Periodic Table of Swearing

Continuation of the post at Abbie Smith's ERV blog (http://scienceblogs.com/erv/)

Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby justinvacula » Fri Aug 17, 2012 2:46 pm  •  [Post 7061]

Notung wrote:Having just defended MRAs (sort of):

justinvacula wrote:...I am working on a guest post for AVoiceForMen...


Er... is that a good idea?


I don't identify as an MRA or necessarily agree with all of their views. A Guest post give my views, not theirs. Their audience is interested and I would like to make more people aware of this issue (especially if it actually does go to court as Zvan alludes to, but I doubt it will and hope it does not because that's just flat out ridiculous.)
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby justinvacula » Fri Aug 17, 2012 2:47 pm  •  [Post 7062]

Tigzy wrote:
Badger3k wrote:Ah, yes, Legal Expert (especially on "Cyber-Stalking") Stefunny. I think she works at the law firm of Dewey, Cheatum and Howe. I do see that Hannibal is there, probably trolling (assuming this is the same one who was trolling Sally at TF). Lulz must ensue.


hannanibal says:
August 17, 2012 at 12:45 pm

WOAH! He used a photo of a pendant? Shit just got real….

Amy needs to get a life. This shit is blatantly fair use.


:lol:

But alas, it looks like Stefunny was quick to ban him: http://freethoughtblogs.com/almostdiamonds/2012/08/17/it-isnt-enough-to-feel-righteous/#comment-109666


Well, I can't say I am surprised. Stephanie Zvan fails to rebuke those who use DMCA claims which lead to censorship. At least she provided links to my posts and used my name unlike 'Canuck.' Will one Freethought Blogs blogger defend me and rebuke persons for filing DMCA claims at their critics? Whether you love me, hate me, or are indifferent, DMCA filing is repugnant. ...and is 'Surly Amy' really going to take me to court because I used a photo? Honestly?
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Notung » Fri Aug 17, 2012 2:53 pm  •  [Post 7063]

justinvacula wrote:I don't identify as an MRA or necessarily agree with all of their views. A Guest post give my views, not theirs. Their audience is interested and I would like to make more people aware of this issue (especially if it actually does go to court as Zvan alludes to, but I doubt it will and hope it does not because that's just flat out ridiculous.)


I know all of those things, but I wonder if it might look like a blemish on your record. Of course, posting on an MRA site (and I do think there's some misogyny there, even if Astrokid disagrees) doesn't make you an MRA, but if I didn't know better and saw that you'd written an article on there, it would look as if you are an MRA and a participant in the sort of misogyny that goes on there. You aren't, of course.

I'm not saying don't do it - I'm saying be careful that it isn't used against you. Perhaps say at the beginning (without being nasty to the MRAs) that you're not an MRA yourself, or something like that.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Gumby » Fri Aug 17, 2012 2:58 pm  •  [Post 7064]

Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:
Michael K Gray wrote:
Tigzy wrote:
justinvacula wrote: I'd say it was a pretty questionable thing to do, considering that a good number of us here would probably be up in arms if a baboon posted the address of a Slymepitter on FfTB or Skepchick.

I, for one, would not be 'up in arms' nor 'down in legs'.

If it is public, it is FUCKING PUBLIC!!!

An 8 year old could find this info on their mobile during a gymnastic vaulting-session without breaking a sweat!
(Only taking a break to distribute ze dirt around ze compound, ja?)

Oh, puulleze, as they say.


Well, I'd argue it's public but making it available so easily on an open forum might be bad form. Lousy Jason did the same thing, basically, and we kind of nailed him for it.


PZ did the same thing when in his last couple of Thunderf00t posts, he made a point to use TF's real name. Even though TF's real name is fairly common knowledge by now, there was no good reason for PZ to start using it, other than as a way to be a dick and to attempt to make TF uncomfortable. I'm with you on this issue. What Justin Vacula did was completely unnecessary and somewhat petty imo.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Gumby » Fri Aug 17, 2012 3:01 pm  •  [Post 7065]

Notung wrote:I think Justin posting that address is a bit like Myers using 'Phil Mason'. The info is out there, but even so it's probably best not to post it.


As usual someone beats me to it.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Za-zen » Fri Aug 17, 2012 3:06 pm  •  [Post 7066]

Justin you must be in lala land if you think fftb would blog about this rationally. Canuck and steffunny are hilarious, what they are doing is so transparent, who is up next in the relay they organised, ophelia is my guess, with a moral outrage post.

Amy is shitting herself, because her bluff has been called, and imagine the situation where she was required to post a video retraction to stop prosecution for malicous dmca claims. That is what they are terrified of, having to admit being in the wrong, how can they ever be they've got god on their side, their whole world might fall apart.

That's why funnyban is playing lawyer, lol." Ohhhh you better stop now or you'll be in big trouble!" comical fucking comical.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Steersman » Fri Aug 17, 2012 3:07 pm  •  [Post 7067]

justinvacula wrote:
Tigzy wrote:
Badger3k wrote:Ah, yes, Legal Expert (especially on "Cyber-Stalking") Stefunny. I think she works at the law firm of Dewey, Cheatum and Howe. I do see that Hannibal is there, probably trolling (assuming this is the same one who was trolling Sally at TF). Lulz must ensue.


hannanibal says:
August 17, 2012 at 12:45 pm

WOAH! He used a photo of a pendant? Shit just got real….

Amy needs to get a life. This shit is blatantly fair use.


:lol:

But alas, it looks like Stefunny was quick to ban him: http://freethoughtblogs.com/almostdiamonds/2012/08/17/it-isnt-enough-to-feel-righteous/#comment-109666


Well, I can't say I am surprised. Stephanie Zvan fails to rebuke those who use DMCA claims which lead to censorship. At least she provided links to my posts and used my name unlike 'Canuck.' Will one Freethought Blogs blogger defend me and rebuke persons for filing DMCA claims at their critics? Whether you love me, hate me, or are indifferent, DMCA filing is repugnant. ...and is 'Surly Amy' really going to take me to court because I used a photo? Honestly?


