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[debaser71]

Sorry, I was just being a goof. I am not calling anyone out or anything like that. To be honest I never click on links to skepchick or FTB...I was only going by the screen shots. (actually I did click on a tiny url and it brought me to skepchick...I immediately closed it up. Noooooo they got a hit from me!

btw, thanks people for screen shotting these things. I don't have twitter/facebook or any of that crap.

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

I guess Rebecca was so refreshed by her victory over Sara that she decided to redecorate Skepchick. It looks like crap. Also - bonus!

I’m considering doing a thing where you could buy a premium (but inexpensive) subscription to Skepchick that would give you the option of turning off ads. And maybe other perqs, too.

Well now we know what to get each other for Xmas next year.

http://skepchick.org/2013/01/a-new-look/

...or AdblockPlus...

[Gefan]

Sorry guys, but with all the violence that is coming our way, i had to break out Julian.

[youtube]vGnCR8a8KIY[/youtub]

I dunno man. They've been training hard... I think we might be fucked.

[youtube]OYWGF8Hrkg8[/youtube]

Observe how all the bottles contain water.
Had they contained soda they would certainly have met a very different (though equally violent and rapid) fate.

[jimthepleb]

So how long does this twitter suspension shit last?
I'm back but have 0 followers and 0 followed now, for a while, and a dead feed.
I think it must have been my tweet to ophie that bought me it.
I'll bet she has templates for letters of complaint.

I keep trying to follow you and get bumped out again for some odd reason. I can see your timeline. If you're not back within 24 hours, contact Twitter support is my suggestion.

9 tweets and less than 24hrs... LOL
And i didn't even say 'cunt'
How easy is it to get an account down?

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

Observe how all the bottles contain water.
Had they contained soda they would certainly have met a very different (though equally violent and rapid) fate.

They probably would have won.

[JayTeeAitch]

Jumping on the bandwagon.........
Trigger warning for shitty sound, animation and impression.

[youtube]VJ_pi54SkeI[/youtube]

:D

Love the comment you left on halfish's video too.

[ReneeHendricks]

So how long does this twitter suspension shit last?
I'm back but have 0 followers and 0 followed now, for a while, and a dead feed.
I think it must have been my tweet to ophie that bought me it.
I'll bet she has templates for letters of complaint.

I keep trying to follow you and get bumped out again for some odd reason. I can see your timeline. If you're not back within 24 hours, contact Twitter support is my suggestion.

9 tweets and less than 24hrs... LOL
And i didn't even say 'cunt'
How easy is it to get an account down?

Speaking from personal experience, I'm seeing that newer accounts are more likely to get suspended. I've been on Twitter for something like 5-6 years and I've never been suspended. And I say shit *way worse* than most new accounts :D

[Lsuoma]

Regarding cunt as a gendered insult.

I'm re-re-re-reading Spike Milligan's war memoirs - among the most poignant and funny autobiographies I have ever read - and in the Royal Artillery (and, I'm sure, the whole of the British and Empire armed forces (don't want ANZACs to be left out - HUG)) the word cunt appears to be by far the most common insult used. Sod is there, as is idiot, but if the dialogue Milligan reports is representative, cunt is the #1, bull-goose insult. And it's directed at men exclusively. With no sexual connotation. And I doubt very munch indeed whether the situation is different in today's modern armed forces.

[Zenspace]

Jason Thibeault and his fellow lunatics aren't going to be satisfied until everyone is a genderless, no-personality, humorless, politically correct blob of mostly inert protoplasm.

I have occasionally wondered what the logical conclusion of all this A+ crap might be, and there it is right in front of me.

[Tony Parsehole]

This is a gem.
http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3748
An A+ user calling himself "H.P Lovecraft" admits to "trolling" the Stormfront forum attempting to "bait and enrage" the users there. However he takes umbrage at the Stormfront folks for "documenting reams of racist bile written by Lovecraft, particularly from his personal letters." even though he admits it is true that Lovecraft WAS a racist.
He then goes on to say "I hate to see his racism placed at the forefront of his reputation" and admits to "warning them that they were likely violating the copyright of whoever owns Lovecraft's writings" simply for repeating the content of Lovecraft's racist letters.

So here we have a brave SJW who admits to trolling a forum but ends up furious that, in response to the trolling, people would dare to bring up Lovecraft's undisputed racism.
What the holy fuck?


Trolling? You're doing it wrong.

[jimthepleb]

Regarding cunt as a gendered insult.

I'm re-re-re-reading Spike Milligan's war memoirs - among the most poignant and funny autobiographies I have ever read - and in the Royal Artillery (and, I'm sure, the whole of the British and Empire armed forces (don't want ANZACs to be left out - HUG)) the word cunt appears to be by far the most common insult used. Sod is there, as is idiot, but if the dialogue Milligan reports is representative, cunt is the #1, bull-goose insult. And it's directed at men exclusively. With no sexual connotation. And I doubt very munch indeed whether the situation is different in today's modern armed forces.

Or police force, or on farm or on a building site etc etc But if we can dismiss these uppity working classes by shackling their language we get to rule the roost. Cunts.

[Tony Parsehole]

[spoiler]

Jumping on the bandwagon.........
Trigger warning for shitty sound, animation and impression.

[youtube]VJ_pi54SkeI[/youtube]

:D[/spoiler]

Love the comment you left on halfish's video too.

TBH I thought it would have been auto-moderated. Glad it wasn't.

[Mykeru]

[spoiler]

[spoiler]

I'm a bit late on the "ragging"-Mayhew-Watson thing so sorry for this late in the game reply. I wanted to point out that "ragging on" may have different basic meanings depending upon where you live. Much like "cunt". To me that phrase always has had connotations of a woman being "on the rag". M2C.

viewtopic.php?f=31&t=237&start=1725#p54083

The negroes call their clog-dancing "ragging"

It would be mighty odd to think of menstruation every time 'ragtime' music was mentioned.
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ragtime ragged time makes sense.

Looking for the etymology of 'ragging' I also find http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/ragging[/qpoiler]

The point here is, Rebecca Watson does no research and tells anyone else that disagrees with her etymology of the word, that they are 'The dumbest person on twitter' instead.

