Steerzing in a New Direction...

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Praziquantel: for worms
Praziquantel: for worms
Ivermectin: for worms
Loa loa: are worms

Servile Dog is winding you all up. He even posted the link to the CDC site. It's nothing to do with Covid.

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Edit: add
Albendazole: for worms

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Brive1987 wrote: It seems the obvious factor is heat exhaustion. I can imagine the baby being at especial risk and the dog tied up. They must have had fuck all water for both adults to die in the day. A reasonable scenario is they used their water on the way out, the baby got sick, they stopped and either drank rubbish or just flaked in the heat.
Either that or the EMP blast.

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zou3gou3 wrote: Servile Dog is winding you all up. He even posted the link to the CDC site. It's nothing to do with Covid.
I'm pretty sure it is a comment on the general safety of ivermectin. If it is a super dangerous drug, why is it being given routinely to people where the only reason we have to suspect they are infested with the relevant parasites is the area of the world where they live (which includes more than half the land area of the earth) and the fact that they are refugees?

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Who's saying it's inherently super dangerous? It's the dose, not the drug, that makes the danger.

Doggo is just a troll, though, like Zou3Gou3 says.

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Lsuoma wrote:
Sat Sep 04, 2021 7:35 am
Who's saying it's inherently super dangerous? It's the dose, not the drug, that makes the danger.

Doggo is just a troll, though, like Zou3Gou3 says.
Like almost any drug. I'll go with Tess Lawrie who advises the WHO on the evidence base for drugs. She says she has never seen a medication with so much evidence behind it be so strongly resisted. The response to Ivermectin has been entirely negative with disingenuous criticisms of the trials done. It's as if there's a wish for it not to work with various motivations.

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Lsuoma wrote: Who's saying it's inherently super dangerous? It's the dose, not the drug, that makes the danger.
What dosage is dangerous?

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For a human? Probably a full syringe of Durvet or Eqvalan is, and they'll get yellow crap all over their face.

150ug/kg is the usual dose for humans for river blindness, AIUI.

The amount where it goes from being fine to ruh-roh? Not sure, but somewhere in between, I'll hazard a guess.

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It would be marvelous if ivermectin could cure covid, but the largest study (Elgazzar et al) showing ivermectin to be effective in curing CV19 has been withdrawn because of dodgy data.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02081-w
An Argentinian study pro ivermectin is under a cloud for the same reason.
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/st ... spect-data
If anything, budesonide looks to be a better bet to aid recovery.
Of course, one could go and get the fucking vaccine, but that would be too easy.

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zou3gou3 wrote: It would be marvelous if ivermectin could cure covid, but the largest study (Elgazzar et al) showing ivermectin to be effective in curing CV19 has been withdrawn because of dodgy data.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02081-w
An Argentinian study pro ivermectin is under a cloud for the same reason.
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/st ... spect-data
If anything, budesonide looks to be a better bet to aid recovery.
Of course, one could go and get the fucking vaccine, but that would be too easy.
Yeah, I mentioned that retraction earlier, but Doggo came up with some snide BS. That's before he went on ignore, BTW.

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Lsuoma wrote: Yeah, I mentioned that retraction earlier, but Doggo came up with some snide BS. That's before he went on ignore, BTW.
Don't fool yourself Lsuoma. Don't re-write your memory, to bury the truth. And DON'T LIE ABOUT IT to others.

Below, in blue, is the complete history of Ivermectin/Covid talk on the pit, until you posted the debunk of the Egyptian Ivermectin Study. Please note that No One went overboard with pro-Ivermectin claims. And MY involvement was pretty-much a single post-- in which I expressed doubts about Bret Weinstein's credibility:

Bhurzum was the first to mention news about Ivermectin, in relation to Covid, in April 2020:
https://slymepit.com/phpbb/viewtopic.ph ... in#p495337

Over the next 3 days-- Ivermectin remained a minor topic of conversation-- in fewer-than-10-posts by Hunt, Driftless, Matt, Lsuoma-- all lighthearted & genial. And then it was not mentioned again for THIRTEEN MONTHS.

Until May 2021, when Matt made a single passing reference to it.

20 days later-- Javis posted about Ivermectin a single time: a link to Bret W. discussing it with Benjamin Boyce.

No more mentions-- until
July 10, 2021-- when John D. posted about his frustrations with Bret W.-- for being long-winded/ with a lack of double-blind peer reviewed control group studies-- results to back his claims.

And that was literally the FIRST TIME i engaged on the topic of Ivermectin. I told John I shared his doubts about Bret W. I offered a summary of Bret W.'s podcast reply to a Quillette article criticizing Bret. And that's it. One post-- as full of even-handed information as I could make it:
https://slymepit.com/phpbb/viewtopic.ph ... in#p503748 (And the post right below that one highlighted the comments section under the Quillette piece... not Ivermectin/ but other-issues, such as natural immunity.)

Matt, Javis & Marcus replied regarding Weinstein. Everyone was calm & reasonable. 7 days later, I posted a video debunking Eric Weinstein's theoretical physics claims-- as evidence that big-brother-Weinstein might be a kook, too.



So, where were we?
Lsuoma wrote: Yeah, I mentioned that retraction earlier, but Doggo came up with some snide BS. That's before he went on ignore, BTW.
When you posted about that de-bunk of the Egyptian Ivermectin study-- you weren't replying to any pitter in particular. Certainly not me.

And it was NOT "before" you put me on 'ignore'. You literally explained that you had NOT EVEN READ my reply--because you were ignoring me. You just happened to indirectly see that someone-else had quoted part of what I said.

And so YOU FAILED TO SEE THAT I WAS AGREEING WITH YOU-- that the Egypt study was flawed. My only objection was to laugh that you used the term 'log-rolling' to complain about Weinstein & Co. I laughed because the sources you provided were literally 2 antifa-sympathizer bloggers... with minuscule blogs... who are in-real-life buddies... agreeing with each-other. That's the essence of "log-rolling" a very-tiny log.



See what happens when you attempt to participate in a discussion-- while 'ignoring' the person you're trying to refute?



