Periodic Table of Swearing

[franc]

Ahhh grasshopper, are you really asserting that the pyt is mysoginist? If so please provide evidence . To be a pytter is not synonymous with hating all things ftb. It is to hate hypocracy, dogma, quashing of dissent, bad arguments, and radical ideologues attempting to hijack movements to serve their own political ends.

Being disgusted at ftb is just a natural consequence.

Being disgusted with FfTB is just a natural consequence of actually practising Freethought. There is no alternative response at all.

[AndrewV69]

I was doing ok until she compared how she does Art to the scientific method - ending with when it goes up on her website its like putting it up for peer review.

I've never been the same since

Citation needed!!! (or failing that a screencap) Otherwise it never happened!!! I call bullcrap!! No one, no one is that stupid!!!

well, on your own head be it - you were warned

I don't ... I ... she even looked as if she believed what she was saying ... WTF? O.K. I am wrong. There is someone this stupid. Holy ... I do not even ..

Words fail me...

[ConcentratedH2O, OM]

I really, genuinely believe that the Chymepit people have little touch with reality:

Chigau:

I wonder what PZ’s childhood nickname was.
I can’t imagine anyone living through grade school with a name containing “pee”.

I...don't...even...

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ent-473073

[franc]

Oolon if you can get it through your head that we are not all the same, that yes some on here are still very angry at the bullying PZ and his crowd have done, and it's not a cesspool of misogyny, homophobia, transphobia, if it was I would not be here. Have you read any criticisms of PZ from John Loftus ? Or even Thunderfoot? What are you here to do?

This is a basic failure of all of those that do not comprehend the "resistance". They cannot shake themselves from the concept that there are "sides". It is essentially a dualist, or Manichean, mindset. It shows that no matter how much they may claim to be godless, they have not freed themselves from religious thinking. I am not on anyone's "side". I just despise destructive personality cults, which to me are indistinguishable from religion, and are essentially all that FfTB is - a cult that worships egos. I don't care if you're Tom Cruise, Pope Ratboy or PZ Myers. My reasons for detesting you are the same.

[AndrewV69]

What a strong, independent woman Ophelia is:

http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterflies ... avoidance/

Such a lovely personality too. :whistle:

And what *witty* sycophants she has: http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterflies ... ent-310722

That was kinda funny...I offered to help...

I'm more concerned with the "what's the problem with rape" from "Commensense" - troll, poe, or what?

But really, Nanny Phee - get out in the real world more. It has things like dead rats, and hobos, and smells, and all the glorious trials of a non-sterile sheltered world. That was worth a blog post? How desperate for traffic is she?

Screen shot or it never happened. "Commonsense" alas, has ceased to be.

[AndrewV69]

ps. A question about art journalists, is it the same international? Swedish art journalists are, in general, feminist Marxists that have 1-2 pages in any paper where spend just as much time writing about communism/socialism, feminism, racism, and pretty much anything that strikes their fancy, as they do actually reviewing art. Not that I'm complaining to much, it's awesome entertainment sometimes, like when one of them made the case that the Smurf village was basically a ideal communist state. But still, I'd like to know, is it the same thing in other countries, or is this a Swedish phenomena?

Sweden is ahead of the curve my man. The rest of the world is trying to catch up though. If you wait long enough, whatever you think is crazy now will become normal.

[AndrewV69]

FYI -Just finished a conversation with Abbie Smith, probably have podcast up Wed
PS- She is really smart...I know you knew that but I mean really smart

Exactly the sort of woman any sane society would pay to have kids.

If I were in charge, a woman with her IQ would get a sliding scale per child. Say 75K for the first and cap it at 200K for four kids. Did I mention that this income is tax free and adjusted for cost of living?

[franc]

There will be no dissing of our feline overlords here

If you don't like cats, fuck off t'internet!

"No amount of seasoning or culinary finesse can ever disguise the hideous taste of cat" - from French cookbook of circa revolution cooking that some CUNT stole.

[BarfSimpson]

What a strong, independent woman Ophelia is:

http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterflies ... avoidance/

Such a lovely personality too. :whistle:

And what *witty* sycophants she has: http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterflies ... ent-310722

http://oi48.tinypic.com/jfu2c2.jpg

[ConcentratedH2O, OM]

What a strong, independent woman Ophelia is:

http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterflies ... avoidance/

Such a lovely personality too. :whistle:

And what *witty* sycophants she has: http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterflies ... ent-310722

http://oi48.tinypic.com/jfu2c2.jpg

Why do you despise all women?

