Lobby for proportional representation?LouFCD wrote:Obama isn't horrible, and I'd agree that he's the only viable option, but the President is somewhat of a Mr. Johnny-come-lately. There is an actual progressive third party in this country, and it's been around awhile. Look here. It's just not a real option so long as the Democrats know they can keep drifting to the right and they've got the progressives of the country in a hammerlock. What are we gonna do, hand the country over the wingnuts?BarnOwl wrote:US electoral smackdown from McCreight:
Obama isn’t perfect, but he’s the only option that supports equal civil rights for women, racial minorities, and LGBT individuals.
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Sure about that first part?LouFCD wrote:Obama isn't horrible, and I'd agree that he's the only viable option, but the President is somewhat of a Mr. Johnny-come-lately. There is an actual progressive third party in this country, and it's been around awhile. Look here. It's just not a real option so long as the Democrats know they can keep drifting to the right and they've got the progressives of the country in a hammerlock. What are we gonna do, hand the country over the wingnuts?BarnOwl wrote:US electoral smackdown from McCreight:Obama isn’t perfect, but he’s the only option that supports equal civil rights for women, racial minorities, and LGBT individuals.
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I can understand US progressives supporting him to avoid something even more horrible domestically, but Europeans should get their collective head out of his ass already, for starters.
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WHARRRGAARRRBBLL Pepsi product!11!!
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Also, why the fuck is there bottled water at a hotel banquet?
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That would be nice. I think I'll write an email to all American politicians asking them to look into it. I'm sure they'll see the fairness of that and get right on it. Forgive the snark and extreme cynicism I'm feeling this morning (still working on my caffeine injections), but money talks and equity can just fuck right off. Unless we can un-stupid a whole lot of people on the ground first, there's no way the progressive left can raise the kind of money the churches are dumping into the system.AnonymousCowherd wrote:Lobby for proportional representation?LouFCD wrote:Obama isn't horrible, and I'd agree that he's the only viable option, but the President is somewhat of a Mr. Johnny-come-lately. There is an actual progressive third party in this country, and it's been around awhile. Look here. It's just not a real option so long as the Democrats know they can keep drifting to the right and they've got the progressives of the country in a hammerlock. What are we gonna do, hand the country over the wingnuts?BarnOwl wrote:US electoral smackdown from McCreight:
Obama isn’t perfect, but he’s the only option that supports equal civil rights for women, racial minorities, and LGBT individuals.
...or I may just be cranky because the caffeine hasn't clogged up enough adenosine receptors yet (or however that works...).
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Fair points, and I agree. I should have said, "Obama isn't as horrible as Romney", but I too am (sadly) subject to the principle of the Overton Window, it would seem.windy wrote:Sure about that first part?LouFCD wrote: Obama isn't horrible, and I'd agree that he's the only viable option, but the President is somewhat of a Mr. Johnny-come-lately. There is an actual progressive third party in this country, and it's been around awhile. Look here. It's just not a real option so long as the Democrats know they can keep drifting to the right and they've got the progressives of the country in a hammerlock. What are we gonna do, hand the country over the wingnuts?
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I can understand US progressives supporting him to avoid something even more horrible domestically, but Europeans should get their collective head out of his ass already, for starters.
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Gosh, hadn't they thought of PR before? It's quite common elsewhere you know. Blink, blink.LouFCD wrote:That would be nice. I think I'll write an email to all American politicians asking them to look into it. I'm sure they'll see the fairness of that and get right on it. Forgive the snark and extreme cynicism I'm feeling this morning (still working on my caffeine injections), but money talks and equity can just fuck right off. Unless we can un-stupid a whole lot of people on the ground first, there's no way the progressive left can raise the kind of money the churches are dumping into the system.AnonymousCowherd wrote:Lobby for proportional representation?LouFCD wrote:Obama isn't horrible, and I'd agree that he's the only viable option, but the President is somewhat of a Mr. Johnny-come-lately. There is an actual progressive third party in this country, and it's been around awhile. Look here. It's just not a real option so long as the Democrats know they can keep drifting to the right and they've got the progressives of the country in a hammerlock. What are we gonna do, hand the country over the wingnuts?BarnOwl wrote:US electoral smackdown from McCreight:
Obama isn’t perfect, but he’s the only option that supports equal civil rights for women, racial minorities, and LGBT individuals.
...or I may just be cranky because the caffeine hasn't clogged up enough adenosine receptors yet (or however that works...).
(/apparent obtuseness.)
I'd be cynical if I lived in the US. Hell, I'm cynical about your election from here, even. It's not much of a choice you have. Just a question of which invisible hands are driving the sockpuppets, like a lot of places these days.
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It's all about voting for the lesser of two evils at this point and it pisses me off. I *want* to give my vote to Gary Johnson. But then, as we are setup the way we are for voting purposes, it's akin to taking my vote and tossing it out the fucking window.LouFCD wrote:Fair points, and I agree. I should have said, "Obama isn't as horrible as Romney", but I too am (sadly) subject to the principle of the Overton Window, it would seem.windy wrote:Sure about that first part?LouFCD wrote: Obama isn't horrible, and I'd agree that he's the only viable option, but the President is somewhat of a Mr. Johnny-come-lately. There is an actual progressive third party in this country, and it's been around awhile. Look here. It's just not a real option so long as the Democrats know they can keep drifting to the right and they've got the progressives of the country in a hammerlock. What are we gonna do, hand the country over the wingnuts?
