If thou gazest long into the Pit, the Pit will also gaze into thee

Vintage (c. 1981) politically incorrect SCTV satire on feminist "consciousness raising" theater featuring Andrea Martin and Catherine O'Hara.

[youtube]Eg8EMWu6LCQ[/youtube]

Oneiros666 wrote:This may have been commented on earlier, but fuck it, I am drinking whisky and as such I become lazy:

What is the deal with these radical feminists all wearing these god-awful glasses? I mean, it's like they go out of their way in order to look as bitchy as possible..oh right.

Hensley:
http://i.imgur.com/aLG2D.png

Wiley:
http://i.imgur.com/DfY6M.png

Watson:
http://i.imgur.com/hHONw.png

La Pièce de résistance, Christina:
http://i.imgur.com/ptAzM.png

They're all fucking hipsters. It's not that hard to figure out.

tfoot wrote:okay, so its over 48 hrs since I put the video up, ~50k views and a 95 % approval rating,


Or are they saving it up for some devastating ad hominim 'we must drive TF out of the community like a pariah' type shit? FYI the last time they plotted as a group to do that... where they all conspired to release their blogs at the same time to be as devastating as possible, it resulted in me losing ~300 out of 150 000 subscribers. Wow, that blogging network is soooo powerfully influential!

There's only one thing that matters in this debate: Analytics. The advertisers know on a minute by minute basis whether FTB traffic is going up or down. This is why I've been avoiding the site since this shitstorm started.

Although I'm not a censor. They're free to publish their batshit rantings, I'm free not to read it. What you people do is your own business.

But if enough people dump the site, their profit declines. Note: Unless Freezepage can disable tagging, I'm not sure that's going to stop ad revenue.

From that link by RR84 to Greta's post:

[quote]And if anyone is still in any doubt about the campaign of harassment against feminist women on the Internet in general and in the atheosphere in particular…[quote]

If you're criticizing me, Ophe, RW, or BlackSvan, you're criticizing ALL feminist women...everywhere...throughout history. So guys, DDT (don't do that).

AchronTimeless wrote:

Mykeru wrote: Most important, in the long term, is when we can transition from being the opposition to a bunch of idiots to just doing an end run around them, show that they aren't the faces of the atheist and skeptical movement, rather they are a perversion of it. To do that, as Welch says, we have to offer something other than opposition.

Damn good point. The question is, how best to go about it?

Well, as someone who has sat in enough meetings to realize that most of the time formulating a plan is just a means for people to talk at each other until everyone loses the will to live, I don't have a "plan". I didn't have one when I came across this schism and started doing stuff.

Just do stuff.

Mirror of Thunderf00t's "Why 'Feminism' is poisoning atheism"

[youtube]bCY2Ng99WtY[/youtube]

franc wrote:

welch wrote:Aaaaaahahahahahahah

http://freethoughtblogs.com/almostdiamo ... -praise-2/

"I am on a vacation..."

From what? Dodging Japanese whaler harpoons?

She's on vacation from her vacation from reality, she went to imagination island

Is it out of line to request that people stop reposting those fucking mugshots? I'm about to hurk up my cheese sandwich.

cunt wrote:

Oneiros666 wrote:

cunt wrote:

Everyone should pay the same rate and imho this is fair as, again, 28 % of a million is more than 28 % of 100k.

Does everyone in Norway earn above 100k? Whats 28% out of the minimum wage?

Hi there :)

Um, no? Of course not everyone makes more than 100k. What's the point you are trying to make here? 28 % of 50k is less than 28 % of 100k. Again, I am for a flat tax rate.

We don't have minimum wage as the US does (you can, in theory, get paid 1 dollar a year, but the average income is about 75k dollars annually). We have lots of welfare support systems for those that have very limited income. Also, and I realise I should have pointed this out, there is a cut-off point at 'the bottom'. You can earn about 15k dollars tax-free before the 28 % kicks in.

So you can earn $16,000. The government takes out $280. Leaving you with $15720 or £9,722 in real money. The millionaire earner, gets $280,000 taken from their pay check, leaving them with a paltry $720,000 per year to play with.