Seems to me that Stephanie Zvan made a credible case based on the “Copyright Crash Course” she linked to against your use of that photo. Whatever merits there may be in the post in which that photo was used, it would seem to be rather dicey to argue that it was “fair use”.

I’ll agree that DMCA use can be repugnant, but not necessarily so. But it might help matters, at least in the Girl Writes What case, if people using that method have to identify themselves rather than doing it anonymously ....
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby CommanderTuvok » Fri Aug 17, 2012 3:11 pm  •  [Post 7068]

Have any of you guys seens this insanity on Twitter. It ends with Opheliar saying linking the term "virulent" with "feminism" (even a certain type of feminism as specified) is "misogynist.

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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Za-zen » Fri Aug 17, 2012 3:17 pm  •  [Post 7069]

Marcotte is a fuckwit.

What has the pussy riot case got to do with feminism? What because they have tits? The pussy riot case is all about the right to protest, offend! and free speech, something benson marcotte and the rest of the fftb fuckwits oppose.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby cunt » Fri Aug 17, 2012 3:25 pm  •  [Post 7070]

hyperdeath says:
August 17, 2012 at 3:14 pm
hannanibal doesn’t seem to have grasped the fact that a burning sense of indignation is not a sufficient basis for a case.


Oh the fucking irony.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Gumby » Fri Aug 17, 2012 3:28 pm  •  [Post 7071]

cunt wrote:
hyperdeath says:
August 17, 2012 at 3:14 pm
hannanibal doesn’t seem to have grasped the fact that a burning sense of indignation is not a sufficient basis for a case.


Oh the fucking irony.


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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby cunt » Fri Aug 17, 2012 3:37 pm  •  [Post 7072]

Here's a bit of intellectualism courtesy of Stephanie Zwan

there’s a reason people almost never file counter-notices unless advised to by an attorney. You don’t have to just be sincere in thinking you have the right to use the image. You have to be right.


She actually thinks that you will be done for perjury if it the court decides against you.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby John Greg » Fri Aug 17, 2012 3:37 pm  •  [Post 7073]

LOL: Ophelia says "Virulent is name calling".

HAHAHAHAHA Stupid idiot.

"It's an exceptionally nasty and tendentious word"

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby cunt » Fri Aug 17, 2012 3:37 pm  •  [Post 7074]

Gumby wrote:
cunt wrote:
hyperdeath says:
August 17, 2012 at 3:14 pm
hannanibal doesn’t seem to have grasped the fact that a burning sense of indignation is not a sufficient basis for a case.


Oh the fucking irony.


FTBers are so self-unaware it's funny. Mirrors do not exist in their hermetically-sealed little world.


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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Dilurk » Fri Aug 17, 2012 3:38 pm  •  [Post 7075]

Steersman wrote:
Notung wrote:Ok - uncharitable reading of Kazez, but you could say what I said in response to her real comment as well. Why the instinctive gag?


Assuming that that was more or less directed at me, I might point to something in that article:

Elevator-gate made me see the atheist-crowd in a new light. I realized there wasn't just a possible tone problem in the atheosphere, but there were a lot of problems. For one, there are a lot of misogynistic loons. They say amazingly absurd and revolting things, and there are some fairly respectable people who give these people safe harbour. For another, there are people on the respectable feminist side who simplistically [use, champion] "us-them" situations, sweeping complexities under the rug. There's no way for me to position myself with respect to this mess, because I'm against the misogynistic loons, but also against the simplifications of the supposedly feminist side. So--STAY AWAY!


So presumably her “instinctive gag” was based on a conflation of “misogynistic loons” with “Men’s Rights Activists”. Maybe a case of some problematic categorical thinking which, one might think, should be the last thing a philosopher should be guilty of.

It's called framing the discussion/debate/issue. Some Feminists are attempting to shut down MRAs by framing them all as 'misogynistic loons' as she puts it. Or they are all PUAs. Or they are all slimey and they all meet in the slimepit. It's a political tool of propaganda.

Although I note that she forthrightly identified the problem of:

... people on the respectable [quote, unquote] feminist side who simplistically [use, champion] "us-them" situations, sweeping complexities under the rug.


Which probably didn’t win her many friends on the Skepchick and FTB side of the fence ....


Personally I am not a fan of either Feminism or MRAism extremes. )I'm still that crazy Quixotic idealist) I've seen abuses of both misandry and misogyny, and as I have said before, extremes suck. Simplistic us-them situations suck. I read both feminist and mens rights blogs to try to get a more balanced view.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Notung » Fri Aug 17, 2012 3:40 pm  •  [Post 7076]

http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/24709594

Joe Rogan vs. Jamie Kilstein (I think he's mates with RW) on Daniel Tosh and rape jokes. Start from 1:44:21 for the best bit (so I'm told).
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby AndrewV69 » Fri Aug 17, 2012 3:41 pm  •  [Post 7077]

Steersman wrote:
bhoytony wrote:
decius wrote:
Steersman is a pompous windbag and a cunt.


Amen


Ah, I’m cut to the quick. Ask of me tomorrow and you will find me a grave man ....


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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Dilurk » Fri Aug 17, 2012 3:54 pm  •  [Post 7078]

AndrewV69 wrote:
Steersman wrote:
bhoytony wrote:
decius wrote:
Steersman is a pompous windbag and a cunt.


Amen


Ah, I’m cut to the quick. Ask of me tomorrow and you will find me a grave man ....


No, ’tis not so deep as a well nor so wide as a church-door, but ’tis enough, ’twill serve?


As I said act 3 scene 1. For the rest who want to follow along from Romeo and Juliet. There is a local Shakespearean group that does great send ups of his plays. Y'all know I am in Ottawa anyway. A company of fools
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Steersman » Fri Aug 17, 2012 3:57 pm  •  [Post 7079]

AndrewV69 wrote:
Steersman wrote:
bhoytony wrote:
decius wrote:
Steersman is a pompous windbag and a cunt.


