If thou gazest long into the Pit, the Pit will also gaze into thee

ReneeHendricks wrote:BTW, in 1 day getting 13% of the goal at Operation Smile ain't bad. Not bad at all :) Now my task is to get that fundraising link out there as much as possible (without pissing people off).

JackRayner wrote:

ReneeHendricks wrote:
So...before even bothering with Dillacunty's argument, I feel the need to point something out: Is *anyone* making the argument that DoorMatt is attempting to refute? I think people should forget all about any stupid analogies comparing Youtube or blog comments to living rooms or whateverthefuck, and pay attention to the claims that he is supposedly refuting. If someone claimed that being banned/blocked from a forum/video channel/blog is violating their free speech, I would disagree, and not give much of a fuck at all. But from my knowledge, this isn't what's being said, and those of you following the carrot he's waving in front of you are giving the strawman he's made credence by trying to defend it. STOP IT.

Pointing out that the baboons are acting just like your typical creationist with their heavy censorship of dissenting speech in their own spaces [blogs, youtube channels, forums] is not the same as saying that they are infringing on others' speech, and DoorMatt totally fails when he conflates the critique against the censorship of dissent with the critique on the following:

- The baboons trying to blacklist individuals from speaking at conferences.
- Sulky Amy's abuse of DMCA. [And request that "fake" jewelry be banned from conferences.]
- Melodramatic Melody launching false flagging campaigns.

Disallowing dissent in your own turf? Whatever. It's your right, but it makes you look like a cowardly, dishonest cunt and not much of a "freethinker". Trying to silence others from speaking everywhere else? An infringement of rights.

So instead of bothering with DoorMatt's arguments, y'all need to stop and question the whole premise. Ask him instead why he is conflating similar but different criticisms, creating a strawman out of his own conflation, and then having a furious slap fight with that strawman...

Any thoughts on that?

cunt wrote:So am I the only one who thought the Eucliwood/LousyCanuck slashfic was funny as fuck? I hope that's what she sent to him.

cunt wrote:So am I the only one who thought the Eucliwood/LousyCanuck slashfic was funny as fuck? I hope that's what she sent to him.

Dick Strawkins wrote:It is simply good thinking to try to get both sides of the story - even if you firmly believe one side. As Hitchens has said, you need to understand why someone is wrong rather then simply believing they are wrong and to do that you need to hear what they are saying. Go to the primary source of the 'wrongness' - understand from first principles.

JackRayner wrote:
So...before even bothering with Dillacunty's argument, I feel the need to point something out: Is *anyone* making the argument that DoorMatt is attempting to refute? I think people should forget all about any stupid analogies comparing Youtube or blog comments to living rooms or whateverthefuck, and pay attention to the claims that he is supposedly refuting. If someone claimed that being banned/blocked from a forum/video channel/blog is violating their free speech, I would disagree, and not give much of a fuck at all. But from my knowledge, this isn't what's being said, and those of you following the carrot he's waving in front of you are giving the strawman he's made credence by trying to defend it. STOP IT.

Pointing out that the baboons are acting just like your typical creationist with their heavy censorship of dissenting speech in their own spaces [blogs, youtube channels, forums] is not the same as saying that they are infringing on others' speech, and DoorMatt totally fails when he conflates the critique against the censorship of dissent with the critique on the following:

- The baboons trying to blacklist individuals from speaking at conferences.
- Sulky Amy's abuse of DMCA. [And request that "fake" jewelry be banned from conferences.]
- Melodramatic Melody launching false flagging campaigns.

Disallowing dissent in your own turf? Whatever. It's your right, but it makes you look like a cowardly, dishonest cunt and not much of a "freethinker". Trying to silence others from speaking everywhere else? An infringement of rights.

So instead of bothering with DoorMatt's arguments, y'all need to stop and question the whole premise. Ask him instead why he is conflating similar but different criticisms, creating a strawman out of his own conflation, and then having a furious slap fight with that strawman...

