JackRayner wrote:decius wrote:JackRayner wrote:
I used to ignore this shit, but I can see why Astro, James, and Andrew go off sometimes. This claim is pretty much bullshit.
Feel free to show otherwise.
To show what, that the MRAs' do propaganda, here? And you ask that in a post that mentions ASTRO? ROTFL
Fire away with examples of bullshit dissemination whenever you're ready. :whistle:
Jack, I don't have the time or the inclination to engage in serious refutation of the MRA package, or even of a tenth of the bullshit that has been said here.
However, I will gladly mention a couple of things, hoping that fence-sitters will do their own fact-checking and see for themselves why it isn't worth to follow you down that road.
First of all, propaganda and bullshit dissemination aren't perfect synonymous.
Propaganda is a form of communication that is aimed at influencing the attitude of a community toward some cause or position by presenting only one side of an argument. Propaganda is usually repeated and dispersed over a wide variety of media in order to create the chosen result in audience attitudes.
As opposed to impartially providing information, propaganda, in its most basic sense, presents information primarily to influence an audience. Propaganda often presents facts selectively (thus possibly lying by omission) to encourage a particular synthesis, or uses loaded messages to produce an emotional rather than rational response to the information presented. The desired result is a change of the attitude toward the subject in the target audience to further a political agenda. Propaganda can be used as a form of political warfare.
In the light of the above, consider that Andrew has just openly admitted to a personal recruitment campaign.
Astro, a few pages back, was celebrity-mongering on account of Chaplin's alleged involvement with the MRA. This by itself is as impressive a move as promoting Scientology through Cruise's membership and constitutes a typical propaganda tactic. Chaplin and Cruise are actors, not public intellectuals, so who the fuck cares what they think.
At the same time, we were being loudly assured that MRA really stands for egalitarianism. Does it?
I went to check Chaplin's actual involvement. Apparently he sent a message of support to an MRA group, whose leader claimed that Chaplin was scheduled to speak at one of their meetings. This was reported on a newspaper, but I couldn't find any evidence that he ever showed up, though.
Let's assume he did all these things, of which Astro is clearly very proud.
And here is what that MRA group stood for, in their own words:
“Charlie Chaplin is one of our most ardent supporters abroad†Herr Kornblueh declared, “and since his divorce, he has written to us assuring our organization of his sympathy and emphasizing the necessity of a world wide movement for the emancipation of the oppressed husbands.
“The tyranny of modern women, who demand all rights and refuse all duties, who are marrying men only to lead a careless, workless and childless life, or to obtain a divorce and a lifelong alimony, this shameful tyranny is the underlying cause of all evils.
“Look at the insane asylum Steinhof in Vienna. Fifty percent of the unfortunate inmates were brought to this place because of their marriage.’’
The congress passed a resolution demanding the abolishment of alimonies find other unequal pacts between the two sexes, and protesting against the favoritism of the authorities in favor of women, especially the siding of the police with the wives whenever a domestic quarrel develops.
The Justitia is the first organization in the world fighting for the “emancipation of men,†and makes its appeal to all those “in revolt against the oppression of the female sex.†Only the freedom of men can prevent the white race from decline and ruin, declares one of the organizations proclamations.
“The only trouble is,†confessed Kornblueh, “there are few courageous men. Husbands are too cowardly, while bachelors are perhaps too willing to join our organization.â€
Some egalitarians, there.
