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Joé McKen has a new post up about Al and the Pit. http://preliatorcausa.blogspot.com/2012 ... .html#more

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DownThunder wrote:Oh finally a pic I agree with! As an elite musical bastard, most music I hear makes me feel like a scientist studying primordial slime. It can be quite interesting to study, but dont get your feet too dirty.

Don't see how feminism will help. When Ive heard which are labelled feminist or "womyn's music", the experience can only be described as having someone shit in my eardrums.
Or as Wagner's works were described by contemporary critics: "advanced cat music", and "demons drowning in a torrent of brandy."

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Steersman wrote:
Futrelle wrote:Men’s Rights Redditor warns men: “Be careful with your sperm. Your very freedom is at stake.”
It's a feminist trope that this is not true, feminists have a few words for it to mock it, spermjacking, spermburgling, but sadly, it is more true than not.

This was the news today: http://www.kansascity.com/2012/12/29/39 ... -from.html

There are many cases of courts going after men for child support when one or more of the following have occurred.

The mother defrauded the man, claiming he was the father, when he was not.
The mother defrauded the man, taking a sperm donation, promising he would not need to pay support, then reneging.
This case where mother and her partner and man make a deal, and the state breaks that deal.
Man ejaculates into a condom, throws the condom away, woman takes the sperm from the condom, inseminates herself, court rules father must pay support
Man ejaculates into a woman's mouth, woman spits sperm into a cup, later inseminates herself, court rules father must pay support

And there are many studies that show that women that want babies will lie to a man that they use birth control.

I'd like to say that Futrelle found a crackpot, but if you use google, you can find many of these cases. Some very famous non-crackpot civil libertarian lawyers write about this on occasion, Professor Jonathan Turley for one.

Having to pay for 18 - 21 - 25 years huge chunks of your income to mothers of children that are not yours, that you have no parenting rights to, how is that not "your freedom is at stake?"

If you don't pay, you can lose driving licenses, you can lose professional licenses, and you can be thrown in jail while interest still accrues.

How is that not "your freedom is at stake?"

Futrelle is the crackpot, don't you be one too.

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Lsuoma wrote:
WoolyBumblebee wrote:http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa3 ... 83a86d.jpg

:happy-partydance: :laughing-rolling:
Probably pissed off at having to listing to Max Romeo and Judge Dread.

Stop listening to dub step?

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Dan wrote:Joé McKen has a new post up about Al and the Pit. http://preliatorcausa.blogspot.com/2012 ... .html#more
I noticed this earlier, but didn't bother to post. Joé? Really? Fucking hipster - perhaps he oughte toe teache Commmrraddeeee Physiowankereee howe toe usee hise fucken iPadddeeeeee?

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Also:

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Mr Danksworth wrote:
KacyRay wrote:Is there any real activity here?
You are going to have to clarify what you mean. What is your definition of 'real activity'?
What is the sound of one hand fapping?

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Dan wrote:Joé McKen has a new post up about Al and the Pit. http://preliatorcausa.blogspot.com/2012 ... .html#more
Anyone who is under 80 and uses the word "nary" is a wanker, IMHO.

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Vindaloo morning after goatse.

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Steersman wrote:As for an earlier comment of yours, I would say that while you may not have actually convinced me of anything, you’ve certainly provided quite a bit of welcome information on, among other things, the history of feminism and some very questionable aspects of it.
Oh that's all right then.

Anyway, I suggest you try this perspective also seeing as you may already be partly there. From whence come the baboons? What forces have shaped them?

My supposition is that they have gone through a process. I also posit that the MRAs that the baboons sneer upon (the Reddit MRAs as I think of them), are in fact their bretheren, but their responce to the process has bent them differently.

Otherwise, they are interchangeable.

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Cunning Punt wrote:
Dan wrote:Joé McKen has a new post up about Al and the Pit. http://preliatorcausa.blogspot.com/2012 ... .html#more
Anyone who is under 80 and uses the word "nary" is a wanker, IMHO.
I think the wankery for using the Canadian pronunciation of his name, "joe-eh" FAR outshines "nary"

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welch wrote:
Lsuoma wrote:
WoolyBumblebee wrote:http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa3 ... 83a86d.jpg

:happy-partydance: :laughing-rolling:
Probably pissed off at having to listing to Max Romeo and Judge Dread.

Stop listening to dub step?
Not a fan of Kpop then?

