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Post by screwtape » Sat Nov 23, 2019 1:01 pm

No one should be ashamed of liking Kipling. Be it "If..." or "The White Man's Burden", though I prefer the message of Dane-geld. If you want to be gelded, go ahead. Etymology wins.

But back to the original request. I've spent a couple of decades traveling with the Oxford Book of English Verse (the Gardner edition rather than Rumpole's favourite, Quiller-Couch), just because I believed the view of several single-handed mariners that a volume of poetry would entertain for longer than any novel. Having done that, I have so many poems to offer, so I'll start with "To His Coy Mistress" by Andrew Marvell. The very first line was distorted by Heinlein In 'Time Enough for Love'. Here's the whole thing:

Had we but world enough and time,
This coyness, lady, were no crime.
We would sit down, and think which way
To walk, and pass our long love’s day.
Thou by the Indian Ganges’ side
Shouldst rubies find; I by the tide
Of Humber would complain. I would
Love you ten years before the flood,
And you should, if you please, refuse
Till the conversion of the Jews.
My vegetable love should grow
Vaster than empires and more slow;
An hundred years should go to praise
Thine eyes, and on thy forehead gaze;
Two hundred to adore each breast,
But thirty thousand to the rest;
An age at least to every part,
And the last age should show your heart.
For, lady, you deserve this state,
Nor would I love at lower rate.
But at my back I always hear
Time’s wingèd chariot hurrying near;
And yonder all before us lie
Deserts of vast eternity.
Thy beauty shall no more be found;
Nor, in thy marble vault, shall sound
My echoing song; then worms shall try
That long-preserved virginity,
And your quaint honour turn to dust,
And into ashes all my lust;
The grave’s a fine and private place,
But none, I think, do there embrace.
Now therefore, while the youthful hue
Sits on thy skin like morning dew,
And while thy willing soul transpires
At every pore with instant fires,
Now let us sport us while we may,
And now, like amorous birds of prey,
Rather at once our time devour
Than languish in his slow-chapped power.
Let us roll all our strength and all
Our sweetness up into one ball,
And tear our pleasures with rough strife
Through the iron gates of life:
Thus, though we cannot make our sun
Stand still, yet we will make him run.

Marvell wrote:"Vaster than empires and more slow"

"Time’s wingèd chariot"

"The grave’s a fine and private place,
But none, I think, do there embrace."
Those thoughts survive, as they ought. I have more if wanted. Possibly none to do with reasons to abandon virginity, but there you go.

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Post by BoxNDox » Sat Nov 23, 2019 1:09 pm

"Dog," by Lawrence Ferlinghetti
The dog trots freely in the street
and sees reality
and the things he sees
are bigger than himself
and the things he sees
are his reality
Drunks in doorways
Moons on trees
The dog trots freely thru the street
and the things he sees
are smaller than himself
Fish on newsprint
Ants in holes
Chickens in Chinatown windows
their heads a block away
The dog trots freely in the street
and the things he smells
smell something like himself
The dog trots freely in the street
past puddles and babies
cats and cigars
poolrooms and policemen
He doesn't hate cops
He merely has no use for them
and he goes past them
and past the dead cows hung up whole
in front of the San Francisco Meat Market
He would rather eat a tender cow
than a tough policeman
though either might do
And he goes past the Romeo Ravioli Factory
and past Coit's Tower
and past Congressman Doyle of the Unamerican Committee
He's afraid of Coit's Tower
but he's not afraid of Congressman Doyle
although what he hears is very discouraging
very depressing
very absurd
to a sad young dog like himself
to a serious dog like himself
But he has his own free world to live in
His own fleas to eat
He will not be muzzled
Congressman Doyle is just another
fire hydrant
to him
The dog trots freely in the street
and has his own dog's life to live
and to think about
and to reflect upon
touching and tasting and testing everything
investigating everything
without benefit of perjury
a real realist
with a real tale to tell
and a real tail to tell it with
a real live
barking
democratic dog
engaged in real
free enterprise
with something to say
about ontology
something to say
about reality
and how to see it
and how to hear it
with his head cocked sideways
at streetcorners
as if he is just about to have
his picture taken
for Victor Records
listening for
His Master's Voice
and looking
like a living questionmark
into the
great gramophone
of puzzling existence
with its wondrous hollow horn
which always seems
just about to spout forth
some Victorious answer
to everything

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Post by MarcusAu » Sat Nov 23, 2019 2:19 pm

There is a school of thought that says that poetry needs to be read out loud to be fully appreciated...




