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Re: The Periodic Table's Younger, Sexier, Sibling Thread...

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rayshul wrote:To be the lone voice of vehement disagreement on John's rant: I don't think and have never thought that this is a community but a *place*. It is more like a pub where we all show up and have a shout and rant and have our opinions. I'm happy with whatever people want to say, or what ever point of view they want to put out there, fucked up or offensive or ethically questionable or whatever.

On another note: If Eucliwood is actually underage in her country/state I have concerns over the legality of allowing her a forum to write what is essentially pornographic content or read adult content. I'm not sure if this has been covered yet in the conversation surrounding it, but if it is the case, I doubt it's legal.
That's a great analogy. I'm going to steal it and use it.

I would only consider a ban on Eucliwood if this is a legal matter, otherwise, she's just creepy and we don't ban for creepy.

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Re: The Periodic Table's Younger, Sexier, Sibling Thread...

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franc wrote:
another lurker wrote:How I miss those early days on the internet. When any random idiot would just end you dick pix and pix of his naked gf's by mistake. What a Don Juan!
I miss illiterate police officers sending you unsolicited grainy 128x128px kiddie porn pics in IRC dcc wanting to meet their monthly online predator quota. If only ooooooooooooolon was around then. I don't think I've ever run cache purges and defrags with the same frequency since.

Interesting footnote for the "we must protect the children" brigade. In 20 years of trawling the vilest online sewers there are, *not once* have I ever stumbled across KP. Fence nails hammered through testicles? Sure. Japanese air rifle S&M? Need you ask. Bestiality (is these even the correct term?) with maggots? Of course. KP? Never. Not once. Ever.

This is a point to bear in mind when governments fall back on global 'net censorship and make the "reasonable" offer of using the Interpol blacklist instead.
Or, as Doug Stanhope put it: "If KP is really "rampant on the internet", cock-fingering is most likely going on in this room right now".

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Re: The Periodic Table's Younger, Sexier, Sibling Thread...

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Speaking of pornographic, look what i found :popcorn:


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Re: The Periodic Table's Younger, Sexier, Sibling Thread...

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Steersman wrote:
codelette wrote:
cunt wrote:So am I the only one who thought the Eucliwood/LousyCanuck slashfic was funny as fuck? I hope that's what she sent to him.
I was nauseated. Not because of how graphic the messages were, but because LC totally dries up all my mucous membranes and just seeing his pic makes me vomit a little inside my mouth.
Maybe you too would like to post your picture so that he and others can make a similar judgement of you?

How old did you say you were? ….
The way I interpreted that is who he is makes her dry, seeing his photo reminds her of who he is. Nothing to do with what he looks like or his age.

and really Steers, MKG can make the comment about posting a photo and age, because he posts his photo and age. It does not really work the same way when you say it

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Re: The Periodic Table's Younger, Sexier, Sibling Thread...

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rocko2466 wrote:
Tkmlac wrote:A short note on the question of whether or not rape is treated as more harmful than other crimes due to a culture's twisted idea of sex: It's really not. It's akin to torture in a lot of ways. Someone is literally holding you down and using your body to pleasure themself against your will. It will probably be the worst thing that ever happened to the victim and the memory of it won't fade. That being said, wearing it as a shield for criticism is an insult. Everyone is going to deal with it in their own way and their own time. Availability of counseling services should be of utmost importance for those who suffer trauma so much that it rules their lives. And that's all I'll say about that.
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My point wasn't that it's treated as more harmful due to the culture's idea of sex. My point was that it's not able to be gotten over because of the victim's already twisted ideas of sex.

But it's a good point that you make. The torture analogy is a good one.
Ah, thanks for clarifying that for me. Being a female and having spent a lot of time around women, many of them having some form of sexual assault in their past, I've witnessed women and girls tell their stories as if they were one-upping each other, literally getting mad and yelling at each other, "You don't know shit! This that and the other happened to me!" These were very low-income neighborhoods and a very small sample, I know, but I'd seen it enough to give me the impression it was pretty typical. I'll tell you what, only three people (other than the perpetrator) know what happened to me: A counselor, my husband and one very, very good friend who also had a story that, as far as I know, she hasn't shared with anyone else. I'll tell people it happened and I'll speak out against rape, talk about the techniques I learned to overcome it, but I don't think I'd ever be able to tell the full story to anyone else.

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Re: John Greg's Rant of the Week

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decius wrote:
John Greg wrote:Rant Mode On

Part 1

I really must agree with MKG that there has been far too much laughing at, criticising, dismissing, and condemning of some of the FfTB, Skepchick, A+ people based on things over which they have no control, in particular, their genetically determined physical appearance. Such attacks, or whatever we might call them, are really unwarranted, unfair, and out of place, especially in a community that claims to pride itself on supposedly superior use of legitimate sceptical process and critical thought. If we keep crowing about how much better we are than The Evil Hordes, we really must prove it, and maintain that supposed higher ground.

I'm sorely tempted to agree with this, but I promised not to tone-troll again.
At the end of the day, while low blows do a disservice to the image of this community, the more rational of our critics will recognise that each person is responsible for the content of his/her posts only.

As for part 2, I think some of those who shared their experience here didn't mean to put themselves of a pedestal.
I've been following this argument all day and I think I finally come down on the side of the high road. I'm as guilty of personal pot-shots as most but it's undeniably lazy and I'll knock it off. It plays into the baboon narrative.
Plus, as funny as it is, it comes nowhere near the comedic heights scaled by Cunt and Rystefen with today's "Screwdriver as Hammer" routine.
One question: fat jokes are still okay, right? I mean, a donut addiction is hardly an inherited characteristic.

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Re: The Periodic Table's Younger, Sexier, Sibling Thread...

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Damn, I screwed that spoiler up....edit button??

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I don't know Gefan. They aren't particularly classy, but in Brayton's case I'd make an exception, given his propensity to beg his way out of self-inflicted conditions.

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Re: The Periodic Table's Younger, Sexier, Sibling Thread...