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Lsuoma wrote:
Dan wrote:Joé McKen has a new post up about Al and the Pit. http://preliatorcausa.blogspot.com/2012 ... .html#more
I noticed this earlier, but didn't bother to post. Joé? Really? Fucking hipster - perhaps he oughte toe teache Commmrraddeeee Physiowankereee howe toe usee hise fucken iPadddeeeeee?
'Nother gift that keeps on giving. Joe, I'm happy to poke you with a stick until I get bored.

http://zipmeme.com/uploads/generated/g1 ... 790510.jpg

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Mykeru wrote:
ReneeHendricks wrote:Did I mention I'm really fucking grumpy? Probably should have prefaced my last few posts with that.
You probably just need to watch some hot sex tapes:

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8212/8302 ... 1f43_o.gif

PZ was saying the women at conferences were being treated like fuck toys, but I didn't think it was THIS bad.

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WoolyBumblebee wrote:
ReneeHendricks wrote:
WoolyBumblebee wrote:http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa3 ... 83a86d.jpg

:happy-partydance: :laughing-rolling:
WTF? Literally.....what the fuck? As hilarious as this sounds, "feminism" has hit a new low.
Poor thing! She needs feminism so she can go shake her booty in the clubs without being offended by the music... Oh the horror! Someone start a fund for the poor girl! :lol:
This! haha! "I need feminism because every time I get dolled up, do my hair and make-up and go grind with random people in a place known for hooking up and general debauchery, the MUSIC degrades me!"

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franc wrote:
Lsuoma wrote:
Dan wrote:Joé McKen has a new post up about Al and the Pit. http://preliatorcausa.blogspot.com/2012 ... .html#more
I noticed this earlier, but didn't bother to post. Joé? Really? Fucking hipster - perhaps he oughte toe teache Commmrraddeeee Physiowankereee howe toe usee hise fucken iPadddeeeeee?
'Nother gift that keeps on giving. Joe, I'm happy to poke you with a stick until I get bored.

http://zipmeme.com/uploads/generated/g1 ... 790510.jpg
He looks like onna those assclowns what needs 20 minutes and a list to order coffee. Bet the little twat can't order a drink sans brand names, and I'll further bet the precious little vajeener orders his booze by the dram.

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welch wrote:
franc wrote:
Lsuoma wrote:
Dan wrote:Joé McKen has a new post up about Al and the Pit. http://preliatorcausa.blogspot.com/2012 ... .html#more
I noticed this earlier, but didn't bother to post. Joé? Really? Fucking hipster - perhaps he oughte toe teache Commmrraddeeee Physiowankereee howe toe usee hise fucken iPadddeeeeee?
'Nother gift that keeps on giving. Joe, I'm happy to poke you with a stick until I get bored.

http://zipmeme.com/uploads/generated/g1 ... 790510.jpg
He looks like onna those assclowns what needs 20 minutes and a list to order coffee. Bet the little twat can't order a drink sans brand names, and I'll further bet the precious little vajeener orders his booze by the dram.
For instant lulz:

http://memegenerator.net/instance/32640814

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AndrewV69 wrote:However, that is not why she has credibility with MRAs. This is:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/artic ... amily.html
Indeed, when I later opened my refuge for battered women, 62 of the first 100 to come through the door were as abusive as the men they had left.
So, one of the heros of the Mens Rights Movement is a woman. Is this a WTF moment for you? Just asking.
Oh, I know who she is, and I've read about her in several places - her experiences working in her refuge have coloured a lot of my perceptions of domestic violence. I'm not sure why that would be a WTF moment though in the way I thiiiink you're suggested it should be.

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Another fun biology short from Dr. Carin Bondar.

Is she promoting rape?


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Cunning Punt wrote:For instant lulz:

http://memegenerator.net/instance/32640814
Ta, that bombs every time I try and add an image, regardless of browser. Here's mine -

http://zipmeme.com/meme/Joe-McKen/98365/

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Mykeru wrote:
Cunning Punt wrote:
ReneeHendricks wrote:
Mykeru wrote:
ReneeHendricks wrote:Did I mention I'm really fucking grumpy? Probably should have prefaced my last few posts with that.
You probably just need to watch some hot sex tapes:

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8212/8302 ... 1f43_o.gif
EVERY FUCKING TIME I see that, I feel like I should apologize to the animals in this house and bleach my fucking eyes. Damn you, MYKERU! :D
That's nothing. After clicking on one of his links I am now afraid to cough in case I give myself a prolapsed anus.
Could be worse

Mind if I throw in a pallette cleanser?

