Periodic Table of Swearing

Continuation of the post at Abbie Smith's ERV blog (http://scienceblogs.com/erv/)

Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby ReneeHendricks » Thu Dec 20, 2012 3:26 pm  •  [Post 36271]

Pitchguest wrote:Hahaha, yes! You could always ask Greta Christina for some of that leftover money. I'm sure she'd be thrilled to pass it along! :lol:

Seriously, though, tell your guy to hang in there, Renee! And you, too. :handgestures-thumbupright:


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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby JackRayner » Thu Dec 20, 2012 3:27 pm  •  [Post 36272]

Pitchguest wrote:Who needs feminism?

Not this man.


Good 'ol paternity fraud.

That's why I am an advocate for DNA tests. A woman asking "Don't you trust me?", or getting all "offended" is just a fucking red herring. I put much more stock on people's capacity to act like the animals that we are and to then to lie about it forever. You don't? Then, by all means, carry on being a chump and believing that people are all that they say they are...
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby John Brown » Thu Dec 20, 2012 3:30 pm  •  [Post 36273]

JackRayner wrote:
Pitchguest wrote:Who needs feminism?

Not this man.


Good 'ol paternity fraud.

That's why I am an advocate for DNA tests. A woman asking "Don't you trust me?", or getting all "offended" is just a fucking red herring. I put much more stock on people's capacity to act like the animals that we are and to then to lie about it forever. You don't? Then, by all means, carry on being a chump and believing that people are all that they say they are...


Barring any bizarre extenuating circumstances, women are always, 100% sure that their child is theirs. Men only have probability to fall back on.

I don't agree with mandatory DNA testing, but I think it should only take one parent to request such a thing at the time of birth.
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Re: Modes of transportation and the feeble mind

Postby Rystefn » Thu Dec 20, 2012 3:32 pm  •  [Post 36274]

welch wrote:
mordacious1 wrote:So, let me get this straight, Watson doesn't learn to drive until she's in her thirties (presumably because she was never sober enough to get behind the wheel) and McFreight rode a bike for the first time last year. What is wrong with these people? Then we have McFreight's dad, who is going to beat up the internet because they're making fun of his princess, but he couldn't even take the time to teach her to ride a friggin' bicycle. Man that's just weird.


Watson lives in Boston. That's actually common for that area. My mom grew up in chicago, she never learned to drive, she had no need.

The bike thing is...yeah, how the fuck do you grow up and never ride a bike?


I never owned a bike a kid. Never needed one as an adult.Might be on her parents.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Dick Strawkins » Thu Dec 20, 2012 3:32 pm  •  [Post 36275]

ReneeHendricks wrote:Because you guys don't sugar coat shit and because this is one of the last places my somewhat 'net savvy relatives won't come calling, I need to get some cold hard facts on lymphoma. My guy *might* be dealing with this and, to be quite honest, I'm scared fucking shitless. I don't want to lose the very best friend I've ever had in this world.


I work in cancer research.
You need to get answers to three questions.
First, does he have lymphoma (it might be a reactive condition or an infection rather than lymphoma)
Second, if it IS lymphoma, which type is it - there are many different kinds.
Third, if it IS lymphoma, and you know which type, what stage is it - this will determine the treatment and most likely prognosis.

Overall lymphoma is not one of the worst malignancies to get.
It does need to be treated quickly though, to ensure you have the best chances of getting rid of it.
There are a lot of new drugs coming on the market that are showing very good effects in various malignancies, including lymphoma so even the worst kind will be much more treatable these days than it would have even a decade ago.
If you find out the answers to the three questions above you can PM me and I can give you a more accurate picture.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Rystefn » Thu Dec 20, 2012 3:34 pm  •  [Post 36276]

soldierwhy wrote:It is not unusual in towns near Garrisons to witness signs in bars saying 'no soldiers'.


I never saw one. You sure that's not an urban legend?
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby John Brown » Thu Dec 20, 2012 3:36 pm  •  [Post 36277]

Rystefn wrote:
soldierwhy wrote:It is not unusual in towns near Garrisons to witness signs in bars saying 'no soldiers'.


I never saw one. You sure that's not an urban legend?


I saw them up north in Germany, but never down south.

It's not that explicit in Japan or Korea. You're just made very unwelcome once you step inside certain establishments.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby soldierwhy » Thu Dec 20, 2012 3:46 pm  •  [Post 36278]

Rystefn wrote:
soldierwhy wrote:It is not unusual in towns near Garrisons to witness signs in bars saying 'no soldiers'.


I never saw one. You sure that's not an urban legend?


Quite common in the parts of Germany that I have been based - Bremen, Hannover, Rheindahlen, Lippstadt, Soltau, Krefeld, Hohne, Soest, Herford, Fallingbostel, Osnabruck and Dortmund.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Rystefn » Thu Dec 20, 2012 3:47 pm  •  [Post 36279]

soldierwhy wrote:
Rystefn wrote:
soldierwhy wrote:It is not unusual in towns near Garrisons to witness signs in bars saying 'no soldiers'.


I never saw one. You sure that's not an urban legend?


Quite common in the parts of Germany that I have been based - Bremen, Hannover, Rheindahlen, Lippstadt, Soltau, Krefeld, Hohne, Soest, Herford, Fallingbostel, Osnabruck and Dortmund.


Guess I was just lucky, then... or wasn't looking for them so they didn't register... or a million other reasons I wouldn't have seen any, I guess.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby SPACKlick » Thu Dec 20, 2012 3:48 pm  •  [Post 36280]

Lol Feminism

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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby JackRayner » Thu Dec 20, 2012 4:02 pm  •  [Post 36281]

John Brown wrote:
JackRayner wrote:
Pitchguest wrote:Who needs feminism?

Not this man.


Good 'ol paternity fraud.

That's why I am an advocate for DNA tests. A woman asking "Don't you trust me?", or getting all "offended" is just a fucking red herring. I put much more stock on people's capacity to act like the animals that we are and to then to lie about it forever. You don't? Then, by all means, carry on being a chump and believing that people are all that they say they are...


Barring any bizarre extenuating circumstances, women are always, 100% sure that their child is theirs. Men only have probability to fall back on.

I don't agree with mandatory DNA testing, but I think it should only take one parent to request such a thing at the time of birth.


I think they should be mandatory for mothers seeking child support. None of this your name is on the birth certificate as the father so you're fucked-nonsense that some places have as a "law". Definitely agree on the only having to need one of the "parents", since even I can understand that some women will find the proposition extremely offensive to their civilized sensibilities.