[Mykeru]

[youtube]rtOUWCKBKB8[/youtube]

Lowbar:

The long-awaited Atheism Plus update with the required level of snark, random humor, and baby otters

Shout outs go to

The Slyme-Pit: http://www.slymepit.com

The ever-amusing YouTuber boogie2988, whose character clip I shamelessly lifted.

MyCatsareMyGodsfor her fanatical belief in 'Becca

People (you know who you are) who send me the dirt.

The massive butt-hurt that is Atheism Plus and Freethought Blogs.

And, as always the Endymion Ensemble, The London Voices, Terry Edwards & Dominic Muldowny for their indispensable music for the film adaptation of Nineteen Eighty-Four.



Part Two still mixing down, will upload before I sleep the sleep of the lulz-y.

[Steersman]

FYI -Just finished a conversation with Abbie Smith, probably have podcast up Wed
PS- She is really smart...I know you knew that but I mean really smart

Exactly the sort of woman any sane society would pay to have kids.

If I were in charge, a woman with her IQ would get a sliding scale per child. Say 75K for the first and cap it at 200K for four kids. Did I mention that this income is tax free and adjusted for cost of living?

"Genetic determinism! Genetic determinism! Ack! Polly want a cracker!"

Doncha know that such capabilities are entirely social constructions and that sufficient resources in education – and re-education – facilities will do the trick?

But generally I agree with at least the principle you suggest – devil in the details and all that. Someone said that the hand that rocks the cradle rules the nation and by which one might argue that there are far too many resources spent on the military that might be better spent on developing better parenting skills – and better parents.

[BarnOwl]

What a strong, independent woman Ophelia is:

http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterflies ... avoidance/

Such a lovely personality too. :whistle:

And what *witty* sycophants she has: http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterflies ... ent-310722

http://oi48.tinypic.com/jfu2c2.jpg

Shall we take bets on how long your comment lasts?

And in the "truth is stranger than snark" category:

Rat-atouille

[franc]

Liberal bullying: Privilege-checking and semantics-scolding as internet sport

[JackRayner]

I was doing ok until she compared how she does Art to the scientific method - ending with when it goes up on her website its like putting it up for peer review.

I've never been the same since

Citation needed!!! (or failing that a screencap) Otherwise it never happened!!! I call bullcrap!! No one, no one is that stupid!!!

well, on your own head be it - you were warned

As the residential art student, I feel obligated to chime in with my thorough and educated analysis:

Sulky Amy said:
...but when you really break down the creative process, it's very similar to the scientific method...

No. Just....fucking NO.

http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/new ... 14/e39.png

[Badger3k]

What a strong, independent woman Ophelia is:

http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterflies ... avoidance/

Such a lovely personality too. :whistle:

And what *witty* sycophants she has: http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterflies ... ent-310722

That was kinda funny...I offered to help...

I'm more concerned with the "what's the problem with rape" from "Commensense" - troll, poe, or what?

But really, Nanny Phee - get out in the real world more. It has things like dead rats, and hobos, and smells, and all the glorious trials of a non-sterile sheltered world. That was worth a blog post? How desperate for traffic is she?

Screen shot or it never happened. "Commonsense" alas, has ceased to be.

Not surprised. Don't think the tapatalk app has a screenshot feature. May have to look into alternatives on my pad.

[mordacious1]

Someone asks OB why the slymepit hates her so much. Her reply:

Ophelia Benson says:
October 16, 2012 at 3:56 pm
No. I don’t understand it either.

What did I do? Hm. I objected to Justicar’s use of “Twatson.” I objected when Miranda greeted the announcement of the Women in Secularism Conference with the insulting remark that she would hate to be invited to a conference just because she had “the appropriate genitalia.” I objected when Abbie Smith said that PZ was “chasing smelly skepchick snatch.” I obected to the torrent of misogynistic crap that kept piling up on Abbie Smith’s blog. I objected when Russell Blackford commented at Abbie Smith’s blog to say “Naughty Abbie!” as if it were all a big joke. And so on. Basically just lots of objecting to misogynistic shit, with specifics.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterflies ... ying-lies/

HaHaHaHa

I know I told OB that I wouldn't read her blog anymore, but I lied...I'm a liar, that's what we do.