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decius wrote:I don't know Gefan. They aren't particularly classy, but in Brayton's case I'd make an exception, given his propensity to beg his way out of self-inflicted conditions.
Fair enough. Brayton gets pencilled in for further roasting. Everyone else is off-limits.
Got it.

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Re: The Periodic Table's Younger, Sexier, Sibling Thread...

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Don't take it as a prescription - I'm not a moral philosopher and lots of people will disagree with me in moments. It's just my very personal take.

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Re: The Periodic Table's Younger, Sexier, Sibling Thread...

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Cunning Punt wrote:
AbsurdWalls wrote:
Cunning Punt wrote:
AbsurdWalls wrote:
Cunning Punt wrote:I do believe the brilliant Barbara Drescher has just called PZ Myers an asshole.
I'll probably go all Eucliwood and dream about her tonight. But I'll keep it to myself.
Sincere? Ironic? What has she done that is brilliant?
Sincere, yes. "Brilliant" is a little OTT but I think she's a very smart person and a credit to the skeptic movement. I recommend her blog:

http://icbseverywhere.com/
I spotted that she's chummy with Greg Laden and thought you were joking. I will have a look.
She might be, and I would disapprove if she was, not that my disapproval means anything, but I like that she is relentlessly skeptical about all claims and jumps on nobody's bandwagon.
I don't think she's chummy but she agreed to public criticism of Stef McGraw, while saying that she's usually and still is a harsh critic of Watson
http://icbseverywhere.com/blog/2011/07/ ... mment-1352

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Re: The Periodic Table's Younger, Sexier, Sibling Thread...

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sacha wrote:
Tkmlac wrote:Good lord, I hated public school.
When I was in school, adults told me
you should be glad you are not working, and
you'll see, once you work, you will wish you were a in school without any other responsibilities, living with your parents who pay the bills, and buy the food... you have it good!

I abhorred school. Everything about it was ghastly. It was day after day of misery and anger.
I was already working at 15 - a real job, not a child's job like a paper route, or baby sitting. Not a single day moment has gone by that I wished I was back in school and living with my parents, instead of working and taking care of myself. I worked two jobs and had my own flat before I was 17.

I have friends that would go back to being 13 or 14 knowing what they do now, in a second.
No one could offer me enough money for it to even be a consideration.
School has got to be the most degrading period of life anyone has to go through.

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Re: The Periodic Table's Younger, Sexier, Sibling Thread...

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rayshul wrote:To be the lone voice of vehement disagreement on John's rant: I don't think and have never thought that this is a community but a *place*. It is more like a pub where we all show up and have a shout and rant and have our opinions. I'm happy with whatever people want to say, or what ever point of view they want to put out there, fucked up or offensive or ethically questionable or whatever.

On another note: If Eucliwood is actually underage in her country/state I have concerns over the legality of allowing her a forum to write what is essentially pornographic content or read adult content. I'm not sure if this has been covered yet in the conversation surrounding it, but if it is the case, I doubt it's legal.
I think she's in the US - didn't Lsuoma say something early on about her IP address resolving to somewhere near another new user, & that person subsequently said he/she was in the US midwest, I think.

IANAL, but the main restriction I've heard of is COPPA, which applies when a child is younger than 13. Fromhttp://www.ftc.gov/privacy/coppafaqs.shtm (bolding added):
The Rule applies to operators of commercial websites and online services directed to children under 13 that collect, use, or disclose personal information from children, and operators of general audience websites or online services with actual knowledge that they are collecting, using, or disclosing personal information from children under 13.
Operators covered by the Rule must:
  • Post a clear and comprehensive privacy policy on their website describing their information practices for children’s personal information;
  • Provide direct notice to parents and obtain verifiable parental consent, with limited exceptions, before collecting personal information from children;
  • Give parents the choice of consenting to the operator’s collection and internal use of a child’s information, but prohibiting the operator from disclosing that information to third parties;
  • Provide parents access to their child’s personal information to review and/or have the information deleted;
  • Give parents the opportunity to prevent further use or online collection of a child’s personal information;
  • Maintain the confidentiality, security, and integrity of information they collect from children.
In addition, the Rule prohibits operators from conditioning a child’s participation in an online activity on the child’s providing more information than is reasonably necessary to participate in that activity.
http://www.bracheichler.com/publication ... erce.shtml goes into it in more practical detail (and is pretty damn funny as it relates each approach that Congress tried to take to protect children from the internet...followed by when & by what body each of those measures was struck down, except COPPA and one that requires libraries to use filters).

From that page (bolding added):
COPPA requires that commercial Web sites obtain verifiable parental consent before collecting personal information from a child under the age of 13. A failure to obtain such consent is an unfair and deceptive trade practice.

COPPA applies to all commercial Web sites and online services directed to children under 13 that collects personal information from children. Note that if a commercial site is directed to a general audience and the site owner or operator has actual knowledge that personal information from children is being collected, that site must comply with COPPA.

To determine whether an Internet site is directed to children, the Federal Trade Commission considers several factors: the subject matter; visual or audio content; the age of models on the site; language; whether advertising on the Web site is directed to children; information regarding the age of the actual or intended audience; and whether a site uses animated characters or other child-oriented features.

To determine whether an entity is an “operator” with respect to information collected at a site, the FTC will consider who owns and controls the information; who pays for the collection and maintenance of the information; what the pre-existing contractual relationships are in connection with the information; and what role the Web site plays in collecting or maintaining the information.

COPPA applies to individually identifiable information about a child that is collected via the Internet. Such information includes: name, postal address, e-mail address, telephone number or any other information that would allow someone to identify or contact the child. The act also cover other types of information: hobbies, interests and information collected through cookies or other types of tracking mechanisms when they are tied to individually identifiable information.
It does not say that information volunteered by the child but not "collected" by the site, for example content typed or copied by the child into a forum post, creates a problem for the "operator". (Eucli has posted 2 or 3 different gmail addresses, 1 or 2 here, and 1 as Robitussin at atheism+, and I have no clue what she posted at Lousy Canuck. Jason doesn't sound like he's about to try to doxx her, sounds like he's trying to close the lid on this episode and move heavy furniture on top of it so nothing gets out. Which is good.)