[/spoiler]Guys, get your facts straight.

SARAH lied about the etymology of "Ragging" in order to make MELANIE look bad and REBECCA called her on it. People have misinterpreted what has been said and let's stop attacking where there is not mistake.

Rebecca said

Also it took me about 30 seconds of Googling to see that “ragged on” having something to do with menstruation is unlikely at best and at worst is an idiotic way to try and fail to score a cheap point.

I tried Tweeting some sense during that exchange to no avail. It was a dumb point to make and I don't know what kind of sheltered life someone has had that they don't know what "ragging" means or confuses "ragging on" someone with someone "being on the rag"

The plus side: When it's a girl fight and you're a spectator, everyone's a winner.

It was very bitchy and distasteful. Just stupid one-upmanship cat fighting. I haven't seen anything that juvenile since me and Cunt went a few rounds over something or other that seemed to be important at the time but escapes me now.

[somedumbguy]

It certainly seems reasonable to associate "ragging" with menstruation, though here is a comment that claims it comes from "to rag", to rend, to tear.

http://blogs.standard.net/the-political ... bush-does/

But here are some internet references going back to at 1997 demonstrating that random people on the net think it's associated with menstruation. (Spoiled only because of size of images)

[spoiler]http://i.imgur.com/Mxgjo7c.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/h8pd6fq.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/J37pEaa.jpg[/spoiler]

[Tony Parsehole]

[spoiler]

[spoiler]

I'm a bit late on the "ragging"-Mayhew-Watson thing so sorry for this late in the game reply. I wanted to point out that "ragging on" may have different basic meanings depending upon where you live. Much like "cunt". To me that phrase always has had connotations of a woman being "on the rag". M2C.

viewtopic.php?f=31&t=237&start=1725#p54083

The negroes call their clog-dancing "ragging"

It would be mighty odd to think of menstruation every time 'ragtime' music was mentioned.
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ragtime ragged time makes sense.

Looking for the etymology of 'ragging' I also find http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/ragging[/qpoiler]

The point here is, Rebecca Watson does no research and tells anyone else that disagrees with her etymology of the word, that they are 'The dumbest person on twitter' instead.

[/spoiler]Guys, get your facts straight.

SARAH lied about the etymology of "Ragging" in order to make MELANIE look bad and REBECCA called her on it. People have misinterpreted what has been said and let's stop attacking where there is not mistake.

Rebecca said

Also it took me about 30 seconds of Googling to see that “ragged on” having something to do with menstruation is unlikely at best and at worst is an idiotic way to try and fail to score a cheap point.

I tried Tweeting some sense during that exchange to no avail. It was a dumb point to make and I don't know what kind of sheltered life someone has had that they don't know what "ragging" means or confuses "ragging on" someone with someone "being on the rag"

The plus side: When it's a girl fight and you're a spectator, everyone's a winner.

It was very bitchy and distasteful. Just stupid one-upmanship cat fighting. I haven't seen anything that juvenile since me and Cunt went a few rounds over something or other that seemed to be important at the time but escapes me now.

It was about Alcoholics-Anonymous and it made baby Jesus and the orphans cry.

[Metalogic42]

http://i.imgur.com/H8WLu6G.jpg

*facepalm*

[Mykeru]

http://freethoughtblogs.com/greta/files ... othes1.jpg
http://freethoughtblogs.com/greta/2013/ ... t-clothes/

jesus christ apples!! trigger warnings PLEASE.

http://www.pathguy.com/oedipus_photo.jpg
I can still see!

[Metalogic42]

http://freethoughtblogs.com/greta/files ... othes1.jpg
http://freethoughtblogs.com/greta/2013/ ... t-clothes/

jesus christ apples!! trigger warnings PLEASE.

http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/0/76 ... eppuku.jpg

[ReneeHendricks]

Woohoo! So, Justin Vacula is over the $1k mark thanks to Hans C. Schellenberg:

Hans C. Schellenberg @hanscs - @reneehendricks @justinvacula I just chipped in $100.

https://twitter.com/hanscs/status/294154041703931904

Just a tiny bit more and he's set. Oh, and 20% of what he receives goes to Operation Smile so I'm happy on all counts!

[jimthepleb]

[spoiler]

[spoiler]

I'm a bit late on the "ragging"-Mayhew-Watson thing so sorry for this late in the game reply. I wanted to point out that "ragging on" may have different basic meanings depending upon where you live. Much like "cunt". To me that phrase always has had connotations of a woman being "on the rag". M2C.

viewtopic.php?f=31&t=237&start=1725#p54083

The negroes call their clog-dancing "ragging"

It would be mighty odd to think of menstruation every time 'ragtime' music was mentioned.
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ragtime ragged time makes sense.

Looking for the etymology of 'ragging' I also find http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/ragging[/qpoiler]

The point here is, Rebecca Watson does no research and tells anyone else that disagrees with her etymology of the word, that they are 'The dumbest person on twitter' instead.

[/spoiler]Guys, get your facts straight.

SARAH lied about the etymology of "Ragging" in order to make MELANIE look bad and REBECCA called her on it. People have misinterpreted what has been said and let's stop attacking where there is not mistake.

Rebecca said

Also it took me about 30 seconds of Googling to see that “ragged on” having something to do with menstruation is unlikely at best and at worst is an idiotic way to try and fail to score a cheap point.

I tried Tweeting some sense during that exchange to no avail. It was a dumb point to make and I don't know what kind of sheltered life someone has had that they don't know what "ragging" means or confuses "ragging on" someone with someone "being on the rag"

The plus side: When it's a girl fight and you're a spectator, everyone's a winner.

It was very bitchy and distasteful. Just stupid one-upmanship cat fighting. I haven't seen anything that juvenile since me and Cunt went a few rounds over something or other that seemed to be important at the time but escapes me now.

You're just bitter someone else is getting the attention.
Sara has a different and probably valid criticism of the word, but throwing it at RW is lethal, she's playing a longer game and this kind of crap feeds into her hands. She's outrageously immature but it seems to be working for her right now.