The $280 for the poor sod low earner might be the difference between eating lunch on a thursday or not, while the $280,000 for the millionaire might mean they have to save up an extra year for that Bentley with the heated seats. Hey though, least it's fair.

28% of 16,000 is over 4,000. I don't know how you got 280.

AchronTimeless wrote:

Mykeru wrote: Most important, in the long term, is when we can transition from being the opposition to a bunch of idiots to just doing an end run around them, show that they aren't the faces of the atheist and skeptical movement, rather they are a perversion of it. To do that, as Welch says, we have to offer something other than opposition.

Damn good point. The question is, how best to go about it?

Satire is quite an effective messaging tool. Much like how Jon Stewart's The Daily Show and The Colbert Report rip a new one out of Fox News on a regular basis. The Slymepit already uses a lot of satire (Jan Steen's work, for instance). The use of satire can be used to thwart FTB/A+ memes, dogmas and newspeak.

It's interesting that FTB/A+ crowd seldom try to use satire against their critics. Sanctimonious Idealogies and political correctness don't mix well with humour, apparently.

Speaking of FTB memes, remember that bizarre A+ propaganda poster art showing women trying to charge up a hill, trying to block boulders thrown by misogynists at the top with umbrellas? If someone has the right artistic skills, I'd love to see a satirical re-framing of that poster. :P

Tkmlac wrote:28% of 16,000 is over 4,000. I don't know how you got 280.

$15,000 exemption.

cunt wrote:Brown has already done this.
http://derrenbrown.co.uk/claim-claim-2/

Cheers - that's a useful link.

Oh, it's already New Year here in the East. Happy New Year!

Stretchycheese wrote:

AchronTimeless wrote:

Mykeru wrote: Most important, in the long term, is when we can transition from being the opposition to a bunch of idiots to just doing an end run around them, show that they aren't the faces of the atheist and skeptical movement, rather they are a perversion of it. To do that, as Welch says, we have to offer something other than opposition.

Damn good point. The question is, how best to go about it?

Satire is quite an effective messaging tool. Much like how Jon Stewart's The Daily Show and The Colbert Report rip a new one out of Fox News on a regular basis. The Slymepit already uses a lot of satire (Jan Steen's work, for instance). The use of satire can be used to thwart FTB/A+ memes, dogmas and newspeak.

It's interesting that FTB/A+ crowd seldom try to use satire against their critics. Sanctimonious Idealogies and political correctness don't mix well with humour, apparently.

Speaking of FTB memes, remember that bizarre A+ propaganda poster art showing women trying to charge up a hill, trying to block boulders thrown by misogynists at the top with umbrellas? If someone has the right artistic skills, I'd love to see a satirical re-framing of that poster. :P

Hmm, I guess that's still a form of opposition. I guess the best I can say is use language such as "egalitarian" rather than "feminist".

Ok I need everyone to list your TOP 5 jerk-face, moron, fuck-wad,A+ idiots or FTB assholes for my end of the year list. No need to give reasons why and if you think that more than 1 can fit in as number 1, thats ok. I'm not sure the best way to tally it. List it here unless it gets messy I guess? Or if you cant risk posting it here then hit me up on FB (Reap Paden) Polls close at 11:59pm pst Jan 1

Mykeru wrote:

AchronTimeless wrote:

Mykeru wrote: Most important, in the long term, is when we can transition from being the opposition to a bunch of idiots to just doing an end run around them, show that they aren't the faces of the atheist and skeptical movement, rather they are a perversion of it. To do that, as Welch says, we have to offer something other than opposition.

Damn good point. The question is, how best to go about it?

Well, as someone who has sat in enough meetings to realize that most of the time formulating a plan is just a means for people to talk at each other until everyone loses the will to live, I don't have a "plan". I didn't have one when I came across this schism and started doing stuff.

Just do stuff.

