Periodic Table of Swearing

[Michael K Gray]

and lest we forget,

I prefer the more expanded version:

As it lists their priorities in order.
I'll drop this in the images thread, I think.

[BarnOwl]

You need a high end stereo, pitch darkness and LSD to really appreciate.

There's nothing new under the recreational drug-sun that the Butthole Surfers haven't tried.

And a lot of hardcore punk is fucking horrible ... some of the reasons for that are described in The Decline of Western Civilization.

"Didn't know how to play their instruments" applied to the Germs, for example. I think poor Darby Crash died without ever learning.

[sacha]

A+theism.... It is had said many times before, you just can't parody these fuckwits, the reality is always more absurd.

Lets expand on Myers analogy, this party is the atheist party, and fine myers and his morons go off to the library for their circle jerk because they don't appreciate socialising with the unclean, but can they stay in the fucking library? No. The bastards start whining to the host about all the horrible people who are at the party wanting them kicked out, in order to make it a nicer party, start threatening the host that they'll ruin the party if their demands for a nicer party aren't met, they start demanding the other attendees keep the noise down, they are all in fancy dress, and think everyone else should be in fancy dress. They are told the fancy dress party is in the house down the road, and really if they don't like the party they should fuck off to it, but they insist all partys should be fancy dress.

I can imagine Jen dressed in a My Little Pony costume (carrying a weapon, of course - http://freethoughtblogs.com/lousycanuck ... pocalypse/),
a few of the other women dressed as some "girl power" cartoons, a few as Surly-Ramics pendants to show their support for Amy, others with the cosplay outfit they bought for Comic-Con, but of course nothing that sexualizes women:

”... it’s troubling that with boundless opportunities for playful dress, most women at conventions end up as “variations of pin-up girl.” ...

One reason the sexualized objectification of women in cosplay cannot be easily written off with be-whoever-you-want-to-be or dress-however-you-want-to-dress mantras is that sexual harassment of women cosplayers at cons is rampant. While all people should be able to dress as they wish without fear of sexual harassment or violence, the longstanding tactic of using the women’s bodies as commodified objects at cons creates an atmosphere in which real-life women are treated as if they are comic book characters ripe for the handling. Disturbingly misogynistic blogs featuring galleries of women cosplayers further illustrate this way of thinking.

This attitude is no doubt amplified by the omnipresence of paid cosplayers. Scantily clad, often very young women (and even girls) acting as “bodies for hire” were everywhere amongst the throngs of people, passing out ads or serving as human advertisements for upcoming films. What almost naked women with fake torpedo breasts have to do with films such as the forthcoming Total Recall is unclear. Here and elsewhere, the marketing tactic seemed to be “use hot women to lure people in, regardless of what we are trying to sell.”

One thing that struck me over the course of the weekend is how quickly it starts to feel “normal” to see women’s bodies on fetishized display. If I, a card-carrying feminist, become somewhat immune over the course of four days, what does the constant onslaught of female sexual objectification in the wider culture do to people over years?"

http://msmagazine.com/blog/blog/2011/07 ... comic-con/

well, except for the other skepchicks, who will be there wearing their matching sexy/slutty nurse costumes, and handing out shots in penis-shaped glasses. (franc has the link to the video)

Perhaps Sally and Spokesgay will volunteer to arrive early in order to put up streamers and set out the plastic cups for the the Kool-Aid that will available in punch bowls .

Becci can dress as the Queen Bee, and hold the lead attached to a collar that PZ will be wearing that says "emasculated and proud"

and they can all whine and rage in regards to manufactured fear of Slyme Pitters showing up uninvited, while staring at the other library patrons with contempt, because their victim paranoia leads them to believe a number of them are undercover misogynists who are there simply to sexually harass them during their little costume party at the library.

PZ: "

...hooligans who wander about calling everyone “cunts” and slapping derrieres and telling women to stop being so sensitive, it was only a quick fondle...

"Hooligans" with Tourette's Syndrome who also have a neurological disorder that renders them unable to control their own limbs are being oppressed, shunned, and discriminated against by members of Atheism Plus.

PZ is an ableist bigot

[gooby]

Don't dismiss people's problems by appealing to greater problems: For almost every problem, it is possible to find a substantially worse problem. This should not be used, however, to dismiss the original problem. For example, the plight of women under the Taliban is absolutely dreadful, but this doesn't mean that any problem faced by a western woman is trivial.

LOL, an anti-Dawkins rule!

Let's call it Rebecca's Law.

I am a firm believer in dismissing relatively minor (especially WAH SOMEONE CALLED ME A CUNT) problems on account of worse problems existing.

