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JAB wrote:(Note... I have no evidence to back up this idea) It seems to me that the stranger rapist is likely going out to rape somebody, likely anybody (likely sex dependent, though). So if you want to be safe from this you follow the rules everyone says... not walking alone, or in skimpy clothing etc. Seems like this might be good advice to keep it from happening to you. BUT, the rape still happens, but to someone else. You would think those interested in reducing the rate of rape wouldn't spend too much time on this one (after all, rape still happens a lot in Saudi Arabia). That has to be handled by working on the root of the matter, whatever that is. Promoting those other strategies that only serve to collapse the odds onto fewer targets leads one to victim blaming.
So what kind of universe do we live in if we do not try to prevent crime against ourselves and our personal property? Perhaps I should leave my car unlocked so some fuck-head can steal my "Chilli Peppers" CD. Otherwise the perp would just steal from someone else instead. So, I am theft enabling and supporting the theft-culture when I lock my car door. WTF! This is the definition of crazy.

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John D wrote:
JAB wrote:(Note... I have no evidence to back up this idea) It seems to me that the stranger rapist is likely going out to rape somebody, likely anybody (likely sex dependent, though). So if you want to be safe from this you follow the rules everyone says... not walking alone, or in skimpy clothing etc. Seems like this might be good advice to keep it from happening to you. BUT, the rape still happens, but to someone else. You would think those interested in reducing the rate of rape wouldn't spend too much time on this one (after all, rape still happens a lot in Saudi Arabia). That has to be handled by working on the root of the matter, whatever that is. Promoting those other strategies that only serve to collapse the odds onto fewer targets leads one to victim blaming.
So what kind of universe do we live in if we do not try to prevent crime against ourselves and our personal property? Perhaps I should leave my car unlocked so some fuck-head can steal my "Chilli Peppers" CD. Otherwise the perp would just steal from someone else instead. So, I am theft enabling and supporting the theft-culture when I lock my car door. WTF! This is the definition of crazy.
There are some crimes that are crimes of opportunity and if the opportunity isn't there then they won't happen. It's still a good idea for you to do that for your own good even for crimes that aren't that. I'm just saying that it won't reduce overall crime if the criminal was determined to steal something and would keep hunting around until he found something to steal.

Another example is a program I heard of where the welfare office was trying to reduce unemployment by showing the unemployed how to improve their resume writing skills. Not their job skills. Surely this created no jobs even though the people in the program were more likely to find employment. All it did was change who got the jobs. Not sure why that was the welfare office's goal. I would have thought their goal would be to reduce unemployment by increasing job skills etc rather than just shuffling around who was unemployed.

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[quote="ERV"]Nanny Benson, Twatson, and the kid who should be studying are having a discussion about whether they should hate Jesus and Mo forever and never find any of the cartoons funny because of the 'Girls' comic.

Where? I could use some lulz right about now. :banana-dance: :text-link:

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JAB wrote:
John D wrote:
JAB wrote:(Note... I have no evidence to back up this idea) It seems to me that the stranger rapist is likely going out to rape somebody, likely anybody (likely sex dependent, though). So if you want to be safe from this you follow the rules everyone says... not walking alone, or in skimpy clothing etc. Seems like this might be good advice to keep it from happening to you. BUT, the rape still happens, but to someone else. You would think those interested in reducing the rate of rape wouldn't spend too much time on this one (after all, rape still happens a lot in Saudi Arabia). That has to be handled by working on the root of the matter, whatever that is. Promoting those other strategies that only serve to collapse the odds onto fewer targets leads one to victim blaming.
So what kind of universe do we live in if we do not try to prevent crime against ourselves and our personal property? Perhaps I should leave my car unlocked so some fuck-head can steal my "Chilli Peppers" CD. Otherwise the perp would just steal from someone else instead. So, I am theft enabling and supporting the theft-culture when I lock my car door. WTF! This is the definition of crazy.
There are some crimes that are crimes of opportunity and if the opportunity isn't there then they won't happen. It's still a good idea for you to do that for your own good even for crimes that aren't that. I'm just saying that it won't reduce overall crime if the criminal was determined to steal something and would keep hunting around until he found something to steal.

Another example is a program I heard of where the welfare office was trying to reduce unemployment by showing the unemployed how to improve their resume writing skills. Not their job skills. Surely this created no jobs even though the people in the program were more likely to find employment. All it did was change who got the jobs. Not sure why that was the welfare office's goal. I would have thought their goal would be to reduce unemployment by increasing job skills etc rather than just shuffling around who was unemployed.
So you are claiming that rape is not a crime of opportunity. I disagree strongly. I suspect that nearly all rapes are crimes of opportunity. If the potential rapist finds no targets perhaps they will just go home and drink themselves into a stupor or watch porn on the internet. I doubt very many rapists go out saying to themselves "Hey... I think I will rape someone tonight!" No doubt some do, but not many (in my guesstimation)