If you want to see different people speaking, apply to speak. If you want to have different POVs when talking about what happened at a conf., go to that conference and talk about it. It's really not that difficult, nor does it require coordinated action. If you see something you want changed, take the steps to change it.

comslave wrote:

tfoot wrote:okay, so its over 48 hrs since I put the video up, ~50k views and a 95 % approval rating,


Or are they saving it up for some devastating ad hominim 'we must drive TF out of the community like a pariah' type shit? FYI the last time they plotted as a group to do that... where they all conspired to release their blogs at the same time to be as devastating as possible, it resulted in me losing ~300 out of 150 000 subscribers. Wow, that blogging network is soooo powerfully influential!

There's only one thing that matters in this debate: Analytics. The advertisers know on a minute by minute basis whether FTB traffic is going up or down. This is why I've been avoiding the site since this shitstorm started.

Although I'm not a censor. They're free to publish their batshit rantings, I'm free not to read it. What you people do is your own business.

But if enough people dump the site, their profit declines. Note: Unless Freezepage can disable tagging, I'm not sure that's going to stop ad revenue.

This. That is precisely the reason I never, ever knowingly click a link to an FtB page or anyone associated with them. I've removed all bookmarks and cleaned house. The pit has proven a far better place to keep an eye on them anyway. You guys seem to find all the meaty bits. :popcorn:

I got picked on mercilessly for being "four-eyes" and now these dumbasses wear glasses to look "cool." Shouldn't they put some trigger warning up after all the pain I was put through?

BAN WEARING FAKE JEWEL-I MEAN GLASSES AT CONFERENCES!!!

somedumbguy wrote:

justinvacula wrote:New post from Karla Porter:

http://karlaporter.com/relationship-man ... onferences

10 Thoughts on Inappropriate Sexual Behavior at Conferences

I am not sure who Karla Porter is, but she seems to know who Rebecca Watson and PZ Myers are.

http://i.imgur.com/6b1zd.jpg

Karla Porter on The Angry Atheist podcast She is cool

Tkmlac wrote:I got picked on mercilessly for being "four-eyes" and now these dumbasses wear glasses to look "cool." Shouldn't they put some trigger warning up after all the pain I was put through?

BAN WEARING FAKE JEWEL-I MEAN GLASSES AT CONFERENCES!!!

AARGH! I just had a flashback.

Just for that, I'm throwing in one more pallette cleanser before I go to work to keep the feminists away.

[youtube]SVgkNW2cENQ[/youtube]

Re: the spec stylings of the Social Justice Amazons:

I dunno, I guess the 'Olive from On The Buses' look must be the current trend with that crowd.

http://i1.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article ... es%22+1969

'Gaw Blimey Stan, I don't fancy yours much!'

Ape+lust wrote:

Mykeru wrote:Thing is, with the exception of Sasha Wiley-Shaw, I don't see a lot of distortion through the lens, so they are either really low correction non-prescription or just clear lens accessories like this:

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8072/8330 ... 5677_z.jpg

Fashionable nonsense.

Hensley needs them to keep the Kabuki lacquer affixed to her head.

Yeah, way to be Beauty2K compliant, and support the Cosmetic Industrial Complex, Melody.

Bet she gets her nails done at a salon, too. Way to oppress the underclass with toxic substances.

/sinus headache

/grumpy

Notung wrote:

cunt wrote:Brown has already done this.
http://derrenbrown.co.uk/claim-claim-2/

Cheers - that's a useful link.

Oh, it's already New Year here in the East. Happy New Year!

Happy new year mate. To be fair to Brown I think you should probably amend the post to reflect that he has gone to great efforts to criticise and debunk NLP. Which you'd have known if you'd read Tricks of the mind. It can probably wait till the 3rd though.

I might come over and fuck up some of your commenters but that can also wait for the 3rd.

comslave wrote:

Oneiros666 wrote:This may have been commented on earlier, but fuck it, I am drinking whisky and as such I become lazy:

What is the deal with these radical feminists all wearing these god-awful glasses? I mean, it's like they go out of their way in order to look as bitchy as possible..oh right.



http://i.imgur.com/ptAzM.png

AAAARGH!!!
My EYES!

I need pallette cleanser!

It's time Greta realised that's she's gone past po-mo "irony", and out the other side, to resemble an early-years Dame Edna. Dressing like a granny loses it's hipster cool once you're old enough to be one.