Whether you accept the principles of mainstream economics or not (for the record, I don't), all introductory economics courses start with a very obvious truth: desires, at least compared to the means available to achieve them, are effectively infinite. This means you have to prioritize.

So, no, I don't take much stock in this WHALE JUST BCUZ WOMYN ARE HAVING ACID THROWN IN THEIR FACES DOESN'T MEAN [latest minor headache] IS TRIVIAL.

And, in case anyone is wondering what I'M doing to tackle the world's great problems, well, let's say I have a plan to reduce carbon emissions in my country that involves chemistry. Beyond that I can't say too much. Trade secrets.

[tachikoma]

And talk about a loaded fucking statement:

Don't change the topic to less severe problems: If a particular problem is being discussed, it is dismissive to generalise this into a conversation about less severe problems. Such problems may also be very important, but they should be discussed elsewhere. For example, a discussion about female genital mutilation should not degenerate into a debate about the morality of male circumcision.

(My bolds).

Ha! Talk about framing.

And how can they put write both "Don't dismiss people's problems by appealing to greater problems" and "Don't change the topic to less severe problems" and not see the inconsistency?!

[tachikoma]

Being old white and garbage, I've discovered that most of my peers are profoundly leery about all forms of miso

wut

even more so than they are of the vile nam pla

wut
Pistols at dawn!
Nam pla = best thing ever

[Mr Danksworth]

And, in case anyone is wondering what I'M doing to tackle the world's great problems, well, let's say I have a plan to reduce carbon emissions in my country that involves chemistry. Beyond that I can't say too much. Trade secrets.

Don't ever feel the need to explain your 'what am I doingness'. Whenever that question has been thrown my way there has always been a hook in the bait.

[gooby]

And, in case anyone is wondering what I'M doing to tackle the world's great problems, well, let's say I have a plan to reduce carbon emissions in my country that involves chemistry. Beyond that I can't say too much. Trade secrets.

Don't ever feel the need to explain your 'what am I doingness'. Whenever that question has been thrown my way there has always been a hook in the bait.

Generally speaking, I just don't bother dealing with FfTB smuggots and their ilk anymore.

Bottom line is I'll be getting shit done (when I'm good and ready—a lot of preparation is involved in my case); they'll be jerking off until the coffin dips...

[sacha]

Marmite's okay - sometimes I like it, sometimes I don't - but when it comes to pungent brown condiments, this tops the lot:



I laugh at all those people overseas, who have never had a bacon and brown sauce sandwich.

brown sauce, yum. That and Branston Pickle are a bit easier to find here in full size, and the price is not insolent, as it is for Marmite.

There is one of those mini Tesco's a few blocks away from me, they carry brown sauce in the regular 255g bottle for a reasonable US price, and they carry 360g Branston Pickle for a reasonable price as well. The only Marmite they stock is the miniature, which would be just about enough for a few slices of toast, and they charge something like $7.50. It is easier to buy illegal drugs for a good price here.

[Mr Danksworth]

Bottom line is I'll be getting shit done (when I'm good and ready—a lot of preparation is involved in my case); they'll be jerking off until the coffin dips...

NIce!
The blogwars have hard on me. I get flashbacks. Not good man. <post a trigger warning next time>

[ConcentratedH2O, OM]

Oh, Greta you dumb cunt. Why do you spoil everything for us by making it so easy to mock you as to quote an entire paragraph of your support for A+theism:

And there’s a General Chat section on the Forum, to talk about whatever you wan with others who share the values of Atheism Plus. Cats, skeet shooting, Project Runway… whatever.

...and pink things, and tiaras, and Robert Pattinson, and diamonds, and rainbows and such.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/greta/2012/08/27/atheism-plus-the-site-is-here/

[franc]

You need a high end stereo, pitch darkness and LSD to really appreciate.

There's nothing new under the recreational drug-sun that the Butthole Surfers haven't tried.

And a lot of hardcore punk is fucking horrible ... some of the reasons for that are described in The Decline of Western Civilization.

"Didn't know how to play their instruments" applied to the Germs, for example. I think poor Darby Crash died without ever learning.

I'd rather see a band that can't play but tries than virtuosos going through the motions.

Slugfuckers. 666% awesome.

[franc]

And a lot of hardcore punk is fucking horrible ...

Which is why I love it.

[franc]

And a lot of hardcore punk is fucking horrible ...

Which is why I love it 2.

[franc]

For Andrew the MRA/islam baiter -

http://greylining.com/2011/09/22/the-co ... -islamism/

[Saint N.]