Amen


Ah, I’m cut to the quick. Ask of me tomorrow and you will find me a grave man ....


No, ’tis not so deep as a well nor so wide as a church-door, but ’tis enough, ’twill serve?


That’s the one. :-) Act 3, Scene 1, Dilurk has informed me ....

Though maybe I shouldn’t use smilies .... but then again, as franc has followed MKG who has followed the Three Monkeys who have all put their heads in the sand – figuratively speaking, what they don’t know won’t hurt them, right? ;-)
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Steersman » Fri Aug 17, 2012 4:02 pm  •  [Post 7080]

Dilurk wrote:....
Steersman wrote:Although I note that she forthrightly identified the problem of:

... people on the respectable [quote, unquote] feminist side who simplistically [use, champion] "us-them" situations, sweeping complexities under the rug.


Which probably didn’t win her many friends on the Skepchick and FTB side of the fence ....


Personally I am not a fan of either Feminism or MRAism extremes. )I'm still that crazy Quixotic idealist) I've seen abuses of both misandry and misogyny, and as I have said before, extremes suck. Simplistic us-them situations suck. I read both feminist and mens rights blogs to try to get a more balanced view.


A very sensible philosophy ....
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Dilurk » Fri Aug 17, 2012 4:05 pm  •  [Post 7081]

Notung wrote:Having just defended MRAs (sort of):

justinvacula wrote:...I am working on a guest post for AVoiceForMen...


Er... is that a good idea?


s/AVoiceForMen/some feminist site/

Would you say the same thing?
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby AndrewV69 » Fri Aug 17, 2012 4:07 pm  •  [Post 7082]

Notung wrote:Yes, I think she's mainly on 'our side' but disagrees with a lot of the stuff that is also on 'our side'. That could apply to other people too - for instance Russell Blackford doesn't like a certain 'c' word and D4M10N agrees with RW on elevatorgate...

I think I'm a similar case. Sometimes I see things on Twitter from 'our side' that make me shake my head.


This reminds me of Elevatorgate. I went over to baboonland to see what the fuss was all about and some of the "MRA" comments had me going:

WTF? Where did these people come from? Since then I have done some research and my current working hypothesis is that they are not really "MRAs" but mainly victims of institutionalized misandry in schools and institutions.

Something I was not aware of previously.

Apparently, what the radfems and their ilk have apparently indirectly created, is steady stream of misogynists over the last two generations with no sign that it is going to stop any time soon.

That is going to have some serious repercussions over the coming years. If the FfTBullies think that misogynists are everywhere now, just wait. Because if my understanding of the demographic situation is correct, 40 years from now they are going to be living in a nightmare.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Badger3k » Fri Aug 17, 2012 4:21 pm  •  [Post 7083]

Za-zen wrote:Marcotte is a fuckwit.

What has the pussy riot case got to do with feminism? What because they have tits? The pussy riot case is all about the right to protest, offend! and free speech, something benson marcotte and the rest of the fftb fuckwits oppose.


In answer to the first question, yes. That's exactly it. I recently saw Blackford make a post about that Aan fellow - the atheist jailed in Indonesia. Apparently they couldn't get the 25,000 signatures needed to get the white house to (maybe) try to do something about him. I commented there and wondered if the harassment/MRA/t-shirt/DMCA etc bit distracted people. Going by what I remember in my RSS feed, I saw way more posts on the latter than the former. I also wonder (now) if someone will try the same thing with them, and how well will it be promoted?

Yeah, it is a free speech issue, and their sex has nothing to do with it. It's reprehensible no matter who it happens to. I did see somewhere in my feed someone complaining about calling the people called out by Pussy Riot "victims", although I think the term is technically correct (perhaps "targets" might be better, though). Victim does not imply innocence.

Marcotte - double yeah on that call.

Finally, should we start calling her Nanny "Virulent" Pheelie, to give her something else to obsess about? :lol:
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Tigzy » Fri Aug 17, 2012 4:21 pm  •  [Post 7084]

Heehee - Stefunny is now finding that the Vacula-Amy-DMCA thing isn't as clear-cut as she thought (this comment, and those below): http://freethoughtblogs.com/almostdiamonds/2012/08/17/it-isnt-enough-to-feel-righteous/#comment-109738
"It should be noted that among the more alarming tendencies of those men who participate in train-spotters' groups, one will also find a complete disinclination to discuss feminism or women's issues."

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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Steersman » Fri Aug 17, 2012 4:22 pm  •  [Post 7085]

CommanderTuvok wrote:Have any of you guys seens this insanity on Twitter. It ends with Opheliar saying linking the term "virulent" with "feminism" (even a certain type of feminism as specified) is "misogynist.

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Amazing. According to the attachment, Ophelia Benson apparently said this:

Ophelia Benson wrote:Connecting the word “feminism” with the word “virulent” ... is misogyny.


I guess she must think that since all women sit at the right hand side of God Herself, the only crime they can possibly be guilty of, as individuals or as groups, is an excess of niceness and spiceness.

But as I don’t have a Twitter account and have been banned at Ophelia’s Place, someone might want to ask her where Valerie Solanas fits in her understanding of the apparently monolithic and homogenous entity known as feminism:

Solanas wrote:”Life" in this "society" being, at best, an utter bore and no aspect of "society" being at all relevant to women, there remains to civic-minded, responsible, thrill-seeking females only to overthrow the government, eliminate the money system, institute complete automation and eliminate the male sex.
—Valerie Solanas, SCUM Manifesto


And whether or not that might not qualify as an example of “virulent feminism”, if at the extreme end .....
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Badger3k » Fri Aug 17, 2012 4:25 pm  •  [Post 7086]

AndrewV69 wrote:
Notung wrote:Yes, I think she's mainly on 'our side' but disagrees with a lot of the stuff that is also on 'our side'. That could apply to other people too - for instance Russell Blackford doesn't like a certain 'c' word and D4M10N agrees with RW on elevatorgate...