[JackRayner]

As the residential art student

That's resident, ain't itz? :doh:

P.S: My status as such is also up for dispute. Anyone that wants to take it can grab their X-Acto knife and meet me out back...

[aweraw]

Liberal bullying: Privilege-checking and semantics-scolding as internet sport

I wonder how long it will be before the SJW's from FTB and A+ forums turn up in the comments to illustrate the writters points more vividly for us all.

[Mykeru]

Atheism Plus Social Justice Update Pt. 2: Feeding the Troll

[youtube]711OW6trnAQ[/youtube]

[Michael K Gray]

rtOUWCKBKB8

Well done, sir!
But such an obvious parody is almost becoming concrete reality, as the crazy feeds on its-self...
It is so hard to tell these days, apart from the excellent production qualities, of course, which is a 'giveaway'.
None of the remaining spazmos at A+Theism can tie their own bootlaces, let alone produce a quality video clip.

(Ooh! I see that part 2 is up. Gotta go and grab me an oily Victory Gin, Citizen Mykeru 4387.)

[aweraw]

Atheism Plus Social Justice Update Pt. 2: Feeding the Troll

[youtube]711OW6trnAQ[/youtube]

Watching now... first part had me choking on chortles

[Tristan]

Not surprised. Don't think the tapatalk app has a screenshot feature. May have to look into alternatives on my pad.

Press the home button and the power button at the same time.

[Lapsang Souchong]

Atheism Plus Social Justice Update Pt. 2: Feeding the Troll

[youtube]711OW6trnAQ[/youtube]

Excellent videos Mykeru. Thanks for putting so much effort into them. I especially liked the ending of two with Becci Boos.

[Rystefn]

I was doing ok until she compared how she does Art to the scientific method - ending with when it goes up on her website its like putting it up for peer review.

I've never been the same since

Citation needed!!! (or failing that a screencap) Otherwise it never happened!!! I call bullcrap!! No one, no one is that stupid!!!

well, on your own head be it - you were warned

As the residential art student, I feel obligated to chime in with my thorough and educated analysis:

Sulky Amy said:
...but when you really break down the creative process, it's very similar to the scientific method...

No. Just....fucking NO.

http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/new ... 14/e39.png

I haven't been an art student in many years (I did go to the Henry Wadsworth Longfellow School for the Creative and Performing Arts, though), but... holy shit, what is wrong with her? I mean... what the fucking fuck? What the everloving fuck? Is my brain bleeding? It feels like my brain is bleeding...

[rayshul]

That place is not a debate forum. It's supposed to be a haven away from having their self-worth as human beings questioned. If they start allowing those kinds of debates there, then it ceases to serve its purpose, and becomes just like all those other places they are trying to get away from.

Rayshul's quote made me think about this quote, and about these people's feelings that the rest of the world somehow considers them less than human. There is discrimination out there, but I think a level of discrimination bad enough to make someone feel like they're not fully human is extremely rare.

I think some people just are on edge and ready to take offence at anything. They get a weird kick out of it. Being offended en masse is great fun, it seems...

[rayshul]

That guy is a little bitch.

I agree with your assessment of Adam Lee. He gives me the same reaction I get to Laden, oddly. Mouth puke. Just not someone I would ever want to encounter IRL in any circumstance.

[Ape+lust]

I was doing ok until she compared how she does Art to the scientific method - ending with when it goes up on her website its like putting it up for peer review.

I've never been the same since

As the residential art student, I feel obligated to chime in with my thorough and educated analysis:

Sulky Amy said:
...but when you really break down the creative process, it's very similar to the scientific method...

No. Just....fucking NO.

I haven't been an art student in many years (I did go to the Henry Wadsworth Longfellow School for the Creative and Performing Arts, though), but... holy shit, what is wrong with her? I mean... what the fucking fuck? What the everloving fuck? Is my brain bleeding? It feels like my brain is bleeding...

