Periodic Table of Swearing

[EveryMan]

I find Everyman to be overgeneralizing from his own experiences (and "people often think women have more emotional intelligence" doesn't prove that women actually do; it could be one of those "everybody knows" bits of common folk wisdom that actually turns out to be false). That said, he kinda has a point here.

But I'm not! I'm repeating, verbatim, things that I've been told by female managers and MBAs (regardless of gender).

As horrorshow mentioned, this is taught in management training. There are articles in the media, all the time, about women being better managers and leaders because they are more empathetic. With "empathy" being a synonym for "emotional intelligence".

If this all pseudo-scientific bullshit, please let me know. I'm curious and unlike MKG don't claim to know everything.

If you're trying to change people's minds, admitting that you're immature and trolling isn't going to help. Just saying. :)
(OTOH, should you get points for honesty? :think: )

A real question I have is whether the right way of dealing with the baboons/skepchicks is to either try reaching out to them or simply relentlessly mock/troll them into irrelevance; ala franc hoggle. At the moment I'm firmly in the hoggle camp. My rationale being that we have no common ground at this point. YMMV.

[EveryMan]

Since Phil Gordiana beseeched us to take our offtopic posts elsewhere in the forum, I went ahead and made the following thread

The Everyman argument thread

I respectfully suggest people who want to argue with Everyman or discuss the (offtopic) things he brought up should all go post there instead.

Can someone explain to me whats on-topic while you we're at it?

[SteveW68]

Since Phil Gordiana beseeched us to take our offtopic posts elsewhere in the forum, I went ahead and made the following thread

The Everyman argument thread

I respectfully suggest people who want to argue with Everyman or discuss the (offtopic) things he brought up should all go post there instead.

Can someone explain to me whats on-topic while you we're at it?

I would concur with Everyman here - this is after all THE off-topic thread is it not?

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

Sorry, Phil Giordana.

I always read it as "gordiana" in my head for some reason.

Oh, cut the knot now, will you?!?

No offence taken, and it was just my own opinion. Anybody is free to talk about whatever they want. I'm just a bystander.

[likely]

My observation was that poorly-educated women might have a hard time differentiating their feelings from reality; hence the behavior of the skepchicks.

Do you also believe that poorly educated men have that same hard time?

Absolutely and unequivocally.

But given the rampant sexism in the form of affirmative action in the community, incompetent women seem be getting what is crudely referred to as a "pussy pass".

As a white male who has spent 25 years in corporate America, let me point out that there has been decade upon decade of affirmative action programs for incompetents who joined the right fraternal organization or played golf at the same club as the vice president of operations. While it may be referred to as "the good ole boys network," it was most assuredly an affirmative action program. I say it is high time that women had a fair chance to also demonstrate the Peter Principle in action.

[Steersman]

Translation: don't get angry or it will magically disprove what you say blah blah emotional intelligence blah blah blah blah privilege blah blah patriarchy blah blah flatter CEO exec yum! how can you resist women managers? blah blah

If the point of the discussion is that some women tend to lapse into histrionics, then yes lapsing into histrionics does disprove an argument to the contrary. No magic involved. Thanks for playing, though.

You & Sacha remind me of one of my ex-girlfriends. I used to do play this game with her all the time...

Me: "Well, you do have a bit of a shrill tone at times."
Her: "No, I don't."
Me: "Well, you do have a bit of a shrill tone at times."
Her: "NO I DO NOT!"
Me: "Well, you do have a bit of a shrill tone at times."
Her: (screeching and beet red) "NO I DO NOT I'M NOT SHRILL I'M NOT I'M NOT I'M NOT!!!"

Maybe the female brain lacks a receptor for detecting trolling behavior by immature males?

Nice try, Cowboy.

He really is not saying that ALL “women have a shrill tone at times”, only that SOME do. The latter point being proved by the anecdote.

That many more women might be like that, or be “overly emotional”, is certainly a credible proposition – and no few men probably, as, one might argue, the Lousy Canuck illustrates.

But to leap to the conclusion – which you and Scented Nectar are both apparently doing – is to misread his argument and to condemn him for that misreading of yours. And which is highlighted, I think, by my reference to the problem of induction in the new thread that tachikoma started ....

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

Since Phil Gordiana beseeched us to take our offtopic posts elsewhere in the forum, I went ahead and made the following thread

The Everyman argument thread

I respectfully suggest people who want to argue with Everyman or discuss the (offtopic) things he brought up should all go post there instead.