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welch wrote:He looks like onna those assclowns what needs 20 minutes and a list to order coffee. Bet the little twat can't order a drink sans brand names, and I'll further bet the precious little vajeener orders his booze by the dram.
http://zipmeme.com/uploads/generated/g1 ... 535667.jpg


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Reading through A+'s blowup thread it's quite interesting to note that the mods appear to have been acting as therapists to a bunch of dysfunctional people, while having no training and being incredibly dysfunctional themselves.

Aside from turning the A+ forums into a gallery of kitten pictures, I don't think they can get out of the hole they've dug themselves.

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rayshul wrote:Reading through A+'s blowup thread it's quite interesting to note that the mods appear to have been acting as therapists to a bunch of dysfunctional people, while having no training and being incredibly dysfunctional themselves.
The stewardess is flying the plane

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rayshul wrote:Reading through A+'s blowup thread it's quite interesting to note that the mods appear to have been acting as therapists to a bunch of dysfunctional people, while having no training and being incredibly dysfunctional themselves.

Aside from turning the A+ forums into a gallery of kitten pictures, I don't think they can get out of the hole they've dug themselves.
Dysfunctional and inept. The blowup happened because what an aggrieved poster thought was moderator indifference was actually a moderator who had her on ignore. :lol:

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Lsuoma wrote:
Dan wrote:Joé McKen has a new post up about Al and the Pit. http://preliatorcausa.blogspot.com/2012 ... .html#more
I noticed this earlier, but didn't bother to post. Joé? Really? Fucking hipster - perhaps he oughte toe teache Commmrraddeeee Physiowankereee howe toe usee hise fucken iPadddeeeeee?
I was kinda disappointed. Accurate transcript, yeah. Not hard to do. I speak pretty clearly most of the time. I had hoped he'd have come up with a new argument, or at least an interesting version of the usual ones. Instead, the same old 'meh.' Boring. Nothing to see here. Move on...

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There are some sick fucking people using this forum.

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F X wrote:There are some sick fucking people using this forum.
Would you care to elborate? If you are going to give an opinion, please back upmyour statements with examples/proof.

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Don't try to put your rules on me man.

Also, I have used that exact same avatar before, which is sort of creeping me out.

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Calling Submor a coward is not an insult. It is an accurate statement of what I think of him. I follow the rules of a community when I post to a community, so I am not disrespecting the moderators with an insult. I am simply raising a flag here for others before I move on.

I am not going to post further in this community. The atheist groups in my town were correct to warn me about A+. They told me that A+ is a circlejerk that tolerates no dissent. I gave you the benefit of the doubt and you blew it. I hope that you enjoy your tiny, insular circlejerk. I will discourage and oppose the A+ movement in any community I am active in, whenever the opportunity arises.

I have learned tonight that the A+ movement is biphobic and does not care about gender equality and seeks to push the genderqueer agenda at the direct expense of more equality and understanding. That is what people who ask me about A+ will hear.
From bubblesort.

It's fascinating reading that thread, thank you to whomever linked it - it's just a long, long list of things going wrong and people leaving in a huff.

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F X wrote:There are some sick fucking people using this forum.
Yeah, and?

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Whoh, we gots a snippy one here, kids.

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She would have been happier in the '80s

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Rystefn wrote:
F X wrote:There are some sick fucking people using this forum.
Yeah, and?
Allow me to translate into the Kings' English:

"Therest are physically I'll persons who, whilst engaging in copulation, also useth this communication venue"

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F X wrote:There are some sick fucking people using this forum.


Thank you. I resemble that remark.

:lol: :goatsebun:

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somedumbguy wrote:
Steersman wrote:
Futrelle wrote:Men’s Rights Redditor warns men: “Be careful with your sperm. Your very freedom is at stake.”
It's a feminist trope that this is not true, feminists have a few words for it to mock it, spermjacking, spermburgling, but sadly, it is more true than not.
Schrodinger’s spermburgler? That if might happen in a number of cases seems rather a questionable basis for acting in rather a paranoid fashion – as in the analogous case – by, apparently, tarring the whole sex with that rather wide brush.
From a quick read of the article it seems that the claimants don’t have much of a leg to stand on as it contravenes a “2007 Kansas Supreme Court ruling”.
There are many cases of courts going after men for child support when one or more of the following have occurred. ….
And how many is “many”? You have some documentary evidence on those numbers? Which might be a little hard to come by as I would think that in at least some of the cases you described the woman might have quite a different story to tell.

