meme/E4TY/you-hav ... /image.png

...so let's paint butterflies on their driveways!

[Tony Parsehole]

http://memecrunch.com/meme/E4TY/you-hav ... /image.png

...so let's paint butterflies on their driveways!

I admit to quote mining the choice parts.

[jimthepleb]

[youtube]oCxVKGl__lA[/youtube]
Following from vicky's vid above, the following came up in my suggestions. Full of extremely useful wooing techniques for the modern SJW.

[AnonymousCowherd]

I have an idea to stop car thieves. We raise millions of pounds and run a bunch of adverts informing them that car thievery is just wrong. That just because somebody has left an iPhone 5 on the front seat of their car, that DOES NOT excuse you from breaking the window and taking it. That's bad. Then we get super pissy at the other PSAs put out by the police that victim blame people into taking precautions.

Alternatively, we take the money and set it on fire.

Pretty weak analogy. First of all, when was the last time a defendant said "I couldn't resist stealing that phone because it was so enticing!" and got off the hook?

Obviously the feminist poster is an over exaggeration of the problem, that of rape apology, but the thought process it is ridiculing isn't without precedent.

You're not familiar with the French justice system, are you?

I've certainly seen even serious non-sexual assault charges dismissed after claims that "the other guy started it".

Brain Box - you aren't from Aberystwyth are you?

[BarnOwl]

I used to live in a small English town which was touristy, but also had a connection with early American history. So we got lots of French and Germans, and a load of American tourist. One thing I noticed is that while most tourists come to learn about our country, Americans seem to come here to tell us about our country. I once followed an American around a Regimental Museum for about half an hour while he played at being a tour guide. As the crowd grew, he became louder and more animated with his history lessons. It was highly amusing as he was wrong about virtually everything which was evident to anybody reading the labels on the exhibits. He was a bit like a Harry Enfield or Fastshow character... he gave you that feeling of 'I have met this guy before' as he seemed an stereotype which was so familiar.

I've never done anything like that in any of my travels to Europe (outside of North America, the only place I've traveled) or during the years I lived in the UK.

But I'm a chameleon type and dislike drawing attention to myself. In any context.

[aweraw]

[spoiler]http://memecrunch.com/meme/E4TY/you-hav ... /image.png[/spoiler]

Oh man, that's gold

[AnonymousCowherd]

All I need to say is Miss Fisher's Murder Mysteries.

http://www.abc.net.au/tv/phrynefisher/i ... llery8.jpg

That's torn it -now you've gone and made another death threat against Coprophilia.

What's that, a dozen or more today? We must be slipping.

[Gumby]

http://freethoughtblogs.com/lousycanuck ... atriarchy/

Here’s an interesting app for a number of browsers that lets you, with the click of a button, swap all the pronouns and gendered words (save for slurs, for some reason) in order to get a different perspective on the thing you’re reading. It makes for an interesting juxtaposition to see how male and female politicians are described in general discourse, for instance.
And take any arbitrary story about sexism, and you’ll end up with something that would get MRAs’ blood boiling:

Yesterday, a man by the name of Gabrielle Toledano – evidently a human resources manager for EA games – wrote a rather confusing and deeply problematic op-ed for Forbes outlining why, in his estimation, sexism isn’t responsible for the dearth of men in gaming. To quote his opening remarks:

It’s easy to blame women for not creating an attractive work environment – but I think that’s a cop-out. If we want more men to work in games, we have to recognize that the problem isn’t sexism.
…The issue I have is that the video game industry is being painted as more sexist than other female-dominated workforces. I know sexism exists, but the issue isn’t just in video games. And it’s not what’s holding us back.
Nonetheless, there are still too few men working in my company, so it’s clear there is an issue to fix. Rather than blame the majority just because they are the majority, I believe the solution starts with us – men.

Which is, frankly, one of the most flippant, useless and blithely ignorant summaries of the problem I’ve ever had the misfortune to encounter.