And there’s a General Chat section on the Forum, to talk about whatever you wan with others who share the values of Atheism Plus. Cats, skeet shooting, Project Runway… whatever.

I'm going to pull a SulryAmy and cry that their attempt to create a A+theism forum is harassment against us, because we had the idea first. Theirs is a fake forum! A fake forum I say!!! We are the only ones who can have a legit forum in this discussion, because...reasons and shit...also my feeling. Why are they harassing us like this by making this obviously fake jewelry forum?

Also, won't the existence of an A+theism site/forum make the FC5's FtB blogs redundant, since they're going to be covering pretty much the same topics on both?

[rayshul]

Imagine a great big party with a lot of diverse attitudes present, and you discover that a few of the invited attendees are horrifying drama prone wankers who wander about calling everyone "misoginists/racists/douchebags/white supremacists/gender traitors/dicks/retards" and telling women to stop acting like they're capable human beings. Also they're absolutely intolerable. We're the segment of the party that's stayed in the main room and quietly, quietly boarded up the door of the library behind the wankers...

[Mr Danksworth]

Serious Business.

[Mr Danksworth]

Some dirty, smelly French misogynist shit...

[rayshul]

Okay, I just clicked a link on twitter and found myself on FtB against my will... but what I saw when I got there was pretty fucking awesome.

This does not mean you, personally, have to go knocking on doors in ethnic neighborhoods or start attending local NOW meetings.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/archives/2412/

AHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAAAHAHAHAHAH

[rayshul]

OMFG I love Richard Carrier he's fucking HILARIOUS. He's the gift that keeps shitting into its own mouth.

[Dick Strawkins]

From Carriers latest (there's so much there I have to triage this one first)

But in any case, the revised conclusion makes even more clear that I am talking about marginalizing a group of people within the atheist movement (I am thus not talking about chucking non-atheists into the sewers–plenty of non-atheists are fully on board with the actual values of Atheism+) and that I am not talking about defining whether you are “in” or “out” by adopting any label (what you call yourself doesn’t matter), but by whether you thumbs-up or thumbs-down the values of Atheism+ (which even a conscientious Christian or Muslim could do).

So A+ is open to conscientious Christians and Muslims?

It's just atheists they plan to hate?

In fact I think he is making a good point. If I were a Christian or Muslim I would be over the moon at this whole Social Justice Warrior assault on New Atheism.

[Michael K Gray]

FYI.
I just purchased the following domains:
aplustheism.com
a-plus-theism.com
a-plus-theism.net
a-plus-theism.org

[real horrorshow]

(This blog software actually auto-censors the word S E M P R I N I !!)

Perhaps the code monkey responsible was a hardcore Python fan (I say hardcore, because I wasn't aware of their S******i gag until just now, and I'm a fan.)
Alternatively, it may be because 'S******i' is an anagram of 'penis rim' and we all know that (functioning) penises, and those who possess them, are bad. Check your organs of privilege at the door.

[Michael K Gray]

OMFG I love Richard Carrier he's fucking HILARIOUS. He's the gift that keeps shitting into its own mouth.

My comment from the previous thread is still in limbo.
The lying cunt says it is because he is busy.
4 days+ now, and others have passed muster.

[Michael K Gray]

(This blog software actually auto-censors the word S E M P R I N I !!)

Perhaps the code monkey responsible was a hardcore Python fan (I say hardcore, because I wasn't aware of their S******i gag until just now, and I'm a fan.)
Alternatively, it may be because 'S******i' is an anagram of 'penis rim' and we all know that (functioning) penises, and those who possess them, are bad. Check your organs of privilege at the door.

Perhaps the code is written in the pooter language Python?

[Mr Danksworth]

From Carriers latest (there's so much there I have to triage this one first)

But in any case, the revised conclusion makes even more clear that I am talking about marginalizing a group of people within the atheist movement (I am thus not talking about chucking non-atheists into the sewers–plenty of non-atheists are fully on board with the actual values of Atheism+) and that I am not talking about defining whether you are “in” or “out” by adopting any label (what you call yourself doesn’t matter), but by whether you thumbs-up or thumbs-down the values of Atheism+ (which even a conscientious Christian or Muslim could do).

So A+ is open to conscientious Christians and Muslims?

It's just atheists they plan to hate?

In fact I think he is making a good point. If I were a Christian or Muslim I would be over the moon at this whole Social Justice Warrior assault on New Atheism.

That's a bit of a 180 from his diatribe earlier this week. From the outside it looks like his handler has him by the balls.

