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Gladys the Pelican resigns in the face of corruption allegations. Hmm, were her sadistic lockdown measures in part a way to deflect scrutiny? Or is she just a sadist by nature?

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I see big nose has resigned in NSW.

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Fuck you, horse...

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There are a few pieces of detailed Covid and vaccine information that are important.... and maybe youall can help clarify these. Do I have the two facts correct?

1) I have been hearing that natural immunity is much much better than immunity from the jab.... as much as 25 times better. Is this really true?

2) I have been hearing that vaccinated people still get the virus... and spread the virus.... they just don't get very sick. These vaccinated and virus laden people are spreading the virus. Since they don't get sick, they don't even know they are spreading the virus. Is this true?

If these items are true... then vaccine mandates make no sense. We really want healthy people to catch the virus and recover. This will result in the most protection for compromised people.

Finally.... what kind of retard is not allowing people who have had Coivd to forgo the jab? People who have had the disease should not be forced to risk the shot's side affects for a very minimal benefit.

Maybe these "facts" are not true.... but if they are, then vaccine mandates are just evil and stupid.

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Who knows John.

Trying to get good information is difficult and the studies that are spit out at rapid pace make me question the effacy of all of the data.

Just doing a google scholar search for Ivermectin in 2021 gives out 5000+ results. Really you people (scientests/researchers) can output that much in 9 months?

Doing a 2021 search for covid results in 93k results. People are busy, good luck sifting through all this to get answers.

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John D wrote: 1) I have been hearing that natural immunity is much much better than immunity from the jab.... as much as 25 times better. Is this really true?
True, and always has been for natural vs. a vax.
2) I have been hearing that vaccinated people still get the virus... and spread the virus.... they just don't get very sick. These vaccinated and virus laden people are spreading the virus. Since they don't get sick, they don't even know they are spreading the virus. Is this true?
True, but never true before this shitty, not-really-a-vax experimental treatment.
If these items are true... then vaccine mandates make no sense. We really want healthy people to catch the virus and recover. This will result in the most protection for compromised people.
Quarantining healthy people also makes no sense. But we did it for a year.
Finally.... what kind of retard is not allowing people who have had Coivd to forgo the jab? People who have had the disease should not be forced to risk the shot's side affects for a very minimal benefit.
FYI, my health care friend who got an unsolicited religious exemption? Turns out she had the rona already.

This is all about performative public ritual to strengthen cohesiveness of the cult. It also creates an unclean 'Other' group to be feared and despised (Biden: "we must protect the vaccinated from the unvaccinated"), and to attract the focus away from how corrupt and inept our leaders are. The unvaxxed are the jews, the tutsis.

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No idea if this is true or not, but sharing it anyway...
https://www.ukcolumn.org/article/there-is-no-pandemic

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Basically it's somebody claiming to be an NHS statistician saying that 90% of covid admissions are not clinical cases of covid. They are somebody with a broken leg who tested positive for covid, or somebody with chest pain who was coded as having covid for no discernable reason. This is supposedly based on internal NHS data.

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fafnir wrote:
Steersman wrote: Stats for New York City say that some 25% of the deaths are those 65 and under. Scaling that to US demographics, I'd guestimate that that is about 2%.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavir ... ographics/

But whatever the percentage, I doubt that that "survival rate" is much consolation to the 716k US dead and their families.
Those are for May 2020 and purely for New York. I'm not saying your numbers are wrong just providing a more up to date stats for the whole US:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/119 ... by-age-us/
I make it 23% of of deaths in the under 65s. Obviously this is "died with" rather than "died from" and we shouldn't be looking at those numbers and thinking these were necessarily healthy people.

I'm puzzled by how you get a 2% figure. Are you dividing the number of cases by the number of deaths? That strikes me as a problematic thing to do because you are going to miss off lots of the asymptomatic people who were never tested. Anyway, up to date data below:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/125 ... age-group/
What you see there is that there is huge variance in how these cases are skewed by age. About 4million of the 75million cases are for over 65s and 71million are for the under 65s. That gives a case fatality rate for the under 65s of 158926 / 71m = 0.2% and for the over 65s of 528246 / 4m = 13%.
My mistake, mea culpa, shoot me at dawn. It was late and I was thrashed. But, on reviewing the data, the NYC numbers more or less confirm the ones you quote there. About 4000 dead under 65 in a NYC population of maybe 4 million under 65 who hadn't been exposed to the virus which works out to 1 in 1000 or 0.1 %. Rather inconsistent with the 99.997% survival rate that Matt is peddling, but then he seems to have his thumbs, to the elbows, on the scales.
fafnir wrote: Personally, I think those numbers are wildly overstating the fatality rate as, like I said these are "with covid" not "from covid" deaths and they are only picking up cases for people they test, and testing isn't random. If we were going to do this seriously, the stats would have to be gathered completely differently. How meaningful even is the case fatality rate to the average person given how skewed the deaths are towards people with significant health issues? The odds of a healthy, non-obese under 65 year old dying of covid is tiny.
You may well be right on the "overstating" - lies, damned lies, and statistics. Still, 0.1% mortality rate for under 65s - maybe 150 million in the US - is 150,000. Rather doubt the actual numbers are anywhere close to that given the 40-70% vaccination rate.

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fafnir wrote:
Steersman wrote: You may well have good reasons for not getting the jab, others quite a bit less so. Not sure how you can reasonably argue that society in general isn't somewhat justified in imposing some restrictions on the latter group.
Is this a general rule now? I mean, it feels like it wouldn't just apply to people with Covid. Maybe we should have everybody on the same STI test regimen as porn stars and and have an STI passport that is checked by dating websites and bars? Fat people put load on health services, maybe the federal government should be counting their calories for them and ban them from purchasing food if they've had too much and are being a drain on society? What is the general principle that the reaction to Covid is a specific instance of?
Kinda think it's a question of costs and benefits. It would no doubt minimize that load on the health services if people were penalized for various "unhealthy" behaviours - we're not allowed to drive if our eyesight is poor so anything that negatively affects others seems a reasonable target.