Completely changes your perspective on things, doesn’t it?
The original Chrome extension written by Danielle Sucher was also ported to Safari and the cross-platform cross-browser Greasemonkey, so no need to feel left out of the fun.
And there’s also a Jailbreak the Binary app to scrub out all references to gender. Take Katy Perry’s hit:
I kissed a person and I liked it,
the taste of hir cherry chapstick.
I kissed a person just to try it,
I hope my significant other don’t mind it.
I’ve got both installed, and am going to make a point of enabling it on all my posts when doing re-reads of drafts. I think it’ll pay dividends in my writing, possibly.

:violin:

(Seriously, though, but what in the actual fuck?)

Jason Thibeault and his fellow lunatics aren't going to be satisfied until everyone is a genderless, no-personality, humorless, politically correct blob of mostly inert protoplasm.

[Trophy]

I will just leave this one here:

http://www.avoiceformen.com/misandry/th ... se-to-see/

Sure, men get raped too. But anyone who thinks the following is a fucking moron:

It is astonishing how much our culture seeks to deny any possibility that a woman may rape with her vagina. But of course, as survivor Typhonblue has so thoroughly documented, not only can they do so, but they do so with near as much frequency as men do with their penises.

[BarnOwl]

Like this?

http://i.imgur.com/S600M32.jpg

:lol:

/useless trivia: Southfork Ranch is currently owned by a wealthy Australian family.

Apparently I fall within Francisco Bacopa's cat-pissing domain. He doesn't seem bright enough to be able to convince the assistants at Home Depot or JoAnn's to unlock the cabinets in which spray paint is kept.

Good thing the power/telephone lines are underground in my neighborhood, though; else I'd worry about finding a pair of worn Fluevogs hanging over them by their laces. :shock:

[Gumby]

Yes and no. The modern use is to indicate people who aren't "childless" with the common implication they want kids, but can't have them. It's rather a short way to say "I have no interest whatsoever in having children, and no, I don't actually need to explain it to anyone."

Now, to be correct, a LOT of the childfree folks are as insufferable as vegans who go to a BK and bitch about where the fryer smoke wafts, but that's the current gist of the term.

I briefly dated (read: "twice") a self-labeled "childfree" gal once, before I knew what the term actually meant. You're right about "insufferable". She was downright vicious on the subject of children as well. The "childfree" people run the gamut of the anti-child spectrum, and she was on the end that advocated that humans stop having children except for the bare minimum necessary to keep the human race going. Basically, she and people like her took their pathological loathing of children and formalized it into a sociopolitical philosophy. In the case of this woman, that pathology was not just contained to the "no children" stance, either... it manifested itself in various ugly ways throughout her personality. I couldn't get away from her fast enough.

[AnonymousCowherd]

I'm a US American, is there any hope for me?

nope

I suspected. Sometimes it hits me just how bizarre we are to the rest of the world. I convinced my husband we could get away with saying we were Canadian when we travelled around Europe for two weeks in 2010. I think it helped that we both have some foreign language skills. No one expects that from the 'Mericans.

Europeans don't really expect it from any English speakers and, as far as I can tell, most can't hear the difference between US and other accents. Some just go right on to hate all English speakers just in case they are accidentally nice to a Yank. That doesn't apply to The English who, of course, aren't Europeans at all and are too busy trying to look down their noses at people who are a foot taller than them and have better teeth.

But don't worry, hatred is normal in Europe. The French hate the English (and the Belgians as a bonus), the Belgians hate each other, everyone north of the Alps hates everyone south of them, everyone in the north of a country hates the southerners (and vice versa) and those in the west hate those in the east (& v.v.), everyone still laughs at the Italians, the Brits hate all "foreigners" including the Welsh and the Scots and absolutely everyone hates the Germans, because they can.

There you go, that's everyone offended I think.

I can't wait to move back there though, I miss it so.

[AnonymousCowherd]

I've seen a *lot* of Europeans treating Americans like shit, including spitting on them in the street and completely clearing out bars when they enter. Most of the most aggressive racism I've seen has been anti-American - specifically Anglo-Americans, there seems a lot less aggression toward other Americans. This was in the mid-00s when I was buggering about from country to country on my weekends so things may have changed since then. Americans are also the only people I've seen having their race picked apart when they're going for jobs - "She's good, but she's... American. Do we want that here?"