Can someone explain to me whats on-topic while you we're at it?

I would concur with Everyman here - this is after all THE off-topic thread is it not?

FTB is the main topic. I personaly don't care discussing Hitch or male/female minds here. But this is just me, so don't bother if it doesnt...er...bother anyone else.

[Steersman]

Sorry, Phil Giordana.

I always read it as "gordiana" in my head for some reason.

Oh, cut the knot now, will you?!?

No offence taken, and it was just my own opinion. Anybody is free to talk about whatever they want. I'm just a bystander.

The Gordian Knot? .... :-)

[Patrick]

Patrick, ok, I misunderstood.

'Tis a poor writer who blames his readers.

That will not, however, prevent me from allowing you to buy the first round should we ever meet in person.

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

Sorry, Phil Giordana.

I always read it as "gordiana" in my head for some reason.

Oh, cut the knot now, will you?!?

No offence taken, and it was just my own opinion. Anybody is free to talk about whatever they want. I'm just a bystander.

The Gordian Knot? .... :-)

Duh, waddya think? :D

[sacha]

Translation: don't get angry or it will magically disprove what you say blah blah emotional intelligence blah blah blah blah privilege blah blah patriarchy blah blah flatter CEO exec yum! how can you resist women managers? blah blah

If the point of the discussion is that some women tend to lapse into histrionics, then yes lapsing into histrionics does disprove an argument to the contrary. No magic involved. Thanks for playing, though.

You & Sacha remind me of one of my ex-girlfriends. I used to do play this game with her all the time...

Me: "Well, you do have a bit of a shrill tone at times."
Her: "No, I don't."
Me: "Well, you do have a bit of a shrill tone at times."
Her: "NO I DO NOT!"
Me: "Well, you do have a bit of a shrill tone at times."
Her: (screeching and beet red) "NO I DO NOT I'M NOT SHRILL I'M NOT I'M NOT I'M NOT!!!"

Maybe the female brain lacks a receptor for detecting trolling behavior by immature males?

Nice try, Cowboy.

He really is not saying that ALL “women have a shrill tone at times”, only that SOME do. The latter point being proved by the anecdote.

That many more women might be like that, or be “overly emotional”, is certainly a credible proposition – and no few men probably, as, one might argue, the Lousy Canuck illustrates.

But to leap to the conclusion – which you and Scented Nectar are both apparently doing – is to misread his argument and to condemn him for that misreading of yours. And which is highlighted, I think, by my reference to the problem of induction in the new thread that tachikoma started ....

MOST women are like that. YES, this is why we call ourselves Gender Traitors. I AGREE! Fuck, after over a year, I have to explain that?

I also agree that MOST women are overly emotional.

My "nice try" was in regards to the fact that he said he "played" me (and assumed I reacted hysterically).
If you knew me at all, you would realise how funny that is.

I am now moving on. I have Merkin Cowboy blocked from view, and I am finished responding to anything in regards to him.

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

Tidbit: My name comes from the Italian "of the Jordan". I may have come from far away...

[tachikoma]

Oh, cut the knot now, will you?!?

Oh, huh. Maybe that's why I read your name as Gordiana.

No offence taken, and it was just my own opinion. Anybody is free to talk about whatever they want. I'm just a bystander.

Oops, didn't mean to put the heat on you. I also prefer to separate poking at the FTBers from Slympit infighting about non-FTB things.

[rayshul]

I've been thinking about this all night but...

Now FtB have absolutely proven that they can't be trusted and are happy to go after people.

They're fine to publish people's private details.

They're fine to try to exert pressure to get people fired.

They're fine to hunt down people who disagree with them.

How the fuck do the women who think they're feeling "safe" feel safe around people like this? How the fuck can NATALIE? If she posts one thing they don't like, how long does she think it'll be until they're posting her shit around the place?

It's not as if THEY DONT EAT THEIR OWN.

Also: I'm always fascinated by the legal shit around when you should and shouldn't pass things on that are revealed in a private situation. I think the point you should start passing things on when you find out is when they're going to impact on someone else's (the target's) life - whether physically, financially, or psychologically. That's the point at which your terms of secrecy shit should be put to one side. I'm not suuuper into saying that X is moral or Y is moral behaviour, just because that shit is so fucking mental, but to me it's probably what the average, decent person would do.

There should always be available channels for people to escalate complaints or concerns like this. In any workplace or situation. If there aren't, you just gotta do what you can do.