*Now, on a tangent, am trying to wrap my mind about the potential legal ramifications, in the US, of someone filing a DMCA claim against someone who turned out to be a child under age 13, whose personal information ended up being revealed as a result of the DMCA claim*

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Re: The Periodic Table's Younger, Sexier, Sibling Thread...

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rayshul wrote:
I am happy with whatever people want to say, or what ever point of view they want to put out there
Yes absolutely. I treat all individuals with a degree of respect - you get that off me by virtue of having a pulse - no other criteria required but ideas are a different thing entirely. I try to reference them from the perspective of logic or morality but nothing should get a free ride, no matter how popular or sacred. I am a great believer in taking everything and anything apart and giving respect to nothing until it has been found to be deserving of it - brutal uncompromising dissection or else it is not worth doing. And this may sound harsh but in actuality is not and for the very obvious reason that ideas are not capable of emotion. Now those who hold them are and an unintended consequence of taking ideas apart now is that they may be compromised by this process, but the alternative is far more painful unfortunately. I sometimes get into trouble for telling others what to do, so what I have referenced here is only what I would and do do. But I find zero fault in it however. It would though be hypocritical of me to deny my own ideas the exact same examination as those of others so feel free to take it to pieces. That is for me the natural default position

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Re: The Periodic Table's Younger, Sexier, Sibling Thread...

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Skep tickle wrote:[spoiler]
rayshul wrote:To be the lone voice of vehement disagreement on John's rant: I don't think and have never thought that this is a community but a *place*. It is more like a pub where we all show up and have a shout and rant and have our opinions. I'm happy with whatever people want to say, or what ever point of view they want to put out there, fucked up or offensive or ethically questionable or whatever.

On another note: If Eucliwood is actually underage in her country/state I have concerns over the legality of allowing her a forum to write what is essentially pornographic content or read adult content. I'm not sure if this has been covered yet in the conversation surrounding it, but if it is the case, I doubt it's legal.
I think she's in the US - didn't Lsuoma say something early on about her IP address resolving to somewhere near another new user, & that person subsequently said he/she was in the US midwest, I think.

IANAL, but the main restriction I've heard of is COPPA, which applies when a child is younger than 13. Fromhttp://www.ftc.gov/privacy/coppafaqs.shtm (bolding added):
The Rule applies to operators of commercial websites and online services directed to children under 13 that collect, use, or disclose personal information from children, and operators of general audience websites or online services with actual knowledge that they are collecting, using, or disclosing personal information from children under 13.
Operators covered by the Rule must:
  • Post a clear and comprehensive privacy policy on their website describing their information practices for children’s personal information;
  • Provide direct notice to parents and obtain verifiable parental consent, with limited exceptions, before collecting personal information from children;
  • Give parents the choice of consenting to the operator’s collection and internal use of a child’s information, but prohibiting the operator from disclosing that information to third parties;
  • Provide parents access to their child’s personal information to review and/or have the information deleted;
  • Give parents the opportunity to prevent further use or online collection of a child’s personal information;
  • Maintain the confidentiality, security, and integrity of information they collect from children.
In addition, the Rule prohibits operators from conditioning a child’s participation in an online activity on the child’s providing more information than is reasonably necessary to participate in that activity.
http://www.bracheichler.com/publication ... erce.shtml goes into it in more practical detail (and is pretty damn funny as it relates each approach that Congress tried to take to protect children from the internet...followed by when & by what body each of those measures was struck down, except COPPA and one that requires libraries to use filters).

From that page (bolding added):
COPPA requires that commercial Web sites obtain verifiable parental consent before collecting personal information from a child under the age of 13. A failure to obtain such consent is an unfair and deceptive trade practice.

COPPA applies to all commercial Web sites and online services directed to children under 13 that collects personal information from children. Note that if a commercial site is directed to a general audience and the site owner or operator has actual knowledge that personal information from children is being collected, that site must comply with COPPA.

To determine whether an Internet site is directed to children, the Federal Trade Commission considers several factors: the subject matter; visual or audio content; the age of models on the site; language; whether advertising on the Web site is directed to children; information regarding the age of the actual or intended audience; and whether a site uses animated characters or other child-oriented features.

To determine whether an entity is an “operator” with respect to information collected at a site, the FTC will consider who owns and controls the information; who pays for the collection and maintenance of the information; what the pre-existing contractual relationships are in connection with the information; and what role the Web site plays in collecting or maintaining the information.

COPPA applies to individually identifiable information about a child that is collected via the Internet. Such information includes: name, postal address, e-mail address, telephone number or any other information that would allow someone to identify or contact the child. The act also cover other types of information: hobbies, interests and information collected through cookies or other types of tracking mechanisms when they are tied to individually identifiable information.
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It does not say that information volunteered by the child but not "collected" by the site, for example content typed or copied by the child into a forum post, creates a problem for the "operator". (Eucli has posted 2 or 3 different gmail addresses, 1 or 2 here, and 1 as Robitussin at atheism+, and I have no clue what she posted at Lousy Canuck. Jason doesn't sound like he's about to try to doxx her, sounds like he's trying to close the lid on this episode and move heavy furniture on top of it so nothing gets out. Which is good.)

*Now, on a tangent, am trying to wrap my mind about the potential legal ramifications, in the US, of someone filing a DMCA claim against someone who turned out to be a child under age 13, whose personal information ended up being revealed as a result of the DMCA claim*
I've done some quick IANAL-inspired googling and have discovered cases where 14-16 year olds were prosecuted for photographs of themselves that they sent to boyfriends. Hm.


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Re: The Periodic Table's Younger, Sexier, Sibling Thread...