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JAB wrote:(Note... I have no evidence to back up this idea) It seems to me that the stranger rapist is likely going out to rape somebody, likely anybody (likely sex dependent, though). So if you want to be safe from this you follow the rules everyone says... not walking alone, or in skimpy clothing etc. Seems like this might be good advice to keep it from happening to you. BUT, the rape still happens, but to someone else.
This reminds me about the scarborough rapist, Paul Bernardo. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Bernardo
JAB wrote: You would think those interested in reducing the rate of rape wouldn't spend too much time on this one (after all, rape still happens a lot in Saudi Arabia). That has to be handled by working on the root of the matter, whatever that is. Promoting those other strategies that only serve to collapse the odds onto fewer targets leads one to victim blaming.
I get the impression that they are not really interested in any workable solutions. The opposite actually. Almost as if they want the situation to continue. The question is why would they want that?

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AndrewV69 wrote:
TedDahlberg wrote: I think you're confusing the accusation of crimes with convictions of crime. There is no way you can stop someone from maliciously accusing you of a crime. But the accusation doesn't mean an automatic conviction. And no, the courts here are nowhere near as arbitrary as you seem to have been led to believe.
At this point I find your arguments compelling enough to drop my previous conclusions. I would like to thank you and acathode for your responses.

They were very much appreciated.
File this under "the type of discussion one will never see on FreethoughtBlogs".

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So the baboons are now having a one-handed wankfest over "What does an Ideal Society look and feel like?"

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1050

Leaving aside the sinister sub-Brechtian overtones, and the fact that not only could they not organise a piss-up in a brewery and that they're afraid of sodding T-shirts, the whole thing gets to the nub of the core of baboonia - they want to be in charge, and they get off on telling others what to do, and how to behave. One can't help feeling that their whole sense of self-worth comes from both how oppressed they think they are (classic victimology of the "help, help, I'm being repressed" school) and anger and seething hatred that the morality they derive from this victim-hood doesn't translate to them being in charge. Because they care, don't you see?

And like any and all other Utopian movements, when it fails, they'll inevitably decide that it failed because they didn't murder enough people.

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Git wrote:So the baboons are now having a one-handed wankfest over "What does an Ideal Society look and feel like?"

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1050

Leaving aside the sinister sub-Brechtian overtones, and the fact that not only could they not organise a piss-up in a brewery and that they're afraid of sodding T-shirts, the whole thing gets to the nub of the core of baboonia - they want to be in charge, and they get off on telling others what to do, and how to behave. One can't help feeling that their whole sense of self-worth comes from both how oppressed they think they are (classic victimology of the "help, help, I'm being repressed" school) and anger and seething hatred that the morality they derive from this victim-hood doesn't translate to them being in charge. Because they care, don't you see?

And like any and all other Utopian movements, when it fails, they'll inevitably decide that it failed because they didn't murder enough people.
Spot on. I have nothing to add there, except, of course, The Simpsons nailed this as always;

http://simpsonfever.files.wordpress.com ... .png?w=600

"Equalia: where everyone is equal but we're in charge! I mean, someone has to be, right?"

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Australians, the game is up! They're on to your nefarious plans.

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ERV wrote:I still dont understand those of you who describe Watson as 'smart'
Somebody here described Watson as smart? Are you sure it wasn't just oolon playing diplomat again? Before EG I thought of watson as that Drunk [writ aggressive] who got kicked off the JREF forum. now I see her as that Drunk who got kicked off the JREF forum AND gets to make an income out of being as insightful as a bag of toenail clippings (this last part was also always true, but she wasn't on my radar to notice before A+theism canonized her to sainthood).
ERV wrote:JUST LEAVE. Dont tell me about it, just do it.
hear, hear

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John D wrote:
So you are claiming that rape is not a crime of opportunity. I disagree strongly. I suspect that nearly all rapes are crimes of opportunity. If the potential rapist finds no targets perhaps they will just go home and drink themselves into a stupor or watch porn on the internet. I doubt very many rapists go out saying to themselves "Hey... I think I will rape someone tonight!" No doubt some do, but not many (in my guesstimation)
Yeah, now that I think about it you're likely right that most are of opportunity, although the Bernardo case mentioned by Andrew likely wasn't. He went out to rape, then switched to going out to kidnap, rape and kill.

The guy who breaks into cars to steal cds maybe isn't doing it just due to opportunity... likely has a goal to steal as much as he needs to that night to pay for is next fix, then runs straight to is dealer.

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Saint N. wrote:
ERV wrote:I still dont understand those of you who describe Watson as 'smart'
Somebody here described Watson as smart?
I recall Franc telling someone that no, Watson isn't dumb at all, rather, she's as smart as a fox.

Of course, "smart as a fox" can be interpreted in more than one way.