[Michael K Gray]

That's a bit of a 180 from his diatribe earlier this week. From the outside it looks like his handler has him by the balls.

Greta Christinher, or Pope PZed?

[rayshul]

OMFG I love Richard Carrier he's fucking HILARIOUS. He's the gift that keeps shitting into its own mouth.

My comment from the previous thread is still in limbo.
The lying cunt says it is because he is busy.
4 days+ now, and others have passed muster.

Maybe you were commenting from an ethnic neighbourhood

[rayshul]

I really do think he's adorable though, I'd like to keep him as a pet

I've barely stopped laughing since I read that bit, I keep going off to do things and then I think "Carrier" and I start laughing all over again.

[Mr Danksworth]

That's a bit of a 180 from his diatribe earlier this week. From the outside it looks like his handler has him by the balls.

Greta Christinher, or Pope PZed?

I have no idea. Both mental images give me nightmares. I still have a glimmer of hope that he turns out to be a deep cover operative...the whole situation is too Poe.

[real horrorshow]

OMFG I love Richard Carrier he's fucking HILARIOUS. He's the gift that keeps shitting into its own mouth.

Now I know I'm just an old Dictionary Atheist, but what we have here - gospel according to Carrier - is a form of atheism which excludes huge numbers of atheists, but includes a large number of theists. Is that right?

But in any case, the revised conclusion makes even more clear that I am talking about marginalizing a group of people within the atheist movement (I am thus not talking about chucking non-atheists into the sewers–plenty of non-atheists are fully on board with the actual values of Atheism+) and that I am not talking about defining whether you are “in” or “out” by adopting any label (what you call yourself doesn’t matter), but by whether you thumbs-up or thumbs-down the values of Atheism+ (which even a conscientious Christian or Muslim could do).

So, we have a development in Baboon Newspeak. PeeZus has told us that simply not believing in gods doesn't make you an atheist. Now, we go further. Now, believing in gods is no obstacle to being an Atheist+. I am tempted to quote Inigo Montoya at this point. Instead, I will point to one of the 'values of Atheism+' which Carrier lays down:

We care about applying skeptical, evidence-based reasoning to everything, not just god stuff, or UFOs, or [insert special interest here]: I will assume I don’t need to explain why a commitment to reasonableness and integrity (as well as compassion) entails we should all be on board with “critical thinking and skepticism,” so I won’t insult your intelligence by making any further defense of that.

Isn't this going to create a bit of a problem for Carrier's - yet to be recruited - Christian and Muslim Atheist+ers? If other Atheist+ers get all 'skeptical' about their gods, it might cause a bit of a rift, might it not?
Maybe not because, in the next paragraph, he explains:

This does not mean, however, that you personally should give up focusing most of your attention on the god stuff or UFO stuff or homeopathy or whatever drives your interest and your passion and lines up best with your skillset and resources.

So, okay, you can be an Atheist+ if you believe in gods or ufos, provided you are 'on board with “critical thinking and skepticism”', though you needn't apply “critical thinking and skepticism” to your own pet irrationalities, if you don't want to.
Hold on a sec though. Carrier goes on to say:

Do you agree it is a good idea for the atheist community in general to focus skeptical, evidence-based reasoning on everything we can, and not just on narrow domains of inquiry and assertion to the total exclusion of all else–or do you think we should not ever, in any venue, apply skeptical, evidence-based reasoning to other matters? If you are in the latter camp, you might not be an asshole, but you are certainly committed to being irrational. And we’ll tell you so.

You can be an Atheist+ even if you're a ufo-worshipper or god-watcher, providing you agree with their values, including “critical thinking and skepticism”, but you don't have to apply those values to your own beliefs, though, if you don't they'll do it for you. (And you might be an "asshole")
Riiiiight.

Alternatively.

a·the·ist
   [ey-thee-ist]
noun
a person who denies or disbelieves the existence of a supreme being or beings.

Yeah, I'll stick with that one I think.

[Michael K Gray]

Dickie-boy is doing our work for us for free!
Only much more efficiently than I could.
The obedient prole is tying himself in logical (k)nots, attempting to defend his hilarious indefensible bullshit-lying-spin.
If he doesn't watch out, all those 180s will twist off his nutsack that PZ has in a firm reach-around grip.
(Unless that is the currently accepted male-martyr's method become an A+theist?)

[Michael K Gray]

Steersman is doing a reasonably adequate job of highlighting the A+ Theists hypocrisy:
http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic ... rt=50#p386
He already has goaded them into breaking quite a few of their restrictive juvenile tree-fort rules.