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rocko2466 wrote:
justinvacula wrote:
franc wrote: Puritanism/sex fear doesn't help, but for fuck's sake, these people are all emotional/psychological/social cripples to begin with. Look at today's poll -

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic ... oll#p62669

Leading the vote is I have been discriminated for " social awkwardness"

They're just broken units before they even step out the door. A state of trauma is the normal state - they don't know any other way to be. Perpetual trauma is what defines their lives.
...but of course Elevatorguy, if he existed, couldn't just be socially awkward.
THIS. Poor Elevatorguy. No discernible facial features and socially awkward.
Oh, how perfect. The guy in the elevator turns out to lack, along with much of the Atheism+ community, the privilege of social adroitness that Rebecca Watson has* and routinely uses. Her turning him down was a manifestation of her not checking her social adroitness privilege, and in later chiding "guys don't do that" she was doubling down on that privilege differential.

Of course, she has selective prosopagnosia, so his recognizing her in the elevator and alluding to that were manifestations of him not checking his face-recognition privilege.

She was concerned he was Schrodinger's rapist. (Doesn't it go without saying? All men are potential rapists; they have a rape switch.)

But all he was trying to do was to ask her whether she might be interested in hooking up, just like several Skepchick-style feminists have since said** is what people should do when they're interested in someone.

And his approach would not have violated most people's readings of the anti-harassment rules at any atheist/etc conference to date, as far as I can tell.

Good lord, what has this all been about? (< that's rhetorical)

*Just go ahead & accept this for the sake of this little diatribe.
**I'm forgetting who, but Justicar had a video linked somewhere in the Slyme pit from ~7/2012 that I watched yesterday which pointed this out, and I think more recently one of them posted something about this (Zvan? Amy? Can't recall who, nor where).

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rayshul wrote:I've done some quick IANAL-inspired googling and have discovered cases where 14-16 year olds were prosecuted for photographs of themselves that they sent to boyfriends. Hm.
Yeah, as child pornography.

I started to search whether child pornography only meant photos or could also refer to creative writing, but decided those were search phrases probably better left un-typed.

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You know I was just talking to Miss O Gynist about greta. She was all pissed about the shoe thing and I kinda said let her have her greedy way if people wanna give her money specifically for shoes , so what? it's tacky from the start and to make a joke of legit criticism is really showing a childish self-centered attitude, but what can you do? Some people just don't have any empathy.
Then she tells me about her mom when she had cancer the American Cancer Society came over one day and did her up with a wig and some make-up. That was the happiest she had been since she had found out she was dying.Losing her hair had really had been a hard reality check. Her mom only lasted a few weeks after diagnosed. I guess maybe I've become used to people being materialistic, but if you had a cancer scare and it turned out to be a false alarm would that be a signal to go and buy as many nice things as you could or would it humble you a little bit and kinda remind you that there is more to life than expensive shoes?
I've got a disabled son and we get along okay cause his mom is awesome with him and you just do what you need to do when it's your kid. But a lot of people struggle and I guess I don't want to say you shouldn't buy expensive shit you don't really need but at least think about it and keep it in mind when you do buy and wear stuff you really could do without- Other people are doing without what you are too good for.

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Re: The Periodic Table's Younger, Sexier, Sibling Thread...

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Skep tickle wrote: But all he was trying to do was to ask her whether she might be interested in hooking up, just like several Skepchick-style feminists have since said** is what people should do when they're interested in someone.

And his approach would not have violated most people's readings of the anti-harassment rules at any atheist/etc conference to date, as far as I can tell.

Good lord, what has this all been about? (< that's rhetorical)

*Just go ahead & accept this for the sake of this little diatribe.
**I'm forgetting who, but Justicar had a video linked somewhere in the Slyme pit from ~7/2012 that I watched yesterday which pointed this out, and I think more recently one of them posted something about this (Zvan? Amy? Can't recall who, nor where).
ERMAGAWD. We've entered the Twilight Zone!

They go on about asking for consent all the time. And someone asks for consent TO HAVE COFFEE and they flip out.

"Asking for consent for any dating activity must be done in advance and without directly confronting for the person involved."

Unless... you ask for consent by giving them a written message (i.e. those swingers at that convention to that person), because that's creepy.

Let me ask one question of skepchicks: does this video set out the actual rules?


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Re: The Periodic Table's Younger, Sexier, Sibling Thread...

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Reap wrote:You know I was just talking to Miss O Gynist about greta. She was all pissed about the shoe thing and I kinda said let her have her greedy way if people wanna give her money specifically for shoes , so what? it's tacky from the start and to make a joke of legit criticism is really showing a childish self-centered attitude, but what can you do? Some people just don't have any empathy.
Then she tells me about her mom when she had cancer the American Cancer Society came over one day and did her up with a wig and some make-up. That was the happiest she had been since she had found out she was dying.Losing her hair had really had been a hard reality check. Her mom only lasted a few weeks after diagnosed. I guess maybe I've become used to people being materialistic, but if you had a cancer scare and it turned out to be a false alarm would that be a signal to go and buy as many nice things as you could or would it humble you a little bit and kinda remind you that there is more to life than expensive shoes?
I've got a disabled son and we get along okay cause his mom is awesome with him and you just do what you need to do when it's your kid. But a lot of people struggle and I guess I don't want to say you shouldn't buy expensive shit you don't really need but at least think about it and keep it in mind when you do buy and wear stuff you really could do without- Other people are doing without what you are too good for.
Reap. You're a good egg.

My sister is seriously disabled. She got along because my mum fought hard for the whole time. We were on food stamps for a while there (four of us kids and mum). I think there is something to be said for the small happiness from materialistic things, but going out and flaunting it after begging for money (and going on to pay your mortgage for a lot longer than the illness kept you out of action). That's messed up.

I think Greta's flubbed this.

She leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

[spoiler]and we didn't even make out for that long. BLAM![/spoiler]

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rayshul wrote:
I haven't seen that, but she should've got one for Point Break. Because motherfuck I love that movie.
The skydiving advisor should get a bullet to the head, though...