'The Mad Gardner's Song' or 'This Be The Verse' or 'The Hunting of the Snark' or even something by Robbie Burns (if Scotch doggerel qualifies) - are the sorts of things that float into view when I put the same question to myself.


Walt Whitman has probably seeped into the general conciousness too - though I don't recall reading anything of his directly. Or Beowulf or the Eddas or anything by Brendan Behan either.

In any case it was nice to hear things I didn't expect to hear....


nb I have no particular adversity to Kipling...I just haven't done much of it.

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Post by Service Dog » Sat Nov 23, 2019 2:47 pm

This clip's making headlines...



But this clip is the proof Warren is a truly magnificent moron...


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Post by MarcusAu » Sat Nov 23, 2019 3:10 pm

I can't figure out why this was in my feed...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjUhBVkJoMk

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Post by fuzzy » Sat Nov 23, 2019 4:02 pm

I once asked to young lady what she thought of Kipling, and she replied that she couldn't say because she had never kippled.


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Post by Lsuoma » Sat Nov 23, 2019 5:12 pm

Looks like SCOTUS may get another neocon/neolib - Ginsburg is in hospital with chills.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50534140

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Post by Lsuoma » Sat Nov 23, 2019 5:19 pm

MarcusAu wrote: There is a school of thought that says that poetry needs to be read out loud to be fully appreciated...




'The Mad Gardner's Song' or 'This Be The Verse' or 'The Hunting of the Snark' or even something by Robbie Burns (if Scotch doggerel qualifies) - are the sorts of things that float into view when I put the same question to myself.


Walt Whitman has probably seeped into the general conciousness too - though I don't recall reading anything of his directly. Or Beowulf or the Eddas or anything by Brendan Behan either.

In any case it was nice to hear things I didn't expect to hear....


nb I have no particular adversity to Kipling...I just haven't done much of it.
When I was courting the now-Mrs L I recorded a few love poems to her on CDs (it was a long-distance relationship - 5000 miles, and we only met three times before getting engaged), and this is one of those I put on the CD. Made here hotter 'n a two-dollar pistol, and when we met the next time she jumped my bones like Tessa Sanderson!

Oh, and that Warren "My children went to public schools."? Perhaps she was using the English idiom? She's been Cherokee, so why not a Brit too?

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Post by KiwiInOz » Sat Nov 23, 2019 9:34 pm

Lsuoma wrote: Looks like SCOTUS may get another neocon/neolib - Ginsburg is in hospital with chills.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50534140
They're multiplying.

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Post by GenerallyFading » Sat Nov 23, 2019 11:47 pm

MarcusAu wrote: So does anyone have a favourite poem?

I'm thinking of something off the beaten track - so probably not Kipling or 'The Ballard of Ned Kelly'.

If you have a link to a youtube recital of it, or an alternate downloadable audio file that would be good too.


Not sure it's off the beaten track, but The Windhover is one of my favourites.

As well as :-

Find me a dead cloud and a sharp piece of science
I want to see the skeleton of weather
And let me map all maps we have mistaken for the world
And learn by heart the timetable of dice
And in our clutching, self-invented steps see
An accidental grace... A choreography - Alan Moore, "Big Numbers"

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Post by MarcusAu » Sun Nov 24, 2019 12:58 am

KiwiInOz wrote: They're multiplying.
Come on Kiwi - I was expecting a recommendation from Barry Crump, or Sam Hunt or (if you really must) Katherine Mansfiled.

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Post by Bhurzum » Sun Nov 24, 2019 1:57 am

No comment...


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Post by screwtape » Sun Nov 24, 2019 6:02 am

Gifts, by James Thomson is a slightly trite bit of Victorian tat, but I like it nonetheless. One verse was hung up as a pokerwork plaque in my old pipemaker's shop (G.W.Sim of Junction Rd, Tufnell Park) and you can guess which.

GIVE a man a horse he can ride,
Give a man a boat he can sail;
And his rank and wealth, his strength and health,
On sea nor shore shall fail.

Give a man a pipe he can smoke,
Give a man a book he can read:
And his home is bright with a calm delight,
Though the room be poor indeed.

Give a man a girl he can love,
As I, O my love, love thee;
And his heart is great with the pulse of Fate,
At home, on land, on sea.