I, however, in the event that I change my mind and decide to have children, would make it very clear from the start that I would be requiring a DNA test. More so when I don't practice monogamy*. I didn't pay for other dude's kids when I dated single mothers monogamously, so I sure as Hell won't be doing it otherwise.

*Yeah, sorry to trouble you gentlemen and gentleladies with this most barbarous topic again, but here goes: Whatever my reasons for abandoning monogamous relationships may have been, after becoming involved with enough women who were supposed to be in monogamous relationships, and who never even dream of fessing up to their boyfriends/fiances/whatevers about what they've done/continue to do, I strongly doubt that I will be returning to monogamy. Ha...
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Scented Nectar » Thu Dec 20, 2012 4:07 pm  •  [Post 36282]

katamari Damassi wrote:Question: I've made a couple of unsuccessful attempts to embed a youtube video. I've tried using the youtube feature when posting and I've tried using the embed feature on youtube, neither one worked for me. What am I doing wrong?

Aha!!! Another chance for me to post my every-so-often YouTube Embedding Tutorial:

A youtube video url will come in two different types. The kind with the video code at the end, and the kind with the code in the middle. You need to strip off this extra stuff before putting the code (alone) between the youtube tags.

Here are two different urls going to the same video:
Code: Select all
code at the end:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KkfT2pGsWg

and code in the middle:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KkfT2pGsWg&list=PLF070CB616ACA2D04&index=14

Always get rid of everything up to and including, the first (or only) equal sign "=".
The stuff after it is the code, but note in the second example, there is extra stuff after the code.
The extra stuff after always begins with an "&" followed by whatever extra stuff.
Strip off the &'s and the extra stuff following at the end.

To sum it up, just keep the part between the first "=" and the first "&" (if there is one).

We are left with just the code: 7KkfT2pGsWg so...
Code: Select all
Now put that inside youtube tags:
[youtube]7KkfT2pGsWg[/youtube]

The above tag and code will become this when posted:

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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby ReneeHendricks » Thu Dec 20, 2012 4:15 pm  •  [Post 36283]

Dick Strawkins wrote:
ReneeHendricks wrote:Because you guys don't sugar coat shit and because this is one of the last places my somewhat 'net savvy relatives won't come calling, I need to get some cold hard facts on lymphoma. My guy *might* be dealing with this and, to be quite honest, I'm scared fucking shitless. I don't want to lose the very best friend I've ever had in this world.


I work in cancer research.
You need to get answers to three questions.
First, does he have lymphoma (it might be a reactive condition or an infection rather than lymphoma)
Second, if it IS lymphoma, which type is it - there are many different kinds.
Third, if it IS lymphoma, and you know which type, what stage is it - this will determine the treatment and most likely prognosis.

Overall lymphoma is not one of the worst malignancies to get.
It does need to be treated quickly though, to ensure you have the best chances of getting rid of it.
There are a lot of new drugs coming on the market that are showing very good effects in various malignancies, including lymphoma so even the worst kind will be much more treatable these days than it would have even a decade ago.
If you find out the answers to the three questions above you can PM me and I can give you a more accurate picture.


Ok, will do. We should be finding out more soon. We're waiting on a call back today (at least to schedule him in for a more intensive look). Thanks!
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby John Brown » Thu Dec 20, 2012 4:19 pm  •  [Post 36284]

JackRayner wrote:
John Brown wrote:
JackRayner wrote:
Good 'ol paternity fraud.

That's why I am an advocate for DNA tests. A woman asking "Don't you trust me?", or getting all "offended" is just a fucking red herring. I put much more stock on people's capacity to act like the animals that we are and to then to lie about it forever. You don't? Then, by all means, carry on being a chump and believing that people are all that they say they are...


Barring any bizarre extenuating circumstances, women are always, 100% sure that their child is theirs. Men only have probability to fall back on.

I don't agree with mandatory DNA testing, but I think it should only take one parent to request such a thing at the time of birth.


I think they should be mandatory for mothers seeking child support. None of this your name is on the birth certificate as the father so you're fucked-nonsense that some places have as a "law". Definitely agree on the only having to need one of the "parents", since even I can understand that some women will find the proposition extremely offensive to their civilized sensibilities.

I, however, in the event that I change my mind and decide to have children, would make it very clear from the start that I would be requiring a DNA test. More so when I don't practice monogamy*. I didn't pay for other dude's kids when I dated single mothers monogamously, so I sure as Hell won't be doing it otherwise.

*Yeah, sorry to trouble you gentlemen and gentleladies with this most barbarous topic again, but here goes: Whatever my reasons for abandoning monogamous relationships may have been, after becoming involved with enough women who were supposed to be in monogamous relationships, and who never even dream of fessing up to their boyfriends/fiances/whatevers about what they've done/continue to do, I strongly doubt that I will be returning to monogamy. Ha...
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Ah, yes. If the state is going after you for child support, then a paternity test should be absolutely mandatory. No test, no support.

Agreed.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Phil_Giordana_FCD » Thu Dec 20, 2012 4:23 pm  •  [Post 36285]

ReneeHendricks wrote:


The ENT doctor is scheduling him for more in-depth things in the next few weeks.


Ent Doctor is not amused:

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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby KiwiInOz » Thu Dec 20, 2012 4:25 pm  •  [Post 36286]

SPACKlick wrote:
franc wrote:Sounds like applying the concept of karma for practical common benefit to me.

It's kinda fundamentalist to simply ditch a word because of its preconceived associations rather than ruminate on the ideas behind the word. Sure, it has it's roots in eastern mysticism - but that does not automatically mean it's gibberish glasshoppa.

No, it's applying true concepts for practical benefit, rather than taking a woo concept and all its baggage and trying to 1) apply it as a white lie to benefit society 2) Strip away the baggage.

enlightened self interest = good, true, useful
Karma = woo and not useful in and of itself.


My view on karma - take care; because the feet you stand on today may be connected to the arse you have to kiss tomorrow.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby AndrewV69 » Thu Dec 20, 2012 4:27 pm  •  [Post 36287]

JackRayner wrote:
Pitchguest wrote:Who needs feminism?

Not this man.


Good 'ol paternity fraud.

That's why I am an advocate for DNA tests. A woman asking "Don't you trust me?", or getting all "offended" is just a fucking red herring. I put much more stock on people's capacity to act like the animals that we are and to then to lie about it forever. You don't? Then, by all means, carry on being a chump and believing that people are all that they say they are...


This kind of story surfaces pretty frequently in the "Manosphere" (when some of these guys post comments they are labelled as a mysogynist BTW). What is not mentioned in this story is that quite often, while the guy is in jail for failure to make payments, even if the payments exceed his income or are excessive enough that he is unable to support himself, the clock on support payments is still running. The USA has in effect reinstated debtors prisons. The court apparently issues "contempt of court" or similar legal fictions.