But STI tests in particular probably affect a very small percentage of the population as opposed to Covid which pretty much affects us all to a greater or lesser extent. Deaths due to STI is probably a very small fraction of the 716k deaths due to Covid which could have been 3 or 4 times larger without vaccinations. Bit more of a case for obesity which apparently causes some 300k deaths per year in the US:

https://www.wvdhhr.org/bph/oehp/obesity/mortality.htm

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screwtape wrote: A short while ago I mentioned there was a Mennonite community in my province that had chosen not to be vaccinated. Their outbreak has run its course now, with 95% of the community being infected, and thirteen hospitalisations including three deaths out of 250 people. Mostly young families with large numbers of children. I have no information as to how many of the surrounding non-Mennonites they infected. I'm sure they sincerely mourn the three who died, though it is unlikely they will think that through and ask themselves if those three might still be with them if they all had chosen to be vaccinated.
The Mennonites that live in my community apparently belong to a different sect, and have been vaccinated. Good, even admirable, people, but all the same, good people who stop educating their boys at 15 and their girls at 12. Not exactly maximising the potential of the brains of their offspring, but that would seem to be the point. Nonetheless, I loved being able to be part of their world in some small way, and maybe helped influence them to see vaccines as a positive benefit.
In the meantime I am now approved for a third dose as a bone marrow recipient with immunosuppression and limited ability to respond to immunizations. I shall delight in knowing that the deranged crackhead will spew forth bile, vitriol and saliva (such biology he must have!) in my direction as he imagines me rubbing my hands gleefully at the thought of the unvaccinated idiots, and anyone else he imagines I plot against, dying in droves. Paranoia used to worry me greatly when I was responsible for treating it - a schizophrenic who lived here and who moved to Ontario still rings me up every few weeks for a chat. He might be a 350lb psychotic with a criminal record for multiple assaults, but he counts as a friend and fellow Pink Floyd fan. Wish he didn't call after midnight when he can't sleep though. But in unhinged strangers it is oddly entertaining. So do carry on.
I discern NO sane reason why unvaccinated Mennonites-- or others who resist against the institutionalized-bullying of the Covid-orthodoxy-- would hold a MONOPOLY on culpability-- for the consequences of our actions.

Hold everyone accountable by the same standard. Or, at least, hold each to whatever standard each claims to uphold.

Measure us heretics against the professional medical experts-- and their political allies-- who align-most with Dr. Screwtape. I think there will be less blood on our hands than theirs. And the gap between the moral ideals we espouse-- will be closer to our actual actions, as put into practice.
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And I know I won't see it, but I'd delight in watching Service Dog explain why 4.7 million deaths are not worth anything at all. Certainly not him rolling up a sleeve and getting a vaccine. Cunt.
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On the back-- a short message, just a couple of sentences. I don't know why she chose to send word in this manner.





Two months ago-- I wrote about Agent Orange, my father being drafted to Vietnam, his exposure, & subsequent liver cancer. Also included: highlights from the US Govt's shifting & incomplete acknowledgement of their Agent Orange culpability.

I offered that as explanation-- as-to why I resist the Covid Draft.

https://slymepit.com/phpbb/viewtopic.ph ... 34#p504234

The number of US deaths attributed to the Vietnam War-- in the graphic above-- is from a US govt database, with the most-recent entry added in 2008. Additional deaths since-then, such as a form of liver-cancer specific-to exposure to Agent Orange, is not included.

Deaths from war and disease are comparable. Not merely in scale. But also due-to wholesale malpractice by experts and institutions, in both cases.

Lump me in with the Mennonites, fine. On the other side-- I see a rogue's gallery of bunglers, whether they're applying their expertise to Covid, Afghanistan, Censorship, Equal Justice Under The Law, or planning Obama's Birthday Party.

To quote an enlightening, civil exchange between 3FJ & fafnir:

"I am concerned that the current, growing populist revolt against rule by the elite is becoming dangerously anti-science."
"Is it though? It seems more anti-authoritarian to me."

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Steersman wrote: . Rather inconsistent with the 99.997% survival rate that Matt is peddling, but then he seems to have his thumbs, to the elbows, on the scales.
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Steersman wrote: I DID say "contraindicated" - if you got reasons then you're good to go as far as I'm concerned.
For anyone not elderly or health-compromised, the vax is contraindicated. But ultimately, the only reason required is, 'my body, my choice.'
:roll: Typhoid Mary: "my body, my choice"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Mallon
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But the "reasons" of many seem little better than being freaked out at the possiblity of stray keys magnetically sticking to their bodies.
Agit-prop of the Branch Covidians to disparage and gaslight people with legitimate concerns over the unprecedented number and severity of adverse reactions.
No doubt there are such "legitimate concerns". Which kinda pale in comparison to the consequences of not getting the vaccine.
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Stats for New York City say that some 25% of the deaths are those 65 and under. Scaling that to US demographics, I'd guestimate that that is about 2%.
The percentage of total deaths from a given age group is not the same as the fatality rate among that group. Were you aware of that, or just being specious to get a rise out of me?
I said I made a mistake.

But kinda easy to "get a rise out of you" ... ;) Speaking of which, you took something of a shot at Bret Weinstein the other day about his "unorthodox" biological "theories". While there are probably good reasons for that in general, I expect that was somewhat related to his "endorsement" of emergence, a shot which is not particularly credible. ICYMI, you might read up on an early but classic paper which is something of a basic introduction to the concept:

https://cse-robotics.engr.tamu.edu/dshe ... ferent.pdf
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But whatever the percentage, I doubt that that "survival rate" is much consolation to the 716k US dead and their families.
How the hell does it matter whether I get vaxxed now, to a bunch of folks who died because they were old and frail or morbidly obese, and before there was a vax?