That was during the Bush era though.

February 9th, 1998, Stockton University, around 10pm.

Texan: (Imagine the most gorgeous deep voiced Texan accent) You ain't from round here are ya booyyyyy!
Me: Really, what gives it way (I was reasonably drunk so imagine a fairly decent Hugh Grant/Daniel Radcliffe impression)
Texan: I dunno fellla, you Australian?

PURE RACISM! :angry-fire:

HOW DARE THEY!!!

(hidesfromtheAustralians)

You got lucky teacaddy. They might have thought you were English.

[AnonymousCowherd]

@cowherd I've just sussed out the pun in your name.
Fucken hell i'm a dumbass.
I assumed you were another dairyman like me. LOL
as my old man always says: 'assumption is the mother of all fuckups'

It's an old /. thing where about 200,000 people had some variant on Anonymous Coward. Sadly, I can't stand dairy at all!

[EdgePenguin]

Somegreybloke versus Melody:



The irony is that SGB is clearly one of them. He makes constant jokes about 'oppressed white people' and has made videos promoting feminism. He is obviously a fan of Watson otherwise wouldn't have seen the tweets in the first place. Its possible this could be a deprogramming event for him, but I doubt it. He is publicly committed to radfem politics and it would be fairly hard for him to reverse course.

[jjbinx007]

More Somegreybloke tweets:



[spoiler]http://i.imgur.com/SSKUUM4.png[/spoiler]


If anyone needs to do screenshots from web pages which go off the screen then this site will do it for you without any special plugins etc:

http://snapito.com

[EdgePenguin]

"The harassers"

It doesn't matter if Melody sends a tweet which is (arguably by their definition) harassing - because she is a Good Person. Furthermore, it doesn't matter what any of us sends to Melody or Rebecca or Amy, because we are "the harassers". This is the fundamental core of their politics: their are Good people and Bad people, and the goodness and badness of actions are only relevant in that they can be used to indicate who is Good and who is Bad.

Naturally, the people who believe this are Good, so everything they do is OK, whilst the opponents and critics of the Good people must be Bad (why else would they criticize Good people?) and thus everything they do is bad.

You follow the wrong account, you are one of The Harassers. You engage it catty sniping at somebody on a public forum, its fine and everybody should forget about it already because it was four months ago. Bring it up, in fact, makes you a Harasser.

Its fucking pitiful - ditching reasoning like this happens for most people shortly after they understand object permanence.

[welch]

I always thought the one poster, with the "call a friend if you feel the need to rape someone" was a bit of a goof with a decent point. It amused me, and that was about all the thought i gave it.

So then it's OK to rape yer friends?

Yell "SURPRISE" first. Then it's not rape, it's surprise sex.

[Jan Steen]

[spoiler]http://memecrunch.com/meme/E4TY/you-hav ... /image.png[/spoiler]

...so let's paint butterflies on their driveways!

I admit to quote mining the choice parts.

:D

This will upset Ophelia. I don't know why, but it will.

[Karmakin]

http://freethoughtblogs.com/lousycanuck ... atriarchy/

Here’s an interesting app for a number of browsers that lets you, with the click of a button, swap all the pronouns and gendered words (save for slurs, for some reason) in order to get a different perspective on the thing you’re reading. It makes for an interesting juxtaposition to see how male and female politicians are described in general discourse, for instance.
And take any arbitrary story about sexism, and you’ll end up with something that would get MRAs’ blood boiling:

Yesterday, a man by the name of Gabrielle Toledano – evidently a human resources manager for EA games – wrote a rather confusing and deeply problematic op-ed for Forbes outlining why, in his estimation, sexism isn’t responsible for the dearth of men in gaming. To quote his opening remarks:

It’s easy to blame women for not creating an attractive work environment – but I think that’s a cop-out. If we want more men to work in games, we have to recognize that the problem isn’t sexism.
…The issue I have is that the video game industry is being painted as more sexist than other female-dominated workforces. I know sexism exists, but the issue isn’t just in video games. And it’s not what’s holding us back.
Nonetheless, there are still too few men working in my company, so it’s clear there is an issue to fix. Rather than blame the majority just because they are the majority, I believe the solution starts with us – men.