For what it's worth, the real history of Lsuoma ignoring me dates-back to:

April 15, when you-- Lsuoma-- posted about Kelton's Modern Monetary Theory book. You said "no cogent case" had been leveled against it. I posted plenty of objections, in particular a book review by Bob Murphy, which you refused to read.

That exchange lasted until 3 months + 3 weeks ago, when your claimed that all the recent govt spending wasn't resulting in Inflation.
Your exact words were:
Yawn. Call me when it's sustained over 3-6-9 months.
You called me & others 'conspiracy theorists'. You broadcast that you were ignoring me & encouraged others to join your ignore-club. You labelled me a 'troll'. You accused me of being a fake-- not being the person I present myself as:
Lsuoma wrote:"Actually, I'm wondering if we need Hunny Bunny to see if Doggo is actually plagiarizing his stuff instead of composing it. I can't tell because I can't bring myself to read it - I'd rather shoot my face off. Not enough time in my life to engage with people like Dogster - out feeding deer and raising bees."
https://slymepit.com/phpbb/viewtopic.ph ... 80#p502829
Lsuoma wrote: the fact that you report "interesting" and "streety" stuff very frequently makes you very suspect as a reporter. You may tell a good story - I find you fairly tedious, though other may not - but I suspect you are a great tailor of the whole cloth.
Lsuoma's outbursts against me are false. I think they reflect poorly on Lsuoma.

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NZ goat herder named.

Now I wonder why they were so coy in releasing the details?
… Ahamed Aathill Mohammad Samsudeen after a suppression order was lifted on Saturday night.
Samsudeen, 32, arrived in New Zealand in 2011 from Sri Lanka on a student visa.
Must have been a long Uni course.

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This is the US Department of Defense's current Undersecretary of Defense-- tasked with "Defense Policy", with his staffers.

https://media.patriots.win/post/bAqUZVhB.jpeg

This is his twitter: @DOD_Policy ...Or his tumblr, or his pinterest, or whatever. It's all hugs & good news! Yayyyyyyyy!!!!

https://mobile.twitter.com/DOD_Policy

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If anyone has the patience here is Weinstein's talk with Tess Lawrie about the Ivermectin meta-analysis. There are allegations that she has an undeclared conflict of interest because of her membership of a non-profit group pushing Ivermectin. It seems an odd allegation. The logical assumption is that the members of that group are motivated by their analysis of the data, not the other way around. A particularly salient point made is that the obsession with randomised controlled trials obscures the value of other sources of evidence. A single case study or series of case studies by a single physician is unreliable, but a statistical analysis of case studies from multiple sources is worth something. Another strong point by Weinstein is that if a drug can be found that prevents infection it has the potential to eliminate Covid altogether, which we know is something that the vaccines cannot do. The vaccine only insistence is dangerous in that regard.
https://odysee.com/@BretWeinstein:f/TessLawrie:0

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Service Dog wrote:
Sat Sep 04, 2021 2:16 pm
This is the US Department of Defense's current Undersecretary of Defense-- tasked with "Defense Policy", with his staffers.

https://media.patriots.win/post/bAqUZVhB.jpeg

This is his twitter: @DOD_Policy ...Or his tumblr, or his pinterest, or whatever. It's all hugs & good news! Yayyyyyyyy!!!!

https://mobile.twitter.com/DOD_Policy
I gather the defense policy is to apologise profusely for white supremacy and structural racism and hope any would be aggressor relents. Here's hoping his Indian couterpart let's him know exactly how little weight his promises carry in light of recent events.

I'm now hearing that disgusted soldiers are reporting that the Taliban let American citizens through to the airport gates but they were prevented from letting them through and onto the nearly empty planes by the State Dept.

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Service Dog wrote:
Fri Sep 03, 2021 3:09 pm
ThreeFlangedJavis wrote: Now nobody wants to hear about whistleblowers
Chelsea Manning has gone full-FtB.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021 ... greenwald/
I always had doubts about Manning. Unlike Snowden, who saw something clearly wrong and chose to whistleblow as a last resort, Manning never had any particular grips but rather wanted to leak whatever s/h/it could get their hands on, regardless of whether they had a problem with it or not. Seemed like an attention grab to me. In a sane world, Snowden would have got the pardon and Manning would still be rotting in prison.

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"Dr. McElyea said patients are packing his eastern and southeastern Oklahoma hospitals after taking ivermectin doses meant for a full-sized horse, because they believed false claims the horse de-wormer could fight COVID-19.

“The ERs are so backed up that gunshot victims were having hard times getting to facilities where they can get definitive care and be treated,” he said.

That’s something McElyea said is now backing up ambulance systems as well.

“All of their ambulances are stuck at the hospital waiting for a bed to open so they can take the patient in and they don’t have any, that’s it,” said Dr. McElyea. “If there’s no ambulance to take the call, there’s no ambulance to come to the call.”

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"McElyea is also listed as working at Integris Grove Hospital in Grove, OK as a general family practitioner - not in the ER. A phone call to them provided no insight as to any ivermectin overdoses, however the gentleman who answered the phone sounded quite amused. What's more, Grove, OK - with a population of 7,129, had just 14 aggravated assaults in all of 2019 according to the FBI's latest data. We somehow doubt that 'gunshot victims were lining up outside the ER,' while just 11 ivermectin related hospital cases have been reported in the entire state since the beginning of May."





NHS Sequoyah, located in Sallisaw, Oklahoma - just issued a statement disavowing McElyea's claims, which pops up when you visit their website: https://nhssequoyah.com/

What about the rest of the state?

According to Scott Schaeffer, managing director of the Oklahoma Center for Poison and Drug Information, "Since the beginning of May, we’ve received reports of 11 people being exposed to :rimshot: ivermectin," he told the NY Daily News.

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/roll ... ivermectin

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Maybe I'm doing it wrong, but I can't find any doctor named McElyea licensed to practice in Oklahoma.

Database:
https://www.okmedicalboard.org/search

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Service Dog wrote: Maybe I'm doing it wrong, but I can't find any doctor named McElyea licensed to practice in Oklahoma.