/tattle

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JAB at http://www.slymepit.com/phpbb/viewtopic ... 500#p15031 said:
Another example is a program I heard of where the welfare office was trying to reduce unemployment by showing the unemployed how to improve their resume writing skills. Not their job skills. Surely this created no jobs even though the people in the program were more likely to find employment. All it did was change who got the jobs. Not sure why that was the welfare office's goal. I would have thought their goal would be to reduce unemployment by increasing job skills etc rather than just shuffling around who was unemployed.
This is a wee bit off-topic, but exactly the same thing happened here in BC a number of years ago (early Premier Campbell days). Partly because of specific inside information, and partly because of first-hand knowledge as a participant in a number of those make-work programs, I can tell you with absolute certainty that it was neither the Welfare ministry's, nor the resume re-write program provider's intention to either increase the employment rate, decrease the uemployment rate, or anything like that.

On behalf of the ministry, the intention was basically two-fold: 1. to reduce the number of people on welfare -- whether or not they got jobs was completely irrelevant, and was quite specificaly and intentionally not part of the stated and written in-house ministerial startegies and goals; 2. to give the appearance, for the sake of pubic relations, of having made some constructive steps toward "helping" the unemployed.

On behalf of the resume re-write, and similar program providers, the goal was entirely to maintain their own jobs/incomes by re-structuring the programs they provided, on an annual basis, so as to continue getting funds from the government.

I know this to be fact for several reason, not the least of whch was that I was one of the technical writers responsible for putting together the welfare ministry's in-house documents on policy, and how to deal with the public, and the associated goals therein.

I was also involved as a participant in several "work" programs, as well as having a minor role in helping some of the program providers write proposals for their programs, and in two instances, while a program participant, I had to show the program providers how to do their jobs because they were not only insuffuciently trained, they simply had no skills in that area.

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I haven't raped anyone today. Yet.

it's only 11:58pm, though...

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Gumby wrote:
Saint N. wrote:
ERV wrote:I still dont understand those of you who describe Watson as 'smart'
Somebody here described Watson as smart?
I recall Franc telling someone that no, Watson isn't dumb at all, rather, she's as smart as a fox.

Of course, "smart as a fox" can be interpreted in more than one way.

/tattle
IIRC he took it back when he was informed she made a glaring factual error in a presentation she made, a really obvious one that I can't remember at all now...

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Tsheo wrote:
Gumby wrote:
Saint N. wrote:
ERV wrote:I still dont understand those of you who describe Watson as 'smart'
Somebody here described Watson as smart?
I recall Franc telling someone that no, Watson isn't dumb at all, rather, she's as smart as a fox.

Of course, "smart as a fox" can be interpreted in more than one way.

/tattle
IIRC he took it back when he was informed she made a glaring factual error in a presentation she made, a really obvious one that I can't remember at all now...
Wasn't she the one who said Galileo was killed by the Church? Maybe that was it.

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windy wrote:Australians, the game is up! They're on to your nefarious plans.
WTF?? I admit, at first I figured Brownian (Ian Brown) was being ironic, in showing how crude xenophobic stereotyping looks when you're on the receiving end. But like a dummy, I gave Ian Brown far too credit in assuming he is not...a dummy. No, Ian Brown is being serious in his sweeping generalisations that all Australians are likely to be scumbags:
Brownian
15 September 2012 at 3:28 pm

I believe Brownian is engaging in irony.

I’m not being ironic at all. It is incontrovertible that Australians have a legacy of inhuman brutality, savagery, thuggery, and lust for blood. When they weren’t destroying their environment, they were shooting dark-skinned children for fun.

Just Google “Australia” and “racism” or “genocide”. You can spend days reading about how gleefully they put bullets in the backs of Aborigines. The Myall Creek massacre is particularly cute in that it shows real Australian pioneer bravery: they tied thirty Aborigines together, mostly old men, women, and children, all unarmed, and chopped them up with swords.

If StevoR wants to claim that he’s against these things, well, his people are among the worst offenders.

Of course, since he’s a drunk little coward too afraid to admit this to himself, he’ll keep making the same old claims, never realising that nearly every one of them indicts his people as well, save one:

It’s a different story when white people do it, apparently.

Couldn’t give a shit about skin colour personally

Fucking liar.
But the supreme irony - which Ian Brown has somehow contrived to miss - is that he's saying this in order to refute StevoR, who's running his usual stick in saying, effectively, that pretty much all muslims are like scary daleks!

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John D wrote: So you are claiming that rape is not a crime of opportunity. I disagree strongly. I suspect that nearly all rapes are crimes of opportunity. If the potential rapist finds no targets perhaps they will just go home and drink themselves into a stupor or watch porn on the internet. I doubt very many rapists go out saying to themselves "Hey... I think I will rape someone tonight!" No doubt some do, but not many (in my guesstimation)

Agree with this. It's the same as someone with a predilection towards breaking into houses*... if they walk past 20 houses all too secure for him to bother breaking into, he won't. He'll go home, do whatever he does, and try again some other time when he walks past a house with no-one home but some windows open.