This sort of lame sophistry is why I usually don't bother engaging with you.
Of course it doesn't matter much to those who are dead - it was something of a sardonic jest. What DOES matter - to the living - is that the unvaxxed continue to put a disproportionate load on the hospital system and continue to spread the disease around, particularly to the unvaxxed, many of whom are unable to take the vaccine for one reason or another.
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The problem is that the unvaxxed put a serious load on the medical system - which we all depend on - directly by getting sick themselves or indirectly by spreading Covid around.
That's a fabricated, wag-the-dog crisis. The unvaxxed are not overwhelming our health care system. The ICUs are not overflowing. The only shortages come from the thousands of HC workers being fired for not getting the vax.
Really? :roll:

"Alberta's dire COVID-19 situation compared to B.C.'s fourth wave fight"; https://www.citynews1130.com/2021/09/09 ... lizations/
CALGARY — As B.C. faces growing COVID-19 cases in hospitals, Calgary’s medical system is at a “boiling point” as it is overwhelmed by its own unvaccinated patients.

Alberta Health Services (AHS) postponed all scheduled elective surgeries and many outpatient procedures for the remainder of the week in Calgary.

This will allow staff to support intensive care and critical care beds within Calgary. Across the province, hospital capacity is at 87 per cent which means of the 258 intensive care beds available in the province, 147 of them are being used by COVID-19 patients. Of those patients, nearly 90 per cent of them are unvaccinated.

A group of Alberta physicians warned the medical system in the province is on the verge of collapse.
"Idaho Is Rationing Health Care Statewide As It Struggles To Cope With COVID-19"; https://www.npr.org/2021/09/16/10379871 ... s-hospital
BOISE, Idaho (AP) — Idaho public health leaders on Thursday expanded health care rationing statewide amid a massive increase in the number of coronavirus patients requiring hospitalization. ....

Idaho is one of the least vaccinated U.S. states, with only about 40% of its residents fully vaccinated against COVID-19. Only Wyoming and West Virginia have lower vaccination rates. ....

"The situation is dire – we don't have enough resources to adequately treat the patients in our hospitals, whether you are there for COVID-19 or a heart attack or because of a car accident," Idaho Department of Welfare Director Dave Jeppesen said in statement. ....
Google
"covid" "medical system" "ICU"
for other cases.

But where's your evidence for "thousands of HC workers being fired"?

"Why I don't usually bother engaging with you" - you pull claims out of your nether regions, put your thumbs on the scales, and then claim that is gospel truth.
Matt Cavanaugh wrote: As for spread, the vaxxed carry 250x the viral load as do the unvaxxed. And again, if the vax works, the unvaxxed can only spread it to each other.
And that "vaxxed carry 250x the viral load" is a case in point of "nether regions". Where's your evidence that ALL of the vaxxed carry that "250x viral load"? Certainly plausible that some do, but it's also plausible that if those individuals had not been vaccinated then they would have been dead or been carrying an even greater load.

Complicated biology with many factors involved - which I certainly don't claim to know all that there is to know about the topic. But I think you know rather less than I do, and don't show much if any inclination to learn.
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But don't think you help that by making unevidenced claims, particularly those that are contradicted by other evidence:
Among every 100,000 patients who get the vaccine, 1 to 5 will likely develop myocarditis who would not otherwise have developed it, researchers reported based on data from Clalit Health Services, a large Israeli HMO.

That rate is much higher - 11 per 100,000 - among people infected with the coronavirus, they said.
Cherry-picking -- more sophistry from you.
Did or did not that Reuters article say that the rate is higher in those infected and unvaccinated than in those who've been vaccinated? You and many others look rather desperate to defend the anti-vax position when you can't even face such bare and brute facts, when you try to dismiss them as "cherry-picking" and "sophistry".
Matt Cavanaugh wrote: Note I said 'the latest study':
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101 ... 182v1.full

And if the chance of a young healthy man dying of covid is essentially zero, why should he risk any adverse vax reaction?
I see that that article has been "withdrawn":

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101 ... 21262182v2
Our reported incidence appeared vastly inflated by an incorrectly small denominator (ie number of doses administered over the time period of the study). We reviewed the data available at Open Ottawa and found that there had indeed been a major underestimation, with the actual number of administered doses being more than 800,000 (much higher than quoted in the paper).
But apart from that "methodological flaw", I didn't see anything about a comparison between that myocarditis in those who had been vaccinated and those who hadn't been. The statistics are "complicated" and susceptible to various errors and biases, but they're kind of useless unless they're being used to compare the consequences of various policy decisions. Which is what that Reuters article was all about.

As for your "healthy young man" with, presumably, no susceptibilities to the vaccine, why should he risk a 10 to 30 times chance of dying by NOT getting vaccinated?

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nc ... y-age.html
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Not sure how you can reasonably argue that society in general isn't somewhat justified in imposing some restrictions on the latter group.
It's a lie that the unvaxxed pose any threat or cause any harm. That the unvaxxed, covid-recovered with natural immunity are also subjugated to the same punishments, is prove positive that this has nothing to do about 'the science', and everything about conformity and control.
You just said above that "the unvaxxed can only spread it to each other." Which is more or less the case. Don't see how you can argue then that that isn't a case of "posing a threat or causing harm".

Though you may have something of a point about the "covid-recovered". However, that may well be more complicated, costly, and error prone than simply getting the jab. Would be interesting to see if there are any studies on the viability of that.

As for "conformity and control", and as I've said, there may be some justification for that position. However, it seems a lot of it is driven by an ethos of the "last of the rugged individualists", off-grid, and not beholden to any man or beast.