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surreptitious57 wrote:
rayshul wrote:
I am happy with whatever people want to say, or what ever point of view they want to put out there
Yes absolutely. I treat all individuals with a degree of respect - you get that off me by virtue of having a pulse - no other criteria required but ideas are a different thing entirely. I try to reference them from the perspective of logic or morality but nothing should get a free ride, no matter how popular or sacred. I am a great believer in taking everything and anything apart and giving respect to nothing until it has been found to be deserving of it - brutal uncompromising dissection or else it is not worth doing. And this may sound harsh but in actuality is not and for the very obvious reason that ideas are not capable of emotion. Now those who hold them are and an unintended consequence of taking ideas apart now is that they may be compromised by this process, but the alternative is far more painful unfortunately. I sometimes get into trouble for telling others what to do, so what I have referenced here is only what I would and do do. But I find zero fault in it however. It would though be hypocritical of me to deny my own ideas the exact same examination as those of others so feel free to take it to pieces. That is for me the natural default position
Generally good points. As you suggest, the problem tends to be that we all invest some of our selves into our ideas so when they are attacked or criticized it is perceived as an attack on our persons which tends to cause the conversation to degenerate rather quickly. Not at all easy – and maybe not even entirely desireable – to keep those perspectives entirely compartmentalized or separated.

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Skep tickle wrote:
I started to search whether child pornography only meant photos or could also refer to creative writing but decided those were search phrases probably better left un typed
A paedophile engaging with other paedophiles could be charged with obscene publication whereas a professional author using identical language in a novel could not so it is the intention that matters here

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Tkmlac wrote:A short note on the question of whether or not rape is treated as more harmful than other crimes due to a culture's twisted idea of sex: It's really not. It's akin to torture in a lot of ways. Someone is literally holding you down and using your body to pleasure themself against your will. It will probably be the worst thing that ever happened to the victim and the memory of it won't fade.
have to disagree with you Tkmlac. It has plenty to do with the sacred pussy of the "good" women.

I posted a comment on AVfM in regards to false rape accusations, but the majority of it (posted below) works just as well for this discussion:
...Less experienced women seem to equate sex with love far more than those who are less puritanical.

their consent is a “precious gift” for only the “most worthy” of men.

they often need to believe that they would only consent to sex with the “perfect man” who has unconditional love and respect for them. Their “Knight in Shining Armour”.

They are more likely create and believe a fantasy to rationalise spreading their legs...

They are more likely to be ashamed, more likely to feel something was taken from them...
I am not insinuating that rape is always easier emotionally for women who are unconventional in the way they view sex.
I do think most women, especially in the US, have a very similar view of sex and their vaginas, to the puritanical women I described in my comment (even when they claim otherwise).
Sex, is tied to their self-worth, and self-respect, and I believe that is at the centre of rape itself. Rapists know what they are taking away from the woman, and are aroused by the power that gives them.

Many heterosexual men believe that "straight" sex is tied to their masculinity, and a homosexual encounter would significantly diminish it*. When they are raped anally or orally, the rapist is taking something very important to them, that defines who they are, which is also tied to their self-worth, and self respect.

I am also not saying that it is easier for a heterosexual man who is raped by a woman heterosexually, but we all know that for most men, their self-worth does not diminish by having sex with someone they don't love, and they usually do not see the need to blame the woman the next day, even if they regret their decision.

The same puritanical women who regret sleeping with someone, are more likely to find a way to put the blame on anyone but themselves. From convincing herself that he was a creep who used her, to reporting him as having raped her.
When your self-worth is tied to sex, it can manifest in all sorts of demented ways, including self-destruction.



*and before some bellend accuses me of equating masculinity with being heterosexual, one's preference in sexual partner means nothing to me. Who one is has nothing to do with who they love, who they choose to fuck, where they came from, what they look like, what colour or shade of colour they are, if they are disabled, or not, how much formal education they have had, who they are descended from, how much money they have, how privileged they are, or anything else that has fuck all to do with what sort of person one is.

Why hate someone based on the color of their skin any of the above when, if you take the time to get to know them as a human being, you can find so many other things to hate them for?" - Dennis Miller

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sacha wrote:
Steersman wrote: [spoiler]
codelette wrote:
cunt wrote:So am I the only one who thought the Eucliwood/LousyCanuck slashfic was funny as fuck? I hope that's what she sent to him.
I was nauseated. Not because of how graphic the messages were, but because LC totally dries up all my mucous membranes and just seeing his pic makes me vomit a little inside my mouth.
[/spoiler]Maybe you too would like to post your picture so that he and others can make a similar judgement of you?

How old did you say you were? ….
The way I interpreted that is who he is makes her dry, seeing his photo reminds her of who he is. Nothing to do with what he looks like or his age.
Methinks that is, as you suggest, a question of inference and not of fact. You might be right, but her statements seem to provide more support for other interpretations.
and really Steers, MKG can make the comment about posting a photo and age, because he posts his photo and age. It does not really work the same way when you say it
Yes, I’ll quite agree that the case with MKG is not exactly the same as with me.

However, there seems to be enough similarities justifying me and others pointing out what is still appears to be a rather hypocritical position regardless of our own published photo status. Surely, you don’t think it is necessary, for example, when pointing out some hypocritical actions of some FfT bloggers – buying shoes with donated money, for example – to have been in the same situations. It seems our moral senses are sufficiently developed that we can judge without having fully experienced the situations being judged – we can recognize that being robbed is wrong without having been robbed ourselves.

Although I’ll agree that using analogies to make such judgements can be a little tricky – as I’ve argued at what some have characterized as “tl;dnr” length here.

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Skep tickle wrote:
rayshul wrote:I've done some quick IANAL-inspired googling and have discovered cases where 14-16 year olds were prosecuted for photographs of themselves that they sent to boyfriends. Hm.
Yeah, as child pornography.

I started to search whether child pornography only meant photos or could also refer to creative writing, but decided those were search phrases probably better left un-typed.
I'd consult with a US police station (I have no idea how to do that from here though without calling overseas). I haven't read what was posted due to foe settings but would not take a risk.

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ReneeHendricks wrote:Episode #4 of Chill Girls in Pink Corvettes up. Either listen at BTR: http://www.blogtalkradio.com/chill_girl ... r-all-talk or YT:

And before anyone says it, yes there is a sound quality issue. I'm thinking at this point it's the connection to the call rather than mic issues.
I have a copy of this show you should hear hit me on skype

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Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:
rayshul wrote:
I haven't seen that, but she should've got one for Point Break. Because motherfuck I love that movie.
The skydiving advisor should get a bullet to the head, though...
That Reeves-on-Swayze action was the most epic manclinch in history.

