Enjoy -justinvacula wrote:Got blocked and told to 'fuck off' by Rhys following one tweet...apparently the moral implications of filing DMCAs don't matter if the recipient is "vile and morally bankrupt."
Sorry about that chief, but I think you’re misreading me. For one thing I’ve said, probably, a dozen times, that I’ve been banned at both Pharyngula and Butterflies & Wheels for using “bad werdz†and have consistently said that the actions of many of them over in that camp are, or appear to be, egregiously hypocritical, if not criminal – for starters.John Greg wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2012 9:16 pm
Steersman wrote:But I really can’t see there is any credibility in arguing that he is a "fatuous, self-centered, woefully ignorant retard, who only sees in pure black and whiteâ€.
... unless you are in fact some kind of disputatious-just-because kind of person, as you sometimes seem. Your ongoing oblique defence of FfTB and Skepchick hypocrisy and dishonesty is becoming very tiresome ...
That’s true: I haven’t had the same amount of experience and exposure that some here have had, and certainly much less than all of you. But many of you seem to be of the view that simply opening a page here is sufficient to cause the entire corpus to be downloaded instantaneously into the brain of anyone doing so... especially in light of the fact that you consistently misrepresent them in a false positive light because you have not had anywhere near enough time here, or there, to be as familiar with their history and their tactics as we are.
Wait what? Has that gone mainstream now? Only women I ever knew with bleached assholes were porn stars and strippers.ERV wrote:Im glad some of you like her work, but I just think shes a bleached asshole.
Justin, you are being a bit naive here. Sure.. she could have talked to you directly about it, if she were to think like a responsible autonomous person. But she isnt like that. Why do you think feminism 'made the personal political' back in the 60s-70s? They took lots of things which you and I would handle on a personal basis.. and got someone else (the State) to act as an intermediary. The fact that YOU think its censorship (and therefore injustice).. she doesnt give a damn. Plenty of women are like that.. and its cross cultural. They dont deal with conflict directly.. they have indirect ways of dealing with it.justinvacula wrote: So what if the automated system told me the post could be restored? The filing of a DMCA in the first place TOOK THE POST DOWN and results in censorship. It's complete nonsense. 'Surly Amy,' if she filed it, could have -- outside of DMCA or automated system -- sent me a message asking to take the image down (as she apparently did with Thunderf00t).
That's so yesterday. This is now.AndrewV69 wrote:Wait what? Has that gone mainstream now? Only women I ever knew with bleached assholes were porn stars and strippers.ERV wrote:Im glad some of you like her work, but I just think shes a bleached asshole.
Extracted it: 5:09 PM somewhere US time - 12 Aug, which corresponds to +/- several hours of 01:09AM - 13 Aug London TimeSteersman wrote:And I note that you never did provide me a timestamp for the Twitter post in the Pharwrongula page when I asked for it sometime back ... maybe I missed it?
LOOK UP SHIT YOURSELF BEFORE DEMANDING ANSWERS. You do sound like a Jesuit - endless innocent questions with one actual intent: to misdirect and confuse. Either participate here as a member AND contributor, or FUCK OFF. You just waste people's time with your sophist charlatanism.franc wrote:You are JUST as capable as me of researching stuff. You however prefer to sit on your ass, nitpick shortcomings and expect everyone to come crawling with silver platters. ALL of the folks here do their bit to research stuff. If YOU are not prepared to share the load, you have NO right to post continuous demands. Clear?
Oh I don't know. Apparently he's (she's?) taking part in the "Fuck the Patriarchy" readathon for Rape Crisis.Michael K Gray wrote:Rhys Morgan.
Hero to Zero, courtesy of Rebecca Watson and her poisonous circus.
They'll always be wankers to me.justinvacula wrote:http://freethoughtblogs.com/lousycanuck ... ment-76879
http://i.imgur.com/rD0hi.jpg
"Hand-fuckers." That's a new one.
Well, yes, sure. We aren't friggin' perfect. Bit seems to me from reading your comments, that you seem to find far, far more flies than ointment.And from the actions and statements of some here, I would say there are some reasonable questions about the credibility of the claims made, that there might be a fly or two in the ointment ....
I apologise to Rhys.rayshul wrote:Oh I don't know. Apparently he's (she's?) taking part in the "Fuck the Patriarchy" readathon for Rape Crisis.Michael K Gray wrote:Rhys Morgan.