[Steersman]

....
MOST women are like that. YES, this is why we call ourselves Gender Traitors. I AGREE! Fuck, after over a year, I have to explain that?

I also agree that MOST women are overly emotional.

My "nice try" was in regards to the fact that he said he "played" me (and assumed I reacted hysterically).
If you knew me at all, you would realise how funny that is.

I am now moving on. I have Merkin Cowboy blocked from view, and I am finished responding to anything in regards to him.

Well, excuuuse me for not having read 5000 posts in this thread and all of the related ones here, there and about and have integrated all of that into an assessment of your on-line persona before commenting here or responding to you ....

Seems a rather unreasonable expectation to me ...

[sacha]

....
MOST women are like that. YES, this is why we call ourselves Gender Traitors. I AGREE! Fuck, after over a year, I have to explain that?

I also agree that MOST women are overly emotional.

My "nice try" was in regards to the fact that he said he "played" me (and assumed I reacted hysterically).
If you knew me at all, you would realise how funny that is.

I am now moving on. I have Merkin Cowboy blocked from view, and I am finished responding to anything in regards to him.

Well, excuuuse me for not having read 5000 posts in this thread and all of the related ones here, there and about and have integrated all of that into an assessment of your on-line persona before commenting here or responding to you ....

Seems a rather unreasonable expectation to me ...

Instead of reading through the entire thread, you could sit back and take the time to learn about Nectar and I from our responses, instead of jumping to conclusions about the type of women we are.

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

....
MOST women are like that. YES, this is why we call ourselves Gender Traitors. I AGREE! Fuck, after over a year, I have to explain that?

I also agree that MOST women are overly emotional.

My "nice try" was in regards to the fact that he said he "played" me (and assumed I reacted hysterically).
If you knew me at all, you would realise how funny that is.

I am now moving on. I have Merkin Cowboy blocked from view, and I am finished responding to anything in regards to him.

Well, excuuuse me for not having read 5000 posts in this thread and all of the related ones here, there and about and have integrated all of that into an assessment of your on-line persona before commenting here or responding to you ....

Seems a rather unreasonable expectation to me ...

Instead of reading through the entire thread, you could sit back and take the time to learn about Nectar and I from our responses, instead of jumping to conclusions about the type of women we are.

Listen to the women, and all that...

[AndrewV69]

I’m kind of looking forward to the day when topless – and bottomless – figure skating hits the big time; might be a little chilly for the performers but it might produce some compensatory warmth in the stands ....

But what about when a woman skater does the splits - and sticks to the ice?

Sticking to the ice is one thing, skidmarks are quite another. My dangly bits are currently desperately trying to withdraw at the thought.

[Steersman]

.... Instead of reading through the entire thread, you could sit back and take the time to learn about Nectar and I from our responses, instead of jumping to conclusions about the type of women we are.

Don’t see that I was doing any “jumping to conclusions”; I very carefully said “which you and Scented Nectar are both apparently doing”. Which seemed to be a reasonable inference based on your responses. And which left the floor open for you to provide rebuttals ...

And, having read Scented Nectar’s blog post regarding “femtheists” and having exchanged a post or two with her here on the topic I was a long way from jumping to that conclusion about her at least ...

[Steersman]

I’m kind of looking forward to the day when topless – and bottomless – figure skating hits the big time; might be a little chilly for the performers but it might produce some compensatory warmth in the stands ....

But what about when a woman skater does the splits - and sticks to the ice?

Sticking to the ice is one thing, skidmarks are quite another. My dangly bits are currently desperately trying to withdraw at the thought.

Yea, that’s the problem when those mirror neurons kick in ... :-)

[tachikoma]

They're fine to publish people's private details.

They're fine to try to exert pressure to get people fired.

They're fine to hunt down people who disagree with them.

How the fuck do the women who think they're feeling "safe" feel safe around people like this? How the fuck can NATALIE? If she posts one thing they don't like, how long does she think it'll be until they're posting her shit around the place?

Here's your answer:

Amphiox shows (his and FTB's) completely oblivious tunnel vision:

There is a community of people who believe that women are human beings and should be treated with respect and consideration when they say things like “guys don’t do that”, and there is another community of people who apparently do not.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ent-428350

They think they're the good guys and will never be considered bad guys.

[rayshul]

Hah, I definitely disagree that women are more emotional than men. I don't think the wailywailers like Amy are even SLIGHTLY representative of the average woman.

/ANECDOTE

[rayshul]

How the fuck do the women who think they're feeling "safe" feel safe around people like this? How the fuck can NATALIE? If she posts one thing they don't like, how long does she think it'll be until they're posting her shit around the place?