I think I'm a similar case. Sometimes I see things on Twitter from 'our side' that make me shake my head.


This reminds me of Elevatorgate. I went over to baboonland to see what the fuss was all about and some of the "MRA" comments had me going:

WTF? Where did these people come from? Since then I have done some research and my current working hypothesis is that they are not really "MRAs" but mainly victims of institutionalized misandry in schools and institutions.

Something I was not aware of previously.

Apparently, what the radfems and their ilk have apparently indirectly created, is steady stream of misogynists over the last two generations with no sign that it is going to stop any time soon.

That is going to have some serious repercussions over the coming years. If the FfTBullies think that misogynists are everywhere now, just wait. Because if my understanding of the demographic situation is correct, 40 years from now they are going to be living in a nightmare.


Misogynists are the new "red scare" and "satanic panic". I think I had a few misogynists in my neighborhood, but I ratted them out to the Sisterhood, and they burned their homes and families alive. I got a cookie. I did good, right? :liar:

(Actually, that reminded me of the programs in Judge Dredd that have the kids as informers - taken from real life, no doubt. The movie looks interesting, too. /end derail)
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Badger3k » Fri Aug 17, 2012 4:28 pm  •  [Post 7087]

Steersman wrote:
CommanderTuvok wrote:Have any of you guys seens this insanity on Twitter. It ends with Opheliar saying linking the term "virulent" with "feminism" (even a certain type of feminism as specified) is "misogynist.

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Amazing. According to the attachment, Ophelia Benson apparently said this:

Ophelia Benson wrote:Connecting the word “feminism” with the word “virulent” ... is misogyny.


I guess she must think that since all women sit at the right hand side of God Herself, the only crime they can possibly be guilty of, as individuals or as groups, is an excess of niceness and spiceness.

But as I don’t have a Twitter account and have been banned at Ophelia’s Place, someone might want to ask her where Valerie Solanas fits in her understanding of the apparently monolithic and homogenous entity known as feminism:

Solanas wrote:”Life" in this "society" being, at best, an utter bore and no aspect of "society" being at all relevant to women, there remains to civic-minded, responsible, thrill-seeking females only to overthrow the government, eliminate the money system, institute complete automation and eliminate the male sex.
—Valerie Solanas, SCUM Manifesto


And whether or not that might not qualify as an example of “virulent feminism”, if at the extreme end .....


I'd suspect that she would either say that "she wasn't a feminist", "she was/is crazy", or something like that. I'd be extremely surprised to see her disavow such things in any meaningful way. Maybe she'd call them "gender traitors who are only doing it to get laid with the menz" (gotta be some real parallel logic in that derail of a train of thought). :lol:
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Tigzy » Fri Aug 17, 2012 4:31 pm  •  [Post 7088]

Oh blimey, I thought I smellled cabbage (re: Steffy's thread about the Vacula-Amy-DMCA thing): http://freethoughtblogs.com/almostdiamonds/2012/08/17/it-isnt-enough-to-feel-righteous/#comment-109761

Apparently, Justin's been undertaking a 'prolonged, irrational, vitriolic campaign of unwarranted anti-feminist harassment of Surly Amy'. Apparently.
"It should be noted that among the more alarming tendencies of those men who participate in train-spotters' groups, one will also find a complete disinclination to discuss feminism or women's issues."

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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Notung » Fri Aug 17, 2012 4:32 pm  •  [Post 7089]

Ophelia Benson wrote:Connecting the word “feminism” with the word “virulent” ... is misogyny.


Of course. Just like connecting the word "Yes" with "but".
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Notung » Fri Aug 17, 2012 4:34 pm  •  [Post 7090]

Dilurk wrote:s/AVoiceForMen/some feminist site/

Would you say the same thing?


You mean would I say the same thing if it was a guest post on a feminist site? No, I wouldn't. It wouldn't be a risk for his reputation, and couldn't be used against him. IMO.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Za-zen » Fri Aug 17, 2012 4:39 pm  •  [Post 7091]

Rogan totally destroyed Jamie.

Jamie didn't have a fucking argument, he built straw and attempted to conflate, stumbled and fell as joe called him on it, and all he was left with was his appeal to emotion. He all but said "i've bought into feminist dogma, and i don't have a valid argument".
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby BarnOwl » Fri Aug 17, 2012 4:44 pm  •  [Post 7092]

Tigzy wrote:Heehee - Stefunny is now finding that the Vacula-Amy-DMCA thing isn't as clear-cut as she thought (this comment, and those below): http://freethoughtblogs.com/almostdiamonds/2012/08/17/it-isnt-enough-to-feel-righteous/#comment-109738


Hilarious! Of course she'll cling stubbornly to her beliefs about fair use, like a religious person clinging to superstitions.

Honestly, the amount of internet righteous indignation that's been expended on self-involved Surly Amy and her perpetual butthurt is enough to choke the ghosts of all the aurochs that ever walked this planet.

You know how the FTBers are always whingeing about how much good could be accomplished with the time and effort spent criticizing them? Yeah, don't get me started.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby ERV » Fri Aug 17, 2012 4:46 pm  •  [Post 7093]

Notung wrote:
Ophelia Benson wrote:Connecting the word “feminism” with the word “virulent” ... is misogyny.


Of course. Just like connecting the word "Yes" with "but".


Virology is a kind of science. Science is misogyny (according to Pamela Gay). So viruses are misogynistic.

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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Steersman » Fri Aug 17, 2012 4:50 pm  •  [Post 7094]

AndrewV69 wrote:
Notung wrote:Yes, I think she's mainly on 'our side' but disagrees with a lot of the stuff that is also on 'our side'. That could apply to other people too - for instance Russell Blackford doesn't like a certain 'c' word and D4M10N agrees with RW on elevatorgate...

I think I'm a similar case. Sometimes I see things on Twitter from 'our side' that make me shake my head.