[Dick Strawkins]

Carrier is obviously a good student of religious history.
He knows the first rule of writing a religious dogma that lasts the test of time is to make sure it contains completely contradictory elements. That way everyone can find something they agree with and use to tell the opposing side that they are wrong.

He sort of gives the game away with his repeated sentences after each paragraph of the commandments.

Blah-de-blah about some general type of normal decent person behavior such as being onboard for increasing diversity in the atheist movement (knock on doors in "ethnic neighborhoods"), tackling injustice in society or combating bigotry or discrimination
Followed by Herr Carrier asking whether you are in favor of these things and proscribing the punishment to be applied.

If not, then you are an asshole. And you are definitely thumbing-down Atheism+. We are done with you. You are not one of us. You can go start your own clubs and have your own conferences.

Does he not realize that we can see through all this bullshit.

Who the hell is in favor of discrimination, bigotry and prepetuating poverty? There may be some rich and/or antisocial types that fall into this category but I dont think they are the sort that go to atheist/skeptic conferences in the first place.

We know from experience that being an asshole, a bigot, a racist or a misogynist in their eyes doesn't require dismissal of the general humanistic ideals placed in the storefront window of A+theism, like so many copies of Dianetics.
All it takes is raising a question, asking for evidence or, heaven forbid, disagreeing with the heirarchy of FTB (and isn't it hilarious that they now have an official "heirarchy" - PZ, Mr Ed, Ophelia and Greta Rien)

We are done with you. You are not one of us. You can go start your own clubs and have your own conferences.

I think there is a skepchick conference or it's part of some other larger comic conference or something, but apart from that is there a major conference organized by the FTBers?

If there was it would sound like my idea of hell so I wouldn't want to be anywhere near it, but I don't think there is one.
I think Carrier is referring to the larger Atheist/skeptic conferences that occasionally, and increasingly, get FTB/Skepchick speakers and he is articulating a wish to exclude anyone who has a public disagreement with the views of the FTB heirarchy.
It's simply a badly organized attempt at a coup detat against the atheist movement. He's been deafened by the echo chamber that is FTB comment section into assuming that their narrow self serving interest is supported by the wider community.

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

Justin: great podcast! See PM on FB...

[Philip of Tealand]

I really should go away more and then come back - cos each time I do the proportion of Crazy just gets better and better!

Fantastic podcast Justin, really nice to hear something so down to Earth and reasonable

Cheers all, hopefully the avatar is approved of, I did my best to capture a good likeness!

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

I really should go away more and then come back - cos each time I do the proportion of Crazy just gets better and better!

Fantastic podcast Justin, really nice to hear something so down to Earth and reasonable

Cheers all, hopefully the avatar is approved of, I did my best to capture a good likeness!

So you have both a teacup and a lightsaber? Approved!

Sorting out Alicja's salary right now. She earns 8 times more than I do. Privileged fuck!

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

Scratch that, 6 times more. Not so privileged after all...

[Philip of Tealand]

So you have both a teacup and a lightsaber? Approved!

Teasaber, I can't be the kind of misogynist I am without it.

I usually bring it out when women are around and I need to ask their names on buses.

[Michael K Gray]

Teasaber

Thank fuck it is not a CoffeeSabre!
That would be a true crime against Elevators, A+Theism, and Dick Carriers.

[dustbubble]

Its funny isnt it. Many of them claim they would never, ever read this forum - yet someone almost certainly is.

Well, Myers has nothing to do all day, every day.
Greta, Bentson, Watto and the rest don't have trophy wives, so they have to shift for themselves, and that sort of thing can take its toll, you know, so I'd absolve them of lurking.
Watto just discovered she had to make her own coffee, as there was no man around putting out.

[Michael K Gray]

Well, Myers has nothing to do all day, every day.

Apart from finishing his book that he fraudulently took a paid sabbatical to supposedly complete, of course.

(What's with that anyway? An Ass Prof of Biology taking paid leave to write short fantasy paperback? Where do I apply to get a slug-lazy barnacle-blood-sucking idle-leeching deadbeat scrounging job like that?)

Which he has abandoned through the probable realisation that it would be remaindered the day it was released.
"Lose Friends & Effluence People the Myers' Way" just doesn't stack up to "The End of Faith", "The God Delusion", "God is Not Great" or even "Darwin's Dangerous Idea".

[rayshul]

So you have both a teacup and a lightsaber? Approved!

Teasaber, I can't be the kind of misogynist I am without it.

I usually bring it out when women are around and I need to ask their names on buses.