Database:
https://www.okmedicalboard.org/search
He's an osteopath (DO), not an MD.
https://www.ok.gov/osboe/
The site is down at the moment.

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Yeah, I saw McElyea uses the title "DO" after his name, rather than "MD". Which means he practices "Osteopathic" medicine.

I'm not familiar with that-- wikipedia has 2 listings. One for Osteopathic medicine in-general, calling it 'quack' and 'placebo', and another for Osteopathic medicine in the United States-- claiming it was re-integrated with standard medicine in the 20th Century.

Reddit users found that Dr. Jason McElyea was fired in 2018, and sued the hospital:
https://www.mcalesternews.com/news/form ... 03156.html

Google image search shows him lecturing on The Opioid Crisis.

Here are 2 of his patient reviews, according to Reddit:

"July 2018:

Absolutely horrible experience with this obviously egomaniacal, borderline criminally negligent so called doctor. Tried to give an end stage liver patient 3000 mg of Tylenol because of the opioid crisis. Had to take his orders to a pharmacist to get a statement to prove to the facility what had happened. Bedside manner was very dismissive and accusatory. Overall he was awful."

"Dec. 2017:

Unfortunately, I have never seen such poor bedside manner for a 91 year old who survived a massive PE. I crinched to discover that he oversees family medicine residents as those learning from him in the room were also shocked by his demeanor. Emergency Departments not staffed and managed by boarded Emergency Medical Doctors are always a concern for those who truly have emergent needs."

McElyea appears to be the defendant in this open medical malpractice/ wrongful death suit. I read the initial filing, but it didn't contain many details. I see his attorney petitioned to be removed from defending him.

https://www.oscn.net/dockets/GetCaseInf ... cmid=41771

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May 27, 2020
I had an unpleasant and insensitive visit with this doctor. I have no idea why he would be so curt and unresponsive. I came in early in the morning because I had been up most of the night with viral symptoms. I thought my throat was closing. He told me “yes, you probably have covid”, but did not test me. The next day I went to my doctor and he tested me and I’m awaiting results. Whatever your hospital policy is, it should be explained to the patient in a relatively professional manner.

Jun 26, 2019
I had to go emergency room for complications from gall bkadder surgery and he was on call. He did nothing to help me at all.He's a smartmouth and i wouldn't recommend this lowlife freak to help anyone! I wound up having to go to the hospital in Joplin Mo.If you go to this doctor , you're nuts!

Feb 27, 2021
Quite direct, efficient, and kind. I was slightly put off by his tics, but the nurse said he had Tourette's

https://www.healthgrades.com/physician/ ... lyea-g8qbl

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McElyea might be a fraud and the story a lie, but people really are dying from treatable illnesses because the ICUs are filled with covid patients and they cannot be treated.
e.g. https://www.foxnews.com/us/houston-afgh ... it-icu-bed
https://www.insider.com/kansas-man-dies ... -19-2021-8

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zou3gou3 wrote:
Sun Sep 05, 2021 1:11 am
McElyea might be a fraud and the story a lie, but people really are dying from treatable illnesses because the ICUs are filled with covid patients and they cannot be treated.
e.g. https://www.foxnews.com/us/houston-afgh ... it-icu-bed
https://www.insider.com/kansas-man-dies ... -19-2021-8
What bothers me about these stories is that they are all anecdote and no data. Is it not the case that across the whole of the US you would be guaranteed to find cases of people whose death was complicated by ICU being full? Is there more of this right now than normal? If ICU's are genuinely full of Covid patients, are they full of people in ICU from Covid, or with Covid? If it really is that full of people sick from Covid, where are the stories about hospital ships and temporary hospitals being set up like there was during the first spike?

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When does anecdote become data? How many cases are required? I doubt that patients are being flown from Texas to Idaho for the fun of it, or from Mississippi to Missouri. In August Alabama had no free ICU beds.

https://www.wcbi.com/flight-nurses-flyi ... hospitals/
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/08/17/heal ... index.html
To make matters worse, after 18 months of stress, a lot of ICU nurses are throwing in the towel so that hospitals are understaffed, and a bed without nurses is the same as no bed.

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With regard to covid hospitalisations, some medical facilities are publishing graphics of bed usage by CV19 patients. Note the ratio vax/unvax.
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zou3gou3 wrote: McElyea might be a fraud and the story a lie, but
Thank you for conceding that possibility. Before we proceed-- pause for a moment & consider how widespread McElyea's story has been reported as 'truth', and how few of those news sources will ever print a retraction. The story will not be flagged 'medical misinformation' by Facebook, Google, YouTube, Twitter.

Literally the only institution which has issued an official statement refuting McElyea's claims-- is the hospital which fired him in 2018/ which is also the hospital named in the wrongful death lawsuit against McElyea.

So that hospital has it's own self-interested reasons to make it 100% clear that McElyea is no longer an employee/ and does not speak for them/ despite continuing to list his affiliation with them in his bio. If not for including that-hospital in his lies, they-too would have let his lies stand unopposed-- just like everyone else.
zou3gou3 wrote: McElyea might be a fraud and the story a lie, but people really are dying from treatable illnesses because the ICUs are filled with covid patients and they cannot be treated.
e.g. https://www.foxnews.com/us/houston-afgh ... it-icu-bed
https://www.insider.com/kansas-man-dies ... -19-2021-8
Please understand-- you're not making new claims. We've all heard The Sky Is Falling for 2 years. And we accepted those claims, at first.

In November 2020, I posted-about how the widely-reported "shortage" of ICU beds was due to a change in How The Number Of Bed Is Counted:

If no staff is assigned to an ICU bed BECAUSE THE BED IS EMPTY, then that AVAILABLE bed is counted as not-existing:
"Hospitalizations have been increasing, but the change is also due to revisions in how hospitals report the numbers.

MARC spokeswoman Amy Strange said that in October, the federal system used to report data removed pediatric ICUs from its total counts. Children make up only a tiny number of COVID-19 patients who need intensive care.