[Tigzy]

Has this already been covered? It reeks of bullshit. Whether Zvans bullshit or ciaphas' bullshit remains to be seen but, bullshit it is.
http://freethoughtblogs.com/almostdiamo ... anging-on/
TLDR; Steffy Zvan would have us honestly believe that a would-be-rapist decided not to rape a girl because he read Zvan's blog. Pull the fucking other one.

This is fucking weird, isn't it? The guy seems to be suggesting that he was of a mind to rape this paralytically drunk girl, but was then suddenly reminded of Steffy's musings on the matter, and decided against it.

It brings to mind those Xtians who say they they need the edicts of the Bible to be moral - except in this case, the poster called 'Ciaphas' (http://freethoughtblogs.com/almostdiamo ... ent-183923) somehow needs to refer to the 'objective morality' of Stephanie for such guidance.

Seriously, people who are not psychopathically deranged do not need Steffy to remind them that when a girl is so shitfaced you need to carry her to bed, she is not capable of giving consent to sex.

Nevertheless, fair do's to Steffy if her writings genuinely did prevent a rape. She's to be applauded on that. That poster, however, clearly has...problems.

[Pitchguest]

Just catching up.

On Cunt (not the poster). Does no one else here think the demand that everyone not use that word because some people are offended by it because it is "oppressive" is the kind of arrogant American cultural imperialism that the same SJW's frown upon while they are staining the latest Chomsky book with tears?

Does anyone else think that two could play that game and that we could demand that "privilege" is used in it's original correct and legal sense of "private law." which is in Western Democracies illegal under equality laws and discrimination acts. Thus when they parrot their Chinese box style responses about "check your privilege" people could easily respond "I have no privilege, it's against the law."

Obviously I know there are many contexts to both privilege and cunt.

Speaking of which, avicenna wrote this in response to me on his blog about the Pit,

No it’s a forum in the vein of /b on 4Chan. Except /b occasionally threw up works of sheer genius (Such as the birth of Anonymous) while so far it’s just harassment and calling each other cunts. Now I understand the cultural differences also affect the word (it’s more of a term of endearment where I am from and hearing a little old lady refer to her two grand kids as a pair of daft cunts is pretty normal.) but we are on the internet, the sad truth is the majority of Internet denizens are Americans so we non americans have to cater to them in some way or else my comments will be filled with people outraged that I wish to bum a fag off them (asking for a cigarette).

Emphasis on the red part.

Really. They've gone fucking nuts.

[ReneeHendricks]

Has this already been covered? It reeks of bullshit. Whether Zvans bullshit or ciaphas' bullshit remains to be seen but, bullshit it is.
http://freethoughtblogs.com/almostdiamo ... anging-on/
TLDR; Steffy Zvan would have us honestly believe that a would-be-rapist decided not to rape a girl because he read Zvan's blog. Pull the fucking other one.

This is fucking weird, isn't it? The guy seems to be suggesting that he was of a mind to rape this paralytically drunk girl, but was then suddenly reminded of Steffy's musings on the matter, and decided against it.

It brings to mind those Xtians who say they they need the edicts of the Bible to be moral - except in this case, the poster called 'Ciaphas' (http://freethoughtblogs.com/almostdiamo ... ent-183923) somehow needs to refer to the 'objective morality' of Stephanie for such guidance.

Seriously, people who are not psychopathically deranged do not need Steffy to remind them that when a girl is so shitfaced you need to carry her to bed, she is not capable of giving consent to sex.

Nevertheless, fair do's to Steffy if her writings genuinely did prevent a rape. She's to be applauded on that. That poster, however, clearly has...problems.

I keep thinking "I was going to totally kill all these people but then I remembered that I was told once by this blogger that this is a crime".

[astrokid.nj]

[youtube]ZkaeAkJO0w8[/youtube]

[Tony Parsehole]

Has this already been covered? It reeks of bullshit. Whether Zvans bullshit or ciaphas' bullshit remains to be seen but, bullshit it is.
http://freethoughtblogs.com/almostdiamo ... anging-on/
TLDR; Steffy Zvan would have us honestly believe that a would-be-rapist decided not to rape a girl because he read Zvan's blog. Pull the fucking other one.

This is fucking weird, isn't it? The guy seems to be suggesting that he was of a mind to rape this paralytically drunk girl, but was then suddenly reminded of Steffy's musings on the matter, and decided against it.

It brings to mind those Xtians who say they they need the edicts of the Bible to be moral - except in this case, the poster called 'Ciaphas' (http://freethoughtblogs.com/almostdiamo ... ent-183923) somehow needs to refer to the 'objective morality' of Stephanie for such guidance.

Seriously, people who are not psychopathically deranged do not need Steffy to remind them that when a girl is so shitfaced you need to carry her to bed, she is not capable of giving consent to sex.

Nevertheless, fair do's to Steffy if her writings genuinely did prevent a rape. She's to be applauded on that. That poster, however, clearly has...problems.

The funny thing is that commentator, 'Ciaphas', is on their side. Hilarious when you think about all the shit they throw our way.

[decius]

Speaking from personal experience, I'm seeing that newer accounts are more likely to get suspended. I've been on Twitter for something like 5-6 years and I've never been suspended. And I say shit *way worse* than most new accounts :D

I pre-empted them. I sent an email to support from day two, informing them that I would engage in a merciless satirical campaign against notorious authoritarians known to abuse the abuse system, but I had no intention to infringe the law or the rules of the house. They didn't bother to reply, but I posted some vile caricatures of Offalia from start and nothing happened.

[ReneeHendricks]

Yeah, I'm being a nitpicky bitch today. I wonder if Ophelia Benson truly meant to make this comparison:

I wonder what “unduly” means there. I also wonder what on earth the NAACP and the Hispanic Federation are thinking. They want sugar drinks to be extra-special cheap so that blacks and Hispanics can have higher than average rates of Type 2 diabetes? Do they also wish lead-based paint were still legal and readily available? Do they long for the old days when toddlers could munch on paint chips full of lead?

So... blacks and Hispanics are being compared to toddlers now?

http://www.freezepage.com/1358968591TIADUREOWF

[Tigzy]

The funny thing is that commentator, 'Ciaphas', is on their side. Hilarious when you think about all the shit they throw our way.

I know, I know - I mean, this really isn't the best example you can use to show the quality of your commentariat. Steph says in the post that the comment was keeping her 'functioning' right now. Really? Personally, I'd be right creeped out by it.