*I was friends with a girl in high school whose boyfriend had a house breaking habit. He only ever broke into houses with windows left open, during the day while the occupants were out at work. He'd just do it while out and about, walking to the shops or the bus or whatever. He didn't leave the house thinking "no matter what, I'll break into a house today, even if it means breaking into a place with an alarm and a guard dog". Low hanging fruit.
Gumby wrote:Wasn't she the one who said Galileo was killed by the Church? Maybe that was it.
Yeah that was it.

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Ah yes. Those racist australians, what they needed was a residential school system to break up aboriginal families and expose children to tuberculosis. Thats the way a civilised country, like Canada, commits genocide.

*puffs pipe, strokes beard*

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I know you all know this one, so I'll leave it for onlookers. You can laugh of everything, but not with everybody:

[youtube]zTpDlXb_UyI[/youtube]

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[youtube]uRz8FWPUmpI[/youtube]

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Australia's most cultured artiste:

Kevin 'Bloody' Wilson

[youtube]twI5XVCgo6c[/youtube]

You can only imagine what the Baboons would make of him.

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Tigzy wrote: But the supreme irony - which Ian Brown has somehow contrived to miss - is that he's saying this in order to refute StevoR, who's running his usual stick in saying, effectively, that pretty much all muslims are like scary daleks!
I don't think he's missing it, it's probably some sort of "trap" for StevoR. But, it's funny how these collective guilt arguments are okay when convenient...

Mano Singham has a more level-headed post about the subject (great blog btw, despite the location). Although some people are objecting to his assessment of Muslims as prone to violent anger when offended, no-one has yet attributed it to the genocidal tendencies of Sri Lankans?!

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windy wrote:
Tigzy wrote: But the supreme irony - which Ian Brown has somehow contrived to miss - is that he's saying this in order to refute StevoR, who's running his usual stick in saying, effectively, that pretty much all muslims are like scary daleks!
I don't think he's missing it, it's probably some sort of "trap" for StevoR. But, it's funny how these collective guilt arguments are okay when convenient...
Never underestimate how stupid Brownian actually is.

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Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:I haven't raped anyone today. Yet.

it's only 11:58pm, though...
Let's hear that from Alicja... oh, she's a Gender Traitor, which only means your secrets are safe with her.

How are you feeling?

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cunt wrote:
windy wrote:
Tigzy wrote: But the supreme irony - which Ian Brown has somehow contrived to miss - is that he's saying this in order to refute StevoR, who's running his usual stick in saying, effectively, that pretty much all muslims are like scary daleks!
I don't think he's missing it, it's probably some sort of "trap" for StevoR. But, it's funny how these collective guilt arguments are okay when convenient...
Never underestimate how stupid Brownian actually is.
I'm waiting for him to start declaring SteveR "enemies of the people" or suchlike.

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worth repeating

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Tigzy begins a character list -

Nanny Fee:
Tigzy wrote: withered, superfluous polyp on the body of skepticism.

The Pudgy Pink Princess:
Tigzy wrote:as thick as pigshit, as sly as fuck and an adept emotional manipulator who has a keen instinct for self-promotion, given that her intellectual contributions to Atheism/skepticism are precisely nil, even though she has conned what seems to be many, many people into believing otherwise.

Tigzy decides to be polite:
Tigzy wrote:Oh please, do kindly fuck off... It would be a wonderful, wonderful thing.

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Spence wrote:
Michael K Gray wrote:
disumbrationist wrote:...the function 1-(1-x)^n can be approximated by n*x if x is near zero and n << 1/x...
Eh???
I'd put good money on that what you say is not true.
The problem I find is that most people do not find stats intuitive so taking shortcuts like this abstracts from what is actually being done and generally more mistakes get made (in my experience).
Ah, I see now. The Range was assumed to be artificially restricted to x>=0.
My immediate gut reaction on seeing this supposed equivalence is that it fails spectacularly when x is negative.
(Say x=-0.01 & n=2000; 1 - (-1 + x)^20=-4.39286*10^8 & n*x=-20. Error=-4.39286*10^8. !!!)

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For his accusations that Obama supporters "pay no income taxes" and "are dependent on government handouts," Mitt Romney can go take a flying fuck at a rolling donut.

Mormon arsebag.

Lying Rethuglican liar.

Condescending cloaca.

Mendacious rectal wart.

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Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:I haven't raped anyone today. Yet.
Progress! Cool! Keep it up. You da man!

Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote: it's only 11:58pm, though...
Oh fuck!

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BarnOwl wrote:For his accusations that Obama supporters "pay no income taxes" and "are dependent on government handouts," Mitt Romney can go take a flying fuck at a rolling donut.
You're completely wrong and Romney is correct. How else would Goldman Sachs and other investment banks have survived without handouts. Okay, Mitt was a bit hyperbolic when he said Obama supporters pay no taxes, I think he meant the capital gains tax is low and with a good lawyer and good connections you pay practically no income tax.

I was surprised at how truthful Romney was, quite refreshing to hear from a politician.