Regarding PotentialProstitutes (PP).

PP is out an out extortion, and badly done, and yes, based on:

1) Anonymous sources
2) Shaming of women (mostly)
3) Unaccountable / No verification of claims of prostitution
4) No way to take photos or a page down (except for paying some amount of money)
5) PP does this to enrichen its owners through extortive payments.

PP is very bad. Should be shut down. Should be prosecuted.

Then there is ihollaback.org (HB)

Founded in 2010 or so, with much fanfare and applause from all the usual feminists and feminist sites, ihollaback.org, to fight against street harassment, encouraged anyone to send in anonymously cell phone photos of men harassing them on the street. The photos were presented publicly as well as descriptions of the behaviors of the men.

1) Anonymous sources
2) Shaming of men
3) Unaccountable / No verification of claims of harassment / easily gamed / no way - no form - no phone number to complain
4) No way to take photos or a page down, at all.
5) HB claims to do this for women, but the huge press fanfare and plaudits sure does a grrrl good on her resume and media presentation

Potential Prostitutes: loudly decried
iHollaback: You go girl!

When I have pointed this out at various websites, I have of course been told what I rapist I must be.

Top 5 baboons:

1: pz for obvious reasons
2: rw for obvious reasons, 1 and 2 are pretty much interchangeable, but pz nicks it because his fuckwittery isn't as expected as the mediawhore
3: carrier for introducing himself as a baboon in such magnificent style.
4: Ophelia because, well because she is just plain fucking stupid and has to be on the list.
5: this has to go to tittywobble for the mutant child she birthed and then abandoned, her "i can't cope with reality" flounce and the wanker episode.

dinkum wrote:Is it out of line to request that people stop reposting those fucking mugshots? I'm about to hurk up my cheese sandwich.

A valid point. Because we don't have any guidelines beyond the BB Code for Dummies thing. I'll post this here:

When quoting a long post and/or one with pics. embedded video etc. Only quote what you have to, to show what you're talking about. This helps with your loading time and reduces wear and tear on the scrolling finger.

cunt wrote: I might come over and fuck up some of your commenters but that can also wait for the 3rd.

By the way, lurkers, that was a joke. Happy New Years to everyone on the pit.

[youtube]mc_wQ2VJL9Y[/youtube]

Ape+lust wrote:

Mykeru wrote:Thing is, with the exception of Sasha Wiley-Shaw, I don't see a lot of distortion through the lens, so they are either really low correction non-prescription or just clear lens accessories like this:

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8072/8330 ... 5677_z.jpg

Fashionable nonsense.

Hensley needs them to keep the Kabuki lacquer affixed to her head.

Odd how all the ones who see potential rapists and misogynists everywhere all wear cheap ugly glasses ... I think MISOGINY, is was written on the inside of the lenses, as some sort of Chinese revenge for having to make all our iphones. It's the only thing that makes sense. :dance:

Who the duck fot the 40,000 post?! All you assholes discussing stupid baboon shit, and you missed the really important stuff. Shit.

real horrorshow wrote:

comslave wrote:

Oneiros666 wrote:This may have been commented on earlier, but fuck it, I am drinking whisky and as such I become lazy:

What is the deal with these radical feminists all wearing these god-awful glasses? I mean, it's like they go out of their way in order to look as bitchy as possible..oh right.



http://i.imgur.com/ptAzM.png

AAAARGH!!!
My EYES!

I need pallette cleanser!

It's time Greta realised that's she's gone past po-mo "irony", and out the other side, to resemble an early-years Dame Edna. Dressing like a granny loses it's hipster cool once you're old enough to be one.

Keep it up guys. Each posting of these pics just makes my homosexuality stronger. And if there were a comment of the day award; Real Horror Show would get it for the above.

Za-zen wrote:Who the duck fot the 40,000 post?! All you assholes discussing stupid baboon shit, and you missed the really important stuff. Shit.

Who's been posting here faster than bullets from Puff the Magic Fucking Dragon?

Za-zen wrote:Who the duck fot the 40,000 post?! All you assholes discussing stupid baboon shit, and you missed the really important stuff. Shit.

