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Post by John D » Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:39 am

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Keating wrote: Just finished watching Peter Jackson's They Shall Not Grow Old documentary. Very moving. 'Enjoy' is the wrong word, but it did hold your attention.
I saw it in the theaters, which included 30 minutes afterward of Jackson describing how the film was made. He mentions one clip of a group of soldiers in a sunken road. All of them had panic on their faces, especially the one in the forefront. They were about to go over and Jackson says the entire regt was wiped out. Had that one tommy's face in my head for days.

Seeing MIDWAY tomorrow with the GF. Critics' reviews tend to find it hokey and jingoistic, viewers' reviews love it. we shall see.

The 'teaser trailer', which feels like for a horror movie, kicks ass:

Shit! I really wanted to like this movie... but... the history buff and engineer in me finds it to be unwatchable. I guess most movies have to have totally unrealistic battle scenes because everyone is watching fucking video games... and need a kind of spastic physical world. The planes pitch and turn at ridiculous rates.... they dive within a foot of their target (even flying under the tops of palm trees down a street). The density of the flack and the tracers is insane. It is all so comic that it makes me laugh. To bad. I loved Dunkirk.

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Post by Matt Cavanaugh » Sat Nov 09, 2019 12:45 pm

John D wrote: Shit! I really wanted to like this movie... but... the history buff and engineer in me finds it to be unwatchable. I guess most movies have to have totally unrealistic battle scenes because everyone is watching fucking video games... and need a kind of spastic physical world. The planes pitch and turn at ridiculous rates.... they dive within a foot of their target (even flying under the tops of palm trees down a street). The density of the flack and the tracers is insane. It is all so comic that it makes me laugh. To bad. I loved Dunkirk.
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Post by screwtape » Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:07 pm

In re military memoirs: I may have mentioned these recommendations before, but even if I did, they bear repeating. The best book about WW1 flying is a novel by a Camel pilot who was actually there in 46 Sqdn, Victor Yeates. The book is Winged Victory, and there isn't really anything like it. Even the foreword, written by the much discredited Henry Williamson*, is a wonderful illustration of Yeates' ability to grip the reader with the lines of a simple letter. His flight leader ('Mac') was Donald MacLaren, a far better candidate for Canadian glory than the likely fraudulent Billy Bishop. Yeates describes authentically all the aerodynamic quirks of the Camel, the nature of daily patrols over the lines in 1918, all the slang of the era (which has no translation in the book: ask me if you read it and don't understand), and the effects on each and every pilot of life under the circumstances resulting in 'Flying Sickness D' (which might have meant the TB from which Yeates died, the later descriptor 'Lack of Moral Fibre' or simply whatever current diagnosis was used for those who had had enough of war, be it shell shock, combat fatigue or PTSD). The book stands up as a worthwhile novel as well as a historical novel, or as a memoir. I wish I could write like that.

Two other writers were there too, and wrote about it, but they don't quite achieve the accurate pathos of Yeates, Duncan Grinnell-Milne wrote about his experiences in The Wind in the Wires, but only out of print copies available, and Cecil Lewis (not C.S.Lewis!) did something like it with Sagittarius Rising. All well worth a read, and even chasing down out of print copies.

*Williamson was the creator of Tarka the Otter, and later was faulted for his sympathies for Hitler and Mosely. He was so impressed with Yeates that the character in Winged Victory 'Tom Cundall' was present in his novel series 'A Chronicle of Ancient Sunlight' and Yeates, in return, named the secondary character in Winged Victory 'Williamson'.

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Post by Lsuoma » Sat Nov 09, 2019 5:19 pm

screwtape wrote: In re military memoirs: I may have mentioned these recommendations before, but even if I did, they bear repeating. The best book about WW1 flying is a novel by a Camel pilot who was actually there in 46 Sqdn, Victor Yeates. The book is Winged Victory, and there isn't really anything like it. Even the foreword, written by the much discredited Henry Williamson*, is a wonderful illustration of Yeates' ability to grip the reader with the lines of a simple letter. His flight leader ('Mac') was Donald MacLaren, a far better candidate for Canadian glory than the likely fraudulent Billy Bishop. Yeates describes authentically all the aerodynamic quirks of the Camel, the nature of daily patrols over the lines in 1918, all the slang of the era (which has no translation in the book: ask me if you read it and don't understand), and the effects on each and every pilot of life under the circumstances resulting in 'Flying Sickness D' (which might have meant the TB from which Yeates died, the later descriptor 'Lack of Moral Fibre' or simply whatever current diagnosis was used for those who had had enough of war, be it shell shock, combat fatigue or PTSD). The book stands up as a worthwhile novel as well as a historical novel, or as a memoir. I wish I could write like that.