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Sulaco wrote: Okay, Mitt was a bit hyperbolic when he said Obama supporters pay no taxes, I think he meant the capital gains tax is low and with a good lawyer and good connections you pay practically no income tax.
I'm sure that part is true, and of course Mitt Romney would know about good lawyers and good connections. How foolish of me to forget that the capital gains tax is low! :mrgreen:

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Michael K Gray wrote:
Spence wrote:
Michael K Gray wrote:
disumbrationist wrote:...the function 1-(1-x)^n can be approximated by n*x if x is near zero and n << 1/x...
Eh???
I'd put good money on that what you say is not true.
The problem I find is that most people do not find stats intuitive so taking shortcuts like this abstracts from what is actually being done and generally more mistakes get made (in my experience).
Ah, I see now. The Range was assumed to be artificially restricted to x>=0.
My immediate gut reaction on seeing this supposed equivalence is that it fails spectacularly when x is negative.
(Say x=-0.01 & n=2000; 1 - (-1 + x)^20=-4.39286*10^8 & n*x=-20. Error=-4.39286*10^8. !!!)
all this maths I'm too blond to comprehend is making me hot.

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BarnOwl wrote:For his accusations that Obama supporters "pay no income taxes" and "are dependent on government handouts," Mitt Romney can go take a flying fuck at a rolling donut.

Mormon arsebag.

Lying Rethuglican liar.

Condescending cloaca.

Mendacious rectal wart.
He lost the presidency, so it's okay to laugh about his reference to FfTB (47% of Merkins believe they are victims.)

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sacha wrote:
BarnOwl wrote:For his accusations that Obama supporters "pay no income taxes" and "are dependent on government handouts," Mitt Romney can go take a flying fuck at a rolling donut.

Mormon arsebag.

Lying Rethuglican liar.

Condescending cloaca.

Mendacious rectal wart.
He lost the presidency, so it's okay to laugh about his reference to FfTB (47% of Merkins believe they are victims.)
He also said these people that believe they are victims are “unwilling to take responsibility for their lives.”.
I had no idea he was keeping up with the FfTB/A+Theism Brigade...

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Michael K Gray wrote:
Spence wrote:
Michael K Gray wrote:
disumbrationist wrote:...the function 1-(1-x)^n can be approximated by n*x if x is near zero and n << 1/x...
Eh???
I'd put good money on that what you say is not true.
The problem I find is that most people do not find stats intuitive so taking shortcuts like this abstracts from what is actually being done and generally more mistakes get made (in my experience).
Ah, I see now. The Range was assumed to be artificially restricted to x>=0.
My immediate gut reaction on seeing this supposed equivalence is that it fails spectacularly when x is negative.
(Say x=-0.01 & n=2000; 1 - (-1 + x)^20=-4.39286*10^8 & n*x=-20. Error=-4.39286*10^8. !!!)

Damn fools, take into account Goldmann's coefficient of exponentials, and the minimum possible reciprocate of a polynomial bifurcation can only be a real number greater than pi(^12).

Unless you're stuck in the 18th Century, ll such distributions must be factored in 8 dimensions, and thus the harpsichord's strings are superficially stronger than a spider's leg hair.

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Bitchspot has a great post up on A+:

http://bitchspot.jadedragononline.com/2 ... nsensical/

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ERV wrote:I still dont understand those of you who describe Watson as 'smart'
Who? Not me. I use terms like "bag of ball bearings". I also repeatedly stress "never confuse cunning with intelligence".

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Ya, I'm not sure if anyone has actually credited Watson with being smart, as in intelligent. She has certainly been credited as being crafty, devious, clever, bright, manipulative, and other such terms, but smart? I don't think so.

She is both highly sensitive to, aware of, and to some degree educated in manipulative rhetoric designed to achieve a quick emotional response. But she is by no means very intelligent, nor is she very educated in a general sort of way. As has been pointed out, Gallileo was murdered by the Church, right Becks?

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The founder of Atheism Plus speaks!

[youtube]mIOi-xFN8yA[/youtube]

This was recorded on September 9th, after the initial blogging flounce but before she blogged about the "hate" directed at her family.

Listening to Jen may increase your likelihood of acquiring reGreta virus. Thus I recommend using a browser add-on such as DownloadHelper to download the video, then play it back 50% faster than normal speed in a program such as VLC Media Player. Doing so will decrease the listening time by nearly 30 minutes while still allowing you to understand what she is saying.

The talk is approximately 38 minutes, followed by Q&A. A mention of Justin Vacula and a "forum dedicated to attacking us" occurs around the 11-minute mark.

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John Greg wrote:Ya, I'm not sure if anyone has actually credited Watson with being smart, as in intelligent. She has certainly been credited as being crafty, devious, clever, bright, manipulative, and other such terms, but smart? I don't think so.

She is both highly sensitive to, aware of, and to some degree educated in manipulative rhetoric designed to achieve a quick emotional response. But she is by no means very intelligent, nor is she very educated in a general sort of way. As has been pointed out, Gallileo was murdered by the Church, right Becks?

:shhh:
And she apparently corrected the mistake about Galileo “within minutes” of having posted the offending YouTube video.