Any thoughts on that?

codelette wrote:

cunt wrote:So am I the only one who thought the Eucliwood/LousyCanuck slashfic was funny as fuck? I hope that's what she sent to him.

I was nauseated. Not because of how graphic the messages were, but because LC totally dries up all my mucous membranes and just seeing his pic makes me vomit a little inside my mouth.

Dick Strawkins wrote: [spoiler]http://i.imgur.com/KAUdK.jpg[/spoiler]

Edina Monsoon wrote:

ReneeHendricks wrote:BTW, in 1 day getting 13% of the goal at Operation Smile ain't bad. Not bad at all :) Now my task is to get that fundraising link out there as much as possible (without pissing people off).

Thanks for putting this up. I've donated to them before but this has even more impact. Atheism+ is jumping on the bandwagon with their own fundraiser for "Dress For Success." They're even gonna write to Fluevogs soliciting their support. Designer Shoes for Social Justice! You can't make this shit up.

another lurker wrote:UnbelievableSteve wrote:

Onamission5 wrote:
atheismtv, do keep in mind that videos and other recordings are not accessible to many members here due to issues of technology and/or disability. If you have a transcript or summary for that video, do post.


atheismtv wrote:
That is a very good point. If we had more volunteers and funding we'd get someone to make that happen.


Kassiane wrote:
Oh good to know how unimportant my access & that of others is to you. Can't be assed to get a decent mike OR a transcript (I mean, that really is what you're saying here: "we don't actually care. but it's a good point, I guess. But not a good enough point to actually do it!").

Atheism? An ableism & classism problem? NEVAR.


UnbelieveSteve wrote:
Wow! I find these comments astonishing.
"atheismtv" was kind enough to offer you a video clip to view at your leisure, and found this forum to be a suitable canvas to publish(link) material which we may find of significant value. You know, value to the atheist community.

I haven't read a single "Thank You" from any of the first respondents.
What the hell is wrong with some of you? Do you treat YouTube with the same disdain for not accommodating you for each and every limp dick ailment? Hey, some may be hard of hearing, others vision impaired. I get all that But you are implying that it's the responsibility of (in this case) AtheismTV to accommodate each and every little snowflake here and in return be given a fuckin' finger for not buying you all brand new computers with headsets and 3D glasses so you can view the video clip unobstructed?

Atheismtv actually agreed on one valid point. The transcription of said video. Great idea! Well you fuckin' do it yourself.

For shame. Shame on you, especially you Kassiane. I'm surprised you didn't throw in the usual troll words like "privilege" Oh wait,......

If i were you i'd grant atheismtv a pass. He/she/it was completely unaware that "Atheismplus" does not fly the Atheism flag. It's just a pretty little name for you folks.
Fucken shame!
AtheismPlus. Plus fucken nothing. Bunch of retards.
Yes i said retards. Fuck you and your politically correct garbage.

Awesome post Steve. You put into words everything that I was thinking. I love the part about buying the snowflakes 3D headsets:P Hey, maybe the mods should ask for donations:P

Edina Monsoon wrote:

ReneeHendricks wrote:BTW, in 1 day getting 13% of the goal at Operation Smile ain't bad. Not bad at all :) Now my task is to get that fundraising link out there as much as possible (without pissing people off).

Thanks for putting this up. I've donated to them before but this has even more impact. Atheism+ is jumping on the bandwagon with their own fundraiser for "Dress For Success." They're even gonna write to Fluevogs soliciting their support. Designer Shoes for Social Justice! You can't make this shit up.

TedDahlberg wrote:

cunt wrote:Dear Sarah Silverman,

I'd dearly love to see that.

SPACKlick wrote:

Edina Monsoon wrote:

ReneeHendricks wrote:BTW, in 1 day getting 13% of the goal at Operation Smile ain't bad. Not bad at all :) Now my task is to get that fundraising link out there as much as possible (without pissing people off).