Which is, frankly, one of the most flippant, useless and blithely ignorant summaries of the problem I’ve ever had the misfortune to encounter.

Completely changes your perspective on things, doesn’t it?
The original Chrome extension written by Danielle Sucher was also ported to Safari and the cross-platform cross-browser Greasemonkey, so no need to feel left out of the fun.
And there’s also a Jailbreak the Binary app to scrub out all references to gender. Take Katy Perry’s hit:
I kissed a person and I liked it,
the taste of hir cherry chapstick.
I kissed a person just to try it,
I hope my significant other don’t mind it.
I’ve got both installed, and am going to make a point of enabling it on all my posts when doing re-reads of drafts. I think it’ll pay dividends in my writing, possibly.

:violin:

(Seriously, though, but what in the actual fuck?)

Jason Thibeault and his fellow lunatics aren't going to be satisfied until everyone is a genderless, no-personality, humorless, politically correct blob of mostly inert protoplasm.

Oh hells no. You're giving him too much credit. The only thing he cares about is the struggle, the fight. Quite frankly, for his ideology, he has to focus more on gender than anybody here. If there's no differences, there's no reason to fight.

Thus is the life of a SJW.

Truth be told, the problem is that he has no clue whatsoever about the nature of the problems that he complains about...if he did he'd be able to come up with constructive solutions for it. But that might actually make things better so he can't complain and fight about things anymore so that's off the table anyway.

I wish they'd understand that their critics are not saying that there's no sexism/gender bias in the world, but that we're saying that they are completely and totally incapable of dealing with it, and in fact are only making it worse.

[Lurkion]

Francesco Bacopa's post just shouts for a dramatic reading, with music from The Godfather as soundtrack.

hahahaha I have already recorded one (before reading your comment). Hint: It has a similar theme but not music from the Godfather.

[welch]

"The harassers"

It doesn't matter if Melody sends a tweet which is (arguably by their definition) harassing - because she is a Good Person. Furthermore, it doesn't matter what any of us sends to Melody or Rebecca or Amy, because we are "the harassers". This is the fundamental core of their politics: their are Good people and Bad people, and the goodness and badness of actions are only relevant in that they can be used to indicate who is Good and who is Bad.

Naturally, the people who believe this are Good, so everything they do is OK, whilst the opponents and critics of the Good people must be Bad (why else would they criticize Good people?) and thus everything they do is bad.

You follow the wrong account, you are one of The Harassers. You engage it catty sniping at somebody on a public forum, its fine and everybody should forget about it already because it was four months ago. Bring it up, in fact, makes you a Harasser.

Its fucking pitiful - ditching reasoning like this happens for most people shortly after they understand object permanence.

Read up on Scientology, specifically Fair Game and Supressive Persons. It's their ops manual

[Jan Steen]

Like this?

[spoiler]http://i.imgur.com/S600M32.jpg[/spoiler]

:lol:

/useless trivia: Southfork Ranch is currently owned by a wealthy Australian family.

Apparently I fall within Francisco Bacopa's cat-pissing domain. He doesn't seem bright enough to be able to convince the assistants at Home Depot or JoAnn's to unlock the cabinets in which spray paint is kept.

Good thing the power/telephone lines are underground in my neighborhood, though; else I'd worry about finding a pair of worn Fluevogs hanging over them by their laces. :shock:

I doubt if Francisco can get the number of wings right if he paints a butterfly. These people are nothing if not hilariously pathetic.

[Jan Steen]

Francesco Bacopa's post just shouts for a dramatic reading, with music from The Godfather as soundtrack.

hahahaha I have already recorded one (before reading your comment). Hint: It has a similar theme but not music from the Godfather.

I can't wait.

[Mykeru]

Like this?