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Post by Bhurzum » Sun Nov 24, 2019 7:14 am

You bastards talking about poetry and culture and what do I do? Link a foul-mouthed Jock comedian...

https://media.giphy.com/media/gnJgBlPgHtcnS/giphy.gif

Um...I wandered lonely as a cloud?

Too late?

Ah, fuck it!

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Post by Bhurzum » Sun Nov 24, 2019 7:20 am

She looks like a fucking idiot. Senior officers are supposed to set the standards, not drag them into the gutter.

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Post by Matt Cavanaugh » Sun Nov 24, 2019 12:21 pm

Lsuoma wrote:
Sat Nov 23, 2019 5:12 pm
Looks like SCOTUS may get another neocon/neolib - Ginsburg is in hospital with chills.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50534140
She and Breyer, and even the centrist Kennedy, coulda shoulda retired while Dems held the White House and the Senate, but all the lefties thought that when they elected obama, the Thousand Year Reich had begun....

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Post by Matt Cavanaugh » Sun Nov 24, 2019 12:26 pm

That story has something to do about a dyke that caved in, amirite?

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Post by KiwiInOz » Sun Nov 24, 2019 2:10 pm

MarcusAu wrote:
KiwiInOz wrote: They're multiplying.
Come on Kiwi - I was expecting a recommendation from Barry Crump, or Sam Hunt or (if you really must) Katherine Mansfiled.
Since you're a good keen man:

The End

At the end

I have to move my sight up or down.

The path stops here.

Up is heaven, down is ocean

or, more simply, sky and sea rivalling

in welcome, crying Fly (or Drown) in me.

I have always found it hard to resist an invitation

especially when I have come to a dead end

a

dead

end.

The trees that grow along cliff-faces,

having suffered much from weather, put out thorns

taste of salt

ignore leaf-perm and polish:

hags under matted white hair

parcels of salt with the string tangled;

underneath

thumping the earth with their rebellious root-foot

trying to knock up

peace

out of her deep sleep.

I suppose, here, at the end, if I put out a path upon the air

I could walk on it, continue my life;

a plastic carpet, tight-rope style

but I've nothing beyond the end to hitch it to,

I can't see into the mist around the ocean;

I shall have to change to a bird or a fish.

I can't camp here at the end.

I wouldn't survive

unless returning to a mythical time

I became a tree

toothless with my eyes full of salt spray;

rooted, protesting on the edge of this cliff

- Let me stay!

by Janet Frame

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Post by KiwiInOz » Sun Nov 24, 2019 2:12 pm

Poets by Janet Frame

If poets die young
they bequeath two thirds of their life to the critics
to graze and grow fat in
visionary grass.

If poets die in old age
they live their own lives
they write their own poems
they are their own might-have-been.

Young dead poets are prized comets.
The critics queue with their empty wagons ready for hitching.

Old living poets
stay faithfully camouflaged in their own sky.
It may even be forgotten they have been shining for so long.
The reminder comes upon their falling
extinguished into the earth.
The sky is empty, the sun and moon have gone away,
there are not enough street bulbs, glow-worms, fireflies to give light

and for a time it seems there will be no more stars.


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Post by John D » Sun Nov 24, 2019 6:47 pm

I like Bukowski and Ginsberg. These young kids try to perform this style of "beat" poetry and fail!


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Post by free thoughtpolice » Sun Nov 24, 2019 7:58 pm

John D wrote: I like Bukowski and Ginsberg. These young kids try to perform this style of "beat" poetry and fail!

John D wrote: I like Bukowski and Ginsberg. These young kids try to perform this style of "beat" poetry and fail!

I think the beginning of downfall of our society was the beatniks.

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Post by MarcusAu » Mon Nov 25, 2019 1:13 am

Thank you all.

Though maybe I should have started a separate thread for this.

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Post by Bhurzum » Mon Nov 25, 2019 3:56 am

John D wrote: I like Bukowski and Ginsberg.
I could be wrong but I *think* Ginsberg can be heard on this iconic track...


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Post by ConcentratedH2O, OM » Mon Nov 25, 2019 3:59 am

It's not the cough that carries you off,
It's the coffin they carry you off in.

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Post by Really? » Mon Nov 25, 2019 4:37 am

MarcusAu wrote:
Thu Nov 21, 2019 11:37 pm
Service Dog wrote: I'm a connoisseur of cringe & Dave Silverman is a master chef,
In that case - face it tiger, you just hit the jackpot...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soh_IbDBke0


I haven't listened to the whole thing...yet (if ever) - but if you skip around a bit you will find some arguments against rehabilitating Silverman that are (I hope) unique in their degree of cogency.