She may well have more than a few “sins” to “atone” for, but making mountains out of molehills doesn’t seem to reflect terribly well on those doing so. Particularly in comparison to some of the rather more egregious cases in this neck of the woods, notably WoolyBumblebee’s plagiarism ....

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Excellent blog, Badger3k!

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Michael K Gray wrote:
Spence wrote:
Michael K Gray wrote:
disumbrationist wrote:...the function 1-(1-x)^n can be approximated by n*x if x is near zero and n << 1/x...
Eh???
I'd put good money on that what you say is not true.
The problem I find is that most people do not find stats intuitive so taking shortcuts like this abstracts from what is actually being done and generally more mistakes get made (in my experience).
Ah, I see now. The Range was assumed to be artificially restricted to x>=0.
My immediate gut reaction on seeing this supposed equivalence is that it fails spectacularly when x is negative.
(Say x=-0.01 & n=2000; 1 - (-1 + x)^20=-4.39286*10^8 & n*x=-20. Error=-4.39286*10^8. !!!)
You have two mistakes in there, highlighted in red. n=2000 is not << 1/x (=100 in this case), and I don't know what you did to the bit in brackets - whether x is positive or negative, it should still just be (1-x)^n. If you take x=-0.01 and n = 20 (a combination which fits Spence's conditions fairly well), then:

1-(1-x)^n = -0.22

n*x = -0.2

... so whether x is positive or negative, the approximation holds.

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Badger3k wrote:Bitchspot has a great post up on A+:

http://bitchspot.jadedragononline.com/2 ... nsensical/
Good post. And I particularly liked the synopsis of the various “threats” that have been made:
Recently, Rebecca Watson posted a select few “threats” on her blog, yet when you really look at them, they’re certainly no worse than the Atheism+’ers themselves do over on their forums and blogs. The majority are simply “you ought to get raped” comments, which, while vile, are certainly not threats that said individual has any intention of actually raping the recipient. See “trolls” above. In fact, there’s this absurd thing that went around their forums where they told people to “go die in a fire” or “have a dead porcupine shoved up their ass”, and in both cases, the Atheism+ crowd denied they were threats because they weren’t specifically saying they were personally going to do anything to the individual, nor were they encouraging anyone else specifically to do anything to the individual. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander, so if it’s not a threat when the Atheism+ group does it, it’s not a threat when someone does it toward an Atheism+ member.
Although, of course, Wowbagger got into deep shit with the “fire” “threat” and had to apologize which he commendably did. And even PZ is not immune to belatedly recognizing some writing on the wall in now deprecating porcupine “jokes” – better late than never and all that even if he’s clearer on the letter of the law than the principle.

But I wonder about this, although he did say “supposedly”:
But that really is what a lot of women who embrace third-wave feminism want. In fact, if you go look at the Atheism+ forums, they’re supposedly having a wild discussion of finding a way for women to breed on their own so they can entirely do away with the inferior male “species”.
As far as I know, only Edwin Kagin was actually arguing that point, but that was, I think, something of rather clever “Swiftian” modest proposal. Not that many over there were particularly quick in picking up on that. But while there is no doubt that there are more than a few “radfems” who have gone off the deep end – somewhat similar to some of the MRA types – I would be rather surprised if anyone on Atheism-Plus is actually and honestly arguing that position – you wouldn’t, perchance, have a link to a discussion there of that nature?

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masakari2012 wrote:Excellent blog, Badger3k!
It is good. I just found it through this A+theism nonsense. Thanks to the twits, my world has expanded for the better. See, they do have a positive effect....just not the one they want.

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Re: link to the A+ forum on getting rid of men - I do not. I tend to avoid going to the forum. If I get a chance, I may be able to go back and look through the other forums (I think it might have been mentioned at the JREF A+ thread I'm reading - or perhaps the Rationalia thread). However, my reGreta's is acting up - I have a doctors appointment, a test review to write (for review Thursday), and if possible, some Borderlands 2 relaxation, so I am not sure if I'll do it - but if I come across it I will definitely post it here.

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sacha wrote:
Michael K Gray wrote:
Spence wrote:
Michael K Gray wrote:
disumbrationist wrote:...the function 1-(1-x)^n can be approximated by n*x if x is near zero and n << 1/x...
Eh???
I'd put good money on that what you say is not true.
The problem I find is that most people do not find stats intuitive so taking shortcuts like this abstracts from what is actually being done and generally more mistakes get made (in my experience).
Ah, I see now. The Range was assumed to be artificially restricted to x>=0.
My immediate gut reaction on seeing this supposed equivalence is that it fails spectacularly when x is negative.
(Say x=-0.01 & n=2000; 1 - (-1 + x)^20=-4.39286*10^8 & n*x=-20. Error=-4.39286*10^8. !!!)
all this maths I'm too blond to comprehend is making me hot.
Gives a whole new meaning to “sweet nothings” .... if Russian phrases worked for John Cleese in A Fish Called Wanda with Jamie Lee Curtis then no reason that some mathematical jargon might not have similar effects on some people ....

