Ah, here it is. I'll apologise in advance for the plug:
Pitchguest (or PG) wrote:@Brownian
Oh, I’m sorry. It’s called an echochamber because only the same things are allowed to be said. However, I haven’t seen Kagin moderate anyone’s comments on here. Means it doesn’t apply. My bad. I didn’t think I would have to explain these things.
Don't stop reading just yet. It gets better.Brownian wrote:I didn’t actually think that you were that simplistic a creature.
So, what do you make of Edwin’s comment here:
Because that’s exactly why bloggers moderate.And the most thoughtful of blogs, I have learned, can be trashed by morons who do not seem to even understand that which they are attempting to condemn. These commenters, with their limited vocabularies. who haunt blogs they do not appear to even vaguely comprehend can be unconsciously funny.
I thought this particularly delicious irony. If you don't know what I'm talking about, read Kagin's entry bashing A+ and the comments.Pitchguest wrote:Let me get this straight: Kagin’s versus echochambers where comments of dissent are moderated because it disturbs the status quo (and incidentally the lovely echo effect). I argue that you hop on back to places like Pharyngula where you won’t find comments you disagree with that makes you uncomfortable, and you argue that because Kagin said the ‘most thoughtful of blogs’ (this) can be trashed by morons (you) is exactly why bloggers moderate?
In other words, you wish for Kagin to remove dissenting comments to create an echochamber?
I guess that’s one way to ensure morons won’t trash the ‘most thoughtful of blogs’, but here’s an idea: instead of creating yet another place where dissenting opinions are not tolerated a la Pharyngula (what was that he said about NatGeo and censorship?), how about not being morons trashing the most thoughtful of blogs? How about not condemning that which you do not seem to comprehend? How about that, Brownian?
To the question if I know what a prescriptive and descriptive claim means in regards to moderation:
Brownian wrote:Because, as even you note, the longstanding tradition of moderation is something that many bloggers do to prevent their †most thoughtful of blogs, [from] being trashed by morons who do not seem to even understand that which they are attempting to condemn.Pitchguest wrote:Yes, and what has the longstanding tradition of moderation have to do with our conversation about echochambers? I said Kagin’s blog wasn’t an echochamber and you quoted his comment about the blog being trashed by morons, and then said, “that is exactly why bloggers moderate.†Remember, in the context of echochambers. You can call me dense all you like, but it won’t do you any good if you don’t make sense.
I’m not presuming to tell Kagin how to prevent this from happening to his posts. He may choose to stop blogging. He may moderate his threads. Or he may just learn to live with it.
As you asked, “how about not being morons trashing the most thoughtful of blogsâ€, well, if people did that then no one would need to moderate. That’s exactly why other bloggers do it.
Continue to crying “echo chamber†as if it’s some useful metric, but really, it’s just a simplistic, facile and juvenile claim.
Pitchguest wrote:Again, Kagin made the observation that morons trashed his blog for something they apparently did not even understand. He does not moderate his blog. I said I thought it was a good thing that he didn’t so it wouldn’t turn into an echochamber a la Pharyngula. You allude to the fact morons trashed his blog and implied this is exactly why bloggers moderate. You do not presume to tell Kagin how to prevent this from happening. However, Brownian, may I remind you that YOU were part of the morons that trashed his blog? Isn’t it almost parodial that you should suggest more moderation on a blog that isn’t heavily moderated, because morons trashed his blog that you were involved with thus making it necessary to heavily moderate? Is this some meta shit you’re trying out?
He did.Brownian wrote:No, because I did not do that.
Pfft hahahahahaha!Brownian wrote:And really, can we stop with the ‘trashed his blog’ bullshit?
It’s hyperbolic whining. This guy wants to ‘blaspheme’? He’s going to deal with a lot worse than pissed of FtB commenters. I certainly hope every second post isn’t going to be him crying into his beer, for fuck’s sake.
http://freethoughtblogs.com/kagin/2012/ ... -recently/