...
Apparently, what the radfems and their ilk have apparently indirectly created, is steady stream of misogynists over the last two generations with no sign that it is going to stop any time soon. ...


I was doing some reading on the divorce statistics and it seems like there are about 2 million marriages per year in the US and a divorce rate of about 40% so I estimate something close to 1 million men and 1 million women who join that cohort every year. And if the tales over at A Voice for Men are any indication, and even discounting the “sour grapes” brigade, I would say there are a significant number of men who, with varying degrees of justification, are seriously bent out of shape over being shafted by a feminist bias in the divorce courts. Not likely to bode well for the goals of feminism. And, more problematically, for those of humanism ....
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby cunt » Fri Aug 17, 2012 4:54 pm  •  [Post 7095]

Stephanie Zvan is here to lecture on the finer points of the american legal system. I know what you're thinking "who the fuck is Stephanie Zvan" As it turns out she is a freethoughtblogger who knows much about laws and shit. How? Well...

As someone married to a photographer, and as a blogger who occasionally uses images in her work...
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Badger3k » Fri Aug 17, 2012 4:56 pm  •  [Post 7096]

BarnOwl wrote:
Tigzy wrote:Heehee - Stefunny is now finding that the Vacula-Amy-DMCA thing isn't as clear-cut as she thought (this comment, and those below): http://freethoughtblogs.com/almostdiamonds/2012/08/17/it-isnt-enough-to-feel-righteous/#comment-109738


Hilarious! Of course she'll cling stubbornly to her beliefs about fair use, like a religious person clinging to superstitions.

Honestly, the amount of internet righteous indignation that's been expended on self-involved Surly Amy and her perpetual butthurt is enough to choke the ghosts of all the aurochs that ever walked this planet.

You know how the FTBers are always whingeing about how much good could be accomplished with the time and effort spent criticizing them? Yeah, don't get me started.


Then you have this one from (guess who - no fair peeking!)
Jason Thibeault says:
August 17, 2012 at 5:18 pm
Giliell@10: I think she might not actually have a choice in the matter — she has copyrighted works that she needs to defend under the States’ current (and odious!) intellectual property regime. I think if she filed the DMCA over misuse of her copyrighted works without permission, and they claim that their burning indignation alone grants them fair use, then she HAS to fight. Like, no choice in the matter.


Yep, Surly had no choice but to issue a DMCA complaint. She really didn't want to do it, but the intellectual property regime (how do we join, I hear they have great coffee and danish socials) forced her to.

WTF planet do these twerps live on again?
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby ERV » Fri Aug 17, 2012 4:56 pm  •  [Post 7097]

Steersman wrote:I was doing some reading on the divorce statistics and it seems like there are about 2 million marriages per year in the US and a divorce rate of about 40% so I estimate something close to 1 million men and 1 million women who join that cohort every year. And if the tales over at A Voice for Men are any indication, and even discounting the “sour grapes” brigade, I would say there are a significant number of men who, with varying degrees of justification, are seriously bent out of shape over being shafted by a feminist bias in the divorce courts. Not likely to bode well for the goals of feminism. And, more problematically, for those of humanism ....


The Simpsons, S22E22, 'The Ned-Liest Catch':
Bart: If theres anything fairy tales have taught us is that first wives are perfect and second wives are horrible.

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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Tigzy » Fri Aug 17, 2012 4:59 pm  •  [Post 7098]

cunt wrote:Stephanie Zvan is here to lecture on the finer points of the american legal system. I know what you're thinking "who the fuck is Stephanie Zvan" As it turns out she is a freethoughtblogger who knows much about laws and shit. How? Well...

As someone married to a photographer, and as a blogger who occasionally uses images in her work...


:lol:

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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby BarnOwl » Fri Aug 17, 2012 5:08 pm  •  [Post 7099]

Baby-melting acrylic yarn soakers and the internet faked deaths of indie yarn dyers/knitting workshop organizers are the only topics on Ravelry that generate as much drama and misinformation as does copywrong.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Phil_Giordana_FCD » Fri Aug 17, 2012 5:11 pm  •  [Post 7100]

Under the fair use doctrine of the U.S. copyright statute, it is permissible to use limited portions of a work including quotes, for purposes such as commentary, criticism, news reporting, and scholarly reports. There are no legal rules permitting the use of a specific number of words, a certain number of musical notes, or percentage of a work. Whether a particular use qualifies as fair use depends on all the circumstances. See FL 102, Fair Use, and Circular 21, Reproductions of Copyrighted Works by Educators and Librarians.


http://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-fairuse.html
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby The Pelagic Argosy » Fri Aug 17, 2012 5:13 pm  •  [Post 7101]

Tigzy wrote:
cunt wrote:Stephanie Zvan is here to lecture on the finer points of the american legal system. I know what you're thinking "who the fuck is Stephanie Zvan" As it turns out she is a freethoughtblogger who knows much about laws and shit. How? Well...

As someone married to a photographer, and as a blogger who occasionally uses images in her work...


:lol:

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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Za-zen » Fri Aug 17, 2012 5:14 pm  •  [Post 7102]

Holy fuck, i just finished watching the whole vid, and i'm revising ehat i think of it.

Rogan fucking ate him alive, i mean while, and then soat out his clothes. Jamie was empty, and it's a great demonstration of a feminist empty head who has nothing but their dogma.

My favourite bit was after rogan demolished his arguments, with jamie acknowledging his points, jamie said "yeah well we disagree" and rogan tore into him, what the fuck do you disagree about, you just spent the whole fucking time agreeing with me.

It's infuriating dealing with these woo heads, in the same way you soend ages knocking a fucking xtians nonsense out of the ball park, only to find out that the is nothing you could habe done to show them what they believe is bullshit, because they want to believe and so they are convinced of the truth of their belief


Ahhhhh fuckwits!
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Steersman » Fri Aug 17, 2012 5:17 pm  •  [Post 7103]

Notung wrote:
Ophelia Benson wrote:Connecting the word “feminism” with the word “virulent” ... is misogyny.