[jimthepleb]

Has this already been covered? It reeks of bullshit. Whether Zvans bullshit or ciaphas' bullshit remains to be seen but, bullshit it is.
http://freethoughtblogs.com/almostdiamo ... anging-on/
TLDR; Steffy Zvan would have us honestly believe that a would-be-rapist decided not to rape a girl because he read Zvan's blog. Pull the fucking other one.

This is fucking weird, isn't it? The guy seems to be suggesting that he was of a mind to rape this paralytically drunk girl, but was then suddenly reminded of Steffy's musings on the matter, and decided against it.

It brings to mind those Xtians who say they they need the edicts of the Bible to be moral - except in this case, the poster called 'Ciaphas' (http://freethoughtblogs.com/almostdiamo ... ent-183923) somehow needs to refer to the 'objective morality' of Stephanie for such guidance.

Seriously, people who are not psychopathically deranged do not need Steffy to remind them that when a girl is so shitfaced you need to carry her to bed, she is not capable of giving consent to sex.

Nevertheless, fair do's to Steffy if her writings genuinely did prevent a rape. She's to be applauded on that. That poster, however, clearly has...problems.

Pure Planted Propaganda
probably from the same computer
If this guy is out there then he must be very VERY young, and is almost certainly still dangerous...what if he had already had a drink, with the shitty impulse control he seems to have had until Zvan's blog gave him his Damascene moment, sound like a proper rapey creep.
All too reminiscent of "I'm a paedo but..."
But I'm not buying any of it

[Tony Parsehole]

[spoiler]

Just catching up.

On Cunt (not the poster). Does no one else here think the demand that everyone not use that word because some people are offended by it because it is "oppressive" is the kind of arrogant American cultural imperialism that the same SJW's frown upon while they are staining the latest Chomsky book with tears?

Does anyone else think that two could play that game and that we could demand that "privilege" is used in it's original correct and legal sense of "private law." which is in Western Democracies illegal under equality laws and discrimination acts. Thus when they parrot their Chinese box style responses about "check your privilege" people could easily respond "I have no privilege, it's against the law."

Obviously I know there are many contexts to both privilege and cunt.

Speaking of which, avicenna wrote this in response to me on his blog about the Pit,

No it’s a forum in the vein of /b on 4Chan. Except /b occasionally threw up works of sheer genius (Such as the birth of Anonymous) while so far it’s just harassment and calling each other cunts. Now I understand the cultural differences also affect the word (it’s more of a term of endearment where I am from and hearing a little old lady refer to her two grand kids as a pair of daft cunts is pretty normal.) but we are on the internet, the sad truth is the majority of Internet denizens are Americans so we non americans have to cater to them in some way or else my comments will be filled with people outraged that I wish to bum a fag off them (asking for a cigarette).

Emphasis on the red part.

Really. They've gone fucking nuts.[/spoiler]

Thanks for that. I needed a good laugh. Sp the majority of the internet is populated by Americans (snigger, chortle) so we can't use words that offend *some* Americans? Get a fucking grip.

Oh, and the Pit is worse than 4Chan /b/ because at least the latter birthed anonymous? Well, right now on 4Chan there is an animated gif of a man putting a glass bottle up his arse until it breaks and then pulling the jagged, bloody chunks out of hemorrhaging rectum in a panic.

Yeah, this place is so bad compared to that.

[Tony Parsehole]

I keep thinking "I was going to totally kill all these people but then I remembered that I was told once by this blogger that this is a crime".

That's it in a nutshell. Do they not see what's wrong with this?

[debaser71]

Yeah, I'm being a nitpicky bitch today. I wonder if Ophelia Benson truly meant to make this comparison:

I wonder what “unduly” means there. I also wonder what on earth the NAACP and the Hispanic Federation are thinking. They want sugar drinks to be extra-special cheap so that blacks and Hispanics can have higher than average rates of Type 2 diabetes? Do they also wish lead-based paint were still legal and readily available? Do they long for the old days when toddlers could munch on paint chips full of lead?

So... blacks and Hispanics are being compared to toddlers now?

http://www.freezepage.com/1358968591TIADUREOWF

IMO "blacks" sounds bad. I use "black people". And FTR some people would say "black people" is still a racist thing to say. Other than that, I don't really care what OB says.

[Mykeru]

You're just bitter someone else is getting the attention.

Well, right now, they're not. See how that works, noob?

[Tony Parsehole]

[spoiler]

Has this already been covered? It reeks of bullshit. Whether Zvans bullshit or ciaphas' bullshit remains to be seen but, bullshit it is.
http://freethoughtblogs.com/almostdiamo ... anging-on/
TLDR; Steffy Zvan would have us honestly believe that a would-be-rapist decided not to rape a girl because he read Zvan's blog. Pull the fucking other one.

This is fucking weird, isn't it? The guy seems to be suggesting that he was of a mind to rape this paralytically drunk girl, but was then suddenly reminded of Steffy's musings on the matter, and decided against it.

It brings to mind those Xtians who say they they need the edicts of the Bible to be moral - except in this case, the poster called 'Ciaphas' (http://freethoughtblogs.com/almostdiamo ... ent-183923) somehow needs to refer to the 'objective morality' of Stephanie for such guidance.

Seriously, people who are not psychopathically deranged do not need Steffy to remind them that when a girl is so shitfaced you need to carry her to bed, she is not capable of giving consent to sex.

Nevertheless, fair do's to Steffy if her writings genuinely did prevent a rape. She's to be applauded on that. That poster, however, clearly has...problems.

Pure Planted Propaganda
probably from the same computer
If this guy is out there then he must be very VERY young, and is almost certainly still dangerous...what if he had already had a drink, with the shitty impulse control he seems to have had until Zvan's blog gave him his Damascene moment, sound like a proper rapey creep.
All too reminiscent of "I'm a paedo but..."
But I'm not buying any of it[/spoiler]

I was thinking the same but then it occurred to me it's actually fucking awful propaganda. It's basically saying Steffy's commentariat, the people directly opposed to the Slymepit, are mindless rapists unless her writings guide them to morality.
Can't laugh any harder.
Keep 'em coming Steffy you fucking idiot.