I still can't believe that was "harrassment". Lots of people talk to me in the street. Like, every day.

I recently read a bit of twittershit with someone taking notes on how often people were harrassed because of their gender. One woman said she was harrassed every time she went outside, even if she had her kids around. I can't quite get my head around that because she lived in the same area I used to live.

I'm wondering if this is just a complete misunderstanding of how human interaction works. Like maybe my friendly "hello, nice day," is someone else's harrassment.

[rayshul]

Then again, what do I know, maybe her next door neighbour yells "SHOW US EM TITTIES" at her every time she passes his house.

[rayshul]

Can we hear other rejected titles for Myer's opus?

I'm thinking:

"Shouting on the internet"
"The Fifth Horseman SERIOUSLY GUYS please let me in"
"The dummy's guide to porcupine insertion"
"Preaching to the echo chamber"
"Pink bunny & me, or how I learned to love radical feminism"
"I am Myers, hear me capitulate"
"Atheism+: Faith for the faithless"

[dustbubble]

Then again, what do I know, maybe her next door neighbour yells "SHOW US EM TITTIES" at her every time she passes his house.

Nah, that's Old Greg Laden you're thinking of.
His neighb0rs are My-Name-Is-Earl-type garbage like me, and say what they see.

[Philip of Tealand]

So you have both a teacup and a lightsaber? Approved!

Teasaber, I can't be the kind of misogynist I am without it.

I usually bring it out when women are around and I need to ask their names on buses.

I still can't believe that was "harrassment". Lots of people talk to me in the street. Like, every day.

I recently read a bit of twittershit with someone taking notes on how often people were harrassed because of their gender. One woman said she was harrassed every time she went outside, even if she had her kids around. I can't quite get my head around that because she lived in the same area I used to live.

I'm wondering if this is just a complete misunderstanding of how human interaction works. Like maybe my friendly "hello, nice day," is someone else's harrassment.

If that is the case then lock me up - I joke and talk with complete strangers all the time - they don't seem to run screaming, some of the crazier even laugh and smile - I must be doing harassment badly or something

[AnonymousCowherd]

You may be on to something Mr Danksworth. This whole episode is begining to look like a very large Situationist Prank with everyone struggling to be Guy Debord. And he had to wind up the whole Situationist International after having thrown everyone else out of the movement. Hilarious.

I wonder if Dear Jen is trying for the Malcolm McLaren part?

[Lsuoma]

(This blog software actually auto-censors the word S E M P R I N I !!)

Perhaps the code monkey responsible was a hardcore Python fan (I say hardcore, because I wasn't aware of their S******i gag until just now, and I'm a fan.)
Alternatively, it may be because 'S******i' is an anagram of 'penis rim' and we all know that (functioning) penises, and those who possess them, are bad. Check your organs of privilege at the door.

Board admin defines word censorship.
Board admin in a 1st gen Monty Pithon Python fan,

[Michael K Gray]

I still can't believe that was "harrassment". Lots of people talk to me in the street. Like, every day.

Derren Brown: I'm getting an A, or an A+...
(Or an R something. Have you got a relative or a pet, or a treasured possession that has an "R" in it's name? Or sounds like an R when you have a cold? Yes! The spirits told me that before you said it. My trusted spirit-guide is Jonathan Walker, black labella)

I am intuiting that folks deign to speak to you on the street as though you are a human being, is probably solely because you are "a woman of beige colour".
That gives you an automatic get out of criticism free pass with the FC65.
My spidey sense tells me, that like all of the Maidens from Mauritius whom I have met, you are delightfully petite in stature.
Not "short", oh noes!

Harassment? Tell that to the kids of today, an' they won't believe you.

[AndrewV69]

For Andrew the MRA/islam baiter -

http://greylining.com/2011/09/22/the-co ... -islamism/

A good piece Franc.

You might have got a bit more specific about divisions in Islam for example between Sunni and Shia. These are deep and while people like Yasser al-Habib talk a good show about tolerance and reasonableness, nonetheless each year he presides and promotes a celebration that is bound to inflame the most tolerant and liberal Sunni and provoke them to anger.