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I can understand US progressives supporting him to avoid something even more horrible domestically, but Europeans should get their collective head out of his ass already, for starters.
Not pleased at all that I'm forced into the "lesser of two evils" position :(
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Thanks, that actually made me chuckle for some reason, and improved my mood significantly. :)AnonymousCowherd wrote:
Gosh, hadn't they thought of PR before? It's quite common elsewhere you know. Blink, blink.
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I tend to see the two major American political parties as a choice betweenAnonymousCowherd wrote:I'd be cynical if I lived in the US. Hell, I'm cynical about your election from here, even. It's not much of a choice you have. Just a question of which invisible hands are driving the sockpuppets, like a lot of places these days.
A: The Party of Completely and Utterly Batshit Fucking Insane
B: The Party of Slightly Less Batshit Fucking Insane
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Can we have a US Politics/Elections thread?
Not that I don't care, but...
Not that I don't care, but...
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Re: the book discussion from a page or three back-
From here.“They are totally divorced from reality,†said Myers, a prolific science blogger and professor of biology at the University of Minnesota, Morris, best known for his online disputes with creationists.
Myers, whose new book, “The Happy Atheist,†comes out this summer, was one of the keynote speakers at CSICon, a meeting of skeptics, atheists and other nonbelievers held this week at the Music City Sheraton.
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I suppose they provide tap water for those who prefer it. I for one like my water carbonated and non-chlorinated. And my food non-vegan. And my civil aviation functional and readily available. The "environmentalists" are free to implement their pseudo-solutions to problems with technological and scientific answer in their own fucking sandal-wearing communities.BarnOwl wrote: Also, why the fuck is there bottled water at a hotel banquet?
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I know women who belong to the Survival and Primitive skill groups I do who are also avid hikers. And I mean mountain goat long hard hikers. They could carry a pack on a 10k hike and otherwise the requirements for being in the infantry. They don't bitch on a winter overnight when it gets down to 20 degree below frost. Any woman that could fire my Mossberg 500 Persuader with 3" magnum bear slugs (Read: No fun whatsoever) can handle most light infantry weapons.Michael K Gray wrote:Yes: Some women are better at your listed tasks than some men.JackRayner wrote:So tell MKG, if you're still hanging on to your view by the time I hit the "summit" button: Can you name a single pragmatic reason why women should be allowed in the infantry?
Barring these women by default is counter-productive.
People can't argue on the basis of "the average woman" or the "average man", which seems to be some of the underlying thinking.
I don't agree with lowering standards. But I think there are a lot of women who can meet them.
I can see "not allowing women" as a reaction to there being a very different set of standards for men and women which will translate into "In case of emergency, use male for heavy lifting", but barring women as a group? Really?
Something to that. I was so expectant when Obama was elected, that some ass would be kicked and names taken, perhaps even a New New Deal. That moment came and went (as did, by design, the up-swell of civic thinking following 9/11). In the wake of the banking scandal Obama made sure that GM workers made concessions, while his boys at Goldman Sachs never lost a dime on their throwing good money after bad with AIG.windy wrote:Sure about that first part?LouFCD wrote:Obama isn't horrible, and I'd agree that he's the only viable option, but the President is somewhat of a Mr. Johnny-come-lately. There is an actual progressive third party in this country, and it's been around awhile. Look here. It's just not a real option so long as the Democrats know they can keep drifting to the right and they've got the progressives of the country in a hammerlock. What are we gonna do, hand the country over the wingnuts?BarnOwl wrote:US electoral smackdown from McCreight:Obama isn’t perfect, but he’s the only option that supports equal civil rights for women, racial minorities, and LGBT individuals.
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I can understand US progressives supporting him to avoid something even more horrible domestically, but Europeans should get their collective head out of his ass already, for starters.
Obama has been a major appointment's. Especially his craven unwillingness to fight the increasingly entrenched and irrational right wing that only cares about taxes and deregulation and would ship the National Archives, Bill of Rights and all, to China if they had half a chance.
His one saving grace is that he's not Romney. The Republicans see to be, more and more, fronting absolute ciphers who will carry out whatever empty-headed, destructive policy.
However, in Jen McCreight's case I'm probably going to not give a shit about abortion, for example. I'm in favor of legal abortion, but as I'm really not effected by it, and Jen McCreight really doesn't give a shit about any issue that doesn't effect her or those she identifies with, why should I care what Romney might do?
You know what's sad? As much as I try not to be effected by being immersed in the "men are all rapists" thinking. Just before I had fucked off to the laundry room and got my stuff out of the dryer. I was folding my patriarchal man-pants when one of the 20-something women walked in. More and more when I see women that I don't know, especially when they are of the fully indoctrinated age, I try not to acknowledge their presence at all. Someone I know, I will, from a "s'up" head nod to an acknowledgement that it's about time they did some laundry.
She got nothing. I saw her come in, I looked down. Unless I have any reason to I won't even acknowledge a woman is there when I'm alone with a stranger in this way. If she asks me if a machine is working or something else, I tend to say "I don't know", because it's the safest thing to say. Because, quite frankly, when I'm alone with a woman I don't know like that, even in a public space, my aim is to get out of there with some alacrity.
And so the men liked pigs and the pigs looked like men.
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You just arent an environmentalist like those A+ers. You just. Dont. Get it.BarnOwl wrote:WHARRRGAARRRBBLL Pepsi product!11!!
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The bottled water pseudo-problem was solved more than a decade ago in most of Europe. It didn't involve bitching against what people chooses to drink or turning the clock back to the nineteenth century.ERV wrote: You just arent an environmentalist like those A+ers. You just. Dont. Get it.