[somedumbguy]

posted this at skepchick in the optimism/ragging thread, but it didn't seem to post.

Lauren Rosewarne, Ph.D in her 2012 book "Periods in Pop Culture" writes on page 99 (searchable at google books or at amazon)

"...Accusing a woman of nagging is a very gendered accusation and, most relevant to this discussion, is one with very specific menstrual links. Since the 1940s, the term "on the rag" has been slang for menstruation and synonymous with irritation. Rag has similarly been used to mean sanitary napkin or pad. In practice, and most relevant to this discussion, the term "ragging" has been defined as "to banter repeatedly or persistently and often annoyingly to the victim." While dictionaries don't generally link ragging to expressions such as on the rag or to menstrual products, of course, in popular parlance, expressions like "I'm ragging" or "I'm ragging it" do describe menstruation. and the expression "ragging" — used to mean nagging, mocking, or even informing on - likely has origins in the menstrual connotations. The use of the term to imply female behavior considered as irritating is apparent in episodes of Roseanne (1988-1997) and The Sopranos (1999-2007).

In an episode of Roseanne. Darlene (Sara Gilbert) explained to her father why she didn't want her mother taking her to college: "Because she's just going to go psychotic when we get up there and she sees I've got my own life now. You know she's going to rag on everything: my school, my apartment, my roommate." In an episode of The Sopranos, Janice Soprano (Aida Mauro) described a car trip from years prior: "My father's driving. and she's ragging on his ass. You know how she gets. He's been drinking. I guess. And he takes out his gun!" In both of these examples, the word ragging was used to describe the apparently nagging behavior of women. In practice, the word has likely been chosen over other synonyms because it references both gender and a bodily function widely resented."

Dr. Rosewarne provides references for all of this.

Also, Chapter 15, of The Curse, A Cultural History of Menstruation by Janice Delaney, MaryJane Lupton, and Emily Toth, also suggests that ragging is an insult referring to menstruation with the connotation of nagging.

This required a couple of minutes of googling.

I hope this helps.

[Dilurk]

Speaking from personal experience, I'm seeing that newer accounts are more likely to get suspended. I've been on Twitter for something like 5-6 years and I've never been suspended. And I say shit *way worse* than most new accounts :D

I pre-empted them. I sent an email to support from day two, informing them that I would engage in a merciless satirical campaign against notorious authoritarians known to abuse the abuse system, but I had no intention to infringe the law or the rules of the house. They didn't bother to reply, but I posted some vile caricatures of Offalia from start and nothing happened.

I am a complete and utter n00b on twitter as I'm still under the 1 year mark. No, it is not under this name for obvious reasons. Obviously I have made mistakes in trying to follow the attributions of who said what. Some of you have sussed me out anyway on twitter or perhaps I am being followed by some of you anyway. Twitter is completely the wrong place to argue. Twitter makes perfect sense to use it to advertise a blog or make casual comments but that 140 char limitation and the folks that run twitter that are too sensitive to spamming complaints makes it useless for any nuance arguments. I am now just about at the point where I am considering committing twittercide so to speak. I am simply not impressed with the creationist tactics being used on twitter by atheists and the hate going both ways.

Oh yes, I did manage to get suspended as well, though by creationists. "aggressive following" I was simply replying to someone's comment and I contested the suspension. This also leaves a very bad taste in my mouth about the 'service' twitter runs.

After many years of staying away from other social media, I did wonder what the fuss was about twitter. I wonder if perhaps twitter is now on the decline and the cool people have gone elsewhere. Or perhaps twitter is being arrogant about their product? I'm rather curious why they feel it necessary to give n00bs like me a hard time.

It has been an interesting experiment on twitter though. Instead of actually engaging me, the n00b, and showing me another viewpoint that might have had me reconsidering my viewpoint; I see hateful comments, I see blocking so I cannot easily see the alternative viewpoints. Google+ has proven far more interesting to me. I might just stop engaging at all on twitter and linking to g+ instead. We'll see.

[Angry_Drunk]

posted this at skepchick in the optimism/ragging thread, but it didn't seem to post.

some stupid twaddle.

Fuck me blind, that is the stupidest shit I've seen all month, and my fucking job is to root out stupid shit.

[jimthepleb]

You're just bitter someone else is getting the attention.

Well, right now, they're not. See how that works, noob?

I'll derp about 'til I get it right.
More a joke than snark.
oldfag

[somedumbguy]

posted this at skepchick in the optimism/ragging thread, but it didn't seem to post.

some stupid twaddle.

Fuck me blind, that is the stupidest shit I've seen all month, and my fucking job is to root out stupid shit.

Well, as I've written here before, Feminism means everything and Feminism means nothing. For any feminist issue X, it is trivial to find feminists that believe X and feminists that believe ~X. (And chances are they are all wrong.)

It's typical of feminist arguments.

Rebecca Watson, feminist, writes some shit. Rosewarne, with her Ph.D writes opposing shit, with references, so Rosewarne must be right, "even if" her arguments are weak and stretched. But she does have references (sadly unavailable through google books.)

In the meantime common sense goes down the tubes once more.

[VickyCaramel]

It certainly seems reasonable to associate "ragging" with menstruation, though here is a comment that claims it comes from "to rag", to rend, to tear.

http://blogs.standard.net/the-political ... bush-does/

But here are some internet references going back to at 1997 demonstrating that random people on the net think it's associated with menstruation. (Spoiled only because of size of images)

[spoiler]http://i.imgur.com/Mxgjo7c.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/h8pd6fq.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/J37pEaa.jpg[/spoiler]

I am going to admit I was wrong. It isn't used In that way in my part of the world as far as I know. But as I said, usage is the ultimate arbiter of meaning, and that is how it is used in New York or on Facebook or whatever... then that is what it means (as well as tearing strips off of someone).

[Al Stefanelli]

Shameless promotion of my latest vid:

[youtube]1zb4ZgECy0U[/youtube]

[rayshul unplugged]

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I've seen a *lot* of Europeans treating Americans like shit, including spitting on them in the street and completely clearing out bars when they enter. .

In which country did you see this?