A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Cargo Cultist:

"Artists and scientists are very similar in their process when they are trying to come up with something new or make a new discovery. An artist comes up with a hypothesis as to what their next piece of art might be. They gather data or supplies from what is available to them. They experiment and make a detailed analysis of those supplies, combining them in new ways to produce more data and finally a piece of art. They then come to conclusions as to whether the art is acceptable or complete. Finally that art is released into the world to be peer reviewed by an audience of consumers or other artists. While not necessarily as strict of an interpretation as in the sciences, it still illustrates the similarities of the creative process that is used in both fields."

http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/sym ... of-reason/

Makes me think of this infamous nitwit:

[youtube]kA6rUU0K9xE[/youtube]

[Michael K Gray]

Atheism Plus Social Justice Update Pt. 2: Feeding the Troll

Has anyone told you that you don't sound a bit like Carl Sagan?
(I dare you to covertly insert "Biwwions and biwwions" somewhere in your next production.)

[Skep tickle]

Just a few minutes ago...

Atheism+ Forum:

In total there are 19 users online :: 6 registered, 2 hidden and 11 guests (based on users active over the past 5 minutes) ...
Registered users: Bing [Bot], Google [Bot], JessicaRabbit, Mocha, SubMor, Yukimi

The Slyme Pit:

In total there are 23 users online :: 6 registered, 0 hidden and 17 guests (based on users active over the past 5 minutes) ...
Registered users: [6 names, none is a Bot]

[Michael K Gray]

I am being serious for this post:
It is no wonder, (to me at least), that the obviously well-meaning but very naïve Jen is suffering from depression.

I contend that it is a curious transferred form of metaphorical post-natal depression.

Her joy at the birth of her bouncing baby A+Theism Logo, (father unknown, but suspected to be a small town Ass Prof) has proven to be an abject failure by any account, and subject of intense world-wide mockery.

They say that our Great Ideas are our offspring, (males have these possessive drives as well), and that we take it very personally when our magna opera are criticised, even rightly, as though they were somehow our mental children.

So, have a care to at least understand her transferred grief, no matter how "silly" you may think it of her.

[Michael K Gray]

Just a few minutes ago...

Atheism+ Forum:

In total there are 19 users online :: 6 registered, 2 hidden and 11 guests (based on users active over the past 5 minutes) ...
Registered users: Bing [Bot], Google [Bot], JessicaRabbit, Mocha, SubMor, Yukimi

The Slyme Pit:

In total there are 23 users online :: 6 registered, 0 hidden and 17 guests (based on users active over the past 5 minutes) ...
Registered users: [6 names, none is a Bot]

Another stat of interest to me is the number of users who post with their real-world name.

[Steersman]

Tue Oct 16, 2012 4:48 pm

FFS I’ve seen a couple over there seriously suggesting that the ‘@SamanthaBoals’ troll really might be Rebecca Watsons friend! No depths of stupidity are too deep when you hate your foes

http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterflies ... ent-310504

And you wonder why people have you on "ignore"? ...

That was enough to put him on my ignore list.

I hope you didn’t do that because Lsuoma was threatening to do that to you because you were responding to oolon.

Because in one sense at least I think he was entirely correct: several here – Scented Nectar and Renee Hendricks – did in fact suggest, in effect at least, that “the ‘@SamanthaBoals’ troll really might be Rebecca Watsons friend” – at least in the sense that sockpuppets tend to be used by friends to support the arguments of their friends or by individuals in support of themselves:
http://i49.tinypic.com/351cpl1.jpg
But in another sense I think oolon is seriously out to lunch in his conclusion that “no depths of stupidity are too deep …” [generally an open question otherwise] since Scented Nectar was obviously not prepared to give much credence to the efforts of the supposed “friend” of Watson’s to discredit both Watson and Myers with some apparently highly specious and spurious if not, as SN suggested, totally irrelevant gossip.

And actually oolon, it was your nemesis PZM who leaped, simply from the single acknowledged shakey and entirely hypothetical case of the “sock” described by SN, to the conclusion, accusation and premise that it is Pit dogma or an article of faith that:

So for years and years, Rebecca Watson’s bestest friends have been cobbling up sock puppet accounts to send her hate mail.

Seems to me that you [oolon] – and PZM – might want to delve into the details a little more closely before making such sweeping conclusions ….

[gooby]

As the residential art student, I feel obligated to chime in with my thorough and educated analysis:

Sulky Amy said:
...but when you really break down the creative process, it's very similar to the scientific method...

No. Just....fucking NO.