Of course. Just like connecting the word "Yes" with "but".


Which is, of course, sufficient reason to discount anything that might come after that, to put one’s head in the sand on the off chance that it might actually oblige one to give some consideration to the argument presented.

Really rather remarkable how far Greta Christina ran with that ball and how many people dutifully followed along behind her.

Parallel logic, indeed ....
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby The Pelagic Argosy » Fri Aug 17, 2012 5:18 pm  •  [Post 7104]

Oops, only partially successful. "I am reminded..." and the image appears to be cut off. It can be seen in its entirety (in Firefux at least) by right clicking and selecting "View Image".
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Tigzy » Fri Aug 17, 2012 5:22 pm  •  [Post 7105]

I do hope Becky-Boos takes this to heart, and makes an ass of herself should she ever repeat it (as per her Galileo mishap): https://twitter.com/AndrewHolding/status/236593758853013504

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@rebeccawatson @Hayleystevens Well just remember anyone who’s British openly doesn’t have freedom of speech, despite what many think/claim.


British citizens are covered by the European Convention on Human Rights which states that everyone has the right to freedom of expression. But don't take my word for it, Becky. Please, honestly - don't!
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Steersman » Fri Aug 17, 2012 5:23 pm  •  [Post 7106]

ERV wrote:
Steersman wrote:I was doing some reading on the divorce statistics and it seems like there are about 2 million marriages per year in the US and a divorce rate of about 40% so I estimate something close to 1 million men and 1 million women who join that cohort every year. And if the tales over at A Voice for Men are any indication, and even discounting the “sour grapes” brigade, I would say there are a significant number of men who, with varying degrees of justification, are seriously bent out of shape over being shafted by a feminist bias in the divorce courts. Not likely to bode well for the goals of feminism. And, more problematically, for those of humanism ....


The Simpsons, S22E22, 'The Ned-Liest Catch':
Bart: If theres anything fairy tales have taught us is that first wives are perfect and second wives are horrible.

Homer: The exact opposite of real life.


Quite possibly the source for the aphorism that while love is blind, marriage can be a real eye-opener .... :-)
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Phil_Giordana_FCD » Fri Aug 17, 2012 5:31 pm  •  [Post 7107]

Tigzy wrote:I do hope Becky-Boos takes this to heart, and makes an ass of herself should she ever repeat it (as per her Galileo mishap): https://twitter.com/AndrewHolding/status/236593758853013504

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@rebeccawatson @Hayleystevens Well just remember anyone who’s British openly doesn’t have freedom of speech, despite what many think/claim.


British citizens are covered by the European Convention on Human Rights which states that everyone has the right to freedom of expression. But don't take my word for it, Becky. Please, honestly - don't!


To be fair, there are a few things we are not allowed to express in Europe, such as hate speech. Godwining this comment, in Germany it is verboten to show nazi insignas (which is a good thing, all considered). In France, certain talks about former colonies are also very verboten. Etc...
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Postby astrokid.nj » Fri Aug 17, 2012 5:33 pm  •  [Post 7108]

Luv your recent post about the nature of slimepit to steersman Sacha. For me, slimepit and greylining were the sole watering holes when I really had nowhere else to go last year. The leaders on "our side" clammed up, and even with all the exposes of late, I doubt that its gonna get a lot better. The recent stream of leaders from activist-organizations responding to Bitchy Aimee with stop-harassment-of-women writeups doesnt bode well.
Interestingly Sacha.. your description of the slimepit fits to a tee what MRA spaces do for "pretty-aware" men. GWW said in that 'angry misogynists' vid.. our experience and knowledge of the gender-world is very far from the mainstream. Thus we wont make much sense to mainstream.. just as the slimepit didnt make sense to the baboons or other "we-are-better-than-them-misogynists" sides.

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"There is also the question as to why sycophants latch onto certain kinds of women, those who display helplessness, distress, a never ending list of demands for appeasement, general mental immaturity.

The question is why do men put up with it? The type of men I'm attracted to, are those that would never.
I don't understand the draw, it has to be more than pussy, these are women that the men marry. Then they really have to put up with it, and they are not even getting laid. I am always amazed at just how many men resign themselves to a life with a demanding bitch, who constantly emasculate them. It is the majority of relationship dynamics. I have no patience for either of them.

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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby sacha » Fri Aug 17, 2012 5:34 pm  •  [Post 7109]

Steersman wrote:
Pretty hard to “get the flow of events” when one doesn’t have access to her “twitter feed” and how the time-stamps therein relate to the posts on Thunderfoot’s blog. You, perchance, have that to back up your argument?

And I note that you never did provide me a timestamp for the Twitter post in the Pharwrongula page when I asked for it sometime back ...


Why can't you go on Twitter and get the information you want? If you are blocked, log out, and go to Google, type in Sally Strange Twitter and get access to her account. What is so difficult?
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Tigzy » Fri Aug 17, 2012 5:40 pm  •  [Post 7110]

Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:To be fair, there are a few things we are not allowed to express in Europe, such as hate speech. Godwining this comment, in Germany it is verboten to show nazi insignas (which is a good thing, all considered). In France, certain talks about former colonies are also very verboten. Etc...


In the UK, there are provisions against hate speech, which fall under the umbrella of public order offences. On the face of it, it initially seems quite restrictive (from the cesspit):

(1) A person is guilty of an offence if, with intent to cause a person harassment, alarm or distress, he— (a) uses threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour, or disorderly behaviour, or (b) displays any writing, sign or other visible representation which is threatening, abusive or insulting, thereby causing that or another person harassment, alarm or distress.


However, there is an amendment to this:

Nothing in this Part shall be read or given effect in a way which prohibits or restricts discussion, criticism or expressions of antipathy, dislike, ridicule, insult or abuse of particular religions or the beliefs or practices of their adherents, or of any other belief system or the beliefs or practices of its adherents, or proselytising or urging adherents of a different religion or belief system to cease practising their religion or belief system.