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Tap water is still a choice at most US hotels that I'm familiar with, but in the last decade or so, I've only gone to scientific meetings that are local or within two days' drive. In the not-so-distant past, pitchers of ice water and glasses were available in the back of the conference rooms at scientific meetings. I'm probably spoiled here, because our tap water comes from an aquifer, and requires minimal chlorination. At work I can fill up a reusable container with filtered tap water - it's not a big deal to travel with the container, and fill it at water fountains. Most bottled water in the US is just filtered tap water anyway.decius wrote:The bottled water pseudo-problem was solved more than a decade ago in most of Europe. It didn't involve bitching against what people chooses to drink or turning the clock back to the nineteenth century.ERV wrote: You just arent an environmentalist like those A+ers. You just. Dont. Get it.
Almost everyone on this forum bitches about some aspect of FC(n)/A+ behavior - seems to me that it's up to the individual 'Pitter to choose what to bitch about.
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Once again, had to...ReneeHendricks wrote:Not pleased at all that I'm forced into the "lesser of two evils" position :(
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Bitch away freely, by all means.BarnOwl wrote: Tap water is still a choice at most US hotels that I'm familiar with, but in the last decade or so, I've only gone to scientific meetings that are local or within two days' drive. In the not-so-distant past, pitchers of ice water and glasses were available in the back of the conference rooms at scientific meetings. I'm probably spoiled here, because our tap water comes from an aquifer, and requires minimal chlorination. At work I can fill up a reusable container with filtered tap water - it's not a big deal to travel with the container, and fill it at water fountains. Most bottled water in the US is just filtered tap water anyway.
Almost everyone on this forum bitches about some aspect of FC(n)/A+ behavior - seems to me that it's up to the individual 'Pitter to choose what to bitch about.
Here's my unsolicited opinion. Your brand of environmentalism is ineffective, regressive, depressive for the economy and - if implemented - would cost countless jobs to real people.
Sure, water from aquifer is a decent substitute, especially for bottled tap water, but not for quality mineral water. Conferences via video-link are no substitute for meeting, and socialising with, people in meatspace, at best they're an alternative to commercial TV.
Next, we'll all be expected to live like fucking Amish - no, thanks.
Moreover, there exist effective, if imperfect, technological solutions to these problems, which could have been implemented already many years ago, had the public known what to actually demand from their politicians, en lieu of naive expectations.
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http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x17/ ... epalm2.gifMichael K Gray wrote:It certainly came across as EXACTLY that. With the old goalpost positions, that is.JackRayner wrote:"better [...] than some men" does not mean they will be worth anything as a grunt. Not all men are built to be grunts, either. This isn't my argument.Michael K Gray wrote:Yes: Some women are better at your listed tasks than some men.JackRayner wrote:So tell MKG, if you're still hanging on to your view by the time I hit the "summit" button: Can you name a single pragmatic reason why women should be allowed in the infantry?
Barring these women by default is counter-productive.Wow. If I ever need some goalposts shifted, I'll look you up in the Yellow pages.JackRayner wrote: If I can restate it, I would ask for you to present some pragmatically valid reasons why allowing women into infantry units* would make these units better at their jobs.
Okay. So, there are two different things going on here. One is the question I asked you specifically, which you seem to have misunderstood. The other is what standards I think women should meet to be allowed into the infantry. Integrating women, whether fit or unfit, will not be anything short of a logistical nightmare. I'll spell a few of these out, without needing to even think long: Separate living quarters, separate bathrooms, female specific hygiene and medical concerns, reproduction [Yes, women get pregnant, even while deployed. One of the women in my company did while out in goddamn Iraq.], political correctness. Only an idiot would believe that the only difference would be in genitalia and that all work would resume as was usual prior to such an integration.
When I originally asked the question, I thought about wording it as "If I was the commander of an infantry division, what would you say to convince me that all of the money and work that it is going to take to integrate women into the infantry will be worth it?", but being in love with brevity and being naive enough to think that you wouldn't get emotional, I went with "pragmatism" instead. I'll take the hit for that.
Then, when I restated it, I again left out what was my original though and should have been my original question. I'll take the hit for not spelling it out for you there, too. I'M SORRY!!!!!!1
Am I going to need to explain what pragmatism [the part that you seem to be conveniently ignoring] means? Integrating women into the infantry for pragmatic reasons means the benefits of their integration would outweigh the costs. Something they bring to infantry combat has to outweigh, to the point of at least coming out even, all of the logistical/political/sexual-behavioral/whatever issues that will arise from integration. This is different than integrating them out of principle.From "should be allowed into the infantry" to "make these units better at their jobs" in one easy swoop!
- Aesthetically, I would prefer to own and drive an Infiniti G37. Pragmatically, the cost of owning the car would far outweigh the benefits.
- In principle* , women who meet the standards should be allowed into the infantry**. Pragmatically, the cost of integration far outweighs any advantages*** gained from their inclusion.
*The Marine Corps does not function based on principle.
**I agree with this statement, but is is not related to my question.
***THIS WAS MY QUESTION. Name advantages that outweigh the cost!
1] As I've made plain in follow up posts, if a woman can meet the standards then I'm fine with them earning the job. This wasn't my question, however. 2] Defeated? Are you a child? Who claims victory so quickly, and when they've made it apparent that they're missing pieces of the puzzle? 3] You conveniently ignored "pragmatic". If you don't like the question, don't answer it. Acting like I asked a different question is dishonest. I didn't ask you if some women can outperform some men, or even to prove that some could perform the work. I said it myself; "Can some females hack it? Of course..." AGAIN. This wasn't my concern.I explained clearly why women should be allowed to apply for infantry duty, on the same terms as are men.