But even assuming that that scenario happens in more than a few cases I wonder how you would defend the two other examples I provided, the guy who was apparently defending pedophiles “raping” under-age prostitutes and the guy who said “women already have a dark and selfish nature”. Either that latter one qualifies as some seriously sloppy writing – he could have qualified that with “some” – or it qualifies as prima facie evidence of sexism if not misogyny.
Futrelle is the crackpot, don't you be one too.
Curious that he seems to have a similar opinion about a very large percentage of the whole men's rights movement. However, as mentioned, I’ll concede that his “logic” in many cases is decidedly questionable, but it seems that many of the “facts” he provides, even if he’s trying to fit them into a questionable thesis, suggest that more than a few guys flying the men’s-rights flag aren’t particularly nice people – to say the least. Not quite sure why you would apparently have some difficulty with the concept – a spectrum in demographic – since many here apparently don’t have much of a problem with it applied to feminists and to theists.

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Al Stefanelli wrote:
Rystefn wrote:
F X wrote:There are some sick fucking people using this forum.
Yeah, and?
Allow me to translate into the Kings' English:

"Therest are physically I'll persons who, whilst engaging in copulation, also useth this communication venue"
LoL... That = truth. Or, if not "whilst," at least "in near temporal proximity to."

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Lsuoma wrote:
TheMan wrote: PageNest is another alternative...not sure how it compares with HTTrack never used either but I have a friend who swears by PageNest.
My initial sniffing around leads me to believe that there is no way to snag a complete copy of a phpbb board without a lot of manual work (except for tiny boards) or a fair bit of php programming. I don't so php, but I'm teaching myself python, and that might be a suitable project for me to try out once I've got the basics down.
Still catching up on the pages that appeared while I was unconscious (yay being sick is fun) but this might help point you in a useful direction:

http://superuser.com/questions/116201/h ... hpbb-forum

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AchronTimeless wrote:
Lsuoma wrote:
TheMan wrote: PageNest is another alternative...not sure how it compares with HTTrack never used either but I have a friend who swears by PageNest.
My initial sniffing around leads me to believe that there is no way to snag a complete copy of a phpbb board without a lot of manual work (except for tiny boards) or a fair bit of php programming. I don't so php, but I'm teaching myself python, and that might be a suitable project for me to try out once I've got the basics down.
Still catching up on the pages that appeared while I was unconscious (yay being sick is fun) but this might help point you in a useful direction:

http://superuser.com/questions/116201/h ... hpbb-forum
From the same forum I linked earlier, another wget variant -

http://forum.httrack.com/readmsg/16539/16484/index.html

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Steersman wrote:
somedumbguy wrote:
Steersman wrote:
Futrelle wrote:Men’s Rights Redditor warns men: “Be careful with your sperm. Your very freedom is at stake.”
It's a feminist trope that this is not true, feminists have a few words for it to mock it, spermjacking, spermburgling, but sadly, it is more true than not.
Schrodinger’s spermburgler? That if might happen in a number of cases seems rather a questionable basis for acting in rather a paranoid fashion – as in the analogous case – by, apparently, tarring the whole sex with that rather wide brush.
Well then you're uninformed and you're taking your uninformed state and deciding that you must be right. But in fact you're uninformed and committing a huge fallacy.

So for instance, you're some dumbass on the internet, with no legal background, no knowledge that this occurs, and your first assumption is that this is not a big deal.

And no one is tarring the whole sex, except for Futrelle. Telling men that this is the current legal environment, these are the decisions that are being handed down, that's usually considered wise, except in your and Futrelle's and Feminist minds where you think discussing this is misogyny.

But here is Jonathan Turley, constitutional lawyer, professor, who can tell you this is a real issue. http://jonathanturley.org/2011/02/01/il ... e-herself/

Had you decided to do your homework instead of fall into a solipsistic fallacy that you think therefore you don't need to google, you would realize that when there are surveys showing plenty of women would lie about birth control, in an environment where states are told by the feds to go after fathers, that there is nothing extreme at all in telling people to be careful about their sperm.

And in fact, a usual comment at feminist forums that do discuss this, is to excoriate the men and blame them for the bad behavior of the woman as you are doing, and then tell them the same damn thing: becareful with your sperm, or don't have sex.

So thank you for being an ignorant dumbass, refusing to google, claiming a legal background you have never substantiated, relying on a bad source, and then choosing to ignore links and information I give you.

If you had a shred of intellectual curiosity about this, you would not be whining that this guy really is paranoid, but you would be doing some research to back up your claims.

But if you had that intellectual honesty, you would not be Steersman.
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I haven't finished reading everything (I'm back at page 786), but what's with (most) everyone getting on Eucliwood's ass? She wasn't doing so bad as a first poster on a forum with no edit function.

I really wouldn't like to witness a Pit pile-up for no reason.

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Ok, make that page 776...