A month ago, Kansas City had a total of 994 intensive care unit beds, as listed on the MARC dashboard. The dashboard currently lists 534."

https://slymepit.com/phpbb/viewtopic.ph ... ds#p499940
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Another perverse twist to the story-- is the artificial limit on the number ICU beds. In the US, if someone wishes to build or enlarge a hospital-- to provide more ICU beds-- the newcomer must first request permission-- from the existing-hospitals which already provide ICU beds in that area. If the pre-existing hospitals say that a new hospital will hurt the old-ones' business... by creating too much competition for too-few patients... then the existing hospitals have the legal authority to stop new competitors from emerging.

Those same old hospitals are now crying fake crocodile tears-- about the 'shortage' of ICU beds-- blaming Covid & the un-vaccinated, not their own anti-competitive business practices.


Here in New York, we were told we'd be locked-down '2 weeks to flatten the curve', so that Covid would not overwhelm the available medical facilities. An emergency field hospital was built in Central Park, a military hospital ship was docked in Manhattan. But that expanded-capacity went un-used, because the sick patients were packed into all the pre-existing hospital beds AND NURSING HOMES-- so that the precious Business Model of those hospitals would receive every dollar and penny of profit.

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The US medical system is a corrupt abomination. But the US is far-from-alone when it comes-to hype vs. reality. Look at the the UK:

"Hospital intensive care no busier than normal for most trusts, leaked documents show
Update seen by Telegraph shows capacity tracking as normal for beginning of November, with usual numbers of beds available
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An NHS source said: "As you can see, our current position in October is exactly where we have been over the last five years."

The new data shows that, even in the peak of the Covid outbreak in April, critical care beds were never more than 80 per cent full.

Although there has been a reduction in surge capacity since the first wave, with the closure of the emergency Nightingale Hospitals, there is still 15 per cent spare capacity across the country – fairly normal for this time of year.
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Commenting on the new data, Professor Carl Heneghan, director of the Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine at the University of Oxford, said: "This is completely in line with what is normally available at this time of year. What I don't understand is that I seem to be looking at a different dataset to what the Government is presenting.
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"Everything is looking at normal levels and free bed capacity is still significant, even in high dependency units and intensive care, even though we have a very small number across the board. We are starting to see a drop in people in hospitals.
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But the leaked documents also show that no intensive care units are in Covid-19 Pandemic Critcon levels above two, and the majority are at 0, meaning they are operating as normal.

Critcon levels three and four are enacted during a "full stretch" and "emergency", when other wards need to be used for critical care. But 146 units out of 222 (65 per cent) are still at "Critcon 0", which is defined as "business as usual" by the NHS.

https://slymepit.com/phpbb/viewtopic.ph ... ds#p499942

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The entire premise-- that ICU beds are full because Unvaccinated people are unnecessarily filling them-- rests on the assumption that Covid Vaccination is effective in stopping Covid from overwhelming medical capacity. Reality doesn't confirm that hypothesis. Right now-- the Most Vaccinated Israel is experiencing the Most Overwhelmed hospitals.

And even the firmly anti-Trump Nate Silver debunked the pandemic-of-the-unvaccinated narrative... by exposing the CDC's fucktarded methodology in the infamous Gay Bears of Bear Week In P-town incident: https://slymepit.com/phpbb/viewtopic.ph ... ek#p504126

After 2 years of lies, the burden of credibility is on the medical establishment, not those of us who want more truth & accountability from them.
Instead, they've attempted top-down authoritarian bullying, to silence dissent.

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Keating wrote:
Sat Sep 04, 2021 9:48 pm
Service Dog wrote:
Fri Sep 03, 2021 3:09 pm
ThreeFlangedJavis wrote: Now nobody wants to hear about whistleblowers
Chelsea Manning has gone full-FtB.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021 ... greenwald/
I always had doubts about Manning. Unlike Snowden, who saw something clearly wrong and chose to whistleblow as a last resort, Manning never had any particular grips but rather wanted to leak whatever s/h/it could get their hands on, regardless of whether they had a problem with it or not. Seemed like an attention grab to me. In a sane world, Snowden would have got the pardon and Manning would still be rotting in prison.
Snowden was the bigger headache because he had a specific objection to exactly the kind of behaviour that the permanent state wanted to indulge in. A big element of the anti-Snowden propaganda has been that he cosied up to the Russians. An Obama era official has released memoirs in which he boasts that they canceled Snowden's passport when he was in Russia en route to Ecuador (I think) and pressured Cuba into denying him entry as Havana was his next stop. They did this deliberately to strand him in Russia so they could smear him as some kind of traitor.

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Sat Sep 04, 2021 10:21 pm
"Dr. McElyea said patients are packing his eastern and southeastern Oklahoma hospitals after taking ivermectin doses meant for a full-sized horse, because they believed false claims the horse de-wormer could fight COVID-19.

“The ERs are so backed up that gunshot victims were having hard times getting to facilities where they can get definitive care and be treated,” he said.

That’s something McElyea said is now backing up ambulance systems as well.

“All of their ambulances are stuck at the hospital waiting for a bed to open so they can take the patient in and they don’t have any, that’s it,” said Dr. McElyea. “If there’s no ambulance to take the call, there’s no ambulance to come to the call.”
If this were true it would reflect the failure of the medical establishment and media. Trying to keep a lid on discussion of an important topic like this only adds to people's belief that they are being lied to and drives them toward less scrupulous and less rigorous sources. People should be encouraged to speak to their doctors about Ivermectin and doctors should feel free to prescribe or advise on safe dosages and sources without fear of repercussion.

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I love this bit of statistical rigor:


Deriving a percentage from a sample size of 4. Haw!

I wonder what happens if they were to shift the cut-off to 'age 57 and under'. Would the number of Young Dead People drop to 0% ?!

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I find it a little odd that 3 corporate chains of hospitals-- would all spontaneously release such similar infographics, with slight differences in graphic design.

I see nothing indicating that any of those hospitals are anywhere-near full capacity. The "100%" of patients in beds doesn't mean 100% of the beds are full.

And the fact that these are large networks-- each containing dozens of clinics & hospitals-- means they can quickly & easily re-arrange their staffing-- to provide more personnel at any individual hospital experiencing a spike in patients. They can activate empty/unstaffed beds... increasing the overall denominator.

