The Periodic Table's Younger, Sexier, Sibling Thread...

[Guest]

“BTW, not that it'll make an ounce of difference to Cobweb Cunt, but there is not nor ever has been a Jerry Conlon or similar user name registered here.”

Suggest you check out user JTC. Here’s a hint, dumbass. viewtopic.php?f=31&t=73&start=40275#p42405

[cunt]

But I figure that anyone that does pay attention to them, if they do read a comment thread, they'll be able to pick up on the bullying and the banning.

Exactly. Do that, and Nerd Of Redhead, Brownian, Sally Strange, Caine etc. will be on you within the hour to do the slymepits heavy lifting.

Forget to mention, age your accounts. Register one and don't use it or use it sparingly for a month or so then hit them on particularly offensive or ridiculous thread, and don't brag about it here. Stealth mode.

[acathode]

Acathode, what I mean is that is each one has to be responsible about what they say or how the act. This twitter seems to be using a real name, since there is ambiguity that what he saids was a stupid joke or an actual threat (I personally think it was a very distastefull joke), it will be used agaisnt him. Their courts presume you are guilty until proven innocent-Never happens.
They guy was dressed similar to a soldier. If this is the case, he could be in deep shit if this gets reported to a commanding officer. If I was a public person online, I would conduct myself like a politian in constant campaign mode.
But you are right, this is also about "guilt-by-association", even if no such association exist.

I agree with you, but the thing I'm trying to get to is that in a few weeks time, the FTBers will hardly remember this guy's name, what they will remember very strongly, and bring up every chance they have, is that "slymepitters" and haters threatened to throw acid in Benson face, and that people like Thunderf00t and Noelplum associate with pitters like that speaks volumes about their despicable characters, etc etc etc in their everlasting smear-campaign.

[Lsuoma]

“BTW, not that it'll make an ounce of difference to Cobweb Cunt, but there is not nor ever has been a Jerry Conlon or similar user name registered here.”

Suggest you check out user JTC. Here’s a hint, dumbass. viewtopic.php?f=31&t=73&start=40275#p42405

My, but someone's throwing a tammy strop, no?

[Gefan]

So, tomorrow we get to attend the funeral of a friend. He was diagnosed with Cancer in the Spring of 2011. In August of that year a big farewell party was held in his honor. It was a genuine celebration of the man's life and although he was there and smilingly presiding over the whole thing his wife was a wreck and no-one seemed to think he would last past Halloween. He surprised everyone and lived another year and a half.
In lieu of flowers, his widow has asked we all donate to a cancer charity.

I shall be more than surprised if any of the money donated gets spent of Fluevogs.

Once again, because at this moment it seems to me that it cannot be said enough; "Fuck you Greta Christina".

[Axel]

If this guy is real or his nyn, they will remember his name. People have lost their jobs for less than this. Expect more of this baitin'. This strategy 'writes itself'.

[Lsuoma]

Over the last 30-40 minutes I've been going back and reading the early days of the pit.

I can't imagine it could be better said than in the words or William Wordsworth's "French Revolution":

OH! pleasant exercise of hope and joy!
For mighty were the auxiliars which then stood
Upon our side, we who were strong in love!
Bliss was it in that dawn to be alive,
But to be young was very heaven!--Oh! times,
In which the meagre, stale, forbidding ways
Of custom, law, and statute, took at once
The attraction of a country in romance!
When Reason seemed the most to assert her rights,
When most intent on making of herself
A prime Enchantress--to assist the work,
Which then was going forward in her name!
Not favoured spots alone, but the whole earth,
The beauty wore of promise, that which sets
(As at some moment might not be unfelt
Among the bowers of paradise itself)
The budding rose above the rose full blown.
What temper at the prospect did not wake
To happiness unthought of? The inert
Were roused, and lively natures rapt away!
They who had fed their childhood upon dreams,
The playfellows of fancy, who had made
All powers of swiftness, subtilty, and strength
Their ministers,--who in lordly wise had stirred
Among the grandest objects of the sense,
And dealt with whatsoever they found there
As if they had within some lurking right
To wield it;--they, too, who, of gentle mood,
Had watched all gentle motions, and to these
Had fitted their own thoughts, schemers more mild,
And in the region of their peaceful selves;--
Now was it that both found, the meek and lofty
Did both find, helpers to their heart's desire,
And stuff at hand, plastic as they could wish;
Were called upon to exercise their skill,
Not in Utopia, subterranean fields,
Or some secreted island, Heaven knows where!
But in the very world, which is the world
Of all of us,--the place where in the end
We find our happiness, or not at all!

[aweraw]

Linkie?

[spoiler]http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/aircr ... Xlarge.jpg[/spoiler] needed.

At least, that's what Ophelia had decided to start using. I thought I saw a commenter use it too, but can't find the reference.

[spoiler]http://i.imgur.com/RUishS4.png[/spoiler]
[spoiler]http://i.imgur.com/fn1KLnE.png[/spoiler]

[somedumbguy]

But I figure that anyone that does pay attention to them, if they do read a comment thread, they'll be able to pick up on the bullying and the banning.

Exactly. Do that, and Nerd Of Redhead, Brownian, Sally Strange, Caine etc. will be on you within the hour to do the slymepits heavy lifting.