So what might be classified as hate speech does not necessarily involve honest criticisms; hence freedom of speech is protected - though as these statutes suggest, it will often be a court which has to decide if an expression is actually hate speech or an honest criticism.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Steersman » Fri Aug 17, 2012 5:54 pm  •  [Post 7111]

sacha wrote:
Steersman wrote:
Pretty hard to “get the flow of events” when one doesn’t have access to her “twitter feed” and how the time-stamps therein relate to the posts on Thunderfoot’s blog. You, perchance, have that to back up your argument?

And I note that you never did provide me a timestamp for the Twitter post in the Pharwrongula page when I asked for it sometime back ...


Why can't you go on Twitter and get the information you want? If you are blocked, log out, and go to Google, type in Sally Strange Twitter and get access to her account. What is so difficult?


Doesn’t seem difficult at all (thanks) – now that you have explained that that is a possibility. But I simply did not know that that was the case. You, and franc and many others here, seem not to realize that what seems a piece of cake to you is anything but that to other people who aren’t familiar with the arcana that might be second nature to you.

You might want to take a look at the Aesop fable about the fox and the stork – in spite of being an illustration of “privilege”, it is not less cogent ....
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Phil_Giordana_FCD » Fri Aug 17, 2012 5:59 pm  •  [Post 7112]

Steersman wrote:
sacha wrote:
Steersman wrote:
Pretty hard to “get the flow of events” when one doesn’t have access to her “twitter feed” and how the time-stamps therein relate to the posts on Thunderfoot’s blog. You, perchance, have that to back up your argument?

And I note that you never did provide me a timestamp for the Twitter post in the Pharwrongula page when I asked for it sometime back ...


Why can't you go on Twitter and get the information you want? If you are blocked, log out, and go to Google, type in Sally Strange Twitter and get access to her account. What is so difficult?


Doesn’t seem difficult at all (thanks) – now that you have explained that that is a possibility. But I simply did not know that that was the case. You, and franc and many others here, seem not to realize that what seems a piece of cake to you is anything but that to other people who aren’t familiar with the arcana that might be second nature to you.

You might want to take a look at the Aesop fable about the fox and the stork – in spite of being an illustration of “privilege”, it is not less cogent ....


Well, yeah, I would cut Steersman some slack here. Not all of us are internet savvy. That Aesop line was a bit off, though.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Notung » Fri Aug 17, 2012 6:08 pm  •  [Post 7113]

Tigzy wrote:I do hope Becky-Boos takes this to heart, and makes an ass of herself should she ever repeat it (as per her Galileo mishap): https://twitter.com/AndrewHolding/status/236593758853013504

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@rebeccawatson @Hayleystevens Well just remember anyone who’s British openly doesn’t have freedom of speech, despite what many think/claim.


British citizens are covered by the European Convention on Human Rights which states that everyone has the right to freedom of expression. But don't take my word for it, Becky. Please, honestly - don't!


We don't have free speech here. Not like you do in the US anyway. For example, not long ago, a guy got arrested for being racist on Twitter. He got 56 days in prison. We're restricted by hate speech laws.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Steersman » Fri Aug 17, 2012 6:13 pm  •  [Post 7114]

Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:
Steersman wrote:
sacha wrote:
Steersman wrote:
Pretty hard to “get the flow of events” when one doesn’t have access to her “twitter feed” and how the time-stamps therein relate to the posts on Thunderfoot’s blog. You, perchance, have that to back up your argument?

And I note that you never did provide me a timestamp for the Twitter post in the Pharwrongula page when I asked for it sometime back ...


Why can't you go on Twitter and get the information you want? If you are blocked, log out, and go to Google, type in Sally Strange Twitter and get access to her account. What is so difficult?


Doesn’t seem difficult at all (thanks) – now that you have explained that that is a possibility. But I simply did not know that that was the case. You, and franc and many others here, seem not to realize that what seems a piece of cake to you is anything but that to other people who aren’t familiar with the arcana that might be second nature to you.

You might want to take a look at the Aesop fable about the fox and the stork – in spite of being an illustration of “privilege”, it is not less cogent ....


Well, yeah, I would cut Steersman some slack here. Not all of us are internet savvy. That Aesop line was a bit off, though.


The "Aesop line" - could use some work? The right ball-park? I thought it might have been a little wide of the mark, but I figured that if people squinted a little, then maybe of some relevance, at least in a generalizing sense ....
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Phil_Giordana_FCD » Fri Aug 17, 2012 6:19 pm  •  [Post 7115]

I just don't know how this "Aesop" (like that's a real name) who stole all of La Fontaine's work come into play!

Can you see it's past 2 am yet?

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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Tigzy » Fri Aug 17, 2012 6:19 pm  •  [Post 7116]

Notung wrote:
Tigzy wrote:I do hope Becky-Boos takes this to heart, and makes an ass of herself should she ever repeat it (as per her Galileo mishap): https://twitter.com/AndrewHolding/status/236593758853013504

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@rebeccawatson @Hayleystevens Well just remember anyone who’s British openly doesn’t have freedom of speech, despite what many think/claim.


British citizens are covered by the European Convention on Human Rights which states that everyone has the right to freedom of expression. But don't take my word for it, Becky. Please, honestly - don't!


We don't have free speech here. Not like you do in the US anyway. For example, not long ago, a guy got arrested for being racist on Twitter. He got 56 days in prison. We're restricted by hate speech laws.


So? There are restrictions to freedom of speech in the US, too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_exceptions
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Steersman » Fri Aug 17, 2012 6:23 pm  •  [Post 7117]

Za-zen wrote:Holy fuck, i just finished watching the whole vid, and i'm revising ehat i think of it.

Rogan fucking ate him alive, i mean while, and then soat out his clothes. Jamie was empty, and it's a great demonstration of a feminist empty head who has nothing but their dogma.