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rocko2466 wrote:
Rystefn wrote:
Steersman wrote:
ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:http://i.imgur.com/FIjna.jpg
Gawd forgive me, but I larfed – as I did at the one about someone’s “new shoes” …. :-)
Yeah, I'm not gonna lie. That image made me laugh, too.
I GET IT. It's because Rystefn's hair is tribal... Right?
I assume you’re kidding, but on the off-chance that you’re not, I would say it’s because Rystefn apparently doesn’t own a hammer, but plenty of screwdrivers in, probably, various degrees of functionality. I had thought that a nice addition to the image would have been to have had a bunch of broken screwdrivers strewn about on the ground in front of that hut …. ;-)

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Plonk wrote:Speaking of pornographic, look what i found :popcorn:

That is 1000% awesome. Who is the owner of this fine piece of pornographic gold? I need the rights to use as needed

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AbsurdWalls wrote: I can feel a split coming on.

GREAT RIFTS IN THE SLYMEPIT MOVEMENT!
meh - this argument has been going on since the beginning of the original Slime Pit.

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LMU wrote:
All this concern about women in skepticism. I think maybe we should be more concerned with having *skeptics* in skepticism.

QFT

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somedumbguy wrote:In general ranting about someone's personal appearance, or diet, or health is a cheap shot, and cheap shots should always be avoided. (But it needs to be acknowledged that the rare, very cheap shot, directed on target, can be wickedly delicious.)
Indeed that is precisely how I feel. I made a similar, although far less articulate response a month or so ago when it was brought up.

somedumbguy wrote:I can't tell anyone that complains about the abuse they've suffered that they are whining, or enough is enough, or get over it.

But it's fair to note that their behavior is:
1) Perseverated because they have taught themselves to perseverate and fetishize it, and it's not healthy for anyone, including themselves
and 2 -100) This is what happens when one is continuously crying wolf.

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sacha wrote:
LMU wrote:
All this concern about women in skepticism. I think maybe we should be more concerned with having *skeptics* in skepticism.

QFT
Or more skepticism in more women ....

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somedumbguy wrote:Anyone have a recommendation for an Android app to read the pit with?
Tapatalk will let you read most forums easily on the 'droid.

RE: Nailgate
I want to see Rystefn drive in a screw with a hammer. A nail with a screwdriver is childs-play.

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Dilurk wrote:ERV if this flu shot I took today kills me, I am so going to haunt you.

Thanks for reminding me, I need to get mine tomorrow.

oh, and anti-vaxers can go fuck themselves. That is all.

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Husband has asked me about this video clip. He's seen people talking about how "casually sexist" this is and does not grasp why. I don't either. This is... unrelated to pitter business (heh), but does relate to the fascinating shit feminists think.

[youtube]P99qJGrPNLs[/youtube]

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We haven't had enough misogyny on this thread today, so I want everyone to join me in helping save a dying industry:

http://en.rocketnews24.com/2013/01/09/j ... ital-porn/

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rayshul wrote:Husband has asked me about this video clip. He's seen people talking about how "casually sexist" this is and does not grasp why. I don't either. This is... unrelated to pitter business (heh), but does relate to the fascinating shit feminists think.

P99qJGrPNLs
I don't get the clip at all... is she some kind of robot? And what's with the whole matrix-style slow-mo spinning around stuff? That is so 2000's. I don't see the sexism - she seemed pretty badass.

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Tkmlac wrote:
rocko2466 wrote:[spoiler]
Tkmlac wrote:A short note on the question of whether or not rape is treated as more harmful than other crimes due to a culture's twisted idea of sex: It's really not. It's akin to torture in a lot of ways. Someone is literally holding you down and using your body to pleasure themself against your will. It will probably be the worst thing that ever happened to the victim and the memory of it won't fade. That being said, wearing it as a shield for criticism is an insult. Everyone is going to deal with it in their own way and their own time. Availability of counseling services should be of utmost importance for those who suffer trauma so much that it rules their lives. And that's all I'll say about that.
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My point wasn't that it's treated as more harmful due to the culture's idea of sex. My point was that it's not able to be gotten over because of the victim's already twisted ideas of sex.

But it's a good point that you make. The torture analogy is a good one.
Ah, thanks for clarifying that for me. Being a female and having spent a lot of time around women, many of them having some form of sexual assault in their past, I've witnessed women and girls tell their stories as if they were one-upping each other, literally getting mad and yelling at each other, "You don't know shit! This that and the other happened to me!" These were very low-income neighborhoods and a very small sample, I know, but I'd seen it enough to give me the impression it was pretty typical. I'll tell you what, only three people (other than the perpetrator) know what happened to me: A counselor, my husband and one very, very good friend who also had a story that, as far as I know, she hasn't shared with anyone else. I'll tell people it happened and I'll speak out against rape, talk about the techniques I learned to overcome it, but I don't think I'd ever be able to tell the full story to anyone else.
Interesting story there about the women one-upping each other over, presumably, rather traumatic events. Sometimes I think it is that evidence that some or many women are or can be just as difficult and as nasty as many men that sticks in the craw of many women, particularly the “little princesses” variety.