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I knew Ivermectin was a great treatment for worms, but I never imagined it would expose such a huuuuge Can Of Worms as all the Vaccine Shills currently wriggling. The Biden administration admits that it pays #influencers :animals-worm: :animals-worm: :animals-worm: :animals-worm: to influence the some-animals-are-LESS-equal-than-others :animals-sheep: :animals-sheep: :animals-sheep:

We're gonna need a bigger jug of Sheep Drench.
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Go back to May 1... when the Center For Disease Control decided it was a good idea to stop Centralizing Control of the Disease-- by stopping their count of Vaccinated People who test positive for Covid. Thus blinding themselves to the emerging Delta Variant. But Providing Excellent Fake Statistics for use in Propaganda Headlines... about how 'effective' the vaccines were!

And go back to the CDC's decision-- to limit the PCR testing of Vaccinated people (and vaccinated people ONLY) to 24 cycles. Thus creating an apples-and-oranges situation-- where the number of Vax'd people testing positive cannot be compared to the number UnVax'd people testing positive (with more sensitive tests.)

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I'd like to see the MALE / FEMALE breakdown in those hospital infographics. Males are less likely to be Vax'd than Females. And Males suffer more devastating symptoms of Covid. So the Ratio of vaccinated vs. unvaccinated people in those infographics may be CORRELATION NOT CAUSATION... if people who are getting Really Sick/ On Ventilators/ and Dying... are disproportionately MALE. But, if: -all males- are suffering at the same High Rates... REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THEY'RE VAX'D.


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Service Dog:
If no staff is assigned to an ICU bed BECAUSE THE BED IS EMPTY, then that AVAILABLE bed is counted as not-existing.
If that were true, then empty beds would NEVER show up as available. Surely if no staff is assigned because NO STAFF is available, then they’re not counted.
the Most Vaccinated Israel is experiencing the Most Overwhelmed hospitals.
The Most Overwhelmed. Really? Show your source.
you're not making new claims. We've all heard The Sky Is Falling for 2 years
You’re just ignoring the two examples given.
I find it a little odd that 3 corporate chains of hospitals-- would all spontaneously release such similar infographics, with slight differences in graphic design.
They didn’t. They are just three of many you can google.
I see nothing indicating that any of those hospitals are anywhere-near full capacity. The "100%" of patients in beds doesn't mean 100% of the beds are full.
Where do the infographics say that the beds are 100% occupied?
And go back to the CDC's decision-- to limit the PCR testing of Vaccinated people (and vaccinated people ONLY) to 24 cycles. Thus creating an apples-and-oranges situation-- where the number of Vax'd people testing positive cannot be compared to the number UnVax'd people testing positive (with more sensitive tests.)
Irrelevant. People do not finish up in hospital because of a test but because they need treatment.

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Let us assume — for the sake of argument — that ivermectin does a great job in curing you if you contract covid. Can someone explain to me why they would rather fall ill and be treated than avoid getting diseased in the first place (or, in the case of a breakthrough, having fewer symptoms).
Why are you so scared of vaccines? I honestly don't get it.

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zou3gou3 wrote:
Sun Sep 05, 2021 12:18 pm
Let us assume — for the sake of argument — that ivermectin does a great job in curing you if you contract covid. Can someone explain to me why they would rather fall ill and be treated than avoid getting diseased in the first place (or, in the case of a breakthrough, having fewer symptoms).
Why are you so scared of vaccines? I honestly don't get it.
I think you are getting this answer, or at least failing to see that there could be other answers, because you are asking a very narrowly scoped question. It's like Brexit. If the question one asked was is it going to be economically better over the next 5 years to stay in the EU than leave, then the answer was obvious.

In the case of Covid we are in this rolling cycle of scope creep. 2 weeks to flatten the curve becomes months of trying to get to zero Covid. Then we are locking down while we let the vaccine work, then it turns out we need a third shot, then it looks like more shots after that..... Keeping that cycle of "freedom is just over the next hill" going relies on enough people buying in to it. So much political capital has been committed to this course of action, that it's easier to press on than admit failure. So, I think me vaccinating incentivises the machine to keep going.

Another incentive issue that me vaccinating and buying into lockdowns etc... drives is the incentives that come with it being made obvious just how far civil liberties can be pushed in a crisis as pitiful as this. How far information can be restricted without pushback.... Supposedly climate change is a far more dangerous crisis, and certainly locking us down and only allowing the elite to jet about the world would help with that. It's not as if there is a shortage of crises that are supposed to be far more serious and deadly than Covid. If we did it for Covid, why not other stuff? We have let the cat out of the bag.

At the same time as all that is going on, you have people who didn't work before refusing to work because "it isn't safe yet". By constantly kicking the can down the road of when we are going to go back to normal, we are allowing them to do that. By doing so, we are killing small businesses. Are those people even helping themselves? 2 years more unskilled labour will have grown up and entered the job market to compete with them. It feels like we are deliberately creating a vast army of unemployable, lazy larping marxists who want to sit at home, play on their PS5 and vote Democrat so they get more free money.

This has to end, and taking a vaccine that will wear off in a few months doesn't seem like it's going to make it end. The more people are vaccinated, the more the virus will come up with vaccine resistant variants. All I'm doing by taking the vaccine is helping to keep this stupid game going longer.

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Another example.... the campaign to manage the message on Covid has been run like the Hunter Biden laptop story. If they run the social media censorship playbook again, and it is another win.... what lesson will be learned from this? Where will the incentive be to stop?

If you restrict the question down to purely one of medical science, then meh.... the vaccine doesn't bother me too much.

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zou3gou3 wrote: Let us assume — for the sake of argument — that ivermectin does a great job in curing you if you contract covid. Can someone explain to me why they would rather fall ill and be treated than avoid getting diseased in the first place (or, in the case of a breakthrough, having fewer symptoms).
Your question suggests that Ivermectin does not prevent contracting covid. The claimed-benefits include prophylactic prevention-- as well as therapeutic recovery for those with early or mild symptoms.
zou3gou3 wrote: Why are you so scared of vaccines? I honestly don't get it.
You don't need to understand it. You don't even need to understand that your question is malformed & defective. And there's no burden on me or anyone to convince you, to understand. All you need to know is other people's medical decisions aren't your business... and if you attempt to force your will on others-- they'll defend themselves as they see fit.