Forget to mention, age your accounts. Register one and don't use it or use it sparingly for a month or so then hit them on particularly offensive or ridiculous thread, and don't brag about it here. Stealth mode.

http://i.imgur.com/VPTC8xz.jpg

The other thing is, if you argue with them firmly, politely, with facts and logic, then you aren't a troll, (though they certainly will call you a troll) and so the eventual banning is the actual reward, their resigning, your winning of the game. And in many ways it's an educational process. Helps me hone my arguments, and makes sure I understand what I am saying, or learn how to say it better next time.

[Lsuoma]

Linkie?

[spoiler]http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/aircr ... Xlarge.jpg[/spoiler] needed.

At least, that's what Ophelia had decided to start using. I thought I saw a commenter use it too, but can't find the reference.

http://i.imgur.com/RUishS4.png
http://i.imgur.com/fn1KLnE.png

So "this thread" won't "work out" because Pitters had the temerity to actually exemplify the nebulous allusion that OCC had made in her precious victimhood? Well, sucks to be her, because her vile bluff has been called, and she's holding a 7-high hand. I don't think that acid should be thrown in her face, but I'd gladly see OCC in the stocks and rotten fruit and veg being thrown at her. She is despicable.

OCC = Old Cobweb Cunt ( and probably mildew too, BTW))

[Dan]

So "this thread" won't "work out" because Pitters had the temerity to actually exemplify the nebulous allusion that OCC had made in her precious victimhood? Well, sucks to be her, because her vile bluff has been called, and she's holding a 7-high hand. I don't think that acid should be thrown in her face, but I'd gladly see OCC in the stocks and rotten fruit and veg being thrown at her. She is despicable.

OCC = Old Cobweb Cunt ( and probably mildew too, BTW))

You make it sound like Ophie McPrune's cunt is like Jurassic park or an open range zoo.

[Skep tickle]

[spoiler]

Here's my reply to Ophelia and her "Heroic Standard" blog. I really wonder how much it must suck to just sit around and cry while you wish things better
Christ Ophelia what do you expect from the world? Life isn't fair, bad things happen, people are unfair sometimes too. By saying "People shouldn’t have to overcome barriers that shouldn’t be there in the first place." You may as well say "People shouldn't die" and then go into a pointless spiral of why people should get to live forever and how bad dying is. Nature created barriers not people. They are a part of evolving. I'm glad there are barriers for us to overcome. Since life doesn't allow us to choose what barriers it deals to us sometimes those barriers are unfair to say the least. The alternative is sailing through life with no challenge, nothing to aspire to, no accomplishments, and no progression. It would be some people's idea of heaven but not mine. You can't start the game at the end of it and expect to get anything from it.
Harriet Hall lives in the reality I am describing. She accepts that life is going to keep doing what it always has. It's the way she deals with it that makes me respect her. Instead of crying and complaining she acts on what she can change and does the best she can with what she can not change. Best thing is...She accepts science. Take a look at the latest atheist census numbers. Look at the numbers of men who identify as atheist vs the numbers for women. Then try to convince people the numbers at atheist conventions should be 50-50 men/women. What are you going to do about that problem? Are you going to force women to start calling themselves atheists and force them to attend conferences? I simply can't believe some of the crap I hear coming from the FTB 'skeptics/atheists' I don't know if you think by repeating rhetoric enough times it will become accurate data or if you are just convinced you are correct and above error. Whatever it is I'm just glad it seems to be limiting itself to this one box of FTB. I wonder if you will ever manage to climb out.

Ophelia wants the world planed smooth for her. She wants no challenge harder than making coffee, she wishes all accomplishments to be handed to her simply because she showed up. To her I say:

http://zenpencils.com/comic/86-randy-pa ... ick-walls/

How bad do you want it? That's what you get.

When my son was much younger, third grade or so, we would play "Pokemon Stadium" together. The first few times we played, I won, and he started talking about how that was unfair, because I was older. I told him:

"Kiddo, I'm not going to ever "let you win". I think that's a kind of lying, and I try not to lie to you. But I will tell you this. If you practice, you'll get better, and one day, you'll beat me. When you do, you'll know that I didn't let you win, but that you earned honest victory from an opponent who was sincerely trying to wipe the floor with you. I guarantee, you'll like how that feels."

A month or so later, he won. Wasn't pretty, the little bastard had turned into some kind of video game Patton on me. The victory dance lasted about twenty minutes, and I let him have every minute of it because he'd earned it, fairly and honestly.

If the only victories and achievements we get are the ones handed to us, then we don't have shit. Sure, we all wish things were easier or better. But to actively try to make things go all "Harrison Bergeron"?

That's kinda fucked up.

[/spoiler]
Barbara Drescher and I talk about the same thing on the next AA podcast, at length. I'll have it posted tonight or tomorrow morning

http://angryatheist.info/?p=1005&utm_so ... a-drescher

Just listened to (and quite enjoyed) that episode; it touched on narcissism, skepticism & lack thereof, and cognitive biases (among other topics).