Link reposted:
http://articles.cnn.com/2009-07-15/just ... s=PM:CRIME
Court documents show that Hatley for the most part continued to make payments. He was jailed for six months in 2006 for falling behind on payments during a period of unemployment, but afterward he resumed making payments and continued to do so even after he lost another job in 2008 and became homeless, court records state.

Last year, he again became unable to maintain the payments and was once again jailed.



Before anyone calls me out for spewing bullshit, here is the 2010 report by the Michigan court about the underground economy and child support system.

http://courts.michigan.gov/scao/resourc ... F-2010.pdf
PREVENTION PRINCIPLE 3: Indigent prisoners and jail inmates should not accrue any
additional support arrears until they regain their freedom and the ability to earn income.


Some of you guys have no clue how far this rot has spread. When some guys spout off about "living under the jackboots of the gynocrocy" they are being perfectly serious, because they are.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby KiwiInOz » Thu Dec 20, 2012 4:28 pm  •  [Post 36288]

Altair wrote:
John Brown wrote:
ReneeHendricks wrote:Because you guys don't sugar coat shit and because this is one of the last places my somewhat 'net savvy relatives won't come calling, I need to get some cold hard facts on lymphoma. My guy *might* be dealing with this and, to be quite honest, I'm scared fucking shitless. I don't want to lose the very best friend I've ever had in this world.


Other than that, it's going to be a cruel, cruel waiting game. But, don't feel like you have to struggle through it alone. I'm sure most here would agree, even if we don't really "know" each other in real life, we still "know" each other. So, don't hesitate to PM if you just need to talk.


I don't have any information or first-hand experience with cancer, so I'm just going to reiterate what John said. I know most of us are far away from each other, and we've never met personally, but if you need to talk, to vent or find something we can help you, you can count on me (and surely on everyone else here, I just don't want to speak for someone other than myself).

I hope things get better, and stay strong.


Ditto, ditto, and ditto - To Renee and everyone else who has shared the crap going on in their lives at various times, here at the Slymepit.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby welch » Thu Dec 20, 2012 5:05 pm  •  [Post 36289]

LMU wrote:
Angry_Drunk wrote:
Honestly, the worst part of having a podcast is the audience.



:lol:

Question for welch: I liked your posts but why should we mock them? If they are trolls should we not ignore them? Don't we run the risk of inadvertently advertising for them the way PZ does for us?

Note I'm not actually suggesting that we do just ignore them, or I wouldn't be lurking here and laughing at them.

Also thank yous to Lsuoma, SN, RH, and others for being patient with new people and explaining youtube tags.


Because the issue is, they aren't actually "trolls" in the classic sense. "Manipulators" would be the more correct version. For example, take the apple TV. Not the product they actually SELL, but the unicorn that is a screen of random sizes with an apple logo on it and will magically solve all the problems of the TV and cable industries.

There are a lot, and I mean a LOT of people heavily invested in pumping this up, and it is a great way to generate traffic. We, (AMB) and a few others spend a lot of time bolloxing these arguments, because they actually can have a real effect. If enough idiots dominate the conversation to say Apple "missed" a ship date on an unannounced product, that can affect their stock price, even though it is complete bullshit. So allowing them to make such specious claims unanswered is actually bad.

Same thing with Watson et al, only there's an even bigger reason. In every city you see these events at, there are smart people. Local people. They can speak on a wide range of subjects of interest to the skeptical community with authority and style. Every time, EVERY time you fly in a speaker, you remove a chance to hear someone who may not be as well known, but just as smart. Look at the list for Skepticon 5. Who the fuck other than JT was even slightly local? I bet not more than 5. The more a small number of people dominate the speaking list for events, the more homogenous those events become. If I see the same fucking speakers over and over at various conventions, why the hell should I go to more than one? Is the content of JT, Greta, Anthony Pinn, Dillahunty's talks going to be any different between Skepticon or the North Texas event?

This is why I'm NOT talking at Macworld, because I wanted to make a space for someone else. I'm on the committee, it's not like I need to get approval. But if I talk, someone else can't, and I'm tired of hearing myself talk. So this way, someone new gets a shot.

The biggest reason given is "without names, we don't get people". Bullshit. What names let you do is fuck off on the marketing. You just throw the names up there, and you're done. Well fuck that. Do some goddamned work. Get really smart locals and sell them. I mean fuck, if the shampoo industry was able to permanently double their revenues via the word "repeat", I think you can convince a sympathetic audience that they should come here really smart, albeit unfamous people talk.

If people do *not* actively raise their voices against the bullshit of Watson et al, then that's all people hear. That's not good.

It's not a crusade, this isn't "fighting the good fight" or anything silly like that. It's just making sure that a bunch of New Media Douchebag hucksters don't become the only voice for your group.
If you're going to ignore me, then actually do it. But that does require some work. So you probably won't do it right. Also, if the worst thing that happens in my day is you not talking to me anymore? Fuck yeah!
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Steersman » Thu Dec 20, 2012 5:13 pm  •  [Post 36290]

welch wrote:
Tigzy wrote:Hey Welch - seems your recent blog post has caught the beady eye of the Sick Wench of Doom: http://freethoughtblogs.com/almostdiamonds/2012/12/20/its-just-disagreement/

Svan, you wouldn't know a principled disagreement from a suppository.


http://dissentionisnothate.wordpress.co ... a-fee-fee/

stupid sow, i'm not playing by her rules.

Somewhat apropos, a big hello to Stephanie on her latest post where my comment is still – surprise, surprise – “awaiting moderation”:

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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby acathode » Thu Dec 20, 2012 5:14 pm  •  [Post 36291]

sacha wrote:
Rape culture holds men, and only men, responsible for what women do. And thanks, but I prefer to be responsible for my own fucking behaviour.
I recently looked up "Rape culture" on wikipedia, because I was seeing the term thrown around quite a bit and wanted to know the exact meaning (not just what I kinda assumed or guessed the term meant).
According to wiki:

Within feminism, rape culture is a concept used to describe a culture in which rape and sexual violence are common and in which prevalent attitudes, norms, practices, and media normalize, excuse, tolerate, or even condone rape.

Examples of behaviors commonly associated with rape culture include victim blaming, sexual objectification, and trivializing rape. Rape culture has been used to model behaviour within social groups, including prison systems where prison rape is common and conflict areas where war rape is used as psychological warfare. Entire countries have also been alleged to be rape cultures.