Hero to Zero, courtesy of Rebecca Watson and her poisonous circus.
I am struggling to believe that is a thing.
Thats .. [speechless]franc wrote:That's so yesterday. This is now.AndrewV69 wrote:Wait what? Has that gone mainstream now? Only women I ever knew with bleached assholes were porn stars and strippers.ERV wrote:Im glad some of you like her work, but I just think shes a bleached asshole.
Beula! And while you’re up, a beer and a sandwich ....
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Sorry if it seems that way, particularly as I think I’ve generally bent over backwards to tout the benefits and large amount of the ointment – particularly in comparison with brand FTB. Just maybe that criticisms of suggestions here by some that “you†– a nebulous term – are in fact perfect tend to loom larger in the field of view for being relatively infrequent and credibly argued: nothing stands out larger than a sore thumb ....John Greg wrote:Steersman, at http://www.slymepit.com/phpbb/viewtopic ... 6800#p8194 , said:
Well, yes, sure. We aren't friggin' perfect. Bit seems to me from reading your comments, that you seem to find far, far more flies than ointment.And from the actions and statements of some here, I would say there are some reasonable questions about the credibility of the claims made, that there might be a fly or two in the ointment ....
Steersman: whatever verifiable and documentable piece of evidence we have ends up on Phawrongula. Anything else is musings, debate, and humour. Easy as pie!John Greg wrote:Steersman, at http://www.slymepit.com/phpbb/viewtopic ... 6800#p8194 , said:
Well, yes, sure. We aren't friggin' perfect. Bit seems to me from reading your comments, that you seem to find far, far more flies than ointment.And from the actions and statements of some here, I would say there are some reasonable questions about the credibility of the claims made, that there might be a fly or two in the ointment ....
Seeing as detox/rehab was a recent topic - it reminds me of the crap they used to make in forced craft sessions that were part of the "healing" regime.rayshul wrote:An incredible amount of Amy's art reminds me of stuff that comes out my baby's arse, but I kinda want a DMCA one.
Thanks. I’ll certainly agree then that it is quite plausible that that tweet, the one now in Phawrongula, was posted a short time after Sally’s posts in TF’s blog – certainly at least 30% and possibly larger, although, as you suggest, still not a certainty.franc wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2012 11:07 pm
Extracted it: 5:09 PM somewhere US time - 12 Aug, which corresponds to +/- several hours of 01:09AM - 13 Aug London TimeSteersman wrote:And I note that you never did provide me a timestamp for the Twitter post in the Pharwrongula page when I asked for it sometime back ... maybe I missed it?
TF thread items 12:06AM / 12:07AM - 13 Aug London Time
Lotsa variables as to how the hour is calculated, but no greater than 2 hours each way. I think the important one is the minute, which is quite likely 2 minutes after the post.
You might want to take a look at my other posts; I think you’ll find that I have researched my arguments and provided links and quotes where appropriate – in particular, you might want to take a look at my exchanges with Sacha. In addition, of course I have EVERY right to post continuous demands – whether anybody responds to me or I subsequently get banned are entirely separate questions. Clear?franc wrote:You are JUST as capable as me of researching stuff. You however prefer to sit on your ass, nitpick shortcomings and expect everyone to come crawling with silver platters. ALL of the folks here do their bit to research stuff. If YOU are not prepared to share the load, you have NO right to post continuous demands. Clear?
Ah, so, it’s now a question of intent. And you are able to divine that, how? From where I’m sitting I see it as a case of you presenting an argument on Sally’s supposed culpability with very questionable factual material to justify it and on which I asked to see the evidence. Considering the rather lengthy discussions over Monopod Man’s putative guilt I figure we should extend the same courtesy before crucifying her on a similar question.LOOK UP SHIT YOURSELF BEFORE DEMANDING ANSWERS. You do sound like a Jesuit - endless innocent questions with one actual intent: to misdirect and confuse. ...
As indicated, I figure I have already contributed at least some “research stuffâ€. Although, in passing, I wonder whether you are going to accompany that imperative with some suggestions about porcupines. But one might also reasonably argue that bogus claims, including those of “sophist charlatanismâ€, accompanied by questionable evidence and an unwillingness to provide same are a bigger time waster than questions about either.Either participate here as a member AND contributor, or FUCK OFF. You just waste people's time with your sophist charlatanism.