And what's with that:
You cannot make another post so soon after your last
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

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AndrewV69 wrote:
Steersman wrote:As for an earlier comment of yours, I would say that while you may not have actually convinced me of anything, you’ve certainly provided quite a bit of welcome information on, among other things, the history of feminism and some very questionable aspects of it.
Anyway, I suggest you try this perspective also seeing as you may already be partly there. From whence come the baboons? What forces have shaped them?

My supposition is that they have gone through a process. I also posit that the MRAs that the baboons sneer upon (the Reddit MRAs as I think of them), are in fact their bretheren, but their response to the process has bent them differently.

Otherwise, they are interchangeable.
“Bent” is probably a quite descriptive and an entirely accurate word to apply in those cases – sort of like bimetal strips. But that doesn’t mean that the values that shaped each of those groups are necessarily the same – only that some of the underlying principles might be the same. In the same way that bimetal strips can be made with steel and copper or brass and copper while the principle – differential expansion – is the same in both cases.

However, from a less theoretical perspective you might be interested in this post by astrokid.nj in which he quotes from a book titled The New Thought Police:
Ms. Bruce talked about her book, The New Thought Police: Inside the Left’s Assault on Free Speech and Free Minds, published by Prima Publishing. The book discusses the Left’s impact on cultural issues in the United States. Ms. Bruce argues that the Left has created an environment in which legislation is used to control how people think and McCarthyite tactics are used to destroy those who express politically incorrect ideas. She discusses the cases of radio host Dr. Laura Schlesinger, Politically Incorrect host Bill Mahr, and murder victims Matthew Shepard and Daphne Sulk. Ms. Bruce also talks about her own experience working within the liberal organizations that she now criticizes. Ms. Bruce answered questions following her remarks.
The principle basically being, apparently, that all groups have a tendency to enforce a particular dogma, one way or another. [Joé McKen, please note]

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With all the baboons dog-piling on Shermer, it got me to dust off "Why People Believe Strange Things". Pertinent with all the cult stuff being discussed, and well worth revisiting, are the introduction notes about the cult of Ayn Rand and Objectivism -
Stephen J. Gould's intro -

The old cliché that eternal vigilance is the price of liberty must be the watchword of this movement, for if the apparently benign cult maintains the same structure of potentially potent irrationality as the overtly militant witch hunt, then we must be watchful and critical of all movement based on suppression of thought. I was most impressed, on this theme, by Shermer's analysis of the least likely candidate for potent harm — Ayn Rand's "Objectivist" movement, which would seem, at first glance, to be part of the solution rather than the problem. But Shermer shows that this sect, despite its brave words about logic and rational belief, acts as a true cult on two key criteria—first, the social phenomenon of demanding unquestioned loyalty to a leader (the cult of personalities), and second, the intellectual failure of a central irrationalism used as a criterion of potential membership (the false belief that morality can have a unique and objective state—to be determined and dictated, of course, by the cult leaders).
Shermer's intro -

The bane of hypocrisy is not its visibility to others, it is its invisibility to the practitioner. In his Sermon on the Mount, Jesus pointed out both the problem and the solution:

Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye. (Matthew 7:5)

While winding down a national publicity tour in the summer of 1997 for the hardcover edition of this book, I witnessed just such an example. I was scheduled to appear on a radio program hosted by Ayn Rand's hand-picked intellectual heir, Leonard Peikoff, the Objectivist philosopher who, like a medieval monk, has carried on Rand's flame of Truth through books, articles, and now his own radio show. We were told that Peikoff was interested in having me on because I had written a book praising the value of reason, the highest virtue in Objectivist philosophy. I assumed I was actually booked because I had written a chapter critical of Ayn Rand, and that Peikoff did not intend to allow this critique to go unchallenged. Frankly, I was a bit nervous about the appearance because, although I know Rand's philosophy fairly well (I have read all her major works and most of her minor ones) Peikoff is a bright, acerbic man who knows Rand's works chapter and verse and can quote them from memory. I have seen him reduce debate opponents to intellectual mush through wit and steel- cold logic. But I wrote what I wrote so I figured I would buck up and take it like a man.

Imagine my surprise, then, when my publicist informed me that the interview had been canceled because they took exception to my criticism of Rand's personality, movement, and followers, they objected to my classification of them as a cult, and they would not acknowledge a book that "contains libelous statements about Ms. Rand." Obviously, someone from the show had finally gotten around to reading the book. They said they would be happy to debate me on the metaphysics of absolute morality (they believe there is such a thing and that Rand discovered it), but not in a forum that would give recognition to my libelous book. The real irony of all this is that my chapter on Rand focuses on showing how one of the telltale signs of a cult is its inability or unwillingness to consider criticisms of the leader or the leader's beliefs. So, while denying they are a cult, Peikoff and his Ayn Rand Institute did precisely what a cult would do by squelching criticism.