Well, science, as well as mathematics, and art are both creative endeavors. The same psychopathological traits would appear to undergird all these disciplines—even though art in principle allows more divergent thinking (i.e. you don't have to follow as many rules, if any), it should be noted that even the most rule-driven technical domains have seen their fair share of lunatics: Georg Cantor died in a sanitarium, Bertrand Russell lived in fear of going mad like his relatives did, Kurt Gödel starved to death out of belief that all food was poisoned, and of course we can't forget this guy either:

http://i.imgur.com/B9fFM.jpg

That being said, Surly Amy's analogy, art as a form of hypothetico-deductive inference, is very strange. Because the idea that enters your head isn't an induction or abduction which you are trying to test. It should have the inspired character of a sudden, sharp abduction but it isn't an explanation or a prediction. It's "hey, why don't I do this and see what comes of it?", that's all. And the stuff you gather isn't "evidence" (or, in the H-D model, potential counterevidence), it's just fucking supplies. And finally, at least in my opinion, making art shouldn't fundamentally be about seeking approval from others (re: the "peer review" part of her analogy). It should be about I'm doing this because fuck you, that's why.

In short, it's amusing the level of skill these retards expect of their opponents while they fawn over turds like Sulky Amy.

[gooby]

In other news, PeeZus keeps losing fans:

http://i.imgur.com/CovHa.png

Pretty soon he might even be grateful for all the peanuts we throw him.

[gooby]

Oops. Smaller version for convenience:

http://i.imgur.com/VFQuq.png

[Steersman]

I am being serious for this post:
It is no wonder, (to me at least), that the obviously well-meaning but very naïve Jen is suffering from depression. … So, have a care to at least understand her transferred grief, no matter how "silly" you may think it of her.

You old softie, you …

Although you might also shed a tear or two for the grief at least apparently manifested by several other women on “that” side of the fence over the verbal harassment they’ve received. Misogyny, as the recent speech by the Australian PM indicated, is apparently a rather prevalent problem, although one can also reasonably argue that far too many are far too quick to characterize reasonable criticisms as that ….

[Michael K Gray]

The same psychopathological traits would appear to undergird all these disciplines

WTF?
Passive tense, impenetrable phraseology, unnecessary words, (and that is just in that sub-phrase), leads to a request:-
could you please say that in a way that I might understand your intent?
Or are you just having fun with "meaningless songs sung in very high voices"?
Because they give me the HeeBeeGeeBees.
[youtube]T-gZKRKNy4w[/youtube]
PS: I take it that you are NOT a scientist.
Please correct me should I be in error.

[Philip of Tealand]

FYI -Just finished a conversation with Abbie Smith, probably have podcast up Wed
PS- She is really smart...I know you knew that but I mean really smart

AHAAAA! I suspected as much!

Abbie, your secret is now all over the internet now!

:D

[gooby]

The same psychopathological traits would appear to undergird all these disciplines

WTF?

No "WTF" necessary.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creativity ... al_illness

A longer discussion of this topic can be found in volumes like the Cambridge Handbook of Creativity.

Here's a short news article on the subject:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10154775

And finally, as an added hint, adding the term "(low) latent inhibition" to web searches into the connection between creativity and mental illness will bring up a good number of meaningful results.

[gooby]

And since you had an outburst over nothing, I'd just like to be a pedantic asshole and add that I did not use the passive voice in that sentence.

If I had, it would, it would have been "All these disciplines would appear to be undergirded by the same psychopathological traits."

In any case, active or passive voice, I stand by what I said.

[Trophy]

No, I think from where I was sitting people were talking at cross purposes. You guys need to sit down and have a beer together.

I love you Dilurk! You should drop by more often :).

[Michael K Gray]

In any case, active or passive voice, I stand by what I said.

But, are you a scientist?

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

Si I'm both crazy and doing something akin to science? Sweet!

[gooby]

In any case, active or passive voice, I stand by what I said.

But, are you a scientist?

In a manner of speaking, yes, I use statistical methods to find patterns in raw data i.e. data mining, which you could consider a very computational, stylized approach to the scientific method.

I'm confused though. Why is this relevant again?

[Philip of Tealand]

[youtube]rtOUWCKBKB8[/youtube]

Lowbar:

The long-awaited Atheism Plus update with the required level of snark, random humor, and baby otters

Shout outs go to

The Slyme-Pit: http://www.slymepit.com

The ever-amusing YouTuber boogie2988, whose character clip I shamelessly lifted.

