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He's just cunt-struck by Peezus (not that he would admit it). It happens to hero-worshipping pseudo-skeptics. Fine bigfoot and god debunkers, but don't give them any problem which involves deep introspection to overcome their own cognitive biases.
The equidistant attitude is a good opt out.
I believe Phil when he says that he is a good person. He just isn't much of a thinker.

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Mykeru wrote:
another lurker wrote:Now they are going after ERV

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We treat ERV as the "queen bee special snowflake"?

Jesus Fucking Christ, you can just cut that projection with a butter-knife. So much of their "criticism", from both men and women, is pretty much the sexist stereotype of a group of women who go in a catty herd to the powder room to bitch about a woman more attractive and accomplished than they are. Which is pretty much everyone.
I was just going to post that this was projection, but you beat me to it.

Also, they desperately overestimate the amount of time that Abbie spends on the Pit (or me, for that matter). Also, The original threads at ERV hummed along very nicely with - and this is an estimate - Abbie posting quite a bit less than 1% of the entries.

I'm also very upset that I've not been mentioned as an enabler of this terrible misogyny, etc. After all, it's my $$$$ that keep the Pit from disappearing. How about some of that high-class hate coming at me, huh guys?

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decius wrote:He's just cunt-struck by Peezus (not that he would admit it). It happens to hero-worshipping pseudo-skeptics. Fine bigfoot and god debunkers, but don't give them any problem which involves deep introspection to overcome their own cognitive biases.
The equidistant attitude is a good opt out.
I believe Phil when he says that he is a good person. He just isn't much of a thinker.
I'm not going to discount him, since at least he made the effort to come here, but I don't think he left enough of his preconceptions behind. I don't think he was being actively dishonest. Maybe he ought to come back and re-read the exchanges, and see if there are other interpretations he could come up with for his interlocuters' posts.

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justinvacula wrote:[spoiler]Ophelia blogs about the fundraiser to help me attend Women in Secularism 2 (a post in which she links almost an entire Facebook conversation including what seems to be EllenBeth upset about someone asking why I didn't use a picture of a pineapple -- Ophelia's FB avatar -- of Ophelia):

http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterflies ... forward-to

We already have some gems in the comments:

http://i.imgur.com/HtpSHPW.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/ARQbGyq.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/rVT8wyd.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/ZJprlQY.jpg

BTW:
Stochastic terrorism is the use of mass communications to stir up random lone wolves to carry out violent or terrorist acts that are statistically predictable but individually unpredictable.
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http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterflies ... ent-424874

"I fucking hate these people."

Wasn't louis just accusing the pit of fostering hatred of others?

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AbsurdWalls wrote:Setar just keeps delivering:
Setar wrote:Why? Apparently, because we're progressive, support progressive causes, and will in fact die on that fucking hill. Like, REALLY die on that fucking hill, the hill of smiting privilege and creating a just society. Not only is dying on that hill wrong, even apparently going up the hill is too much for most people and every step up we take we suddenly get people turning around and complaining that the hill is too steep even though we're all tied together (and yet, the complainers sometimes utterly refuse to cut the rope tying them to the rest of us, even when they make the motions of sawing away).
If any of the newcomers are wondering about the hill to which Setar is referring, it's this one:

[spoiler]http://ih1.redbubble.net/image.12551936 ... ,075,f.jpg[/spoiler]

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Lsuoma wrote: I don't think he was being actively dishonest.
Nor do I. That's how blinding cognitive biases work.

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Mark Neil wrote:
http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterflies ... ent-424874

"I fucking hate these people."

Wasn't louis just accusing the pit of fostering hatred of others?
Oh, FFS, Neil - get with the program! OF COURSE we're fostering hatred of others. Unless we FORCED them to hate people, all the FfTB commentariat would just luuuuurve everyone on the planet. What are you, stoopid or summat?


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"epitome of personal attacks"

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I've seen Louis argue the same things at ATBC (and flounced from there).

To be charitable - I think it is like being the member of some kind of club or sporting team in a small town where the other team mates are racists. You grin and bear it or at most protest weakly because you are worried about being kicked off the team.

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[quote="justinvacula"[spoiler]]http://i.imgur.com/bKPaeLF.jpg[/spoiler][/quote]
I'm surprised these fucking pussies can even dare to open their eyes every morning, in case the boogerman gets them.