Who do you think you are? Steersman? Look it up for yourself.

Peezus Christ!

BarnOwl wrote:

Gumby wrote:Off to my mother's to see what the fuck is wrong with her TV. God forbid she should miss any reality TV shows :roll:

Hundreds of channels, and still nothing but crap on TV. How did that happen? /first world problems

I'm glad I didn't upgrade my Uverse so that I could get the Planet Green channel. Foolishly, I thought there would be programs about recycling, green homes, renewable energy, gardening, climate change, etc., but instead the offerings seem to be A Haunting and American Hot Rods. WTF?

Yeah, I gave up on Discovery and similar channels when shit like Cash Cab, Ancient Astronauts, ghost shows and the like started taking over. Unfortunately it's what the American TV audience wants. It really, really sucks. Yesterday Cosmos, today Real Housewives of New Jersey. :puke-huge:

I don't even have cable anymore, I ditched it two years ago. Why should I pay close to 80 bucks a month for 200 channels of drivel? Now I just stream what I want through Netflix for 8 bucks a month, and also have a largish Blu-Ray collection and over 700 documentaries on DVD. That's plenty. Added bonus, no commercials or political ads.

tfoot wrote:okay, so its over 48 hrs since I put the video up, ~50k views and a 95 % approval rating,

and yet this is greeted by complete silence from baboon central. That's unprecedented!

Do they realize that they have been damned by their own words and the best thing they can do is ignore it and hope no one sees their stupidity/ hypocrisy?

Or are they saving it up for some devastating ad hominim 'we must drive TF out of the community like a pariah' type shit? FYI the last time they plotted as a group to do that... where they all conspired to release their blogs at the same time to be as devastating as possible, it resulted in me losing ~300 out of 150 000 subscribers. Wow, that blogging network is soooo powerfully influential!

Hmmm, kobolds, the one creature who everyone can laugh at without fear of reprisal!
http://www.motifake.com/image/demotivat ... 486800.jpg

tfoot I would like to get you on the podcast.
signed
Your driver in DC ;)

just sayin
http://reapsowradio.com/graphics/Ed.jpg

Top 5:

1- Steve Novella SGU, for not adressing any of the shit Rebecca does, and allowing such a spectacular non skeptic on the show.

2- Rebecca Watson. What a slug of human being.

3- PZ. For obvious reasons.

4- Ophie. Paranoid much?

5- Matt Dillahunty. Not being able to apply skepticism to his sacred cows.

Za-zen wrote:Who the duck fot the 40,000 post?! All you assholes discussing stupid baboon shit, and you missed the really important stuff. Shit.

John Brown.

Reap wrote:Ok I need everyone to list your TOP 5 jerk-face, moron, fuck-wad,A+ idiots or FTB assholes for my end of the year list. No need to give reasons why and if you think that more than 1 can fit in as number 1, thats ok. I'm not sure the best way to tally it. List it here unless it gets messy I guess? Or if you cant risk posting it here then hit me up on FB (Reap Paden) Polls close at 11:59pm pst Jan 1

Laden
Zvain
Beiber
ReGreta
Setar

My Top 5:

1: Laden
2: PZ
3: Zvan
4: Thibeault
5: Ophelia

Titty wobble has announced on twatter in response to our own demon, that she can't stand atheists anymore, even liberal ones! Lol.

Hey guys, Jerry here.

1. Opehie
2. Setar et all elf genderqueer princess of Atheism+
3. Zvan
4. RW
5. Surly crybaby Amy.

I know I should stop, but holy fuck that thread about the mods being...whatever at A+ is like crack. I can't stop going back and looking.