I have to say, reading that explanation, I'm puzzle why feminists would even use it. I can see why you could apply the term to US prisons, but on looking western society at large, rape against a women is probably one of the worst crimes you can commit. Few other criminals are so hated by the public as rapists, anyone that think rape is normalized in our society or condoned by media in our society can't ever have watched the or read the news?

If anything, one could make a more compelling case that there exist a rape culture against men, considering that it's not even illegal for a woman to rape a man in many western countries (extreme trivializing). Then there's the news and media actually use sexual violence against men as a comedy routine (condoning), and the victim blaming that goes on in large because men are assumed to always want sex, so that if someone rapes a man she's not committing a crime, she's doing him a favor*.

*There was a interesting case in Sweden two years ago where a 16yo girl had consensual sex with two 13yo boys, and faced charges for child rape (age of consent is 15). The court let her go, with the motivation that if anything, to quote the verdict, the boys had taken advantage of the girl to get an early sexual debut.
While I IMO think that the law is pretty fucked up and that the girl did nothing morally wrong, it's very obvious that the law is being applied very sexists, since a few 15/16 yo boys have been found guilty for having fully consensual sex with their 2-3 year younger girlfriends.

To Renee and your guy, I really hope that things turn out ok!
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby JackRayner » Thu Dec 20, 2012 5:27 pm  •  [Post 36292]

Steersman wrote:
welch wrote:
Tigzy wrote:Hey Welch - seems your recent blog post has caught the beady eye of the Sick Wench of Doom: http://freethoughtblogs.com/almostdiamonds/2012/12/20/its-just-disagreement/

Svan, you wouldn't know a principled disagreement from a suppository.


http://dissentionisnothate.wordpress.co ... a-fee-fee/

stupid sow, i'm not playing by her rules.

Somewhat apropos, a big hello to Stephanie on her latest post where my comment is still – surprise, surprise – “awaiting moderation”:

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Of course it's still in moderation! Don't you know that "witch hunt" is a misogynist term? And don't be giving me any lip about all of this "context" nonsense! :whistle:
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby CommanderTuvok » Thu Dec 20, 2012 5:29 pm  •  [Post 36293]

Opheliar Benson is attacking Michael Shermer again. It is a real train wreck! Also, take a look at PZ's comment!

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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby CommanderTuvok » Thu Dec 20, 2012 5:31 pm  •  [Post 36294]

Ophelia was very quick with the banhammer, but not quite quick enough...

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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby CommanderTuvok » Thu Dec 20, 2012 5:36 pm  •  [Post 36295]

So, to avoid admitting she's a clueless cunt who wants to hide her hypocrisy away behind a banhammer, we get this "brilliant" rationalisation...

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Again, Ophelia is quick with the banhammer, but not quite quick enough... (shame, eh!)

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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby JackRayner » Thu Dec 20, 2012 5:42 pm  •  [Post 36296]

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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Steersman » Thu Dec 20, 2012 5:47 pm  •  [Post 36297]

AnonymousCowherd wrote:
mordacious1 wrote:Sure, brag about a million hits...can't you for once think about the poor women?


Which ones have been hit a million times?

Reminds me of having read many years ago Xavier Hollander’s The Happy Hooker – highly recommended – in which she described having given a talk at which she invited some guy from the audience to come up on stage for a demonstration – speaking of embarassing conference attendees. And when one volunteered she asked him if he would like to kiss her to which he acceded with some enthusiasm and after which she said, “Congratulations; you’ve just kissed the lips that have sucked a thousand cocks”.

Methinks some seriously fucked up attitudes towards sex and to prostitution which , more generally in America than elsewhere, is due, no doubt, to the influence of fundamentalist Christianity as suggested by the previous cartoon on Jesus and Sex. And an attitude at whose doorstep one might lay no small amount of blame for the fact that prostitutes are murdered at a rate that is some seven times higher than the next largest profession, male taxicab drivers.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby cunt » Thu Dec 20, 2012 5:51 pm  •  [Post 36298]

Yeah right. It's not Ophelia's fault people find her talks boring as hell and don't listen. Its society thats to blame.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Tigzy » Thu Dec 20, 2012 5:53 pm  •  [Post 36299]

CommanderTuvok wrote:Opheliar Benson is attacking Michael Shermer again.


Prune, dear sour, oblivious Prune - why can you not see that you are providing a textbook example of what you would define as cyberstalking?
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby CommanderTuvok » Thu Dec 20, 2012 5:54 pm  •  [Post 36300]

Indeed. This is now Ophelia's new excuse for people thinking she talks a load of shit - that her voice is too high-pitched.

Strange thing is, there are plenty of women I can listen to, some of which have high-pitched voices. Then again, they have actual talent, unlike Opheliar, whose recent posts have been a complete and total embarassment.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby cunt » Thu Dec 20, 2012 6:02 pm  •  [Post 36301]

I love that she's going through everything that she can find by Shermer. Aha! Deep voices in politics, or something, whatever, got you now you misogynist toad!
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby cunt » Thu Dec 20, 2012 6:06 pm  •  [Post 36302]

How dare you accuse me of being a witch finder.

*combs through a decades worth of articles to find minor points that could possibly be mis-construed and tortured into being somehow anti-woman or ignorant*
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Steersman » Thu Dec 20, 2012 6:11 pm  •  [Post 36303]

JackRayner wrote:
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welch wrote:Tigzy said ".... Svan, you wouldn't know a principled disagreement from a suppository"
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stupid sow, i'm not playing by her rules.

Somewhat apropos, a big hello to Stephanie on her latest post where my comment is still – surprise, surprise – “awaiting moderation”:

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Of course it's still in moderation! Don't you know that "witch hunt" is a misogynist term? And don't be giving me any lip about all of this "context" nonsense! :whistle:

:-) Terribly amusing that, as I believe CommanderTuvok noted recently, Ophelia complained about that “witch-hunt” nonsense yet was happy to compare TAM with Nazi Germany. While I think she was entitled to use that analogy as I hardly thought, as Paula Kirby suggested, that Ophelia was claiming that TAM was about to engage in genocide, I also think that she was decidedly out to lunch in not recognizing “witch-hunt” as a metaphor – a little surprising in one who asserts some claim to being more than just a “journalist” ….

But I also find it tremendously amusing – and quite encouraging – that posts at not-only-free-from-thought-blogs-but-completely-clueless-about-the-concept [NOFFTBBCCABTC] are screen-captured and posted here. Little difficult to maintain any degree of credibility in claiming any allegiance to the concept in the face of that.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby JackRayner » Thu Dec 20, 2012 6:17 pm  •  [Post 36304]

Steersman wrote:[...] And when one volunteered she asked him if he would like to kiss her to which he acceded with some enthusiasm and after which she said, “Congratulations; you’ve just kissed the lips that have sucked a thousand cocks”.