[comslave]

Here's my reply to Ophelia and her "Heroic Standard" blog. I really wonder how much it must suck to just sit around and cry while you wish things better
Christ Ophelia what do you expect from the world? Life isn't fair, bad things happen, people are unfair sometimes too. By saying "People shouldn’t have to overcome barriers that shouldn’t be there in the first place." You may as well say "People shouldn't die" and then go into a pointless spiral of why people should get to live forever and how bad dying is. Nature created barriers not people. They are a part of evolving. I'm glad there are barriers for us to overcome. Since life doesn't allow us to choose what barriers it deals to us sometimes those barriers are unfair to say the least. The alternative is sailing through life with no challenge, nothing to aspire to, no accomplishments, and no progression. It would be some people's idea of heaven but not mine. You can't start the game at the end of it and expect to get anything from it.
Harriet Hall lives in the reality I am describing. She accepts that life is going to keep doing what it always has. It's the way she deals with it that makes me respect her. Instead of crying and complaining she acts on what she can change and does the best she can with what she can not change. Best thing is...She accepts science. Take a look at the latest atheist census numbers. Look at the numbers of men who identify as atheist vs the numbers for women. Then try to convince people the numbers at atheist conventions should be 50-50 men/women. What are you going to do about that problem? Are you going to force women to start calling themselves atheists and force them to attend conferences? I simply can't believe some of the crap I hear coming from the FTB 'skeptics/atheists' I don't know if you think by repeating rhetoric enough times it will become accurate data or if you are just convinced you are correct and above error. Whatever it is I'm just glad it seems to be limiting itself to this one box of FTB. I wonder if you will ever manage to climb out.

I'll just leave this here:
[youtube]U30dYpSUVUw[/youtube]

[AndrewV69]

“BTW, not that it'll make an ounce of difference to Cobweb Cunt, but there is not nor ever has been a Jerry Conlon or similar user name registered here.”

Suggest you check out user JTC. Here’s a hint, dumbass. viewtopic.php?f=31&t=73&start=40275#p42405

My, but someone's throwing a tammy strop, no?

Aye. In any event JTC apparently:

Joined: Fri Nov 16, 2012 12:23 pm
Last visited: Fri Jan 18, 2013 5:58 pm
Total posts: 11

[Skep tickle]

“BTW, not that it'll make an ounce of difference to Cobweb Cunt, but there is not nor ever has been a Jerry Conlon or similar user name registered here.”

Suggest you check out user JTC. Here’s a hint, dumbass. viewtopic.php?f=31&t=73&start=40275#p42405

1) Thanks for pointing to it; yes, indeed, looky, there's that name in a post here at the pit.

2) FWIW, there's nothing about that post that sounds unreasonable (and JTC has 10 other posts, if someone feels the urge to comb through them as a homework assignment or in preparation for reporting him; hi, Ophelia!)...but even if there was, anyone can post here, with or without creating an account; banning & editing of posts & blocking & disemvowelment are not done (spoiler snafus, and rarely a spammer, as exceptions to the no-edit/no-ban mantra, as basic maintenance in order to keep the pit from becoming unreadable, or at least that's how I see it)

3) Slymepit isn't responsible for that guy's, or anyone's, Tweet, no matter how ill-advised, or (in other cases) how witty or on-target.

4) In posting a story about an acid-attack and throwing the spotlight on her own fear of such an attack, Ophelia is the one who started the ball rolling down that particular chute (though indeed the person who tweeted the presumably-joking possible-threat is responsible for the content of his Tweet).

[Dick Strawkins]

Jerry Conlon, what a fucking idiot.
Ophelia must think Christmas just came twice.
Her stupid post about her own situation being comparable to that of that acid attack victims was attracting tumbleweeds from her sycophants - even they could sense she was flailing wildly to get in on the victim roster.

And then up pops Conlon with a perfectly wrapped gift.

If he had posted the same here I would have no hesitation in calling for him to be banned from here.
Yes, we allow freedom of speech here but once you start putting things that could be considered a threat then you are not only acting like a vile fuckwit, you are putting the whole board in danger of being closed down (the same goes for posting porn here.)
It was a vile and disgusting post by Conlon. Whether it was a joke about exfoliating agents or not (and I presume not - it looked to me like he tried to use that as an excuse afterwards) it could be interpreted as threatening. If Ophelia does feel threatened then nobody here is defending the guy. Ophelia, if you think it was a real threat rather than a disgusting 'joke' then report him to the police.

By the way I was amused by wowbagger jumping in to the fray.

http://i.imgur.com/7ecvqr8.jpg

Remember, this is the same individual who said the following:

http://i.imgur.com/MupR00h.jpg

He specifically emphasized that he wasn't joking.
Aren't both wowbaggers and Conlon's comments equally bad?

If Conlon should be banned (and, as I've said, if he posted it here I would say yes ban him) then shouldn't wowbagger? (and other members of the FTB horde such as brownian and spokesgay who have made similar statements in the past.)

[Skep tickle]

Ixnay on the anhammerbay, I say. Someone posts a kneejerk threat like that here, let him then have to defend his comment here. (Posting a credible specific threat would warrant reporting to whichever authorities would have jurisdiction, which probably depends on location, but I don't see a reason to ban unless someone is so disruptive the board can't function. Or unless there's some legal reason to need to restrict a person's access; I'm not sure how that works, who has jurisdiction, etc.)

IMO Wowbagger's 5/2012 comment is worse than JTC's recent one, because Wowbagger clarified that s/h/it meant that s/h/it was specifically wishing an actual horrible death on a specific person/poster. JTC's "clarification" was that s/h/it was talking about skin products and Ophelia's face.

[Ape+lust]

...Remember, this is the same individual who said the following:

http://i.imgur.com/MupR00h.jpg

He specifically emphasized that he wasn't joking.
Aren't both wowbaggers and Conlon's comments equally bad?

If Conlon should be banned (and, as I've said, if he posted it here I would say yes ban him) then shouldn't wowbagger? (and other members of the FTB horde such as brownian and spokesgay who have made similar statements in the past.)