[spoiler]http://i.imgur.com/S600M32.jpg[/spoiler]

:lol:

/useless trivia: Southfork Ranch is currently owned by a wealthy Australian family.

Apparently I fall within Francisco Bacopa's cat-pissing domain. He doesn't seem bright enough to be able to convince the assistants at Home Depot or JoAnn's to unlock the cabinets in which spray paint is kept.

Good thing the power/telephone lines are underground in my neighborhood, though; else I'd worry about finding a pair of worn Fluevogs hanging over them by their laces. :shock:

I doubt if Francisco can get the number of wings right if he paints a butterfly. These people are nothing if not hilariously pathetic.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8371/8407 ... b33b_o.jpg

[Philip of Tealand]

I've seen a *lot* of Europeans treating Americans like shit, including spitting on them in the street and completely clearing out bars when they enter. Most of the most aggressive racism I've seen has been anti-American - specifically Anglo-Americans, there seems a lot less aggression toward other Americans. This was in the mid-00s when I was buggering about from country to country on my weekends so things may have changed since then. Americans are also the only people I've seen having their race picked apart when they're going for jobs - "She's good, but she's... American. Do we want that here?"

That was during the Bush era though.

February 9th, 1998, Stockton University, around 10pm.

Texan: (Imagine the most gorgeous deep voiced Texan accent) You ain't from round here are ya booyyyyy!
Me: Really, what gives it way (I was reasonably drunk so imagine a fairly decent Hugh Grant/Daniel Radcliffe impression)
Texan: I dunno fellla, you Australian?

PURE RACISM! :angry-fire:

HOW DARE THEY!!!

(hidesfromtheAustralians)

You got lucky teacaddy. They might have thought you were English.

Thank goodness my drunk posh accent doesn't give that away!

[debaser71]

I'm a US American, is there any hope for me?

nope

I suspected. Sometimes it hits me just how bizarre we are to the rest of the world. I convinced my husband we could get away with saying we were Canadian when we travelled around Europe for two weeks in 2010. I think it helped that we both have some foreign language skills. No one expects that from the 'Mericans.

On behalf of actual Canadians, fuck you. What is it about Americans and their need to co-opt everything? Either get some pride in where you come from or move here. You can't have it both ways.

It is a weird stereotype that Americans seem to think Europeans will make their travel less agreeable if it is known they come from the US. To be fair, some will. We have lots of dickheads here too, but the vast majority won't mind or will be very welcoming, if only to have a nice chat.

I also remember when I was in Florida, back in the 90's (so, pre-gulf war 2) it was the opposite for me. I got out of trouble with local teens more than once by stating I'm French. At the time, there seemed to be some very good feelings towards the French in the States. These days, I'm not sure I'd advertise my country as much as I used to.

You never know with those crazy Merkins...

(Philip, thanks a lot, I'll try and do my best to make it worthwhile)

Firstly, you can not be a guido because you have long hair. No "true guido" has long hair! (haha) I also see that you do not have a fake tan.
Secondly, France has got a really bad reputation here in the US. My first sort of real introduction was when France didn't allow US aircraft to fly over French airspace when the US wanted to bomb Libya. Then of course there's nonsense like "freedom fries" etc. So stupid. Then there's this idea that the French are cowards for not fighting Hitler. (eyeroll)

Anyway, back in the days when I used to care about internet drama I'd like to remind people about a person named Lafayette and how he's like one of the US greatest heroes. IIRC not too long ago Lafayette was posthumously named a US citizen...I believe the only person to have this done. Also, I'd point out that if you go by population and persons killed in WW2 ratio, France was the most devastated country. (or something similar...it's been a while since I bothered arguing with haters).

[Mark Neil]

A) Welcome to Me - long time lurker ... thought I may as well register if for nothing more than to swell the numbers for ridiculing certain other forums

B) This below is why I needed to post ... this *sums up* the result of the whole FtB and A+ dogmatic positions, rile enough people up and a few crazy loners will go ... well totally crazy. If they don't know this is the inevitable outcome of their positions, then they are even more stupid than I thought.