As did another poster.
Equality of Opportunity.
Then, defeated, you shift the goal-posts to imply that I should have answered a question that:
1) You did not ask
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2) I did not imply.
Are you a gender ideologue, by any chance? :lol:You aren't a creationist by any chance?
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: It's Ok, MKG. You missed the point of the question! Hell, you are even conflating it with my personal philosophy. No need to throw a hissy fit over it. :violin:(Rhetorical) Why on earth do you wish the entry of females to "make these units better at their jobs", rather than maintain the status quo?
No, I think that I know. It is because your question was answered clearly and satisfactorily, yet that does not fit in with your clearly misogynist agendum.
Yes, I said "misogynist", for that is exactly what comes across with your expressions of your attitude toward ALL females, competent or not, being "permitted" (for fuck's sake) into combat rôles because in your opinion, they would not "make units BETTER"!!
Dictionary definition.
More goal shifting, even thought that's a rewording of the sentence that immediately follows the original question you misunderstood?I'll call you a sexist tosspot if you prefer.JackRayner wrote:Call me a physical elitistMore shifting of several goal-posts.JackRayner wrote:Like I said before, the realities of combat will not ease up just because a unit's standards did...
Go back and look, dude. It's all there. Geez. I used to think that you were cool. What happened? Weak show, man. Weak show! :roll:JackieRayner wrote:So tell MKG, if you're still hanging on to your view by the time I hit the "summit" button: Can you name a single pragmatic reason why women should be allowed in the infantry? Unlike the military's physical standards, the necessities of combat will not make themselves more comfortable to women's specific needs or physiological limitations...
It shouldn't. Now please answer my question. ;)I ask you: why should it matter what sex one is if one can do the job?
I bet you cannot answer succinctly and coherently.
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As a practical example, for nearly twenty years we've had the necessary technology to build the NextGen air traffic control systerm. Incompetence and lack of vision are still standing on the way of making enormous savings in time and fuel consumption without depriving ourselves of a functioning civil aviation. Yet, hardly anyone has heard of it.
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The A-plussers keep exposing new kinds of privilege:
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How long before these Social Justice Warriors accuse somebody of being privileged for not being privileged?
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How long before these Social Justice Warriors accuse somebody of being privileged for not being privileged?
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Don't forget "and children of all ages." Check your privilege for being able to act like a child when really an adult. There are adults all over the world, especially in third-world countries, who do not have the freedom to act like a child.Jan Steen wrote:The A-plussers keep exposing new kinds of privilege:
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How long before these Social Justice Warriors accuse somebody of being privileged for not being privileged?
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Temper temper.
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Lots of guests. Whats going on?
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Last night:cunt wrote:Lots of guests. Whats going on?
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Can't be atheism+ then :lol:Al Stefanelli wrote:Last night:cunt wrote:Lots of guests. Whats going on?
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It is bloody busy at the moment. Maybe one of the lurkers can post as a guest and enlighten us?cunt wrote:Lots of guests. Whats going on?
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Maybe a commenter mentioned/linked to the pit in that terrible "article" that Becky wrote for Slate? I dunno. Seems unlikely, not that it's out of my mind and in front of me as text....Tigzy wrote:It is bloody busy at the moment. Maybe one of the lurkers can post as a guest and enlighten us?cunt wrote:Lots of guests. Whats going on?
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Fixed. That typo made too big of a change to leave alone. :?JackRayner wrote:Maybe a commenter mentioned/linked to the pit in that terrible "article" that Becky wrote for Slate? I dunno. Seems unlikely,Tigzy wrote:It is bloody busy at the moment. Maybe one of the lurkers can post as a guest and enlighten us?cunt wrote:Lots of guests. Whats going on?notnow that it's out of my mind and in front of me as text....
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The ONLY option? What happened to third party candidates?BarnOwl wrote:US electoral smackdown from McCreight:
In essence I agree with most of her points, but of course she neglects to mention that most USAians who live at the poverty line don't receive regular infusions of cash from mommy and daddy.Obama isn’t perfect, but he’s the only option that supports equal civil rights for women, racial minorities, and LGBT individuals. And to me nothing more is important in my country than equal rights for all. If you put your pocketbooks ahead of equality, you’re selfish and downright immoral. My grad student stipend is technically at the poverty line for Washington state, and I would still happily pay higher taxes if it meant providing social services and helping those who need it the most. Heaven forbid I don’t have the luxury of an iPhone because I think someone’s children having food on the table is more important.
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Fuck me running... That should be:
Today's Lulz: Transgendered Weapons of the Third Reich[/b]
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http://troglopundit.files.wordpress.com ... u-2012.jpgjustinvacula wrote:The ONLY option? What happened to third party candidates?BarnOwl wrote:US electoral smackdown from McCreight:
In essence I agree with most of her points, but of course she neglects to mention that most USAians who live at the poverty line don't receive regular infusions of cash from mommy and daddy.Obama isn’t perfect, but he’s the only option that supports equal civil rights for women, racial minorities, and LGBT individuals. And to me nothing more is important in my country than equal rights for all. If you put your pocketbooks ahead of equality, you’re selfish and downright immoral. My grad student stipend is technically at the poverty line for Washington state, and I would still happily pay higher taxes if it meant providing social services and helping those who need it the most. Heaven forbid I don’t have the luxury of an iPhone because I think someone’s children having food on the table is more important.