Mainly Ireland and Holland. Lots of other sentiment against Americans elsewhere but those were the only places I saw physical reactions/intimidation.

[decius]

I am a complete and utter n00b on twitter as I'm still under the 1 year mark. No, it is not under this name for obvious reasons. Obviously I have made mistakes in trying to follow the attributions of who said what. Some of you have sussed me out anyway on twitter or perhaps I am being followed by some of you anyway. Twitter is completely the wrong place to argue. Twitter makes perfect sense to use it to advertise a blog or make casual comments but that 140 char limitation and the folks that run twitter that are too sensitive to spamming complaints makes it useless for any nuance arguments. I am now just about at the point where I am considering committing twittercide so to speak. I am simply not impressed with the creationist tactics being used on twitter by atheists and the hate going both ways.

Oh yes, I did manage to get suspended as well, though by creationists. "aggressive following" I was simply replying to someone's comment and I contested the suspension. This also leaves a very bad taste in my mouth about the 'service' twitter runs.

After many years of staying away from other social media, I did wonder what the fuss was about twitter. I wonder if perhaps twitter is now on the decline and the cool people have gone elsewhere. Or perhaps twitter is being arrogant about their product? I'm rather curious why they feel it necessary to give n00bs like me a hard time.

It has been an interesting experiment on twitter though. Instead of actually engaging me, the n00b, and showing me another viewpoint that might have had me reconsidering my viewpoint; I see hateful comments, I see blocking so I cannot easily see the alternative viewpoints. Google+ has proven far more interesting to me. I might just stop engaging at all on twitter and linking to g+ instead. We'll see.

I'm also a late-comer I've been on twitter for only several weeks and inactive most of the time. Atheists using creotards techniques haven't yet spoiled my experience, which has been largely positive from a personal POV.
I thought I would hate the character limitation, but I'm now beginning to appreciate epigram as an art form.
So far so good, but I'm planning to keep well away from Facekook and G+. I do use the latter, but exclusively for its videoconferencing features, which are far superior to Skype's.

[somedumbguy]

It certainly seems reasonable to associate "ragging" with menstruation, though here is a comment that claims it comes from "to rag", to rend, to tear.

http://blogs.standard.net/the-political ... bush-does/

But here are some internet references going back to at 1997 demonstrating that random people on the net think it's associated with menstruation. (Spoiled only because of size of images)

[spoiler]http://i.imgur.com/Mxgjo7c.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/h8pd6fq.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/J37pEaa.jpg[/spoiler]

I am going to admit I was wrong. It isn't used In that way in my part of the world as far as I know. But as I said, usage is the ultimate arbiter of meaning, and that is how it is used in New York or on Facebook or whatever... then that is what it means (as well as tearing strips off of someone).

Well, I suspect the original etymology may very well be from "rag - to tear" and not having anything to do with menstruation.

This online slang page is sort of interesting. There are only two meanings for "rag" repeated over and over in slightly different ways:

http://onlineslangdictionary.com/meanin ... ion-of/rag

Either a) something about menstruation, or b) something about nagging.

So maybe a & b were in reality meanings associated with rag over time for completely different reasons. But if in 2013, they are the only two meanings for a word, who is to say they are not related, especially in this case, where rag meaning nagging abuse certainly fits with the behavior associated with "being on the rag".

[somedumbguy]

I am a complete and utter n00b on twitter as I'm still under the 1 year mark. No, it is not under this name for obvious reasons. Obviously I have made mistakes in trying to follow the attributions of who said what. Some of you have sussed me out anyway on twitter or perhaps I am being followed by some of you anyway. Twitter is completely the wrong place to argue. Twitter makes perfect sense to use it to advertise a blog or make casual comments but that 140 char limitation and the folks that run twitter that are too sensitive to spamming complaints makes it useless for any nuance arguments. I am now just about at the point where I am considering committing twittercide so to speak. I am simply not impressed with the creationist tactics being used on twitter by atheists and the hate going both ways.

Oh yes, I did manage to get suspended as well, though by creationists. "aggressive following" I was simply replying to someone's comment and I contested the suspension. This also leaves a very bad taste in my mouth about the 'service' twitter runs.

After many years of staying away from other social media, I did wonder what the fuss was about twitter. I wonder if perhaps twitter is now on the decline and the cool people have gone elsewhere. Or perhaps twitter is being arrogant about their product? I'm rather curious why they feel it necessary to give n00bs like me a hard time.

It has been an interesting experiment on twitter though. Instead of actually engaging me, the n00b, and showing me another viewpoint that might have had me reconsidering my viewpoint; I see hateful comments, I see blocking so I cannot easily see the alternative viewpoints. Google+ has proven far more interesting to me. I might just stop engaging at all on twitter and linking to g+ instead. We'll see.

I'm also a late-comer I've been on twitter for only several weeks and inactive most of the time. Atheists using creotards techniques haven't yet spoiled my experience, which has been largely positive from a personal POV.
I thought I would hate the character limitation, but I'm now beginning to appreciate epigram as an art form.
So far so good, but I'm planning to keep well away from Facekook and G+. I do use the latter, but exclusively for its videoconferencing features, which are far superior to Skype's.

I really can't figure out twitter, both because the 140 chars is filled with @this and #that RT and shit and also because everytime I go there, the UI is different.

And I am shocked by all the many people that I want to believe are intelligent that seem to hover on it all day -- what sort of jobs do they have?

[Tkmlac]

Steffunny is acting like she gets credit for the concept that a person can't consent to sex if they are drunk enough to not be able to function. Why, then, hasn't she been promoting projects like mystrength.org, a website directed toward teaching males issues surrounding consent in sexual relationships (hetero and gay, btw)? How about promoting a project that teaches women consent, since most aren't even aware of it themselves?

[AndrewV69]

I don't know if just saying "don't rape" is effective. However, there are many people who think having sex with an incapacitated women is not rape. The law says differently. So education about that would be effective, I think.

I will just leave these here because focusing on just the men seems to be a completely ignorant position to take.

Of course if you belong to the school of thought where the woman is never to blame yadda yadda you might think differently.