DIYM[spoiler]

Someone on Ophelia's blog:

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Francisco Bacopa
January 22, 2013 at 6:54 pm (UTC -8)
Seriously y’all, lawyer up. Hire private investigators. They will never stop until you can prove you can hit harder than they hit you. The long arm of the law is a pretty powerful fist. Make an effort to find out what legal recourse you have. Hire private investigators to dig up dirt. Find one of your worst harassers and hit him with a civil suit and release of embarrassing information at the same time.

You have to hit back hard, and with such shocking violence (and by violence I mean civil court injunctions and such, along with old 1995 Usenet posts about bedwetting domination fantasies) that others are deterred. They will never stop until you can instill fear.

If I were supplied with any address in Southeast Texas of one of your harassers I would gladly paint a butterfly on their driveway to send a message.

You can’t make them stop until they are afraid of you. Use the law when you can, and call for a higher level of harassment when you can’t. I am serious. I can tag anywhere from Austin to Lake Charles.

[/spoiler]

Oh they know. They've accused Justine Vacula of doing precisely that against them. Even linked to a description of the type of terrorism (can't remember. Started with S)

Might want to screen cap that. He's offering to trespass and destroy (well, deface) private property at Ophelia's request, in retaliation for some imagined threats.

The funny thing is, she's so spooked at shadows that it wouldn't take much of a counteroffensive (meaning a countersuit or counter-investigation), I'd guess, to have her quivering with fear in the corner. That's not a threat. It's a statement.

How many does that make now? I've seen the one that offered retaliation (but no pre-emptive strikes, that's illegal), kneecapping and this. But I'm sure there are more. Are these being collected?

[CommanderTuvok]

Ally Fogg article about "privilege". He also mentions "mansplaining"!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... trump-card

[Notung]

Perhaps some of the UK lot have heard of Helen Lewis of the New Statesman.

For those that haven't - she's a feminist writer - she actually appeared on one of those online hangout/debates on 'online misogyny' with Rebecca Watson:

Anyway, turns out she was recently on the receiving end of the tactics and 'arguments' we are so fed up with:

http://storify.com/helenlewis/how-privi ... discussion

Highlights: 'Facts don't matter', 'Privilegesplaining', [guilt by association], 'Don't hassle a woman of colour', 'solidarity', 'google it', 'stop tweeting me', [retweeting honest questions], ['hyperskepticism'] (although they don't use the word), [putting 'genuine questions' in scare quotes]...

... it's all there!

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

Anyway, back in the days when I used to care about internet drama I'd like to remind people about a person named Lafayette and how he's like one of the US greatest heroes. IIRC not too long ago Lafayette was posthumously named a US citizen...I believe the only person to have this done. Also, I'd point out that if you go by population and persons killed in WW2 ratio, France was the most devastated country. (or something similar...it's been a while since I bothered arguing with haters).

Sometimes I like to remind Americans that if it weren't for the French, they'd all be speaking English by now...

[AbsurdWalls]

"The harassers"

It doesn't matter if Melody sends a tweet which is (arguably by their definition) harassing - because she is a Good Person. Furthermore, it doesn't matter what any of us sends to Melody or Rebecca or Amy, because we are "the harassers". This is the fundamental core of their politics: their are Good people and Bad people, and the goodness and badness of actions are only relevant in that they can be used to indicate who is Good and who is Bad.

Naturally, the people who believe this are Good, so everything they do is OK, whilst the opponents and critics of the Good people must be Bad (why else would they criticize Good people?) and thus everything they do is bad.

You follow the wrong account, you are one of The Harassers. You engage it catty sniping at somebody on a public forum, its fine and everybody should forget about it already because it was four months ago. Bring it up, in fact, makes you a Harasser.

Its fucking pitiful - ditching reasoning like this happens for most people shortly after they understand object permanence.

Did Melody every retract/apologise for that tweet? She refers to it as "horrible"? I have asked her myself.