I would LOVE to hear how Carlin would have dealt with them. That would have been worth hearing, and no mistake.

Today, maybe, Stephen Fry? Or Hitch, if he was still around. In days past, Mencken, Wilde, Swift. Oh, the Huge Zvanity!

Apologies if I appear somewhat random, but I am salving my "still in Las Fucking Vegas" hurt with a couple of bottle of Hellhound on my Ale sent over to me by my dear wife...

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And we're getting very close to the 50,000th post. Don't forget that there is a special prize for the person that bags that one!

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Lsuoma wrote:And we're getting very close to the 50,000th post. Don't forget that there is a special prize for the person that bags that one!
I'll stay out of this, in case it involves white cocks.

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decius wrote:
Lsuoma wrote: I don't think he was being actively dishonest.
Nor do I. That's how blinding cognitive biases work.
I think his comment about teaching people the "basics" about how to treat women is very telling. From what people have tried to poke out of him, it does sound like he was refering to the great patriarchy privilege rape culture trinity of stupidity. When people buy into that insanity I don't think it's possible to snap them out of it - I haven't really seen anyone who believes in it manage to crawl out of the cult yet. And I'm absolutely certain I would have probably fallen for it if I wasn't a woman and therefore had a... uh, basic understanding of what it's like to be a woman in the West. (It's pretty good, as it happens.)

He's not apparently able to see that the 'pit treats women like human beings. Conversations about "controversial" issues aren't stopped because women might be upset by them. Women are challenged in the same way to interact and stand up for themselves. Women don't get any special treatment nor gain any special points for being a chick (except in that they can easily refute points from FtB et al who believe that being a chick means you think in a specific way and experience the world in a specific way). Women are allowed to have different opinions and to agree with the opinions of men. Women can talk about sex, about their tits, about whatever they fucking want without shame. This is what equality looks like - a lot of people interacting with different views in one space and getting kudos on the basis of their arguments. And I have zero doubt that women here, if they felt they were being treated with kid gloves by other members, would have something to say about it. SOMETHING LOUD, no doubt.

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SkepticalCat wrote:
AbsurdWalls wrote:Setar just keeps delivering:
Setar wrote:Why? Apparently, because we're progressive, support progressive causes, and will in fact die on that fucking hill. Like, REALLY die on that fucking hill, the hill of smiting privilege and creating a just society. Not only is dying on that hill wrong, even apparently going up the hill is too much for most people and every step up we take we suddenly get people turning around and complaining that the hill is too steep even though we're all tied together (and yet, the complainers sometimes utterly refuse to cut the rope tying them to the rest of us, even when they make the motions of sawing away).
If any of the newcomers are wondering about the hill to which Setar is referring, it's this one:

[spoiler]http://ih1.redbubble.net/image.12551936 ... ,075,f.jpg[/spoiler]
Not as heroic a proposition as they imagine:

[spoiler][youtube]nZwmPMzK8Uk[/youtube][/spoiler]

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rayshul wrote:Fuck. That anecdote actually annoyed me.

People who get treated in a way they don't find acceptable and shout SOCIETY IS EVIL PATRIARCHY a few weeks later to unrelated people instead of asking politely for what they want.
For some reason I was reminded of something concerning attitudes and norms:

Back in the 70s when I was still a card carrying feminist I went with a girlfriend to the dealer when she was buying a new car.

I lost count of the number of times I told the salesman not to talk to me because she was buying the car, and I was never going to drive it. This being Canukistan I was polite and so was she. But eventually he got the message, after my telling him what felt like 30 times.

Fast forward some years later and I did the same with my wife and another female. This time, as soon as the salesman was told I was not buying but both the women were he ignored me completely.

I do not have anything profound to add, but I do remember at the time feeling an immense amount of satisfaction at how far "we" had come in so short a period of time.

Of course, that was then, nowadays I feel as if we are all going to hell in a handbasket. But that may be because I am now in the process of staking a claim in old codger camp.

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Metalogic42 wrote:So now A+ has a topic called "Social-justice-aware eating". Yeah, out of all the possible social issues they could be discussing, now they're talking about food.
Religions are renowned for applying arbitrary taboos on foodstuffs!
With only a few exceptions, such as the Raelians. Who, by any measure are far saner than the tragic bloody galahs at A☦Theism.