Reminds me of Anne Coulter’s observations or suggestions that more than a few of the 9-11 widows were more into self-aggrandizement than not, of taking some personal satisfaction and glory out of their husbands’ deaths. And you might have run across Philip Wylie’s Generation of Vipers – highly recommended – wherein he describes the phenomenon of Momism and some of its more egregious manifestations. For instance, he describes some mothers who were going over to France following the first world war to view the graves of their sons and who were engaged in that same sort of odious one-upsmanship over whose son had had more medals when he’d been killed:
Mom also has patriotism. If a war comes, this may even turn into a genuine feeling and the departure of her son may be her means to grace in old age. Often, however, the going of her son is only an occasion for more show. She has, in that case, no deep respect for him. What he has permitted her to do to him has rendered him unworthy of consideration--and she has shown him none since puberty. She does not miss him--only his varletry--but over that she can weep interminably. I have seen the unmistakable evidence in a blue star mom of envy of a gold star mom: and I have a firsthand account by a woman of unimpeachable integrity, of the doings of a shipload of these super-moms-of-the-gold-star, en route at government expense to France to visit the graves of their sons, which I forbear to set down here, because it is a document of such naked awfulness that, by publishing it, I would be inciting to riot, and the printed thing might even rouse the dead soldiers and set them tramping like Dunsany's idol all the way from Flanders to hunt and haunt their archenemy progenitrices--who loved them--to death.
But sorry to hear of your own traumatic experience. Although you are to be commended for not allowing it to destroy you.

[Time to call it a day though; night all ….]

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AbsurdWalls wrote:
Tigzy wrote:
Sorry for the tl;dr - Amy's bare-faced cheek just gets me all frothy and wet like that. I mean, she is so fuckin obvious - why don't her side of the crowd see it?
You are stretching like a motherfucker to find anything objectionable here. It just makes me more comfortable with my assessment that what Amy posted is actually pretty cool.
I'm with Tigzy.

Posting about all of her "hate" is simply to get sympathy and attention, and to make it seem as though she is even more a saint for continuing with her "grants" both of which put a lot of money in her own pocket.

and again crying wolf in the past including her DMCA bollocks makes it impossible for me to take her seriously, impossible for me to have a rice grain of sympathy for her, and impossible for me to ever think she is doing something out of the kindness of her heart.

She won't leave the community, because that is her only customer base for her designer rubbish, and appeals to sympathy have been her best marketing strategy.

sobbing, whining, crying wolf, or vindictive - she's the poster child for why the MRM is a necessity

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Eucliwood wrote:I don't read past posts.
so you are not going to see the complements, the suggestions, and the advice without hostility that many others gave you.

you respond to the mocking and criticism, but not the kindness.

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Tkmlac wrote:
Steersman wrote:
Tkmlac wrote:
What did it ever do to you?!
Nothing; that wasn’t my point.
Okay. TIL Steers doesn't understand jokes on the internet.
I was waiting to see how long it would take you to realise he has some difficulty detecting sarcasm.

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franc wrote:
sacha wrote:
Tigzy wrote:I don't understand how Sasha can claim to not be one of the nicer people here, when she does, in fact, seem very nice anyway.
It's saCha, you fucking mingebag
Never forget the "c" - as in "cunt".
love that! I'm stealing it

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rayshul wrote:To be the lone voice of vehement disagreement on John's rant: I don't think and have never thought that this is a community but a *place*. It is more like a pub where we all show up and have a shout and rant and have our opinions. I'm happy with whatever people want to say, or what ever point of view they want to put out there, fucked up or offensive or ethically questionable or whatever.
definitely the local pub.

have you seen Early Doors?

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Plonk wrote:Speaking of pornographic, look what i found :popcorn:

brilliant

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Skep tickle wrote: I think she's in the US - didn't Lsuoma say something early on about her IP address resolving to somewhere near another new user, & that person subsequently said he/she was in the US midwest, I think.

IANAL, but the main restriction I've heard of is COPPA, which applies when a child is younger than 13.
she's older than 13, but I doubt she's 18.

somewhere between 15 and 17

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BannedAid wrote:A quick note for Eucliwood-

Maybe she really is trolling the board. If so, apologies for prolonging everyone's irritation.
If Eucliwood is a troll, then I like to think they are extremely frustrated in not being able to prove the point they are trying to make about intolerance, banning, censure for off-sight behavior or whatever it is they are doing.

No banning, no dogpiling, no group think here. If someone gets too random and annoying or, OMFG disagrees with someone here, they will be engaged for a long time before they are ignored on an individual basis.

And for the FTBers trying to make hay out of it, that's not "the rules". That's just how we work it.

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I updated my article on Greta's spectacular ShoeGATE schtick.
Here's an excerpt from my blog.
The full article can be read by clicking here.

There seems to be some discussion on the blogosphere defending Greta’s receipt of some monies as “gifts”.

GC attempts to defend her use of funds by changing her mission statement to this:
“I spent the overwhelming majority of the donations from that fundraiser paying my mortgage several months in advance”

“several” definition [adjective- more than a few, an indefinite small number]

“few” definition [adjective- not many but more than one. Two or more]

Realising the true definition of Greta’s post-donation statement it can be assumed the donations GC received, adequately covered the costing for living expenses and mortgage payments, not only for a number of weeks as first published in her campaign, but now carries her expenses for several months.

Greta’s followers made several claims of explicitly stating that their donation is/was intended as a gift, therefore can be spent on items other than those expressed in the charity drive. This conversation did not start until her panhandling exercise concluded, and only by a handful of commenters on her blog.

Over 170 commenters responded to Greta’s plea and expressed their support, both emotional and monetary. I was unable to find a single entry in the comment section specifically stating the pledged contribution can be used for something other than what was described as “living expenses”.

Several supportive commenters who did NOT contribute to the fundraising expressly advised Greta to either “spend on whatever she likes”, or “Keep the overflow for herself”.

· 9 commenters approving the “keep the overflow cash” idea, by self admission, did not donate.

· 11 commenters approving the “keep the overflow cash” idea, made no admissions to donating.

· 4 commenters approving the “keep the overflow cash” idea, actually made a contribution, although, one contributor, by admission, only donated pennies.

Finally, if Greta was serious about ceasing the influx of “Donations”, she’d remove the “Donate” and “Subscription” buttons located beneath her heart felt plea.

ENJOY!

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Mykeru wrote:
BannedAid wrote:A quick note for Eucliwood-

Maybe she really is trolling the board. If so, apologies for prolonging everyone's irritation.
If Eucliwood is a troll, then I like to think they are extremely frustrated in not being able to prove the point they are trying to make about intolerance, banning, censure for off-sight behavior or whatever it is they are doing.