Thanks for putting this up. I've donated to them before but this has even more impact. Atheism+ is jumping on the bandwagon with their own fundraiser for "Dress For Success." They're even gonna write to Fluevogs soliciting their support. Designer Shoes for Social Justice! You can't make this shit up.

Link please!

ReneeHendricks wrote:Ooooooh, Reap! I am looking forward to the Oolon podcast :D Really I am. It'll be interesting to hear how much of a fence-rider he is "live"!

cunt wrote:

TedDahlberg wrote:

cunt wrote:Dear Sarah Silverman,

I'd dearly love to see that.

I think this might make their heads explode.

[spoiler][youtube]P5IoKVHNXmI[/youtube][/spoiler]

Scented Nectar wrote: The free speech part of me doesn't want to ban her, but I sure would like her to take responsibility for the shit she wrote and stop doing it, although she seems to have taken it to his email instead now. It's not often that I consider threats/harassment to be credible, but she's doing that insane sort of psychotic believing that she's got something going with someone, only it's all in her head. I hope Jason publishes what she wrote him, but maybe he'd be scared to show a female doing all those bad things since we all know that it's only men who do those things, and only to women.

ReneeHendricks wrote:

SPACKlick wrote:

Edina Monsoon wrote:

ReneeHendricks wrote:BTW, in 1 day getting 13% of the goal at Operation Smile ain't bad. Not bad at all :) Now my task is to get that fundraising link out there as much as possible (without pissing people off).

Thanks for putting this up. I've donated to them before but this has even more impact. Atheism+ is jumping on the bandwagon with their own fundraiser for "Dress For Success." They're even gonna write to Fluevogs soliciting their support. Designer Shoes for Social Justice! You can't make this shit up.

Link please!

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic ... vog#p62354

ReneeHendricks wrote:

SPACKlick wrote:

Edina Monsoon wrote:

ReneeHendricks wrote:BTW, in 1 day getting 13% of the goal at Operation Smile ain't bad. Not bad at all :) Now my task is to get that fundraising link out there as much as possible (without pissing people off).

Thanks for putting this up. I've donated to them before but this has even more impact. Atheism+ is jumping on the bandwagon with their own fundraiser for "Dress For Success." They're even gonna write to Fluevogs soliciting their support. Designer Shoes for Social Justice! You can't make this shit up.

Link please!

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic ... vog#p62354

another lurker wrote:
nonono. They *approve* of Sarah Silverman rape jokes, because those jokes shame rapists, and do not trivialize rape. During Toshgate they posted reams of rape jokes that were A+ approved, and Silverman made the cut.

Though, I doubt they approve of her use of the word 'cunt', amongst other things.

emptyell: "For those who haven't heard there is a big brouhaha going on over at FTB about the manufactroversy over Greta Christina buying herself a nice pair of shoes. I'm too lazy to do links on my iPad at the moment but if you want to read a whole bunch of stupid about why cancer survivors shouldn't have nice things (at least not if their friends and fans helped them out) you can read the comments at Greta's, Ophelia's and Stephanie's blogs."

Mr Danksworth wrote:

Scented Nectar wrote: Ewwood, what the fuck is the matter with you? Why the fuck are you sexually harassing jason from here. We may not like him, but you don't get to use this place to stalk and sexually creep him out with your graphics fantasies, fantasies that by the way sound real, and NOT like joking ones done to a person only to get them going or to troll them. In other words, you're an authentic fucking sicko, and you're dragging our good name down to baboon level. What the fuck do you have to say for yourself? You've taken your unrequited love shit to his personal email too?!?! What the fuck bitch?

I hope you're just a poe, because if you're for real (and fuck it, even if not), I'm actually going to be totally on Jason's side on this one. I consider doing what you've done both publicly here and your emails to him to be a mild, but AUTHENTIC case of sexual harassment. You also have stalker tendencies, meaning the psycho twilight-zone-music type of stalker.

Ewwood, put the Lousy Canuck down and step away slowly please. I don't want to have to taser you.