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cunt wrote:Ah yes. Those racist australians, what they needed was a residential school system to break up aboriginal families and expose children to tuberculosis. Thats the way a civilised country, like Canada, commits genocide.

*puffs pipe, strokes beard*
I think that was a manifestation of the law of unintended consequences – a case similar to those described in Jared Diamond’s Guns, Germs and Steel: The Fates of Human Societies – rather than a case of intentional genocide:
CANADA is to investigate claims that tens of thousands of native Indian and Inuit (First Nation) children died of tuberculosis at church-run residential schools in the early 20th century, and that their deaths were hushed up. Campaigners allege that school officials did nothing to halt the march of TB despite warnings, and charge that their inaction was tantamount to genocide.

Christian churches ran up to 88 boarding schools for aboriginal children across Canada between 1874 and 1985. Their stated aim was assimilation; children were forbidden to speak their native languages. Some 200,000 children passed through the schools, attendance was mandatory and the Mounted Police rounded up truants.
Probably not Canada’s “finest hour”, but the intent was apparently to provide an education and integrate natives into the body politic – rather than allowing them to die on the vine on reservations ....

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Evan wrote:The founder of Atheism Plus speaks!

The talk is approximately 38 minutes, followed by Q&A. A mention of Justin Vacula and a "forum dedicated to attacking us" occurs around the 11-minute mark.
1800 mile flight for a 38 minute talk that could have easily, without question, been delivered via Skype.

A† environmentalism in action!

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Sound familiar? (this is about a chemtrail theorist)

http://www.outlawjournalism.com/?p=202
many people who claim to be activists are falling into this trap of delusional obsession, finding dysfunctional comfort in releasing responsibility over their own lives to invisible monsters.
BTW, he is also not a fan of Pussy Riot. Some of you guys should read this methinks:
Western Media’s Pussy Riot Narrative the Most Transparent Example of Organized Manipulation of Public Opinion in History
http://www.outlawjournalism.com/?p=210

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If the name was hidden, there's simply no way to differentiate the gibberish of the big baboon and his shitlick accomplice -

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... smandmras/

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Steersman wrote: Probably not Canada’s “finest hour”, but the intent was apparently to provide an education and integrate natives into the body politic – rather than allowing them to die on the vine on reservations ....
Understatement much about "finest moment"? This was typical of the times both then and now. Formulate some high minded principles and then leave it to some sadists to implement and run the institutions.

Irish Catholic priests were bad, Irish Catholic nuns were the worst, brutal sadists all of them. The Jesuits tended to be the best, but not by much in my opinion (and yes I am biased). If you think priests are bad, fall into the hands of the nuns and you will pray to be buggered instead.

The only reason I would hope that hell is real, would be because I would be certain the whole lot would be roasting in it for all eternity.

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Steersman wrote: Not that many over there were particularly quick in picking up on that. But while there is no doubt that there are more than a few “radfems” who have gone off the deep end – somewhat similar to some of the MRA types – I would be rather surprised if anyone on Atheism-Plus is actually and honestly arguing that position – you wouldn’t, perchance, have a link to a discussion there of that nature?
Oh FFS! Put up or shut up! Show me some MRAs half as bat-shit crazy as this RadFem;

http://cherryblossomlife.com/2012/06/11 ... al-empire/
As the transsexual empire marches onwards, pushing its pawns and drones into spaces that women have until now managed to keep separate from men in an attempt to survive the patriarchal regime, the voices of those who would protest have become ever more silent and marginalized. If women do not agree that a eunuch is the same thing as a woman (which the dictionary defines as: Adult Human Female) and by consequence wish to arrange a meeting which excludes the interlopers, then (as we have seen recently) punishment is swift. Transwomen need only tap Big Brother on the shoulder requesting that women not be allowed to congregate, and their wish is granted.
Or this one:
https://pretendbian.wordpress.com/2012/ ... m-reality/
These insane MALES are trying to erase us, women. They are actively working night and day to ERASE us from our shared language, from our laws, from the face of the earth.

They’re working night and day to erase our uteri.

They’re working night and day to erase our vaginas.

They’re working night and day to erase our breasts.

They’re working night and day to erase our vulvas.

They’re working night and day to erase our menstruation.

They’re working night and day to erase our childbirth.

They’re working night and day to erase our mothering.

They’re working night and day to erase our lactation.

They’re working night and day to erase our clitorises.

They’re working night and day to erase our bones.

They’re working night and day to erase our blood.

They’re working night and day to erase our genes.

They’re working night and day to erase our girlhoods.

They’re working night and day to erase our shared experiences with other women, our sisterhood, our empathy with females world-wide.

They’re working night and day to erase our female experiences.

They’re working night and day to erase our REALITY.

They’re working night and day to erase our EXISTENCE.

They are insisting that everyone on earth participate in their “gender” insanity, that half the human race be ERASED in order to pretend that all we are is an idea in some mentally disturbed man’s brain, his delusional fantasies about “subconsious gender” — that all we are is a PART of his unconscious.