Here's your answer:

Amphiox shows (his and FTB's) completely oblivious tunnel vision:

There is a community of people who believe that women are human beings and should be treated with respect and consideration when they say things like “guys don’t do that”, and there is another community of people who apparently do not.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ent-428350

They think they're the good guys and will never be considered bad guys.

ARRRGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH WHY ARE THEY SO FUCKING STUPID.

[Dilurk]

I’m kind of looking forward to the day when topless – and bottomless – figure skating hits the big time; might be a little chilly for the performers but it might produce some compensatory warmth in the stands ....

But what about when a woman skater does the splits - and sticks to the ice?

Sticking to the ice is one thing, skidmarks are quite another. My dangly bits are currently desperately trying to withdraw at the thought.

Puts a new meaning to ball bearings.

[AndrewV69]

Or even a TOR exit node. Personally, I CBA to bother with the loons at fftb. I wasn't bothering to read the comments for months before I stopped reading them entirely. At least the e-mails are mostly throw away gmail or hotmail accounts. I have a throwaway gmail for backup. If I could be arsed I could use it with a proxy or TOR

....

If you are on DHCP you can at least get a new lease on a new IP. The best a baboon can do then is narrow it down to a POP in your city.

Grrr forgot the obvious one. Take my laptop down to a local coffee house ask for their free wifi access, they never log who I am anyway. I simply cannot be arsed to bother with the baboons now.

For some reason, none of my neighbours believe in locking up their routers. Of course many of them never lock their doors either. Even if they are going to be away for six weeks or so. None of the IP addresses PeeZuss has blocked are actually mine.

In any event, I can not be arsed with the baboons either. Perhaps later, but right now I have other things on the go.

[Scented Nectar]

TRIGGER WARNING FOR GROSS LOSS OF APPETITE AND THINGS THAT CANNOT BE UNSEEN/UNHEARD!!!!!1111!!111!!!!

[youtube]7FCoC7EXM1o[/youtube]

[real horrorshow]

They think they're the good guys and will never be considered bad guys.

And more to the point, those who oppose them are 'evil' and this is 'war' and there can be 'no mercy'.

[ËveryMan]

MOST women are like that. YES, this is why we call ourselves Gender Traitors. I AGREE! Fuck, after over a year, I have to explain that?

I also agree that MOST women are overly emotional.

My "nice try" was in regards to the fact that he said he "played" me (and assumed I reacted hysterically).
If you knew me at all, you would realise how funny that is.

I am now moving on. I have Merkin Cowboy blocked from view, and I am finished responding to anything in regards to him.http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v373/ ... banana.gif

Well, you do have a bit of a shrill tone at times.

[tachikoma]

Another user pretending to be Everyman, or Everyman trying to get past sacha's block? Either way, not cool.

[EveryMan]

Another user pretending to be Everyman, or Everyman trying to get past sacha's block? Either way, not cool.

That was me having the last word in a funny way. Lighten up, Francis. I bet franc thought it was funny.

Or I guess you could go baboonaballistic and label me an Evil Computer Hacker and ban me. Which is fine.

[CommanderTuvok]

There is a community of people who believe that women are human beings and should be treated with respect and consideration when they say things like “guys don’t do that”, and there is another community of people who apparently do not.
http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ent-428350

Ah. There we have it again. The BIG LIE. The FALSE NARRATIVE. The notion that people only got angry when Rebecca complained, completely ignoring a whole other bunch of shit that went on. Lying liars lying again.

The Baboons still think that any disagreement with them means that you are a sexist, racist, miosgynist, abelist, privileged, evil Adolf Hitler worshipper, who likes to go round punching babies in the face. The lying fucking shitstains.

Contrary to what they think and state, nobody opposing them from the a/s movements "hate women", or are "against anti-harassment policies", etc. We do question the motives behind these ideas because we see it as cover-up for an agenda. That agenda has become crystal clear over the last month, with the toppling of Osama Greg Laden, FfTB getting slapped in the face by the majority of people at TAM2012, the reveal of their hypocrisy and lies, and the slow, beautiful disintegration of PZ Myers' reputation.

The evidence is out there. The Baboon community have repeatedly shown that they DO NOT respect certain women as human beings, especially if they have an opinion they don't like. They have shown they are willing to "shun" women who they disagree with. Yeah, you can take your "respecting women" hypocritical bullshit and shove it.