MyCatsareMyGodsfor her fanatical belief in 'Becca

People (you know who you are) who send me the dirt.

The massive butt-hurt that is Atheism Plus and Freethought Blogs.

And, as always the Endymion Ensemble, The London Voices, Terry Edwards & Dominic Muldowny for their indispensable music for the film adaptation of Nineteen Eighty-Four.



Part Two still mixing down, will upload before I sleep the sleep of the lulz-y.

You may owe me a new laptop as this one is covered in Tea from too much bursting into laughter!

Really good videos, not only do they point out the worst of the nonsense of the FtB, Atheism +, Skepchick crowd but they also have that really cool guitar music too!

Seriously, well done, I enjoy watching your videos a ton!

Cheeeeeeeers!

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

Reap: podcast with Abbie??? Ooooh, linky as soon as available please!

[Pinker]

Mykeru:

:clap: :lol: :clap: :clap:
Your videos are magnificent.

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

Great videos Mykeru. Oh, and "Anton Lavey impersonator Matt Dillahunty"?

Why do you hate our laptops so much?

[Michael K Gray]

In any case, active or passive voice, I stand by what I said.

But, are you a scientist?

In a manner of speaking, yes, I use statistical methods to find patterns in raw data i.e. data mining, which you could consider a very computational, stylized approach to the scientific method.
I'm confused though. Why is this relevant again?

You referred to science as a "psychopathological trait", (vis: clearly meaning, not implying, irrespective of your very and obviously passive "would appear to undergird", that scientists are mentally ill) and that scientists have "had their fair share of lunatics", and employ obscure terminology, restricted to psycho-philosopho-mavens, such as "abduction" in its obscure and fairly meaningless sense of induction, but with a weak rationale.
These I take to be the outpourings of someone with science-envy.

You seem to be as much a "scientist" to me, as is Surly Aimee.
That is why it is "relevant" to me, "again [sic]".
What are your formal qualifications by which to cement your claim to being a scientist, "in a manner of speaking"?

[TheMan]

[youtube]rtOUWCKBKB8[/youtube]

Lowbar:

The long-awaited Atheism Plus update with the required level of snark, random humor, and baby otters

Shout outs go to

The Slyme-Pit: http://www.slymepit.com

The ever-amusing YouTuber boogie2988, whose character clip I shamelessly lifted.

MyCatsareMyGodsfor her fanatical belief in 'Becca

People (you know who you are) who send me the dirt.

The massive butt-hurt that is Atheism Plus and Freethought Blogs.

And, as always the Endymion Ensemble, The London Voices, Terry Edwards & Dominic Muldowny for their indispensable music for the film adaptation of Nineteen Eighty-Four.



Part Two still mixing down, will upload before I sleep the sleep of the lulz-y.

You may owe me a new laptop as this one is covered in Tea from too much bursting into laughter!

Really good videos, not only do they point out the worst of the nonsense of the FtB, Atheism +, Skepchick crowd but they also have that really cool guitar music too!

Seriously, well done, I enjoy watching your videos a ton!

Cheeeeeeeers!

I resemble this comment and a great eye opener for me.

Those poor otters.

[Lost Moose]

I am being serious for this post:
It is no wonder, (to me at least), that the obviously well-meaning but very naïve Jen is suffering from depression.

I contend that it is a curious transferred form of metaphorical post-natal depression.

Her joy at the birth of her bouncing baby A+Theism Logo, (father unknown, but suspected to be a small town Ass Prof) has proven to be an abject failure by any account, and subject of intense world-wide mockery.

They say that our Great Ideas are our offspring, (males have these possessive drives as well), and that we take it very personally when our magna opera are criticised, even rightly, as though they were somehow our mental children.

So, have a care to at least understand her transferred grief, no matter how "silly" you may think it of her.

In a seriously serious manner, I was thinking along a similar line, that since she passed her General exam in May. Does she have some degree of Post Achievement Depression? But I know nothin' 'bout physo-psyco-brain-stuff!

[gooby]

You referred to science as a "psychopathological trait", (vis: clearly meaning, not implying, irrespective of your very and obviously passive "would appear to undergird", that scientists are mentally ill)

Perhaps not full-blown mentally ill, but having traits along a continuum that starts in boring normality and ends in abject craziness. Psychometric tests for schizotypy for example don't give you a yes or no response, they put you on a statistical distribution. Some people have a lot of these traits, some people have virtually none. Most people are somewhere in the middle. Some people have just enough that they are actually useful (see below).