Reap wrote:Ok I need everyone to list your TOP 5 jerk-face, moron, fuck-wad,A+ idiots or FTB assholes for my end of the year list. No need to give reasons why and if you think that more than 1 can fit in as number 1, thats ok. I'm not sure the best way to tally it. List it here unless it gets messy I guess? Or if you cant risk posting it here then hit me up on FB (Reap Paden) Polls close at 11:59pm pst Jan 1

1. "Who The Fuck Is" Ed "Git" Brayton
2. Ophelia "You're Damaging My Online Rep" Benson
3. Stephanie "I Love Analyzing Greggie-poo" Zvan
4. "HalfFish Is My Bud" Crommunist
5. PZ "Dungeon Master" Myers

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd24 ... 04b678.jpg

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd24 ... a07db2.jpg

Gumby wrote:http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd24 ... 04b678.jpg

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd24 ... a07db2.jpg

Yeah i tweeted her asking if that meant she wasn't an atheist anymore. Lol, it hurts, it hurts so bad.

My five:

5) Crommunist for declaring he was all in with the baboons, he's the biggest disappointment
4) Cry Baby Amy
3) A tie! Twatson/PeeZus
2) The Cowntess Szvan Zepplin
1) bin Laden

Ape+lust wrote:

Tkmlac wrote:28% of 16,000 is over 4,000. I don't know how you got 280.

$15,000 exemption.

Just realised. That applies to the millionaire earner as well. They don't get $720,000 per year to live on. It's $735,0000. Phew!

Za-zen wrote: Yeah i tweeted her asking if that meant she wasn't an atheist anymore. Lol, it hurts, it hurts so bad.

Oh, I'm sure she still identifies as a liberal atheist, but it's her type of liberal and her type of atheist. You know, the correct kind.

Gumby wrote:http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd24 ... 04b678.jpg

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd24 ... a07db2.jpg

She's not entirely stable, though she belongs in one.

When asked if she was a still an atheist, did she say "NAAAAAY!"?

cunt wrote:

Ape+lust wrote:

Tkmlac wrote:28% of 16,000 is over 4,000. I don't know how you got 280.

$15,000 exemption.

Just realised. That applies to the millionaire earner as well. They don't get $720,000 per year to live on. It's $735,0000. Phew!

Oooooh. Okay, that makes sense. "Make 15000? no tax! Make 16000? Taxed for the whole thing!" haha. I'm dense.

http://i.imgur.com/1UKVA.jpg

[youtube]1FPFUrXbQgc[/youtube]

Dick Strawkins wrote:http://i.imgur.com/1UKVA.jpg

[youtube]1FPFUrXbQgc[/youtube]

Yeah i don't get the reference.

My issue with a flat tax is that the cost of living and the burden that food and housing puts on lower incomes is higher than those with more income. Some think a flat tax is fair because everyone is paying the same percentage but the gas bill, food bill and housing is going to be a lot higher percentage of income for the poor than for the rich.

That would explain a lot. When I re-engaged with the community in an attempt to figure out what the hell was going on, I recall getting the very distinct impression that the FtB etc. bunch really, really believed their own hype that they were a big enough presence to actually take down the likes of Dawkins - with the unstated but clearly implied goal that they would fill the resulting vacuum.

Yes!! The New Statesman article in August announced Atheism+ as "a reaction against the 'New Atheism' of Richard Dawkins."

I distinctly remember seeing two conversations around the same time: One might have been on Twitter, it was a bit of giggling over what hoops they'd make Dawkins jump through in order to join, and how much fun that would be. The other was on FTB, about Atheism+'s proposed 'Official Safe Space' designation for conventions which would not only require anti-harrassment policies, gender and ethnic diversity, etc., but also speakers like Rebecca Watson and PZ Myers.

They really believed Atheism+ was going to be such a Thing that Dawkins - Dawkins! - would come crawling to them, and atheist/skeptic conventions all over the world would bend over backwards to earn the "safe space" designation, including letting A+ dictate their speaker lineup! It might explain, at least in part, why Myers and Watson haven't openly participated in A+ (I believe Myers has pointed out several times that he's not a member). It wouldn't be seemly to be making demands like "To get my organization's stamp of approval you must hire and pay me as a speaker."

katamari Damassi wrote:

Steersman wrote: However, I can’t help but notice – “sore thumb” caliber – that Brayton still seems to be unclear on a concept or two which sort of belies his disputing that he hasn’t actually “started a cult”:
[spoiler]

While we’re at it, can we also stop with the constant and moronic references to witch burnings and inquisitions? Michael Shermer is not a poor persecuted soul being chased by villagers with torches and pitchforks, he’s a guy who said something very sexist and stupid and is being criticized for it. He had an opportunity to say, “Yeah, that was really dumb and sexist. I’d like to apologize for that and work with others to see if we can come up with a solution to make secular communities more inclusive and welcoming to women.” He chose instead to double down on the problem and make it considerably worse.