I know you and your acolytes read this PZ. So suck it up. We are winning. You are exposed.

[rayshul]

I don't quite understand how they reconcile the idea that women are on the Slime-side...

Oh wait, I do. Because girls on the Slime side are "chill girls" who just want to act like they're one of the guys for some dick.

My bad, just answered my own question.

[tachikoma]

I don't quite understand how they reconcile the idea that women are on the Slime-side...

Oh wait, I do. Because girls on the Slime side are "chill girls" who just want to act like they're one of the guys for some dick.

My bad, just answered my own question.

Which still doesn't make sense. The theory goes: chill girls are okay with "sexism" because they want male approval and friendship. Abbie and the women here lost the approval and friendship of Myers and all the guys who are pro-FTB. If Abbie really wanted to stay friends with Myers et al she would not dare to disagree with him about this subject.

Conclusion: They don't think Myers and guys who are pro-FTB count as male.

[DownThunder]

I don't quite understand how they reconcile the idea that women are on the Slime-side...

They dont. Youll get a citation for operating an unlicensed vagina. :naughty:

[Tigzy]

The theory goes: chill girls are okay with "sexism" because they want male approval and friendship.

Maybe these so-called chill girls just don't give that much of a shit about sexism, and that male approval and friendship has nothing to do with it. A women has every right not to give a damn if she chooses; a pity that certain amongst feminist circles seem bent on decrying this right.

[Steersman]

Sat Aug 11, 2012 2:36 pm

Hah, I definitely disagree that women are more emotional than men. I don't think the wailywailers like Amy are even SLIGHTLY representative of the average woman.

/ANECDOTE

I kind of think it quite crucial to be clear on which groups or segments of the class “women” you are referring to. That SOME women are overly emotional you have already conceded, in effect, with your “wailywailers like Amy”.

Whether that justifies concluding that ALL women are more emotional than ALL men is probably not a credible or tenable argument at all. But saying MORE women are MORE emotional than MOST men is at least a credible premise, although I tend to think it a stretch – not least because of the difficulties in coming up with a suitable measuring stick, not to mention a suitable definition for “average” ...

But I would argue that there’s probably just as large of percentage of men as of women who are “overly emotional”, largely on the basis that commitment to various dogmas, mostly religious but not exclusively, is, I think, mostly a question of egregiously “overly” emotional responses ...

[rayshul]

I have to say that the "chill girl" thing is a lovely way to demonise women who get on better with guys. GO BACK TO THE SISTERHOOD!!!

[Lsuoma]

Another user pretending to be Everyman, or Everyman trying to get past sacha's block? Either way, not cool.

The Administrator agrees with tachikoma. This was posted from EveryMan's IP.

[ConcentratedH2O, OM]

Dammit! That last quoted post went completely FUBAR! This is what it should have looked like:

http://whois.domaintools.com/freethoughtblogs.com

"Ed" neglected to register with privacy enabled - Lists his address, real name and phone number - hosted by bluehost.com

You are a very bad man. I'd give you a stern lecture on ethics, if I could stop laughing.

Publicly available information Sir! All there for the world to see.... :twisted:

If you then go on to reverse lookup, it seems that he also held (and apparently let lapse) the domain name "FEELINLUCKYTATTOO.COM".

He has 4 other currently held domains, but getting their info requires payment.

[rayshul]

Sat Aug 11, 2012 2:36 pm

Hah, I definitely disagree that women are more emotional than men. I don't think the wailywailers like Amy are even SLIGHTLY representative of the average woman.

/ANECDOTE

I kind of think it quite crucial to be clear on which groups or segments of the class “women” you are referring to. That SOME women are overly emotional you have already conceded, in effect, with your “wailywailers like Amy”.

Whether that justifies concluding that ALL women are more emotional than ALL men is probably not a credible or tenable argument at all. But saying MORE women are MORE emotional than MOST men is at least a credible premise, although I tend to think it a stretch – not least because of the difficulties in coming up with a suitable measuring stick, not to mention a suitable definition for “average” ...

But I would argue that there’s probably just as large of percentage of men as of women who are “overly emotional”, largely on the basis that commitment to various dogmas, mostly religious but not exclusively, is, I think, mostly a question of egregiously “overly” emotional responses ...

Oh deffo. I've never met a woman like Amy before but her existence pretty much disproves anyone trying to say that women are ALL not emotional. But TBH I reckon that any research into emotions is going to be fraught with weird-arse variables based on people's life experiences. I did see an interesting study once about how men and women put monetary values on life experiences... buggered if I can find it again, but it was interesting to see differences there.