What was the point of that, exactly?

Why are sex acts elevated to this special place where they're assimilated into your DNA and never ever come off? Why aren't we ever told, as if there's some point to be made by it, "Congratulations; you've just shaken a hand that has masturbated thousands of times", or given handjobs, or whatever else?

And if sucking cock or eating cunt are these acts that never ever come off of our lips, and the practice is common enough to conclude that we've all kissed lips that have done this, when does it become to many? Three cocks? FOUR? Fifty?! How about cunts? Is six the point at which one crosses the threshold for too many cunts eaten? Twenty-four? Seventy?!

Excuse my rant, but statements like that are so stupid. It's like that bullshit they taught us in sex-ed: "If you sleep with someone, you've slept with everyone that person has slept with!" No the fuck you haven't. So, so stupid....
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby bhoytony » Thu Dec 20, 2012 6:18 pm  •  [Post 36305]

Rystefn wrote:
soldierwhy wrote:It is not unusual in towns near Garrisons to witness signs in bars saying 'no soldiers'.


I never saw one. You sure that's not an urban legend?


Where I live there used to be an army camp nearby. Eventually the soldiers were told by their higher powers that the town was off-limits and they couldn't drink there. This was after loads and loads of trouble with the natives. The squaddies would come into this very small mining town, which at the time was only classed as a village, and get mortally drunk and aggressive, starting fights with the locals. Anybody who lives in a small town knows how that goes. Everybody knows everybody else and if some outsiders come in and start trouble with someone then they get trouble with everyone. I got tired of seeing the landrovers getting tipped over. It never ended well for the squaddies, you can't fight a whole town. So, they weren't banned by the bars, but the army itself banned them.
This broke the hearts of every fat ugly bird for miles around as they used to come here in droves when the army was in town, jesus those squaddies would fuck anything with a pulse. I was quite impressed.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby decius » Thu Dec 20, 2012 6:30 pm  •  [Post 36306]

Soldierwhy, I would like to see some evidence of such bans. Are you sure that they didn't originate from specific requests by the base commanders themselves?
I think a club or a bar may refuse entrance to individuals on a case-by-case basis, but groups cannot be singled out. Some clubs are very selective and doormen could conceivably reject everyone looking in a certain way, but just hanging a notice outside the door won't do, and I'm pretty confident that it's illegal.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby bhoytony » Thu Dec 20, 2012 6:35 pm  •  [Post 36307]

decius wrote:Soldierwhy, I would like to see some evidence of such bans. Are you sure that they didn't originate from specific requests by the base commanders themselves?
I think a club or a bar may refuse entrance to individuals on a case-by-case basis, but groups cannot be singled out. Some clubs are very selective and doormen could conceivably reject everyone looking in a certain way, but just hanging a notice outside the door won't do, and I'm pretty confident that it's illegal.


In the UK licensees can refuse to serve anyone they choose,
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby decius » Thu Dec 20, 2012 6:40 pm  •  [Post 36308]

Renee, you have my deepest sympathies as well.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Rystefn » Thu Dec 20, 2012 6:43 pm  •  [Post 36309]

bhoytony wrote:
Rystefn wrote:
soldierwhy wrote:It is not unusual in towns near Garrisons to witness signs in bars saying 'no soldiers'.


I never saw one. You sure that's not an urban legend?


Where I live there used to be an army camp nearby. Eventually the soldiers were told by their higher powers that the town was off-limits and they couldn't drink there. This was after loads and loads of trouble with the natives. The squaddies would come into this very small mining town, which at the time was only classed as a village, and get mortally drunk and aggressive, starting fights with the locals. Anybody who lives in a small town knows how that goes. Everybody knows everybody else and if some outsiders come in and start trouble with someone then they get trouble with everyone. I got tired of seeing the landrovers getting tipped over. It never ended well for the squaddies, you can't fight a whole town. So, they weren't banned by the bars, but the army itself banned them.
This broke the hearts of every fat ugly bird for miles around as they used to come here in droves when the army was in town, jesus those squaddies would fuck anything with a pulse. I was quite impressed.


That I have seen on many occasions. Not whole towns, but establishments and even neighborhoods. I suppose a small enough town would make sense in that context, though.

Also, yeah, most soldiers will bang anything with a hole, it seemed like. It's like every weekend they just got out of prison or something.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby bhoytony » Thu Dec 20, 2012 6:45 pm  •  [Post 36310]

Rystefn wrote:
That I have seen on many occasions. Not whole towns, but establishments and even neighborhoods. I suppose a small enough town would make sense in that context, though.

Also, yeah, most soldiers will bang anything with a hole, it seemed like. It's like every weekend they just got out of prison or something.



Well I didn't literally mean the whole town, but enough of them.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Steersman » Thu Dec 20, 2012 6:52 pm  •  [Post 36311]

JackRayner wrote:
Steersman wrote:[...] And when one volunteered she asked him if he would like to kiss her to which he acceded with some enthusiasm and after which she said, “Congratulations; you’ve just kissed the lips that have sucked a thousand cocks”.


What was the point of that, exactly?

Why are sex acts elevated to this special place where they're assimilated into your DNA and never ever come off? Why aren't we ever told, as if there's some point to be made by it, "Congratulations; you've just shaken a hand that has masturbated thousands of times", or given handjobs, or whatever else?

And if sucking cock or eating cunt are these acts that never ever come off of our lips, and the practice is common enough to conclude that we've all kissed lips that have done this, when does it become too many? Three cocks? FOUR? Fifty?! How about cunts? Is six the point at which one crosses the threshold for too many cunts eaten? Twenty-four? Seventy?!

Excuse my rant, but statements like that are so stupid. It's like that bullshit they taught us in sex-ed: "If you sleep with someone, you've slept with everyone that person has slept with!" No the fuck you haven't. So, so stupid....

Maybe I didn’t elaborate enough for you, but the context was, I thought, the implied condemnation of a woman who might have been “hit” a million times – which triggered the “thousand cocks” memory. Which gave me the lead-in to raise the question as to why prostitutes are generally so reviled – which Hollander was addressing, if somewhat obliquely, and which you underline with your comment about "bullshit sex-ed" – and why they are murdered so frequently and why, in the Benighted States of America, prostitution is illegal yet every yellow-pages book in the country has literally hundreds of advertisements for their services. Hypocrisy much? Somewhat apropos is Robert Service’s The Harpy, salient verses being these:

There is no hope for such as I on earth, nor yet in Heaven;
Unloved I live, unloved I die, unpitied, unforgiven;
A loathed jade, I ply my trade, unhallowed and unshriven.