You also alluded to the Salafis vs Christians but people do not seem to know that they are not a monolith and are generally subdivided roughly like this:

1) Neo-Salafi/Madkhali/Jami/Murji'ia Salafis: their shaikhs are Rabee MAdkhali, Shaikh Al-Jami, Shaikh Ali Halabi Al-Athari
2) Salafiyya Mashyakhiyya: Ibn Baz, Ibn Uthaymeen, Albani, Muqbil Wad'iee
3) Salafiyya Ilmiya: Abdul RAhman Abdul Khaliq, the Ansarul Sunnah movement
4) Ikhwani Salafis: Abdul Majeed Zandani, Omar Al-Ashqar
5) Suroori/ Sahwa Salafis: Safar Hawali, Salman Oadah
6) Salafi Jihadi: Osama bin Laden & Al-Qaeda

It is the radical Salafis generally that pose the biggest problems because they are radical "traditionalists" that have invented and adhere to traditions that never existed, have no respect for any of the other branches of Islam and are fueled by hate.

Generally you are correct though, that it is the radical areas of Islam that the Liberal West seeks out and promotes. I have a idea that this is deliberate and they see a way to either/and/or profit from it or promote it as part of their agenda.

Something like immigration, replace the prole population that will not adopt the agenda of the progressives with one that they think it will, and another group goes along with it because they see cheap labour, and in the case of Feminism they can double their workforce for roughly the same cost.

I would say more but I g2g. Have to catch a ferry.

P.S. I do not usually bait anyone. If anything more often than not I avoid saying what I think, because what little I do say, quite often inflames.

[Za-zen]

bah having trouble uploading this image for my avatar
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/442/zazen.jpg/

[Philip of Tealand]

bah having trouble uploading this image for my avatar
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/442/zazen.jpg/

I put mine in Paint, re-sized it, saved it as a Jpeg and it seemed to work - give that a whirl and then poke fun at me for getting it all horribly wrong!

[Lsuoma]

bah having trouble uploading this image for my avatar
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/442/zazen.jpg/

My god! It's full of ads!

[Za-zen]

bwhaaa ha ha bhwaaaa haha you fool lsuoma you fell into my ad trap, i am of the darkside and all lightsiders will kneel before my mighty lightsaber

[Za-zen]

To all you peons out there. My name is no longer za-zen.

I am darthzen created from the darkmatter of darkatheism denzien of the darkestreaches of the darkestplaces of the darkestpyt. No light will shine except the redshift of my darksaber as it gets rammed nonconsentually in carriers darkhole

[franc]

For Andrew the MRA/islam baiter -

http://greylining.com/2011/09/22/the-co ... -islamism/

A good piece Franc.

You might have got a bit more specific about divisions in Islam for example between Sunni and Shia.

Oh fuck you. Writing for the masses. Sunni => wahhabi => salafi => infinite fragments

Thanks for liking it. But there are at least two islam scholars in this room.

[The Pelagic Argosy]

(This blog software actually auto-censors the word S E M P R I N I !!)

For that you get a special rank!!!

I'm glad I spotted this because I was about to complain that

Profaner of the First Rank
[photo of S*mprini]

was looking suspiciously like an "OM" or similar baboonage.

[surreptitious57]

So A+ is open to conscientious Christians and Muslims?

It is open to anyone and a few from this side have joined up. I posted that they need to be more open and no idea gets a free ride, and the two sister sites are echo chambers, and that there is already a division in atheism because of all the flame wars, and guess what? Nothing, absolutely nothing. So a thumbs up so far, though of course it is early days yet and things may change once it has settled down but even so. We need as many from this side as we can get to balance it out so anyone wants to dip their toes in the deep end, away you go. It will be better you actually debating them, rather than debating about them methinks. So form an orderly queue now and away you go. See you in there if you do make it over.

[The Pelagic Argosy]

Justin: great podcast! See PM on FB...

Agreed. I can't often sit through these things but that was most listenable.
/echochamber

[Za-zen]

I'll echo the echo that the podcast gets a darthstar award

[Za-zen]

I have a complaint about sacha.

She is in open rebellion to the agreement that all pyters shoud have southpark avatars. She's a troublemaker who is obviously here to troll, she even quoted me in her personal attack. The majority decided that the pyt movement would be represented by southpark avatars and she needs to be told that she needs to get it or get out.

[The Pelagic Argosy]

[...] she even quoted me in her personal attack.

Your fainting couch, madam. Plus a very large violin with which to soothe your vapours:

[The Pelagic Argosy]

I call it Fainting Couch+

[justinvacula]

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

And we shall PREVAIL!!!

Sorry, working on my rendition of HBO's Rome theme. I may have gotten carried away a little...

[ERV]

I already tried that, remember?

The result was Greta Christina throwing an epic temper-tantum and pulling out of FreeOK2, and PZ Myers squealing about how I was threatening him/all FfTBers with death (technically, 'debate', but Myers isnt concerned with trivialities like truth) and wouldnt never ever no NEVERS be at a conference with me for such a confrontation to take place.