[Remick]

Seems to be well in line with the "Don't tell women not to be raped, tell men not to rape" Kind of campaigns found in such places as the University of Ottawa student center

What exactly is wrong with that mind set? "Don't tell people not to get murdered, tell people not to murder."

I agree, many feminists believe that there isn't enough shame/stigma attached to rapists. I don't see how increasing it is a bad thing. It isn't really about "telling men not to rape", its about getting people(esp men) to not give passes to others who do. Of course, that only matters if you think that most cities/towns in the world have an insular rape culture :doh:

[AbsurdWalls]

Perhaps some of the UK lot have heard of Helen Lewis of the New Statesman.

For those that haven't - she's a feminist writer - she actually appeared on one of those online hangout/debates on 'online misogyny' with Rebecca Watson:

Anyway, turns out she was recently on the receiving end of the tactics and 'arguments' we are so fed up with:

http://storify.com/helenlewis/how-privi ... discussion

Highlights: 'Facts don't matter', 'Privilegesplaining', [guilt by association], 'Don't hassle a woman of colour', 'solidarity', 'google it', 'stop tweeting me', [retweeting honest questions], ['hyperskepticism'] (although they don't use the word), [putting 'genuine questions' in scare quotes]...

... it's all there!

I like Helen, I've had a few productive conversations with her on Twitter. I was a bit annoyed at the NS a while back when they ran a feature week on the men's rights movement, and did all of the standard things that MRAs etc. complain about (WHAT ABOUT TEH MENZ? MRA = Pickup Artist, etc). However I do think that if I was an MRA and I was bothered by that lack of balance then Helen would have put it up on the site.

[16bitheretic]

Nabbed it.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterflies ... ent-433765

http://i.imgur.com/GzcGfnb.png

http://i1322.photobucket.com/albums/u58 ... 078835.png

I'm not saying that painting butterflies leads to suicide bombing, but what's that old proverb about every journey having a first step? :twisted:

[Apples]

Ceepolk, in the Vegan Douche thread over at A+
http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic ... 0&start=25

I have chronic anxiety issues around food, and there are plenty of things that I will not touch even on good days. but when I'm in a bad period, I can't eat anything I have to chew, though mashed vegetables are on the list of what I cannot touch. too thick. It's stress related, it's worse when I'm depressed. it's certainly related to being abused. It's probably part and parcel of just being a woman, with an extra side of racism flavoring the policing.

I don't even know what the fuck she is trying to suggest here. "It's probably part and parcel of just being a woman, with an extra side of racism flavoring the policing?" Do mashed potatoes now have white privilege?

Anyway, no wonder she and Kassiane are so chummy.

Over in the "Are our Moderators Totally Batshit Crazy Toxic Personalities?" thread, marinerachel, who has consistently been a voice of something resembling reason (and looks kind of cute in her avatar), appears to be a potential casualty:

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic ... start=1675

Taking a deep breath and shutting the fuck up for the time being until a plan of action could be formulated would have been fine. Blab or lie until you're blue in the face were not the only two options.

Pretending the forum's management were put in a far worse situation than they actually were and insisting there were no better options isn't constructive. It's coddling.

Oops: don't state the rationally obvious. Flewellyn and Ceepolk do not approve.

And Setar has a real zinger in response: "so says the armchair quarterback from the comfort of her living room."

I guess Setar (the Che Guevara of Vancouver) wrote that little gem from a foxhole on hamburger hill.

Finally, over in the post devoted to why you can't send someone a PM to ask them whether it's okay to send them a PM and have to get permission in a public thread, Sun Countess explains,

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic ... 5&start=25

One is asking me in public, where witnesses "have my back" as it were. The other is following me down an empty hallway where I feel cornered and not as able to decline attention that I didn't ask for. ...

... Right now, this is all moot for me, because I have my account set up so that only mods can PM me. But I do hope that you see that not everybody is open to unsolicited PMs. For me, it crosses a boundary that can shut me down for a day or two.

Sigh. I'm starting to get compassion fatigue. I sure hope Sun Countess never gets an unsolicited email from someone trying to sell her black market viagra. The neurodivergence ..... it burns.