Amazed that anyone could be this blind to such obvious hypocrisy, I called the producer myself and pointed out to him the two important caveats I included in that chapter: "One, criticism of the founder or followers of a philosophy does not, by itself, constitute a negation of any part of the philosophy. Two, criticism of part of a philosophy does not gainsay the whole." I explained to him that on many levels I have great respect for Rand. She is the embodiment of rugged individualism and unsullied rationalism. I embrace many of her economic philosophies. In a pluralistic age in search of nontraditional heroes, she stands out as one of the few women in a field dominated by men. I told him that I even have a picture of her on my wall. This got his attention for a moment so I asked him for a specific example of libel, since this is a mighty strong word that implies purposeful defamation. "Everything in the chapter is a libel of Ms. Rand," he concluded. "Give me just one example," I insisted. Did she not cuckold her husband? Did she not excommunicate followers who breached her absolute morality, even over such trivial matters as choice of music? He replied that he would have to reread the chapter. He never called back. (It is only fair to note that a very reasonable group of scholars at The Institute for Objectivist Studies, headed by David Kelly, are very open to criticism of Rand and do not hold her in worshipful esteem as "the greatest human being who ever lived," in the words of an earlier intellectual heir, Nathaniel Branden.)

Ayn Rand seems to generate strong emotions in anyone who encounters her work, both for and against. In addition to libel, I was accused of presenting nothing more than an ad hominem attack on Rand. I meant to do neither. I wanted merely to write a chapter on cults.

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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

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Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:I haven't finished reading everything (I'm back at page 786), but what's with (most) everyone getting on Eucliwood's ass? She wasn't doing so bad as a first poster on a forum with no edit function.

I really wouldn't like to witness a Pit pile-up for no reason.
I had to skim ~10 pages then skip ~10 pages, hard to keep up what with working then traveling. Would have been nice to catch up while on the plane but I didn't have the privilege of WiFi in-flight. :D Let me know when there's a chip & I can just plug the Slymepit into my brain & stream it live.

Anyway, it seems like Eucliwood jumped right in, making a bunch of posts in just a few days. Thing about this free-flowing megathread is that not every topic that comes up can be discussed to a natural conclusion, and not everyone needs to have a say on every topic that comes up. (Not that that's necessarily what Eucliwood was trying to do, but what I saw kinda looked like it.)

Reminds me of wind's early days at Atheism+ (from my lurking there) but I decided that it's quite unlikely they're the same person.

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Joe McKen:
As some of you may be aware (and not just because I mentioned it in last night’s Daily Blend), atheist journalist/activist Al Stefanelli recently made a video wherein he launched a veritable Gish Gallop’s worth of attacks and smears against several writers involved with Freethought Blogs (where he briefly resided)............. I was content to link to Ed Brayton’s excellent debunking and leave it at that (I found his comparison to the rhetoric from religious-Right cranks particularly fitting).
Joe is obviously using the Baboon definition of "debunking", the same "debunking" that Black Svan and PZ came up to counter Ed Clint's critique of Queen Bee's anti-evo psych talk. :lol:

What a fucking clown Joe McKen is.

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CommanderTuvok wrote:Joe McKen:
As some of you may be aware (and not just because I mentioned it in last night’s Daily Blend), atheist journalist/activist Al Stefanelli recently made a video wherein he launched a veritable Gish Gallop’s worth of attacks and smears against several writers involved with Freethought Blogs (where he briefly resided)............. I was content to link to Ed Brayton’s excellent debunking and leave it at that (I found his comparison to the rhetoric from religious-Right cranks particularly fitting).
Joe is obviously using the Baboon definition of "debunking", the same "debunking" that Black Svan and PZ came up to counter Ed Clint's critique of Queen Bee's anti-evo psych talk. :lol:

What a fucking clown Joe McKen is.
...where he briefly resided

Briefly, of course, meaning most of its existence, of course. Lmfao

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rayshul wrote:
Calling Submor a coward is not an insult. It is an accurate statement of what I think of him. ...
It's fascinating reading that thread, thank you to whomever linked it - it's just a long, long list of things going wrong and people leaving in a huff.
Mai and Xanthe both stepped down as mods, and Xanthe left? Anyone else?