And to anyone else already fed up to the back teeth of this particular topic - there will be another one along in a minute.
The anti-Silverman woman starts crying at 25:40. She gets shouty and angry a lot after that. A great listen for any man who wants to remember what it is like to have a wife yell at them.

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Post by katamari Damassi » Mon Nov 25, 2019 6:52 am

Really? wrote:
Mon Nov 25, 2019 4:37 am

The anti-Silverman woman starts crying at 25:40. She gets shouty and angry a lot after that. A great listen for any man who wants to remember what it is like to have a wife yell at them.
She does women no favors by being hyper-emotional, and demanding that emotions trump due process and evidence. She also deploys the "women don't make false accusations" shibboleth.

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Post by katamari Damassi » Mon Nov 25, 2019 7:23 am

Any scuba divers out there? I'm certified but haven't dove in years. I recently bought my husband a full face mask as a gift. He insists that he can't use it because it requires a new bc, gauge, air hose, etc. Web searches haven't helped me verify this. Anyone here know?

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Post by Driftless » Mon Nov 25, 2019 11:07 am

katamari Damassi wrote:
Really? wrote:
Mon Nov 25, 2019 4:37 am

The anti-Silverman woman starts crying at 25:40. She gets shouty and angry a lot after that. A great listen for any man who wants to remember what it is like to have a wife yell at them.
She does women no favors by being hyper-emotional, and demanding that emotions trump due process and evidence. She also deploys the "women don't make false accusations" shibboleth.
And her point seems to be that there should be social consequences for being accused of rape. Not for being a rapist, just for being accused. The podcast guy seemed to allow her to equate being accused of rape with being a rapist. I think that people like her want a way to silence people, and if they can get everyone to agree that being accused of rape makes someone a pariah then they will have their weapon.

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Post by Really? » Mon Nov 25, 2019 11:49 am

Driftless wrote:
katamari Damassi wrote:
Really? wrote:
Mon Nov 25, 2019 4:37 am

The anti-Silverman woman starts crying at 25:40. She gets shouty and angry a lot after that. A great listen for any man who wants to remember what it is like to have a wife yell at them.
She does women no favors by being hyper-emotional, and demanding that emotions trump due process and evidence. She also deploys the "women don't make false accusations" shibboleth.
And her point seems to be that there should be social consequences for being accused of rape. Not for being a rapist, just for being accused. The podcast guy seemed to allow her to equate being accused of rape with being a rapist. I think that people like her want a way to silence people, and if they can get everyone to agree that being accused of rape makes someone a pariah then they will have their weapon.
In spite of her protestations to the contrary, I don't think she draws much of a distinction between "accused rapist" and "rapist." She even pulled that "credibly accused" shit. Was she willing to list any accused skeptics whom she thought innocent? No. (If only someone could ask her about the accusation against Peezus.)

Who wants to know more about Felicia Entwistle? I did, so I looked her up. She actually does a skeptics podcast called--

You know what? I should just cut right to the chase. Here she is.





The same guy put up twenty of these vids.

I think this video tells you all you need to know about her and her contributions to critical thinking and skepticism...
On this week's secret patron show, X and Felicia talk about a handful of super cringy Neckbeards that attempted to garner the attention of females of the species and failed HARDCORE. We're having a bit of fun this time around, so come join us as we laugh at the most epic fails of fedora doffing white knights who think that being nice earns them intercourse.


But let's remember the good times...


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Post by Matt Cavanaugh » Mon Nov 25, 2019 2:06 pm

Wow. Beautiful and talented.

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Post by Bhurzum » Mon Nov 25, 2019 4:11 pm

Really? wrote: Who wants to know more about Felicia Entwistle?
https://media1.tenor.com/images/1f004f0 ... id=3585021

Fat skank probably has an arsehole like a glazed donut.

Not for me, chef, I'm full!

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Post by John D » Mon Nov 25, 2019 6:17 pm

This is really pretty good.

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Post by free thoughtpolice » Mon Nov 25, 2019 7:14 pm

The new Motown Vibe

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Post by Matt Cavanaugh » Mon Nov 25, 2019 8:20 pm

The spirit of Motown is alive and well.


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Post by screwtape » Tue Nov 26, 2019 4:49 am

Really? wrote:

Methinks I see some manspreading, and with no excuse for it either. Though maybe she has an invisible scrotum with elephantiasis.