I mentioned roadrage on the Everyman thread as a good way of judging someone's control over their emotions as it's something men and women seem to experience at similar levels but men are more likely to lose their everloving shit, which'd support the "women have more emotional intelligence" thing. anyway the everyman thread is i think where the convo is continuning...

[DW Adams]

It's also a bit of a stretch to reference "Guys, don't do that" as the difference between the two groups.

I didn't care one bit about her dramatics regarding the elevator incident, it was when she and her cohorts went ballistic over anyone that dared question the narrative that this whole ugly ball got rolling. It wasn't rational nor was it in line with skepticism.

So I guess what I'm saying is, they're just chicks. :)

[EveryMan]

I mentioned roadrage on the Everyman thread as a good way of judging someone's control over their emotions as it's something men and women seem to experience at similar levels but men are more likely to lose their everloving shit, which'd support the "women have more emotional intelligence" thing. anyway the everyman thread is i think where the convo is continuning...

During one of these conversations I saw a reference to a study that while women are more likely to initiate domestic violence, men are more likely to escalate it and are responsible more most of the severe assaults and homicides.

[Steersman]

A recent post from Ophelia:

Ok this is a good one. From a comment on Jen's post on blunderfoot.

“Freethought” means you use reason and logic to come to a conclusion, and not believing everything anyone says — even a close friend — at face value.

Hahahahahahahahaha yes right that's what freethought means. A close friend tells you she has a headache and you interrogate her for an hour trying to get her to demonstrate that fact beyond a reasonable doubt.

Here’s a thought for you Ophelia, since you’ve banned me from your site for having had the temerity to call another woman on an entirely different site (a FTB one, I might add) a cunt:

That’s all fine and dandy. But if you want to crucify some guy, regardless of whether he was guilty or not which I’ll concede is an open question, and by extension a whole bunch of others, for having been walking around with a standard-issue piece of camera equipment, then “beyond a reasonable doubt” should be at least a minimum requirement.

Some questionable logic there to conflate those two very different kettles of fish. Something that religious fundamentalists seem to exhibit to a distressing degree – as when they assert that atheism is a religion as well – but which really doesn’t have any place in a skeptic community ...

[Tigzy]

Is there such a thing as transcendent stupidity? Cos I think Ophelia's achieved it with her latest post: http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterflies ... -it-means/

What you think it means
August 11, 2012 at 3:49 pm Ophelia Benson

Ok this is a good one. From a comment on Jen’s post on blunderfoot.

“Freethought” means you use reason and logic to come to a conclusion, and not believing everything anyone says — even a close friend — at face value.

Hahahahahahahahaha yes right that’s what freethought means. A close friend tells you she has a headache and you interrogate her for an hour trying to get her to demonstrate that fact beyond a reasonable doubt.

Hahahahahahahah no, that's not what 'everything' means. 'Simple English Comprehension For Dummocks 101': 'everything' does not mean the same thing as 'anything', Ophelia, you tiresome little stem cell.

[tachikoma]

I don't quite understand how they reconcile the idea that women are on the Slime-side...

They dont. Youll get a citation for operating an unlicensed vagina. :naughty:

Once upon a time...

[quote=" ERV in "Bad Form, Rebecca Watson" on July 1, 2011"]One of these days, theyre going to come for my Vagina License.[/quote]
(you can download the thread here)

That linked to an even earlier blog article, Atheists with vaginas which is still up. Some of the stuff written there are both hilarious and sad at the same time.

PZ is awesome.

But yeah, you ought to be invited to join more of these atheist conferences. I need more fellow science geeks standing up there with me.

[Tigzy]

Oh, Ophelia's responded to me, after I pointed out the glaring obviously flaw in her reading comprehesion:

Ophelia Benson says:
August 11, 2012 at 4:11 pm

tigzy – well that could be a point.

But in that case it’s still a ridiculous definition, but for a different reason. It’s not “freethought” that doesn’t believe everything no matter what, it’s just sanity.

:lol: and you'd be the expert on sanity, right Ophelia?

As futile as it is writing anything (see, Feelya? - it's distinctly different from 'everything') on the obscurantist drivel that passes for her Freethoughtblog, it does at least make up for it in belly laughs.

[rayshul]

I mentioned roadrage on the Everyman thread as a good way of judging someone's control over their emotions as it's something men and women seem to experience at similar levels but men are more likely to lose their everloving shit, which'd support the "women have more emotional intelligence" thing. anyway the everyman thread is i think where the convo is continuning...