Even more so, if the rule-makers do not follow their own rules. Happy Birthday, Pres-i-dent O-baaaammaaaa. Hap-py... birth-day... to... you.

I'll probably give you a fuller reply, but everything-else is just bierschäum auf dem bier.

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The only thing that seems weird to me about Ivermectin is in contrast to masking. I've read most of the randomised control studies for mask effectiveness, and the signal seems weak to me, particularly for cloth masks. Disposable surgical masks being slightly better, but still of negligible benefit, if they're replaced regularly, and not too bad for regularly replaced N95 masks (which are expensive and require training to use properly). There's a usage issue, particularly when masks are worn for long periods of time, that makes them likely to be counter productive. Even the recent Bangladeshi study showed basically no signal for cloth masking for people under 50. Yet, we have mandates to wear them, even outdoors. I haven't read the Ivermectin data, but it also sounds weak from the summaries from people I trust. The contrast of these two positions seems odd to me.

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It sticks the needle in its arm, or else it gets the lockdown again. And then it gets the lockdown anyway.

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Keating wrote: I haven't read the Ivermectin data, but it also sounds weak from the summaries from people I trust.
Who? I think Sam Harris & Dr. Topol made fools of themselves on their podcast episode. But I attribute that to them both existing in a self-re-assuring bubble/ only engaging with their opponents in a sniping-to-score-points sort of way. Which says nothing about the actual value of the drug. The Quillette piece against Bret W. also veered into a 'hit piece' low road, instead of vetting their claims fair-and-square.

I'd like to see someone approach the issue in an impartial manner. But I think the pro-establishment side demands a show of fealty to the party line. They can't let an independent observer make a judgement which lets the anti-establishment side continue to exist.

The closest I've found-- is when my gf is skeptical that I'm too-far to one side... and she fact-checks me using japanese-language sources. She trusts Japan because they're notoriously-cautious about food-and-drug safety. So she trusts Japan's recent pro-Ivermectin policies. (We spent last week at a friend's cabin upstate. GF admitted to being afraid of snakes & bears & insects & drinking river water & noises-in-the-dark... fears she concealed in previous trips. Likewise, she was not comfortable with me buying a $5 squirter of apple-flavored horse paste at the Tractor Supply. I was 1/3 joking, 1/3 "why not?" and 1/3 "fuck 'em for telling me I can't". To her, it was like I was eating cat or dog food. First she read a bunch of extreme side-effects on english-language Google: blindness! Death! Which scared her. Then she switched to Japanese & was calmed-by their lack of hysteria.)

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zou3gou3 wrote:
Sun Sep 05, 2021 12:18 pm
Let us assume — for the sake of argument — that ivermectin does a great job in curing you if you contract covid. Can someone explain to me why they would rather fall ill and be treated than avoid getting diseased in the first place (or, in the case of a breakthrough, having fewer symptoms).
Why are you so scared of vaccines? I honestly don't get it.
There is some evidence that it can prevent infection. I can't speak for anyone who is "scared" of vaccines because I don't know anyone who is, but presumably they are hesitant because nobody knows what the long term side effects of the vaccines are and they don't trust a word about the prevalence of side-effects which present in the short term. Anyone who says they know the long term side effects hasn't learned from history. What is wrong with allowing people who are "scared"of vaccines to access a relatively harmless and inexpensive drug which may turn out to be of some benefit? Why would anyone prefer the scoring of rhetorical points over disseminating advice on the safe use of Ivermectin? Surely you'd do the latter if you believed the horseshit about Ivermectin abusers filling beds?

There are the political and ideological issues to consider as well. Some people value individual autonomy over collective safety and it is a rational point of view. There are strong constitutional arguments against coerced vaccination in America and there are people who understand that once you allow the boundaries to be crossed there's usually no going back. They might also understand that there are political opportunists using Covid for their own ends and they don't like the feeling that populations are being steered in a particular direction and the allegation of Covid misinformation is being used as a tool to bash dissenters into line. This makes them resist mandates.

Aside from everything else, these are surely quite shitty vaccines given that they engender an immune response to only one part of the virus. You only need to mutate the spike to compromise immunity whereas presumably natural immunity recognises more than just the spike.

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fafnir wrote:
Sun Sep 05, 2021 12:55 pm
At the same time as all that is going on, you have people who didn't work before refusing to work because "it isn't safe yet". By constantly kicking the can down the road of when we are going to go back to normal, we are allowing them to do that. By doing so, we are killing small businesses. Are those people even helping themselves? 2 years more unskilled labour will have grown up and entered the job market to compete with them. It feels like we are deliberately creating a vast army of unemployable, lazy larping marxists who want to sit at home, play on their PS5 and vote Democrat so they get more free money.
Your govt doesn't seem to consider itself bound by economic limitations. The Utopian New World is on the horizon so who cares. Perhaps they expect reality to coddle their super morally just policies. Biden did express some crap about how businesses should pay people more if they wanted employees, essentially justifying making private business compete with govt cheques (real spelling). He really is a moron. I believe the 85 billion in arms the Taliban have is 85% of what the US has donated toward Israeli security over decades. People used to be really exercised over this Israeli expenditure. You could buy thousands of F-35s for that amount or a few carrier fleets and yet the Biden Admin doesn't seem to give a crap. This was a successful withdrawal after all.

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fafnir wrote:
Sun Sep 05, 2021 12:55 pm
zou3gou3 wrote:
Sun Sep 05, 2021 12:18 pm
Let us assume — for the sake of argument — that ivermectin does a great job in curing you if you contract covid. Can someone explain to me why they would rather fall ill and be treated than avoid getting diseased in the first place (or, in the case of a breakthrough, having fewer symptoms).
Why are you so scared of vaccines? I honestly don't get it.
I think you are getting this answer, or at least failing to see that there could be other answers, because you are asking a very narrowly scoped question. It's like Brexit. If the question one asked was is it going to be economically better over the next 5 years to stay in the EU than leave, then the answer was obvious.

