Tuvok: It is strange seeing Justicar act like a Baboon. Give him time - he might recover.
not a chance. This is not the first time. He really went above and beyond my point in comments at ERV. I'll find them and link them. please give me a few moments.
I also got in the last word, and it was quite a last word. I've been waiting to see what he was going to do about that, and now I have my answer.
Justicar has always, and will always put himself and his agenda first. He did that at the end with Abbie, who deserves it less than any of us.
Horace: Sorry could you give a quick reference to what happened with Justicar ?
yes, I would be happy to, it is quite a bit of information, so I shall continue in the next comment I make, after I link what I wrote. I'd also link Justicar's responses, but as we all know he had 20 compared to my three, so you will have to read from my first post until my last, towards the end of the final page.
Maskari: Yeah, I don't think we should be so quick to shun Justicar. He may be going through issues on his end...
Unlike Laden, I do not tell anyone to shun, or even agree with me, unless they came to that conclusion on their own. Nor will I think differently about anyone who defends him.
I will say this. Justi is not going to join the baboons. His comment was not a gift, nor was it in good faith. It was a quite deliberate comment there.
Firstly Justi needs to feel as though he is always in control. He acted as if he was the official spokesperson for the ERV slimepit, and led many to believe that Abbie appointed him.
He exaggerated his relationship with her, in order to make it appear that he and Abbie were in constant contact and discussed at length whatever he wanted to implement, or be the last word on.
(This is why I went directly to Abbie to ask for her perspective and thoughts.)
At the end, he flat out lied about what Abbie wanted. Spoke for her, as if he was reading a press release that she wrote herself.
The only thing that matters to Justicar is his agenda. If he can use Abbie to secure what he himself wants, then he will (and did). Abbie is far too kind to demand that he come clean, and she was in a difficult place, she was truly struggling with the decisions, and was not secure with her decision to step away, and telling people how to behave is against what she believes in. Abbie, please correct me if I am wrong, I do not feel comfortable speaking for you, but I do want to give some background about this
That is the last time I will speak for Abbie unless she specifically asks me to relay a message, and then it will be word for word.
The last few days at ERV, Justicar chose to engage in heated discussions with both Scented Nectar and John Greg. Nectar was voicing her opinion on a "kinder, gentler" slime pit, one which would allow those who agree with us on things like FfTB, but were not willing to be seen participating at the original. ( As an aside, I agreed with her competely). Nectar was not confrontational, or attacking anyone, she was simply responding to the conversation about toning it down at the new place. It is all still there, you can read her comments for yourself.
Justicar's response to her was not only completely uncalled for, his commentary was written as if he were speaking for Abbie. Do not take my word for it, read it for yourself. That was bad enough, but he continued to allow Nectar to spend the time and energy arguing with him and defending her position when he did not even know what Abbie thought about it! He used Abbie's "wishes" as an excuse to ridicule and silence Nectar, leading everyone to believe he had spoken to Abbie about tone, language, and memes at the new place. He did not.
The reason I know, is that Abbie posted a brief comment about her opinions on that topic, and they were the antithesis of what Justicar was spewing in her name. Enough people took his word for what Abbie wants, they were quoting him and attributing it to Abbie, or speaking for Abbie themselves.
He played a similiar game with John Greg. Showing him ridicule and contempt for wanting to make sure that he understood, so that he could do the right thing and protect Abbie. Justicar again wasted someone's time and energy by baiting them into an argument about why he was an idiot for not understanding his vague orders and again acting as if he were getting his information from Abbie, and also that he cared more about her than everyone else, and that he is the only one doing what is best for Abbie... Well, again, a complete fabrication. I don't even have to tell you what Abbie told me, she posted a comment about how she knew that even if one reads the Nat Geo terms of conduct, it was still extremely confusing what behaviour was going to be tolerated. She admitted she knew no better than us.
My first email to Abbie bearly mentioned Justicar and the others who were speaking for her. I simply wanted to hear how she felt, from her.
She explained her position in detail, and all I can say is that it did not bear any similiarities to what Justi was saying.
I don't think Justicar ever expected anyone to contact Abbie. I think he was quite secure that everyone believed him, so my first comment came as a surprise to him. If you notice, I was not attacking him in the first comment, I simply pointed out that he was not the best person to relay Abbie's thoughts, especially when her security is on the line.
Justicar jeopardised Abbie's well being to suit his agenda. Consider that for a moment while I find the links to my comments...
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