Don't think Jean Kazez is a neutral party in all this. She has an agenda of her own that is independent of either the FTB crowd or the anti-FTB gnu atheists. She is essentially an accomodationist and as such has a tendency to latch onto whatever argument seems to be most effective in denigrating the overall gnu movement.CommanderTuvok wrote:On Twitter, Jean Kazez criticises Justin:
Strange seeing Jean get so upset over this trivial affair, when there have been far more serious "bullying" episodes in the A/S community in the last year or so.Jean Kazez â€@JeanKazez
@justinvacula Could you get my name out of your latest post? I really dislike your campaign against @surlyamy. Going after her art
Nothing wrong with that.She even labelled Ophelia a moral degenerate
Since she is the only person who could issue a DMCA complaint and has not denied it (and supporters of hers like Lousy Canuck haven't denied it either) it seems a reasonable deduction to suggest that she is behind it.StueNever wrote:So it was unequivalently Surly Amy who did the DMCA? Or are people jumping to conclusions?
Well Jean is entitled to her opinion but Ophelia's actions at the time were nothing like the Ophelia we see today (apart from the obsessive freaking out about being called names by trolls) and Jeans action in supporting the Tom Johnson story, even when it's author was shown to be a liar, were not exactly the example of moral perfection.Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:[bias]
Nothing wrong with that.She even labelled Ophelia a moral degenerate
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As for the rest: O_o
It was a jab at Ophelia, who I respected up to last year when she degenerated morally. Do not read too much in what I write here, as I often write it in jest (but sometimes, I become serious. Maybe there's a smiley that can both convey this and piss off Franc, MKG and Sacha silmutanously. I'll have to work on that...)Dick Strawkins wrote:Well Jean is entitled to her opinion but Ophelia's actions at the time were nothing like the Ophelia we see today (apart from the obsessive freaking out about being called names by trolls) and Jeans action in supporting the Tom Johnson story, even when it's author was shown to be a liar, were not exactly the example of moral perfection.Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:[bias]
Nothing wrong with that.She even labelled Ophelia a moral degenerate
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As for the rest: O_o
Absolutelyfuckingexactly.cunt wrote: When did everyone become such giant fucking pussies?
I respectfully disagree with your impression.Dilurk wrote:
Steersman is a quick learner. I think he'll be salvageable. I'm hoping anyway.
Steersman. Don't you fucking let me down you cunt.
Za-zen wrote:I get what you're saying about fencesitters Munk.
My problem is i don't give a shit what they think, i'm not on a crusade to save the atheist movement from the fuckwits, i'm not actually interested in trying to convince the sheeple that they are being duped and fed false gods and dogma (i'm refering to the pz cult not xtianity here). Hypocracy, lies, deceit, and stupiditiy do genuinely piss me off, but i'm laughing at it, i find the a/s movement absolutely absurd in its idiocy, and how it is infested with fuckwits who have absolutely no sense of reality whatsoever, nevermind the overly dominant american centric crap. if someone gets awakened from their blind stupor because of the lulz then great. But it isnt my job to save them.
I'm a horrible horrible person, and the movement doesn't need me :D
I felt precisely the same way when sitting in the audience listening to Gollum's "Don't Be a Dick" speech. There are plenty who live by that mantra, so if one needs a polite and kind person to put their arm around their shoulder while they consider the idea that, just maybe, the baboons really are like dogmatic cult members, there are plenty of real sceptics who are waiting with outstretched arms. I do not need to be one of them.Ah! But what if that is not the primary goal, nor even a major goal, of the journalist?
Some may care more for robustly disseminating unvarnished reality, and to hell with those who feel alienated by that stance, or the fainting couch brigade.
(Ala Hitchens, or Penn Gillette)
Hmmm. Well okay, given that she's already made her address (presuming, of course, this is her address) public, I guess it isn't doc dropping in a purely technical sense.justinvacula wrote:...The address of 'Surly Amy' is public information. It seems she has trademarked "Art You Can Wear" (really??!?) and "Surly-Ramics."
...
Pool's closed!
...and no, this isn't a threat or doc-dropping.
I, for one, would not be 'up in arms' nor 'down in legs'.Tigzy wrote:justinvacula wrote: I'd say it was a pretty questionable thing to do, considering that a good number of us here would probably be up in arms if a baboon posted the address of a Slymepitter on FfTB or Skepchick.