Study: Half of Women Prefer Drunk Sex
http://living.msn.com/style-beauty/simp ... 867d5b075f

A recent survey revealed that half of German women prefer to have sex after a drink. Fifty-five percent said they like to be tipsy while having sex, and 7 percent want to be downright wasted. Because making love is just so much fun when the room's spinning.

One in 20 women has NEVER had sex sober as they lack body confidence
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/artic ... dence.html

Millions of women drink alcohol before having sex because they lack confidence in their bodies, a study has found.

Almost half of those questioned said they preferred sex while under the influence of alcohol because it helped them to lose their inhibitions and be more adventurous.

Researchers, who surveyed 3,000 women aged between 18 and 50, found the average woman has slept with eight men, but was drunk with at least five of them.

On two of these occasions they couldn't even remember the man's name the next day.

Drunk Woman In Wrong Car:
[youtube]fo2BFol0kOU[/youtube]

[decius]

Mainly Ireland and Holland. Lots of other sentiment against Americans elsewhere but those were the only places I saw physical reactions/intimidation.

I also saw some anti-American hostility in Holland, but it was many years ago and concentrated in coffeeshops (you know what they are for), which are generally run and frequented by Marxists and other fruitcakes. I was hoping this to be a thing of the past, sigh.

[Corylus]

[spoiler]

I've been wondering what an actual definition for the FTB/Skepchick/A+ triumvirate's favourite hobby horse, privilege, would actually be, beyond that of being a white, straight, cisgendered man.
A suggestion from me to start: a person of privilege is someone who, not having the necessary intelligence or work ethic, is able to exercise influence through being born into a certain position (monarchy, aristocracy), through the use of wealth, or both. Examples would include the British royal family, or the Bush and Clinton families in America. Thoughts? Have I got the wrong end of the stick?

I think a little :)

However, it is a stick that has been poked in everyone's face for a while so it is almost impossible to not get the wrong end of it. Privilege generally refers to people being unaware of the lack of possible disadvantages that they encounter (well it used to). It is meant to be conceptualized as a ‘consciousness raising’ concept whereby no blame is attributed to the “privilegee”, but instead the understanding of general disadvantage increased. Such situations are accordingly highlighted with the aim of informing intellectual and societal change. In this model the notion of considering one's own privilege (I utterly refuse to use the word 'check') is just an instruction to consider whether other people have barriers against them that you yourself do not.

For example, I became aware of a lack of barriers for me when I recently accompanied a wheelchair-using friend on a trip involving lots of public transport and a flight. Yes, we could access the services, in that many physical barriers were removed for us, but the emotional barriers were still very much in place. For example, there was the general impression that we were too-much-bother; that is was OK to talk down to us like children; to think it was appropriate to marshal us into roped off areas, and to generally forget about us. It was "no fun" even if vicarious "no fun". Do I now feel guilty for having the full use of my legs? No of course not. Do I have some suggestions for travel companies and their staff? You betcha. Did the whole experience do me good? Why, yes. Yes it did. I was utterly exhausted by the end of it, and I now understand my friend better.

Privilege therefore can be useful tool for exploring issues of disparity and reduced access to employment/services/power etc. These disparities can be the result of historical and cultural artefacts, urban myths, emotionally conditioned reactions, or sheer bloody laziness on the part of service providers. A discussion of 'privilege can be a helpful and enlightening way to talk about reduced access. However, the way that the term is being currently mangled (as you rightly identify as exclusively about white, straight, cisgendered men) is destroying its' utility rather than increasing it. Sigh, to the extent that I actually fear the term is now irrevocably "fooked".

The hijacked notion of privilege that is currently being hawked is actually a great example of ‘essentialist’ thinking (aka ‘you is what you is’). This thinking tends to be rather lazy, and those prone to it seem to like the water of their thought to flow immediately downhill ... rather like those who dislike gay marriage for it is all about “a man and a woman” or those who dislike trans women because they can never understand the pain of those born female.

‘Privilege' itself is actually much more often context-specific as opposed to essentialist. In fact, it must be if we wish to talk about lack of barriers, because different barriers can be raised by different people (I am completely agreeing with Altair here). For example, I am privileged in class terms in that I use standard English pronunciation (with a few additional soft southern inflections). This not an essential part of me though, in that I could change my accent (with training) if I wished, and it is also completely context-specific in that there are areas of the country in which my speech could lead to my encountering problems with others. E.g. Those extreme frozen wastes are are “oop” from North London.

Of course if you fall into essentialist thinking it is very easy to go from noting that experiencing lack of barriers is more common in some parts of the populace ... to assuming that some parts of he populace are the only ones capable of being privilege ... to assuming that those with privilege are obviously part of the mechanisms of discrimination. This is very dangerous in that moral blame gets assigned without justification. It is stupid in that as we get the effortless; oft missed; move from the descriptive to prescriptive. (Oh noes!!) Lastly, and most importantly, it is also a mistaken classification in that when - what is called commonly called “privilege” - becomes essentialist in nature it is actually something better described as ‘discrimination’.

For example, I am discriminated against as a female in terms of my likelihood of access to a certain reserved seats in the upper chamber of British Parliament (the House of Lords) insofar as I am excluded from ever taking up a job as a “Lord Spiritual’. Women cannot be bishops in the Church of England. (OK, I don’t want the job, but that is not the point). This discrimination is enshrined in law, so this is not about privilege. This is not about a context specific barrier - this is about deliberate exclusion. This is thus separate from discussions on privilege.

Of course, discrimination does - and should - annoy us a very great deal, waaay more than privilege does. The above is an example of the law messing with my democratic engagement. This is an outsourcing of my concerns (bishops are very fond of talking about things that actually impact upon me more than them) to people that I have not voted for and who do not represent me. I reserve my true anger for cases like these. I do wish others could do the same.

Now, of course, you can get cases where both privilege and discrimination are present (let’s make it really complicated!). For example, I discovered, to my surprise, that I was more ‘privileged’ as a female than a male when seeking rental accommodation as a student. Landlords (unofficially but consistently) were more likely to take on groups of all females, or mixed gender groups, than they were to take on groups of all males. The rationale was that females were tidier; a civilizing influence, and were overall less likely to trash the house: the actual evidence for this position being distinctly mixed. However, housing discrimination is also explicitly codified against (aka, illegal) – which is why landlords are covert about their choices. So this is both privilege and discrimination.