Two other writers were there too, and wrote about it, but they don't quite achieve the accurate pathos of Yeates, Duncan Grinnell-Milne wrote about his experiences in The Wind in the Wires, but only out of print copies available, and Cecil Lewis (not C.S.Lewis!) did something like it with Sagittarius Rising. All well worth a read, and even chasing down out of print copies.

*Williamson was the creator of Tarka the Otter, and later was faulted for his sympathies for Hitler and Mosely. He was so impressed with Yeates that the character in Winged Victory 'Tom Cundall' was present in his novel series 'A Chronicle of Ancient Sunlight' and Yeates, in return, named the secondary character in Winged Victory 'Williamson'.
Agree on all these, especially "Sagittarius Rising".

My favorite memoir of all, though, is "Undertones of War" by Edmund Blunden.

Graves' "Goodbye to all That" was, until recently, only available in the later, sanitized-to-avoid-libel-suits edition, but the original edition is now available. Both editions have a fair degree of exaggeration - Graves openly stated that he wrote it to make a lot of money, and, as Spike MIlligan put it, he "jazzed it up a little." Storm of Steel by Ernst Jünger is a great memoir from the Hun perspective, while Under Fire by Henri Barbusse rounds out the Western Front experience by presenting a Froggie viewpoint.

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Post by BoxNDox » Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:49 pm

screwtape wrote: In re military memoirs: I may have mentioned these recommendations before, but even if I did, they bear repeating. The best book about WW1 flying is a novel by a Camel pilot who was actually there in 46 Sqdn, Victor Yeates. The book is Winged Victory, and there isn't really anything like it. Even the foreword, written by the much discredited Henry Williamson*, is a wonderful illustration of Yeates' ability to grip the reader with the lines of a simple letter. His flight leader ('Mac') was Donald MacLaren, a far better candidate for Canadian glory than the likely fraudulent Billy Bishop. Yeates describes authentically all the aerodynamic quirks of the Camel, the nature of daily patrols over the lines in 1918, all the slang of the era (which has no translation in the book: ask me if you read it and don't understand), and the effects on each and every pilot of life under the circumstances resulting in 'Flying Sickness D' (which might have meant the TB from which Yeates died, the later descriptor 'Lack of Moral Fibre' or simply whatever current diagnosis was used for those who had had enough of war, be it shell shock, combat fatigue or PTSD). The book stands up as a worthwhile novel as well as a historical novel, or as a memoir. I wish I could write like that.

Two other writers were there too, and wrote about it, but they don't quite achieve the accurate pathos of Yeates, Duncan Grinnell-Milne wrote about his experiences in The Wind in the Wires, but only out of print copies available, and Cecil Lewis (not C.S.Lewis!) did something like it with Sagittarius Rising. All well worth a read, and even chasing down out of print copies.

*Williamson was the creator of Tarka the Otter, and later was faulted for his sympathies for Hitler and Mosely. He was so impressed with Yeates that the character in Winged Victory 'Tom Cundall' was present in his novel series 'A Chronicle of Ancient Sunlight' and Yeates, in return, named the secondary character in Winged Victory 'Williamson'.
Gustav Hasford's The Short-Timers is my personal favorite. Full Metal Jacket is based on it, but it's really quite different from the movie.

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Post by Bhurzum » Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:09 pm

This is a pretty good read:

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com ... 3,200_.jpg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Forgotten_Soldier

Careful though, it might turn you into a nazi... ;)

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Post by Bhurzum » Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:30 pm

Donkular is up to his old tricks...



The backlash in the thread is quite amusing and will probably burn for a few days.

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Post by Pseudomonas » Sun Nov 10, 2019 2:08 am

Lsuoma wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:07 am
Looks like NSW is getting Fd in the A:

https://firms.modaps.eosdis.nasa.gov/ma ... ms_modis_t
For a more up to date map of what's burned, try https://www.rfs.nsw.gov.au/fire-informa ... s-near-me . Unfortunately, the Queensland RFS map just gives the fire locations, not areas burnt, but we're copping it too.