[/spoiler]The thing is Ed, you haven’t actually proven that Shermer’s comments qualify as sexism. They may appear to be that way to you, but to insist that everyone else has to accept that interpretation – particularly when there is a notable dearth of evidence – tends to qualify as peddling dogma – sort of a salient attribute of cults. Q.E.D.

Ed does have a point here. I don't think anyone said that Shermer should be drummed out of the community and made forever a pariah, ergo the witch hunting allegations are silly.

I don’t see that Shermer’s original comment about Ophelia being on some sort of a witchhunt against him is at all unreasonable – particularly given her scouring through his articles in Scientific American to find damning evidence of his nefarious sexism.

The problem seems to be – as was discussed in some detail here (I think) and elsewhere – that many seem to have some difficulties with analogies – that drawing a parallel between two scenarios means that both have a complete one-to-one correspondence.

For instance, witch-hunt has a pefectly reasonable and applicable definition – an investigation carried out ostensibly to uncover subversive activities but actually used to harass and undermine those with differing views – that doesn’t entail any implications of thumb-screws and burning people at the stake – except figuratively. And likewise with Ophelia Benson’s use of a parallel between TAM and Nazi Germany: I certainly didn’t take that to mean that she was implying that TAM was engaging in genocide. And similarly with Paula Kirby’s use of feminazi and grammar-nazi – as she suggested about the latter, that shouldn’t lead most sane people to think that they had plans to invade Scotland for butchering the Queen’s English. A distinction that is apparently lost on many people including Benson.

But, considering the banning by PZ and others simply for presenting arguments contrary to the conventional wisdom or simply for being from the “wrong” side of the tracks, tends to give further credibilty to the charge of witch-burnings and inquisitions which are looking uncomfortably close if not precursors to the real thing.

katamari Damassi wrote:

Gumby wrote:http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd24 ... 04b678.jpg

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd24 ... a07db2.jpg

She's not entirely stable, though she belongs in one.

When asked if she was a still an atheist, did she say "NAAAAAY!"?

Listen to the Houyhnhnm.

http://oald8.oxfordlearnersdictionaries ... /houyhnhnm

Tkmlac wrote:My issue with a flat tax is that the cost of living and the burden that food and housing puts on lower incomes is higher than those with more income. Some think a flat tax is fair because everyone is paying the same percentage but the gas bill, food bill and housing is going to be a lot higher percentage of income for the poor than for the rich.

It's quite blatantly unfair. I mean you'd really have to be a complete fuckwit to think otherwise.

lurker4now wrote: I distinctly remember seeing two conversations around the same time: One might have been on Twitter, it was a bit of giggling over what hoops they'd make Dawkins jump through in order to join, and how much fun that would be. The other was on FTB, about Atheism+'s proposed 'Official Safe Space' designation for conventions which would not only require anti-harrassment policies, gender and ethnic diversity, etc., but also speakers like Rebecca Watson and PZ Myers.

It would be great to have screenshots of that!

cunt wrote:

Ape+lust wrote:

Tkmlac wrote:28% of 16,000 is over 4,000. I don't know how you got 280.

$15,000 exemption.

Just realised. That applies to the millionaire earner as well. They don't get $720,000 per year to live on. It's $735,0000. Phew!

$724,200 actually.

/pedant

mikelf unplugged wrote:

cunt wrote:

Ape+lust wrote:

Tkmlac wrote:28% of 16,000 is over 4,000. I don't know how you got 280.

$15,000 exemption.

Just realised. That applies to the millionaire earner as well. They don't get $720,000 per year to live on. It's $735,0000. Phew!

$724,200 actually.

/pedant

I thought of that about a second after I posted. Knew some fucker would pick it up.