In the case of Covid we are in this rolling cycle of scope creep. 2 weeks to flatten the curve becomes months of trying to get to zero Covid. Then we are locking down while we let the vaccine work, then it turns out we need a third shot, then it looks like more shots after that..... Keeping that cycle of "freedom is just over the next hill" going relies on enough people buying in to it. So much political capital has been committed to this course of action, that it's easier to press on than admit failure. So, I think me vaccinating incentivises the machine to keep going.

Another incentive issue that me vaccinating and buying into lockdowns etc... drives is the incentives that come with it being made obvious just how far civil liberties can be pushed in a crisis as pitiful as this. How far information can be restricted without pushback.... Supposedly climate change is a far more dangerous crisis, and certainly locking us down and only allowing the elite to jet about the world would help with that. It's not as if there is a shortage of crises that are supposed to be far more serious and deadly than Covid. If we did it for Covid, why not other stuff? We have let the cat out of the bag.

At the same time as all that is going on, you have people who didn't work before refusing to work because "it isn't safe yet". By constantly kicking the can down the road of when we are going to go back to normal, we are allowing them to do that. By doing so, we are killing small businesses. Are those people even helping themselves? 2 years more unskilled labour will have grown up and entered the job market to compete with them. It feels like we are deliberately creating a vast army of unemployable, lazy larping marxists who want to sit at home, play on their PS5 and vote Democrat so they get more free money.

This has to end, and taking a vaccine that will wear off in a few months doesn't seem like it's going to make it end. The more people are vaccinated, the more the virus will come up with vaccine resistant variants. All I'm doing by taking the vaccine is helping to keep this stupid game going longer.

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zou3gou3 wrote:
Sun Sep 05, 2021 12:18 pm
Let us assume — for the sake of argument — that ivermectin does a great job in curing you if you contract covid. Can someone explain to me why they would rather fall ill and be treated than avoid getting diseased in the first place (or, in the case of a breakthrough, having fewer symptoms).
Why are you so scared of vaccines? I honestly don't get it.
What I hear is that the "vaccine" does not prevent you from getting the Whuhan Flu or from spreading it. I do hear that it reduces the severity of the symptoms though.

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ThreeFlangedJavis wrote:
fafnir wrote:
Sun Sep 05, 2021 12:55 pm
At the same time as all that is going on, you have people who didn't work before refusing to work because "it isn't safe yet". By constantly kicking the can down the road of when we are going to go back to normal, we are allowing them to do that. By doing so, we are killing small businesses. Are those people even helping themselves? 2 years more unskilled labour will have grown up and entered the job market to compete with them. It feels like we are deliberately creating a vast army of unemployable, lazy larping marxists who want to sit at home, play on their PS5 and vote Democrat so they get more free money.
Your govt doesn't seem to consider itself bound by economic limitations. The Utopian New World is on the horizon so who cares. Perhaps they expect reality to coddle their super morally just policies. Biden did express some crap about how businesses should pay people more if they wanted employees, essentially justifying making private business compete with govt cheques (real spelling). He really is a moron. I believe the 85 billion in arms the Taliban have is 85% of what the US has donated toward Israeli security over decades. People used to be really exercised over this Israeli expenditure. You could buy thousands of F-35s for that amount or a few carrier fleets and yet the Biden Admin doesn't seem to give a crap. This was a successful withdrawal after all.
The Utopian New World has been on the horizon for a very long time. It's like Christ's prediction “Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.”

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zou3gou3 wrote: Service Dog:
If no staff is assigned to an ICU bed BECAUSE THE BED IS EMPTY, then that AVAILABLE bed is counted as not-existing.
If that were true, then empty beds would NEVER show up as available. Surely if no staff is assigned because NO STAFF is available, then they’re not counted.
The only empty beds which are counted as existing-- are beds which have staff assigned to the bed-- at the moment of counting. If there are 20 beds, and 10 beds are staffed, and 8 beds are occupied... that's counted as 80% capacity. And 80% is a normal number in non-pandemic non-emergency times. We could also count that as 8-out-of-20 beds, or "40%". The question is how-easily can the 11th thru 20th beds be assigned staff? Here in the US, hospital staffing is very flexible, especially within networks of hospitals-- such as the ones which produced your infographics. Nurses working a 4 day schedule can be assigned 5 days. Doctors who divide their time between two hospitals can spend more days at the busy hospital & fewer days at the less-busy hospital. The entire reason Dr. McElyea was able to claim affiliation with multiple hospitals in his area-- DESPITE NOT BEING CALLED INTO WORK FOR MONTHS-- was because of this staffing system. And the fact that the hospitals didn't call him-- shows they aren't overwhelmed.
the Most Vaccinated Israel is experiencing the Most Overwhelmed hospitals.

The Most Overwhelmed. Really? Show your source.
"Israel was the first country on Earth to fully vaccinate a majority of its citizens against COVID-19. Now it has one of the world's highest daily infection rates — an average of nearly 7,500 confirmed cases a day, double what it was two weeks ago. Nearly one in every 150 people in Israel today has the virus."....
" Health officials say that currently 600 seriously ill patients are hospitalized, and they warn they cannot handle more than 1,000 serious infections at the same time."


you're not making new claims. We've all heard The Sky Is Falling for 2 years
You’re just ignoring the two examples given.
What are you referring to? What have I ignored?
I find it a little odd that 3 corporate chains of hospitals-- would all spontaneously release such similar infographics, with slight differences in graphic design.
They didn’t. They are just three of many you can google.
That's my point. This is a coordinated PR effort-- emanating from the marketing departments of literal vaccine peddlers. They didn't all have the same idea to make the same infographics at once. It looks like the marketing campaign came from some central source. Such as the vax manufacturers or the highly-partisan Biden administration.
I see nothing indicating that any of those hospitals are anywhere-near full capacity. The "100%" of patients in beds doesn't mean 100% of the beds are full.
Where do the infographics say that the beds are 100% occupied?
Good, we agree. I'm warning-against misinterpreting the data.
And go back to the CDC's decision-- to limit the PCR testing of Vaccinated people (and vaccinated people ONLY) to 24 cycles. Thus creating an apples-and-oranges situation-- where the number of Vax'd people testing positive cannot be compared to the number UnVax'd people testing positive (with more sensitive tests.)
Irrelevant. People do not finish up in hospital because of a test but because they need treatment.
Nope. Relevant! If the hospitals receive patients who suffer the symptoms of Covid-- but only order confirmation-tests for those who are unVaxed/ or only order less-sensitive 24-cycle tests for those who are Vax'd... then the ratio of vax'd to unvax'd patients will be skewed from reality.