And the Greater Sydney and Greater Hunter regions will hit 'Catastrophic' fire danger on Tuesday.

Catastrophic Fire Danger:

"For your survival, leaving early is the only option.
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Homes are not designed to withstand fires in catastrophic conditions so you should leave early."

Basically, run away, because there's FA chance of stopping a fire when it gets going.

Brisbane only gets to 'Severe', two below Catastrophic over the next four days of forecasts.

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Post by BoxNDox » Sun Nov 10, 2019 7:55 am

How the Insufferably Woke Help Trump - Democrats are insulting and condescending to the swing-state voters they need the most.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/08/opin ... trump.html

Some insight, but fails at the end:
Save the piety, the circular firing squad, the shaming on social media for after the election.
An actual attitude adjustment is required. Trying to hide your contempt isn't going to work, because people see through that in a flash.

The woke aren't as smart as they think, and the unwoke aren't as dumb as the woke believe.

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Post by Lsuoma » Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:13 am

Pseudomonas wrote:
Catastrophic Fire Danger:

"For your survival, leaving early is the only option.
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Homes are not designed to withstand fires in catastrophic conditions so you should leave early."

Basically, run away, because there's FA chance of stopping a fire when it gets going.


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Post by Matt Cavanaugh » Sun Nov 10, 2019 12:33 pm

Bhurzum wrote: This is a pretty good read:

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com ... 3,200_.jpg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Forgotten_Soldier

Careful though, it might turn you into a nazi... ;)
Damn. My french exchange family recommended that to me in the Paris airport as airplane reading on my way home when I was 14. Blew me away. Ever since, I keep two copies so I have one to give away because I've given away dozens and everyone I give it -- including several girlfriends and the latest my brother-in-law last xmas -- to ends up raving and recommending it to others.

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Post by ConcentratedH2O, OM » Sun Nov 10, 2019 2:22 pm

Bhurzum wrote: This is a pretty good read:

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com ... 3,200_.jpg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Forgotten_Soldier

Careful though, it might turn you into a nazi... ;)
Wasn't that decided years ago to be pretty much confected from boyish dreams of war?

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Post by Brive1987 » Sun Nov 10, 2019 11:17 pm

NSW.

Sometimes you have to burn the town to save it.


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Post by Brive1987 » Mon Nov 11, 2019 1:53 am

YouTube is wiping out, without pre-warning, any video referencing the whistle-blowers name. The one previously spread thru MSM. The now public figure. The dude at the centre of the current biggest story.

Cause that’s useful and appropriate for a platform rather than a publisher ....

Matt and Blonde had their Wednesday show nuked into perma-private mode. So they came back today with a ‘xxxx is not the whistler-blower’ tee shirt and fan picture background.

And got nuked 20 mins in.

They came back on a backup, continued their defiance and so far still draw breath.

https://i.imgur.com/qCsIuEn.jpg

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Post by Bhurzum » Mon Nov 11, 2019 2:13 am

ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote: Wasn't that decided years ago to be pretty much confected from boyish dreams of war?
No idea although I've read conflicting opinions on the events in the book. All I know is it's a gripping read and very accurately describes the mindset of a soldier.

Have you read it?

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Post by Service Dog » Mon Nov 11, 2019 6:15 am

It's pretty-crazy that Boomer Schiff released a hearing transcript, failing to redact Ciaramella's name, then, that-night, removed the posted transcript.

Quite similar to Boomer Giuliani butt-dialing a journalist-- talking about how someone named "Charles" doesn't have a strong fraud case/ because Charles didn't do due-dilligence. What's that about? Well... Giuliani's cronies are accused of ripping-off a guy named Charles-- for a half-million dollars-- in a fraudulent investment scheme.
Also-- more Boomer-dom-- a millennial instagram-influencer wannabe-reality-tv pot-vendor... appears to be a central figure in Giuliani being exposed:
https://www.salon.com/2019/11/10/who-is ... -identity/

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Post by ThreeFlangedJavis » Mon Nov 11, 2019 6:19 am

Brive1987 wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 1:53 am
YouTube is wiping out, without pre-warning, any video referencing the whistle-blowers name. The one previously spread thru MSM. The now public figure. The dude at the centre of the current biggest story.

