Spence wrote:somedumbguy wrote:I mean, feminists pressure legislatures and society to roll back burden of proof, to roll back on Blackstone (10 guilty men) (
http://www2.law.ucla.edu/volokh/guilty.htm), to roll back on many protections that we offer to other people charged with other crimes.
They also insist that rates of rape charges and rape conviction increase. While denying that false accusations and false convictions are any sort of issue at all.
And this is mediated by prosecutors and judges that need to be re-elected and understand what tough on crime means as well as needing feminist support.
How could such pressure not increase rates of wrongful conviction above other crimes?
Yes, there are lobby groups. What does the existence of lobby groups prove? Nothing really. The people who make the decisions (legislators, lawyers, judges) are familiar with lobby groups and are unlikely to be severely prejudiced by them - unless you have evidence otherwise (but I note your evidence largely amounts to a mixture of hand-waving and anecdata).
What does the existence of lobby groups prove?
On the one hand, that is a reasonably skeptical question to ask. On the other hand, I do wonder what country you are writing from.
(but I note your evidence largely amounts to a mixture of hand-waving and anecdata)
And you respond to arguments drawn from economics and statistics with your own hand-waving argument that is summarized with the statement, "you say the color of the sky is blue, but you only cite anecdata for that!"
Spence wrote:Rape conviction rates are typically LOWER than other forms of violent crimes in the UK (which I'm familiar with, I know less about the US), so even though they are increasing, the absolute measure is almost certainly more relevant and is indicative that there are likely to be fewer wrongful convictions of rape than other crimes.
Math error. "likely to be fewer wrongful convictions of rape than other crimes" only in absolute terms, I believe this discussion has been about rates of wrongful conviction. Your claim that having a lower conviction rate must mean rates of false conviction are lower is not logically or mathematically sound.
Also, who is denying false allegations exist? Certainly the people that matter - the police, the CPS, legislators, lawyers, judges - are well aware that false allegations exist, and the court system is there to protect against that.
"citation-needed", and no, the people that matter are among those that benefit from having high conviction rates. The people that matter as you say, are the ones targeted by feminists to understand that women don't like, to understand that children don't lie, to understand that to be re-elected they need to increase rape convictions and be tough on rape. They are also likely to be the ones to support the rape arrests or any arrest in their departments, because tribalism.
These people know what they are doing - probably better than you do. But no justice system is perfect, and of course you can find innocent people wrongly convicted of rape, just as I can give you a long long list of people wrongly convicted for murder. That is not evidence that in any way supports your claim without a more complete and nuanced analysis, which you appear incapable of.
Ya know, fuckhead, for someone that keeps on telling me how incompentent my arguments are, fuckface, your arguments rely on the same if not more hand waving analysis.
At this point retard, since you are incapable of discussing my arguments cogently asswipe without name calling me, and bullying, why don't you jam your keyboard up your ass and kill yourself.
At some point if you wish to have a discussion where you can argue without the name calling or slurs or disparagement, I am welcome to hearing what you have to say.
Until then, piss off.