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Service Dog wrote: I'm reading Heinlein's 1942 'Beyond This Horizon' which is similar to Brave New World. Also contains open-carry dueling. & Govt medical ethics, gene manipulation. So it's timely. It interweaves nicely with the posts on this page. But (if i recall the big plot twist coming) it's also an everything-and-the-kitchen-sink book... odd non-sequiturs shoehorned in.
I finished the book.

In some ways-- it was soooo bad. Ayn Rand had nothing on this one-- for flat wooden characters. I found that charming & hilarious, tho.

But... I'm not sure I've ever read a book which aged so well. Thanks to our actual idiotic society stooping to the level depicted in the story.

Magnificent spoilers:

300 years in the future... men preen & paint their nails like drag queens. But, as time converges seemingly-opposite trends: The same men also carry pistols on their belts and duel at the slightest provocation-- a Texan or Floridian or Chicago gangbanger would blush.

The future-economy is pure Modern Monetary Theory... and that's a major plot point. There are several mentions of workers staying home because the Universal Basic Income makes working seem not-worthwhile. heh.

Nearly-everyone goes along-with the government's genetic tampering. But a few people are "Control Naturals" paid a fat income to just keep existing, unmodified.

One character-- falls madly (stiffly, woodenly) in love-- with a delightful young miss. He's ready to re-arrange his whole life around her. Until she SNEEZES. He is appalled. She has "a respiratory illness". How rude! She's one of those fucking Control Naturals! He draws his gun, shooting to kill.

See what I mean? A heavy-handed, subpar scene-- surely starring William Shatner/ whether in Star Trek or The Twilight Zone-- ages impossibly-well in the future years of Twenty Twenty Twenty One.

The books also contains a bunch of mystical mumbo-jumbo which does not bother me at all. Just more delightful silliness.

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Matt Cavanaugh wrote:
Brive1987 wrote:
Matt Cavanaugh wrote: I'd look into that party. Somebody knows more than they're saying.
Its hard to imagine his body is still in the area. But most alternatives challenge Ockham's Razor.

Few of the workers had cars. No one saw him actually leave. But my guess is that he exited town in the boot of a car. Hit and Run or murder.
Occam's calls for the simplest explanation that accounts for all observations. The lack of any trace -- e.g. clothes had he experienced paradoxical undressing -- must be covered by the proposed explanation. We don't know whether he ever walked home that route. Per his 'friends', there's no sighting of him shortly beyond the party house.

I suspect he violated one or both of the rules of Not Ending Up In A World Of Shit:
1) Never go stupid places with stupid people who do stupid things;
2) Never get into a vehicle driven by an unknown person heading to an unknown location.

And then any number of things could've led to his demise, including trying to walk home from much farther. But he's not where they looked.
Having just gone down the rabbit hole of “missing in the winderness” a couple of things seem to recur - when a body is discovered.

1. It’s often in an areas that’s been searched before.
2. It’s typically indicative of bizarre and/or unanticipated behaviour.

A dude will set off in the heat down a 800m sealed wheelchair rated road and be discovered 5 miles away off track.
A young one will walk a defined two day track, hit a storm and then push thru 4km of wild canyon.
Or they’ll sit for days a couple of miles off track, weaken and die - taking years to discover.

Poor decisions, moving off track, bad footwear -> falls, weather, exposure are the trump cards.

I wouldn’t be surprised if he was high, took a trail walk or a creek splash - and is under a log somewhere. True though. No tracks were found. Next best bet is a hit and run and disposal. Sun Peaks isn’t the sort of place people go for adhoc rides at 2:30am in February. A party fracas is conjecture that requires conspiracy so I’d put it number 3 🤷‍♂️

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Matt Cavanaugh wrote: Gladys the Pelican resigns in the face of corruption allegations. Hmm, were her sadistic lockdown measures in part a way to deflect scrutiny? Or is she just a sadist by nature?
Amazing how the high doyen of the evil empire, defying the Prime Minister and fixed on new-nazism, has had to fall on her sword a couple of months shy of life-time benefits (gained after 5 years in office as Premier).

All because her blob of a secret MP boyfriend tried to leverage the 🤮 relationship.

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Gumby wrote:
Lsuoma wrote:
Gumby wrote:
Keating wrote: Guess there was a downside to your new diet after all
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Hey Gumbers!!

Perhaps you could do a funny pic about Brivo's humorous situation?
Hey FT! You know, seems like I haven't done one of my sub-amateur hour shoops in years. I'm not sure I even remember how. What we need is Ape back. Does anyone know how to get in touch with him? I'd love to know how the ol' one eyed bastard is doing.

Brive.
Diet.
Exploding sewer line.

Hmmm.
Ironically, it’s the high fibre, low fat diets that cause offensively large outflows.

18:6 IF coupled to animal based fat/protein produces the minimum of 💩

I can supply photographic context if necessary. 😉

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Gerry Largay survived 26 days when she wandered off the Appalachian Track. Before not surviving. ☠️

Note the search paths and her actual location. This despite her yellow tent.


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Brive1987 wrote:
Matt Cavanaugh wrote: Gladys the Pelican resigns in the face of corruption allegations. Hmm, were her sadistic lockdown measures in part a way to deflect scrutiny? Or is she just a sadist by nature?
Amazing how the high doyen of the evil empire, defying the Prime Minister and fixed on new-nazism, has had to fall on her sword nose a couple of months shy of life-time benefits (gained after 5 years in office as Premier).

All because her blob of a secret MP boyfriend tried to leverage the 🤮 relationship.
FTFY

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Brive1987 wrote: I wouldn’t be surprised if he was high, took a trail walk or a creek splash - and is under a log somewhere. True though. No tracks were found. Next best bet is a hit and run and disposal. Sun Peaks isn’t the sort of place people go for adhoc rides at 2:30am in February. A party fracas is conjecture that requires conspiracy so I’d put it number 3 🤷‍♂️
The party adds variables. People variables. It doesn't have to be that someone murdered or kidnapped him. Did he go to a third party, or off somewhere to do drugs? Have sex? Did he hitch a ride? We don't have any confirmation when or if he actually took that particular route home.