A☦Theism have:
Persecution & Oppression Complexes.
An Inviolable Dogma.
A Privileged Hierarchy or Priesthood.
Sexual Taboos.
Ritual Prayers.
Heretics.
A Holy Book. (Animal Farm)
Magic Words and Incantations.
The concept of Spiritual Contamination.
Shunning.
Scape-goating.
Self-flagellation Rituals.
A Secret Inner Sanctum.
Ritual flesh eating.
Reflexive Chanting & Praising.
Cutting themselves off from the rest of society.
"Othering" people who are not strictly like them.
Forming ever-shrinking splinter groups.
etc...

And they wonder why normal people label them as another silly religious cult!

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rayshul wrote:
He's not apparently able to see that the 'pit treats women like human beings. Conversations about "controversial" issues aren't stopped because women might be upset by them. Women are challenged in the same way to interact and stand up for themselves. Women don't get any special treatment nor gain any special points for being a chick (except in that they can easily refute points from FtB et al who believe that being a chick means you think in a specific way and experience the world in a specific way). Women are allowed to have different opinions and to agree with the opinions of men. Women can talk about sex, about their tits, about whatever they fucking want without shame. This is what equality looks like - a lot of people interacting with different views in one space and getting kudos on the basis of their arguments. And I have zero doubt that women here, if they felt they were being treated with kid gloves by other members, would have something to say about it. SOMETHING LOUD, no doubt.
All the above is the norm in most places I know. It takes a warped mind to believe in the myth of the patriarchy.

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AndrewV69 wrote:Fast forward some years later and I did the same with my wife and another female. This time, as soon as the salesman was told I was not buying but both the women were he ignored me completely.

I do not have anything profound to add, but I do remember at the time feeling an immense amount of satisfaction at how far "we" had come in so short a period of time.

Of course, that was then, nowadays I feel as if we are all going to hell in a handbasket. But that may be because I am now in the process of staking a claim in old codger camp.
We're doing pretty well, aren't we! Or we were until the SJW cray-cray set in.

My mother expressed far more feminist sentiments when I was growing up in the late 80s/90s - and I did recognise the issues she brought up then. It's a very different world now and her views matured with them; we rarely discuss anything like that now because it is no longer an issue.

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This was from a Pharyngula thread posted a few pages back but made me lols:

http://i46.tinypic.com/2mg2zbm.png

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PZ wrote:Well, heck. Maybe if they get enough money, they can send JohnTheOther and Roosh and Paul Elam and a few other MRAs to the event, too.

It’s kind of like having creationists show up at an evolution event. They’ll just be regarded with pitying contempt.
Or kind of like having evolutionists turn up at a creation museum? derp

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decius wrote:
rayshul wrote:
He's not apparently able to see that the 'pit treats women like human beings. Conversations about "controversial" issues aren't stopped because women might be upset by them. Women are challenged in the same way to interact and stand up for themselves. Women don't get any special treatment nor gain any special points for being a chick (except in that they can easily refute points from FtB et al who believe that being a chick means you think in a specific way and experience the world in a specific way). Women are allowed to have different opinions and to agree with the opinions of men. Women can talk about sex, about their tits, about whatever they fucking want without shame. This is what equality looks like - a lot of people interacting with different views in one space and getting kudos on the basis of their arguments. And I have zero doubt that women here, if they felt they were being treated with kid gloves by other members, would have something to say about it. SOMETHING LOUD, no doubt.
All the above is the norm in most places I know. It takes a warped mind to believe in the myth of the patriarchy.
True, that. The world described by FtB and other internet feminist groups seems completely at odds with the universe I live in.

Although I did mention there are things I see as examples of patriarchal behavior in rocko's patriarchy thread (off the periodic table) but these are mainly around the continued infantilisation of women - which the feminists rail against (rightfully) in issues like abortion rights, but support when it comes to treating women like children in social situations.

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Hey aweraw

Just wanted to apologize for being short with you a few days ago about the Pit and the subreddit. I admit I was feeling pissed because I thought you were commandeering the Pit label for something that was fundamentally different in structure and presentation, compared to this place.

Thanks for not flouncing, and keep up the good work. There are people (like yourself) who prefer that sort of thing to the Pit, but I want to make sure that the anarchy and wildness we have here are preserved until there are no longer any people who get benefit from this style.