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Post by screwtape » Tue Nov 26, 2019 4:57 am

Though if you are looking for a woman with real (metaphorical) balls, I've been enjoying Posie Parker's YouTube channel.

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Post by Lsuoma » Tue Nov 26, 2019 6:34 am

Met Superintendent convicted of possessing child abuse video sent by social worker sibling. 200 hours community service.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-50558756

She's black, too.

Anyone else think someone would get such a light sentence if they didn't hit all three marks (black, woman, cozzer)? :think: :think: :think:

No, me either... :whistle: :whistle: :whistle:

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Post by Brive1987 » Tue Nov 26, 2019 2:41 pm

SMH economics writer succinctly documents what I have been complaining about for the past year or so.

https://www.smh.com.au/business/the-eco ... 53e5e.html
In 2000, the Australian Bureau of Statistics projected that our population wouldn’t reach 25.4 million until 2051. We got there this year. Our population is growing much faster than other developed countries’ are.

The growth in our economy has been so weak over the past year that they’ve had to stop saying it, but for years our politicians boasted about how much faster our economy was growing than the other economies.

What they invariably failed to mention was that most of our faster growth was explained by our faster-growing population, not our increasing prosperity. Over the year to June, for instance, real gross domestic product grew by (a pathetic) 1.4 per cent, whereas GDP per person actually fell by 0.2 per cent.

That’s telling us that, despite the growth in the economy, on average our material standard of living is stagnant. All that immigration isn’t making the rest of us any better off in monetary terms.

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Post by free thoughtpolice » Tue Nov 26, 2019 2:42 pm

Sad news.Dr. Richard carrier PhD has dropped his lol suit against PZ and his merry band of baboons, and this time it looks for real.
http://archive.is/tntye

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Post by Brive1987 » Tue Nov 26, 2019 2:51 pm

free thoughtpolice wrote:
Tue Nov 26, 2019 2:42 pm
Sad news.Dr. Richard carrier PhD has dropped his lol suit against PZ and his merry band of baboons, and this time it looks for real.
http://archive.is/tntye
Meh, he was never going to win. The question was how long would he make PZ (et al) bleed?

Three years deserves the Cross of Iron. :clap:

Based on PZ’s post, significant mental and financial attrition was enacted.

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Post by Keating » Tue Nov 26, 2019 4:10 pm

Brive1987 wrote: SMH economics writer succinctly documents what I have been complaining about for the past year or so.
Not just you.

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Post by Matt Cavanaugh » Tue Nov 26, 2019 4:27 pm

Andy Ngo suspended by Twatter for "hateful speech", i.e., stating facts about tranny murders:

https://thefederalist.com/2019/11/25/tw ... s-murders/

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Post by Lsuoma » Tue Nov 26, 2019 7:26 pm

So, the front wheels are criticising Corbyn for anti-semitism, and the goat fuckers are accusing Tories of islamophobia.

What a crack, eh?

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Post by Keating » Tue Nov 26, 2019 7:31 pm

This is perfect ground for a misanthrope to come out and say they'll just nuke the middle east indiscriminately.

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Post by free thoughtpolice » Tue Nov 26, 2019 7:40 pm

A thanksgiving turkey that should not be pardoned .
https://thebulwark.com/trumps-turkey-co ... u-realize/

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Post by MarcusAu » Tue Nov 26, 2019 11:42 pm

Has anyone given much consideration to the case against reality?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dd6CQCbk2ro

It seems to be rehabilitating dualism. At around 30 minutes in Hoffman states that he does not believe that consciousness could develop from non-conscious elements. So it seems there is real hope for those looking to reintegrate science and spiritualism (or perhaps even religion).

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Post by ConcentratedH2O, OM » Wed Nov 27, 2019 2:45 am

Lsuoma wrote: So, the front wheels are criticising Corbyn for anti-semitism, and the goat fuckers are accusing Tories of islamophobia.

What a crack, eh?
Elsewhere, it is apparently racist for a black police officer to be convicted of having child pr0n0graphay on her phone (which she admits she had).

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Post by Hunt » Wed Nov 27, 2019 3:57 am

Brive1987 wrote:
free thoughtpolice wrote:
Tue Nov 26, 2019 2:42 pm
Sad news.Dr. Richard carrier PhD has dropped his lol suit against PZ and his merry band of baboons, and this time it looks for real.
http://archive.is/tntye
Meh, he was never going to win. The question was how long would he make PZ (et al) bleed?