No banning, no dogpiling, no group think here. If someone gets too random and annoying or, OMFG disagrees with someone here, they will be engaged for a long time before they are ignored on an individual basis.

And for the FTBers trying to make hay out of it, that's not "the rules". That's just how we work it.
Slymepit Rule #1 - Tolerance.

FTB Rule #1 - Whatever PeeZood deems ruleworthy.
AtheismPlus Rule #1 - Safety First.
Skepchick Rule #1 - Always drink beer whist wearing shrinky-dinks.
Greta C Rule #1 - Charity starts at home (or does it?)
Ophelia B. Rule #1 - Assume your own shadow is a Poe.

FTB/Skepchick/AtheismPlus "Mission Statement" - MYKERUUUUUU!!!!

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UnbelieveSteve wrote:
Mykeru wrote:
BannedAid wrote:A quick note for Eucliwood-

Maybe she really is trolling the board. If so, apologies for prolonging everyone's irritation.
If Eucliwood is a troll, then I like to think they are extremely frustrated in not being able to prove the point they are trying to make about intolerance, banning, censure for off-sight behavior or whatever it is they are doing.

No banning, no dogpiling, no group think here. If someone gets too random and annoying or, OMFG disagrees with someone here, they will be engaged for a long time before they are ignored on an individual basis.

And for the FTBers trying to make hay out of it, that's not "the rules". That's just how we work it.
Slymepit Rule #1 - Tolerance.

FTB Rule #1 - Whatever PeeZood deems ruleworthy.
AtheismPlus Rule #1 - Safety First.
Skepchick Rule #1 - Always drink beer whist wearing shrinky-dinks.
Greta C Rule #1 - Charity starts at home (or does it?)
Ophelia B. Rule #1 - Assume your own shadow is a Poe.

FTB/Skepchick/AtheismPlus "Mission Statement" - MYKERUUUUUU!!!!
Spot on sir, spot on! :D

I love the way Ophelia, PZ, Twatson etc all refer to this site as a wretched hive of misogyny and "harassment" yet this is by far one of the best forums I've posted on. People are far more honest and if shit happens, it happens but it is not the end of the world.

That and the fact that Rayshul's signature is a quote of mine! :D

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UnbelieveSteve wrote: Slymepit Rule #1 - Tolerance.
Even for you, you fucking ass-munch.

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Mykeru wrote:
UnbelieveSteve wrote: Slymepit Rule #1 - Tolerance.
Even for you, you fucking ass-munch.
I'll pass that comment on to Justicar.

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UnbelieveSteve wrote:
Mykeru wrote:
UnbelieveSteve wrote: Slymepit Rule #1 - Tolerance.
Even for you, you fucking ass-munch.
I'll pass that comment on to Justicar.
Jesus, have you seen that guy sexually harassing me on Twitter? Where's the outrage?

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Mykeru wrote:
UnbelieveSteve wrote:
Mykeru wrote:
UnbelieveSteve wrote: Slymepit Rule #1 - Tolerance.
Even for you, you fucking ass-munch.
I'll pass that comment on to Justicar.
Jesus, have you seen that guy sexually harassing me on Twitter? Where's the outrage?
Mate i haven't laughed so much since i shat in a box and returned it to SurlyAmy as a defective shrinky-dink.

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Post by Jonathan »

Mykeru wrote:
UnbelieveSteve wrote:
Mykeru wrote:
UnbelieveSteve wrote: Slymepit Rule #1 - Tolerance.
Even for you, you fucking ass-munch.
I'll pass that comment on to Justicar.
Jesus, have you seen that guy sexually harassing me on Twitter? Where's the outrage?
Somebody link to or screencap this please!

:lol:

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Re: The Periodic Table's Younger, Sexier, Sibling Thread...

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fascination wrote:For anyone who is interested, Sam Harris wrote a follow up article addressing criticisms about his recent article on guns and self defense. Link:
http://m.samharris.org/blog/item/faq-on-violence
Without buying into the gun control debate, my respect for Sam harris declined a little after that article. It's hard to be certain of the sources for some of his figures (which is strike one), but he also seems to make some of the elemenary howlers people make when trying to compare crime stats from different jurisdictions (strike two for not realising you are out of your area of expertise and charging on regardless). He appears to compare victim survey results (in Australia) with police report results (in the US), though I can't tell for sure as his link to the AIC is incorrect. That would tend to overstate the Australian result by a factor of about three.

He also appears to compare "assault" rates on a very different basis e.g. comparing assaults including "common" assault (which can be very minor and is often used as a backup charge in some places) vs "serious" assaults in the US. Very rougly, that could again overstate the Australian figures by a factor of up to three, but it is nowhere clear that the definitions are the same and Harris goes on to do the comparison depite warnings from the UN figures about this very problem.

The "rape" figures, without even looking too far into them are notoriously difficult to make comparisons with. Even within Australia, there are real difficulties doing this accurately, never mind comparing those figures with other countries. For example, back in the Mesozoic era, there was an attempt to produce the first set of "crime figures" for Australia as a whole and suddenly South Australia emerged as the "rape capitol" of Australia. Now, I know MKG lives there, but it wasn't his fault this time. SA just had a broader definition of "sexual assault" than other States and the figures couldn't be legitimately compared.

And let's not even start with the "reporting to police" issue.

Tying down the details would take rather more work than Harris appears to have put into this, but the issue is way more complex than he portrays, in this article at least.

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Surly Amy wants to extend her grants to blokes, apparently:

http://skepchick.org/2013/01/will-there ... ly-grants/

Maybe we should extend an olive branch to this one. She isn't in the same league as PZ Myers and Ophelia Benson in terms of crushing dissent, and does sound like she is having a hard time. Yes, the t-shirt incident was ridiculous; but IIRC it was more Ophelia Benson who was keen to turn this into a stick to attack opponents with.

Unless she has done something more heinous that I am not aware of, and as such deserves her ill-treatment?

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Good grief.

Someone on Atheism+ posts a limerick that includes the word "wanker" and is accused of sexual harrassment!

What is wrong with these people?!

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