For life is not the thing we thought, and not the thing we plan;
And Woman in a bitter world must do the best she can --
Must yield the stroke, must bear the yoke, must serve the will of man;

Must serve his need and ever feed the flame of his desire,
Though be she loved for love alone, or be she loved for hire;
For every man since time began is tainted with the mire.
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Was I not born to walk in scorn where others walk in pride?
The Maker marred, and, evil-starred, I drift upon His tide;
And He alone shall judge His own, so I His judgment bide.

Fate has written a tragedy; its name: "The Human Heart".
The Theatre is the House of Life, Woman the mummer's part;
The Devil enters the prompter's box and the play is ready to start.


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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby JackRayner » Thu Dec 20, 2012 6:53 pm  •  [Post 36312]

Rystefn wrote:
bhoytony wrote:
Where I live there used to be an army camp nearby. Eventually the soldiers were told by their higher powers that the town was off-limits and they couldn't drink there. This was after loads and loads of trouble with the natives. The squaddies would come into this very small mining town, which at the time was only classed as a village, and get mortally drunk and aggressive, starting fights with the locals. Anybody who lives in a small town knows how that goes. Everybody knows everybody else and if some outsiders come in and start trouble with someone then they get trouble with everyone. I got tired of seeing the landrovers getting tipped over. It never ended well for the squaddies, you can't fight a whole town. So, they weren't banned by the bars, but the army itself banned them.
This broke the hearts of every fat ugly bird for miles around as they used to come here in droves when the army was in town, jesus those squaddies would fuck anything with a pulse. I was quite impressed.


That I have seen on many occasions. Not whole towns, but establishments and even neighborhoods. I suppose a small enough town would make sense in that context, though.

Also, yeah, most soldiers will bang anything with a hole, it seemed like. It's like every weekend they just got out of prison or something.


The constant wearing of beer goggles doesn't help. :?

As far as being banned from places, we had many. Anything from whole hotels, strip clubs, tattoo parlors, and yes, even bars. Our command would give us all a list of places we weren't allowed as part of the first briefing we'd get upon arriving at any base where we were allowed off on weekends or holidays. Pretty sure these bans were agreements between the businesses and the command. Neither liked it when Marines got shitfaced and destroyed stuff....
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Gumby » Thu Dec 20, 2012 7:02 pm  •  [Post 36313]

Steersman wrote:But I also find it tremendously amusing – and quite encouraging – that posts at not-only-free-from-thought-blogs-but-completely-clueless-about-the-concept [NOFFTBBCCABTC] are screen-captured and posted here. Little difficult to maintain any degree of credibility in claiming any allegiance to the concept in the face of that.


And as we all know from the routinely high number of anonymous "guests" here...
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The posting here of memory-holed dissenting posts is a great thing. It shows the world just how duplicitous, cowardly and hypocritical these assclowns really are.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby decius » Thu Dec 20, 2012 7:07 pm  •  [Post 36314]

JackRayner wrote:
As far as being banned from places, we had many. Anything from whole hotels, strip clubs, tattoo parlors, and yes, even bars. Our command would give us all a list of places we weren't allowed as part of the first briefing we'd get upon arriving at any base where we were allowed off on weekends or holidays. Pretty sure these bans were agreements between the businesses and the command. Neither liked it when Marines got shitfaced and destroyed stuff....


Yeah, I can't see that happening without some egregious precedent or military reason.

Out of curiosity, are troops allowed to frequent local brothels? Prostitution is perfectly legal, in Germany.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby soldierwhy » Thu Dec 20, 2012 7:08 pm  •  [Post 36315]

decius wrote:Soldierwhy, I would like to see some evidence of such bans.


http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/4993831.Pub_turns_away_frontline_soldiers/?ref=mr

Are you sure that they didn't originate from specific requests by the base commanders themselves?


'Out of Bounds' establishments originate from the Chain of Command. In my experience these are the pubs that usually have no problem letting soldiers in and are placed out of bounds for various reasons (drugs, gangs etc). I have had absolutely no problem in the past drinking in 'out of bounds' pubs.

I think a club or a bar may refuse entrance to individuals on a case-by-case basis, but groups cannot be singled out. Some clubs are very selective and doormen could conceivably reject everyone looking in a certain way, but just hanging a notice outside the door won't do, and I'm pretty confident that it's illegal.


It's not, certainly not in the UK anyway and obviously not in Germany either.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Steersman » Thu Dec 20, 2012 7:09 pm  •  [Post 36316]

Gumby wrote:
Steersman wrote:But I also find it tremendously amusing – and quite encouraging – that posts at not-only-free-from-thought-blogs-but-completely-clueless-about-the-concept [NOFFTBBCCABTC] are screen-captured and posted here. Little difficult to maintain any degree of credibility in claiming any allegiance to the concept in the face of that.


And as we all know from the routinely high number of anonymous "guests" here...
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...there are plenty of people - many of them no doubt FtB fans who just can't help themselves - who come here to fill in all the missing pieces of the puzzle. And some of them will have the FtB brainwashing dislodged.

The posting here of memory-holed dissenting posts is a great thing. It shows the world just how duplicitous, cowardly and hypocritical these assclowns really are.

Exactly. Encouraging to see more than a few guests who have “de-lurked” and who have indicated that they had become disillusioned with the FfTB dogma ….
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby KiwiInOz » Thu Dec 20, 2012 7:12 pm  •  [Post 36317]

Steersman wrote:... Encouraging to see more than a few guests who have “de-lurked” and who have indicated that they had become disillusioned with the FfTB dogma ….


This is obviously because we are dogmatically undogmatic.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby soldierwhy » Thu Dec 20, 2012 7:13 pm  •  [Post 36318]

decius wrote:Out of curiosity, are troops allowed to frequent local brothels? Prostitution is perfectly legal, in Germany.


There was certainly no rule against it when I served in Germany. In my experience however very few squaddies partook of the services of the ladies of the night* and were more interested in the cheap beer and trying to get off with one of the locals.

*Mad weekend in Hamburg for someone's 21st being the exception to the rule.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby decius » Thu Dec 20, 2012 7:16 pm  •  [Post 36319]

Thanks for all the clarifications.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby sacha » Thu Dec 20, 2012 7:16 pm  •  [Post 36320]

franc wrote:
Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:I don't see "karma", or its western counterparts, as a useful concept, at all. There are so many exemples going contrary to your aphorisms that said aphorisms become meaningless.

And I think that's all I'll say about this subject. You never know, it might tarnish my "karma".