Banned? Shit, here's the little martinet once again showing he expects royal indulgence when it comes to living by the rules he sets for others:

http://i.imgur.com/Rc15D0e.jpg

PZ is citing Wowbagger's "excellent response" (which is just the tired "smug atheist" trope theists used to annoy him with) in a speech on Sept 2, 4 months after Wowbagger lost his shit.

[Al Stefanelli]

[youtube]1jXLo4_dGBQ[/youtube]

[Bhurzum]

If Conlon should be banned (and, as I've said, if he posted it here I would say yes ban him) then shouldn't wowbagger? (and other members of the FTB horde such as brownian and spokesgay who have made similar statements in the past.)

Absolutely.

The screeching harpy-queen of atheism plus (Rebecca "Elevator-bane" Watson) equates this type of comment to "threats" and has built a career around (allegedly) receiving them.

[spoiler]http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/ ... 101237.jpg[/spoiler]

If that standard applies to her, it should apply to anyone.

Right?

[Lurkion]

Ixnay on the anhammerbay, I say. Someone posts a kneejerk threat like that here, let him then have to defend his comment here. (Posting a credible specific threat would warrant reporting to whichever authorities would have jurisdiction, which probably depends on location, but I don't see a reason to ban unless someone is so disruptive the board can't function. Or unless there's some legal reason to need to restrict a person's access; I'm not sure how that works, who has jurisdiction, etc.)

It wasn't a threat. It was atrocious, but it wasn't a threat.

A threat is a communicated intent to inflict harm or loss on another person.

Let's not buy into their language just because we're offended too.

[sacha]

I'm racist. I fucking hate honkies.

One of them self-hating crackers.

I'm not racist, but honkies should all be in camps.

I'm not racist, I hate everybody.

"Now, personally, I am baffled by the concept of racial prejudice. Why hate someone based on the color of their skin when, if you take the time to get to know them as a human being, you can find so many other things to hate them for?" - Dennis Miller

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

Trully a despicable tweet by Jerry. And if he was trying to joke, the delivery was just aweful. And yes, indeed, he posted here 11 times, none of his posts being nefarious in any way http://www.slymepit.com/phpbb/search.ph ... 1&sr=posts

Maybe it was just a rookie mistake, but one that may cost dearly.

[sacha]

and speaking of Misanthropy:

I Respect Your Feelings as a Woman

"...Women are confused. They don't want sensitive men because they're too weak, but when men overpower them, they run to the police because they know that their power lies in manipulation. They're only independent, strong crusaders until the fist hits the face. It would be almost admirable if they were consciously playing both sides of the fence, but they lack the intelligence to do so.

Statistics show that women are just as likely to be the instigators of domestic violence as men, and if they don't directly cause the abuse session, they indirectly cause it by pushing buttons.

Women aren't timid, peace-loving creatures. In a female-dominated world, violence wouldn't be eradicated. Studies estimate the rate of domestic violence among lesbians is comparable to the rate of domestic violence among heterosexuals, showing that the warm embrace of a woman is often preceded by a right hook.

Women have become the sexually abused children of the '90s. No one doubted the "precious, innocent" children in the myriad sex abuse cases that rocked the '80s. Now, no one doubts women. If she says it was abuse, it was abuse. If she neglects to mention that she destroyed her boyfriend's vast pornography collection and tithed ten percent of his income to the Church, so much the better for the women's movement.

Women like a good fight but only on their conditions, and those conditions are rarely expressed to their partners. Emotions eventually take over. The novelty of a tough boyfriend wears off. She either expects him to change his ways - her ultimate goal, even though the reformed abuser will bore her to tears -- or he will pay the price. A whipped man is a man who garners no respect from his woman, but an aggressive man is a man who will awaken to find his bed engulfed in flames.

Men can't win. Here's a tube of AstroGlide. Use it, and save yourself the hassle of a relationship.

But men get off easy. They can go home at the end of the day, forget that real-life women exist, and jerk off into a sock to thoughts of acquiescent whores. I'm a woman, and the hypocrisy displayed by women affects my standing in the world. I can't avoid them. I can't ignore them.

While this attitude can be tolerated in the bedroom and home -- how Kristy treats her husband has little bearing on my life -- its spread to the real world marks trouble for the rare woman with a brain and a touch of sanity. (And perhaps, too much testosterone.)

If Kristy spends her evenings ridiculing her boyfriend's sexual prowess, boohoo for the emasculated shit, but unless his repressed anger manifests itself in a lunchtime shooting at the local Taco Bell, it won't affect me. When Kristy spends her evenings devising how she can force her company's insurance policy to cover costly infertility treatments, it doesn't bode well for women who just want a paycheck and not a company-sponsored designer baby.

Even Lifetime, the television station that bills itself as for women, frequently shows movies about insane, irrational women. Women who steal babies. Women who kill pregnant women, rip out their babies, and claim the infants as their own. Women who stalk their ex-husbands. Women who kill their ex-husbands and their ex-husbands' new wives. Women who can't have babies, go nuts and shoot elementary school students. Women who are depressed. Women who are depressed and suicidal. Women who are victims.

And that's the crux of the women's movement -- women are victims. They need help to become strong, and if they're not strong enough, they need protection.

Women claim that they want equality, but they still want to be coddled. They pout and stomp their feet when their boyfriends take too long to buy a $5000 diamong ring, but they cry out that they "don't need no man" when their boyfriends refuse to deal with an unexpected pregnancy.

Is it any wonder that men don't know what the fuck women are about?

Contrary to what directors of women's studies programs would have us believe, women are not tools of the patriarchy. Women are the patriarchy...