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I hesitate to go into-the-weeds like as I've done above... because, under normal circumstances, I'd say my own words sound 'hyper-skeptical'... like someone who finds fault with all data/ no matter how clear the evidence is/ preferring to believe their absurd pet theory.

However-- circumstances are far from normal. We have so so so many examples of the medical/political/journalism establishment tarnishing their own credibility with shoddy lies-of-convenience. They aren't like a trusted family doctor who delivered your babies & cared for your elders. They're like some incompetent lying frauds who killed 3 of your family last year & got caught covering it up... still demanding your blind consent to their decisions.

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Keating wrote: The only thing that seems weird to me about Ivermectin is in contrast to masking. I've read most of the randomised control studies for mask effectiveness, and the signal seems weak to me, particularly for cloth masks. Disposable surgical masks being slightly better, but still of negligible benefit, if they're replaced regularly, and not too bad for regularly replaced N95 masks (which are expensive and require training to use properly). There's a usage issue, particularly when masks are worn for long periods of time, that makes them likely to be counter productive. Even the recent Bangladeshi study showed basically no signal for cloth masking for people under 50. Yet, we have mandates to wear them, even outdoors. I haven't read the Ivermectin data, but it also sounds weak from the summaries from people I trust. The contrast of these two positions seems odd to me.
The evidence for the effectiveness of Ivermectin is overwhelming.

63 trials, of those, 31 RCTs , 44 peer-reviewed:
https://c19ivermectin.com

metas:
https://ivmmeta.com

The overall results in India have been dramatic.


Masks flat-out don't work. The mandates are partly about incompetent leaders trying to do something, mostly about conformity and virtue signaling in the Branch Covidian cult.

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That was kinda my point:
weak signal on masks -> mandate, anyone who disagrees is killing people
weak signal on ivermectin -> fake news, conspiracy theory, horse paste

Seems weird.

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Keating wrote: That was kinda my point:
weak signal on masks -> mandate, anyone who disagrees is killing people
weak signal on ivermectin -> fake news, conspiracy theory, horse paste

Seems weird.
I caught your drift, but was pointing out that the evidence for ivermectin is actually really strong.

They did the same thing with the lab origins 'conspiracy theory' and with HCQ. But not, notably, with Remdesivir, which doesn't work at all, costs a fortune, and has nasty side effects like death. Did I mention it costs a fortune?

It's not weird when you consider that 12 of the last 13 FDA directors went on to become CEOs of pharma companies.

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Not when it's a world wide issue as well. The FDA doesn't administer the NSW government. The WHO does have that kind of power, and it is controlled by China.

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Service dog:
Your question suggests that Ivermectin does not prevent contracting covid. The claimed-benefits include prophylactic prevention-- as well as therapeutic recovery for those with early or mild symptoms.
How long do you want to take a daily dose of ivermectin as prophylaxis? It's like taking doxycycline to prevent malaria. It's Ok for three weeks but I wouldn't recommend it for the rest of your life.
Israel was the first country on Earth to fully vaccinate a majority of its citizens against COVID-19. Now it has one of the world's highest daily infection rates
In the very same NPR article that you quote: "3. If you get infected, being vaccinated helps." "4. Israel's high vaccination rate isn't high enough....That means only 58% of Israel's total citizenry is fully vaccinated....We have a very large fraction of our population who are paying the price for a small fraction of the population who did not go to get the vaccine"
Anyway, I'm now going off on leave

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zou3gou3 wrote: How long do you want to take a daily dose of ivermectin as prophylaxis?
That's not the recommended protocol. You're too ignorant to look down on those who disagree with you. I hope you read all the other posts on this page. Your questions were answered by others, quite amply-- on both philosophical & medical grounds.

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Proof Trump won the 2020 election:

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"Hello, poison control? I'm calling "about ivermectin". I swallowed some and then I read an article saying I had just poisoned myself. Am I going to die? What-- no-- I don't feel any side-effects. Ok, If I do, I'll go to the hospital. ThanksByeeeeeeeeeeeee."

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No access to healthcare, no participation in 'the economy', until you get the jab.
And that means AstraZeneca. If you want Pfizer, tough shit.

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zou3gou3 wrote:
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How long do you want to take a daily dose of ivermectin as prophylaxis? It's like taking doxycycline to prevent malaria. It's Ok for three weeks but I wouldn't recommend it for the rest of your life.
Why would your average healthy non-octogenarian do that when the odds of getting seriously ill from it are so low? Most people don't even bother to eat healthily. Under most circumstances people just live their lives with these kinds of risks. If we were that scared, you'd have thought we'd have collectively lost weight rather than gained it over lockdown.

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There's no purpose served in arguing with a deranged crackhead. Wake me when the Dog and Pony Show is over.

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Gudrun Ure is still alive...if anyone is taking note...

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MarcusAu wrote: Gudrun Ure
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screwtape wrote: There's no purpose served in arguing with a deranged crackhead. Wake me when the Dog and Pony Show is over.
The name's Poochie D And I rock the telly. I'm half-Joe Camel & 1/3 Fonzarelli.
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zou3gou3 wrote: How long do you want to take a daily dose of ivermectin as prophylaxis? It's like taking doxycycline to prevent malaria. It's Ok for three weeks but I wouldn't recommend it for the rest of your life.
On what do you you base your recommendation?

What, exactly, would be the drawbacks?

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