Even if he did, a few miles walk in the dark, when it's -20 and you're almost certainly very inebriated and/or high, poses a high risk of death. If he wandered off, stumbled, then tunneled, they could easily miss him. IDK how far afield they've searched, but along the putative route is probably not where he is.

Michael Bryson is another missing person who I suspect may have traveled to another location with strangers before disappearing. Like Shtuka, he also had friends who really cared a lot.

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Steersman wrote: You may well be right on the "overstating" - lies, damned lies, and statistics. Still, 0.1% mortality rate for under 65s - maybe 150 million in the US - is 150,000. Rather doubt the actual numbers are anywhere close to that given the 40-70% vaccination rate.
0.1% for under 65s? The stat I had was 0.05% for people under 70. It's also deaths "with covid" not deaths "from covid". I really don't know about the claim that only 10% of the "with covid" deaths are also "from covid", but it's certainly less than 100%. 0.05% fatality rate is more of an approximate upper bound of the situation a year ago. I hope we are better at treating it now. If we don't have enough ventilators, then there isn't much excuse. In any case, the odds of somebody who isn't obese, chronically sick, or old dying is tiny.

One funny observation..... you mention 150,000 as the number of deaths in the under 65 age range if everybody became infected under based on this infection fatality rate. 158,926 people in that age range have died "with covid" already:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/119 ... by-age-us/

Maybe that means that almost everybody must have had it and the pandemic is over? Maybe it means there is something wrong in the way deaths are being recorded? I don't know.

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fafnir wrote:
Steersman wrote: You may well be right on the "overstating" - lies, damned lies, and statistics. Still, 0.1% mortality rate for under 65s - maybe 150 million in the US - is 150,000. Rather doubt the actual numbers are anywhere close to that given the 40-70% vaccination rate.
0.1% for under 65s? The stat I had was 0.05% for people under 70. It's also deaths "with covid" not deaths "from covid". I really don't know about the claim that only 10% of the "with covid" deaths are also "from covid", but it's certainly less than 100%. 0.05% fatality rate is more of an approximate upper bound of the situation a year ago. I hope we are better at treating it now. If we don't have enough ventilators, then there isn't much excuse. In any case, the odds of somebody who isn't obese, chronically sick, or old dying is tiny.
As you suggested later, how we calculate these numbers is a bit of a shot in the dark. Very easy to misinterpret the data and reach conclusions that aren't justified.

For example, I see the Worldometer says 44 million cases in the US with 0.72 million dead so that's a fatality rate of about 1.6%. But if we assume the whole population (330 million) have actually been exposed - which I don't think is at all justified - then that's a fatality rate of about 0.2%. Which of course varies by age and health condition:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

But seems to me that that 0.05% rate is masking some aspects that we should be aware of. While I don't have a really good handle on the associated probability calculations - Bayes theorem in particular - it seems useful to partition the population into those who, on being exposed to the virus, require hospitalization and those who don't. Interesting graph from Wikipedia that shows the current level of hospitalizations in the US over a period of a year ending this last March - a peak of about 130,000 in January 2021:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistic ... alizations

Which is maybe not a big deal as there are apparently some million hospital beds in the US. Although different states could have, generally do have, different levels of hospitalization typically dependent on vaccination levels:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/185 ... ince-2001/

However, there's no indication there of the total number of beds that have been occupied to date by Covid patients. Although I remember seeing a statistic that there's a 1 in 5 chance of dying if one is hospitalized for Covid. On the basis of .72 million dead, that works out to about 3.6 million hospital beds taken up by Covid patients. So one might argue that there's 1 chance in 100 of winding up hospitalized for Covid, although that is assuming that all 330 million Americans have been exposed which seems unlikely to the case. But the kicker there is that there seems to be only 1 chance in 20 to 1 chance in 100 of surviving that hospitalization if one hasn't been vaccinated:

https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus- ... 54f5d5e187

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-58545548

Sure, the chances of being hospitalized aren't all that high, though 1 in 100 seems to be poor odds to be risking one's life for. But those are improved substantially by being vaccinated.
fafnir wrote: One funny observation..... you mention 150,000 as the number of deaths in the under 65 age range if everybody became infected under based on this infection fatality rate. 158,926 people in that age range have died "with covid" already:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/119 ... by-age-us/
Another swing and a miss by me? ... ;) But a bit surprised at that, although, if I'd thought about it, I probably shouldn't have been. Maybe all those in that cohort with "pre-existing conditions" have already died so that rate is unlikely to be repeated. But again that seems dependent on a questionable assumption or two, notably that all in that group have either been vaccinated or exposed.
fafnir wrote: Maybe that means that almost everybody must have had it and the pandemic is over? Maybe it means there is something wrong in the way deaths are being recorded? I don't know.
Maybe. I don't know either. Complex phenomenon, but ignoring the science and the biology - as so many insist on doing - isn't helping matters any. Though the nature of flu viruses is that they seem to be continually evolving - hence the necessity for yearly flu shots. We may well have "herd immunity" for the current strains of Covid, but already half-a-dozen strains identified; seems likely that there will be others that we'll have to deal with.

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Have to apologise for trying to defend Walensky. She's now officially a partisan political hack. Guns are a danger to public health and must be addressed. The cynics conjectured that the emasculation of the law was part of a plan to increase the murder rate with the end goal of suddenly noticing it, declaring it an emergency and calling for gun bans. Of course they won't address the real issue of gang violence and handguns, it'll be all about "assault" weapons. It should have dawned on any fair minded person by now that this would be par for the course for the Democrats. Almost everything they do is contra to accepted norms, the law, the constitution and probably the wishes of the majority and it is accompanied by flat out po-faced gaslighting. Somebody in the media said what I've said for a long time now, the Democrats are breaking the system so completely and doing it in everyone's face to demoralise them into no longer caring about the law or accepted standards. And now we are starting to see the Jan 6th story slowly unravel with hints of FBI and Capitol Police facilitation and echoes of the Whitmer kidnap.