And here are some choice quotes just from the past 24 hrs, in which we learn that being mean either is or is not abusive, that maybe intent does matter, and that attacking the idea is the same as attacking the person:
Grimalkin wrote:Even if, if Kassiane was really being abusive towards simpleflower, if she was really just horrible and toxic and vitriolic, and I'm going to qualify here that what the hell, she wasn't, she was the victim there. Even if she was in the wrong, Simpleflower had a long and thorny history of actively abusing and harassing members.

You could not disagree with her, even in the slightest, even to save your own goddamned skin, without unleashing a barrage of abuse onto yourself, and opening yourself up to harassment by her via every medium she could get her hands on to let you know how horrible and despicable a privileged asshole you were for not allowing her to always be right even in ways that were actively hurtful and bigoted. She did that shit to me. She PMed me hateful rants, and when I didn't respond to them she PMed me more for the crime of not responding to toxic hatred. She spammed my skype with such a dedicated torrent of spam that I had to block her to get her to stop. It was literally the most fucking cruel and hateful attack I've received from anyone the goddamned internet so far. That is how fucking bad of a member she was to deal with.

And I reported her posts. And her PMs. And I gave the mods the Skype logs. I let them see every goddamned punctuation mark of the abuse she gave me, and the mods assured me that something was going to be done. But it had to be done *carefully* because Simpleflower is *fragile*. Nothing ever happened. ...

And what happens when someone finally stands up to someone who was abusing them, who had a history of abusing others? A FUCKING MODERATOR DECIDES, NOT ONLY TO BLAME THE VICTIM (and all of the others of simpleflower, collectively) FOR BEING VICTIMS, BUT TO *IGNORE* THE VICTIM FOR THE CRIME OF NOT WANTING TO BE ANOTHER GODDAMNED VICTIM. How the fuck do you even justify that?

... As a mod, you don't ignore your users. You don't victim blame. You don't side with abusers. You don't favor certain users. You don't tell one person that you'll help and then chastise someone else for having the same problem (only not being *nice* and *passive* about it). You don't. You just fucking don't. That is wrong to a level that boggles my mind to think that some people aren't seeing a huge goddamned problem here.
Flewellyn wrote:I know intent isn't magic, but it's not irrelevant entirely.
Cipher wrote:No, Orenda, I'm suggesting that it's a problem to take seriously people proclaiming things "abusive" because they're mean. I think putting a rule in place against being mean would be idiotic.
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Orenda wrote:
Cipher wrote:
Orenda wrote:A rule saying "No personal attacks" you can attack what a person says, but not the person. Could work imho
You think people never thought of that? It was rejected for a reason.
Are you going to tell me the reason or do I have to guess?
It doesn't work. Functionally, you actually are your ideas on the internet. Allowing attacks upon ideas is the same as allowing attacks upon people. ...

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Steersman wrote:
Futrelle wrote:Men’s Rights Redditor warns men: “Be careful with your sperm. Your very freedom is at stake.”
Did you read the reddit message?

What did this crazy person say, except

1) The actual truth about child support orders, even those that occur under fraudulent conditions
2) Child support for an unwanted child will cost you $90K over 18 years?

Isn't what he says, guard your sperm, identical to what we tell men everyday, use a condom, think about whether you want kids or not?

Isn't what he says, exactly why women want abortion rights -- I am not prepared for the financial requirements of being a parent. I don't want to be a parent?

You read it with Futrelle's framing, and yeah, because you're an asshole you accept this man must be a misogynist jerk, Futrelle says so! But it's identical to the message we give everyday to every person that engages in sex. Use caution. Kids are expensive. You don't want an unplanned child.

Huffington Post September 2012: Despite the availability of contraception, over two in five women that don't want to get pregnant in the United States forgo any form of protection during sex, says a new survey, possibly because they misjudge how likely they are to get pregnant.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/2 ... 04802.html

Instead of using bullshit, fallacious, blaming name calling tactics, why don't you address the real issue and respond what is wrong with the information this guy was giving, and what is wrong with men discussing it?

Why is it anathema to you for men to discuss the financial implications of their reproductive choices?

http://i.imgur.com/bVAkr.jpg

Why is it okay for women to discuss whether men lie about cheating, whether men lie about being able to pay child support, whether men would lie about all sorts of stuff, but it's not okay for men to discuss if women might lie about being on birth control?

Why are there so many studies and magazine articles about lying, but it's verboten to suggest women might lie about birth control?

Why do you take David Futrelle's framing at face value? How come you are not skeptical about that?