-Misanthropic Bitch (2001)

Rich White Girl Syndrome

"... The sufferer sees rape, sexual abuse and discrimination everywhere. If a woman doesn't buy into it, she's obviously not in touch with the feelings of her oppressed sisters. She's overprivileged. She's never experienced "real life." She's a lily-white fuck toy of the patriarchy.

Never mind that the chicks who cry loudest about that shit are overprivileged white ones. That's why it's so goddamn annoying because you know they're exaggerating an experimental fingering at a make-out party in the 7th grade to full-blown rape..."

Fuck, I miss her so

[rayshul unplugged]

They're using mildew pit so people won't find us. They're already discovering how many people come to the 'pit via them, read a bit, realise - oh, they're not that bad - and stop buying in to their lies.

Will log in at some point and change my signature to reflect the phrase mildew pit to hopefully help SEO, so anyone googling this curious place will be led to the pit.

[Gumby]

Well, Wowbagger is already jumping on that "approved by the Slymepit" bandwagon:

"I don’t know; for something like that he’s likely to win the Slymepit’s ‘Heroic Freethinking Skeptic of the Year’ award, and be asked to join Skeptic Ink as their newest member. Justicar, Thunderfoot and NoelPlum99 will mention him as a fine fellow in their next 137 YouTube videos (about a week’s worth). Russell Blackford will buy him a drink and Jeremy Stangroom will ask him to be his wingman for his next big night on the town."

(from OB's latest post on her acid tweet)

I'm on record here multiple times as stating posting on FtB is a waste of time, but I had to respond to Wowbagger. I basically told him to please leave us out of this because we're all currently over at the Pit saying what a horrible thing Jerry Conlon tweeted. If it makes it past moderation, I'm sure the usual suspects will jump all over it with their usual impeccable anti-logic. But I felt it needed to be said.

I did too. I posted as Danger Mouse using my real email address and signing off as Rocko2466 (just to get past the filter!)

Hi Ophelia

As you know, because you visit, the Slymepit has been roundly condemning this guy's stupid idea of a joke. I should also point out that he isn't a slymepitter (not that it would matter, because the Slymepit doesn't ban, which is why oolon is still around from time to time!)

I think you should also point out that the tweet is obviously a response to your article where you claimed that your getting criticised on the internet was akin to the plight of acid victims (which you conveniently have omitted from this article). The guy was poorly parodying your unjustified claim.

It is clearly not a threat.

I wish you wouldn't be so disingenuous. And I wish your commenters weren't such sheep.

Thanks Ophelia. I look forward to reading about your skeptic / philosophy material when you one day decide to return to it.

- Rocko2466

Well, as of 7 AM EST, neither of us has made it through moderation. The commenters are doing their damndest to portray Conlon's garbage as "typical Slymepitter behavior", and have not mentioned our unanimous condemnation of his tweet. The dishonest propaganda continues.

Unfortunately, apparently Conlon does have an account here. One of O's commenters did some googling -

viewtopic.php?f=31&t=73&start=40275#p42405

[Corylus]

I see Corylus stopped by earlier, I missed my chance to ask her what a nice person like her is doing in a slymepit like this.

Yo, Mordy! Lovely to see you darling.

[KacyRay]

Well, as of 7 AM EST, neither of us has made it through moderation. The commenters are doing their damndest to portray Conlon's garbage as "typical Slymepitter behavior", and have not mentioned our unanimous condemnation of his tweet. The dishonest propaganda continues.

It is disappointing to see just hand them more ammunition.

And what's up with people setting up local car dealerships with test drives for PZ Myers? Are those people that hang out here, or are those examples of more serious personal vendettas from people in his past? Is anyone owning up to that? Does anyone know who or what that was all about?

I just want to make sure I know who the good guys are, and I'm still feeling my way around.

[KacyRay]

Correction: It is disappointing to see *someone* just hand them more ammunition.

[Lurkion]

Well, as of 7 AM EST, neither of us has made it through moderation. The commenters are doing their damndest to portray Conlon's garbage as "typical Slymepitter behavior", and have not mentioned our unanimous condemnation of his tweet. The dishonest propaganda continues.

It is disappointing to see just hand them more ammunition.

And what's up with people setting up local car dealerships with test drives for PZ Myers? Are those people that hang out here, or are those examples of more serious personal vendettas from people in his past? Is anyone owning up to that? Does anyone know who or what that was all about?

I just want to make sure I know who the good guys are, and I'm still feeling my way around.

Noone here did it - at least not that's admitted to it (and I wouldn't expect it from a pitter, tbh).

I just think PZ's going nuts.

[Jan Steen]

But I figure that anyone that does pay attention to them, if they do read a comment thread, they'll be able to pick up on the bullying and the banning.

Exactly. Do that, and Nerd Of Redhead, Brownian, Sally Strange, Caine etc. will be on you within the hour to do the slymepits heavy lifting.

Forget to mention, age your accounts. Register one and don't use it or use it sparingly for a month or so then hit them on particularly offensive or ridiculous thread, and don't brag about it here. Stealth mode.

[spoiler]http://i.imgur.com/VPTC8xz.jpg[/spoiler]

The other thing is, if you argue with them firmly, politely, with facts and logic, then you aren't a troll, (though they certainly will call you a troll) and so the eventual banning is the actual reward, their resigning, your winning of the game. And in many ways it's an educational process. Helps me hone my arguments, and makes sure I understand what I am saying, or learn how to say it better next time.