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ThreeFlangedJavis wrote: Have to apologise for trying to defend Walensky. She's now officially a partisan political hack. Guns are a danger to public health and must be addressed. The cynics conjectured that the emasculation of the law was part of a plan to increase the murder rate with the end goal of suddenly noticing it, declaring it an emergency and calling for gun bans. Of course they won't address the real issue of gang violence and handguns, it'll be all about "assault" weapons. It should have dawned on any fair minded person by now that this would be par for the course for the Democrats. Almost everything they do is contra to accepted norms, the law, the constitution and probably the wishes of the majority and it is accompanied by flat out po-faced gaslighting. Somebody in the media said what I've said for a long time now, the Democrats are breaking the system so completely and doing it in everyone's face to demoralise them into no longer caring about the law or accepted standards. And now we are starting to see the Jan 6th story slowly unravel with hints of FBI and Capitol Police facilitation and echoes of the Whitmer kidnap.
Apology accepted. Walensky is a fucking cunt political hack. They can try to take my guns out of my cold dead hands! Fucking gun hating ninnies. Gun haters remind me of people who are irrationally scared of spiders. Arachnophobia. What is the word for irrational fear of guns? Glockophobia? Gunophobia? We need a word!

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Hoplophobia.

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Lsuoma wrote: Hoplophobia.
That's a real word. Why don't gun rights supporters use this?

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I found this pretty moving....


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John D wrote:
Lsuoma wrote: Hoplophobia.
That's a real word. Why don't gun rights supporters use this?
It's certainly a thing wrt the AR-15. I think it stems from the then unique profile of the M16 getting associated with the Vietnam War, which was our first 'unjust', wicked, unpopular war. Almost Jungian collective subconscious.

Beyond that, the biggest problem they have with guns are the gun owners. First, for simply being different. (I've had people tell me pickup trucks are "evil.") But more so, for taking personal responsibility for their own safety, instead of self-infantilizing and depending on the nanny state.

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John D wrote: Walensky is a fucking cunt political hack.
CDC director was a big jump for Walensky. But, in exchange for her husband's start-up receiving a big federal grant despite not meeting the typical requirements for that grant, Rochelle was willing to say anything they tell her to.

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Walensky, no beauty, looked familiar to me. Very slight chance we've crossed paths. Took me a while to figure out where I'd seen her before. It's the lipstick:

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Interesting - wonder how Pakistan will view that development.

But, in other news and ICYMI, you in particular might like these:

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02483-w

https://www.washingtonpost.com/s/health ... -vaccines/

The first in particular as it discusses the involvement and claims of one Robert Malone who we've talked about before. Although I haven't read much of either in any great detail.

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Hello lads, saw this and thought of you all:



If she had any self-awareness she might be dangerous.

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And the more things change...


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Matt Cavanaugh wrote:
John D wrote:
Lsuoma wrote: Hoplophobia.
That's a real word. Why don't gun rights supporters use this?
It's certainly a thing wrt the AR-15. I think it stems from the then unique profile of the M16 getting associated with the Vietnam War, which was our first 'unjust', wicked, unpopular war. Almost Jungian collective subconscious.

Beyond that, the biggest problem they have with guns are the gun owners. First, for simply being different. (I've had people tell me pickup trucks are "evil.") But more so, for taking personal responsibility for their own safety, instead of self-infantilizing and depending on the nanny state.
I know people who will not even go into a house where there is a gun.... even if the gun is locked in a safe. I know people who scream and run out of the room if they see a gun. It is more than just an AR-15 fear. Hoplophobia.

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Sulman wrote: And the more things change...

That’s a blast.

Quick skim of her Twitter suggests:
+ she’s 40
+ she’s married (?)
+ she’s moved to a house with a yard
+ she’s still unemployed
+ she’s thankfully childless
+ she’s still awful

Photographed by her partner getting double vaxed for SM while double masked

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Brive1987 wrote:
Sulman wrote: And the more things change...

That’s a blast.

Quick skim of her Twitter suggests:
+ she’s 40
+ she’s married (?)
+ she’s moved to a house with a yard
+ she’s still unemployed
+ she’s thankfully childless
+ she’s still awful

Photographed by her partner getting double vaxed for SM while double masked
She's a former groupie (Skepchick was just groupie girls trying to book cred) turned full-time moocher. There's a whole army of these girls that find awful men that will pay for them. It's sort of disgusting, but it's as old as time. For all that she's still a miserable preachy little bitch.

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PZ is still doing the minimum required to virtue signal. In this case shopping for new clothes.


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Abbie lives on and continues to piss PZ off.

The more things change …


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She didn't start the Slyme Pit. I did! Me!! Lsuoma!!!

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Brive1987 wrote: + she’s married (?)
To her Knight in Shining Apple Salary?

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Lsuoma wrote: She didn't start the Slyme Pit. I did! Me!! Lsuoma!!!
They can't even keep the deranged hate-bloggers straight.

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Seriously, is Beckybooze itching for another fight?


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Matt Cavanaugh wrote:
Brive1987 wrote: + she’s married (?)
To her Knight in Shining Apple Salary?
I saw 2x references to ‘husband’ and 3-4x as many to ‘partner’. Who knows what fantasies are washing thru her empty spaces.

She’s coy now on Twitter re pics of him - in my small sampling - but a fleeting glimpse seemed to be a ‘yes’.

Dog’s still alive.