[How can someone be such an insane pest that I even defend ftbers from her?] Ewwood, you're a creep, and I can't imagine what you wrote Jason in the email, but if it's anything like you've done here, no wonder he's creeped out!

Seconded. Lsuoma, please make s/h/it disappear. Just like Oolon and his kiddie porn, this wankstain has gone too far.

EdgePenguin wrote:"I hate it when people talk to me! How dare these 'doctors', 'nurses' and 'midwives' talk down to me as if I don't have any relevant training!?"

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3528

The descent continues...

Sylvia Sybil, prominent A+theism cunt, wrote:Opening disclaimer: this is a thread about reproduction and uteri. Since I know that references to "female" anatomy are erasing of many trans* folks, that "person with a uterus" can be seen as reducing people to incubators, and that the AFAB acronym presents accessibility issues to some folks, I will be copy/pasting "assigned-female-at-birth people" to refer to people who are biologically capable of becoming pregnant. Please let me know if this terminology doesn't work in some way and I will be happy to correct it.

codelette wrote:At this point(and after reading Eucliwood's posts) at A+, I'm pretty it is a poe doing research. I'll say, don't ban the poe. Don't get to worked up with the poe. If the poe post something illegal, then only delete that post. Otherwise, I say: Eucliwood, welcome to the pit. Hope your research is working out fine.

jimthepleb wrote: I couldn't find any data on 'making videos' whilst driving, but some good stuff on driving whilst distracted. I'm assuming i won't get a response until he has thoroughly investigated the data...

rocko2466 wrote:Hey - skip to the bold part.
Critical thinking clue: naming the fallacy you're about to commit doesn't mean you haven't committed a fallacy.
http://freethoughtblogs.com/greta/2013/ ... does-work/

Imelda Christina wrote:The “Don’t Be That Guy” campaign is a public service rape prevention campaign launched in Edmonton in 2010, and adopted by other cities in Canada, which took the radical step of aiming its message, not at potential rape victims, but at potential rapists.

Imelda Christina wrote: A rape prevention campaign targeted at potential rapists rather than potential victims was launched… and the number of reported sexual assaults fell by 10 per cent.[...]
[...]This was a one-shot public service campaign: a series of posters distributed in bars, nightclubs, transit stations and campus facilities. And it still had the apparent result of reducing the rate of rape by 10%.

Grimalkin wrote:And even before it was expanded it lowered (reported) rape rates by TEN FUCKING PERCENT.

The success in Vancouver is welcoming news. However, yesterday it was reported that rapes in Edmonton had risen year over year. In 2010, there were 600 rapes reported, compared with 687 in 2011[...]
[...] there are at least two reasons for this: victims are now less reluctant to report assaults and young people have greater access to drugs and alcohol.

Rape Relief response to police-reported crime statistics in Canada, 2011

http://www.theunexpectedtnt.com/2012/01 ... t-guy.html
http://vancouver.ca/police/Planning/Sta ... 011YTD.pdf[/spoiler]

Cunning Punt wrote:I do believe the brilliant Barbara Drescher has just called PZ Myers an asshole.
I'll probably go all Eucliwood and dream about her tonight. But I'll keep it to myself.

codelette wrote:I have to add that it is completely hilarious that the bunch of failures from "Victim Central" are trying to help people to "dress for success". Isn't that a trigger warning for: lookism, classism, getting a job.?

AbsurdWalls wrote:

ReneeHendricks wrote:

SPACKlick wrote:

Edina Monsoon wrote:

ReneeHendricks wrote:BTW, in 1 day getting 13% of the goal at Operation Smile ain't bad. Not bad at all :) Now my task is to get that fundraising link out there as much as possible (without pissing people off).

Thanks for putting this up. I've donated to them before but this has even more impact. Atheism+ is jumping on the bandwagon with their own fundraiser for "Dress For Success." They're even gonna write to Fluevogs soliciting their support. Designer Shoes for Social Justice! You can't make this shit up.

Link please!

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic ... vog#p62354

Not to get all WHAT ABOUT TEH MENZ!? but why make a charity like that exclusive to one gender?