When bloggers or commenters at FTB/Skepchick/A+ write something particularly nasty or stupid, it is much more effective, i.m.o., to snatch it from there and to expose it elsewhere for all to see and eviscerate, rather than to respond to it in situ. Even if it is not deleted or tampered with, who is going to see your post over there apart from the small clique of sycophants who write most of the comments and those few whose idea of fun includes wading through verbal muck?

Not commenting locally has an additional potential benefit. A vocal and therefore conspicuous minority of their regulars - their house trolls - seem to relish lashing out; they must have developed an addiction to shouting down and insulting people. If they run out of prey they will soon become frustrated and testy and will start snapping at each other, in the process chasing away the few reasonable commenters who still hang out there (let’s be fair, they are not all rabid fanatics).

In the end their comment threads would run dry, as mildew brain Ophelia Benson’s for the most part already have. That may force the bloggers to start creating posts with original content instead of artificially concocted drama or recycled material from other sites. Wouldn’t that be a change for the better?

[Gumby]

Well, as of 7 AM EST, neither of us has made it through moderation. The commenters are doing their damndest to portray Conlon's garbage as "typical Slymepitter behavior", and have not mentioned our unanimous condemnation of his tweet. The dishonest propaganda continues.

It is disappointing to see just hand them more ammunition.

Agreed. It was a shitty thing to tweet to someone. And even though it was just a very poorly executed trollish joke on Conlon's part, they'll try to score victim points off of it forever. Ophelia undoubtedly grinned when she saw that tweet. Her hyperventilating sycophants are all over it too, urging her to file police reports and such.

And what's up with people setting up local car dealerships with test drives for PZ Myers? Are those people that hang out here, or are those examples of more serious personal vendettas from people in his past? Is anyone owning up to that? Does anyone know who or what that was all about?

I just want to make sure I know who the good guys are, and I'm still feeling my way around.

No one is owning up to the test drive shit. I seriously doubt it was anyone here; we get to them by throwing what they say back in their faces and pointing out their appalling hypocrisy, not by pulling stupid pranks like eighth graders. PZ has been maligning and attacking people for many many years, so the pool of people who could conceivably prank him like that is much larger than just the Pit. But who the hell knows. I'm not going to automatically assert it's definitely not someone here just because I like it here. If the prankster is from here, they need to stop that juvenile stupid shit now.

But overall, if you're wondering who the good guys in this schism are, I strongly feel that we are. We're loud, crude, often offensive and boorish. But we also happen to have the truth on our side, which is why FtB and their cohorts are always desperately trying to smear us. YMMV, but I see a bunch of decent people here.

[KacyRay]

I recently made an offer to all of Brayton's followers to discuss the problems I see with feminism away from the board. I offered to do so anywhere, in any place of their choosing, so long as it was on neutral ground and that the conversation can be saved.

I offered up my own FB wall for convenience sake (since you could get there just by clicking on my handle), but then I was accused of just wanting to take people over to my own FB site. So I had to clarify over and over that I was only offering it as an option, and that I'd have "the conversation" wherever anyone wanted.

None took me up on it. It appears the only place they feel they can howl safely is in the security of their tribe.

But I did get three FB messages telling me to keep fighting the good fight.

[Gumby]

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd24 ... 78567f.jpg
http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterflies ... ent-424054

Well, hyperdeath, when Ophelia won't take Pitter comments out of moderation (at least not yet), you're only going to see what she wants you to see. I know of at least two comments there from us that condemn the tweet. And Pitters have also used Twitter to voice their disgust as well.

If you want to know how we truly feel about this tweet, just come here and read. But I know, jumping to the conclusion that most vilifies your perceived enemies is the easiest route to take.

At least you told Ophie that her likening of "people are mean to me on the internet" with throwing acid in ones face is silly. Props for that.

[Jan Steen]

[spoiler]Jerry Conlon, what a fucking idiot.
Ophelia must think Christmas just came twice.
Her stupid post about her own situation being comparable to that of that acid attack victims was attracting tumbleweeds from her sycophants - even they could sense she was flailing wildly to get in on the victim roster.

And then up pops Conlon with a perfectly wrapped gift.

If he had posted the same here I would have no hesitation in calling for him to be banned from here.
Yes, we allow freedom of speech here but once you start putting things that could be considered a threat then you are not only acting like a vile fuckwit, you are putting the whole board in danger of being closed down (the same goes for posting porn here.)[/spoiler]
It was a vile and disgusting post by Conlon. Whether it was a joke about exfoliating agents or not (and I presume not - it looked to me like he tried to use that as an excuse afterwards) it could be interpreted as threatening. If Ophelia does feel threatened then nobody here is defending the guy. Ophelia, if you think it was a real threat rather than a disgusting 'joke' then report him to the police.
[spoiler]By the way I was amused by wowbagger jumping in to the fray.

http://i.imgur.com/7ecvqr8.jpg

Remember, this is the same individual who said the following:

http://i.imgur.com/MupR00h.jpg

He specifically emphasized that he wasn't joking.
Aren't both wowbaggers and Conlon's comments equally bad?

If Conlon should be banned (and, as I've said, if he posted it here I would say yes ban him) then shouldn't wowbagger? (and other members of the FTB horde such as brownian and spokesgay who have made similar statements in the past.)[/spoiler]

It was clearly not a threat, and you are handing them more ammunition by suggesting that it might be. It was an exceptionally tasteless thing to say, that's all. I don't condone it, you don't, and that's the end of it. We are not responsible for what another person writes on twitter, even if that person has posted here a few times. Guilt by association is a method of smearing people favoured by those with a totalitarian mindset. Let the likes of Ophelia Benson indulge in it, thereby exposing themselves for the bigots they are.