"Karma" is not necessarily a spooky concept, nor in any way bound to religious concepts of morality. It can also be quite useful psychologically in a non-Deepak Chopraish way. There are two examples -

In Australia and NZ (and probably Britain) there is the idea of "what goes around, comes around", which is a simplistic version of "enlightened self-interest". First, it encourages altruism, to be generous when possible and when it does not impact anything else - with the idea that if everyone does it, it will come back to you eventually - providing you remain humble and do not demand your "rights" or "entitlements". Second, when you are on the receiving end of generosity, simply accept it graciously, without any airs or any insistent refusal. Just say "cheers mate".

The other is when ills are visited on you of the kind that you may have in the past inflicted on others. It gives you something to contemplate - an understanding of why you were probably an asshole. This is called a "life lesson" - and you take something away with it, get up and move on. As opposed to baboons who learn nothing, just wallow in their misfortune and howl their grievances to the world in endless, shameless and protracted exhibitionism.


I agree with that, just don't call it "Karma"
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby bhoytony » Thu Dec 20, 2012 7:18 pm  •  [Post 36321]

JackRayner wrote:The constant wearing of beer goggles doesn't help. :?



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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Gumby » Thu Dec 20, 2012 7:21 pm  •  [Post 36322]

Yeesh, that beer goggles pic reminds me of a frat party I attended during Rush Week my freshman year... :oops:
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby TheMan » Thu Dec 20, 2012 7:25 pm  •  [Post 36323]

Thinking of you both Renee...
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby JackRayner » Thu Dec 20, 2012 7:29 pm  •  [Post 36324]

Steersman wrote:
JackRayner wrote:
Steersman wrote:[...] And when one volunteered she asked him if he would like to kiss her to which he acceded with some enthusiasm and after which she said, “Congratulations; you’ve just kissed the lips that have sucked a thousand cocks”.


What was the point of that, exactly?

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Excuse my rant, but statements like that are so stupid. It's like that bullshit they taught us in sex-ed: "If you sleep with someone, you've slept with everyone that person has slept with!" No the fuck you haven't. So, so stupid....

Maybe I didn’t elaborate enough for you, but the context was, I thought, the implied condemnation of a woman who might have been “hit” a million times – which triggered the “thousand cocks” memory. Which gave me the lead-in to raise the question as to why prostitutes are generally so reviled – which Hollander was addressing, if somewhat obliquely, and which you underline with your comment about "bullshit sex-ed" – and why they are murdered so frequently and why, in the Benighted States of America, prostitution is illegal yet every yellow-pages book in the country has literally hundreds of advertisements for their services. Hypocrisy much?

You might also be interested in this recent article in The New Statesman on the topic.


Yes, I kinda missed that. So, to your point then:

I don't know that prostitutes being murdered frequently* is a direct** result of their essential-by-way-of-trade-promiscuity in this hypocritically puritanical society. A serial killer here and there wouldn't add that many to the numbers, I would think. [Open to being corrected.] For others, you'd have to show me that their motivation for killing a prostitute was because of their promiscuity. I've mentioned that the first time that I saw cross dressing/trans-women prostitutes was when I first moved to the U.S. in the mid 90's. It wasn't a nice part of town that we lived in, so they weren't the only prostitutes around. The only people I ever saw chasing them down were their respective pimps. With my small, anecdotal sample in mind, I'll say that my assumption [totally up for being refuted and corrected] is that the majority of prostitute murders are "business related". With that in mind...

*How frequently are they murdered, exactly? You say seven times more than the next largest profession, taxi cab drivers, but I don't know those numbers. And also...are they murdered more frequently than your common drug dealer or professional criminal? Which dovetails nicely into the next question-as-footnote...

**If your point is that, indirectly, they are murdered more often because of the puritanical values that keep their trade illegal, which makes them reluctant to seek law enforcement intervention, then I could swallow without too much reflexive gagging. [Ah, ahhh. See what I did there? :D]
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby sacha » Thu Dec 20, 2012 7:33 pm  •  [Post 36325]

franc wrote:
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franc wrote:Sounds like applying the concept of karma for practical common benefit to me.

It's kinda fundamentalist to simply ditch a word because of its preconceived associations rather than ruminate on the ideas behind the word. Sure, it has it's roots in eastern mysticism - but that does not automatically mean it's gibberish glasshoppa.

No, it's applying true concepts for practical benefit, rather than taking a woo concept and all its baggage and trying to 1) apply it as a white lie to benefit society 2) Strip away the baggage.

enlightened self interest = good, true, useful
Karma = woo and not useful in and of itself.


You have a problem with the word "concept" don't you?


no, honey, we (sorry SPAKlick) I have a problem with using a word that means something even more insidious than Jesus is watching you, or Santa Claus will give you coal instead of toys if you are bad.
The word "karma" clearly means something entirely different than what you are describing, it's not a "western version" or "the concept of Karma" that you are referring to, and it gives credibility to the woo meaning by referring to enlightened self interest as essentially the same concept.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby ReneeHendricks » Thu Dec 20, 2012 7:34 pm  •  [Post 36326]

Thanks to all for the well-wishes, thoughts and advise. They've all helped quite a bit today.

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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby skepCHUD » Thu Dec 20, 2012 7:40 pm  •  [Post 36327]

Witch of the Week is Welch!!!
Not only is he being cyberstalked by Ms. Svan but pedoloon has chimed in and called him "welchy"!
One can only hope he can withstand the intellectual artillery aimed at him!
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby JackRayner » Thu Dec 20, 2012 7:41 pm  •  [Post 36328]

decius wrote:
JackRayner wrote:
As far as being banned from places, we had many. Anything from whole hotels, strip clubs, tattoo parlors, and yes, even bars. Our command would give us all a list of places we weren't allowed as part of the first briefing we'd get upon arriving at any base where we were allowed off on weekends or holidays. Pretty sure these bans were agreements between the businesses and the command. Neither liked it when Marines got shitfaced and destroyed stuff....


Yeah, I can't see that happening without some egregious precedent or military reason.

Out of curiosity, are troops allowed to frequent local brothels? Prostitution is perfectly legal, in Germany.


It being illegal here in the states didn't stop many of the guys I knew! :whistle: While training a little in North Carolina before heading out to Iraq, 4 of the guys shared a call girl! [Well...three of them, technically. The guy that paid for it just watched. One of our favorite stories to spread from that deployment!] :lol:

There was also this...um, "massage parlor" in Missouri that we weren't allowed to go to, but guys went there anyways.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby sacha » Thu Dec 20, 2012 7:42 pm  •  [Post 36329]

Reap wrote:
sacha wrote:
Reap wrote:Karma is defined as a result from a reaction, that's it. Karma is not punishment or retribution but simply an extended expression or consequence of natural acts. There is no such thing as good/bad karma because there is no such thing as good/bad as far as the universe is concerned. People involved in the paranormal used to drive me crazy with the "karma comes back to you tenfold".... bullshit.