So where to go from here? The major distinction between ‘privilege’ and ‘discrimination’ is what you do when faced with it. With discrimination you can codify against it and watch for people flouting the law, with privilege you become aware of the process, foster evidence about the intrinsic irrationality of certain positions, and generally make an effort to be equitable in all of your dealings. Sometimes you need to do both - in cases where both privilege and discrimination are present. However, laws and actions seeking to reduce privilege alone are often superfluous at best and ludicrous – or even repressive – at worst. Let's not go there.

Now, back to my example of speech patterns and how this is about privilege alone. There is no reason for me to feel guilty about my speech patterns; seek to change them, or (heaven forfend!) seek to outlaw them. I simply need to be aware that other accents are common and have a care to treat people in response to what they say, rather than the geographical/societal background that their intonation conveys. Privilege and moral condemnation should only go together when people seek to ignore the former in order to avoid the latter.

Of course, it is possible that some moral condemnation is based in an inchoate understanding that a feeling of guilt would actually be appropriate ....

Self-contempt, however vague, sharpens our eyes for the imperfections of others. We usually strive to reveal in others the blemishes we hide in ourselves. Thus when the frustrated congregate in a mass movement, the air is heavy-laden with suspicion. There is prying and spying, tense watching and a sense of being watched. The surprising thing is that this pathological mistrust within the ranks leads not to dissension but to strict conformity. Knowing themselves continually watched, the faithful strive to escape suspicion by adhering zealously to prescribed behavior and opinion.

Eric Hoffer, 1951.

[/spoiler]

Oh dear, I am sorry if I have whittered on a bit! Thank you very much if you have stayed with me so far. However, this really is the only way that I can adequately explain this.

As I say, I fear that the term is now no longer useful.

You are a pleasure to read, as always.

I agree - I like the distinction you've drawn between discrimination (which is generally inarguably bad) and privilege which has been SJW-wanked into oblivion. As a remedy I think(?) you're suggesting a gender/colour/everything-blind approach to dealing with people and to be conscious of doing this (if it's not natural to you) - which sounds fair to me.

Thanks both. Yes, Rayshul that was pretty much what I was saying. It can break down at a certain point (philosophical issues around subjectivity), but having a bash at thinking consciously about of the needs of others as a good thing was exactly what I was arguing for.

Of course, I could just have said 'Be excellent to each other' but I am built just a little verbose ;)

[AnotherLurkerMkII]

Steffunny is acting like she gets credit for the concept that a person can't consent to sex if they are drunk enough to not be able to function. Why, then, hasn't she been promoting projects like mystrength.org, a website directed toward teaching males issues surrounding consent in sexual relationships (hetero and gay, btw)? How about promoting a project that teaches women consent, since most aren't even aware of it themselves?

You say people did know that before Stephie told the world that? Don't be silly, you silly, neurotic, menstruating woman.

(We're still talking about ragging and menstruation and women that have assynchronous menstrual periods and Atheism Plus, right?)

[Mykeru]

You're just bitter someone else is getting the attention.

Well, right now, they're not. See how that works, noob?

I'll derp about 'til I get it right.
More a joke than snark.
oldfag

Don't try that 4chan shit around here, newfag.

Now let me tell you about the way it used to be...

[Tkmlac]

Statistically speaking, one of us wymyns here is probably ragging right this moment. I'd be careful.

[ReneeHendricks]

And I am shocked by all the many people that I want to believe are intelligent that seem to hover on it all day -- what sort of jobs do they have?

I work from home as a freelance web developer, have a laptop, and 2 desktop monitors. I can do quite a lot while working :D

[Mykeru]

All this menstruation talk just reminds me....

[spoiler]http://static.someecards.com/someecards ... 713219.png[/spoiler]

[Tkmlac]

Speaking of internet slang, I heard some kids using deep IRL the other day. It was kinda creepy.

[decius]

And I am shocked by all the many people that I want to believe are intelligent that seem to hover on it all day -- what sort of jobs do they have?

I work from home as a freelance web developer, have a laptop, and 2 desktop monitors. I can do quite a lot while working :D

Don't wave our privilege around so much, you'll make somecunts eye green with envy.

[AbsurdWalls]

[

I've seen a *lot* of Europeans treating Americans like shit, including spitting on them in the street and completely clearing out bars when they enter. .

In which country did you see this?

Mainly Ireland and Holland. Lots of other sentiment against Americans elsewhere but those were the only places I saw physical reactions/intimidation.

[youtube]foW1jZGqll0[/youtube]

[LMU]

It certainly seems reasonable to associate "ragging" with menstruation, though here is a comment that claims it comes from "to rag", to rend, to tear.

http://blogs.standard.net/the-political ... bush-does/

But here are some internet references going back to at 1997 demonstrating that random people on the net think it's associated with menstruation. (Spoiled only because of size of images)

[spoiler]http://i.imgur.com/Mxgjo7c.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/h8pd6fq.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/J37pEaa.jpg[/spoiler]

I am going to admit I was wrong. It isn't used In that way in my part of the world as far as I know. But as I said, usage is the ultimate arbiter of meaning, and that is how it is used in New York or on Facebook or whatever... then that is what it means (as well as tearing strips off of someone).

The issue isn't whether or not *we* think "ragging" is sexist and offensive, the issue is whether anyone anywhere thinks it is sexist and offensive, and clearly some people do. If those people are offended by it's use, then it is the obligation of SJWs everywhere to fight against it's use. Their failure to do so is hypocrisy.

[debaser71]

As I said before, the "new" word for taunting/bagging/ragging/etc is "cutting". ex: Fred was cutting on John and a fight broke out.

I suppose everywhere has it's own flavor of slang.

[AndrewV69]

I will just leave this one here:

http://www.avoiceformen.com/misandry/th ... se-to-see/

Sure, men get raped too. But anyone who thinks the following is a fucking moron:

It is astonishing how much our culture seeks to deny any possibility that a woman may rape with her vagina. But of course, as survivor Typhonblue has so thoroughly documented, not only can they do so, but they do so with near as much frequency as men do with their penises.

Looks like that hit a nerve. Care to elaborate a bit?