[KacyRay]

Someone called "Jediverse" makes a very articulate, trenchant point to Carrier.

Which Carrier immediately dismisses without even a thought.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/arc ... ment-31684

[Gumby]

We are not responsible for what another person writes on twitter, even if that person has posted here a few times. Guilt by association is a method of smearing people favoured by those with a totalitarian mindset. Let the likes of Ophelia Benson indulge in it, thereby exposing themselves for the bigots they are.

Case in point.

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd24 ... 454c1f.jpg

No bothering coming over here to check our opinions of Conlon's stupidity, only guilt by (very slim) association.

Hitler applied to the Vienna Art Academy, therefore the Vienna Art Academy is responsible for the deaths of millions of Jews.

[Gumby]

Someone called "Jediverse" makes a very articulate, trenchant point to Carrier.

Which Carrier immediately dismisses without even a thought.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/arc ... ment-31684

Haha. The simple-minded robotic focus of the religious fanatic. I bet Carrier didn't read one word. Or if he did, all he saw was the criticism of A+. Fucking automatons.

[Jan Steen]

http://i.imgur.com/Ut4MtIX.jpg

[Gumby]

Someone called "Jediverse" makes a very articulate, trenchant point to Carrier.

Which Carrier immediately dismisses without even a thought.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/arc ... ment-31684

Actually, this reminds me of my days debating Christian fundamentalists. I would often lay out lengthy posts explaining in great detail why I don't believe, only to get the reply "So why haven't you given your life to Jesus?" :lol:

[Lurkion]

http://www.freezepage.com/1358603557NSWVXJBAOJ

I'm liking this guy BubbaRich. We should send him an invite to hang out in Slyme for a while.

[Pitchguest]

“BTW, not that it'll make an ounce of difference to Cobweb Cunt, but there is not nor ever has been a Jerry Conlon or similar user name registered here.”

Suggest you check out user JTC. Here’s a hint, dumbass. viewtopic.php?f=31&t=73&start=40275#p42405

Oh well, my mistake. It doesn't matter anyway. What he did was a dick move, but it's not like the entirety of the 'pit is to blame.

Nor is it our obligation to distance ourselves at their whim. Although this is more acknowledgement than Zvan ever could muster, because at least we admit that he was a ponce. Good luck seeing Zvan do that with "get off the rag" Laden.

[Lurkion]

http://i.imgur.com/Ut4MtIX.jpg

I TOLD YOU NOT TO DOX HER JAN.

[KacyRay]

Someone called "Jediverse" makes a very articulate, trenchant point to Carrier.

Which Carrier immediately dismisses without even a thought.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/arc ... ment-31684

Actually, this reminds me of my days debating Christian fundamentalists. I would often lay out lengthy posts explaining in great detail why I don't believe, only to get the reply "So why haven't you given your life to Jesus?" :lol:

Yep. Let down a well-thought-out and articulate argument to Carrier, and his response is "Nice speech". I can't believe there was a moment when I had any respect for that guy.

[Lurkion]

We are not responsible for what another person writes on twitter, even if that person has posted here a few times. Guilt by association is a method of smearing people favoured by those with a totalitarian mindset. Let the likes of Ophelia Benson indulge in it, thereby exposing themselves for the bigots they are.

Case in point.

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd24 ... 454c1f.jpg

No bothering coming over here to check our opinions of Conlon's stupidity, only guilt by (very slim) association.

Hitler applied to the Vienna Art Academy, therefore the Vienna Art Academy is responsible for the deaths of millions of Jews.

One day, a serial killer is going to rock up to the Pit ready for us to all make good on all those "threats" he heard about.

He's going to be very disappointed when he finds we're a rather agreeable lot who just speak up when we disagree with something.

[Jan Steen]

[spoiler]

http://i.imgur.com/Ut4MtIX.jpg

[/spoiler]
I TOLD YOU NOT TO DOX HER JAN.

Only if you can read white text on a white background.

[Gumby]

http://www.freezepage.com/1358603557NSWVXJBAOJ

I'm liking this guy BubbaRich. We should send him an invite to hang out in Slyme for a while.

Yeah, he's good. Of course, once he had them backed in a corner, PZ used the "witch hunt" accusation as a pretext for banning him.

[KacyRay]

http://www.freezepage.com/1358603557NSWVXJBAOJ

I'm liking this guy BubbaRich. We should send him an invite to hang out in Slyme for a while.

Wow....what a disgraceful display by PZ. BubbaRich was clearly a threat to the bubble PZ has created for himself.

[UnbelieveSteve]

Is this why PZ is chasing the ad revenue so badly now?
http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ent-538835
We all make career choices. 100k+ job in the 90s' compared to pay-per-click $$$ he currently earns. Oh, and his day job. What is it again? Oh yeah, Professicator Myers.

[Lurkion]

[spoiler]

http://i.imgur.com/Ut4MtIX.jpg

[/spoiler]
I TOLD YOU NOT TO DOX HER JAN.

Only if you can read white text on a white background.

I can. I checked my privilege. And now I can.

[Dilurk]

“BTW, not that it'll make an ounce of difference to Cobweb Cunt, but there is not nor ever has been a Jerry Conlon or similar user name registered here.”