My favourite bit was after rogan demolished his arguments, with jamie acknowledging his points, jamie said "yeah well we disagree" and rogan tore into him, what the fuck do you disagree about, you just spent the whole fucking time agreeing with me.

It's infuriating dealing with these woo heads, in the same way you soend ages knocking a fucking xtians nonsense out of the ball park, only to find out that the is nothing you could habe done to show them what they believe is bullshit, because they want to believe and so they are convinced of the truth of their belief


Ahhhhh fuckwits!


A-fucking-men to that - about the Christians, particularly fundamentalists ... programmed minds addled by nonsense. Reminds me of this bit of zoology:

Even apparently sophisticated and intelligent sequences of behaviour can turn out, on closer investigation, to be surprisingly rigid. There is the well-known example of the Sphex wasp who leaves a paralyzed cricket in a burrow with her eggs so that her offspring will have something to feed on when they hatch. When she captures a cricket, she drags it to the entrance of the burrow, then leaves it outside for a moment when she enters, seemingly to check for intruders. However, if an interfering experimenter moves the cricket back a few inches while the wasp is inside, she repeats the sequence: dragging the insect to the burrow’s entrance, then entering once more alone. And this sequence can be made to “loop” indefinitely many times over. [The Architecture of the Mind; Peter Carruthers; web review]


But you might be interested in this article by Massimo Pigliucci on The limits of reasonable discourse. There’s a nice graphic showing a “fitness landscape” with several peaks in it such that a narrow-focus search for them could wind up with several different sub-optimal “solutions” depending on slight differences in starting points. His argument:

Massimo Pigliucci wrote:Consider the hypothetical landscape in the figure accompanying this post. That particular graph is meant to illustrate the idea of multiple adaptive peaks in genotypic space, with natural selection pushing a population of organisms up the closest available peak (high fitness) and away from any valley (low fitness). Similar situations occur in computer science, mathematics, economics, and — I maintain — in rational discourse more generally.

Think of every peak as a particular, viable solution to whatever the problem happens to be (survival in a given environment, efficiency of a computational algorithm, or the search for a good political or ethical system). In the graphic example above, there are three peaks: one is taller, the other two are of about equal height. The taller peak represents the optimal solution across the landscape, while the other two stand for suboptimal but viable solutions. If we were talking about politics or ethics, this would correspond to saying that one political or ethical system is in fact “best” (under whatever criteria one is using) and therefore rational, while two more are also rational, but not quite as good. So reasonable people could make an argument for one or the other, or the third, of the proposed solutions, particularly when practical considerations may exclude, or make less likely, the implementation of the optimal solution represented by the highest peak.


I think, as he suggests, we all start from quite reasonable premises and hypotheses and argue, quite “reasonably” and “logically”, to different “peaks”, different “truths”, and fail to realize that most people have done the same: we have seen the enemy and he is us. Or, maybe, east is east and west is west ....
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby DW Adams » Fri Aug 17, 2012 6:27 pm  •  [Post 7118]

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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Steersman » Fri Aug 17, 2012 6:31 pm  •  [Post 7119]

Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:I just don't know how this "Aesop" (like that's a real name) who stole all of La Fontaine's work come into play!

Can you see it's past 2 am yet?

:D


Learn something new everyday:

The Fables of Jean de La Fontaine were issued in several volumes from 1668 to 1694. They are classics of French literature.


“Learn like you were going to live forever; live like you were going to die tomorrow”

Gotta take a break .... get some sunshine (West [wet] Coast of Canada), smell the roses, have a beer .... :-)
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Tigzy » Fri Aug 17, 2012 6:32 pm  •  [Post 7120]



Pac-Man is a very recognizable icon. I'm sure Namco watches for any unauthorized use of its characters very closely. Using the above information, would anyone care to opine as to the legality of using these figures in a commercial venture without acquiring a license?


Namco Bandai are watching it now, that's for sure! *looks all innocent*

And they're not the only ones taking an interest in Amy's work, either. Erm...so I've been told. *halo doesn't slip one bit*
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Notung » Fri Aug 17, 2012 6:33 pm  •  [Post 7121]

Tigzy wrote:So? There are restrictions to freedom of speech in the US, too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_exceptions


Yeah, but nowhere near as many. A good illustration of this was with the Koran-burning incident. In the US they just asked him not to do it. In the UK (with nowhere near as much publicity) 6 people got arrested for it.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Lsuoma » Fri Aug 17, 2012 6:34 pm  •  [Post 7122]


Trigger warning next time, please, cunt!
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby bhoytony » Fri Aug 17, 2012 6:35 pm  •  [Post 7123]

Just been reading that post on Shitty Canuck about Scurvy Amy. I loved this by some idiot on there:

"My wife and I are committed to doing the majority of our Xmas shopping from the Surlyramics store."

Oh, I'd love to be sat round the table during that christmas dinner. Can you imagine everyone's face as they unwrap their blobs of clay. You'd need an Oscar winning performance to look convincingly pleased with those gifts. I bet the kids will be over the moon.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby DW Adams » Fri Aug 17, 2012 6:37 pm  •  [Post 7124]

Lsuoma wrote:

Trigger warning next time, please, cunt!


Triggers are for pussies. :lol:
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Tigzy » Fri Aug 17, 2012 6:42 pm  •  [Post 7125]

Tigzy wrote:


Pac-Man is a very recognizable icon. I'm sure Namco watches for any unauthorized use of its characters very closely. Using the above information, would anyone care to opine as to the legality of using these figures in a commercial venture without acquiring a license?


Namco Bandai are watching it now, that's for sure! *looks all innocent*

And they're not the only ones taking an interest in Amy's work, either. Erm...so I've been told. *halo doesn't slip one bit*


Also, you'll note on where Amy sells her Pac Man necklace -http://www.etsy.com/listing/99261745/i-aint-afraid-of-no-ghosts-ceramic-pac - she has this:

All jewelry designs and images shown are © Surly-Ramics™.


So according to her, the ghost designs from Pac Man are Amy's copyright.
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