Cause that’s useful and appropriate for a platform rather than a publisher ....

Matt and Blonde had their Wednesday show nuked into perma-private mode. So they came back today with a ‘xxxx is not the whistler-blower’ tee shirt and fan picture background.

And got nuked 20 mins in.

They came back on a backup, continued their defiance and so far still draw breath.

https://i.imgur.com/qCsIuEn.jpg
It doesn't make much sense does it. If I had to guess I'd say it was because the whistleblower has a partisan history (which is true) and/or it's an attempt to maintain the threat narrative as in he's in physical danger from the evil Trumpers.

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Post by screwtape » Mon Nov 11, 2019 2:13 pm

One has a little hope again:


It's hard to get over prejudices. I don't care for Farage, who comes across as the classic sheepskin-coated secondhand car salesman. On the other hand, I don't see anything worthwhile for the UK if there is any form of pseudo-Brexit , so I have to applaud him for doing this.

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Post by Matt Cavanaugh » Mon Nov 11, 2019 3:00 pm

ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote: Wasn't that decided years ago to be pretty much confected from boyish dreams of war?
I'm pretty sure the Germans actually advanced into the Don basin in 1942.

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Post by Matt Cavanaugh » Mon Nov 11, 2019 3:44 pm

My report on MIDWAY:

[MILD SPOILERS]

About 80% satisfied.

Hardly any sappy or hokey moments, and that mostly justifiable exposition of young men, many with families, going into a very dangerous and likely -- especially that day -- fatal situation. The human element was shown for both Americans and Japanese, sometimes quite subtly yet powerfully. A few muted yet evocative mirroring of Japanese and American experiences and actions. None of the actors portraying the famous commanders go over the top; they do just fine. For better or worse, Yamamoto is depicted as tragic Hamlet type.

Visuals were very striking, especially when contrasting how small the planes were and how big the ships -- and how really big the ocean. The pilots' views of the dive bomb runs were stunning. Overall, SFX were near-perfectly realistic. (My GF asked how the planes taking off were filmed and was shocked when I told her it was all on a computer.)

The storyline kept close to historical events. Begins with Pearl Harbor, which sets the state of mind and strategic situation so Midway can be seen in perspective. IMO, a bit too much time spent on individual sailors at Pearl. Same for the Doolittle raid on Tokyo, though the sight of those B-25s on the carrier deck when no way in hell should they be on a carrier deck, was awesome. (I say this as someone who's been on two carrier decks and recently stood way too close to a taxiing B-25 at an air show.) Fortunately, Aaron Eckhart as Doolittle was not given enough lines for him to turn in his usual clunker of a performance. Dallying on director John Ford's presence on Midway during the battle was a distraction that added nothing.

Despite those complaints above, pacing was good, with sufficient down time interspersed with intense, chaotic battle scenes. (The GF reported extensive goosebumps and sweaty palms from the combat scenes.) The attacks on the first three Japanese carriers is presented near real-time, that is, in about eight minutes, and is just nuts. The decision to omit the attack on Yorktown, however, was puzzling, especially given the time spent on the Tokyo Raid digression. IMO, showing Yorktown's fate would've served as a poignant mirror to that of the Japanese carriers.

Minor quibble: it was impossible to tell who was flying off of which carrier.

Big disappointment: NO WILDCATS. Yes, we get a glimpse of Buffaloes taking off, but otherwise, you'd come away from the film thinking the Americans had no fighter planes in the Pacific that day.

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Post by ConcentratedH2O, OM » Mon Nov 11, 2019 5:25 pm

Bhurzum wrote:
ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote: Wasn't that decided years ago to be pretty much confected from boyish dreams of war?
No idea although I've read conflicting opinions on the events in the book. All I know is it's a gripping read and very accurately describes the mindset of a soldier.

Have you read it?
Yes, quite a few years ago and I loved it. I went through a phase of Sven Hassel, Leo Kessler, and this which I thought was a more autobiographical choice But I read since that it wasn't really his own experiences, which cheapened it a bit for me.

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Post by MarcusAu » Mon Nov 11, 2019 5:51 pm

So about this movie...how does it compare?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CGbpbclYyQ

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