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The Russians covered it for us. Благодарю ВаÑ, матьBarnOwl wrote:The ONLY option? What happened to third party candidates?
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I can pretty much guarantee that the bottled water in the photo was not "quality mineral water." I don't disagree that there are effective technical solutions to many environmental problems, but it's ridiculous to dismiss environmental concerns as all being ineffective, regressive and depressive for the economy. I could buy a new Chevy Suburban every two years and drive it to work every day; I can afford it, and it would be good for the domestic economy, but that doesn't mean it's a reasonable thing to do. I'm not sure how you could possibly know what my "brand of environmentalism" entails in any case, and as a biomedical researcher and minimally successful backyard gardener, I'm certainly not expecting anyone, including myself, to live like the Amish.decius wrote: Here's my unsolicited opinion. Your brand of environmentalism is ineffective, regressive, depressive for the economy and - if implemented - would cost countless jobs to real people.
Sure, water from aquifer is a decent substitute, especially for bottled tap water, but not for quality mineral water. Conferences via video-link are no substitute for meeting, and socialising with, people in meatspace, at best they're an alternative to commercial TV.
Next, we'll all be expected to live like fucking Amish - no, thanks.
Moreover, there exist effective, if imperfect, technological solutions to these problems, which could have been implemented already many years ago, had the public known what to actually demand from their politicians, en lieu of naive expectations.
One of the things we do in this forum is point out and document the hypocrisies of the FC(n) and A+ers. I'm really not fond of all the fat-shaming and fat jokes that are posted here, and the FC(n)/A+ers have not been hypocritical in that arena - but I'm not going to tell other 'Pitters to stop posting what they want to post. Environmentalism, however, is an arena in which the FC(n) display hypocritical behavior, and so yeah, I'm going to post about it.
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Sorry, being US-centric: for those 'Pitters not familiar with our vehicles, the Suburban is a large SUV.
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Nowt wrong with a few fat jokes - and I speak as someone getting a bit on the chubby side meself. Way I see it, if you're not bothered about being porky, fat jokes aren't going to bother you. If they do, then your problem is not so much about the jokes, but with being fat. In which case, eating less and exercising more should be higher on the list of priorities than being upset with a few piss-takes.BarnOwl wrote: I'm really not fond of all the fat-shaming and fat jokes that are posted here, and the FC(n)/A+ers have not been hypocritical in that arena - but I'm not going to tell other 'Pitters to stop posting what they want to post.
In fact, fat jokes could be seen as a good motivator in encouraging people who don't like being fat in taking up exercise and diet. So it's kind of a good thing, really.
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Editing now -it's going to be a 'Special edition' of the ReapSowRadio podcast -have it done later todayJackRayner wrote::lol:Mykeru wrote:No, of course not, you fucking misogynist.Al Stefanelli wrote:This oughta raise some hell: Are Men's Rights Legitimate?
Just finished with Reap. Topics discussed include:
[*]Al Stefanelli raped me.
[*]JackRayner: Digital penetration with a smile.
[*]Justin Vacula, "Rapeula"
[*]Phil_Giordana_FCD, The art of the stealth pearl necklace.
[*]Welch: With a name like "Smuckers" it has to be rape.
[*]ReneeHendricks : Two more shots and it'll be double rape.
[*]Cunt: Cunt
[*]Rystefn: Everyone line up for some rape
[*]Ophelia Benson: What cunt said, cunt.
And, of course, everyone else.
Be sure to let us know when that goes up, Reap!
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Tigzy - With respect - FUCK ALL OVER THAT. As a type 2 diabetic, who has weight issues due to HIGH BLOOD GLUCOSE LEVELS, and nothing to do with fucking exercise, fucking eating less and fucking dickheads who know nothing about what's wrong with dieting, the "healthy" five a day crap, the useless "Reduce your cholesterol levels" and all the other shit people come out with as an excuse to use "fat" as the new sub-human class, I get really pissed off when sceptics buy into this woo-woo.
I eat loads of fat, loads of calories now, and am losing weight. I never lost weight by dieting and 'eating healthily'. So making fun of fat people really doesn't help, not in the way you are implying. It makes them more depressed, feel more of a failure and stops them from seeking the real culprit for their obesity.
I eat loads of fat, loads of calories now, and am losing weight. I never lost weight by dieting and 'eating healthily'. So making fun of fat people really doesn't help, not in the way you are implying. It makes them more depressed, feel more of a failure and stops them from seeking the real culprit for their obesity.
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Currently I teeter on the border of normal weight/overweight, but I exercise daily, have freakish endurance for my age, and eat a healthy diet, and my primary care physician hasn't expressed any concerns whatsoever. I'm undoubtedly sensitive about it, though, and my non-USAian friends (mostly South American or European) tease and poke and criticize me about my weight incessantly. Fat-shaming is pretty low-hanging fruit when it comes to criticizing the FC(n) and A+ers, and I really haven't seen them being hypocritical about it - but again, that's my perspective as a USAian.Tigzy wrote:Nowt wrong with a few fat jokes - and I speak as someone getting a bit on the chubby side meself. Way I see it, if you're not bothered about being porky, fat jokes aren't going to bother you. If they do, then your problem is not so much about the jokes, but with being fat. In which case, eating less and exercising more should be higher on the list of priorities than being upset with a few piss-takes.BarnOwl wrote: I'm really not fond of all the fat-shaming and fat jokes that are posted here, and the FC(n)/A+ers have not been hypocritical in that arena - but I'm not going to tell other 'Pitters to stop posting what they want to post.