It's not a matter of traffic - I got my AdSense account close for alleged click fraud with a couple of hundred $$$ due me, and if it was running today I'd be grabbing somewhere between $4-500/day based on views: it's simply the style and the fact that this is self-contained. It's not part of anything larger, and can't be characterized beyond what it actually is.

Anyway, just wanted to get this off my chest. If there's anything I can help you with, please ask me.

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ReneeHendricks wrote:
Altair wrote:
ReneeHendricks wrote:Well, Wowbagger is already jumping on that "approved by the Slymepit" bandwagon:

"I don’t know; for something like that he’s likely to win the Slymepit’s ‘Heroic Freethinking Skeptic of the Year’ award, and be asked to join Skeptic Ink as their newest member. Justicar, Thunderfoot and NoelPlum99 will mention him as a fine fellow in their next 137 YouTube videos (about a week’s worth). Russell Blackford will buy him a drink and Jeremy Stangroom will ask him to be his wingman for his next big night on the town."

(from OB's latest post on her acid tweet)
Jeremy Stangroom is persona non grata? When I read that quote I thought his name sounded familiar.
Is this the guy who wrote a couple books with Ophelia? The guy who "is also co-founder, with Ophelia Benson of the website 'Butterflies and Wheels'." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Stangroom)

I thought I knew the back story of almost all of this drama's characters, but how the hell did this guy enter the list of bad people, along with "evil names" like Justicar and Thunderfoot? I would have imagined he was Ophelia's friend.
I believe Stangroom's status has been established due to the whole "Uglies v pretties" thing OB put up a few days back. She's quoted him as saying:
@PhilosophyExp I wonder if it’s a coincidence that many of the “chill girls” who are vilified (for no good reason) happen to be very attractive…
I'm a few pages behind (because I sleep) but Strangroom was persona non grata long before that. I had an exchange with him earlier than that tweet about OB and he said something like it was a long story.

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rayshul wrote:And I have zero doubt that women here, if they felt they were being treated with kid gloves by other members, would have something to say about it. SOMETHING LOUD, no doubt.
What, like "Yeah baby, rub those gloves on me one more time! Oooh!", only very loudly?

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Guessed wrote:This was from a Pharyngula thread posted a few pages back but made me lols:

http://i46.tinypic.com/2mg2zbm.png

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PZ wrote:Well, heck. Maybe if they get enough money, they can send JohnTheOther and Roosh and Paul Elam and a few other MRAs to the event, too.

It’s kind of like having creationists show up at an evolution event. They’ll just be regarded with pitying contempt.
Or kind of like having evolutionists turn up at a creation museum? derp
"Millions" dying to witch hunts? Gallileo was...

oh, nevermind. Let's just let the expert Brian Pavlac answer this:

http://departments.kings.edu/womens_his ... l#Millions
#6. Millions of people died because of the Witch Hunts.

FACT: While millions of people might have been affected, the best estimates of recent historians range from 50,000 to 200,000 dead.

COMMENTARY: The earlier estimates, too often the figure of 9 to 10 million dead is cited, were grossly exaggerated; no respectable historian supports them anymore. Modern figures concerning the number of executed witches are based on a much closer examination of the surviving historical records, combined with reasonable guesswork and statistical analysis for those areas and periods lacking clear sources. The hunts were anything but constant, systematic or frequent.

That some villages were wiped out by witch hunters is also an exaggeration. There is little evidence for such devastation. One extreme example is reported from 1589, where only two women were left in one village in the Trier diocese after a hunt (Wolfang Behringer, ed. Hexen und Hexenprozesse in Deutschland, 4th ed. (Munich: Deutscher Taschenbuch Verlag, 2000), 205, #124). But that left the men. In any case, such thoroughness and ferocity were extremely rare. Further, any particular area had hunts irregularly, and many regions had no hunts at all.

Even the much lower figure of under 50,000 dead would have meant over a hundred thousand put on trial. Then, considering all the personnel involved in the justice system as court officials and witnesses, friends and family members, and those who even felt the "fear" caused by the hunts, millions of peoples lives changed, usually for the worse, because of the witch hunts.

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Michael K Gray wrote:
rayshul wrote:And I have zero doubt that women here, if they felt they were being treated with kid gloves by other members, would have something to say about it. SOMETHING LOUD, no doubt.
What, like "Yeah baby, rub those gloves on me one more time! Oooh!", only very loudly?
HAHAHAH.