During one of these conversations I saw a reference to a study that while women are more likely to initiate domestic violence, men are more likely to escalate it and are responsible more most of the severe assaults and homicides.

That kind fits with my understanding of what emotional intelligence is too - just makes you more able to evaluate and moderate your emotional responses logically/rationally in a stressful situation.

[EveryMan]

Found this while looking for something else. Brilliant how topical it is.

[youtube]m2a5-RrwWZ8[/youtube]

[tachikoma]

That's also from steersman but thinking that over, I may be being unfair to Amy...

That chick was hyped up like motherfuck from all her Skepchick friends telling her to watch out for harrassment and basically ramped up into hysteria probably before she even got there. Maybe she just had a wee breakdown as the result of all the shit that was going on.

(Replying to rayshul's post from the Everyman thread since it's about FTB/Skepchick. Whee!)

I suspect some of it has to do with guilt too. See how badly she treated Sharon Hill before TAM? So then when someone at TAM shows up with parody ceramics parroting the line she threw at Sharon: "you should be embarassed" ...she has to deflect her feelings of guilt by accusing everyone else of harassment and spin her story for maximal sympathy from skepchick supporters.

[JAB]

Oh, Ophelia's responded to me, after I pointed out the glaring obviously flaw in her reading comprehesion:

Ophelia Benson says:
August 11, 2012 at 4:11 pm

tigzy – well that could be a point.

But in that case it’s still a ridiculous definition, but for a different reason. It’s not “freethought” that doesn’t believe everything no matter what, it’s just sanity.

:lol: and you'd be the expert on sanity, right Ophelia?

As futile as it is writing anything (see, Feelya? - it's distinctly different from 'everything') on the obscurantist drivel that passes for her Freethoughtblog, it does at least make up for it in belly laughs.

Although I would agree with OB (I can't believe I just typed that) that that is a horrible definition of free thought. I would have thought that closer to the definition for skepticism.

[rayshul]

That's also from steersman but thinking that over, I may be being unfair to Amy...

That chick was hyped up like motherfuck from all her Skepchick friends telling her to watch out for harrassment and basically ramped up into hysteria probably before she even got there. Maybe she just had a wee breakdown as the result of all the shit that was going on.

(Replying to rayshul's post from the Everyman thread since it's about FTB/Skepchick. Whee!)

I suspect some of it has to do with guilt too. See how badly she treated Sharon Hill before TAM? So then when someone at TAM shows up with parody ceramics parroting the line she threw at Sharon: "you should be embarassed" ...she has to deflect her feelings of guilt by accusing everyone else of harassment and spin her story for maximal sympathy from skepchick supporters.

I'll buy that.

[EveryMan]

I suspect some of it has to do with guilt too. See how badly she treated Sharon Hill before TAM? So then when someone at TAM shows up with parody ceramics parroting the line she threw at Sharon: "you should be embarassed" ...she has to deflect her feelings of guilt by accusing everyone else of harassment and spin her story for maximal sympathy from skepchick supporters.

On my short list of Things Every American Needs To Understand; a big one is that "Freedom of speech does not imply freedom from accountability." Which is what these people want, basically to say stupid shit and not have anyone ever call them out on it.

This gets dangerous because it's apparently not enough for them to have their own "safe" spaces. It's very specifically about controlling ours.

[Tigzy]

Oh, Ophelia's responded to me, after I pointed out the glaring obviously flaw in her reading comprehesion:

Ophelia Benson says:
August 11, 2012 at 4:11 pm

tigzy – well that could be a point.

But in that case it’s still a ridiculous definition, but for a different reason. It’s not “freethought” that doesn’t believe everything no matter what, it’s just sanity.

:lol: and you'd be the expert on sanity, right Ophelia?

As futile as it is writing anything (see, Feelya? - it's distinctly different from 'everything') on the obscurantist drivel that passes for her Freethoughtblog, it does at least make up for it in belly laughs.

Although I would agree with OB (I can't believe I just typed that) that that is a horrible definition of free thought. I would have thought that closer to the definition for skepticism.

I wouldn't say so much a horrible definition as a cursory one. From the cesspit:

Freethought is a philosophical viewpoint that holds opinions should be formed on the basis of logic, reason and science and not authority, tradition, or other dogmas.