In fact, fat jokes could be seen as a good motivator in encouraging people who don't like being fat in taking up exercise and diet. So it's kind of a good thing, really.
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Am I wrong or being completely obtuse here?
I've been reading quite a bit lately on the usage of pronouns and such that ensures we aren't limiting things to a binary (male/female) state and I'm frustrated. Not because I don't feel those who do not feel comfortable with a 1 or 2 state should be excluded but rather because the English language is freaking hard enough as it is. Adding more words and more complex meanings seems to me to ensure (in the long run) a complete fuckery of the language.
I remember reading not too long ago that people coming from other countries into the US, trying to learn the language, are struck by how so many words sound so similar and yet have very different meanings. That's just the tip of the iceberg for those learning the English language.
I'm going to just apologize in advance and say I'll be a horrible person and just stick with the language set I already have. Feel free to berate me or call me an ass but I don't have enough years on this planet left to learn an entire new subset of the English language.
I've been reading quite a bit lately on the usage of pronouns and such that ensures we aren't limiting things to a binary (male/female) state and I'm frustrated. Not because I don't feel those who do not feel comfortable with a 1 or 2 state should be excluded but rather because the English language is freaking hard enough as it is. Adding more words and more complex meanings seems to me to ensure (in the long run) a complete fuckery of the language.
I remember reading not too long ago that people coming from other countries into the US, trying to learn the language, are struck by how so many words sound so similar and yet have very different meanings. That's just the tip of the iceberg for those learning the English language.
I'm going to just apologize in advance and say I'll be a horrible person and just stick with the language set I already have. Feel free to berate me or call me an ass but I don't have enough years on this planet left to learn an entire new subset of the English language.
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Oh, and another topic that has peeved me over the past 24 hours - Zinnia Jones' bitching about Cenk Uygur using "non-straight sex" to describe sex between a man and transgendered woman.
I talked to my guy about this last night. I asked him "what is straight sex, to you?" His answer, "sex between a man and a woman". So, then I told him about Zinnia's post recently and asked him if he knew of a word or phrase that would be appropriate to describe sex between people who don't fit the binary or where one person does but the other does not and excluding both straight sex and gay sex from the results. He had no answer other than "non-straight". He's a pretty fucking smart guy - one of the smartest guys I know.
Is this another fucking case of "we need to create a word for that so people won't be offended"?
I talked to my guy about this last night. I asked him "what is straight sex, to you?" His answer, "sex between a man and a woman". So, then I told him about Zinnia's post recently and asked him if he knew of a word or phrase that would be appropriate to describe sex between people who don't fit the binary or where one person does but the other does not and excluding both straight sex and gay sex from the results. He had no answer other than "non-straight". He's a pretty fucking smart guy - one of the smartest guys I know.
Is this another fucking case of "we need to create a word for that so people won't be offended"?
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Shit, I can't keep up and I'm a professional writer. Seems every week there's a new definition for something being tramped out onto the runway of literary terminology. As well, there seems to be almost no slack cut for a first offense, either. Hell, I spend quite a bit of time advocating for the LGBT community, which includes writing letters, promoting protests and sending briefs of amicus curai to various courts.ReneeHendricks wrote:Am I wrong or being completely obtuse here?
I've been reading quite a bit lately on the usage of pronouns and such that ensures we aren't limiting things to a binary (male/female) state and I'm frustrated. Not because I don't feel those who do not feel comfortable with a 1 or 2 state should be excluded but rather because the English language is freaking hard enough as it is. Adding more words and more complex meanings seems to me to ensure (in the long run) a complete fuckery of the language.
I remember reading not too long ago that people coming from other countries into the US, trying to learn the language, are struck by how so many words sound so similar and yet have very different meanings. That's just the tip of the iceberg for those learning the English language.
I'm going to just apologize in advance and say I'll be a horrible person and just stick with the language set I already have. Feel free to berate me or call me an ass but I don't have enough years on this planet left to learn an entire new subset of the English language.
During this, I have spoken to literally hundreds of LGBT human beings and not once, mind you, has anyone told me that the word 'tranny' was offensive. So, when I used it (innocently) 'someone' not only called me out on it, but implied that I was being transphobic.
What the actual fuck...?
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I can't be bothered to go back and see exactly who I was having the exchange with, but here is footage that shows that Felix Batwgjfvcjkarsgniwu3r made a sonic boom when he broke the sound barrier on his jump. http://www.grindtv.com/outdoor/blog/382 ... c+skydive/ [Listen closely at the 25 second mark.]
If it's true, then that's fucking amazing. :clap:
If it's true, then that's fucking amazing. :clap:
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Just imagine what happened when he broke the light barrier!JackRayner wrote:I can't be bothered to go back and see exactly who I was having the exchange with, but here is footage that shows that Felix Batwgjfvcjkarsgniwu3r made a sonic boom when he broke the sound barrier on his jump. http://www.grindtv.com/outdoor/blog/382 ... c+skydive/ [Listen closely at the 25 second mark.]
If it's true, then that's fucking amazing. :clap:
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Gumby wrote:Just imagine what happened when he broke the light barrier!JackRayner wrote:I can't be bothered to go back and see exactly who I was having the exchange with, but here is footage that shows that Felix Batwgjfvcjkarsgniwu3r made a sonic boom when he broke the sound barrier on his jump. http://www.grindtv.com/outdoor/blog/382 ... c+skydive/ [Listen closely at the 25 second mark.]