Karma is the law of moral causation.

http://www.buddhanet.net/e-learning/karma.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karma
http://www.skepdic.com/karma.html

Yes I concur that is the Buddhist definition.

Karma (Sanskrit: कर्म[1] IPA: [ˈkarmə] ( listen); Pali: kamma) in Indian religions is the concept of "action" or "deed", understood as that which causes the entire cycle of cause and effect (i.e., the cycle called saṃsāra) originating in ancient India and treated in the Hindu, Jain, Buddhist, and Sikh religions.


It is the only definition.
The modern view of karma, devoid of any spiritual exigencies, obviates the need for an acceptance of reincarnation in Judeochristian societies and attempts to portray karma as a universal psychological phenomenon which behaves predictably, like other physical forces such as gravity.


it is about cause and effect of morality, as if it is a law of the universe.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Gumby » Thu Dec 20, 2012 7:47 pm  •  [Post 36330]

skepCHUD wrote:Witch of the Week is Welch!!!
Not only is he being cyberstalked by Ms. Svan but pedoloon has chimed in and called him "welchy"!
One can only hope he can withstand the intellectual artillery aimed at him!


WOTW always seems to be the person that is currently making them uncomfortably squirm the most. I'm glad Welch is it this week, and I'm doubly glad Zvan assisted us so ably by advertising his great blog post on her own blog. The more people who see it the better!
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Steersman » Thu Dec 20, 2012 8:00 pm  •  [Post 36331]

KiwiInOz wrote:
Steersman wrote:... Encouraging to see more than a few guests who have “de-lurked” and who have indicated that they had become disillusioned with the FfTB dogma ….


This is obviously because we are dogmatically undogmatic.

Quite right.

Although I’ve periodically wondered about that type of stance – being apparently somewhat hypocritical for one thing, hypocrisy of course being something that is anathematized in this neck of the woods.

But, for instance, it seems to be some “Slyme Pit dogma”, an article of faith, that, as Phil is fond of quoting Hitchens on, “What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof.” But while that certainly seems like it generally holds quite a bit of water, it also seems that one can quite reasonably argue that we all accept many things without proof that no level of proof is apparently sufficient to dismiss – free will and that “mind” is something more than just “brain”, for examples.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby BarnOwl » Thu Dec 20, 2012 8:02 pm  •  [Post 36332]

ReneeHendricks wrote:Ok, will do. We should be finding out more soon. We're waiting on a call back today (at least to schedule him in for a more intensive look). Thanks!


Another cancer researcher here, in complete agreement with what Dick Strawkins wrote. Feel free to PM me any time with questions or just if you need someone to listen or commiserate.

My thoughts are with you and your guy, and remember that it's OK for both of you to ask the physicians lots of questions about diagnosis and treatments. Everyone in the family deserves support too ... not just the patient.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby BarnOwl » Thu Dec 20, 2012 8:07 pm  •  [Post 36333]

Quite relieved that the Mayan Apocalypse failed, according to Australia and New Zealand. I just joined a running club two weeks ago, and I'd hate to think that all those brutal workouts went to waste.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby sacha » Thu Dec 20, 2012 8:14 pm  •  [Post 36334]

John Brown wrote:A small point of disagreement, if I may.

I addressed this in one of my videos sometime back. When I was in the Army, there was always one implicit, though unbreakable rule.

Never leave a person behind.

The circumstances didn't matter. Whether it be the battlefield or going out on Friday night getting sloshed, you looked out for your friends and never left them behind.

If at some point they meet up with someone and want to split away from the group, a couple things come into play. The group assesses if you're too far gone to make that decision by yourself. If you are, then you aren't leaving. I don't care if a fist fight erupts because of it. You're not leaving.

If you are able to make that decision by yourself, then somebody from the group makes sure that all relevant information is obtained. Where does this person live? What is his/her phone number? When do you plan on being back? How will you get back? etc, etc...

Leaving a person behind to fend for themselves was a taboo one simply did not break. If you did, be prepared to be a pariah.

Now, I understand that casual social groups aren't like the bonds you have in the military, but if more people looked at it that way, then there would be much less of this going on.

Regardless of gender, you shouldn't be out by yourself, drinking yourself silly in unfamiliar places. And, you also shouldn't be doing said activities with "friends" you can't trust.

Never leave a person behind.


John Brown wrote:you shouldn't be out by yourself, drinking yourself silly in unfamiliar places.


first, going out drinking with friends, and letting one of those friends make an adult decision to hook up with with someone, is not like leaving someone behind in the military sense.

second, I take responsibility for my actions, I don't need or want a babysitter, because I don't get drunk, especially in a public place.
I don't have a problem with a situation where you are meeting someone alone for the first time, and give a friend the name of the person you are meeting, the address, and any other pertinent information, and tell them that if you don't call by a certain time, something is wrong.
but for fuck's sake stay sober, or stay in public.

third, I used to tend bar, for many years, in all different types of places. I've seen it all. I've also had to babysit numerous times.
It is a bloody nightmare, arguing with someone when they are drunk, or on drugs about what is in their best interest, or dealing with them being emotional, or trying to stop them from instigating a fight with someone, or trying to calm them down and talk them out of their paranoia or jealousy, or standing outside the door to the toilet making sure they don't pass out, or choke on their own vomit.

The only people who have an excuse for getting so drunk, they are ready to do things they would never do sober, are college age or younger, and in that case you better watch your friend's back, because it will probably be you who needs a nanny the next evening.

If you are an adult, and want to behave like a college kid in a bar, Hire a fucking chaperone.

Why should an adult have to deal with a petulant, spoiled child when they are there to enjoy themselves? It is incredibly narcissistic, self-absorbed, and childish to drink until you cannot be trusted to be in control of your decisions, because your friends will have your back.

and it's always the same people who need babysitting,
and they never learn, and they don't give a fuck because someone always rescues them.

I choose my friends wisely. We don't need mothering, and we don't need to be rescued from self-inflicted neurosis.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby decius » Thu Dec 20, 2012 8:16 pm  •  [Post 36335]

BarnOwl wrote:Quite relieved that the Mayan Apocalypse failed, according to Australia and New Zealand. I just joined a running club two weeks ago, and I'd hate to think that all those brutal workouts went to waste.


Just wait for the deluge of post-hocs and inevitable rescheduling to future dates. No pseudo-scientist and purveyor of nonsense will take the opportunity to learn from mistake. Here's a prediction you can count on.
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