N.b. there are some advantages to having these traits.

In fact I think normal people are somehow worse off.

and that scientists have "had their fair share of lunatics"

Yeah—that's not really in question. It can be determined true or false with a quick glance at some people's biographical details. It is true.

and employ obscure terminology, restricted to psycho-philosopho-mavens, such as "abduction" in its obscure and fairly meaningless sense of induction, but with a weak rationale.

Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. It's wank. Complete and utter wank:

http://i.imgur.com/HxxBX.png

Software implementations of abductive inference are based on logic, and logic is philosophy, and as we all know, philosophy is nothing but aimless navel-gazing. And I am an aimless navel-gazer. You've exposed me as the charlatan I really am. Well done.

These I take to be the outpourings of someone with science-envy.

Not one bit. I myself have some of the "psychopathological traits" in question, need to control them with Seroquel, and see them as an asset regardless. They allow me to see things from a rather detached, alien perspective.

You seem to be as much a "scientist" to me, as is Surly Aimee.

And you seem to be an idiot to me.

What are your formal qualifications by which to cement your claim to being a scientist, "in a manner of speaking"?

An MS in computer science. (Think they'd call that "MSc" in your neck of the woods?)

In all seriousness: you should just quit now, while you're slightly behind.

[Michael K Gray]

Perhaps not full-blown mentally ill, but having traits along a continuum that starts in boring normality and ends in abject craziness.

That's quite a bit of lee-way that you have pulled out of thin air there.
From zero to hero.
From 0 to ∞!
And with a single bound, the hero is free from his previous assertions!
You made the very, very clear claim, in clear and unambiguous terms, that scientist are pathological nutjobs.
Don't try and squirm out of it now that you have been sprung.

Psychometric tests for schizotypy for example don't give you a yes or no response, they put you on a statistical distribution. Some people have a lot of these traits, some people have virtually none. Most people are somewhere in the middle. Some people have just enough that they are actually useful (see below).

What a load of gobbledegook Deepak Chopra garbage!
A spectrum of pure bullshit.
An "out" for all seasons.
You cannot lose with such a loose definition.
I'm not going to stand for such chicanery.

N.b. there are some advantages to having these traits.

Which "traits"?
Psychopathology, schizotypy, mentally ill (but not "full blown"), or some other philosophico-psychobabble word?

In fact I think normal people are somehow worse off.

Define "normal", please. Do you mean neurotypical, or the average female citizen in rural China?
If you mean Aperger's Syndrome, then I am forced to agree, but you might have clearly outlined that from the outset, rather than shotgunned the entire spectrum from completely sane to the utterly Mabus by which to make your point.

and that scientists have "had their fair share of lunatics"

Yeah—that's not really in question.

Well, YES: it IS IN QUESTION, as I was asking that exact fucking question!!
Are you Oolon in disguise?
I strongly question the "fare share of" adjectival projunct¹ to your bold assertion.
Define "fair share of". I used to think that I knew what it meant, but now still do assume that I know what it means.

It can be determined true or false with a quick glance at some people's biographical details.

More fucking passive tense. At least you have superior grammar than that which Oolon displays, I shall 'give you' that.
But your passive assertion is without the foundation of evidence, nor examples.
It stands as a mere assertion. Resting on the very shaky pedestal of your unproven personal authority.
Which, given that you choose to remain entirely anonymous amongst the bazzillion humans on this planet, and that I am a singularly identifiable individual ape, renders your erstwhile claim to authority as (as a first approximation) nil.

It is true.

Oh, alright then.
I stand corrected.
A voice from on high hath informed me.
(Or is that paraformed me? I can never quite get the hang the hang of these philosophical word-games)

and employ obscure terminology, restricted to psycho-philosopho-mavens, such as "abduction" in its obscure and fairly meaningless sense of induction, but with a weak rationale.

Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. It's wank. Complete and utter wank:

Whilst I, with my Aspergery-sense, can see that remark as sarcasm, it has the ring of truth to it.

What are your formal qualifications by which to cement your claim to being a scientist, "in a manner of speaking"?