If it's true, then that's fucking amazing. :clap:
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Did they really put that up during broadcast? Dammit, why didn't I hear about this before?!
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Waah, waah, it's not my fault I'm fat, it's because etc. etc.GenerallyFading wrote:Tigzy - With respect - FUCK ALL OVER THAT. As a type 2 diabetic, who has weight issues due to HIGH BLOOD GLUCOSE LEVELS, and nothing to do with fucking exercise, fucking eating less and fucking dickheads who know nothing about what's wrong with dieting, the "healthy" five a day crap, the useless "Reduce your cholesterol levels" and all the other shit people come out with as an excuse to use "fat" as the new sub-human class, I get really pissed off when sceptics buy into this woo-woo.
I eat loads of fat, loads of calories now, and am losing weight. I never lost weight by dieting and 'eating healthily'. So making fun of fat people really doesn't help, not in the way you are implying. It makes them more depressed, feel more of a failure and stops them from seeking the real culprit for their obesity.
Sorry. Seen too many overweight people complain about being fat because of their diabetes/glands/big bones whatever. Then one day they take up regular exercise and start eating less (and not those 'diet foods', which are packed with sugar and/or high fructose corn syrup - which may be worse in calorific terms that fat itself) and generally find themselves amazed that they are...losing weight.
Funny how you never see a fat person when a news crew is reporting from some area blighted by famine.
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Yep, they sure did. Many a laugh was had at their expense, of course.JackRayner wrote: Did they really put that up during broadcast? Dammit, why didn't I hear about this before?!
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That's just it - *every* week we're told there's yet another word/phrase we should use and to throw out the one's we've just started to remember to use.Al Stefanelli wrote:Shit, I can't keep up and I'm a professional writer. Seems every week there's a new definition for something being tramped out onto the runway of literary terminology. As well, there seems to be almost no slack cut for a first offense, either. Hell, I spend quite a bit of time advocating for the LGBT community, which includes writing letters, promoting protests and sending briefs of amicus curai to various courts.ReneeHendricks wrote:Am I wrong or being completely obtuse here?
I've been reading quite a bit lately on the usage of pronouns and such that ensures we aren't limiting things to a binary (male/female) state and I'm frustrated. Not because I don't feel those who do not feel comfortable with a 1 or 2 state should be excluded but rather because the English language is freaking hard enough as it is. Adding more words and more complex meanings seems to me to ensure (in the long run) a complete fuckery of the language.
I remember reading not too long ago that people coming from other countries into the US, trying to learn the language, are struck by how so many words sound so similar and yet have very different meanings. That's just the tip of the iceberg for those learning the English language.
I'm going to just apologize in advance and say I'll be a horrible person and just stick with the language set I already have. Feel free to berate me or call me an ass but I don't have enough years on this planet left to learn an entire new subset of the English language.
During this, I have spoken to literally hundreds of LGBT human beings and not once, mind you, has anyone told me that the word 'tranny' was offensive. So, when I used it (innocently) 'someone' not only called me out on it, but implied that I was being transphobic.
What the actual fuck...?
I don't put nearly the level of concentrated effort into the LGBTQ (see what I did there?) community as I'd like - I'd love to be at your level. If and when I get more time, I will put more towards securing their basic *human* rights. In the meantime, I'll sit over here frustrated in the knowledge that I'm going to piss off one or more individuals by not updating my lexicon on a daily basis.
Shit. I have a hard enough time remembering my name most days.
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"Non-cis sex", maybe? :think: Has Zinnia included any suggestions with her complaining?ReneeHendricks wrote:Oh, and another topic that has peeved me over the past 24 hours - Zinnia Jones' bitching about Cenk Uygur using "non-straight sex" to describe sex between a man and transgendered woman.
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Do you even have to ask?JackRayner wrote:"Non-cis sex", maybe? :think: Has Zinnia included any suggestions with her complaining?ReneeHendricks wrote:Oh, and another topic that has peeved me over the past 24 hours - Zinnia Jones' bitching about Cenk Uygur using "non-straight sex" to describe sex between a man and transgendered woman.
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Fuck it. Fuck it all. From now on, anyone who's too good to be referred to as one of the standard English pronouns (he, she, it, they) will be referred to by my new gender-neutral, non-binary, one-size-fits-all pronoun: Sally. I sincerely hope it gets under Sally's skin and drives Sally fucking nuts. Alternately, Sally could get the fuck over Sally's shit, and come to accept that inventing words for Sallyself is pretentious douchebaggery of the first degree.ReneeHendricks wrote:Am I wrong or being completely obtuse here?
I've been reading quite a bit lately on the usage of pronouns and such that ensures we aren't limiting things to a binary (male/female) state and I'm frustrated. Not because I don't feel those who do not feel comfortable with a 1 or 2 state should be excluded but rather because the English language is freaking hard enough as it is. Adding more words and more complex meanings seems to me to ensure (in the long run) a complete fuckery of the language.
I remember reading not too long ago that people coming from other countries into the US, trying to learn the language, are struck by how so many words sound so similar and yet have very different meanings. That's just the tip of the iceberg for those learning the English language.
I'm going to just apologize in advance and say I'll be a horrible person and just stick with the language set I already have. Feel free to berate me or call me an ass but I don't have enough years on this planet left to learn an entire new subset of the English language.