I *WANT* to debate these fuck heads, and they ran away crying.

Tell Stangroom we dun been der dun dat.

[Scented Nectar]

Nice one, PZ. Trying to make it sound like we, who use the word cunt, also sexually assault people ("slapping derrieres"). People PZ Liars, who on purpose, word things like that to make it seem that us "cunt" saying Pitters sexually assault people too, is the type of person who I'd bet money, makes real life false claims too. Makes me wonder if he ever got pissed off at any adult males as a kid and faked an abuse. He seems that type, judging by his conflation of "cunt" sayers (meaning Pitters, obviously) with actual sexual assaulters.

Myers and Watson both. I wonder if they've left a trail of real life false accusations, due to it being their par-for-the-course method when online. I'm not accusing, just wondering. They seem like the type who wouldn't just stop at online false accusations.

Well, I'm off to watch Rocky Horror! My copy from Amazon came yesterday. Also got Labrynth and Tommy, both faves from years ago. Oh Brad, Oh Janet!

[Lsuoma]

I call it "The Twatson Maneuver":

[justinvacula]

Richard Dawkins on way to Witch of the Week status again for...retweeting.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/blaghag/201 ... yet-again/

Lucy tweeted "I'm a woman & an atheist blogger, & never experienced sexist abuse from fellow atheists. Maybe because I don't assume they're misogynists."

From Veronica at Purple NoiZe:

Good for you Lucy. Good for you. There are numerous women who have, but I’m glad you’re not one of them.

The problem, however, with this tweet is of course the second sentence. Lucy seems to be saying that either is the abuse imagined, i.e. that the recipients interpret the abuse as sexist while it is actually just for laughs or something. It is a little tricky to treat death and rape threats as funny jokes, but I suppose if you’re naive enough you could manage it. The other option is that the abuse women receive online is caused by women assuming these people are misogynists, therefore the sexism is really the victim’s fault for being so uppity. The classic victim blaming that we so often see of rape victims.

So yeah, Lucy. You’re full of shit.

… and Richard Dawkins retweeted it.

Looks like Dawkins hasn’t learned anything in the last year. And this is why you shouldn’t have idols, folks.

[RebeccaB]

Justin - hilarious podcast. I just linked to your blog post about it, on the JREF thread concerning A+, which is itself pretty good. See #251 at:

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=242361&page=7

(Parenthetically, I linked to my blog as well. Secret agenda? Moi?)

[justinvacula]

Justin - hilarious podcast. I just linked to your blog post about it, on the JREF thread concerning A+, which is itself pretty good. See #251 at:

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=242361&page=7

(Parenthetically, I linked to my blog as well. Secret agenda? Moi?)

Thanks! ...and thanks to many who have enjoyed the podcast.

[Goatboy]

...
Y'know, just a few weeks back I started thinking that this whole FtB vs the rest of the atheist movement (you know that privileged, male, white, sexist, cisgendered...blah blah blah...one) couldn't possible go on for another year, since just about everything we could possibly say against them has already been said. But then came this whole A+(theism) crap. Now I'm thinking that even if this plus nonsense dies out quickly, they'll just keep coming up with more lulz worthy stuff for us to laugh at. Basically, I predict this thread will span for hundreds of more pages before it's all said and done. So...



and lest we forget,

I’ve been reading through some of the old threads from ERV and it’s pretty obvious that a fairly large percentage of the things that could be said were all said within two weeks of Elevatorgate.

It’s depressing to realise that people have been accused of misogyny, just for asking for some actual evidence, for over a year now. It’s also funny how utterly incapable of addressing those requests Skepchicks/FfTB remain. Hell, just last week Rebecca Watson claimed that many of the numerous rape threats she receives come from people who identify as humanists in their online profiles.

Have we seen these threats? No. Has she named these people? No. But Humanism apparently has a real problem and the only way to solve it is to subcontract our reasoning to these idiot demagogues.

So yeah, the conflict is eternal – or at least until they can no longer squeeze petty drama, ego reinforcement and income from it.

[windy]

Yep, they started a whole new movement, and they don't even know what it is yet. All they've managed to do so far is tack a fucking plus sign at the end of the atheist "A" and attract a bunch of Women's Studies 101 armchair slacktivists. "Wheee! We're gonna change the world? Uh, what is this all about, anyway?"

They've basically embraced the equivalent of "Framing Science" and are fellating Phil Plait's DBAD despite all their protests against those tactics not so long ago. "You went full Mooney, guys. Never go full Mooney."