An MS in computer science. (Think they'd call that "MSc" in your neck of the woods?)

Yes, you count (with me) as a scientist. Honestly. And you are quite correct in your regional "MSc" nomenclature.

In all seriousness: you should just quit now, while you're slightly behind.

The day that I take advice from an entirely anonymous internet poster, is the day that I believe that I have won the Reader's Digest $2,000,000 lottery.
_____________________
¹ Dr. Johnson meets Blackadder

[Jan Steen]

The Americans can’t get over the unhampered use of ‘cunt’ abroad, as attested by this dialogue from the ever-funny, USA-centric A+ forum:

(http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic ... 388#p32349)

http://i.imgur.com/zyoI3.jpg

Not just the Brits, apparently, have memoryholed the original meaning of cunt because of rampant misogyny. In the Netherlands the word ‘kut’ (cunt) is a common, rude swear word, used by men and women alike, not to denote a person, but to express anger or dismay. Not only the names of female genitalia are so used, however. In Dutch, the equivalent of an asshole (male only) is ‘klootzak’ (scrotum), and to indicate in a rude way that something is of poor quality, the prefix ‘klote’ (derived from testicle) is often attached to a noun. For example, ‘klotefiets’ is something you may shout to your bicycle (‘fiets’) when you have a punctured tyre. ‘Kut’ can be used in the same way (‘kutfiets’), but is considered somewhat ruder. The female equivalent of ‘klootzak’ (asshole) would be ‘klotewijf’ (‘wijf’ is a rude form of ‘woman’, almost equivalent to bitch), while ‘kutwijf’ is even more offensive. So there may be some gender inequality in play.

[Michael K Gray]

In Dutch, the equivalent of an asshole (male only) is ‘klootzak’ (scrotum), and to indicate in a rude way that something is of poor quality, the prefix ‘klote’ (derived from testicle) is often attached to a noun. For example, ‘klotefiets’ is something you may shout to your bicycle (‘fiets’) when you have a punctured tyre. ‘Kut’ can be used in the same way (‘kutfiets’), but is considered somewhat ruder. The female equivalent of ‘klootzak’ (asshole) would be ‘klotewijf’ (‘wijf’ is a rude form of ‘woman’, almost equivalent to bitch), while ‘kutwijf’ is even more offensive. So there may be some gender inequality in play.

Dat is je mannelijke privilege wordt onthuld.

[rayshul]

:geek:

Re Altair's earlier comments and quotes...

Was watching an episode of Elementary where they had an AA meeting.

The telling of the life stories, talking to an audience, revealing shit, etc, is very much what A+ forums seems to do.

[rayshul]

Also on the Australian PM having a little shout about misogyny, I'm fairly sure that was a political move to direct attention away from something she fucked up, which made papers start reporting that she had "let down women (wtf)". Shouting MISOGYNIST at someone else, particularly a dickwit like the opposition, was a smart derail.

Not a fan of the Australian PM.

[Michael K Gray]

:geek:
Re Altair's earlier comments and quotes...
Was watching an episode of Elementary where they had an AA meeting.
The telling of the life stories, talking to an audience, revealing shit, etc, is very much what A+ forums seems to do.

Save for the fact that admitted drug addicts have a physiological reason to attend such fora, as ineffective as they may be.
That reason is to seek an escape from their destructive addiction.

Yet A+Theism is the polar opposite.

The participants actively seek to prolong and enhance their suffering and addiction to pity.
It is a drug to them.
They join A+Theism not to abandon their plainly self-destructive obsessions, but to amplify them!
Et tu, Flewellenæ?

[rayshul]

:geek:
Re Altair's earlier comments and quotes...
Was watching an episode of Elementary where they had an AA meeting.
The telling of the life stories, talking to an audience, revealing shit, etc, is very much what A+ forums seems to do.

Save for the fact that admitted drug addicts have a physiological reason to attend such fora, as ineffective as they may be.
That reason is to seek an escape from their destructive addiction.

Yet A+Theism is the polar opposite.

The participants actively seek to prolong and enhance their suffering and addiction to pity.
It is a drug to them.
They join A+Theism not to abandon their plainly self-destructive obsessions, but to amplify them!
Et tu, Flewellenæ?

It is imitating the AA meeting style except that the point where you take responsibility is absent, and all you get is the pity and the attention and agreement.