Well, I'd argue it's public but making it available so easily on an open forum might be bad form. Lousy Jason did the same thing, basically, and we kind of nailed him for it.Michael K Gray wrote:I, for one, would not be 'up in arms' nor 'down in legs'.Tigzy wrote:justinvacula wrote: I'd say it was a pretty questionable thing to do, considering that a good number of us here would probably be up in arms if a baboon posted the address of a Slymepitter on FfTB or Skepchick.
If it is public, it is FUCKING PUBLIC!!!
An 8 year old could find this info on their mobile during a gymnastic vaulting-session without breaking a sweat!
(Only taking a break to distribute ze dirt around ze compound, ja?)
Oh, puulleze, as they say.
Just because one can, it does not automatically follow that one should.Michael K Gray wrote:I, for one, would not be 'up in arms' nor 'down in legs'.Tigzy wrote:justinvacula wrote: I'd say it was a pretty questionable thing to do, considering that a good number of us here would probably be up in arms if a baboon posted the address of a Slymepitter on FfTB or Skepchick.
If it is public, it is FUCKING PUBLIC!!!
An 8 year old could find this info on their mobile during a gymnastic vaulting-session without breaking a sweat!
(Only taking a break to distribute ze dirt around ze compound, ja?)
Oh, puulleze, as they say.
I hope that you do not include me in your 'we', oui?Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:and we kind of nailed him for it.
I'm glad to hear that opinion, as it is true.Tigzy wrote:I didn't think you were that big a fan of hypocrisy, MKG.
General "we" MKG, sorry about that.Michael K Gray wrote:I hope that you do not include me in your 'we', oui?Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:and we kind of nailed him for it.
Being evasive is not confirmation she did it, though as has been pointed out she is the only one with the legal right to do so. If it was a misguided supporter of Amy I'd have thought this would have come out by now. A simple email from Amy to Justin asking that the image be taken down would have been nice first.rayshul wrote:I think Amy was given ample opportunity to say she didn't do this - and unless she's trying to protect someone, I can't see why she wouldn't just say no I didn't. There's no logical reason why not.
I am not going to go into baboon pile on mode here. It is sufficient that Justin is aware some of us were uncomfortable with it, it is as always his decision. That's one of the things I prize about the slime pit, I have not seen pile on behaviour. If personally I was majorly concerned I would send him a PM.Agree with Tigzy on the address stuff. Am uncomfortable with people reporting Sally and posting Amy's details here though - this sort of stuff is like, the shit they do. I dunno, yeah the
Wowinformation was public but it's like... my personal information and address shit is available online, and that's fine 'cos I am fairly open, but I'd be right fucked off if they put it in a thread that was talking about how shit I was.
On another side note but a related psychosis, I'm enjoying reading people WTFing over social justice warriors on tumblr.
I hate that term 'trans women' and 'cis women' it leads directly to what I said about privilege There are blind women but we never say 'blind women' there are women who need a wheelchair but we never say 'wheelchair women'.Someone just tried to "collect" me.
For talking about misogyny from trans women against cis women and trans men. I don’t know this person and they know nothing about me. They told me that I wasn’t allowed to talk about anything involving trans people, even when it concerns feminism and misogyny against women like me.
I have been on the internet for almost twenty years and, I swear, the culture of self-indulgent entitlement on the this site is most bizarre I’ve ever encountered. Is it a generational thing? That the majority age group on this site has never known a world without reality TV and the Internet and the validation of mass attention? Is it simply the microcosm of Tumblr? Or the fevered cult of social justice and its fetish for relativism? Because I’m constantly astounded.
Your concern is solely for 'political', or 'tactical' reasons, if I am not misunderstanding.Dick Strawkins wrote:i don't think it was a good idea to post those details either.
They are publicly available and anyone can find them but Justin is dealing with a group that loves nothing better than seeking excuses for vilifying its opponents. It makes no difference that they did the same thing with Thunderf00t who has very real threats against him over his Draw Mohammad Day promotion. It doesn't matter that Lousy Canuck revealed all those details a few months back.
What matters is that Justing might provide them with an opportunity to frame the story in which Surly is a victim rather than the reality of her abusing the DMCA system to censor critics.