Mark Neil wrote:

ReneeHendricks wrote:

Outwest wrote:

ReneeHendricks wrote:Sigh. So, Dillahunty has a new video up on Free Speech, Censorship and Banning. I haven't watched it yet (gearing up to be masochistic this morning) but I'll put it here for everyone else to torture themselves as they see fit:

[tubiestuff]lqbp3MNhnCc[/tubiestuff]

This guy is such a twit. "Free Speech"? Hell, I couldn't make it all the way through the video. He speaks about people not having a right to come into your house and say whatever they want. You know, he's right! But then, I don't leave the door to my house open where anyone can just walk in. People ring the doorbell, or knock, I look to see if it's someone I know, then I either let them in or not.

He's comparing this to social media. Well, if you only want your friends to see your facebook page,twitter account, blog, etc. the make it PRIVATE and only those you specifically allow to come in can comment. People you actually know. Otherwise, it's pretty much an open forum, especially on a blog, and even if you do have "registration" enabled, you don't necessarily know who those people are or what they might say.

I hope someone else can listen to it all. Maybe he makes a point or 2 in the second half that I just couldn't hold it in long enough to listen to. This guy has absolutely NO critical thinking skills. He says in the beginning he's doing a "brain dump". Well his brains are shit then because he hasn't thought about what he was going to say before he took his dump.

I managed to make it all the way through. I agree with your points and wanted to add that Dillahunty is coming across more and more pompous lately.

I like justicars analogy of a party in the backyard.

WoolyBumblebee wrote:And in other news...

http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa3 ... f321dc.png

Awww... There's a good husband! Give him a treat Melody.

http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa3 ... 61951.jpeg

codelette wrote:

cunt wrote:So am I the only one who thought the Eucliwood/LousyCanuck slashfic was funny as fuck? I hope that's what she sent to him.

I was nauseated. Not because of how graphic the messages were, but because LC totally dries up all my mucous membranes and just seeing his pic makes me vomit a little inside my mouth.

Michael J wrote:I've been getting pop up ads on FTB lately. These ads tend to pay the best but most sites avoid then because they annoy the crap out of people and is something I associate more with those fake how-to sites.

Is this another sign of the descent of FTB into the morass?

We also should stop letting the Baboons call what is happening a rift. They in fact living in a rapidly shrinking bubble.

AbsurdWalls wrote:

Cunning Punt wrote:I do believe the brilliant Barbara Drescher has just called PZ Myers an asshole.
I'll probably go all Eucliwood and dream about her tonight. But I'll keep it to myself.

Sincere? Ironic? What has she done that is brilliant?

Al Stefanelli wrote:Regarding Noelplum99's reply to Matt Dillahunty's video on freeze peach, the analogy (heh heh 'anal'ogy) of the "front room" that he turned back on Matt is very similar to what I've said and written over the years.

I don't moderate my social networks, or my YouTube channel. Or my blog. For the very reason that by virtue of my venues being in the public domain, I am inviting people to comment on what I said or wrote.

If you are a public figure, you must deal with the public. It's really that simple. My blog is split into two parts. The top part is mine, the bottom part is theirs. They don't have to agree with me or even like me. It's not a cult of personality.

WoolyBumblebee wrote:Those morons are throwing their money at Greta to do what? Teach us a lesson? What a childish, and utterly idiotic way to prove some twisted point they have. Not only that, but Gretta is actually accepting all these 'donations'? WTF? If she had any sense of decency she'd be refunding everyone and telling people not to give her any cash. She is such a greedy bitch. I am seriously disgusted with her. In fact, she tops my cunt list at the moment. Something I never thought Gretta could accomplish, but she has.

WoolyBumblebee wrote:And in other news...

http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa3 ... f321dc.png

Awww... There's a good husband! Give him a treat Melody.

http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa3 ... 61951.jpeg

TedDahlberg wrote:Now, on the topic of comedians, and dealing with utter crap in life, check out Tig Notaro.