In any case, it certainly wasn't something that warranted a blog post from Ophelia - unless she wished to make herself look clever at the expense of some nobody on the internetz. Course, the result turned out to be quite the opposite. :lol:

[Steersman]

I suspect some of it has to do with guilt too. See how badly she treated Sharon Hill before TAM? So then when someone at TAM shows up with parody ceramics parroting the line she threw at Sharon: "you should be embarassed" ...she has to deflect her feelings of guilt by accusing everyone else of harassment and spin her story for maximal sympathy from skepchick supporters.

On my short list of Things Every American Needs To Understand; a big one is that "Freedom of speech does not imply freedom from accountability." Which is what these people want, basically to say stupid shit and not have anyone ever call them out on it.

This gets dangerous because it's apparently not enough for them to have their own "safe" spaces. It's very specifically about controlling ours.

You would probably be amazed at the tenacity, if not rudeness, of some of the Pharyngulites – some of whom have flounced out of there due to the “new rules” – over at Camels with Hammers over their desire to be able to use various epithets while anathematizing others. Not happy with wallowing in hypocrisy at their own watering hole they want to promulgate that FTB-wide, if not worldwide.

Dangerously deluded, I would say ....

[sacha]

I don't quite understand how they reconcile the idea that women are on the Slime-side...

Oh wait, I do. Because girls on the Slime side are "chill girls" who just want to act like they're one of the guys for some dick.

My bad, just answered my own question.

that's why I'm here. Just for the cock(s)

[sacha]

Hah, I definitely disagree that women are more emotional than men. I don't think the wailywailers like Amy are even SLIGHTLY representative of the average woman.

/ANECDOTE

I've lived in the US too long. I almost forget what it's like on the other side of the pond.

Never been to Canada...

[EveryMan]

You would probably be amazed at the tenacity, if not rudeness, of some of the Pharyngulites – some of whom have flounced out of there due to the “new rules” – over at Camels with Hammers over their desire to be able to use various epithets while anathematizing others. Not happy with wallowing in hypocrisy at their own watering hole they want to promulgate that FTB-wide, if not worldwide.

Dangerously deluded, I would say ....

After my encounter with Greg Laden I would not be amazed at any bad behavior by these people.

The only thing that has amazed me recently was how easily they were able to whip folks into a frenzy on one of their witch hunts (the Mr. MonoPole incident). I didn't think they had that many supporters. Or that the ones they did have would be so quick to burn a heretic at the stake.

It reminds me of one of those books they made us read in high school, like "Lord of the Flies".

[Tigzy]

Hah, I definitely disagree that women are more emotional than men. I don't think the wailywailers like Amy are even SLIGHTLY representative of the average woman.

/ANECDOTE

I've lived in the US too long. I almost forget what it's like on the other side of the pond.

Never been to Canada...

It'd be an achievement for Amy if she even managed to get to being average.

#MenCanBeBitchyToo

[Gumby]

Commenter 'Acathode' sums it up well on TF00t's blog.

Responding to another commenter who says "“If you want a community that licks your arse and never disagrees with you then Pharyngula is definitely not the place – sceptical communities in general will not tolerate dumb-asses.", Acathode says:

From what I’ve seen, Pharyngula seems just the place if you want a community that licks your arse and never disagrees with you. You just have to stick to the Myers & Co party-line, and everyone will love you.

What most of the critics seem to want is a community and place where you can have civil, intelligent discussions and arguments, even if people have very different views and opinions. At least that’s something that I personally value, and actively sought when I first was made aware of this “movement”.

Unfortunately, this is not possible withing the FTB community, and even worse, the FTB community with Myers & Co in the front is actively working against this sort of atmosphere outside of their own site and smaller community.

Going after Payton, effectively trying to silence him by targeting his job and his position withing the community because he simply does not find the content on FTB to be good is a prime example of the sort of message FTB is sending – You either agree with us, or we will do our darnedest to get you expunged from the community, even if we have to use underhand methods.

This just reeks of political party purging, the kind you would see in Soviet, or inquisitors and witch hunters “cleansing the land”, and reminds me very little of a skeptical, free-thinking community.

I wonder if the Horde is still saying that all dissent is still limited to "Stangroom, Kirby, and the Slymepitters".

I like this part of Athacode's comment: "What most of the critics seem to want is a community and place where you can have civil, intelligent discussions and arguments, even if people have very different views and opinions."

Funny how the Slymepit fits that definition to a "T", and the Baboon boards don't even come close.

[Gumby]

Oops forgot the link to Acathode's comment.
http://thunderf00tdotorg.wordpress.com/ ... mment-5779