[LMU]

[spoiler]ElevatorGATE can be a bit of an idiot at times, but sometimes, he captures some wonderful Baboon bloopers. In this Twitter exchange, Aratina Cage attempts to intimidate Hayley Stevens using the "guilt by association" gambit. Cage is in full throttle mode until Rhys Morgan steps in to defend Hayley. Obviously, this rebuke from one of the Baboon's favourite sons dents the confidence of poor old Cagey, as you can see from his last post!

http://storify.com/ElevatorGATE/convers ... and-rhysmo

:lol:[/spoiler]

Fascinating stuff.
"Slymepitter" now means "Somebody on Twitter I don't like".

That's fair enough because Free-Thought-Blogger is Twit-Code for moronic cunt.

Is it? That would be great though! "Wow! He's a real free-thought-blogger, isn't he?"

[Notung]

The 'don't rape' thing is obviously right prima facie (seriously - don't rape!) but just seems like such an impotent method to stop it. When we think about reducing any crime, we think of an effective strategy for doing so.

Why bother with gun control when we could just say 'don't murder'? Well, because some people (myself included) think that restricting access to dangerous killing devices would go at least some way to reducing gun-related crime.

Why give advice on how to secure your house and belongings? Why not just say 'don't steal'? Well, because we want to ensure that as few people as possible are victims of the crime, and have been adequately advised how to protect themselves from theft in advance. That doesn't mean they are morally culpable if they get burgled, just that they could have prevented it with better security.

So I see the 'don't rape' thing in the same way. Yes - don't murder, don't rape, and don't steal. But lets figure out a way to actually reduce those crimes, rather than merely imploring the prospective criminals to not to carry out the deed.

P.S. Maybe saying 'don't rape' does in fact help reduce rape. I'm pretty skeptical of that, but if that's the best way, then let's go with it.

[AbsurdWalls]

Perhaps some of the UK lot have heard of Helen Lewis of the New Statesman.

For those that haven't - she's a feminist writer - she actually appeared on one of those online hangout/debates on 'online misogyny' with Rebecca Watson:

Anyway, turns out she was recently on the receiving end of the tactics and 'arguments' we are so fed up with:

http://storify.com/helenlewis/how-privi ... discussion

Highlights: 'Facts don't matter', 'Privilegesplaining', [guilt by association], 'Don't hassle a woman of colour', 'solidarity', 'google it', 'stop tweeting me', [retweeting honest questions], ['hyperskepticism'] (although they don't use the word), [putting 'genuine questions' in scare quotes]...

... it's all there!

I like Helen, I've had a few productive conversations with her on Twitter. I was a bit annoyed at the NS a while back when they ran a feature week on the men's rights movement, and did all of the standard things that MRAs etc. complain about (WHAT ABOUT TEH MENZ? MRA = Pickup Artist, etc). However I do think that if I was an MRA and I was bothered enough by that lack of balance to write something then Helen would have put it up on the site.

[AbsurdWalls]

The 'don't rape' thing is obviously right prima facie (seriously - don't rape!) but just seems like such an impotent method to stop it. When we think about reducing any crime, we think of an effective strategy for doing so.

Why bother with gun control when we could just say 'don't murder'? Well, because some people (myself included) think that restricting access to dangerous killing devices would go at least some way to reducing gun-related crime.

Why give advice on how to secure your house and belongings? Why not just say 'don't steal'? Well, because we want to ensure that as few people as possible are victims of the crime, and have been adequately advised how to protect themselves from theft in advance. That doesn't mean they are morally culpable if they get burgled, just that they could have prevented it with better security.

So I see the 'don't rape' thing in the same way. Yes - don't murder, don't rape, and don't steal. But lets figure out a way to actually reduce those crimes, rather than merely imploring the prospective criminals to not to carry out the deed.

P.S. Maybe saying 'don't rape' does in fact help reduce rape. I'm pretty skeptical of that, but if that's the best way, then let's go with it.

Justicar has a video about this - title is something like: Victim Blaming? Survey Says: Not So Much - he makes a similar argument.