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Michael K Gray wrote:
Metalogic42 wrote:So now A+ has a topic called "Social-justice-aware eating". Yeah, out of all the possible social issues they could be discussing, now they're talking about food.
Religions are renowned for applying arbitrary taboos on foodstuffs!
With only a few exceptions, such as the Raelians. Who, by any measure are far saner than the tragic bloody galahs at A☦Theism.

A☦Theism have:
Persecution & Oppression Complexes.
An Inviolable Dogma.
A Privileged Hierarchy or Priesthood.
Sexual Taboos.
Ritual Prayers.
Heretics.
A Holy Book. (Animal Farm)
Magic Words and Incantations.
The concept of Spiritual Contamination.
Shunning.
Scape-goating.
Self-flagellation Rituals.
A Secret Inner Sanctum.
Ritual flesh eating.
Reflexive Chanting & Praising.
Cutting themselves off from the rest of society.
"Othering" people who are not strictly like them.
Forming ever-shrinking splinter groups.
etc...

And they wonder why normal people label them as another silly religious cult!
I can see what you're talking about with the bolded items, but the analogies to the unbolded ones escape me. Can you clarify?

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http://i.imgur.com/3oBt4aJ.jpg

Oh, yes, the protesters screaming "fucking scum," "fuck Warren Farrell," and "rape apologist" were really goaded...especially by the man who wanted to hear Farell because his male friends committed suicide!

[youtube]iARHCxAMAO0[/youtube]

Anyway, I think we have the first conspiracy theory here - that I am attending this event to be a hero to those at A Voice for Men and that I intend to "cause a scene" to "goad people into a rage."

I wonder why I didn't "cause a scene" or "goad people into a rage" when I met PZ Myers at American Atheists' 2012 conference, shook his hand, and had a photo taken with him following his lauding my activism and posting about it on his blog. I wonder why I didn't "cause a scene" at the Reason Rally, while on speaking on a panel at the 2012 Secular Student Alliance, while speaking at the 2012 PA State Atheist/Humanist Conference, and all of the other events I attended and spoke at. Hmm...I suppose I have a 'scene trigger' or something?

http://i.imgur.com/Xo8qhQc.jpg

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Gumby wrote:Ophelia shit-canned our comments without them seeing the light of day. Figures. And after she lamely tries to defend her OP, she starts the "pitters are dangerous!!!!111!" hysteria again:
But there is a background idea here, yes. It is that what the people engaged in this endless non-stop hate campaign are doing is dangerous. Not figuratively dangerous but literally dangerous. Yes, I am in fact afraid that they are going to get each other so worked up about us that one day someone will do something violent. Yes, that’s what I think. I think they’re playing with fire, and that we’re the ones who will be burned by the fire. I think it’s reckless and irresponsible to work up systematic hatred in this way. I think most of them are intelligent enough to realize that.

A couple of them turned up here to tell us that the people at the mildew pit are all very against this acid threat business. Apparently we’re supposed to be impressed. I’m not the least bit impressed. The acid threat is the direct result of their incitement.
http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterflies ... ent-424314

No, you stupid hysterical moron. It's not "hate" coming from us, and no one incites anyone to do anything here. Prove Conlon said what he said because the Slymepit exists. Give your evidence, instead of just smearing. Yeah, we know, you can't. You have nothing but propaganda, you never had anything else.

We are here solely to call you and your fellow thugs out in your lies, and laugh at you while doing so. The way you spin it, we're all sitting here daring each other to go on a rampage. How fucking foolish. Why don't you be honest for once in your life and just admit that there are people who disagree with you, rather than to try to portray everyone who doesn't suck up to you as a potentially dangerous psychopath teetering on the brink of a spree? Don't you understand that there are plenty of people on both sides of this chasm that are perfectly capable of thinking and researching for themselves, people who will see exactly the bullshit smear campaign you're trying to perpetrate here? You're sinking faster than a rock in a pond.

Fuck you, you lying fucking cunt.
And then this is what happens when she plays the game the way she's played it: http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterflies ... ent-424338

"Hey, Ophelia, it's so weird that they would raise acid attacks after this recent event! How odd!"

She's a lying cow and they just gobble it up. Morons.

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