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This guy is pretty funny and shares my view of movies and TV these days.


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Post apocalyptic wedding


Rare husband reference


From this


To this


Amazing how not having a job and grifting gets you noticed.


She’s in the Oakland Hills

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Something is wrong with this picture. She has no job. I assume she has Patreon income (or the like) because there's no shortage of suckers, so I'm guessing this is her husband's money. Skepchick can't be worth shit.

Because what brave feminist doesn't fight the patriarchy by getting married and living off their husband's money?

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Brive1987 wrote: Who knows what fantasies are washing thru her empty spaces.
Absolutely none of my fantasies involve her empty spaces. And now that Jen is Jeffrey, those thoughts are gone, too.

Dog’s still alive.
That was my next question. Cuz of the 'rona, I haven't been able conduct any #FreeIndie sweeps in ages.

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When I went to buy a new truck earlier this year, I discovered I had a credit score of zero. Meaning I'd had no activity for so long, I'd dropped off the face of the financial Earth. The dealership gal was super nice (and hawt, and a horse owner) so she worked up a financing plan as a first time buyer for the expressed purpose of getting me some credit cred. I told her I had bought new vehicles before, but she said no worries, not with us. I told her I kinda liked zero as it was pristine, so I paid cash.

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You don’t get scored on how quickly you pay utility bills?

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Brive1987 wrote: Gerry Largay survived 26 days when she wandered off the Appalachian Track. Before not surviving. ☠️

Note the search paths and her actual location. This despite her yellow tent.



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I don’t really understand how Gerry remained lost. Assuming she had a map and compass, she must have realised she was heading uphill when she turned left off the track to take a crap.

“All” she had to do was head SW downhill, following any water courses to the main creek. Then if she couldn’t find the track, head north to the pond and locate the track along its southern edge. Tracks can be hard to ID when you hit them perpendicular.

She had 26 days to ponder this. Admittedly I don’t know the exact terrain, but after a couple of days without rescue you need a Plan B.

I suspect she had no idea where she was, didn’t have a compass and only had a guidebook. Still.
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Brive1987 wrote: You don’t get scored on how quickly you pay utility bills?
I have none. I live off the grid.

Is becky in a manic phase?

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Brive1987 wrote: I don’t really understand how Gerry remained lost. Assuming she had a map and compass, she must have realised she was heading uphill when she turned left off the track to take a crap.

If you can't read a map and a compass, don't lose your GPS:
Gerry had somehow lost her GPS tracker that she purchased before her thru-hike sometime on the hike, perhaps leaving it in a hotel room or shelter.

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Gerry’s initial trail companion, Jane Lee, who had hiked much of the trail with Largay before a personal emergency called her away, told wardens that her friend found navigation difficult with a map and compass and sometimes struggled to keep up.
https://www.strangeoutdoors.com/mysteri ... ine-largay



Skip over the pacifist rhetoric, and this story gets to the crux:
Gerry Largay died because she thought her cell phone would save her life.   

When lost, experienced hikers know to follow a brook or stream until it leads to a river or a road.

Largay trained and extensively prepared for her first thru-hike of the A.T, and had completed nearly 1,000 miles before that fateful day. But she didn’t think like a hiker when she got lost. She thought like the person she also was, a suburban housewife with bad cellphone reception, and that’s the way she behaved.

Largay climbed the highest ridge she could in the vicinity, hoping to get better reception, and tried to text for help. Other than periodic attempts to send more texts, there’s little evidence she did much else to signal rescuers during the final three, or possibly four, weeks of her life.   

The cell phone wasn’t an accessory that Largay carried on her journey to occasionally connect with loved ones. It was a crucial tool she used throughout each day to keep her husband, George Largay, appraised of her progress.

“She worked so hard to find cell service, and, not finding it, she had to fall back on survival skills. Which we know weren’t there. It’s heart-wrenching. If she’s just followed one of the friggin’ brooks, she’d have walked right to here. Or to the navy property. Either direction, she’d have been found.”

Gerry was on two powerful anti-anxiety medications [Ativan and Lexapro] when she went missing, and almost certainly suffered the nightmarish effects of abrupt withdrawal when her supply ran out.

Her physician told Warden Phillip Dugas that Largay “had a long term issue with anxiety” and “she would be very susceptible to anxiety and panic” without her meds, especially the Lexapro.

Instead of building a signal fire, Largay wrote text messages and goodbye notes in her journal to loved ones.
https://mainernews.com/the-mystery-of-m ... d-at-last/

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Matt Cavanaugh wrote:
Sun Oct 03, 2021 8:19 pm
Brive1987 wrote: I don’t really understand how Gerry remained lost. Assuming she had a map and compass, she must have realised she was heading uphill when she turned left off the track to take a crap.

If you can't read a map and a compass, don't lose your GPS:
Gerry had somehow lost her GPS tracker that she purchased before her thru-hike sometime on the hike, perhaps leaving it in a hotel room or shelter.

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Gerry’s initial trail companion, Jane Lee, who had hiked much of the trail with Largay before a personal emergency called her away, told wardens that her friend found navigation difficult with a map and compass and sometimes struggled to keep up.
https://www.strangeoutdoors.com/mysteri ... ine-largay



Skip over the pacifist rhetoric, and this story gets to the crux:
Gerry Largay died because she thought her cell phone would save her life.   

When lost, experienced hikers know to follow a brook or stream until it leads to a river or a road.

Largay trained and extensively prepared for her first thru-hike of the A.T, and had completed nearly 1,000 miles before that fateful day. But she didn’t think like a hiker when she got lost. She thought like the person she also was, a suburban housewife with bad cellphone reception, and that’s the way she behaved.

Largay climbed the highest ridge she could in the vicinity, hoping to get better reception, and tried to text for help. Other than periodic attempts to send more texts, there’s little evidence she did much else to signal rescuers during the final three, or possibly four, weeks of her life.   