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I've posted a few fat jokes and insults. Way I see it, anything one has the power to change about oneself, one can expect to be used for a cheap laugh: obesity, religion, or dying your fucking hair blue.
It's why I don't make race jokes, or laugh at people with a disability (I hated the username that was something like "Spacklick", for eg). I love the hypocrisy of many television celebrities, who go on panel shows and make jokes about Heather Mills, then come November they've got the poppy on and are schmoozing with wounded war vets.
It's why I don't make race jokes, or laugh at people with a disability (I hated the username that was something like "Spacklick", for eg). I love the hypocrisy of many television celebrities, who go on panel shows and make jokes about Heather Mills, then come November they've got the poppy on and are schmoozing with wounded war vets.
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Not that I saw other than suggesting (though not directly, as far as I can tell) that it be called straight sex.JackRayner wrote:"Non-cis sex", maybe? :think: Has Zinnia included any suggestions with her complaining?ReneeHendricks wrote:Oh, and another topic that has peeved me over the past 24 hours - Zinnia Jones' bitching about Cenk Uygur using "non-straight sex" to describe sex between a man and transgendered woman.
However, she's making the assumption that most people think of non-straight sex as being homosexual. Which is awfully pompous of her, in my opinion.But when a man has sex with a woman who’s trans, that is not “non-straight sexâ€. When a man and a woman are having sex, there is no conceivable way that any sexual act could be described as something other than straight. Calling this “non-straight†means claiming that there is some element of homosexual desire or tendency involved, simply because the woman is trans or has a penis.
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On this point it could be that people with health issues that would make them fat would simply die if they lived in an area blighted by famine.Tigzy wrote: Funny how you never see a fat person when a news crew is reporting from some area blighted by famine.
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:doh: :lol:Pitchguest wrote:Do you even have to ask?JackRayner wrote:"Non-cis sex", maybe? :think: Has Zinnia included any suggestions with her complaining?ReneeHendricks wrote:Oh, and another topic that has peeved me over the past 24 hours - Zinnia Jones' bitching about Cenk Uygur using "non-straight sex" to describe sex between a man and transgendered woman.
And, actually, after a little more thinking [am I being pedantic, now?] I think that the fellow in question falls under "pansexual".
I mean, if they're ok with that label. 'Cause if not, I could just refer to them however they like! ACK! DON'T GLITTER BOMB ME!! :o
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Don't even get me started on that post...ReneeHendricks wrote:Oh, and another topic that has peeved me over the past 24 hours - Zinnia Jones' bitching about Cenk Uygur using "non-straight sex" to describe sex between a man and transgendered woman.
I talked to my guy about this last night. I asked him "what is straight sex, to you?" His answer, "sex between a man and a woman". So, then I told him about Zinnia's post recently and asked him if he knew of a word or phrase that would be appropriate to describe sex between people who don't fit the binary or where one person does but the other does not and excluding both straight sex and gay sex from the results. He had no answer other than "non-straight". He's a pretty fucking smart guy - one of the smartest guys I know.
Is this another fucking case of "we need to create a word for that so people won't be offended"?
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I'm starting to lean towards "shit". Forget s/h/it. Just shit. So: I sincerely hope it gets under shit's skin and drives shit fucking nuts. Alternately, shit could get the fuck over shit's shit, and come to accept that inventing words for shitself is pretentious douchebagerry of the first degree. :DRystefn wrote:Fuck it. Fuck it all. From now on, anyone who's too good to be referred to as one of the standard English pronouns (he, she, it, they) will be referred to by my new gender-neutral, non-binary, one-size-fits-all pronoun: Sally. I sincerely hope it gets under Sally's skin and drives Sally fucking nuts. Alternately, Sally could get the fuck over Sally's shit, and come to accept that inventing words for Sallyself is pretentious douchebaggery of the first degree.ReneeHendricks wrote:Am I wrong or being completely obtuse here?
I've been reading quite a bit lately on the usage of pronouns and such that ensures we aren't limiting things to a binary (male/female) state and I'm frustrated. Not because I don't feel those who do not feel comfortable with a 1 or 2 state should be excluded but rather because the English language is freaking hard enough as it is. Adding more words and more complex meanings seems to me to ensure (in the long run) a complete fuckery of the language.
I remember reading not too long ago that people coming from other countries into the US, trying to learn the language, are struck by how so many words sound so similar and yet have very different meanings. That's just the tip of the iceberg for those learning the English language.
I'm going to just apologize in advance and say I'll be a horrible person and just stick with the language set I already have. Feel free to berate me or call me an ass but I don't have enough years on this planet left to learn an entire new subset of the English language.
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Isn't that just full of glorious crappery? It caught my eye the other day and has been just digging at me. Both my guy and I are at a loss. And *that's* no usual as he's pretty damned good at helping me through the crappery posts.Al Stefanelli wrote:Don't even get me started on that post...ReneeHendricks wrote:Oh, and another topic that has peeved me over the past 24 hours - Zinnia Jones' bitching about Cenk Uygur using "non-straight sex" to describe sex between a man and transgendered woman.
I talked to my guy about this last night. I asked him "what is straight sex, to you?" His answer, "sex between a man and a woman". So, then I told him about Zinnia's post recently and asked him if he knew of a word or phrase that would be appropriate to describe sex between people who don't fit the binary or where one person does but the other does not and excluding both straight sex and gay sex from the results. He had no answer other than "non-straight". He's a pretty fucking smart guy - one of the smartest guys I know.
Is this another fucking case of "we need to create a word for that so people won't be offended"?