Suggest you check out user JTC. Here’s a hint, dumbass. viewtopic.php?f=31&t=73&start=40275#p42405

Why yes it appears a Jerry Conlon threatened OB with a cosmetic. Next thing you know, someone is going to threaten to throw vinegar in her face.

It was a stupid thing to say in the context but he made a mistake. Human's make mistakes but you FtB people are super human and never make them.

[welch]

“BTW, not that it'll make an ounce of difference to Cobweb Cunt, but there is not nor ever has been a Jerry Conlon or similar user name registered here.”

Suggest you check out user JTC. Here’s a hint, dumbass. viewtopic.php?f=31&t=73&start=40275#p42405

Why yes it appears a Jerry Conlon threatened OB with a cosmetic. Next thing you know, someone is going to threaten to throw vinegar in her face.

It was a stupid thing to say in the context but he made a mistake. Human's make mistakes but you FtB people are super human and never make them.

Well, since conlon is a member...that was a fucking stupid thing to say Jerry. Maybe you should stop saying stupid shit like that.

And no, no, the FTB lot never ever makes threats. Not even Julian the spic.

[debaser71]

Porcupines, rusty knives, fire, acid...what's the fucking difference?

btw, the crowd at Pharyngula also called me "childmolestor71" ya know because I was talking about the sexism I experienced as a stay at home dad.

Fuck all of them.

[welch]

Porcupines, rusty knives, fire, acid...what's the fucking difference?

btw, the crowd at Pharyngula also called me "childmolestor71" ya know because I was talking about the sexism I experienced as a stay at home dad.

Fuck all of them.

Well, you can't hold PZ responsible for his commentariat. After all, he moderates, so he's not responsible for what he allows through. It is only when you don't moderate that you're responsible.

[Dilurk]

For the last time. Ophelia has been threatened by what we would normally call a cosmetic.
viewtopic.php?f=31&t=224&start=5025#p51710
The acid he was referring to is used to exfoliate dead skin. I suspect it would sting as much as the concentration of acetic acid in vinegar (I have not checked their relative Ph etc. maybe the chemists here can tell us?) But disfigure and blind like battery acid? No. It was a clueless bad taste "joke" but a non-threat, and we know how fearful OB is of non-threats. Everyone heard 'acid' but there is acid in your everyday life. Did any of you drink orange juice this morning? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ascorbic_acid

It's like NMR scanners had to be called MRI in hospitals. People were frightened by the word "NUCLEAR" in NMR.

[jjbinx007]

Well, you can't hold PZ responsible for his commentariat. After all, he moderates, so he's not responsible for what he allows through. It is only when you don't moderate that you're responsible.

If he moderates a thread then he IS responsible, in my view. He's quick to ban slymepitters on sight but he'll let the truly vile comments stay.

This was one of Sam Harris' main gripes with Myers, if I recall.

[welch]

Well, you can't hold PZ responsible for his commentariat. After all, he moderates, so he's not responsible for what he allows through. It is only when you don't moderate that you're responsible.

If he moderates a thread then he IS responsible, in my view. He's quick to ban slymepitters on sight but he'll let the truly vile comments stay.

This was one of Sam Harris' main gripes with Myers, if I recall.

There's a bit of an inside joke there. PZ has said for years he's not responsible for/can't control his commentariat, yet even though Abbie never moderated, she was personally responsible for everything we said

[Pitchguest]

As usual, the commentary on Ophelia's blog just makes me laugh and cry both at the same time. But the funniest one have to be this one, from "die in a fire" Wowbagger,

wowbaggerwtf.jpg

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Hahaha

Really? The KKK? Really?

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2 ... cepalm.jpg

*sigh* Wowbagger, you fucking idiot. :lol:

[Scented Nectar]

Porcupines, rusty knives, fire, acid...what's the fucking difference?

btw, the crowd at Pharyngula also called me "childmolestor71" ya know because I was talking about the sexism I experienced as a stay at home dad.

Fuck all of them.

I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out that some of them have a history of real life false accusations. I wonder how many of them put their fathers in jail claiming sexual abuse, lying as revenge for being grounded or something. Anyone there who called you a child molester for simply being a parent to your children, probably has a string of real life false accusations as well in their history.

I quite seriously would like to compare online false accusers with their real lives to see if they've ever accused anyone, like their relatives, of sexual abuse, and on what evidence. And then compare their accusation track records with the average.

A couple of years ago, some youtube feminists started throwing pedo accusations around...

[youtube]qqEApmVwR9E[/youtube]

[ReneeHendricks]

For the last time. Ophelia has been threatened by what we would normally call a cosmetic.
viewtopic.php?f=31&t=224&start=5025#p51710
The acid he was referring to is used to exfoliate dead skin. I suspect it would sting as much as the concentration of acetic acid in vinegar (I have not checked their relative Ph etc. maybe the chemists here can tell us?) But disfigure and blind like battery acid? No. It was a clueless bad taste "joke" but a non-threat, and we know how fearful OB is of non-threats. Everyone heard 'acid' but there is acid in your everyday life. Did any of you drink orange juice this morning? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ascorbic_acid

It's like NMR scanners had to be called MRI in hospitals. People were frightened by the word "NUCLEAR" in NMR.

No. In the context of the blog post OB wrote, he most assuredly did *not* mean a skin care product: "Maybe a vial of acid would do you some good. You already look like you were set on fire and put out with a wet rake.". *AFTER* he was called out on this, he stated he was talking about skin care products.

In any case, it was in no way a threat to OB but she sure is taking it and running with it. As is expected.