Three years deserves the Cross of Iron. :clap:

Based on PZ’s post, significant mental and financial attrition was enacted.
PZ's high school level celebration victory dance notwithstanding, an unequivocal victory would mean all legal bills paid by the other party, which doesn't happen under this deal. Basically this means both sides want out and don't wanna fight no more. Despite the rhetoric this is a scratch for both sides.


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Post by ThreeFlangedJavis » Wed Nov 27, 2019 4:52 am

MarcusAu wrote:
Tue Nov 26, 2019 11:42 pm
Has anyone given much consideration to the case against reality?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dd6CQCbk2ro

It seems to be rehabilitating dualism. At around 30 minutes in Hoffman states that he does not believe that consciousness could develop from non-conscious elements. So it seems there is real hope for those looking to reintegrate science and spiritualism (or perhaps even religion).
Dubious. He's talking about developing theories of phenomena that only exist in his speculative model. Sounds like Scientology with more maths. It is difficult to see the need for conscious agents to piss around manifesting microbes and then slowly manifesting ever more sophisticated meatpuppets. Don't see the nee to take it seriously at this point.

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Post by Lsuoma » Wed Nov 27, 2019 6:35 am

ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:
Lsuoma wrote: So, the front wheels are criticising Corbyn for anti-semitism, and the goat fuckers are accusing Tories of islamophobia.

What a crack, eh?
Elsewhere, it is apparently racist for a black police officer to be convicted of having child pr0n0graphay on her phone (which she admits she had).
I posted that yesterday - at least she got the phenomenally tough sentence on 200 hours community service!

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Post by MarcusAu » Wed Nov 27, 2019 6:55 am

Six hundred? Sounds like they are over charging.

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Post by John D » Wed Nov 27, 2019 7:10 am

Sacha Baron Cohen, the original and most offensive troll in history wants to make sure social media gets rid of trolls. The ADL is lost. It is turning itself into a joke.... like the SPLC. A bunch of leftisit saying things for other leftisits.


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Post by Matt Cavanaugh » Wed Nov 27, 2019 10:49 am

Mike Bloomberg, latest entrant to the Dem primary, he of the giant soda drink ban, thinks the US needs “an awful lot more immigrants":
“We need immigrants to take all the different kinds of jobs that the country needs — improve our culture, our cuisine, our religion, our dialogue and certainly improve our economy....”
Because illiterate peasants who beat their wives and their animals, bulk up on carbs, and perform nails-through-the-palms reenactments of the Easter Passion, are just the ones to improve all that.

https://tucson.com/news/national/govt-a ... 508e1.html`

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Post by KiwiInOz » Wed Nov 27, 2019 1:13 pm

MarcusAu wrote:
Six hundred? Sounds like they are over charging.
Definitely. They could have got Spartans to do the job for half price.

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Post by KiwiInOz » Wed Nov 27, 2019 1:13 pm

MarcusAu wrote: Has anyone given much consideration to the case against reality?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dd6CQCbk2ro

It seems to be rehabilitating dualism. At around 30 minutes in Hoffman states that he does not believe that consciousness could develop from non-conscious elements. So it seems there is real hope for those looking to reintegrate science and spiritualism (or perhaps even religion).
Reality is suspended until further notice.


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Post by Service Dog » Wed Nov 27, 2019 8:45 pm

BBC - Culture - The 100 greatest films directed by women...

Oh Mah Gawd. Talk about 'damning with faint praise'. What a weak list. Some of my favorite films are on there--
Fast Times At Ridgemont High, Paris Is Burning... hmm... they overlooked Penelope Spheris. No Cassie Jaye 'The Red Pill'!! haw!

Man, not that Point Break isn't great... but 5 Katherine Bigelow movies listed?
6 Agnes Varda movies.

Aaaaaannnnd...

35. The Matrix (Lana and Lilly Wachowski, 1999)

45. Triumph of the Will (Leni Riefenstahl, 1935)

what else?...

40. Boys Don’t Cry (Kimberly Peirce, 1999)

...yeah-- that film about an adult 'man' who impersonated being a high school cis-boy to decieve & statutory-rape multiple schoolgirls.

Y'know who-else was ROBBED?!!: Directors Belladonna, Lisa Ann... and & STORMY DANIELS (winner of the 2006 TriplePlayAward for Dancing/Performing/Directing, 90 directorial credits, including 'Sex Door Neighbors', and 'T.I.T.S. - Bouncing Above The Law')

http://www.bbc.com/culture/story/201911 ... women-poll

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