It's an amazing, uncomfortable document, as Notaro relates her recent run of tragedy: her breakup with her girlfriend, the sudden death of her mother, her hospitalization with a bacterial infection and, of course, breast cancer – which has spread to her lymph nodes.

Now I haven't had a chance to listen to the set myself as I only found out about it a few minutes ago, but I've made it a point to see or listen to everything I can find with her.

WoolyBumblebee wrote:And in other news...

http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa3 ... f321dc.png

Awww... There's a good husband! Give him a treat Melody.

http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa3 ... 61951.jpeg

Lsuoma wrote:And is it just more, or do people feel the thread has more snap? I'll probably be restarting at 10K each time - I had hear no complaints at that point.

WoolyBumblebee wrote:And in other news...

http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa3 ... f321dc.png

Cunning Punt wrote:

AbsurdWalls wrote:

Cunning Punt wrote:I do believe the brilliant Barbara Drescher has just called PZ Myers an asshole.
I'll probably go all Eucliwood and dream about her tonight. But I'll keep it to myself.

Sincere? Ironic? What has she done that is brilliant?

Sincere, yes. "Brilliant" is a little OTT but I think she's a very smart person and a credit to the skeptic movement. I recommend her blog:

http://icbseverywhere.com/

welch wrote:

WoolyBumblebee wrote:Those morons are throwing their money at Greta to do what? Teach us a lesson? What a childish, and utterly idiotic way to prove some twisted point they have. Not only that, but Gretta is actually accepting all these 'donations'? WTF? If she had any sense of decency she'd be refunding everyone and telling people not to give her any cash. She is such a greedy bitch. I am seriously disgusted with her. In fact, she tops my cunt list at the moment. Something I never thought Gretta could accomplish, but she has.

I'm all in favor of taking money from the stupid. If they want to send her money to "teach us a lesson", they should. In fact, I haven't learned a fucking thing yet, so they should send Greta MORE money. IN fact, they should relentlessly send her every fucking dime they have or make UNTIL I LEARN MY LESSON! BE IT WEEKS, YEARS, NAY DECADES, IT SHALL NOT STOP. THEY SHALL SEND GRETA ALL THEIR MONEY UNTIL BASTARDS LIKE US LEARN OUR FUCKING PLACE.

AbsurdWalls wrote:

Cunning Punt wrote:

AbsurdWalls wrote:

Cunning Punt wrote:I do believe the brilliant Barbara Drescher has just called PZ Myers an asshole.
I'll probably go all Eucliwood and dream about her tonight. But I'll keep it to myself.

Sincere? Ironic? What has she done that is brilliant?

Sincere, yes. "Brilliant" is a little OTT but I think she's a very smart person and a credit to the skeptic movement. I recommend her blog:

http://icbseverywhere.com/

I spotted that she's chummy with Greg Laden and thought you were joking. I will have a look.

Caine, Fleur du mal +

8 January 2013 at 2:52 pm (UTC -6)

Rob, if you’re not familiar with Paul Elam or JohnTheOther or the rest of AVFM, do some reading at manboobz.

Tigzy wrote:

WoolyBumblebee wrote:And in other news...

http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa3 ... f321dc.png

To me, that looks like she's trying to tell herself she still loves a man who no longer does it for her.

TheMan wrote:With the reported low activity over at the A+ forum.... just wondering if they may have gone underground/private somewhere else.

I was also wondering if the real intent of the A+ forums was to quarantine a section of the commentators away from FTB in order to distance some of the nuttier ones away under the guise of "safe space".

Metalogic42 wrote:

Matt Dillahunty wrote:You have the right to speak. You do not, though, have a right to an audience.

Christopher Hitchens wrote:I'll be very daring, and summarize all three of these great gentlemen of the great tradition, of especially English liberty, in one go. What they say is, "It's not just the right of the person who speaks to be heard. It is the right of everyone in the audience to listen, and to hear. And every time you silence somebody, you make yourself a prisoner of your own action, because you deny yourself the right to hear something."