The cell phone wasn’t an accessory that Largay carried on her journey to occasionally connect with loved ones. It was a crucial tool she used throughout each day to keep her husband, George Largay, appraised of her progress.

“She worked so hard to find cell service, and, not finding it, she had to fall back on survival skills. Which we know weren’t there. It’s heart-wrenching. If she’s just followed one of the friggin’ brooks, she’d have walked right to here. Or to the navy property. Either direction, she’d have been found.”

Gerry was on two powerful anti-anxiety medications [Ativan and Lexapro] when she went missing, and almost certainly suffered the nightmarish effects of abrupt withdrawal when her supply ran out.

Her physician told Warden Phillip Dugas that Largay “had a long term issue with anxiety” and “she would be very susceptible to anxiety and panic” without her meds, especially the Lexapro.

Instead of building a signal fire, Largay wrote text messages and goodbye notes in her journal to loved ones.
https://mainernews.com/the-mystery-of-m ... d-at-last/
Lexapro eh? And. Is Watson manic?

Let me hit two birds with one stone:



Maybe she should do a “Wild” and yellow blaze the PCT. What could go wrong? 🙏

Re Gerry.

I’d forgive her her phone if she had a wet-bag, a decent GPS app (like maps.me) and a recharging pack. But I suspect she predated this? Leaving her GPS device in a hotel AND being an anxious wreak? Meh.

The commentary you provided was just but maybe overstated, I believe there were scorch marks on trees indicating failed efforts at fires and she had stretched her reflective space blanket out between trees as a marker. While embracing the mantra of ‘stay in place’ when lost.

She sounds like the Australian company and battalion officers of 1914/5. They had all the pre-war drills and book-based bullet points down fair and square but absolutely no idea of how to transfer theory into practice.

Oh and she had skipped the map classes as unnecessary. Because clearly war was to be fought on the veldt, in the open desert or on Europe’s rolling hills. Not in some shitty tangle of Turkish/Maine gullies.

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I enjoy listening to Red Ice’s “Flashback Fridays”. Though I seldom finish them.

They help me conceptualise and locate the “beyond the pale” edge of extreme thought. And Lana is relatively hot. In a blonde psycho fashion.

They seem to have evolved their show from wide-reaching conspiracy tales to 2016 era white nationalism to modern day New World Order anti vaccine.

Last night at 3.00am I couldn’t sleep so I put ‘em on. Henrik breathlessly recounted a doctor’s report that under a ‘something something’ microscope the Moderna vax contained tentacle-wielding, self aware life forms that knew they were being observed. Lana bewailed the injection of said “alien” critters. They then laughed at a pro-vaxer who died of COVID.

At which point Imrolled over, went to sleep and had unsettled dreams.

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Matt Cavanaugh wrote: credit score of zero. Meaning I'd had no activity for so long, I'd dropped off the face of the financial Earth.
Me too, last time I checked. I get a couple monthly bills with my name on 'em, but those accounts were originally opened in my ex's name-- in the last millennium? So maybe they're still attached to her credit.

I had a credit card from a local bank, to pay for gasoline when I was 16. A quarter-century later I missed a payment entirely. So I wrote a check large-enough to cover the missed-payment + the next payment. They applied the check to the missed-payment only/ and recorded the next payment as also-missed. Two missed payments in a row = interest rate shot-up to somewhere in the high 20's. I called 'em & they refused to adjust the record or the interest rate in my favor. My status as a lifelong customer had zero pursuasive value, so I closed all my accounts with them.

Moved my money to a community credit union which faced hard times from the dotcom collapse to the 2008 bubble pop. At one point, 4% of all the money on deposit was mine. They lend-against that money, so they invited me to be on the board of directors. Years went by-- I wanted to buy a used van or box truck to move art. My business already existed-- steady revenue-- but I was renting trucks every-time a client hired me. Loan payments would be half van rental price. The credit union said I had zero credit & my years with them also meant nothing. If I recall correctly-- they wanted me to enroll in a 3 month long Small Business course & at the end-- I could apply for a loan. But at the moment, they'd only loan me $2,500. And the vehicle would have to be less than 7 years old. They'd let me finance $30,000 new vehicle, tho. The credit union doesn't know my ex & I split-- so I asked 'em how much she'd be eligible for... since she pays taxes quarterly as a business (teaching yoga). $250,000! Nevermind that her credit card debts piled-up into the $15,000 range every few years/ to be paid-off in one-big gift from me. I borrowed cash for a used van from Fang & paid him off in full in less than 3 months.

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Yesterday I listened to Dave Smith make fun of The Young Turks' Hassan Piker. Piker was ranting in-defense of vax mandates & passports-- and accepting the comparison to China's 'social credit score' system as a good-thing.

Piker said that China's social credit system isn't worse than the US credit score system. "In China you can raise your score by doing community service such as picking up trash. In the US all you can do is Be Rich!"

My opinion of both systems-- is based-on whether you can opt-out.

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Looks like Georgia (for Americans, I mean the country) produced something of value other than … 🤔🤪 Stalin.


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They couldn't even beat 3rd line Russian infantry and some drunk irregulars, I don't think they'll be conquering anywhere soon.

Fit birds, though.

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Brive1987 wrote: Looks like Georgia (for Americans, I mean the country) produced something of value other than … 🤔🤪 Stalin.

These girls sound fantastic! And... nice ass!

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Brive1987 wrote: I believe there were scorch marks on trees indicating failed efforts at fires
Apparently, she tried to set three standing, dead trees on fire, instead of using duff and brush to build a small, smoky fire.

Why these people don't bring whistles along -- three, paced blows is the universal distress signal. SAR would have heard them.

Oh and she had skipped the map classes as unnecessary.
Kinda like how Amelia Earhart couldn't be bothered to learn how to operate the radio.

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