Are you paying attention, women? Are you listening? Are you awake?

Fight back against this insanity before there’s nothing left to fight for.
*sheesh*

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ERV wrote:
Evan wrote:The founder of Atheism Plus speaks!

The talk is approximately 38 minutes, followed by Q&A. A mention of Justin Vacula and a "forum dedicated to attacking us" occurs around the 11-minute mark.
1800 mile flight for a 38 minute talk that could have easily, without question, been delivered via Skype.

A† environmentalism in action!
Why didn't they learn from the more experienced Kansas City atheist activists about this new-fangled Skype technology? They already know about this from a video uploaded 4 months ago to the same YouTube channel as Jen McCreight's A+ talk.

[youtube]hGKiTRraSQc[/youtube]

There is no known way to provide physical drinks and meals over Skype, but they could have reimbursed her with a PayPal donation or a gift card.

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AndrewV69 wrote:
Steersman wrote: Probably not Canada’s “finest hour”, but the intent was apparently to provide an education and integrate natives into the body politic – rather than allowing them to die on the vine on reservations ....
Understatement much about "finest moment"? This was typical of the times both then and now. Formulate some high minded principles and then leave it to some sadists to implement and run the institutions.
Fortunately I put the phrase in quotes – hadn’t been aware of the details. But highlights the aphorism about power corrupting – the necessity for not allowing Dracula to be in charge of the blood-bank. Reminds me of a semi-recent case around about the time of the last federal election here in Canada when it came out that the governments of Canada and Alberta were allowing the multi-nationals in the Tar Sands to be in charge of the environmental monitoring ....
Irish Catholic priests were bad, Irish Catholic nuns were the worst, brutal sadists all of them. The Jesuits tended to be the best, but not by much in my opinion (and yes I am biased). If you think priests are bad, fall into the hands of the nuns and you will pray to be buggered instead.
Yes, I’ve recently heard that more than a few of the Irish Catholic nuns were hell on wheels. Further support for Blaise Pascal’s observation that “Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction.”
The only reason I would hope that hell is real, would be because I would be certain the whole lot would be roasting in it for all eternity.
One can at least sympathize ...

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franc wrote:If the name was hidden, there's simply no way to differentiate the gibberish of the big baboon and his shitlick accomplice -

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... smandmras/
For a biologist with a cat as a house pet PeeZuss is surprising ignorant that the reason cats try not to empty their food bowl is that they wish to maintain a stash or cache of reserve food. They also do not trust humans to refill the bowl on a timely basis.

Cats are of the opinion that human are stupid. The cat that owns PeeZuss has probably been at the limit of his tolerance for as long as he can remember.

They will yell at you to refill the bowl before it gets empty because they do not want to eat their reserve supply. They usually plan ahead and do this before they are actually hungry.

And if the cat keeps barfing up the treat there is usually a good reason for it also. Cats are generally not stupid PeeZuss, but your cat probably has several good reasons to believe you are.

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AndrewV69 wrote:
Steersman wrote: Not that many over there were particularly quick in picking up on that. But while there is no doubt that there are more than a few “radfems” who have gone off the deep end – somewhat similar to some of the MRA types – I would be rather surprised if anyone on Atheism-Plus is actually and honestly arguing that position – you wouldn’t, perchance, have a link to a discussion there of that nature?
Oh FFS! Put up or shut up! Show me some MRAs half as bat-shit crazy as this RadFem ....*sheesh*
For starters you could recollect your own criticisms of A Voice for Men:
Something else to note, there were more than a few comments not supporting the position of the article [by Paul Elam of A Voice for Men], including this one:
Torbjörn Josefsson wrote: Honestly, I think this view smells of crazy – what if someone at a feminist blog made the same promise to “always vote guilty” in rape trials – wouldn’t we be righteously pissed off?

If you have reasonable doubt as to the guilt of the defendant (for example if you feel this specific case has been unfairly handled), by all means vote to acquit, but.. you know there Are men who rape women, and rape is one of the most serious crimes I can think of – are you really saying that even if you believe the defendant is guilty, he should be let go to rape again?

I do not think the word “crazy” is too strong in this case
All movements need checks and balances. Obvious point is obvious. No?
Crazy is as crazy does ....

But you could also take a look at the Man Boobz’ “Boob Roll” for additional cases of that. While I think not all of his criticisms hit the nail on the head, enough of them do, I think, to justify the conclusion that there are more than a few crazies on each side ....

“sheesh” yourself ... :-)

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AndrewV69 wrote:
franc wrote:If the name was hidden, there's simply no way to differentiate the gibberish of the big baboon and his shitlick accomplice -

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... smandmras/
And if the cat keeps barfing up the treat there is usually a good reason for it also. Cats are generally not stupid PeeZuss, but your cat probably has several good reasons to believe you are.
Agreed. And my point is confirmed - that wasn't written by the Naked One. You couldn't tell the difference could you?

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