Cafe Mom isn't scared to talk about it:

http://thestir.cafemom.com/love_sex/136 ... _ok_to_lie

Huffington Post / Black Voices is not afraid to talk about it:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/1 ... 34782.html

Circle of Moms is not afraid to talk about it:

http://www.circleofmoms.com/welcome-to- ... d-527363#_

The Journal of Medical Ethics is not afraid to talk about it:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2598159/

But Steersman, you, David Futrelle, and PZ Myers insist that for a man to discuss this is misogyny.

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http://i.imgur.com/cRwEA.png

Adam Lee is a stupid cunt

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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

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Eucliwood wrote:Dear...franc...

Using only yourself as a comparison as if everyone that's posted more than you by your time frame (basically, your posting rate) is a bit arrogant, franc. I notice that the exact number of posts, rather than a complaint about what you observe without going to check statistics, is the main thing here. If there was nothing to show you my amount of posts, what would you say? "Hey, Eucliwood, you're spamming Xthread, there are so many of your posts in a row compared to other posts on the page"? Because that's not what's happening, and as long as that's not happening, I don't see the issue.

As for the preview button, I don't know how many times I said it does nothing to fix the issue. I don't remember complaining that typos were the issue. Since you missed what the actual issue was, see my signature. I've already figured out a solution without your help.

I seem to get you really riled up. I suggest ignoring me, because every post you read of mine seems to irritate you a lot. I can't change the past, but I can improve the future, and I already have, by opening a new tab and refreshing to watch for new posts before I post so that I don't end up going "Oh, another thing I want to reply to!"
Searching the days posts to reply to everything that was said hours ago (and in individual posts, *ahem*. Hypocritical++) is what YOU did...and you ended up beating a dead horse.

As for the other members since I've joined, I lurk at some forums too. Take JREF, the most recent forum I've joined that I lurk on. Well, I don't regularly read the forums I'm lurking on, but yeah.

Dear...cunt...

Thank you for the consideration, but I'm not sure what a dog pile is. It's that thing in dominoes, right? I know that much.

Dear...Gefan...

I want to ask you, what is Simple Flower?

Dear...Reap...

I find it ironic that you tell me to "lurk moar" (An A+ move, btw) to figure out "how things work" around here and then tell me not to try so hard to fit in. These are conflicting messages. Unless that was sarcasm. Hm. Excuse my stupidity if it was. Either way, I will take the latter advice and continue not trying very hard at all to "fit in." I believe everyone being up front about what they're like is better.

As for input, I'm not sure what input you're talking about. I really hope you aren't attempting to bring up the stuff that was already put to death a while ago. If not, I have no idea what you mean. Clarify? :hand:

You also might want to look up the definition of internet troll. One can't be a troll without deliberately trolling.

You also might want to consider using more commas, because reading that all at once sounded sort of like a funny run on traffic jam of a post.
Dear fuckhead
get over yourself all your banter will get you nothing but ignored You have impressed no one and I'm sorry you don't have any friends but not at all surprised take all the commas I left out here and shove them up your ass you aren't my english teacher have a nice day and go fuck yourself.

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Well, to just add to the "spermburglar" conversation, I do have one bit of anecdotal evidence.

Back when I was still pretending to be a guy for the sake of other people, my wife came home from hanging out with her friends one night and told me how one of them had gotten a bit drunk and kept wanting to show them how to poke holes in a condom without leaving any marks on the wrapper, and how that's what she did to get her kids.

The sad part? Years later, she divorced the guy and tried to stick him with the kids. She doesn't want them. *shakes head*

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ReneeHendricks wrote:An update on my guy (ignore if you could not give a shit :)) - surgery has been scheduled for January 25th. I really love how they freak us out then we get to wait nearly 2 months before finding out more. Anyway, he's going to have the 3-4 cm lump on the side of his neck removed and looked at immediately for malignancy. I'm not completely certain but I believe based on this, they'll then put a camera down the back of his throat to look at an "anomaly". He's been told he will be in the hospital for 2-3 days and he's already attempting to buck that. I told him I would tell the nurses and doctors on him if he didn't comply. He's not happy about that.

Anyway, back to your regularly scheduled mayhem!
Renee, thanks for the update. That's a while to wait - how nerve-wracking!

Has he had a CT scan of his neck? And do you know how this "anomaly" in the back of his throat was found, and anything more about it?

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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

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Dan wrote:http://i.imgur.com/cRwEA.png

Adam Lee is a stupid cunt

It was the fake account sorry I should have checked.

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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

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Dan wrote:
Dan wrote:http://i.imgur.com/cRwEA.png

Adam Lee is a stupid cunt

It was the fake account sorry I should have checked.
Your observation is still correct so no worries

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